#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-17

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[00:00:30] <FatPhil> https://books.google.com
[00:00:30] <systemd> ^ 03Google Books Ngram Viewer – Google Product ( https://books.google.com )
[00:01:04] <FatPhil> g/f's thinks "gunboat" is weird (she's midwest), to me it's *the* term.
[00:01:55] <FatPhil> removing diplomacy, it's closer: https://books.google.com
[00:01:56] <systemd> ^ 03Google Books Ngram Viewer – Google Product ( https://books.google.com )
[00:02:36] <Bytram> FatPhil: gunboat is a truly cromulent word!
[00:03:13] <Bytram> =g m-w gunboat
[00:03:14] <systemd> https://callofduty.fandom.com - Gunship | Call of Duty Wiki | Fandom
[00:03:20] <Bytram> lol
[00:03:40] <Bytram> =g mirriam-webster gunboat
[00:03:40] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Gunboat | Definition of Gunboat by Merriam-Webster
[00:03:58] <Bytram> see, also: frigate
[00:04:09] <Bytram> =w U.S.S.Constitution
[00:04:10] <systemd> U.S. Supreme Court, repeatedly have rejected the theory of nullification. The courts have decided that under the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution - https://en.wikipedia.org(U.S._Constitution)
[00:04:21] <Bytram> =w U.S.S. Constitution frigate
[00:04:22] <systemd> USS Constitution, also known as Old Ironsides, is a wooden-hulled, three-masted heavy frigate of the United States Navy. She is the world's oldest commissioned - https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:06:15] <FatPhil> something in America is trying to push towards "gunship", but ngrams says it's not really working yet, in the written word.
[00:06:17] * Bytram has been on it a couple times. Note: back in those days, a helpful qualification for becoming part of the crew was to be short!
[00:06:51] <FatPhil> I don't like gunship, as it sounds too much like a retarded way of saying "marksmanship"!
[00:07:49] <Bytram> Hmmm, -ship meaning: having-or-possessing-the-quality-of
[00:08:21] <FatPhil> Ahs gud at gunship, I shurts mah gurn ahl the time.
[00:09:03] <Bytram> as opposed to: sailing ship, nuclear-powered ship, etc.
[00:10:52] <FatPhil> Aaaaaah... those are 2 words, where gunship is 1.
[00:11:05] <Bytram> steamship
[00:11:35] <Bytram> battleship
[00:11:39] <FatPhil> warship
[00:11:42] <FatPhil> spaceship
[00:11:45] <FatPhil> there were many examples
[00:11:57] <Bytram> worship
[00:16:31] <Bytram> spaceship steamship seamanship troopship courtship
[00:19:58] <FatPhil> So you're doing courtship without any relationship?
[00:25:42] <Bytram> could be just seeking... sponsorship?
[00:26:03] <Bytram> But, more likely, in need of scholarship!
[00:26:29] * FatPhil plays "censorship"
[00:27:29] <Bytram> OTOH, with good salesmanship can hopefully avoid finding myself in receivership
[00:31:28] <Bytram> whereto? https://l.instagram.com
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[00:58:09] <requerdanos> pretty big difference between worship and warship; you'd think they would differ by more than one vowel
[01:05:21] <Bytram> ah suspect thars places in the suthurn US whar it
[01:05:44] <Bytram> ah suspect thars places in the suthurn US whar itd be hahd to tell em apaht
[01:07:14] <chromas> What about those asshole accents where they say "warsh"?
[01:08:36] <Bytram> from warshington?
[01:10:52] <chromas> Yeah, we have 'em here in warshington (the shithole state, not the shithole city)
[01:45:05] <chromas> https://www.theonion.com
[01:45:06] <systemd> ^ 03Florida Attempts To Increase Vaccinations By Leaving Loose Syringes Around Beaches
[01:45:33] <Runaway1956> https://www.thedrive.com
[01:45:33] <systemd> ^ 03Parachute Snag Leaves Russian Soldier Dangling Perilously From Helicopter
[01:46:09] <Runaway1956> If that paratrooper didn't shit his pants, he has nerves of steel AND ice water in his veins
[01:47:09] <Runaway1956> Chromas - how many people have you heard say "warsh", and where were they from?
[01:48:19] <chromas> A few and I dunno. A teacher and a cop, at least
[01:49:05] <Runaway1956> I would bet a modest sum that they were from Western Pennsylvania.
[01:49:39] <Runaway1956> In high school, a teacher told us that no matter where we went in the world, people would know us by our idiosyncratic language
[01:49:47] <Runaway1956> warsh was one of them
[01:50:11] * Runaway1956 hasn't pronounced wash like that since about 1975
[01:51:31] <chromas> I had a teacher who said it more like "woosh", which at least doesn't stick extra consonants in there
[01:52:01] <Runaway1956> I wouldn't know where "woosh" comes from, but I know "warsh" very well.
[01:53:10] <Bytram> chromas: sounds like a good idear
[01:54:56] <chromas> [angry npc wojack meme]
[01:56:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Encrypted Messaging App Signal Goes Down in China - https://sylnt.us
[01:58:07] <Runaway1956> Signal goes down . . . there's got to be a joke in there.
[01:58:34] <chromas> Can't stop the signal, Mae
[01:58:50] <Runaway1956> I'll signal Mae, you signal Mal
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[02:44:22] <chromas> https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com
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[03:00:53] <AzumaHazuki> ...caffeine turns me into a poet o_Ohttps://soylentnews.org
[03:01:00] <AzumaHazuki> that popped out in about 15 minutes total
[04:10:35] <Julian> It's a good first draft but everyone needs an editor
[04:10:59] <Runaway1956> nano for me
[04:11:46] <Julian> That's a good one, my favorite too. Anything more complicated and I need a GUI. I'm just not that old-school. Kate is very nice
[04:13:17] <Julian> But for the content of your prose you need a human being trained to read and modify prose for clarity
[04:18:43] <Julian> One of my degrees is English with a focus on technical writing so I'm biased
[04:20:58] <Runaway1956> So, you admit to English in the first degree?
[04:26:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Exchange Server Zero Day Hack Roundup - https://sylnt.us
[04:27:41] <Julian> I think Biology was my first degree
[04:27:51] <Julian> Alphabetically at least
[06:03:54] <chromas> oh sweet gods of inflation. federal gibs have appeared
[06:34:15] <Microsoft> You should buy dozens of Windows 10 licenses.
[06:58:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Adobe Goes After 27-Year Old 'Pirated' Copy of Acrobat Reader 1.0 for MS-DOS - https://sylnt.us - still-crazy-world
[08:17:42] <boru> I've been using ksh93 for a long time, but only recently switched to the OpenBSD ksh, and I must say, it's considerably snappier.
[08:20:56] <boru> Plus who knows when there'll be an official release of ksh93 again; some of the annoying bugs are fixed upstream, but when they'll see the light of day is another question.
[08:21:06] <boru> I wished I had switched sooner.
[08:29:43] <Runaway1956> Beavis and Butthead prefer the Kornholio Shell.
[08:32:56] <FatPhil> Jason Bourne doesn't know what shell he really prefers
[08:33:00] <Runaway1956> You may not realize it, but Jesus prefers the Bourne Again Shell.
[08:34:24] <FatPhil> all his config files end 'rc' so I presume he's roman catholic
[08:34:26] <Runaway1956> Of course, few people will accept that Jesus is a *nix guy - they all assume he uses the Great Satan's OS, Windows
[08:34:27] * chromas invents the Kourne Again Shelle
[08:34:45] <FatPhil> chromas: s/the/le/
[08:34:45] <SedBot> <FatPhil> <chromas> invents le Kourne Again Shelle
[08:35:07] <Runaway1956> Le Man, or Lemon . . .
[08:36:28] <Runaway1956> Must be the weird hours of the morning, I don't even know what we're talking about, lol
[08:37:26] <chromas> C shells, down by the sì sure
[08:43:12] * FatPhil gives Runaway1956 his morning dose of Bran Again Shell, to keep his scripting regular
[09:27:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - California Universities and Elsevier Make Up, Ink Big Open-Access Deal - https://sylnt.us
[10:09:04] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[10:09:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Volkswagen Group Wants Six New European Battery Factories by 2030" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:15:14] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[10:15:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03US: Putin Approved Operations to Help Trump Against Biden" (20p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:17:57] <c0lo> =submit https://www.marketwatch.com
[10:17:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Schumer: With Relief Bill, Major Argument Against Student Debt Cancellation ‘Vanishes’" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:24:32] <c0lo> =submit https://www.newindianexpress.com
[10:24:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Four Indian Scientists Challenge Big Bang Theory" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:24:40] <c0lo> =doi 10.1051/0004-6361/201630164
[10:24:48] <systemd> Journal Reference: Arindam Mal, Sarbani Palit, Ujjwal Bhattacharya, et al. Periodicity of quasar and galaxy redshift, <cite>Astronomy & Astrophysics</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1051/0004-6361/201630164">10.1051/0004-6361/201630164</a>)
[10:27:23] <c0lo> =submit https://techau.com.au
[10:27:26] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Volkswagen 'Power Day' Announcements Include Unified Cell Coming 2023, 6 New Battery Factories - tec" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:27:58] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[10:28:00] <systemd> c0lo, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (2582004), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[10:29:53] <c0lo> =submit https://www.commondreams.org
[10:29:56] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo: watch the Putin story get dropped because it would hurt too many regulars' precious fee-fees
[10:29:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "0350 House Democrats Demand Biden Slash Pentagon Budget to Invest in Public Health, Common Good" (39p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:31:26] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki at least somewill read it from the queue. Lately it's what I'm reading the most anyway.
[10:32:11] <AzumaHazuki> i actually considered submitting that one but decided not to for the above reason
[10:32:33] <AzumaHazuki> notice, though, that even when we have direct fucking evidence, people like Runaway and his kind will just refuse to acknowledge it?
[10:34:18] <c0lo> My life doesn't depend on Runaway1956 acknowledging it. And viceversa.
[10:34:40] <AzumaHazuki> he's one of 74 million i mean
[10:35:15] <AzumaHazuki> a country can't survive this, with nearly half its population willfully choosing to live in a fantasy works and a good chunk of the other half well-meaning but clueless
[10:35:53] <c0lo> Even harder to convince. Other than provide the info, there's little else I can do. And I value my liver
[10:36:25] <c0lo> Here' for you AzumaHazuki https://pbs.twimg.com
[10:36:52] <AzumaHazuki> well, the taxes don't seem to be working
[10:37:24] <AzumaHazuki> i know canada's not perfect either, and realistically speaking maybe has 2-3 decades on the US if even that, but that's enough for me. I don't mind dying in my 50s or 60s
[10:37:38] <boru> Slacktivism is pathetic. Why don't you go outside and do something about it? Who cares what people on IRC think about one another when your country is falling apart. You are ineffective because you sit behing a keyboard expecting change if you type enough angry words.
[10:38:08] <AzumaHazuki> why do you think i work in medicine, boru?
[10:38:16] <c0lo> Tell that to fusti.
[10:38:26] <AzumaHazuki> ^ what he said. THERE is your "slacktivist"
[10:38:36] <boru> Who or what is fusti?
[10:38:49] <AzumaHazuki> does fustycrack even have a job? i keep seeing things to the effect that he just mooches off benefits and lives at home alone
[10:40:46] <c0lo> =submit https://reneweconomy.com.au
[10:40:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Over-valued Fossil Fuel Assets Creating Trillion-dollar Bubble About to Burst" (48p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:40:53] <c0lo> =submit https://pv-magazine-usa.com
[10:40:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pv Magazine USA" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:42:12] <c0lo> boru, https://soylentnews.org
[10:42:15] <systemd> ^ 03fustakrakich - SoylentNews User
[10:43:16] <boru> Oh, I have no idea who that is.
[10:43:29] <AzumaHazuki> he's the walking embodiment of the nirvana fallacy
[10:43:34] <AzumaHazuki> except he's not arguing in good faith
[10:43:56] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, see also https://m.interglot.com
[10:43:58] <systemd> ^ 03Translate 'fusta' from Spanish to English
[10:44:27] <c0lo> Authoritarian without admiting it.
[10:44:30] <AzumaHazuki> no me gusta la fusta
[10:44:38] <AzumaHazuki> 'cause i'm not a masochist
[10:45:01] <boru> Well, I think contrarians are good for discussion, personally. If your argument can't hold up to discussion or truth, then it deserves to be discarded.
[10:45:17] <boru> At least by a rational person able to listen to reason.
[10:45:29] <boru> But it's true, some people genuinely argue for fun.
[10:46:14] <AzumaHazuki> he's not arguing in good faith, can't back up his one central thesis, and does nothing but troll. he also constantly shitposts AC
[10:46:42] <boru> Then, it seems, you are rolling with a pig in the mud.
[10:47:00] <c0lo> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[10:47:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Hacker Just Stole $5.7 Million From Social Token Startup Roll" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:48:34] <c0lo> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[10:48:36] <systemd> c0lo, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (2582015), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[10:48:53] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[10:51:02] <boru> Heh, nice error messages, chromas.
[10:52:29] <c0lo> I killed systemd, di'n' I?
[10:52:52] <c0lo> #submit https://www.bbc.com
[10:52:54] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[10:53:12] <boru> Probably secondary emissions cosmic rays flipping bits in the subid.
[10:53:38] <boru> Your average computer with 4GB of RAM at sea level will experience at least 1 bit flip every 3 days, statistically.
[10:53:43] <c0lo> =submit runaway1956-got-nothing-from-it https://yaleclimateconnections.org
[10:53:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Arkansas School District Goes Solar, Boosts Teacher Pay &Raquo; Yale Climate Connections" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:53:53] <boru> With ECC RAM, the probability drops very significantly.
[10:54:32] <boru> I think it's on the order of 1e-6, or some such.
[10:56:17] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, that what boru suggest you do https://pbs.twimg.com
[10:57:24] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[10:57:26] <AzumaHazuki> i gave up trying to effect large-scale change a long, long time ago. i just help save lives in my own small way now
[10:57:26] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08JAPAN'S SAPPORO DISTRICT COURT RULES THAT SAME-SEX COUPLES NOT BEING ABLE TO MARRY IS 'UNCONSTITUTIO" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[10:57:49] <AzumaHazuki> because, you know what? most of humanity does not deserve to be saved. on average humans are trash.
[10:58:48] <c0lo> Like you need a justification for giving up the delusion of being able to effect large-scale change.
[10:59:02] <boru> Actually, I think that infighting amongst citizens is utterly pointless. In the modern day, citizens of countries are fooled into believing that their government and the press are not their enemy, but rather "group X" are, and they just conflict with each other to futility.
[10:59:16] <boru> As for large scale change, revolutions start small.
[11:00:37] <c0lo> That was one of the points everyone and their dog missed from my last journal entry. Twas mildly amusing
[11:00:51] <boru> Got a link?
[11:01:42] <c0lo> https://soylentnews.org
[11:01:47] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of c0lo (156)
[11:02:12] <c0lo> (I mean everybody missed the futility/damage by infight)
[11:02:25] * boru nods.
[11:02:52] <AzumaHazuki> Hallow's another sociopath, by the way. no principles at all, no ability to argue in good faith, and only the thinnest most superficial veneer of rationality
[11:03:11] <AzumaHazuki> also, i find his hatred of all things government hilarious given he works in fucking yellowstone. selling hotdogs.
[11:04:42] <boru> The first AC post there makes a good point, actually. Social media _has_ turned the www into TV, and that is part of the problem. I long for the return of public forums where people can go to listen or discuss and _at least_ get a chance to hear dissident and/or differing opinions and arguments to their own.
[11:05:37] <AzumaHazuki> there seems to be a regression to the mean here...
[11:05:49] <AzumaHazuki> most humans don't have the capacity for information, let introspection, that would take
[11:06:46] <boru> I think that's more of a learned behaviour in the modern day.
[11:08:43] <c0lo> boru, "Social media _has_ turned the www into TV". It's worst than that.
[11:08:52] <boru> People have become very polarised by social media to the extent that any piece of information is sorted in binary manner to either X-stuff-I-agree-with-and-will-read or Y-stuff-I-disagree-with-and-will-ignore.
[11:09:29] <c0lo> The TV didn't have the capability to fight for "engagement" like the SM does.
[11:09:46] <boru> It's so easy to get people to dismiss information now, or to get them to read between the lies, or spot sins of omission.
[11:10:40] <c0lo> Because they are fed with what they like, in the name of engagement.
[11:10:41] <boru> Err, add "not" for the latter two.
[11:11:05] <boru> I think it's more that they've been trained to ignore anything else.
[11:11:24] <boru> To the point where discussion is utterly impossible.
[11:11:34] <AzumaHazuki> this isn't really anything new with human nature, IMO. it's just that the force multipliers are so much larger now
[11:11:45] <c0lo> It's a vicious circle, or "self-fullfilling prophesy".
[11:12:18] <boru> Actually, I think this sort of thing is cyclic. I think societies go through periods where it's like this.
[11:12:48] <c0lo> They are fed with what they like, which drive them into a simplified way of thinking, thus validating the AI-classifier.
[11:13:34] <c0lo> In a sense, that's trimming they "thinking vocabulary" to match their AI-classifier.
[11:13:44] <AzumaHazuki> boru, it kills those societies dead. whatever emerges from this is going to be...very different than what should have happened
[11:13:55] <AzumaHazuki> the divergence of this timeline is reaching incalculable levels
[11:14:04] <c0lo> s/mming they/mming their/
[11:14:04] <SedBot> <c0lo> In a sense, that's trimming their "thinking vocabulary" to match their AI-classifier.
[11:14:14] <boru> To give a very American example, civil rights and political figures from various walks of life were invited to speak at universities in the 60s and 70s. George Lincoln Rockwell and Malcom X spoke at the same universities and we both listened to in silence. Imagine that in the modern day? You'd have one side saying "Malcom X has a criminal history, censor him!" and then "Rockwell is a Nazi! Censor him!"
[11:16:11] <boru> We're no in a period where people simply refuse to hear anything outside of their echo chamber. It's like the dark ages when christianity or the church censored information wholesale in Europe. People were ostracised, burned at the stake etc by their neighbours, because they refeused to hear such "heresy".
[11:16:27] <boru> It seems like we're getting to this bonkers point yet again.
[11:16:46] <AzumaHazuki> this is a major reason i'm getting the hell out of dodge
[11:19:22] <FatPhil> one online community I'd infiltrated over the last 6 months is a merry band of debunkers, which means I;m getting exposed to a *lot* of Y-stuff-I-disagree-with.
[11:21:13] <FatPhil> right now I'm preparing an analysis of a "fake news" claim against WaPo by some righty source which is very interesting, as the righties are half right, but asserting they they're 100% right, which of course makes them 100% wrong, as they aren't 100% right about the original matter.
[11:22:06] <boru> Yeah, that's the sort of binary classification I was referring to.
[11:22:25] <boru> It can't be a case of "actually, X and Y are good points, but I don't agree with Z"
[11:23:15] <FatPhil> nuance is so 19th century
[11:23:46] <boru> I come across a lot of people who can't be content with disagreement, also. They either have to convert the other person, or they are expunged from their life entirely.
[11:30:16] <c0lo> I might journal why I liked https://en.wikipedia.org
[11:30:17] <systemd> ^ 03iGran Torino/i
[11:33:22] <c0lo> =submit dont-visit-it-khallow https://www.theplanetarypress.com
[11:33:23] <systemd> c0lo, 04submit failed: Parse failed
[11:33:52] <c0lo> #submit dont-visit-it-khallow https://www.theplanetarypress.com
[11:34:13] <c0lo> bots--
[11:34:13] <Bender> karma - bots: -48
[11:35:13] <c0lo> =submit editors-needs-to-have-fun-too https://www.independent.co.uk
[11:35:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Border Patrol Agents are ‘Working to Sabotage the Biden Administration’" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:38:18] <c0lo> =submit whatcha-gonna-do-now https://www.marketwatch.com
[11:38:20] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Trump Says He Recommends COVID-19 Vaccine: ‘It’s a Great Vaccine and It’s a Safe Vaccine’" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:41:00] <c0lo> =submit moar-fun https://www.abc.net.au
[11:41:04] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08US President Joe Biden Backs Filibuster Rule Change That Has Mitch McConnell Warning of 'Scorched Ea" (35p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:47:22] <FatPhil> 'Scorched Ea..., eh? 'Scorched East-coast Cities'?
[11:48:22] <boru> Reminded me of: https://www.youtube.com
[11:48:24] <systemd> ^ 03Castle of Aughhhh - Holy Grail
[11:50:12] <FatPhil> boru: one thing I firmly disagree with my g/f on is on the matter of how argumentation dovetails with persuasion. She thinks that argumentation should be persuasive and help convert people round to your right-think. I think argumentation should be thermonuclear truth bombs, and if that hurts the recipient, pah, not my fucking problem.
[11:52:07] <FatPhil> she's tried to convince me her way is more effective, but I think she's wrong - idiots should be shoved as far down the rabbit hole as possible, so hopefully they never see the light of day again!
[11:52:16] * boru chuckles.
[11:53:58] <boru> I think there's merit to both. For Nuclear Truth NT, there maybe several intermediary points necessary to visit in order to fully understand NT.
[11:54:57] <boru> But in either case, I agree that people should apply some critical thinking and make up their own minds.
[11:55:08] <boru> Persuasion shouldn't come into it.
[11:55:50] <c0lo> What the fucking fuck? “strategic autonomy” and “technological sovereignty”... https://www.sciencemag.org
[11:55:51] <systemd> ^ 03Europe moves to exclude neighbors from its quantum and space research
[11:56:00] <FatPhil> persuasion as in pressure, no. but persuasion as in persuasive arguments, are good.
[11:57:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - For the First Time in Years, Someone is Building a Web Browser from Scratch - https://sylnt.us - starting-over
[11:57:32] <boru> Oh, now that is good news.
[11:58:23] <boru> The inconsistent state of iridium, librefox and otter was becoming irksome. Hopefully something will come of it.
[11:58:39] <boru> Err, librewolf, even.
[12:08:13] <Bytram> c0lo: I appreciate the *sentiment* of that pic & statement, but "Stupid" is, historically, a term describing a person's intelligence -- *ability* to learn. ISTM that education has no impact on that *capacity*. Instead, education helps deal with *ignorance*.
[12:09:39] <boru> #weather ebersberg
[12:10:14] <boru> #weather rosenheim
[12:10:22] <boru> Hmm.
[12:11:26] <boru> Oh well, I guess this bloody snow will keep up for another few days. I had hoped to get out to do some solar imaging. AR2810 seems to be the first reasonably active sunspot region of this solar cycle.
[12:19:49] <Bytram> #weather chicago
[12:20:19] <Bytram> looks like the bot has stb.
[12:20:36] <Bytram> #fitectl status
[12:23:10] <Bytram> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[12:23:10] <Bytram> 800 bob 39 19 974m 177m 9728 S 97.9 4.5 50:55.53 rustbot
[12:23:24] <boru> Good old rust.
[12:23:35] <boru> aka Modern Java.
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[12:23:42] <FatPhil> :((((( RIP Sabine Schmitz
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[12:24:04] * Bytram waits for the bot's return
[12:24:17] <Bytram> right on cue
[12:24:32] <Bytram> or is that rite on queue?
[12:24:50] <boru> #weather tegernsee
[12:24:51] <MrPlow> Gulbransson-Museum, Kurgarten 5, 83684 Tegernsee, Germany - Today: "Snow (2–4 in.) until evening." 36/25F, Humidity: 87%, Precip: 88%, Wind ~3mph. Thu: "Possible light snow (1–2 in.) in the morning and afternoon." 36/25F, Humidity: 83%, Precip: 74%, Wind ~3mph. Fri: "Possible light rain (with a chance of 1–2 in. of snow) in the afternoon." 37/23F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 60%, Wind ~3mph.
[12:25:03] <Bytram> =)
[12:25:10] <inz> wrong on stack
[12:25:37] <Bytram> #weather Redmond, WA
[12:25:39] <MrPlow> Redmond Town Center, 7525 166th Ave NE, Redmond, WA 98052, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 58/41F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~2mph. Thu: "Rain starting in the afternoon." 57/44F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 80%, Wind ~6mph. Fri: "Light rain throughout the day." 54/41F, Humidity: 70%, Precip: 90%, Wind ~9mph.
[12:25:46] <Bytram> #weather Chicago
[12:25:48] <MrPlow> Congress Plaza Hotel, 500-510 South Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60604, USA - Today: "Light rain in the evening and overnight." 38/34F, Humidity: 88%, Precip: 67%, Wind ~10mph. Thu: "Possible light rain in the morning." 39/30F, Humidity: 83%, Precip: 84%, Wind ~25mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 38/29F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~14mph.
[12:26:00] <Bytram> #weather buffalo
[12:26:01] <MrPlow> Buffalo, New York, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 47/36F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~3mph. Thu: "Light rain in the morning and afternoon." 37/23F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 84%, Wind ~13mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 33/23F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~13mph.
[12:26:12] <Bytram> #weather new york city
[12:26:14] <MrPlow> New York City Hall, 260 Broadway, New York, NY 10000, USA - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 46/44F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 18%, Wind ~6mph. Thu: "Rain throughout the day." 47/33F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 99%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Possible light rain in the morning." 38/30F, Humidity: 56%, Precip: 89%, Wind ~17mph.
[12:26:20] <Bytram> #weather boston
[12:26:21] <MrPlow> Boston City Hall, 1 Congress St, Boston, MA 02201, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 50/41F, Humidity: 54%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~6mph. Thu: "Rain starting in the afternoon." 50/30F, Humidity: 73%, Precip: 95%, Wind ~6mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 35/27F, Humidity: 53%, Precip: 74%, Wind ~16mph.
[12:26:32] <Bytram> #weather presque isle
[12:26:33] <MrPlow> Peltz Rd, Moltke Township, MI 49743, USA - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 39/27F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 35%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 37/21F, Humidity: 62%, Precip: 17%, Wind ~13mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 42/26F, Humidity: 51%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~6mph.
[12:26:51] <Bytram> #weather los angeles
[12:26:52] <MrPlow> Los Angeles City Hall, 200 North Spring St, Los Angeles, CA 90012, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 65/48F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~3mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 67/49F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 72/52F, Humidity: 67%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~5mph.
[12:27:05] <Bytram> #weather phoenix
[12:27:06] <MrPlow> 2 North Central Ave, Phoenix, AZ 85003, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 71/52F, Humidity: 31%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~2mph. Thu: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 82/54F, Humidity: 24%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~3mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 86/57F, Humidity: 15%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~3mph.
[12:27:13] <Bytram> #weather austin
[12:27:15] <MrPlow> 209 West 9th St, Austin, TX 78701, USA - Today: "Rain in the morning." 75/50F, Humidity: 47%, Precip: 57%, Wind ~14mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 71/46F, Humidity: 36%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~13mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 69/43F, Humidity: 47%, Precip: 0%, Wind ~10mph.
[12:27:34] <Bytram> #weather houston
[12:27:36] <MrPlow> One Shell Plaza, Tunnel Loop, Houston, TX 77002-5902, USA - Today: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 74/47F, Humidity: 68%, Precip: 79%, Wind ~12mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 68/47F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~13mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 69/46F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~9mph.
[12:27:57] <Bytram> #weather jacksonville
[12:27:58] <MrPlow> Union St, Jacksonville, FL 32202, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 82/65F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~6mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 81/53F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 41%, Wind ~13mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 69/52F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~9mph.
[12:28:07] <Bytram> #weather miami
[12:28:09] <MrPlow> 8 North Miami Ave, Miami, FL 33128, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 77/73F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 10%, Wind ~11mph. Thu: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 79/72F, Humidity: 83%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~14mph. Fri: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 80/61F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 27%, Wind ~12mph.
[12:28:57] <Bytram> #weather san francisco
[12:28:58] <MrPlow> Van Ness Avenue & McAllister Street, Van Ness Ave, San Francisco, CA 94102, USA - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 49/46F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~5mph. Thu: "Rain throughout the day." 51/46F, Humidity: 95%, Precip: 99%, Wind ~9mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 53/43F, Humidity: 86%, Precip: 35%, Wind ~6mph.
[12:29:08] <Bytram> #weather four corners
[12:29:09] <MrPlow> 7-Eleven, Colesville Rd, Silver Spring, MD 20901, USA - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 53/45F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 12%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Rain throughout the day." 54/39F, Humidity: 86%, Precip: 100%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Light rain in the morning." 46/27F, Humidity: 61%, Precip: 97%, Wind ~14mph.
[12:29:15] <Bytram> LOL
[12:29:26] <Bytram> #weather denver
[12:29:28] <MrPlow> State Capitol Building, 200 East Colfax Ave, Denver, CO 80203, USA - Today: "Foggy in the morning." 40/24F, Humidity: 72%, Precip: 44%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 52/28F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~3mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 59/36F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~2mph.
[12:29:47] <Bytram> #weather texarkana
[12:29:48] <MrPlow> Texarkana College, 2500 North Robison Rd, Texarkana, TX 75599, USA - Today: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 73/44F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 95%, Wind ~12mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 55/40F, Humidity: 62%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~15mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 60/34F, Humidity: 61%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~8mph.
[12:29:58] <Bytram> #weather texarkana, AR
[12:30:02] <MrPlow> United States Post Office, 501 North State Line Ave, Texarkana, TX 71854, USA - Today: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 73/45F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 95%, Wind ~12mph. Thu: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 56/40F, Humidity: 61%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~15mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 61/34F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~8mph.
[12:30:30] <Bytram> #weather kansas city
[12:30:34] <MrPlow> Kansas City, Missouri, USA - Today: "Rain throughout the day." 46/36F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 99%, Wind ~13mph. Thu: "Rain in the morning." 45/30F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 92%, Wind ~16mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 49/32F, Humidity: 61%, Precip: 3%, Wind ~7mph.
[12:30:54] <Bytram> #weather humboldt, TN
[12:30:55] <MrPlow> 1576 East Main St, Humboldt, TN 38343, USA - Today: "Heavy rain throughout the day." 72/52F, Humidity: 84%, Precip: 100%, Wind ~12mph. Thu: "Light rain until evening." 53/40F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 92%, Wind ~15mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 54/31F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 12%, Wind ~14mph.
[12:31:08] <Bytram> #weather Baltimore
[12:31:10] <MrPlow> Business and Government Historic District, East Wilkes Lane, Baltimore, MD 21202, USA - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 50/45F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 12%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Rain throughout the day." 52/38F, Humidity: 91%, Precip: 100%, Wind ~8mph. Fri: "Rain in the morning." 45/28F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 93%, Wind ~15mph.
[12:31:53] * Bytram wonders... if there is a Baltimore, is there also a Baltiless?
[12:31:58] <Bytram> ;)
[12:32:28] <c0lo> bytram, one can wish the things were so clear cut in re "Stupid". Don't exercise the ability to learn for long enough (especially during childhood) and you'll get to stupid even if there was initially an ability.
[12:33:27] <c0lo> brain plasticity works both ways
[12:35:18] <Bytram> Interesting theory, but that does not match my experience. I've known several people who dropped out of school in early teens, unable to read or write, who went on later to get their college degree and now work in their field of study.
[12:36:13] <Bytram> I am *not* saying it always happens, but that it can happen and I have first-hand experience seeing it occur.
[12:39:01] <Bytram> Sadly, I've seen the reverse happen, too. Well-educated and intelligent people who have lost interest in intellectual exercise, and who are now as tarp as a shack... though I suspect age, lack-of-use, and (in some case, substance abuse) all played a role.
[12:39:37] <c0lo> I'm not saying that the reverse happen every time
[12:40:00] <Bytram> time to get started on my day... back in a while
[12:41:54] <AzumaHazuki> stuff like this is why i'm always trying to learn new things
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[13:39:30] <Teckla> Bytram: *poke* *poke* Do you know how to set the desired DNS servers on Ubuntu MATE?
[13:39:48] <Teckla> The Internet is overflowing with incorrect and half answers to that question.
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[13:41:20] <Bytram> Teckla: Sorry, I don't... I set up my phone as a MiFi hotspot, selected it on Mate for internet access, and it just seems to work. Really don't know what my Android is using to resolve DNS. Sorry!
[13:42:00] <chromas> Most likely using Google's DNS
[13:44:26] <FatPhil> Teckla: it's an ambiguous question - how are you getting your IP address. Typically, whoever's giving you your IP address should be telling you what to use for DNS too.
[13:44:31] <Bytram> Likely... IIRC, I've got Oreo on it. /me wonders how to set a different DNS on it, and if I did, which one I should use?
[13:44:39] <boru> The last time I used linux, which was some time ago, you set the DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf -- that is, unless you're using unbound or dnsmasq or some such, in which case you can configure them otherwise and enable all sorts of useful things like DoT.
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[13:45:49] <boru> I use unbound+DoT. All of my external (e.g. phone and laptops etc) all come back to that via VPN.
[13:45:55] <FatPhil> the resolvconf package was very useful for machines that could be in multiple locations, as you could want a different resolv.conf in each location.
[13:46:10] <boru> As for upstream, go to root servers or ones which you know will respect your privacy.
[13:46:29] <FatPhil> so google's then
[13:46:34] <boru> Well, as you rightly said, DHCP should take care of that.
[13:46:41] <boru> Ha ha, good one.
[13:46:42] * FatPhil falls off his chair
[13:47:07] <Bytram> Grrr!
[13:47:08] <boru> Anyway, since linux changes like the wind, my advice is probably out of date.
[13:47:19] <boru> It's still configured like this on BSD.
[13:47:50] * Bytram keeps accidentally hitting the CAPS LOCK KEY AND STARTS UNINTENTIONALLY YELLING WAY TOO OFTEN
[13:48:24] <FatPhil> You should CCIDENTALLY DO THIS INSTEAD
[13:48:42] <Bytram> anybody know if there is a way to associate (ideally, different) sounds to CAPS-LOCK-ON and CAPS-LOCK-OFF?
[13:48:57] <Bytram> that wold be on Ubuntu Mate
[13:49:02] <Teckla> FatPhil: I'm running Ubuntu MATE in Hyper-V. My goal is to ensure I'm not using $work's DNS servers for name resolution.
[13:49:33] <Teckla> boru: My /etc/resolv.conf has a comment at the top specifically saying not to edit it, heh.
[13:49:45] <Teckla> It's managed by a different program -- some systemd component, I believe.
[13:49:55] <FatPhil> oh, no, he said a bad wod
[13:50:02] <boru> So, probably autogenerated by dhcpcd or dhclient, or whatever systemd shite linux uses now.
[13:50:09] <Bytram> Teckla: good thinking wrt dns vs work
[13:50:39] <Bytram> okay, this time for sure! biab
[13:50:42] <FatPhil> A paranoid work would block external DNS requests
[13:50:45] <Bytram> afk
[13:50:51] <FatPhil> use ours, or go home
[13:50:53] <boru> Unbound is pretty great, imho. You can set rules for what goes to external servers and what goes to internal servers.
[13:51:32] <Teckla> Ideally, I'd route all Internet/DNS traffic through an ssh tunnel
[13:51:42] <Teckla> Which is probably *possible*, if I want to spend the time figuring it out
[13:51:45] <boru> Searx is acting a bit wonky for me today. I was trying to find the list of stubby/surfnet DoT servers.
[13:51:56] <boru> Yeah, of course. Stunnel is the next best thing to VPN.
[13:52:05] <Teckla> (That's one thing I love about Firefox. I can run that, and route everything -- including DNS -- through an ssh tunnel.)
[13:53:08] <boru> Have a look at some of the servers here: https://dnsprivacy.org
[13:53:11] <systemd> ^ 03DNS Privacy Test Servers - DNS Privacy Project - Global Site
[13:53:24] <boru> My advice: don't use cloudflare or quad9. Might as well be using google.
[13:54:02] <Teckla> I guess third party VPNs are an option too. Of course, then you have to trust the VPN... which may be unwise.
[13:54:21] <boru> I use the stubby and surfnet servers: `local_unbound_tls="YES"; local_unbound_forwarders="145.100.185.17@853 145.100.185.18@853 145.100.185.15@853 145.100.185.16@853`
[13:54:34] <Teckla> I have on proof, but I suspect most VPN services are collecting your data and selling it -- including to the authorities.
[13:54:41] <Teckla> s/on/no/
[13:54:41] <SedBot> <Teckla> I have no proof, but I suspect most VPN services are collecting your data and selling it -- including to the authorities.
[13:54:44] <boru> Well, for most of the stuff I visit regularly, the DNS requests rarely leave my network since they're cached locally.
[13:54:54] <Teckla> boru: Ah, nice.
[13:55:30] <boru> My phone and my laptops all send their DNS requests home to here to my trusted unbound server.
[13:56:31] <boru> It's not difficult to set up.
[13:57:23] <chromas> If your Mate VM is using systemd's DNS resolver then the config is in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
[13:57:28] <boru> I have another route here which goes to an external third party VPN provider when I need to "change country"
[13:58:43] <Teckla> For what it's worth, in Ubuntu MATE, you can navigate as follows: Menu > Preferences > Advanced Network Configuration > (edit the desired network connection) > IPv4 Settings. ->
[13:59:19] <Teckla> And, in there, there's a field labeled "Additional DNS servers". Though the word "Additional" sticks out to me there...
[14:00:25] <Teckla> chromas: Thanks. That file does, indeed, exist. And I see a commented out "#DNS=" line.
[14:00:46] <Teckla> boru: Which external third party VPN provider do you use?
[14:02:16] <boru> At the moment, it's protonvpn, but I don't trust them. It's merely for convenience, or as a bridge VPN to another bridge.
[14:02:41] <chromas> You need at least 7 proxies and four VPNs
[14:03:38] <chromas> Teckla: that file will be there regardless of systemd-resolved being used though because it's bundled with systemd
[14:04:18] * boru shudders.
[14:04:44] <chromas> Hm, I guess if resolv.conf mentions systemd then it must be using it
[14:04:58] <chromas> Mine says "Generated by NetworkManager"
[14:05:42] <Teckla> My resolved.conf says "# This file is part of systemd."
[14:06:06] * boru is screaming internally and so returns to work.
[14:06:17] <chromas> 'cause even though NetworkManager suxx, it (and Intel's Connman) are better than whatever other trash Linux has for managing the WiFis
[14:06:20] <Teckla> I hate to say anything nice about Windows, but it definitely makes specifying your DNS servers way easier.
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[14:08:47] <chromas> It's complicated on Linux because of all the different packages trying to make it easier
[14:09:08] <chromas> You can disable the systemd thing and justuse dhcpcd or whatever
[14:17:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spain to Launch Trial of Four-Day Working Week - https://sylnt.us - employees-vs-employers?
[14:48:20] <FatPhil> Happy Propagating Unflattering Stereotypes of Irish People Day!
[14:49:01] <boru> Why thank you kindly.
[14:54:43] <Teckla> chromas: Ah.
[15:03:31] <Bytram> time to go; back in a few hours.
[16:48:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's Juno Reveals Dark Origins of One of Jupiter's Grand Light Shows - https://sylnt.us - Juno,-or-Hera
[17:38:58] * FatPhil discovers "git show HEAD@{2021-03-14}:foo.sh"
[18:25:53] <halibut> FatPhil: Who cares about what foo.sh was a few days ago? Find out what it will look like next year: git show HEAD@{2022-03-17}:foo.sh
[18:27:20] <halibut> Unfortunately, it does not look like foo.sh is going to be any different. Nuts. I guess I'll just leave that project alone for a year or so. (... and it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy.)
[18:27:52] <progo> I've been using git for a long time, and I've avoided learning the CLI for anything but really basic commands. I prefer full featured GUIs. but damn the GUIs are really bad with missing features or bad licenses. and the GUIs can't run remotely over SSH. I've started some projects on my no-desktop cloud server, and it's time to learn the Git CLI, for me
[18:28:29] <progo> if you want a Git GUI running locally, GitAhead seems to be the best at the moment
[18:34:10] <halibut> I'm not frequently active here, but I do check backlogs and I have experience with git CLI. If you ask a question here, there is a decent chance I'll try to answer it (if nobody beats me to it), but it will take a while.
[18:34:55] <progo> any question I have about Git CLI is very likely covered clearly in "Pro Git" the official manual, or the man pages
[18:34:57] <progo> thanks though
[18:40:57] <halibut> One workflow which may be handy is to create a barerepository on the remote server, and then clone it on the remote server and on your local computer. Then, you do all your development locally. All git work you do through whatever git GUI you want. When you push to the server and want to update what your server sees, you only need to run a git pull on the server.
[18:41:05] <halibut> That way, very limit git CLI, if that is what you want.
[18:41:44] <progo> that is possible, yes. but for these web-oriented projects I'm working on, I'd rather work with VS Code (split client and server) with the server running on the cloud VM
[18:42:02] <progo> I have 3 or 4 possible terminals I might use to work on the project, and I don't want to bother with getting all the web things setup locally
[18:42:44] <progo> the cloud VM is my work environment, for these projects
[18:43:48] <progo> also if anyone wants to do it my way, look into Symfony project's PHP HTTP app server and HTTP proxy server
[18:44:18] <progo> couple that with SSH and "FoxyProxy" (for Firefox or Chromium forks) and you can access your project in the browser at "https://projectname.wip/…"
[18:45:14] <progo> ("wip" == "work in progress", Symfony development http proxy's default domain name)
[18:54:18] <halibut> Sounds like you have your setup, then. If you want one more option to try using git with a GUI, you could try using sshfs to make the git repository look local. Honestly, though, for the most common tasks, git CLI is not that hard to learn.
[18:56:02] <progo> using git on an sshfs mount over the Internet sounds more scary than just learning the CLI and related TTY-enabled tools
[18:56:33] <progo> a lot of programs can slam sshfs expecting faster performance and lower latency than is possible
[18:56:40] <halibut> If your connection has any lag, some operations can be quite slow.
[18:57:29] <progo> anyway, I'll learn the CLI and TTY tools, when I get back to off-work personal project work energy
[18:57:32] <halibut> I'm only throwing that out there because some people really do not like git CLI (but I like git CLI).
[18:57:45] <progo> exactly! took me years to come around to it :^)
[18:58:33] <progo> I would LOVE to see a split client-server version of GitAhead, like Visual Studio Code is split
[18:59:04] <progo> and if I get really frustrated I can install Cinnamon Desktop on my cloud VM
[18:59:16] <progo> xrdp is the best remote access if you don't need sound
[19:02:23] <progo> to put my particular concerns another way: I want the live "project" to live in a shared space with minimally configured client tools. I do not want to have loose non-version-controlled assets like sandbox databases to have to be configured and updated on every client machine. at any one time I might have 60 minutes of energy and time to work on the project -- from my raspberry pi in my office; from my work laptop on the same desk; from my netbook in
[19:02:23] <progo> the living room
[19:03:21] <progo> clearly doing Git like most other Git users is worth learning
[19:09:21] <progo> and maybe, some day, I will be allowed to work in a communal study space in the city library again
[19:09:25] <progo> 2030, maybe
[19:11:05] <chromas> git pull from your central server when you start, git push when you're done. Use your GUI on the local copy in between :D
[19:11:32] <progo> plus scripts to synchronize the local sandbox database somehow … or, in my case I'm not gonna do that
[19:11:46] <chromas> put it in the git repo
[19:11:56] <progo> meh
[19:11:57] <progo> :^b
[19:12:10] <chromas> or use the database over an ssh tunnel :D
[19:12:44] <chromas> hm, kde's kate editor recently got some git-handling updates. I should see what they do
[19:12:46] <progo> I've got two started projects that depend on SQLite
[19:13:51] <progo> I saw on the n-gate blog (about Hacker News drama) someone invented a distributed VCS for a relational database. looks scary and probably bad
[19:17:54] <chromas> lol, "An internet"
[19:28:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Who is Camille Noûs, the Fictitious French Researcher With Nearly 200 Papers? - https://sylnt.us - parlez-vous-Noûs
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[20:00:26] <FatPhil> halibut++ for the futuristic git interface!
[20:00:26] <Bender> karma - halibut: 14
[20:00:54] <FatPhil> progo: gitk works fine over ssh -X
[20:04:02] <chromas> I tried running it. Just get a wish not found error
[20:05:00] <chromas> it looks like gitk is a shell script that execs wish, passing itself in as the parameter
[20:11:52] <FatPhil> install tk, you plonker!
[20:12:01] <FatPhil> there's a clue in the name!
[20:12:05] <chromas> heh, I was just reading that
[20:12:16] <chromas> yeah it's pretty obvious that wish means tk
[20:15:21] <boru> Who needs a GUI for git, you plonker!
[20:16:09] <chromas> come fix my vcr so I can watch my Night Court tapes! —Mr. Plonker
[20:23:09] <chromas> I wonder if there's a fuse driver for git
[20:23:22] <progo> lol. "plonker"
[20:23:50] <chromas> https://github.com
[20:23:52] <systemd> ^ 03presslabs/gitfs
[20:23:58] <chromas> "gitfs is a FUSE file system that fully integrates with git. You can mount a remote repository's branch locally, and any subsequent changes made to the files will be automatically committed to the remote."
[20:24:40] <boru> JFC.
[20:25:14] <boru> Please unload whoever it was that wrote that from the Earth into the Sun.
[20:25:29] * progo hits some "nails" with an all purpose hammer
[20:25:45] <chromas> Well someone's racist against Plan9
[20:26:29] <boru> That is an abuse of plan9's concept of remote/local entities, and you know it.
[20:30:26] <FatPhil> sounds similar to the virtual filesystems of clearcase
[20:31:00] <chromas> Everything should be a file. Even the file management and version control
[20:31:14] <chromas> what we really need is curl integration
[20:31:18] <chromas> everything should be a url
[20:31:42] <boru> Shut up, chromas.
[20:32:22] <FatPhil> oh, come on...
[20:32:32] <FatPhil> at least he didn't suggest it be encoded as XML
[20:32:38] <chromas> that's rtp://chromas?action=shutup
[20:32:51] <chromas> .xml
[20:32:55] <boru> Yeah, why not make everything SOAP requests
[20:33:06] <boru> Even better, java ORBs
[20:33:08] <chromas> kernel-as-a-service
[20:34:38] <boru> kernel-service-as-a-service
[20:34:50] <boru> Services all the way down.
[20:36:22] <chromas> service-as-a-service...-as-a-service
[20:37:18] <chromas> Why sign up for thousands of different APIs on different websites when you can just putt all your eggs in our basket and we'll integrate with all those other services for you?
[20:38:01] <boru> Is that you, Larry Ellison?
[20:44:17] <chromas> >:)
[20:46:26] <FatPhil> Hacking should now be marketted as "using your computer for you... as a service".
[20:56:09] <boru> Isn't that microsoft's licencing model?
[21:01:23] <Microsoft> Yes. Buy my products. I love Open Source. I EEE!
[21:39:47] <FatPhil> so tempted to sub this: https://www.theonion.com
[21:39:48] <systemd> ^ 03Study Shows Runner’s High Caused By Cannabis-Like Biochemicals
[21:44:18] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theonion.com
[21:44:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘No Way to Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:44:30] <chromas> Who got shot this time?
[21:45:17] <FatPhil> trollll!
[21:45:46] <FatPhil> don't worry, I'm sure he didn't do it, he was such a nice boy - his hobbies were guns and god.
[21:47:39] <FatPhil> needs merging with this: https://www.theonion.com
[21:47:40] <systemd> ^ 03Atlanta Police Rule Out Mass Shooting As Cause Of Death After Suspect Says He Didn’t Shoot Anyone
[21:52:12] <pinchy> smith mundt modernization act go Brrrr
[21:57:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sacramento Might be Undergoing a Broadband Policy Reboot - https://sylnt.us - one-step-at-a-time
[22:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[22:34:56] <systemd> ^ 03Billions In Damages As Military Allows Women To Park The Tanks
[22:35:17] <chromas> Are they pregnant though?
[22:35:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you can tell on account of how they didn't send their husband to the store instead of going themselves
[22:36:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and with that, let the irish whisky drinking begin
[22:58:15] <FatPhil> that was yesterday :/
[23:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> only if you live on the wrong side of the world
[23:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides, the day still ends in Y, so it's still a good day for whisky