#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-24

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[00:00:17] <Runaway1956> Probably going to need some monster deadmen along the sides of the canal, and monster donkey motors pulling in opposition to straighten it out now
[00:00:55] <Bytram> and what will they use for traction along all that *sand* ??
[00:01:07] <Runaway1956> If that don't work - get a torch and cut it in half
[00:01:30] <FatPhil> if it's beached like a whale ... explosives?
[00:01:55] <Bytram> movie: something the almighty
[00:02:00] <Runaway1956> But, you're not Israeli, are you FatPhil?
[00:02:40] <Bytram> FatPhil: Actuallu, IIRC, that was tried once to utterly disastrous results
[00:02:51] <FatPhil> My brother-in-law has an Israeli passport...
[00:03:14] <FatPhil> Bytram: yes, just make sure it's on video. Disaster = viewing rights = money
[00:03:29] <Runaway1956> That explains it - you caught the blow-things-up virus from your brother-in-law
[00:03:30] <Bytram> Scattered rotting stinking whale carcass all over the place!
[00:03:37] <FatPhil> we're laking about this puppy? https://gcaptain.com
[00:03:38] <systemd> ^ 03Grounded 'Mega Ship' Blocking Suez Canal in Both Directions – gCaptain
[00:03:51] <FatPhil> above URLs don't render anything for me
[00:03:53] <Runaway1956> That's the puppy
[00:04:21] <FatPhil> nice one, looks like quite a big rowing boat - how many slaves does it hold?
[00:04:38] <Runaway1956> Gcaptain.com? Do they study women's G spots?
[00:05:00] <Runaway1956> or just their Gstrings?
[00:05:03] <Ellenor> word
[00:05:12] <Bytram> =g "MV EVER GIVEN"
[00:05:13] <systemd> https://gcaptain.com - Grounded 'Mega Ship' Blocking Suez Canal in Both Directions ...
[00:06:08] <FatPhil> As in: the skipper said, "how many fux were ever given"?
[00:06:42] <Runaway1956> Some of those huge ships have deep drafts, with only a few feet between bottom of ship and bottom of canal at best of times
[00:07:27] <Bytram> https://twitter.com
[00:07:27] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[00:07:33] <FatPhil> "ever given"? photo says "evergreen". Changed owner, minimal repaint?
[00:08:00] <Bytram> name of owner vs name of vessel
[00:08:19] <Bytram> the evergreen line owns the ever given vessel
[00:08:56] <Runaway1956> =g Ever Stuck
[00:08:57] <systemd> https://twitter.com - Harry Styles. en Twitter: "If you ever find yourself stuck in the middle ...
[00:09:22] <FatPhil> =g canal sideways
[00:09:23] <systemd> https://n.neurology.org - Randomized clinical trial for apogeotropic horizontal canal benign ...
[00:09:39] <FatPhil> that's not the hit we get!
[00:09:53] <FatPhil> we get birth canals (and babbies)
[00:10:49] <Bytram> Am looking at a pic and wonering how in the world the captain can even see where s/he is going?!! https://gcaptain.com
[00:10:50] <systemd> ^ 03Grounded 'Mega Ship' Blocking Suez Canal in Both Directions – gCaptain
[00:11:54] <FatPhil> OK, neurology link might be birth canals, apogeotropic could be a property of babbies
[00:12:22] <FatPhil> g/f's bloody correcting my grammar, wants "apogeotropism"
[00:13:06] <Bytram> she's fine, though, with the babbies?
[00:13:25] <FatPhil> babbie free zone
[00:13:38] <FatPhil> don't have'em, don't want'em
[00:14:29] <AzumaHazuki> in a better world i'd have loved one
[00:14:38] <AzumaHazuki> this is no world to be raising children in though
[00:14:50] <FatPhil> wannabreeder!
[00:15:21] <AzumaHazuki> if i were even the least bit bisexual i'd have married a good friend from college and we'd have had, like, 3 daughters by now
[00:15:23] <Runaway1956> I can't explain how they can see either Bytram - that's insane
[00:15:35] <Bytram> better pic of the ship in better times: https://gcaptain.com
[00:16:09] <Bytram> that latter pic seems to be less loaded up, though
[00:18:36] <Bytram> =w MV Ever Given
[00:18:37] <systemd> 7774456 MV Agusta (Italian pronunciation: [ˈɛmme ˈvu a.guː.sta], full name: MV AGUSTA Motor S.p.A., original name: Meccanica Verghera Agusta or MV) is a - https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:18:47] <Bytram> =w "MV Ever Given"
[00:18:47] <systemd> [0 results]
[00:18:54] <Bytram> =w MV "Ever Given"
[00:18:54] <systemd> Peabody Short Line or CofG and its subsidiaries. On December 31, 1925, IC/Y&MV/G&SI operated 6,562 route-miles on 11,030 miles of track; A&V and VS&P added - https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:19:06] <Bytram> nope!
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[00:24:35] <FatPhil> it was just one of those things we both not just agreed on, but has an intrinsic part of our essence. Maybe we're too selfish, or maybe we're not narcissistic enough to want to make mini-mes?
[00:24:54] <Bytram> =g TEU
[00:24:55] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Twenty-foot equivalent unit - Wikipedia
[00:25:09] <AzumaHazuki> maybe you both just realize what a completely Mongolian butter-fried clusterfuck with extra marmot guts the world is and don't want to subject new lives to that?
[00:25:45] <AzumaHazuki> because, aside from the obvious issues of biology, that's sure as hell my reasoning
[00:27:02] * c0lo salivates at the tought of "Mongolian butter-fried clusterfuck with extra marmot guts"
[00:28:50] <FatPhil> that would support our views, but it goes deeper.
[00:28:52] * c0lo smiles of the thought FatPhil would ever consider organizing his and his g/f life based on considerations applicable to the whole world
[00:30:15] <FatPhil> I reckon I'm in a less clusterfuck part of the world than 99%+ of it ATM, so it's definitely more than world clusterfuck that's stopping us.
[00:30:55] <FatPhil> Did you see the world education levels 2020 tables - we were 5th, 5th, and 7th, IIRC
[00:31:57] <FatPhil> My sister says I'm a fantastic uncle too, it's not that I hate all children viscerally.
[00:32:11] <AzumaHazuki> for my part...i've seen too many children suffering poverty right here in the US and even went through some of that myself. and i can only imagine things are going to get worse
[00:32:25] <AzumaHazuki> Lisa's reasoning is similar, with a dash of "I'd be a terrible mother"
[00:32:53] <AzumaHazuki> then there's all the environmental knock-on effects, the fact that it becomes far more expensive just to live and get housing...
[00:35:01] <FatPhil> I'm not a big charity giver, but almost every donation I've made in the last 10 years has been to childrens/orphans homes, I like the idea of all people being given equal opportunities to make something of their life and find their calling.
[00:35:25] <FatPhil> that's partially selfish - I will want people who speak good english wiping my arse when I'm 80
[00:35:40] <FatPhil> not that I will necessarily be in Estonia still
[00:35:45] <FatPhil> ut I might
[00:36:01] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil: but butbutbutbut that's not equality of opportunity, that's sOcIaLIaM!!11one! Let the little anklebiters forage for their own food as soon as they plop out of the womb, like Rand intended
[00:38:51] <FatPhil> Not socialism - every time I buy something on the local auction site, I give a donation to a local home.
[00:39:14] <FatPhil> the govt ain't taking anuything from me that I'm not happy giving.
[00:39:44] <FatPhil> having said that, I 'm quite happy giving because of *bum wipe reasons*.
[00:39:51] <FatPhil> (see above)
[00:40:28] <AzumaHazuki> I know, but This Is What Republicans Actually Believe (TM)
[00:40:53] <AzumaHazuki> the US is finished. too much selfishness, structurally baked-in and allowed to ferment for 40+ years, Reagan to present
[00:41:21] <AzumaHazuki> former Communist satellites are better places to live, even. What does THAT say?
[00:48:12] <FatPhil> we have finland as a close neighbour ;-)
[00:48:40] <FatPhil> very useful for creation of a democratic state from fresh cloth.
[00:48:58] <FatPhil> but we borrowed a lot from germany too.
[00:55:32] <bacterium> wait are you in holland? i forgets
[00:59:41] <Bytram> =asub https://spacenews.com
[00:59:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA to Offer Funding for Initial Studies of Commercial Space Stations - SpaceNews" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:00:07] <Bytram> #weather FatPhil
[01:00:08] <MrPlow> Apteegi, 10123 Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 43/34F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~14mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 44/33F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 9%, Wind ~10mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 46/34F, Humidity: 73%, Precip: 10%, Wind ~7mph.
[01:00:22] <bacterium> oh yeah that's right
[01:00:30] <Bytram> =)
[01:00:44] <bacterium> #weather bacterium
[01:00:45] <MrPlow> Istituto d'Istruzione Superiore Francesco Alberghetti, V S. Benedetto, 10, 40026 Imola BO, Italy - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 64/39F, Humidity: 48%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 66/42F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 67/49F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~5mph.
[01:01:18] <bacterium> heh that's not the effect i intended...
[01:02:14] <Bytram> unseasonably nice weather here for the past couple days and maybe a day or two more to come... then the cold, wet early-spring rains will be upon us.
[01:03:24] <Bytram> So, I'm trying to make the most of the weather, but as luck would have it I've been "under the weather" all week.
[01:03:35] <bacterium> #weather Elk Grove
[01:03:36] <MrPlow> 9602 Elk Gr Florin Rd, Elk Grove, CA 95624, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 68/40F, Humidity: 45%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~13mph. Wed: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 71/43F, Humidity: 37%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~7mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 67/41F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~6mph.
[01:04:04] <Bytram> Hmmm
[01:04:14] <Bytram> #weather boca chica, TX
[01:04:15] <MrPlow> 4911 Boca Chica, Henderson County, TX 75148, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 74/47F, Humidity: 68%, Precip: 88%, Wind ~7mph. Wed: "Rain overnight." 78/57F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 37%, Wind ~8mph. Thu: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 71/47F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 95%, Wind ~9mph.
[01:04:53] <Bytram> not looking so good for a Starship test fire
[01:05:00] <bacterium> i live just 100 miles south of paradise
[01:05:06] <bacterium> satan++
[01:05:06] <Bender> karma - satan: 14
[01:05:09] <bacterium> stan++
[01:05:09] <Bender> karma - stan: 1
[01:07:09] <Bytram> FatPhil: You still around? The discussion about the grounded container ship got me motivated and I subbed a story on it. It is a bit time-sensitive (but not what I'd classify as "Breaking News").
[01:09:19] <Bytram> If you think it's worth pushing out, I'd appreciate your moving this to the "top" and slotting the new story into its place. https://soylentnews.org and then
[01:09:21] <systemd> ^ 03An Entire Game Inside of a Font - SoylentNews
[01:15:04] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://newatlas.com from the same-thing-we-do-every-night-Pinky dept.
[01:15:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03"Zinc Finger" Gene Therapy Tackles the Toxic Tangles of Alzheimer's" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:28:38] <AzumaHazuki> "zinc finger" makes me think of a robot flipping someone off for some reason
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[02:15:26] <Bytram> #weather suez, egypt
[02:15:36] <MrPlow> 1 Imam Alley, Third, Suez, 43515, Egypt - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 74/52F, Humidity: 44%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~10mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 73/54F, Humidity: 49%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 73/48F, Humidity: 51%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~10mph.
[02:27:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Entire Game Inside of a Font - https://sylnt.us - works-best-when-sized-to-at-least-14-pt
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[04:56:03] <chromas> "zunc finger" made me think of something else
[04:57:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Europe Starting to Freak Out About Dominance of SpaceX - https://sylnt.us - government-efficiency-vs-private-enterprise-disruption
[05:04:20] <chromas> https://www.forbes.com
[05:04:21] <systemd> ^ 03Biden Administration Urges Supreme Court To Let Cops Enter Homes And Seize Guns Without A Warrant
[05:44:21] <pinchy> king sooper store #33
[07:29:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Reportedly Looking to Acquire Discord Chat Application for $10 Billion - https://sylnt.us - with-all-that-juicy-user-data-to-Record
[08:21:26] <c0lo> =submit https://www.gov.ie
[08:21:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Climate Action and Low Carbon Development (Amendment) Bill 2021" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:26:16] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[08:26:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Top Saudi Official Issued Death Threat Against UN's Khashoggi Investigator" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:27:34] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[08:27:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Covid: Banksy Painting for NHS Charities Sells for £14.4m" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:37:51] <chromas> Spanksy
[08:38:24] <Ingar> 14.4M in bitcoin
[08:40:47] <chromas> Hm, I thought Banksy was the character from Chasing Amy, but he's missing an "s"
[08:41:20] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[08:41:22] <systemd> ^ 03Chasing Amy Black Rage
[08:41:58] <Ingar> Govt talking about third lockdown here
[08:42:00] <Ingar> fun fu
[08:42:02] <Ingar> n
[08:42:31] <Ingar> "it's clear now most infections happen at work or school"
[08:42:38] <Ingar> yeah duh, anything else is closed
[08:53:29] <c0lo> =submit https://kotaku.com
[08:53:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03So-Called Pirates are Doing the Work When Publishers Fail to Preserve Their Games" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:54:11] <c0lo> There, Ingar, go play some games for fun fu
[08:54:13] <c0lo> n
[08:58:52] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[08:58:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Intel to Launch Two New Fabs in Arizona and Why This is Important" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:59:20] <c0lo> Here ^^^ See? The reward for voting Biden.
[09:03:46] <c0lo> With TMSC doing the same, lotsa soylatte sipping Dem voters to invade Arizona https://www.reuters.com
[09:03:47] <systemd> ^ 03Chipmaker TSMC to set up Arizona subsidiary with $3.5 billion capital
[09:05:32] <c0lo> =submit someone-put-it-out-of-its-misery-for-good https://www.gizmodo.com.au
[09:05:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Radio Shack Once Again Crawls Out of the Grave" (3p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:08:01] <c0lo> =submit https://www.hackread.com
[09:08:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Hacker Dumps Guns.com Database With Customers, Admin Data" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:08:52] <c0lo> I feel there has to be a pun involving guns and non-security for the dept line
[09:11:48] <Ingar> from the you'll-work-harder-with-a-gun-in-your-back dept
[09:14:02] <c0lo> security is missing from your proposal, Ingar
[09:15:18] <chromas> it's an IoT gun; no need for security
[09:15:24] <c0lo> Otherwise... 'ere, 'ave it https://pbs.twimg.com
[09:16:42] <Ingar> my pitchfork is shiny and pointy
[09:18:28] <c0lo> Now, you came from the side of security, but no guns, Ingar
[09:19:04] <c0lo> Are you telling me you can't have both?
[09:23:45] <Ingar> seeing someone with a gun always makes me feel insecure
[09:55:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Instagram is "Most Invasive App", New Study Shows - https://sylnt.us
[09:56:31] <FatPhil> I will confess that in Jerusalem seeing the Israeli police armed with carbines made me feel a little safer, however, that was during a peak of intifada activity.
[09:59:37] <FatPhil> but knowing that the airport police at british airports are now armed with firearms powerful enough to go straight through their immediate target, and likely do more mechanical damage to the person behind really gives one no additional security.
[10:01:20] <FatPhil> +'feelings of'
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[11:34:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:34:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5517
[12:27:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Detect Chemicals Inside Pregnant Women They Can't Even Identify - https://sylnt.us
[12:41:27] <FatPhil> whisky++
[12:41:27] <Bender> karma - whisky: 14
[12:45:18] <inz> water++
[12:45:18] <Bender> karma - water: 39
[12:56:12] <c0lo> =submit https://www.npr.org
[12:56:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "032020 Was a Record-Breaking Year for Gun-Related Deaths in the U.S." (29p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:56:23] <Ingar> so, our govt took 'urgent measures' because 'situation is dire'
[12:56:28] <Ingar> next week schools close again
[12:57:07] <c0lo> =w 'No Way To Prevent This,'
[12:57:08] <systemd> 'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens is the title of a series of satirical articles from The Onion about the frequency - https://en.wikipedia.org'No_Way_To_Prevent_This,'_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens
[12:57:35] <AzumaHazuki> ever notice the gun nuts aren't reeeeeally about responsible gun ownership? if they were they'd have no issue with closing loopholes, background checks, and registration
[12:57:49] <c0lo> Ingar, is that the Dutch govt?
[12:57:56] <AzumaHazuki> they seem to want to just piss and moan about "thurr takin' ur GURRRRHNZ!"
[12:57:59] <Ingar> c0lo: Belgian govt
[12:58:08] <Ingar> (all 6 of them)
[12:59:12] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: gun nuts just want guns because alpha male hormones
[12:59:28] <c0lo> Ingar, UK variant?
[12:59:41] <AzumaHazuki> pssssh. i owned a .22 back in Erie and hated the fact that i even thought it was helpful
[12:59:58] <AzumaHazuki> obeyed all laws, too. sold it before i moved to buffalo
[13:00:13] <AzumaHazuki> thank Madokami i never, ever had to use it
[13:00:34] <Ingar> c0lo: It is doing well yeah
[13:00:45] <Teckla> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com
[13:01:07] <Teckla> (sfw)
[13:01:14] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:01:39] <AzumaHazuki> the simulation argument is another version of the "what if solipsism?" argument. the answer is "it makes no difference to us, so why bother thinking about it?"
[13:01:52] * c0lo re "alpha male hormones" - just can't wait to see a heavy bearded Lauren Boebert
[13:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's funny how folks argue for others' rights to be taken away but think they should and will have an exception carved out for them
[13:02:16] <AzumaHazuki> ...i could wait. forever. *pours brain bleach in left ear
[13:03:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, and c0lo, it was only record-breaking if you use your statistics to deliberately mislead
[13:05:04] <c0lo> oh, and TheMightyBuzzard, I can't care less if other years recorded more gun-related deaths, you the usians are still nuts
[13:05:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm okay with that, i just dislike bad math
[13:09:21] <c0lo> Apropos Boebert, two hours after Boulder shooting, https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:10:22] <c0lo> I'd say she's past "thoughts and prayers", into "the more shootings, the better the grift"
[13:14:51] <Ingar> I could probably summarize my viewpoint as "guns for freedom is like fucking for virginity"
[13:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, nothing says freedom like forbidding the citizenry the ability to oppose its government
[13:16:33] <Bytram> !grab Ingar
[13:16:33] <Bender> Added quote 1034
[13:16:45] <Ingar> TheMightyBuzzard: that's what we have lockdown for
[13:16:52] <Bytram> Ingar++
[13:16:52] <Bender> karma - ingar: 4
[13:17:21] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:17:21] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5518
[13:17:32] <Ingar> and shooting your govt to get freedoms is just a different name for civil war
[13:17:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> say, c0lo, cheers on you guys getting rid of your guns since you were all running around killing each other willy-nilly because you couldn't help yourselves
[13:17:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ingar, yup
[13:18:01] <Bytram> gonna be a long day; at least story queue is starting off in good shape
[13:18:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, were you saying that like it's a bad thing?
[13:18:51] <AzumaHazuki> have to say, though, it'd be tragicomically hilarious if someone even more Q-addled than Boebert herself shot her for being "insufficiently patriotic" or some shit
[13:19:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, fear not young hero. men of good conscience can disagree with each other and still all be of good conscience.
[13:19:25] <AzumaHazuki> the "conservatives" in the US have gone full wharrgarbling insane. they're eating one another alive.
[13:20:25] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ Who you calling "young"? =)
[13:20:25] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 421
[13:21:16] * TheMightyBuzzard hits Bytram with his cane for being on his lawn
[13:21:23] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:21:23] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5519
[13:21:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram++ #for great coffee truth
[13:21:43] <Bender> karma - bytram: 165
[13:21:44] <Bytram> :: laughter ::
[13:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:21:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5520
[13:23:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Ingar, we've had two civil wars in the US. both brought about monumental decreases in oppression
[13:49:23] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki++ for analysis of the simulation argument - count me as a subscriber too
[13:49:23] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 70
[13:49:47] <FatPhil> dilbert++
[13:49:47] <Bender> karma - dilbert: 1
[13:49:54] <FatPhil> now that's surprising
[13:50:20] <AzumaHazuki> i have to say, though, if this IS a simulation the player sucks all the balls. like "a number that's technically uncountable and needs to be represented with Cantorian aleph-signs" amount of balls
[13:52:04] <FatPhil> as long as we can keep cutting off the balls, even if just one by one, eventually we'll slay the beast.
[13:52:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, simulation theory is the only one that can currently completely explain the uncertainty principle in quantum physics
[13:53:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's an optimization. don't calculate a value unless someone tries to read it.
[13:53:54] <FatPhil> it makes no testable hypotheses, it's not science.
[13:54:04] <FatPhil> <-- rabid Popperist
[13:55:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh it makes as many as you care to think up. we just haven't been able to find a bug in the guy's code through testing yet.
[13:55:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> he obviously has a really good QA team
[13:56:05] <Teckla> coffee++
[13:56:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5521
[13:56:14] <FatPhil> such statements presume the conclusion you're attempting to prove is true
[13:56:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, they presume it's possible. kinda necessary if you're going to test something.
[13:57:19] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: I find it really sad and disappointing how people seem to define "patriot" and "patriotic" these days.
[13:57:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly though, it's just a really fun way to take the piss
[13:57:37] <Teckla> My definition of a patriot is someone willing to do what's right for the country and their fellow citizens.
[13:57:51] <Teckla> This would include, for example, wearing masks in public, even if you don't want to.
[13:58:06] <AzumaHazuki> they define it like the uncle with the drinking problem defines "love," i.e., "continue enabling me and obeying me or you don't love me"
[13:58:10] <Teckla> But these days, apparently you're a patriot if it's all about me me me me what I want to do me me me me I ain't gonna wear no mask because I'm a patriot me me me me.
[13:58:32] <Fnord666> Ever walk into a room and forget why you went in there? Tat's just the player canceling an action.
[13:58:41] <Fnord666> s/Tat/That/
[13:58:41] <SedBot> <Fnord666> Ever walk into a room and forget why you went in there? That's just the player canceling an action.
[13:58:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, your example is valid but so is protesting governmental overreach when they mandate it.
[13:58:49] <Teckla> The Americans that fought and died for our country must be rolling in their graves right now. They sacrificed their lives for all these crybabies that can't do a simple thing for the good of the country? Sheesh. So very disappointing.
[13:59:13] <AzumaHazuki> what tribal fucking idiots like runaway don't understand is that patriotism is love of country, not love of whatever asshole is running it...and more abstractly, wanting it to be the best it can be. criticizing its current shortcomings is NOT unpatriotic
[13:59:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, everyone understands that. nobody who's lived through a president they didn't like could do otherwise.
[14:00:00] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: I think I'd save "protesting government overreach" for things that actually matter. A simple cloth mask in public hardly qualifies, imo.
[14:00:03] * AzumaHazuki finds it hilarious when he accuses her of "hating America" all the while being as willfully pig-ignorant as it's possible to be about the country's past and present issues
[14:00:25] <AzumaHazuki> oh yes, and then there's Uzzard, who has a four year old's idea of "freedom"
[14:00:33] <Teckla> Let's fight stuff that matters, like... what's that thing where cops can take your money and possessions even if they think they might have be acquired through crime? Civil asset forfeiture?
[14:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, if you wait for things that really matter, you'll already be completely screwed. it's why you defend the scoundrels first.
[14:00:40] <Teckla> Let's maybe fight for some stuff that really counts.
[14:00:43] <AzumaHazuki> Civil forfeiture, yes
[14:01:13] <AzumaHazuki> though on that note, seeing the "blue lives matter" crowd assaulting a cop was darkly funny...
[14:01:27] <Teckla> There are dozens of things that matter so much more.
[14:01:48] <Teckla> And they go after masks... smh.
[14:02:00] <FatPhil> Anyone have access to BBC broadcasts, in particular /Panorama/? There was a program a night or two back which looked at how half a dozen very different countries handled the pandemic. Was kinda Anglo-centric, and anti-Boris, but was mostly pretty informative (had too much appeal to emotion bookending it, alas)
[14:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> like it totally wouldn't matter if the government banned discussing The Spam Party's politics today. no such thing exists. and yet it sets an incredibly dangerous precedent.
[14:02:19] <AzumaHazuki> Teckla, Uzzard does not have the maturity of the depth of thought to converse about these things meaningfully. he thinks in slogans. like "all taxation is theft." Though apparently the military is "necessary evil."
[14:02:48] <AzumaHazuki> makes me wonder what the fuck we'd be defending and from whom, if that were taken to its logical conclusion...
[14:02:51] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: You make some insightful points, but still, anyone unwilling to do even the minimal patriotic thing of wearing a simple cloth mask in public very much deserves to be labeled an asshole unpatriotic greedy self centered douche, imo.
[14:03:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, which is exactly how it should be handled, yes.
[14:03:14] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Well, as a centrist, I agree with TMB on lots of things, too, heh
[14:03:54] <AzumaHazuki> Sander is a "centrist," Teckla. I'm slightly right of center given some of my ideas about guns and immigration
[14:03:57] <Teckla> I'm somewhere in between left and right, thus, both sides hate me. ;)
[14:04:07] <Ingar> I'm up
[14:04:12] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: What are your ideas about immigration?
[14:04:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm charmed, FatPhil is strange
[14:04:42] <AzumaHazuki> that any company employing illegals should get the corporate death penalty and its entire C-suite stripped of all assets corporate and personal and forced to work for min. wage at walmart!
[14:04:46] <Teckla> I'm against mass immigration. It hurts U.S. citizens. At the very least, our government should be putting U.S. citizens before foreign citizens.
[14:04:53] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard++ at least you didn't make me bottom
[14:04:53] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 422
[14:04:56] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Ha, sounds good
[14:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, until you realize it would raise the price of produce by like 500%, yeah.
[14:05:36] <Teckla> Watching Democrats bend over backwards to "help" foreign citizens at the expense of U.S. citizens makes me sick.
[14:05:53] <AzumaHazuki> see, the only reason we have such a "crisis" is corporate greed. illegals are basically a slave caste. i don't know WHAT the democrats think they're doing but it looks like the few with good intentions are getting their ideas either steamrolled or perverted by the Reagaintes who make up the DNC
[14:06:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a problem but not one with a quick, easy solution
[14:06:28] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Perhaps we could use work visas for that. I'm still against handing everyone citizenship papers upon stepping over the border line.
[14:06:36] <AzumaHazuki> so we have one party full of psychopaths, and another with a few progressives surrounded by people just slightly less psychopathic and/or a little more aware that collapsing the nation would be bad for their stock portfolios
[14:07:01] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: who would you say were the Reaganites in the DNC?
[14:07:03] <Teckla> I'm old, so I try not to care. I'll be dead soon enough.
[14:07:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, yeah, so am i. it's just not as quick and easy as partisan trolls make it out to be.
[14:07:06] <Fnord666> narcissistic sociopaths
[14:07:10] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: You're right.
[14:07:28] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil: allllll of them...? there are two parties, a tiny mini-party made of centrists like Sanders and a bunch of neoliberals like the Clintons etc
[14:08:09] <AzumaHazuki> for my part, i've accepted than the US's institutions have taken fatal damage and can't protect us. Biden's win brought us a reprieve until November 2022. Then it's over. I aim to be gone before then
[14:08:41] <Teckla> I think the U.S. is basically done. Now for the long slide downhill.
[14:09:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i love how she takes her scale and bases it exclusively on europe/oz/ca but claims it's necessary to not use a US scale because that's not global
[14:09:41] <AzumaHazuki> what a shame. 40 years of Reaganomics did this
[14:09:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> makes me laugh
[14:10:04] <AzumaHazuki> the die was cast almost a decade before i was born. Gens Y and Z never had a chance; we were born doomed
[14:11:32] <Teckla> Don't look at me, I'm Gen X ;)
[14:11:36] * Teckla hides!
[14:11:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, whatever
[14:11:47] <AzumaHazuki> honestly, most of Gen X is proper fucked too
[14:12:04] <FatPhil> Blame Chicago for Reagan, not Ronnie himself, he probably never had an original thought.
[14:12:09] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: I hope I'm wrong, and I think it's still worth fighting for. I'm just skeptical the current path can be changed. :(
[14:12:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, no, "whatever" is the official battle cry of Gen-X.
[14:12:32] <FatPhil> Blame immigrants! (look who was behind the Chicago school...)
[14:12:39] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: oh! haha. true :)
[14:12:50] <FatPhil> "pass the glue"
[14:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> =blame
[14:13:01] * systemd points at Bytram
[14:13:10] <Teckla> FatPhil: Immigration is fine. *Massive* immigration, on the other hand...
[14:13:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, still fine if they're a net positive or even neutral fiscally.
[14:13:57] <AzumaHazuki> the current path cannot be changed. it was locked in when we made the wrong response to 11 Sept 2001
[14:14:16] <AzumaHazuki> 20 years ago almost. more than half my lifetime. living in a doomed timeline and being aware of it is not good for one's sanity
[14:14:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> wow, she's really kicking out all the sanity jams today, ain't she?
[14:14:27] <FatPhil> You think the flood out of eastern europe 100 years ago wasn't mass immigration?
[14:14:54] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Sure, though I think our ability to integrate immigrants has likely been overwhelmed. And, there's probably more than fiscal concerns.
[14:15:04] <Ingar> in the EU we don't call it mass migration, we call it "unified market"
[14:15:07] <Teckla> For example, if we want to keep certain aspects of our culture.
[14:15:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Teckla, naw. we integrate just fine. we just need to require integration.
[14:15:42] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Hmmm, how do we do t hat?
[14:15:45] <Teckla> s/t hat/that/
[14:15:45] <SedBot> <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Hmmm, how do we do that?
[14:15:51] <Teckla> SedBot++
[14:15:51] <Bender> karma - sedbot: 8
[14:15:51] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[14:15:52] <Ingar> but would je integrate democraticly or republicly ?
[14:16:27] <Ingar> s/je/you/
[14:16:27] <SedBot> <Ingar> but would you integrate democraticly or republicly ?
[14:16:47] <Teckla> I <3 SedBot.
[14:16:58] <FatPhil> 9/11 was an almost direct consequence of Herzl's writing and Balfour's doing.
[14:17:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> not make allowances for other languages would be a good start. not give anyone a pass on anything for keeping cultural bits that are in direct conflict with american values.
[14:17:13] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Hmmm. Those seem reasonable.
[14:17:22] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: will you provide free language lessons?
[14:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, we already do to every kid
[14:17:39] <FatPhil> or at least not-for-profit ones
[14:17:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> adults have jobs and can pay for theirs
[14:17:45] <AzumaHazuki> mass immigration is actually a smart strategy...if you can make sure they integrate and assimilate
[14:17:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm fine with not-for-profit. not the same as operating at a huge loss though.
[14:18:02] <FatPhil> TIL all adults have jobs
[14:18:08] <AzumaHazuki> Denmark's latest ideas have a few gems in them (hidden in a large, self-defeating pile of shit)
[14:18:38] <AzumaHazuki> then again, IMO a lot of this is karma (in a "this arising, that also arises" sense) for the US's meddling in international politics.
[14:18:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they don't have a job, they're not a net positive or neutral fiscally and should not be allowed in. housewives aside and they do have income.
[14:18:46] <AzumaHazuki> specifically south and central america
[14:19:00] <c0lo> Teckla, I suggest you start making kids to replace the 0.5M that died or be happy those admitted today as immigrats will learn enough English to understand when you ask them to change your diaper in the retirement house :large grin:
[14:19:36] <FatPhil> Anyone know how I can find out why my desktop is spinning up its fans noisily? top says there's no load.
[14:19:43] <FatPhil> linux, obvs.
[14:20:15] <Teckla> c0lo: Heh! To be clear, I'm okay with immigration. I just think there is a middle ground between "no immigration" and "no borders, no walls, no U.S.A. at all".
[14:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> watch the temp, check the programmed curves.
[14:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you haven't programmed them in the os, it'll be the default curve coded at the factory.
[14:21:00] <Ingar> FatPhil: running any fancontrol soft ?
[14:21:50] <Teckla> c0lo: It turns out I did not breed, heh.
[14:22:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, hwmon is handy for that. i keep fan speeds and temps for cpu and gpu showing in conky
[14:22:14] <Teckla> FatPhil: Hmmm. Dust build-up?
[14:22:56] <Ingar> FatPhil: if not, check bios settigns
[14:23:03] <Ingar> default fan curves usually suck
[14:23:40] <Teckla> FatPhil: Thermal paste needs replacing? I'm not sure if that stuff wears out or not...
[14:24:14] <Ingar> Teckla: some of it does wear out
[14:24:30] <Ingar> also, poor pasting jobs
[14:24:47] <Ingar> they usually don't have any issues initially
[14:26:10] <Ingar> more likely though: filth and dust
[14:26:32] <Ingar> http://ingar.intranifty.net
[14:27:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, make sure and pull the side off and run the whole thing through the dishwasher at least twice a year
[14:27:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> a carwash will work just as well if you don't have a dishwasher
[14:27:59] <Ingar> I did that with a keyboard last weekend
[14:28:14] <Ingar> it's fresh, soft and clean now
[14:28:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> clean a keyboard? what kind of heresy is this?
[14:28:58] <Ingar> at had assembled too much tobacco
[14:29:08] <Teckla> After running a keyboard through the dishwasher, don't forget to re-lube the keys!
[14:29:26] <FatPhil> pwmconfig says there are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed
[14:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> have lm-sensors installed?
[14:29:40] <FatPhil> not sure what to do with freshly-installed fancontrol yet
[14:29:42] <Ingar> Teckla: to be completely honest, I disassmled it first and took out the switches and the circuit board :p
[14:30:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> and set up. setting up after installing is pretty crucial.
[14:30:33] <FatPhil> lm-sensors installed, but it has no manpages
[14:30:57] <c0lo> Teckla, I like how you took the minute to check that indeed you didn't breed. I mean, those things can happen so suddenly one can't ever be sure.
[14:31:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, man sensors
[14:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> or man sensors-detect
[14:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> or even man ineedasmoke
[14:32:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> #nicotine++ #smoke break
[14:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[14:32:56] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 808
[14:33:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake TheMightyBuzzard
[14:33:01] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard upside the head with a one-eyed snake
[14:33:45] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard++ sensors shows some cold temperatures
[14:33:45] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 423
[14:37:31] <FatPhil> sensors-detect detected a sensor, so I modprobed its driver, and now there's way more output from sensors
[14:38:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> woot
[14:38:18] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[14:38:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> it is getting increasingly difficult to haul my ass up to the church in the morning
[14:39:22] <FatPhil> unsure how to react to "CPUTIN: +127.5°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) ALARM sensor = CPU
[14:39:25] <FatPhil> diode"
[14:39:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd disbelieve it and assume there's an offset in need of setting
[14:39:53] <FatPhil> 127.5C says to me 0xff, probably not a real reading
[14:40:13] <FatPhil> I now know which fan's spinning
[14:40:59] <FatPhil> coretemp says just: Core 0: +54.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
[14:41:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well. gotta do what i gotta do. and today what i gotta do is fill in the deep damned ruts someone left in the yard this summer so i can mow today.
[14:42:13] <Teckla> c0lo: I guess it's possible I did breed without being aware of it ;)
[14:42:15] <c0lo> FatPhil, yeah, the things were much simpler during CYELTSIN time
[14:48:58] <FatPhil> pwmconfig now does something, but at no point during its 'spinning down the fans' test did it spin down the fan
[14:55:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Lays Out Plans for its First Flights on Mars - https://sylnt.us
[14:58:06] <FatPhil> oh, shit, I've just managed to make pwmcontrol spin the fan up to MAXXXX!!!!
[15:03:07] <Bytram> gtg; back in a few hours. Will catch up on backscroll later
[15:03:19] <Bytram> have a great day everybody!
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[17:07:30] <chromas> AMD does retarded shit with its thermal values so you have to undo that
[17:36:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TikTok Wants to Keep Tracking iPhone Users with State-Backed Workaround - https://sylnt.us - follow-the-money
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[19:34:33] <Runaway1956> Because Americans can't control their drug habits, we should hose foreign nations with cancer causing chemicals
[19:34:38] <Runaway1956> https://www.mintpressnews.com
[19:34:41] <systemd> ^ 03Biden Backs Revival of His Brainchild: Plan Colombia 2.0 Set to Begin Next Month
[19:35:17] <Runaway1956> Problem is - the coca has be bioengineered to be immune to Roundup and glyphosate
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[19:56:07] <FatPhil> whisky++
[19:56:07] <Bender> karma - whisky: 15
[20:00:19] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[20:00:20] <systemd> ^ 03Giant container ship blocking Suez Canal partially moved
[20:05:09] <Bytram> Runaway1956: I wrote up a story about it yesterday, but no editor has run it yet. And, as luck would have it, I *just* subbed a new story with updated into before popping back into this channel.
[20:07:03] <Bytram> I found this page to be especially informative as it has real-time location and orientation information on this ship (MV EVER GIVEN) and all ships around it (e.g. tugs)
[20:08:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA to Offer Funding for Initial Studies of Commercial Space Stations - https://sylnt.us
[20:08:54] <Runaway1956> I'll take a look at it Bytram
[20:09:03] <Bytram> =)
[20:09:06] <Runaway1956> meanwhile - the FBI knew about that colorado shooter
[20:09:11] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[20:09:13] <systemd> ^ 03FBI roasted over Boulder shooting after report suggests suspect Alissa was known to intelligence officials ( https://www.rt.com )
[20:09:32] <Runaway1956> As usual, they made no move ahead of the shooting, only swooping in afterward
[20:12:42] <Bytram> until anything is actually done, or reported, what can they actually *do*? Arrest anyone and everyone who ever said anything potentiality threatening? If they do, nobody would stand for it, and if they don't, there will (again) be calls that they should have done something. All leads to constant surveillance. No thanks.
[20:13:00] <Runaway1956> The Ever Given story - lol - the story says a backhoe was working to dig the bow out of the canal wall - but the photo shows a front end loader, not a backhoe
[20:13:31] <Runaway1956> The FBI had prior knowledge of both this guy, and the Parkland shooter
[20:13:46] <Runaway1956> The list of "red flags" is long, for both
[20:14:09] <Runaway1956> They could have intervened, and blocked the sale of the weapons used in both cases
[20:14:24] <Bytram> Different pic. I'd seen it somewhere. Like a kid's Tonka truck next to a Ford F150 extended cab
[20:14:28] <Runaway1956> or if they were too late, they could have used "red flag" laws to confiscate the weapons
[20:15:50] <FatPhil> blocking the sale of the weapons used would infringe that person's right to bear arms
[20:16:06] <Runaway1956> No FatPhil - it wouldn't at all
[20:16:22] <Runaway1956> it is recognized that *some poeple* are too irresponsible to own weapons
[20:16:30] <Bytram> I'm *not* saying there was nothing they could do. Just be aware of where it leads when they are asked to do more, that becomes 'the norm' so they get calls to do more...
[20:16:31] <Runaway1956> that is the whole reason for background checks
[20:16:48] <FatPhil> background checks would infringe that person's right to bear arms
[20:17:17] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - existing laws are not enforced, which allows crazy people to purchase weapons
[20:17:33] <Bytram> =g militia
[20:17:34] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Militia - Wikipedia
[20:17:43] <FatPhil> good, otherwise that would infringe those people's right to bear arms
[20:17:44] <Runaway1956> the fact that crazy people get weapons encourages damned fools around the world to take weapons from EVERYONE
[20:18:18] * Runaway1956 notes that the phat one just wants to argue today
[20:19:12] <chromas> We need common sense pun control
[20:20:37] <Bytram> one can be sane at time of purchase and then go nuts -- and not necessarily all at once -- could develop imperceptibly slowly over time.
[20:22:01] <Runaway1956> However, Bytram, both shooters had been reported to the FBI precisely because they were unstable, and because they had strong anti-social tendencies
[20:23:21] <FatPhil> Bytram: NRA thinks militias are irrelevant: https://eu-browse.startpage.com
[20:23:40] <FatPhil> from https://www.washingtonpost.com
[20:23:42] <systemd> ^ 03The NRA once believed in gun control and had a leader who pushed for it
[20:24:03] <FatPhil> it's the photo of the plaque in their museum
[20:25:01] <Bytram> I do not recall mentioning the NRA. IMO, they are just trying to run a scam to get $$ from gun fans to accommodate the CxO's lifestyles
[20:25:59] <Runaway1956> I told ya - the Phat Guy just wants to argue today - pay him no mind Bytram
[20:26:07] <Runaway1956> He'll be better in a day or two
[20:26:13] <Bytram> IOW, whatever viewpoint they hold appears to be one of convenience used to line their pockets
[20:26:15] <Runaway1956> or not
[20:26:34] <Bytram> oar knot?
[20:26:45] <Bytram> Our nut?
[20:26:56] <Runaway1956> And, yes, I think you nailed the NRA very accurately Bytram - they are not, nave never been, about gun rights
[20:28:11] <Bytram> had a close relative who fell for their "spiel" -- slick, I must say, but I was fr enough removed I could see the fearmongering and manipulation
[20:28:16] <FatPhil> Bytram: You mentioned militia, I was offering you the NRA's view on the relevance of militias. They're the one doing the most lobbying, they're kinda important on this matter.
[20:28:51] <FatPhil> Did you ever see their TV channel? Hilarious!
[20:29:49] <Bytram> I was just pointing out that that word had a specific meaning when the constitution was written and it's meaning has been somewhat tortured since then in the *name* of guns rights.
[20:30:10] <FatPhil> so has the word "arms"
[20:30:14] <FatPhil> and the word "people"
[20:30:52] <Bytram> that said, I've had two nights in a row of short sleep. it is nap time.
[20:30:54] <Bytram> laters
[20:30:55] <Runaway1956> FatPhil, the NRA has been growing less and less relevant for the last 8 to 12 years
[20:31:24] <Runaway1956> They have less money to spend on lobbying as the top brass siphon more and more money away from the NRA
[20:31:36] <Runaway1956> People are leaving the NRA in droves
[20:32:42] <Runaway1956> Google Wayne Lapierre to get an idea how much trouble he is in, and how much trouble he is causing the NRA
[20:33:46] <FatPhil> their lobbying budget has roughly quadruped over the last two decades
[20:34:21] <FatPhil> NRATV was a bit of a moneyhole too, that's why they stopped it.
[20:34:34] <Runaway1956> Uhhhhh - no - I think if you actually research them, they only spent about 10 million dollars in the 2020 election cycle
[20:35:02] <Runaway1956> Russia spent that much in the 2016 election cycle, with no measurable results
[20:38:10] <FatPhil> 2000 lobbying budget was ~$1.3MM, 2017 was ~$5.1MM, that's roughly quadrupling over the last two decades no?
[20:40:46] <Runaway1956> That is contrary to things I have read - but I'm not finding citations to support it
[20:42:10] <chromas> Not quadrupled when you consider inflation :D
[20:42:27] <chromas> Bribes just aren't worth what they used to be.
[20:46:38] <FatPhil> here's the 2017 figure, I don't remember where I got the 2000 one from, but it was well below the 2008 one on that page: https://www.newsweek.com
[20:46:39] <systemd> ^ 03The NRA spent a record sum on lobbying last year
[20:47:19] <FatPhil> and even 2008 gives a factor of 3. 2018 was pretty much the same as 2017.
[20:48:06] <FatPhil> "Center for Responsive Politics" was the common original source.
[20:49:00] <Runaway1956> Maybe I'm looking for the wrong terms -
[20:49:08] <Runaway1956> overall spending maybe?
[20:49:44] <Runaway1956> It's been stated repeatedly that the NRA is spending less money, because their cash has be siphoned off for legal issues
[20:49:57] <Runaway1956> as well as supporting LaPierre's extravagant lifestyle
[20:50:43] <Runaway1956> Someone somewhere pointed out that 2020 campaign spending was less than the legal fees they paid out, or something to that effect
[20:51:16] <FatPhil> yup, this is shoving money in slimy ted's back pocket
[20:53:29] <chromas> #CancelStallman
[20:54:33] <chromas> "But without Stallman's leadership, won't that project become rudderless and effectively cease all meaningful progress on creating a fully independent GNU HURD operating system? This could set them back decades!"
[21:08:42] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[21:08:44] <systemd> ^ 03Vancouver residents are confused by their new $645,000 public toilet
[21:08:55] <Runaway1956> I had no idea that a PortaPotty could cost so much
[21:45:18] <FatPhil> I thought our ~150000e one was expensive! Most expensive loo in the country.
[21:45:51] <chromas> Is that a non-plungible token?
[21:46:11] <FatPhil> I don't know, I've never taken the plunge.
[21:49:06] <chromas> Is it weird that Plebbit has more sane comments on the RMS thing than Ars?
[21:49:58] <FatPhil> what's plebbit?
[21:51:48] <chromas> reddit
[21:52:12] <FatPhil> because the people on it are plebs?
[21:53:16] <FatPhil> is ARS all lefty feminist screechers?
[21:54:47] <chromas> pretty much. people who thing stallman is a pedo defender
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[21:55:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Wuddup niggas.
[21:56:20] <FatPhil> my memory's not clear, but I think he just tried to say "not all crimes are equal", and then he got cancelled for thoughtcrime, which is as bad as rape.
[21:56:51] <Ethanol-fueled> FatPhil, if one wants to commit crimes and get away, all they have to be is Jewish.
[21:57:34] <Ethanol-fueled> One 'o' 'dem hooknosed muthafuckas.
[21:58:12] <Ethanol-fueled> Teaming up with China to try and destroy America.
[21:58:47] <pinchy> omg a hooknosed mofo
[21:59:02] <Ethanol-fueled> Muthafuckas at MIT, muthafuckas at Harvard and Yale, muthafuckas in the UC system.
[21:59:07] <pinchy> fake shootings since biden took office: 2
[21:59:34] <pinchy> still waiting for the seatlle 911 part deux
[21:59:45] <FatPhil> It's utterly bizarre that you wouldn't start that list with the Chicago school of economics!
[21:59:48] <Ethanol-fueled> pinchy -- at least they were smart enough to make one a kinda-White guy, not a complete White guy
[22:01:07] <Ethanol-fueled> One they could parade around their media, but that they could say "hey, they're not all White guys" while Blacks, emboldened by the Jews and given powers to do anything they want, gun down mass-shootings all over the place.
[22:01:47] <Ethanol-fueled> Hell, gun down during mass-shootings all over the place even.
[22:03:26] <Ethanol-fueled> I like how the Jews are trying to get Asians up in the mix for Whitey hatin'
[22:03:49] <Ethanol-fueled> Surely it just might succeed, with the Jews and Chinese being allied and all.
[22:04:09] <pinchy> is there a jewish enclave in china somewhere like brooklyn?
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[22:27:48] <Bytram> #tell Ethanol-fueled I believe you've been cautioned before. Please take that crap someplace other than #soylent which is the public-facing entrance to our IRC server. Maybe #shitlords? Subsequent sightings of this behavior will result in bans.
[22:27:48] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
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[22:45:24] <Ethanol-fueled> Ya know, it'd dem goddamn Jew-bastards.
[22:45:42] <Ethanol-fueled> They are really trying to destroy America now.
[22:46:03] <Ethanol-fueled> The Chinese thank them for their role in the "cultural revolution"
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