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[00:20:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unicode: on Building the One Character Set to Rule Them All - https://sylnt.us
[00:23:08] <SoyGuest48353> TheMightyBuzzard++
[00:23:08] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 415
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[00:23:11] <SoyGuest48353> TheMightyBuzzard++
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[00:23:42] <SoyGuest48353> Tucker and Dale is such a great movie
[00:24:19] <SoyGuest48353> whilst we were watching that wrong movie, we did mention Tucker and Dale
[00:24:43] <SoyGuest48353> hilariously, we couldn't remember the name of it,
[00:24:59] <SoyGuest48353> It started with "bill and ted's something"
[00:25:10] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[00:25:10] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[00:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, must be one of them hippies in austin. the rest of texas is off mandatory coronaids panic behavior entirely.
[00:26:19] <Bytram> for now.
[00:27:59] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: "Doc! It hurts when I do this." "Well, STOP DOING THAT!"
[00:28:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyGuest48353, yeah, i had to start by remembering the "dale" bit and work my memory from there.
[00:28:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i think they're more concerned with millions starving than hundreds dying
[00:29:24] <Bytram> hyperbole much?
[00:29:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, dead on the money.
[00:29:38] <Bytram> =g population texas
[00:29:38] <systemd> https://www.census.gov - U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: Texas
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[00:30:32] <Bytram> just shy of 29 million people in Texas
[00:31:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> collapsed economy = no jobs = collapsed businesses and no new businesses cause nobody can afford them = even less jobs = people starve
[00:31:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> the only ones who wouldn't have to worry about that are the ones sitting on at least six figures of liquidity
[00:32:09] <Bytram> millions starving. that's plural, more than one. So, at least 2 million. 2/29 is about 7% starving???!
[00:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, call it 28 million
[00:32:20] <Fnord666> I'm sure the people dying will at least be happy to know the local bar will survive.
[00:32:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i'd say more like 70%
[00:33:15] <Fnord666> But it's just old people, right? Who gives a fuck about them. It was about time anyway.
[00:33:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not a minor speedbump in the economy that's in the future if the economy stays deliberately crippled
[00:33:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's flat out destruction
[00:33:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, if it's a few old people or everyone going hungry? yeah. they die.
[00:34:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you can't make that kind of hard call, you got no business opining on politics, much less being a politician.
[00:36:01] <Fnord666> Fortunately it's not quite that all or nothing
[00:36:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> wishing shit weren't as bad as it is and acting accordingly don't make it less bad, it just makes you naive
[00:36:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, but you gave an all or nothing question.
[00:36:35] <AzumaHazuki> Fnord666: a whole bunch of the usual suspects on the forum proper have expressed basically that sentiment
[00:37:00] <Bytram> populations: Houston, TX == 2,320,268; Dallas == 1,343,573; Austin == 978,908;
[00:37:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt dallas theme song
[00:37:19] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Dallas Opening and Closing Theme 1978 - 1991 (HD Surround)
[00:37:36] * TheMightyBuzzard shoots JR
[00:37:52] <Fnord666> So how many Texans have starved to death since the quarantine as compared to a "normal" year?
[00:37:56] <Bytram> If that many people were starving in TX, MSM would be SCREAMING about it. And we know they can, 'cause we heard about the snow, ice, and cold.
[00:38:05] <Bytram> Ditto for hurricanes.
[00:38:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, it's not a linear progression, it's logarithmic and once you're able to see "hey, this shit's getting pretty bad" you're already completely fucked beyond all hope.
[00:39:08] <Bytram> I am NOT saying that NOBODY was affected, but.. [Citation Needed]
[00:39:26] <Bytram> slippery slope?
[00:39:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> feedback
[00:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> the more unemployment you have, the less people you have to participate in the economy, the less it's worth opening a business or hiring someone.
[00:40:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> goto 10
[00:40:27] <Bytram> I am quite familiar -- did some electrical circuits which required it (in moderation). See also: climate change.
[00:40:41] <Bytram> that sounds... BASIC
[00:40:47] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[00:40:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram++
[00:40:51] <Bender> karma - bytram: 163
[00:41:00] <Bytram> ;)
[00:41:41] * Bytram wrote his 1st BASIC program 49 years ago(!)
[00:42:33] <Fnord666> So Texas is basically the same as a low income third world country.
[00:43:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, that's every economy ever. you wait until you can see the economy crashing hard and you're too damned late to do anything about it.
[00:43:32] <Bytram> Great Depression -- there was *negative* inflation -- the longer you waited, the more you could get for your money. We survived that (and with far fewer government supports)
[00:44:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> we rebuilt from it, yeah. ask someone who lived it how pleasant that was and how many lives it cost.
[00:45:00] <Fnord666> So we go back to business as usual, pretend there's nothing going on and let it run it's course?
[00:45:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, or we could, oh, say offer the vaccine to old folks first and let everyone else get the fuck back to work.
[00:45:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you know, exactly like texas and mississippi are doing
[00:46:18] <Fnord666> When there are simple measures that people can take without cl
[00:46:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck that. those simple measures are costing people jobs and costing businesses their existence.
[00:47:05] <Fnord666> When there are simple measures that people can take without closing everything down but it does require some bit of civility.
[00:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> civility my ass. "here eat this shit sammich and smile while you do it or else" is not fucking civility.
[00:47:40] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: "no, i'd say more like 70%" starving. Simple measures... like wearing a mask (which was what started this whole discussion) which people were refusing to do!
[00:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, because it's pointless for people under 50 and people over 50 should be getting their asses vaccinated.
[00:48:31] <Fnord666> So any measure that inconveniences businesses or individuals to any degree is simply to much to ask no matter what the consequences
[00:48:43] <Bytram> Fnord666++
[00:48:43] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 30
[00:48:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> and even just half capacity will close many a business
[00:49:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, yes. because everything is an absolute. stfu, disingenuous asshat.
[00:50:06] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: you write amazing code. I find, much to your chagrin and displeasure, bugs. I miss some, too. Should I not test? (Think back to the month of debugging when yu and PJ rolled out the new, faster story display code)
[00:50:31] <Fnord666> Sounds to me like such businesses should be closing anyway. Probably doing them a favor.
[00:50:58] <Bytram> most new businesses fail within the first year or two
[00:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, yeah, tell that to the people your indifference just put out of work. i'm sure it'll fill their kids' bellies nicely.
[00:51:28] <Bytram> so, many of those failed busineses would have failed anyway, pandemic or no.
[00:51:52] * Bytram has been out of work for a year
[00:52:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, apples n oranges. you can not live a perfect life and if you try to you will live no life at all.
[00:52:45] <Bytram> I made no such statement. what ARE you talking about?
[00:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> your last statement
[00:53:10] <Bytram> what about it?
[00:53:30] <Fnord666> The issue there is that you assume I have some sort of obligation to fill their bellies or to give them meaningful work.
[00:53:31] <Bytram> Are you suggstng I have no life, that it is unfullfilling?
[00:53:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> well for starters i have only a vague idea wtf you were referring to but i went ahead and answered your point anyway.
[00:54:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i'm suggesting you do not try to QA people's lives. you calculate the risk and either take it or not. you do not sit around second guessing.
[00:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> and for folks under 50, the risk is negligible but the danger of being shut down is very, very real and a near certainty.
[00:55:30] <Bytram> having kids is more than having woopee and then where did these kids come from and whhhy are they so expensive and how can I afford them? If you can't afford 'em, don't have 'em, maybe?
[00:55:54] <Fnord666> Depends on what you define as risk. Their personal risk is one thing, but wandering about infecting others who have a much higher risk is another.
[00:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yeah, you should probably hand out licenses to have kids.
[00:56:23] <Bytram> I wear a mask to protect YOU from getting COVID-19
[00:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, infecting others who are in nearly no danger? whoopdie shit.
[00:56:51] <Fnord666> No, infecting others for whom it is a much higher risk.
[00:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you could get coronaids and lick me and i wouldn't care. it's over 1000:1 i cough a bit and get over it.
[00:57:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, who should be vaccinated already.
[00:57:13] <Bytram> "nearly no danger" -- phusically active 30-year olds end up in the ICU, too.
[00:57:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yeah, at a rate of under 1:1000
[00:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is nearly no danger
[00:57:40] <Fnord666> Which has only now become an option though. What should have happened in the previous 10 months?
[00:57:41] <Bytram> 'cept to that 1
[00:57:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so fuck the other 1000 for that one? no.
[00:57:57] <Bytram> and that COULD be you
[00:58:18] <Bytram> people suck at understanding probabilities, especially when it applies to them
[00:58:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, and i'd say exactly the same if it were. i'm not a big enough asshole to put a hundred people out of work to save my own ass.
[00:58:32] <Bytram> then again, there's long covid
[00:58:57] <Bytram> phone
[00:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, only now? they're sitting on vaccine doses they can't GIVE AWAY to old people. they're literally going bad where they won't let them out to anyone else.
[01:00:57] <Bytram> who is "they"?
[01:01:03] <Fnord666> The covid-19 vaccine was not available before mid-December to anyone
[01:01:16] <Fnord666> What should have happened between March and December?
[01:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, anyone limiting vaccine doses to old folks and first responders.
[01:01:48] <Bytram> sitting on vaccine doses. Some, maybe (weathr, car troubles, etc) but not as if they are sitting on ALL of them, either
[01:01:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, old folks should have quarantined and the rest of us should have gone back to work.
[01:02:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> shut the whole nation down or shut 25% of it down? no fucking brainer
[01:03:23] <Bytram> cause, when they get sick, they are disproportionately gonna take up ICU beds for long time, means running out... and dying. Which, last I checked, was worsae than starving.
[01:03:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, da hell you talking about? the quarantined old people?
[01:03:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and no, dying is quite a lot better than starving. try it.
[01:04:10] <Bytram> that's the problem IMO, we did NOT shut the whole country down, so the virus continue to spread
[01:04:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> starving i mean.
[01:04:26] * TheMightyBuzzard shakes his head
[01:04:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can NOT shut the whole country down if you want people to eat and drink and not freeze to death
[01:04:52] <Bytram> I have, no fun. But, afterwards, I can still eat. When I'm dead, food ain't gonna help.
[01:05:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've been hungry then not starved. it's not the same ballpark.
[01:05:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and when you're dead it don't hurt anymore.
[01:05:42] <Bytram> how do you know that? Have YOU starved?
[01:06:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> barely. i've gone weeks with nothing but caffeine to tell my stomach to shut up.
[01:06:22] <Bytram> (I meant how do you kow that I have not starved?)
[01:06:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> safe bet. hardly anyone in the US even knows what it means.
[01:06:55] <Fnord666> Except in Texas.
[01:06:59] <Bytram> you got me beat there. sorry to hear it. So glad you made it through.
[01:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, argue a real point or drop the argument
[01:07:43] * Bytram has been homeless a couple times. that was no joy.
[01:08:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, most anyone can go a couple weeks. it ain't fun at all but you won't die unless you have like no body fat at all.
[01:08:53] <Bytram> then again, I learned from those experiences and learned to have a safety net saved up so I could make it through. then again, one major illness and I'd be screwed, as would a very large %age of the US
[01:09:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, what i missed most about having a roof over my head is soap n water. which is quite odd for a teenager.
[01:09:49] <Fnord666> Of course that's a broader issue though where people are just able to get by and can't accumulate a safety net.
[01:09:51] * Bytram needs ~15 pounds to get to ideal weight for his height, prolly more like 30 pounds to get to average weight for my hieght
[01:10:25] <Fnord666> But any significant issue, not just this one, will put them in dire straights.
[01:10:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we need to take a long hard look at healthcare. i ain't got a 100% fleshed out solution or even know all the math involved but i do know letting the government pay for anything you need is the worst idea anyone has ever had in regards to it.
[01:11:00] <Bytram> I'm just sauing I learned from my experience, but even with that, nobody is immune in this coutry so long as havnig health cre is dependent on havng a job
[01:11:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, no such thing. even if your safety net is a buck fiddy that you managed to save from last paycheck, you damned well save.
[01:11:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> because shit WILL happen. depend on it.
[01:11:30] <Fnord666> You should, but do people do that?
[01:11:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, most people have no clue. and they should.
[01:11:56] <Fnord666> Yo know that and I know that but many people don't seem to either know that or do that.
[01:12:09] <Fnord666> S/Yo/You/
[01:12:42] * Bytram just stubled on this a day or two, link not handy, sorry, but the US pays more than twice what Canada and UK pay or their health care, and they have on average better outcomes...
[01:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> but if their parents couldn't teach them because they didn't know, it's down to the schools. who teach nothing remotely resembling anything so useful after 9th grade
[01:13:41] <Fnord666> True
[01:13:55] <Bytram> In US, doctors, hospitals get paid, and insurange comapnies make billios in profits... what if that was all applied to health care? Could cut the cost and have more $ applied to helpoing people get well
[01:14:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i very much believe we need to drop all 10-12 grade classes and replace them with "how to not be poor all your damned life" and "how to use your own damned brain" and such
[01:14:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, debug mode. ponder the potential downsides.
[01:14:47] <Bytram> It's a lot easier to spend a buck than it is to earn one.
[01:15:43] <Fnord666> They could definitely use some of those classes in the public schools system, that's for sure
[01:15:45] <Bytram> people get preventative care, live longer healthier lives, and spend less time getting treated for preventable conditions
[01:16:14] <Bytram> expensive, treatable conditions
[01:16:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> first lesson, first day, first class: do not take out a hundred thousand dollars in student loans for a degree that won't get you damned good odds at a good paying job.
[01:16:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, who gets what degree of care?
[01:17:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> and don't say everyone gets the best we can possibly supply now. cause you know better.
[01:17:43] <Fnord666> How do we pay for the high cost of researching medications and treatments and the cost of performing the trials needed to get FDA approval if the cost of the drug is going to be strictly limited to the point that you cannot recoup the cost before patents expire?
[01:18:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> that too
[01:18:12] <Bytram> we spend TWICE as much as canada and UK; they get better care than we do in the US. So, whatever they get, but... better?
[01:18:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we also create most of the advances. you wanna do without em for the future so folks can all have mediocre forever?
[01:18:47] <Fnord666> The UK gets better health care treatment?
[01:20:04] <Bytram> why wait until 10-12 grade classes? I got a 10-cent allowance as a 6-year old kid... but I had some chores I was expected to do around the house to earn it... and half of it went to the collection basket at church
[01:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> what we have no is fair. you may not like it when you can't afford what you need but what you can afford is largely a function of your income, which is a very good proxy to your societal value
[01:20:10] <Fnord666> It will also require regulating the cost of a medical school education since we will be limiting what a physician can be paid and thus what he/she can afford to repay.
[01:21:04] <Fnord666> I disagree there TMB. I've met many people who make six and seven figure incomes who aren't worth the $0.98 worth of chemicals they are made of.
[01:21:16] <Bytram> or, maybe, removing restriictions on how many people go to med school -- they keep numbers down, to keep incomes up, to pay for going to med school. :/
[01:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, cause kids younger than that wouldn't understand worth a damn. i mean you can ease into it over a few years if you like but you can't make them understand a lot of the prerequisites necessary ahead of time.
[01:21:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you know how much it costs to go to med school?
[01:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> they deserve every dime they make
[01:21:59] <AzumaHazuki> i can't even see what he's writing but i can take some...ahem, informed guesses based on your lines. and, y'know, all the stupid shit he's said since day 1
[01:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they get to keep a few of them after all the suits even
[01:22:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, step in or stfu
[01:22:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't be a pussy
[01:23:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> Fnord666, the folks paying them think they are
[01:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> whether it's world+dog buying the shit they're selling or their boss saying "damned good job, have a raise", it's society valuing their effort
[01:24:37] <Bytram> start 'em early, so it does nt feel like they are having soethng taken from them -- it's just how life *is*... and keep doing it. regular savings. I learned it at that age. Want a candy bar? go ahead. now you want a 50-cent toy? How many weeks until you can buy it? If you gt the candy bar, how will you afford the toy? Didn't take me loong at all to discover my choices had consequences
[01:25:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, that requires parenting. both rare as hell and nearly illegal nowadays.
[01:26:04] <Bytram> they weren't perfect, by any means, but I did get good ones and for which I am grateful.
[01:26:28] <Bytram> okay, my arms are starting to get tired, so I can spend it working on stories or chatting here.
[01:26:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they tried, they were very good ones. that's more than most do nowadays.
[01:26:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. laters. ima go smoke n shower n sleep.
[01:27:13] <Fnord666> Later TMB.
[01:27:16] <Bytram> yes, I've men more than a few. I try to pass on what I've learned to those who are struggling
[01:27:38] <Bytram> started with a new guy just this week
[01:27:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for the chat!
[01:28:44] <Fnord666> Yep. Always good to see a different perspective!
[01:30:52] <Runaway1956> Talk about stupid shits
[01:30:56] <Runaway1956> <AzumaHazuki> i can't even see what he's writing but i can take some...ahem, informed guesses based on your lines. and, y'know, all the stupid shit he's said since day 1
[01:36:41] <AzumaHazuki> not all opinions are equal. everyone has a right to an opinion but an opinion's worth is judged based on how well it reflects reality
[01:37:44] <Runaway1956> Not an opinion: Blocking someone then commenting on the comments you can't see is pure feckin' STOOPID.
[01:40:16] <SoyGuest48353> Oi! My opinion's equal!
[01:57:13] <Runaway1956> Yes, of course SoyGuest48353 - your opinion is equal. But some opinions are more equal than others!
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[09:36:24] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[09:45:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - One Company Wants to Sell the Feds Location Data from Every Car on Earth - https://sylnt.us - Where's-your-old-car-now?
[09:54:44] <c0lo> =submit oh-those-russians https://metro.co.uk
[09:54:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Metro" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:58:43] <c0lo> "As can be seen, after four years in the White House, Donald Trump had a net loss of 2,943,000 jobs. After one month, Joe Biden has a net gain of 379,000. Looks pretty damn MAGA to me."
[09:59:01] <c0lo> https://cepr.net
[09:59:02] <systemd> ^ 03Cheap Fun Department: Job Growth Under Trump and Biden - Center for Economic and Policy Research
[10:12:56] <Ingar> that's all the extra jobs in the army, need to get ready to nuke Iran
[10:13:41] <Ingar> AzumaHazuki: even worse, the EU *wants* these assholes to join. the people obviously don't
[10:14:13] <AzumaHazuki> fuck that noise
[10:19:05] <c0lo> Ingar, there's also no crisis at the Mexico border, it's just replacing the over half million deaths. America needs workforce now that the spat with China got on the way.
[10:19:49] <Ingar> for that we had eastern europe join the EU
[10:20:08] <c0lo> Ingar. no EU don't want Turkey to join
[10:20:39] <c0lo> Too bad UK exited EU, no more Romanian nurses, eh?
[10:22:22] <Ingar> more romanian nurses for us
[10:26:18] <SoyGuest48353> we never got any, where do we sign up?
[10:28:12] <c0lo> In Romania, of course.
[10:30:42] <Ingar> anywhere but Romania, you mean
[10:31:05] <Ingar> Calais would be a better place to start
[10:35:22] <c0lo> You sign up in Romania, go to pick up your nurse in Calais.
[10:36:41] <Ingar> wehre you take the train to the UK
[10:40:22] <c0lo> UK still has running trains? Or does EU still let UK hire theirs?
[11:42:25] <c0lo> open border policy all around https://www.politico.eu
[11:42:28] <systemd> ^ 03Biden: Guarded Irish border ‘just not right’
[11:42:47] <c0lo> Do the canadians still want to build that wall?
[11:46:12] <c0lo> (nope. www.brickingitforcanada.com is dead, on sale)
[13:07:31] <Teckla> If history is any guide, importing massive amounts of cheap labor is rarely a good long-term strategy.
[13:31:36] <c0lo> Teckla, next you'll be telling me that automation abd robots are bad (grin)
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[14:05:54] <SoyGuest48353> so the EU's going to import mechanical Turks?
[14:09:53] <SoyGuest48353> Which reminds me, I really ought to learn some Turkish, as our favourite member of staff at the local kebab place is a Turk, and it would be nice to get the hellos, thank yous, and goodbyes right.
[14:36:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cleaning Up Space Junk with Magnets in Space! - https://sylnt.us - space,-junk,-magnets!
[14:59:00] <Bytram> SoyGuest48353: thank-you: tesh eh khur ehr duh rim
[15:02:00] <SoyGuest48353> Bytram++ tesh eh khur
[15:02:00] <Bender> karma - bytram: 164
[15:02:19] <SoyGuest48353> Or donkey shite, as we say in England.
[15:02:20] <Bytram> thanks! =)
[15:02:47] <Bytram> that wad learned phonetically, so the spelling is prolly WAY off!
[15:03:12] <Bytram> danke sehr
[15:04:23] <SoyGuest48353> we had planned to have a meat/cheese/nibbles spread for supper tonight (got some elk and deer sausages from the market yesterday, looking forward to those) but to be honest, kebab is rather tempting now...
[15:05:56] <AzumaHazuki> kebab is always tempting. there is all of one halal food truck in this city and it is not active when i am
[15:06:01] <SoyGuest48353> the turkish guy there knows our tastes, and puts only the hot sauce on the kebabs, none of the mild stuff, and puts plenty of it. Whenever he sees us, he says to the rest of the staff "I've got this".
[15:06:16] <Bytram> =)
[15:06:48] <SoyGuest48353> which is why he deserves a greeting and a thank you in his mother tongue.
[15:07:54] <Bytram> there's a wiki...something page out there that has any given word translated into many languages; csan't find now
[15:07:59] <SoyGuest48353> AzumaHazuki: how big's the city? I know that kebabs have basically got everywhere in Europe, but I don't know how exotic and rare they are in the US.
[15:08:01] <Bytram> gtg bbs
[15:10:35] <AzumaHazuki> 200,000 people or so
[15:11:15] <AzumaHazuki> there are a few sit-down places around but being a new yorker from actual NYC i'm kind of obsessed with the trucks. and also not sitting down anywhere to eat out until this damn pandemic is over, vaccines or not
[15:20:44] <Bytram> ich bin zuruch gebekommt
[15:23:23] <Bytram> finally found it! https://en.wiktionary.org
[15:23:25] <systemd> ^ 03thank you - Wiktionary
[15:25:00] <Bytram> Turkish: sağ olun (formal), sağ ol (tr) (informal), teşekkür ederim (tr), teşekkürler (tr), mersi (tr)
[15:25:21] <Bytram> SoyGuest48353: ^^^
[15:31:47] <Teckla> c0lo: Automation and robots are great long-term wins, but short- and sometimes medium-term, can be very painful indeed -- lots of people often forget about that temporary (but sometimes decades-long) pain...
[15:32:31] <SoyGuest48353> =yt humans need not apply
[15:32:32] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Humans Need Not Apply (15:01; 13,663,954 views; 👍295,403 👎6,091)
[15:34:52] <c0lo> teckla, what is the actual cause for the pain?
[15:36:57] <Bytram> Unmet expectations? Unexpected responses? Cf: Law of Least Astonishment
[15:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh god damnit. gentoo went gtk3-only on lxde.
[15:53:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> no wonder everything suddenly looks like shit
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[16:28:12] <chromas> Might not just be gentoo. My pidgin, which is the only instant messenger that isn't worthless garbage, is also having gtk theming issues
[16:38:53] <Bytram> heads up everyone: I will be attending a retreat NEXT WEEKEND and will be mostly unavailable from Friday afternoon through Sunday afternoon. (noon-ish UTC to early afternoon) and will prolly be sleep-deprived and mostly useless until Monday.
[16:42:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, nah, lxde got updated in portage to the version that nukes all gtk2 support. and the old versions got masked. which wouldn't be a problem initially but would become so over time.
[16:43:22] <chromas> Just need to get the gtk2 holdouts to switch over to qt ;)
[16:43:31] <Bytram> Who WAS that masked distro?
[16:43:57] <Bytram> =yt who was that masked man?
[16:43:58] <systemd> Search failed: Key not found: likeCount (std/json.d: 641)
[16:44:18] <Bytram> =yt who was that masked man?
[16:44:19] <systemd> Search failed: Key not found: likeCount (std/json.d: 641)
[16:44:29] <Bytram> repeatable... okay
[16:44:49] <Bytram> =yt if it weren't for bad luck
[16:44:49] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Albert King - Born under a bad sign (02:45; 145,070 views; 👍1,312 👎23)
[16:45:01] <Bytram> =yt if it weren't for bad luck Yee Haw
[16:45:01] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Gloom, Despair & Agony... (55; 945,654 views; 👍4,846 👎115)
[16:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, naw. i figure it's time to give enlightenment a go again.
[16:48:37] <Bytram> nap time
[16:56:56] <chromas> you could also try lxqt
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[17:31:17] <SoyGuest48353> Oh, jeebus - we've been trolled!
[17:31:38] <SoyGuest48353> Marissa Van Eck isn't your real name at all, you've been winding us up the whole time!
[17:31:47] <SoyGuest48353> MarissaVanEck = A massive crank (anagram)
[17:33:33] <chromas> apt
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[17:45:34] <SoyCow6305> Q for any admin -- there is a new journal at https://soylentnews.org but it's not listed in the Most Recent Journal Entries box. Why not?
[17:45:35] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of melyan (14385)
[17:52:35] <chromas> Spam control, I think. You need a few karmas for it to show up
[17:53:39] <chromas> 7-zip is finally available for Linux. Apparently p7zip is just fanart.
[17:58:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> SoyCow6305, also have to have been a member for a month
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[19:17:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World's First: Dinosaur Found Preserved While Sitting on Nest of Eggs with Fossilized Babies - https://sylnt.us - Bye-Bye-Birdie
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[19:55:54] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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[20:46:12] <Runaway1956> https://www.news24.com
[20:46:15] <systemd> ^ 03News24
[20:46:32] <Runaway1956> If true - he's being a dumbass
[20:47:01] <chromas> Right. There's already 1257 alternative platforms
[20:47:02] <Runaway1956> he should join GAB, invest in it, get a seat on the board of directors, and go from there
[20:48:21] <Runaway1956> chromas
[20:48:26] <Runaway1956> apt moo
[20:48:26] <Runaway1956> (__)
[20:48:26] <Runaway1956> (oo)
[20:48:26] <Runaway1956> /------\/
[20:48:27] <Runaway1956> / | ||
[20:48:28] <Runaway1956> * /\---/\
[20:48:29] <Runaway1956> ~~ ~~
[20:48:33] <Runaway1956> ..."Have you mooed today?"...
[20:49:25] <chromas> I'm glad they finally came up with a single command for apt-get/apt-cache but bajeezus, apt is sloooow
[20:53:25] <Runaway1956> Have you installed apt-fast?
[20:53:45] <Runaway1956> The downloading is always the slow part, I think
[20:53:50] <chromas> no. is it more betterer?
[20:54:00] <Runaway1956> apt-fast uses aria2 to download
[20:54:00] <chromas> the slow part of apt is the start up
[20:54:08] <chromas> waiting a second or two for it to respond
[20:54:41] <Runaway1956> Oh, well, I don't know what to tell you - I usually don't mind waiting a second or two
[20:54:52] <Runaway1956> =submit https://asia.nikkei.com
[20:54:55] <chromas> try using apt-cache; it'll run instantly
[20:54:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Nikkei Asia" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:55:14] <Runaway1956> will apt-cache install stuff for you?
[20:55:27] <chromas> apt-cache is for searches and stuff. apt-get is for installing
[20:55:32] <Runaway1956> apt-cache --help
[20:56:04] <chromas> compare "apt-cache search pidgin" vs "apt search pidgin"
[20:56:46] <chromas> Fortunately I switched to arch
[20:56:57] <chromas> Some say my epeen grew three sizes that day
[20:58:29] <Runaway1956> =submit https://asia.nikkei.com
[20:58:31] <systemd> Runaway1956, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (2586420), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[20:58:49] <Runaway1956> imagine that . . .
[20:59:32] <Runaway1956> Oh, I see - I already subbed it, lol
[20:59:40] <Runaway1956> yeah, right up there . . .
[21:00:13] <chromas> Maybe the bot should track its own subs, so it can say "${nick}, you knucklehead!"
[21:00:25] <chromas> #smake systemd
[21:00:25] * MrPlow smakes systemd upside the head with a Rickroll
[21:01:26] * Runaway1956 wonders if he should cook somthing, or just pilfer the refrigerator
[21:03:33] <chromas> .roll d1
[21:03:37] <chromas> #roll d1
[21:03:37] <MrPlow> Roll the dice. #roll 3d6 throws=6
[21:03:47] <chromas> #roll 1d2
[21:03:47] <MrPlow> pass 1: 1
[21:04:07] <chromas> there's your answer. you just have to map your choices to 1 & 2 :D
[21:16:14] <Runaway1956> Hmmmmmm - breaded fish fillet
[21:16:34] <Runaway1956> pollock and/or haddock and/or cod and/or hake
[21:16:53] <Runaway1956> so, who knows what's under the breading?
[21:17:27] <chromas> More breading!
[21:19:00] <Runaway1956> fish-flavored breading with artificial colors and flavoring
[21:19:18] <chromas> don't forget the tvp
[21:19:30] <Runaway1956> or the MSG
[21:28:37] <Teckla> This looks neat: https://cutiepi.io
[21:28:38] <systemd> ^ 03CutiePi tablet - Your Pi Projects, Untethered
[21:29:39] * SoyGuest48353 hates hacking with arm hardware!
[21:30:08] * SoyGuest48353 's been fixing his g/f's phone this evening
[21:30:35] <SoyGuest48353> I've forgotten more about that phone than I ever knew in the first place.
[21:36:22] <Teckla> SoyGuest48353: Why do you hate hacking with arm hardware?
[21:41:57] <SoyGuest48353> because the phone is arm hardware
[21:42:12] <Runaway1956> NOW I understand why Biden fell on the stairs!
[21:42:16] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[21:42:17] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[21:42:37] <SoyGuest48353> Clinton tripped/pushed him?
[21:43:05] <Runaway1956> The vidya explains it all - but no, not Clinton
[21:44:05] <SoyGuest48353> Runaway1956++
[21:44:05] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 31
[21:44:23] <SoyGuest48353> nearly snorted my beer
[21:46:34] <Runaway1956> He must have had three balls side by side, lined up, ready for Biden
[21:48:19] <Runaway1956> Sometimes, you just shouldn't surf . . .
[21:48:25] <Runaway1956> https://www.theguardian.com
[21:48:26] <systemd> ^ 03Olympic surfing hopeful Katherine Diaz killed by lightning while training
[21:49:10] <progo> we should cancel surfing even if it only saves one more life
[21:49:26] <Runaway1956> Oh - it's past time to clear cookies from my RSS reader
[21:49:31] <Runaway1956> You’ve read 49 articles in the last year. And you’re not alone; through these turbulent and challenging times, millions rely on the Guardian for independent journalism that stands for truth and integrity. Readers chose to support us financially more than 1.5 million times in 2020, joining existing supporters in 180 countries.
[21:50:40] <Runaway1956> Ugh - no option to clear cookies
[21:57:38] <Runaway1956> This vidya maybe better?
[21:57:43] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[21:57:43] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[22:16:56] <chromas> rss readers don't need cookies
[22:23:33] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[22:23:34] <systemd> ^ 03Mexicans love Speedy Gonzales and other commentary
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[22:24:03] <Runaway1956> Speedy Gonzales was the only Mexican in Hollywood who never lost - well, him and Cheech and Chong
[22:25:19] <Runaway1956> https://www.startribune.com
[22:25:21] <systemd> ^ 03Canadian Pacific Railway acquires Kansas City Southern for $25B
[22:25:54] <Runaway1956> I suppose all the KCS rail cars will disappear - eventually - and be labeled Canadian Pacific
[22:30:41] <Runaway1956> Huh - there are more and more demonstrations against COVID lockdowns around the world
[22:30:57] <Runaway1956> It might be cool to see some governments fall because of it
[22:32:45] <chromas> Are they mostly peaceful?
[22:33:10] <Runaway1956> They seem to be lacking and fire, to date - but that could change
[22:33:26] <Runaway1956> s/and/and/
[22:33:40] <Runaway1956> and / any
[22:33:42] <Runaway1956> geez
[22:33:59] <chromas> They don't need no fire; they've got covid cooties!
[22:34:14] <chromas> The Kovid Kooty Korral
[22:34:23] <Runaway1956> can't be killint the kooties
[22:37:37] <Runaway1956> In other news - don't fuck with the homeless dude!
[22:37:49] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[22:37:50] <systemd> ^ 03Homeless man knocks out DHS cop at Harlem shelter, disturbing video shows
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[22:47:34] <Runaway1956> https://www.sott.net
[22:47:36] <systemd> ^ 03Baby girl killed by family dog in Springfield, Illinois -- Sott.net
[22:48:00] <Runaway1956> If your best friend is a pit bull, you should maybe examine your life
[22:48:03] <chromas> pitbull?
[22:48:10] <chromas> I knew it!
[22:48:53] <Runaway1956> Pit bull mixed with some kind of terrier - a "pocket bully" they say
[22:49:09] <Runaway1956> but it attacked and held the baby just like pit bulls do
[22:50:19] <Runaway1956> AHA!!! KamelToe Harris is no longer black
[22:50:27] <Runaway1956> now she's an "Asian"
[22:51:53] <pinchy> how convenient
[22:52:05] <pinchy> racial fluidity
[23:02:23] <SoyGuest48353> is that because of all the asian hate?
[23:03:04] <chromas> Yeah. Suddenly Asians are hated out of nowhere so gotta get dem oppression points
[23:15:34] <Runaway1956> Please don't hate all Asians - just the short ones, the tall ones, the skinny ones, and the fat ones
[23:15:50] <Runaway1956> You gotta be discriminating to hate properly
[23:23:20] <SoyGuest48353> what about those fucking middling ones, I hate them!
[23:23:50] <Runaway1956> Those fucking middling ones are the ones I like to fuck. Everyone needs a fetish!
[23:25:46] <Runaway1956> new warnings as parts of Sydney wake up underwater
[23:26:00] <Runaway1956> I need some of those underwater speakers for my underwater radio
[23:29:00] <SoyGuest48353> the mucky ones are the ones I like to fiddle
[23:30:03] <c0lo> Meh, it's the usual decadal spider cleanup in Sydney. We're replacing them with salwater crocs. At least we try to, but the climate need to warm up a bit more.
[23:30:19] <c0lo> s/salw/saltw/
[23:30:19] <SedBot> <c0lo> Meh, it's the usual decadal spider cleanup in Sydney. We're replacing them with saltwater crocs. At least we try to, but the climate need to warm up a bit more.
[23:31:10] <SoyGuest48353> crocs with fricken lasers, I hope.
[23:31:41] <Runaway1956> Baby Godzillas you mean?
[23:31:59] <SoyGuest48353> works as a fallback, sure.
[23:32:14] <c0lo> Nah, just plain saltwater crocs will do. In Queensland works a charm. https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au
[23:32:15] <systemd> ^ 03Queensland flood victim's biggest concern is getting eaten by a croc
[23:34:15] <chromas> ¿Por qué no los dos?
[23:34:23] <chromas> Need both spiders and crocs
[23:34:28] <chromas> spidercrocs
[23:35:32] <c0lo> Can't do. The hybrid can't stand when it's bone dry, which is most of the time, 'xcept n. queensland
[23:36:08] <chromas> Throw in some cactus DNA. I've seen movies so I know genetics works like that.
[23:37:34] <c0lo> Cacti are invasive species in Ausland. We'll have to clean them up and the Afgan camels haven't yet adjusted to feeding on them.
[23:38:02] <chromas> Bonus: The girl from that Old El Paso meme is Australian
[23:38:17] <c0lo> Maybe we should give the ferral hogs a chance.
[23:39:04] <c0lo> chromas, you didn't know it?
[23:39:23] <chromas> Been decades since I saw the ad
[23:39:47] <chromas> I didn't think we had Aussies on TV back then
[23:42:30] <c0lo> https://instagram.fmel7-1.fna.fbcdn.net
[23:43:57] <c0lo> chromas, "Been decades since I saw the ad" - that's at most two Sydney spider cleanup season ago. Blink of an eye.
[23:44:35] <chromas> By cleanup, I assume you mean deporting them to tourist traps
[23:45:57] <chromas> Can't wait for the marker eyebrow trend to die
[23:46:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, that's been going on for thousands of years. it's here to stay.
[23:47:04] <chromas> But now everyone's doing it. Even in porn. How am I supposed to masturbate?
[23:47:11] <c0lo> Only those tourists tht we didn't manage to catch in the outbck, yes.
[23:51:10] <SoyGuest48353> Crocodile Dundee
[23:51:34] <chromas> dat's not a knoife
[23:51:52] * chromas is resident american aussie expert
[23:51:55] <SoyGuest48353> it tastes like shit, but you can eat it
[23:52:12] <chromas> for washing your back soide, roight?
[23:52:38] <c0lo> chromas, "How am I supposed to masturbate?", follow the first line of this oldie
[23:53:05] <c0lo> =yt eternal flame bangles
[23:53:06] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Bangles - Eternal Flame (04:02; 78,667,933 views; 👍532,094 👎13,459)
[23:53:10] <chromas> hm, is there a "vibe check" meme with him grabbing the crossdresser's crotch?
[23:53:11] <SoyGuest48353> I rewatched it about 5 years ago, it's a genuinely funny movie.
[23:53:47] <SoyGuest48353> is it legal to show the movie nowadays, or is it too offensive
[23:56:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Water May Have Remained Within Mars Instead of Lost to Space - https://sylnt.us
[23:58:41] <chromas> depends on which streaming service it's hosted on. Disney+ might have a content warning