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[00:11:27] <FatPhil> on a 0.5-5.0 scale, the related family of beers they make has scored 1.6, 1.1, and 1.9, so this new one was never expected to be any good. However, the 0.5 experience was quite a shock.
[00:11:32] <Teckla> After one weekend using MATE
[00:11:42] <Teckla> It (MATE) is *insanely* better than Gnome 3.
[00:11:48] <Teckla> In my opinion. :D
[00:12:31] <FatPhil> I think my last gnome experience was about the gnome 2 - gnome 3 transition era, but I don't remember which of the two I used.
[00:13:25] <FatPhil> there was a brief moment at Samsung where I used Ubuntu, that could have been gnome 3, not sure.
[00:14:13] <FatPhil> what are the clearest improvements?
[00:14:50] <FatPhil> I might set up a separate environment for the g/f on the new laptop, as she doesn't like the DWM setup I default to.
[00:15:00] <Teckla> I guess I wouldn't call them objective improvements, but subjective improvements, from my point of view.
[00:15:17] <Teckla> MATE doesn't have a macOS-style Dock (which I dislike); it has a more traditional task bar.
[00:15:33] <FatPhil> Cool. I hated the dock when I had a mac
[00:15:53] <Teckla> MATE doesn't have macOS-style Alt+Tab (which I dislike); it works the way Windows does.
[00:16:03] <FatPhil> in particular the movement of the dock as you moved the mouse to reach something. it wasn't where you were aiming by the time you got there.
[00:16:21] <Teckla> MATE doesn't make basic desktop customizations hard, like setting a solid color as the desktop background.
[00:16:33] <FatPhil> crazy talk - who'd want that!
[00:16:36] <Teckla> If feels snappier.
[00:16:38] <Teckla> Heh!
[00:16:57] <Teckla> FatPhil: What did you do for Samsung?
[00:17:38] <Teckla> I regret buying a Samsung TV several years back. Once a week, the volume gets stuck in a very narrow range of numbers, and it actually requires me to unplug the TV itself, and plug it back in, to get it working again. It's maddening.
[00:18:12] <Teckla> I don't hate Gnome 3 or anything, and I've been able to configure it mostly the way I like it. It just requires extra Googling and messing around.
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[00:26:15] <Ethanol-fueled> jiggaboo pikachu.
[00:26:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Xiaomi National Security Ban Suspended by US Judge - https://sylnt.us
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[00:29:39] <FatPhil> Teckla: theoretically I was a linux kernel developer, but I ran away from the job before I'd written a single line of code! Shortest job ever.
[00:31:14] <FatPhil> I'm on a dumb Samsung TV presently, and I have no complaints. A shop in Finland was purging all its stocks of dumb tellies cheeper than anything we could buy here, so we jumped on a ferry, did a pubcrawl, bought a telly, and carried it back on the ferry (as foot passengers, obviously).
[00:31:39] <FatPhil> in-laws have just bought a samsung smart tv, and they think it's retarded.
[00:37:51] <chromas> Seems like a few years ago it was cheaper to get a smart tv and treat it dumb than to get a dumb one of the same size
[00:38:22] <chromas> at least in the larger sizes. and yes they're so goddamn slow and unwieldly
[00:39:44] <chromas> FatPhil: MATE is a fork of Gnome 2 so it looks pretty much like that
[00:40:09] <chromas> There's also Cinnamon if you want a more Mate/Windows-ish desktop but with modern gtk and whatnot
[00:40:32] <chromas> Cinnamon is a bending of Gnome 3 into what it should already be
[00:45:22] <Teckla> FatPhil: I'd love a dumb TV.
[00:46:29] <Teckla> chromas: Thanks for mentioning that. I might have to give Cinnamon a try at some point.
[00:47:20] <chromas> I thought it was pretty nifty but I like having the billions of options of KDE :)
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[02:21:46] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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[02:56:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cheer Mom Used Deepfake Nudes and Threats to Harass Daughter’s Teammates, Police Say - https://sylnt.us - why-is-this-a-misdemeanor?
[03:37:18] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[04:43:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://hackaday.com Okay, how exactly do you manage to need a rectifier diode that's unique in any way?
[04:43:48] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:44:13] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:05:01] <chromas> So there's a newish Tom & Jerry movie but with live-action people
[05:05:35] <chromas> Need to Disneyify it and make photorealistic computer-generated cat & mouse
[05:16:01] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: It's a rectal diode to keep the Navy beans out
[05:28:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux Foundation Unveils Sigstore - https://sylnt.us - (genuine)-(authentic)-(confirmed)-(real)
[07:00:16] <pinchy> here ya go https://youtu.be
[07:00:17] <systemd> ^ 03FOOTAGE NEVER SHOWN TO THE PUBLIC. Don't believe the lie anymore. ( https://www.youtube.com )
[08:05:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Gravity Explorer Mission Still Unearthing Hidden Secrets About Our Planet - https://sylnt.us - can-you-dig-it?
[10:27:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Not Science Fiction: German Physicists Say Traversable Wormholes Possible - https://sylnt.us
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[11:45:36] <c0lo> What Boebert's Shooters Grill makes: "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. [etc]"
[11:45:40] <c0lo> https://shootersgrill.com
[11:45:41] <systemd> ^ 03Our Story
[11:45:58] <AzumaHazuki> "pain teaches?" indeed, indeed it does
[11:46:04] <AzumaHazuki> some people only learn when they suffer
[12:16:01] <c0lo> =submit https://www.dw.com
[12:16:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03SIPRI: Saudi Arabia Largest Importer of Arms, US Biggest Exporter" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:18:45] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:18:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cellist Yo-Yo Ma Gives Impromptu Performance at Covid Vaccine Centre" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:22:03] <c0lo> =submit the-new-oil https://www.scmp.com
[12:22:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cobalt Prices Soar as China Stockpiles Metal Used in Phones, Electric Cars" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:25:42] <c0lo> =submit https://www.eurekalert.org
[12:25:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03World's First Dinosaur Preserved Sitting on Nest of Eggs With Fossilized Babies" (56p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:34:52] <c0lo> =submit https://www.powerengineeringint.com
[12:34:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03German Steel Company Commissions Wind-powered Hydrogen Project" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:46:26] <c0lo> =submit https://www.ft.com
[12:46:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Register to Read | Financial Times" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:48:23] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[12:48:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Tesla Names Musk 'Technoking' in Cryptic Regulatory Filing" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:49:39] <c0lo> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[12:49:42] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Elon Musk, Tesla Board Sued in Lawsuit Alleging ‘Erratic’ Tweets Violate Fiduciary Duty – Tech" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:07:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Hitchhiker's Guide to Online Anonymity - https://sylnt.us
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[14:58:23] <Bytram> gtg; back in a few hours
[15:46:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Outgoing Panasonic CEO Urges Company to Reduce Reliance on Tesla as a Customer - https://sylnt.us
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[15:58:56] <pinchy> =submit https://www.washingtonpost.com
[15:59:01] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Covid-19 Live Updates: Germany Suspends AstraZeneca Vaccinations, Joining Several Other Countries" (80p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:06:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Outgoing Panasonic CEO Urges Company to Reduce Reliance on Tesla - https://sylnt.us
[17:43:29] <bacterium> i can totally rent a car unless you really want to driveme to/from airport :)
[17:43:44] <bacterium> mt
[18:44:45] <Bytram> bacterium: have you thought about renting a car for someone else to drive you to/from the airport?
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[20:45:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Almost 20% of Facebook's Employees are Working on Virtual and Augmented Reality - https://sylnt.us - commoditizing-their-complement
[22:04:07] <Teckla> Testing
[22:05:52] <FatPhil> What's a good noobish Linux distro for people who are used to Windows XP, and who hate Win 10?
[22:05:53] <chromas> 123
[22:06:19] <bacterium> in sunny mountain view, a car drives YOU!
[22:06:20] <FatPhil> one that is available on a live-CD so that they can play around with it before deciding if they want to install it.
[22:07:10] <bacterium> kubuntu is hella tight, i like it
[22:07:19] <FatPhil> I just had a peek on ubuntu and mint, and couldn't see live-CDs. Do the install ISOs also work as live CDs?
[22:07:21] <chromas> Mint and the Ubuntus are supposed to be good for that. I'd probably go with MATE, XFCE or KDE as the desktop
[22:07:30] <bacterium> oh a CD...
[22:07:39] <bacterium> no stick?
[22:07:47] <FatPhil> stick possible, I'm sure
[22:08:09] <FatPhil> ancient hardware, I'm guessing, 10+ yrs old
[22:08:16] <bacterium> ubuntu has stick for sure, i got one here on my desk, not sure they got CD version of live...
[22:08:29] <chromas> Hybrid ISOs; they go both ways
[22:08:55] <bacterium> kubuntu rather, i would stay away from ubuntu on the account of interface
[22:09:02] <FatPhil> sure, but the important thing is that it needs to be usable on ancient hw
[22:09:28] <bacterium> how ancient?
[22:09:45] <chromas> KDE 5 ran fine on my 2012 or so Bulldozer CPU
[22:11:33] <bacterium> i just installed ubuntu on this gunk of junk: https://support.dynabook.com
[22:11:34] <systemd> ^ 03Satellite A205-S5831 Detailed Specs (PDF)
[22:11:54] <bacterium> oh no i mean i just ran live stick on that
[22:12:14] <bacterium> it was slightly faster thant windows 10
[22:13:23] <bacterium> that's like pre-10 i think
[22:15:02] <FatPhil> https://linuxconfig.org seems to imply that the install image is a live image too
[22:15:02] <systemd> ^ 03Live CD/DVD Linux Download - LinuxConfig.org ( https://linuxconfig.org )
[22:16:09] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - your foreign minister has the Covids?
[22:16:32] <FatPhil> oh, I thought it was our prime minister - I misheard
[22:16:42] <FatPhil> it's all the rage nowadays, I've been told.
[22:16:53] <Runaway1956> Maybe I got it wrong - it was a minister
[22:17:28] <FatPhil> g/f was reading news out loud whilst I was debugging line noise, so things may have got mangled.
[22:17:38] <FatPhil> at least the perl now works.
[22:17:38] <chromas> more like subprime minister amirite drumbreak.ogg
[22:18:03] <FatPhil> are you calling her morally bankrupt?
[22:18:19] <chromas> just healthily bankrupt
[22:18:39] <Runaway1956> Maybe not bankrupt, but quite overdrawn?
[22:18:52] <Runaway1956> https://www.upi.com
[22:18:53] <systemd> ^ 03Loose ram chases Ontario cyclist down rural road
[22:19:22] <chromas> How many gigabytes per hour can the run
[22:19:23] <Runaway1956> 1/2 mile is a long way to be chased by a ram - wonder if he smelled like a ewe in heat?
[22:20:40] <FatPhil> still #1 - woop woop! https://www.nytimes.com
[22:20:42] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus World Map: Tracking the Global Outbreak
[22:20:56] <FatPhil> You yanks had no staying power.
[22:22:11] <chromas> not number one where it counts
[22:22:35] <chromas> last place in the deaths column
[22:22:39] <Runaway1956> Yeah, well, FatPhil, when you get a little nookie, you don't have to stay with it all night long.
[22:22:44] <chromas> loser
[22:23:05] <Runaway1956> Unless, of course, you're married to it . . .
[22:23:34] <FatPhil> I can't get the deaths column to work at all in my browser, even with all JS arserape enabled
[22:23:55] <Runaway1956> FBI closes it's investigation into Anthony Quinn Warner, with no explanation of his motives beyong "suicide"
[22:25:52] <chromas> it's funny that the Show All button only reveals Estonia
[22:26:20] <Runaway1956> https://www.independent.co.uk
[22:26:20] <chromas> oh nevermind; the rest was behind the subscribe banner
[22:26:20] <systemd> ^ 03Nebraska declares pro-meat day on Colorado meatless day
[22:26:28] <chromas> meat++
[22:26:28] <Bender> karma - meat: 12
[22:26:33] <FatPhil> meat++
[22:26:33] <Bender> karma - meat: 13
[22:26:40] <Runaway1956> Nebraska has Phallus day in response to Colorado's no-phallus day
[22:27:00] <Runaway1956> meat++
[22:27:00] <Bender> karma - meat: 14
[22:27:07] <Runaway1956> phallus++
[22:27:07] <Bender> karma - phallus: 1
[22:27:50] <Runaway1956> “MeatOut Day” was started in 1985 by the Farm Animal Rights Movement
[22:28:07] <Runaway1956> MeatOut Day means I should walk about with my pecker hanging out?
[22:28:38] <FatPhil> Has NE forgotten it's a corn state, not a steak state?
[22:28:48] <FatPhil> !boner Runaway1956
[22:29:11] <Runaway1956> Not so, FatPhil - I'm just trying to understand the news here.
[22:30:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.cnet.com
[22:30:41] <systemd> ^ 03Biden says US will reach 100 million COVID-19 shots, stimulus checks in next 10 days ( https://www.cnet.com )
[22:31:55] <FatPhil> this is stimmy #3, isn't it? (basically the second half of the half-baked stimmy #2)
[22:32:37] <Runaway1956> Yeah, the third check mailed out to taxpayerss
[22:33:08] <Runaway1956> If roughly 1/3 of the population has been inoculated, the numbers should fall really fast
[22:33:27] <Runaway1956> IF the vaccines are actually effective
[22:40:51] <FatPhil> sounds like lots of countries are getting cold feet regarding the AZ vaccine
[22:45:27] <Runaway1956> most definitely - who wants blood clots from a vaccine?
[22:46:31] <Runaway1956> Stupid Win10 VM - try to uninstall something, and it hangs and hangs and hangs
[22:46:45] <Runaway1956> Crap Cleaner won't shut up, I want it gone
[22:47:04] <Runaway1956> and, strangely, I have Cortana back in the uninstall list . . .
[22:53:01] <bacterium> "cortana" sounds like a fish bone stuck in someone's throat
[23:04:55] <Runaway1956> https://www.upi.com
[23:04:56] <systemd> ^ 03Lockheed Martin's new sustainment depot receives its first F-16
[23:05:16] <Runaway1956> We need to phase out the F-35 and replace them with F-16s
[23:10:20] <chromas> F-70s
[23:10:29] <chromas> F-35s but double and with systemd
[23:10:43] <chromas> Tizen jets
[23:15:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Launches "Milan" Epyc Server CPUs, with Zen 3 and up to 64 Cores - https://sylnt.us
[23:16:10] <chromas> they already went up to 64 cores. lame
[23:18:05] <Runaway1956> =submit https://news.usni.org
[23:18:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Panel: 'Navy Has Done Itself a Major Favor' in Releasing Thresher Investigation - USNI News" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:19:09] <Runaway1956> For the record, Thresher and Scorpion motivated Adm Rickover to put the spurs to nuclear safety and development
[23:19:34] <Runaway1956> He also put the spurs to Jimmy Carter, who did a lot to make the nuclear navy safe