#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-13
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[00:46:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Wants to Simulate Lunar Gravity on Suborbital New Shepard Flights - https://sylnt.us
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[01:20:33] <Booga1> Sub in queue says "Man Dies of COVID-19 after 3-Hour" what? ;)
[01:24:29] <Runaway1956> OK, I also said "WTF" about that one Booga1
[01:24:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.insider.com
[01:24:41] <systemd> ^ 03A COVID-19 patient died after a 3-hour erection
[01:31:15] <chromas> I knew the erection was rigged!
[01:31:36] <Bytram> chromas: s/r/l/g
[01:31:36] <SedBot> <Bytram> <chromas> I knew the election was ligged!
[01:31:55] <Bytram> somehow that does not work so well
[01:36:41] <Booga1> I expect jokes along the lines of "at least he died happy" and lots of puns on that one.
[01:41:59] <FatPhil> clot
[01:43:53] <Runaway1956> when you go camping, choose your camping site carefully
[01:43:57] <Runaway1956> https://www.9news.com.au
[01:43:59] <systemd> ^ 03Camper killed by falling tree branch
[01:45:08] <Fnord666> He died of Covid-19. The erection had nothing to do with it. Clickbait headline and article.
[01:46:20] <Booga1> Yeah, clots seem to be a thing with COVID. I've seen comments from nurses referring to it as a "circulatory" system disease. It seems to be a huge part of why it's so unpredictable in severity and the wide variety of symptoms.
[01:48:54] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[01:48:55] <systemd> ^ 03Elderly Asian man dies following California robbery, as hate crimes swell
[01:49:10] <Runaway1956> If you don't want to know what race the perp is, don't click the link
[01:49:53] <Runaway1956> If you do click the link - tell me what that tat is under his chin - a monkey?
[01:51:06] <Runaway1956> EF would have fun with that photo, that's damn sure
[01:54:03] <AzumaHazuki> Booga1: yup, more than a year ago I remember saying to my manager "this isn't a respiratory virus, it's a circulatory one. of course it shows up in the lungs a lot, it's ACE-entry, but we're gonna see kidney failure and pathological clotting too"
[01:55:21] <Bytram> https://catless.ncl.ac.uk
[01:55:24] <systemd> ^ 03The RISKS Digest, Volume 32 Issue 53
[01:56:34] <Bytram> ^^^ /me has been following this for at least 20 years -- highly recommended.
[01:58:46] <AzumaHazuki> i really hope we get some new drugs and therapeutic modalities out of this. and increased awareness of the importance of VTE prophylaxis in the inpatient setting
[01:59:25] <AzumaHazuki> there is what tl;dr pharmacy refers to as "the hateful diagram" concerning the clot cascade, and the second-most hateful one detailing the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system
[02:00:03] <Bytram> =g VTE
[02:00:04] <systemd> https://www.worldthrombosisday.org - Venous Thromboembolism (VTE) - World Thrombosis Day
[02:00:17] <Bytram> Aha. got it.
[02:01:24] <Bytram> didn't Nixon have a bout of it?
[02:01:30] <Booga1> Interesting.
[02:01:55] <Bytram> IIRC, if was early 70s
[02:02:15] <Bytram> =g Nixon Thrombosis
[02:02:16] <systemd> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - Phlebitis, pulmonary emboli and presidential politics: Richard M ...
[02:04:00] <AzumaHazuki> these things scare me senseless, partly because i had an unprovoked pulmonary embolism in early 2015. No one knew where it came from, there was no sign of DVT, it just happened
[02:04:23] <Bytram> "In September of 1974, Richard Nixon resigned the Presidency of the United States during an impeachment investigation concerning the Watergate Affair. One month after his resignation, the former President had an exacerbation of his chronic deep vein thrombosis. He also received a Presidential pardon from Gerald Ford on the same day that his recurrent deep vein thrombosis was diagnosed. The political, legal, and medical events that
[02:04:23] <Bytram> unfolded in the fall of 1974 are the substance of this report."
[02:04:31] <AzumaHazuki> and the radiologists downplayed it the first time and tried to pass it off as muscle strain. gave me tramadol and cyclobenzaprine, which could have lead to serotonin syndrome had i not known my meds
[02:04:48] <AzumaHazuki> if i hadn't gotten an EKG and had them notice every 7th beat was skipping and forced another scan i could have died
[02:05:30] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Yikes! That'll get your attention right quick! So glad you stayed on top of it!
[02:05:46] <Booga1> I had a roommate that had a pulmonary embolism. No such mystery there though. She was very sedentary, overweight, on birth control, etc... ICU for two days. It's bad stuff.
[02:06:55] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: so... a blood clot? Or something wrong with the heart, itself?
[02:07:13] <AzumaHazuki> No BC (for obvious reasons), not sedentary...i was a good 30lb overweight at that point (as opposed to on the low-to-low-normal end of weight now) but that alone shouldn't have caused it
[02:07:20] <Booga1> Her diagnosis was very quick though. Fast treatment kept her from having any permanent issue, so far as I know.
[02:07:42] <Bytram> Booga1: good to hear
[02:07:57] <AzumaHazuki> turns out i have one of the clotting mutations, G20210A, that makes you produce too much factor II. in a way your roommate got off easier
[02:07:59] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: BC? Oh, Blood Clot.
[02:08:34] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, i'm only heterozygous for it too. the doctor even said "this shouldn't have happened, clotting mutation or not. you are just one unlucky woman"
[02:09:22] <Bytram> Depends on how you look at it? I Mean, you ARE still here, right?
[02:09:57] <Bytram> Unlucky... you'd be pining for the fjords
[02:10:14] <Bytram> =yt dead parrot sketch
[02:10:15] <Booga1> True, after a fashion. At least my roommate can actually do something about her condition.
[02:10:15] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Dead Parrot Sketch (the original) (03:25; 65,235 views; 👍956 👎9)
[02:12:54] <Bytram> Funny how we learn to adapt. Sometimes I have to stop and realize I did have a minor stroke and a carotid stent installed. Seems so long ago, but it was actually less that two years.
[02:13:37] <AzumaHazuki> "you are just one unlucky woman" she said. psshyeah, tell me something i don't know
[02:16:27] <Bytram> I have no interest in rushing things, but it this should be my last day on Earth, I'm okay with that. I've had many bonus years and my only regret would be the people that I care about and would no longer be able to help. (That does include the lot of you here at SoylentNews, in case you were wondering.)
[02:18:22] <Bytram> break time
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[02:34:21] <MarissaVanEck> must be the internet's way of telling me to log off and go to work already
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[02:39:46] <Bytram> #weather sidney
[02:40:05] <MrPlow> Northern Boardwalk, Sydney NSW 2000, Australia - Today: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 85/70F, Humidity: 81%, Precip: 45%, Wind ~9mph. Sun: "Rain throughout the day." 71/62F, Humidity: 88%, Precip: 100%, Wind ~16mph. Mon: "Possible drizzle in the morning." 71/62F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 64%, Wind ~14mph.
[02:40:36] <Bytram> that's right, summer is over for them, now.
[02:40:52] <Bytram> #weather India
[02:42:22] <Bytram> #weather Boston
[02:42:45] <Bytram> ugh, here we go again
[02:42:52] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[02:42:53] <systemd> ^ 03Faster than light travel is possible, scientist claims
[02:42:58] <Booga1> Darn weather, always acting up.
[02:43:05] <Runaway1956> Do you need a warped engineer to drive at warp speed?
[02:43:28] <Booga1> In the Warhammer 40k univers, yes?
[02:44:39] <Bytram> Just give 'em a pan-galactic gargle blaster... if that doesn't do it, nothing else will!
[02:45:02] <Runaway1956> Mmmmm, buttered pecan ice cream, and all the pecans were buttered by hand, perfectly
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[02:46:57] <Bytram> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[02:46:58] <Bytram> 19634 bob 39 19 974m 183m 15m S 99.0 4.7 5:58.86 rustbot
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[02:47:09] <Bytram> wb!
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[02:49:22] <Runaway1956> #weather Jakarta
[02:49:24] <MrPlow> National Monument, Jalan Medan Merdeka Utara, RW 02, Jakarta 10110, Indonesia - Today: "Humid and mostly cloudy throughout the day." 88/77F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 63%, Wind ~8mph. Sun: "Rain in the afternoon." 88/78F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 63%, Wind ~8mph. Mon: "Humid and overcast throughout the day." 90/79F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 56%, Wind ~6mph.
[02:49:54] <Runaway1956> MrPlow is like my kids - he works when he feels like it.
[02:51:35] <Runaway1956> https://www.rawstory.com
[02:51:36] <systemd> ^ 03WATCH: Bizarre moment on Fox as host sings on-air about his desire to go to the bathroom
[02:51:40] <Fnord666> #weather prude bat
[02:51:41] <MrPlow> Montagna in Valtellina, Lombardy, Italy - Today: "Foggy overnight." 41/32F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 17%, Wind ~3mph. Sun: "Foggy in the morning." 37/25F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 36%, Wind ~5mph. Mon: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 44/26F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 15%, Wind ~5mph.
[02:52:02] <Fnord666> #weather prudoe bay
[02:52:04] <MrPlow> Pruedo, 25539 Naut Aran, Spain - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 38/29F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~3mph. Sun: "Snow (1–2 in.) in the morning." 33/24F, Humidity: 86%, Precip: 52%, Wind ~5mph. Mon: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 40/29F, Humidity: 77%, Precip: 10%, Wind ~4mph.
[02:52:29] <Fnord666> #weather prudhoe bay
[02:52:30] <MrPlow> Spine Rd, Prudhoe Bay, AK 99734, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." -14/-22F, Humidity: 60%, Precip: 10%, Wind ~7mph. Sat: "Clear throughout the day." 0/-14F, Humidity: 59%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~9mph. Sun: "Clear throughout the day." 2/-10F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 7%, Wind ~12mph.
[02:52:45] <Runaway1956> Did it ever do New Delhi?
[02:52:51] <Runaway1956> #weather New Delhi
[02:53:07] <Runaway1956> oh-oh - did it broke?
[02:53:33] <Fnord666> #weather Louisville
[02:53:43] <Runaway1956> Calling Dr. Bytram
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[02:54:12] <Runaway1956> No more Delhi
[02:54:40] <Fnord666> What happened to Old Delhi?
[02:54:44] <Bytram> Did you just play Global Thermonuclear War?
[02:55:23] <Fnord666> The only way to win is not to play
[02:55:27] <Bytram> =w New Delhi, India
[02:55:28] <systemd> New Delhi (/ˈdɛli/ (listen), Hindi: [ˈnəiː ˈdɪlːiː] Naī Dillī) is the capital of India and an administrative district of NCT Delhi. New Delhi is also - https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:55:35] <chromas> thanks, Joshua
[02:55:37] <Bytram> =w Delhi, India
[02:55:38] <systemd> National Capital Territory (NCT) of Delhi, is a city and a union territory of India containing New Delhi, the capital of India. It is bordered by the state of - https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:55:58] <Bytram> chromas++
[02:55:58] <Bender> karma - chromas: 342
[02:56:37] * Bytram remembers seeing the movie in theaters (and that was a rarity for me back then)
[02:57:01] <Bytram> BTW, my fist programming job was on an IMSAI 8080
[02:57:19] <Bytram> s/i/ir/
[02:57:20] <SedBot> <Bytram> BTW, my first programming job was on an IMSAI 8080
[02:58:13] <Bytram> had dual 8" floppy disks and was running CP/M
[03:00:48] <Fnord666> They were used commercially?
[03:00:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.washingtontimes.com
[03:00:52] <systemd> ^ 03Children packed into Border Patrol tent for days on end
[03:01:03] <Runaway1956> Biden's concentration camp worse than Trump's
[03:07:27] <Runaway1956> The ultimate Canadian scandal!
[03:07:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.nytimes.com
[03:07:41] <systemd> ^ 03Too Much on the Bottom and Not Enough in the Middle: Nanaimo Bar Outrage
[03:07:55] <Runaway1956> And, no, it's not some strange beer.
[03:12:34] <Bytram> Fnord666: Oh, for sure!
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[03:14:14] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.sciencenews.org
[03:14:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Latest Ebola Outbreak May Have Started With Someone Infected Years Ago" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:14:20] <Bytram> Cool thing is that I got my start on a DEC PDP 8 and then a PDP 11/70; to this day I recall my amazement at seeing the PIP command and thinking, wait... I already know this!
[03:14:29] <Bytram> =w PIP peripheral
[03:14:30] <systemd> Peripheral Interchange Program (PIP) was a utility to transfer files on and between devices on Digital Equipment Corporation's computers. It was first - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:14:49] <Bytram> =w PIP peripheral CP/M
[03:14:49] <systemd> Peripheral Interchange Program (PIP) was a utility to transfer files on and between devices on Digital Equipment Corporation's computers. It was first - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:16:02] <Bytram> "Peripheral Interchange Program (PIP) was a utility to transfer files on and between devices on Digital Equipment Corporation's computers. It was first implemented on the PDP-6 architecture by Harrison "Dit" Morse early in the 1960s. It was subsequently implemented for DEC's operating systems for PDP-10, PDP-11, and PDP-8[1] architectures. In the 1970s and 1980s Digital Research implemented PIP on CP/M[2] and MP/M.[3] "
[03:20:04] <Bytram> http://www.tramm.li
[03:21:20] <Bytram> http://www.jargon.net
[03:21:23] <systemd> ^ 03jargon, node: PIP
[03:24:35] <Runaway1956> You're just trying to confuse me Bytram
[03:24:45] <Runaway1956> https://pip.pypa.io
[03:24:46] <systemd> ^ 03Home - pip documentation v21.0
[03:25:05] <Fnord666> https://www.youtube.com
[03:25:07] <systemd> ^ 03It's a Unix system
[03:25:49] <Fnord666> =g kermit
[03:25:50] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Kermit the Frog - Wikipedia
[03:25:59] <Fnord666> =g kermit file transfer
[03:25:59] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org(protocol) - Kermit (protocol) - Wikipedia
[03:26:07] <Runaway1956> =g kek
[03:26:08] <systemd> https://www.splcenter.org - What the Kek: Explaining the Alt-Right 'Deity' Behind Their 'Meme ...
[03:26:24] <Runaway1956> Ked is Kermit's cousin
[03:26:38] <Runaway1956> Kek, not ked
[03:26:58] <Bytram> Read the Wikipedia article. Those are the machines I got started on and they were not that complicated at all, back then. I remember them very fondly.
[03:26:59] <Runaway1956> keds used to be a cheap brand of sneakers
[03:27:36] * Runaway1956 doesn't think he can read much more - time for bed
[03:28:28] <Bytram> dunno about "cheap", but IIRC, Keds and Converse were popular at about the same time.
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[03:51:46] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, here's how you can put your Spiderman mask to good use https://sg.news.yahoo.com
[03:51:52] <systemd> ^ 03Lucha libre wrestlers enforce mask rules in Mexico City market
[03:53:07] <Bytram> =g m-w fuelled
[03:53:08] <systemd> https://asmedigitalcollection.asme.org - Development of a Low-NOX Hydrogen-Fuelled Combustor for 10 ...
[03:53:31] <Bytram> =g site:m-w.com fuelled
[03:53:32] <systemd> https://www.m-w.com - Fuel | Definition of Fuel by Merriam-Webster
[04:22:51] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
[05:37:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Move Closer to Solving Mystery of Antikythera Mechanism - https://sylnt.us
[06:22:18] <pinchy> just like voyager is getting closer to leaving the solar system. *rolls eyes*
[06:36:45] <chromas> it's always ten years away
[06:42:03] <chromas> =yt 12 years
[06:42:04] <systemd> https://youtube.com - 12 YEARS A SLAVE - Official Trailer (HD) (02:30; 7,075,046 views; 👍29,577 👎935)
[06:42:08] <chromas> noooo
[06:42:34] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[06:42:36] <systemd> ^ 03RLM Highlights: BOYHOOD IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE
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[09:26:36] <Ingar> see: Nuclear Fusion
[10:16:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Man Dies of COVID-19 after 3-Hour Erection - https://sylnt.us - Bring-out-the-leeches
[10:39:13] <chromas> Dear Soylent, today I'm grateful for social media fact checkers
[10:39:55] <chromas> I saw a post, someone commented that it was fake, but I got a Fact Check saying that not only is it true, but that Fact Check falsely flagged it as false.
[10:42:38] <FatPhil> Young Americans for Liberty = Yearn for masculine bigotry (anagram)
[10:47:38] <chromas> Superstraights?
[10:48:57] <glr> +chromas: You will help more people if you could give specifics about: the fake comment, the facts, and which soyelentnews piece helped.
[10:49:32] <glr> s/soyelentnews/soylentnews/
[10:49:32] <SedBot> <glr> +chromas: You will help more people if you could give specifics about: the fake comment, the facts, and which soylentnews piece helped.
[10:50:56] <chromas> I guess specifics could make it funnier
[10:51:13] <chromas> It was a post about face mites
[10:52:55] <chromas> This here's an authentic, Facebook-sanctioned Fact Checking page which says Facebook's own fact checkers flagged it https://africacheck.org
[10:52:56] <systemd> ^ 03Yes, mites live in your pores, feed on skin grease and mate on your face
[10:56:01] <glr> Going to Fakebook for facts is like going to a KKK meeting for diversity.
[10:57:36] <chromas> So lots of diversity then
[10:57:48] <chromas> Undercover FBI, CIA, local cops
[10:58:04] <chromas> All the departments under one hood
[10:58:28] <chromas> Anyhow, the point is fact checkers can't agree on facts
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[11:48:38] <c0lo> Facts are always drifting with the draughts, checkers follow.
[11:49:13] <c0lo> How about a nice game of chess instead?
[12:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> later. let's play global thermonuclear war
[12:01:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:01:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5514
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[12:44:55] <AzumaHazuki> "baking?"
[12:45:05] <AzumaHazuki> is someone hotboxing the bot again?
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[12:56:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UK's CMA Investigates Apple Over Suspected Anti-Competitive Behaviour - https://sylnt.us - what-do-the-Country-Music-Awards-have-to-do-with-this?
[12:57:49] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://newatlas.com
[12:57:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03IBM Develops AI to Invent New Antibiotics – and It's Made Two Already" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:59:12] <AzumaHazuki> they should train the AI on mechanism of action too. a new drug called Fetroja (cefidericol) works partly because it has a side chain that grabs iron like whoa, which is something bacteria do since part of the immune response is to lower iron concentration
[12:59:39] <AzumaHazuki> so the bugs play tug of war with the cefidericol's siderophore sidechain once it grabs an iron and bring the drug into themselves. sneaky
[13:05:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> biohacking? i approve.
[13:09:23] <c0lo> TV rock star status stolen bigly from Trump https://www.politicususa.com
[13:09:24] <systemd> ^ 03Biden Is The New Ratings King As First Primetime Address Draws Millions More Than Trump ( https://www.politicususa.com )
[13:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'what happens when you call people rock stars when they've never played a gig. you just wait until kid rock gives his first primetime address as president.
[13:36:29] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[13:36:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Elon Musk’s Ex-Chief Engineer Creates a New Car" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:37:28] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[13:37:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Pentagon Fears That Deadly Microwave Weapons are Undetectable" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:38:29] * Teckla is test driving Xubuntu
[14:26:23] <FatPhil> I look forward to President Comancho
[14:29:22] <Bytram> Ruh roh. VERY windy today. Just heard my UPC click in for a couple seconds. Let's hope that is all there is! At least my cell phone has been charging for the last half-hour or so!
[15:07:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - One Researcher's Mission to Encourage Reproducibility in Machine Learning - https://sylnt.us - irreproducible-results
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[15:21:56] <Bytram> I've been putting this off for too long. Time to reboot my Linux (Ubuntu Mate) PC so it can finish installing updates. (I thought that was a Windows thing?! Seems like I'm doing more reboots under Linux than I did under Win 7 Pro.
[15:26:50] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[15:26:52] <systemd> ^ 03Elderly Man River- Stan Freberg and Daws Butler
[16:01:54] <Bytram> rebooting to allow Ubuntu Mate updates to apply... may be a bit
[16:02:24] * Teckla is experiencing issues with Xubuntu. :( OK, time to try Ubuntu MATE.
[16:12:51] <FatPhil> Anynoe got Firefox 78.8 or thereabouts? I'm trying to track a drop in functionality that my g/f's noticed with that version.
[16:13:26] <Teckla> There we go, Ubuntu MATE installed and updated.
[16:13:37] <FatPhil> On my *ancient* firefox fork (palemoon), if I tap alt, then tap t, the tools menu will pop up. On her 78.8 it no longer does so.
[16:15:52] <FatPhil> OK, pulled up another machine, and that has 60.7, and that also does nothing from alt then t
[16:15:52] <Teckla> FatPhil: I have Firefox 86.0.1. Too new?
[16:16:08] <FatPhil> looks like going *back* in time is the interesting direction
[16:16:25] <Teckla> FatPhil: On my version, it pops up the Tools menu.
[16:16:31] <FatPhil> presumably, some time after I ditched it for changing shit, they changed even more shit...
[16:16:50] <FatPhil> to be clear, this is press and release alt, then press and release t?
[16:17:07] <Teckla> FatPhil: The alt t for the Tools menu works both on Firefox for Windows 10 and Firefox for Ubuntu for me.
[16:17:22] <FatPhil> not 'alt t', 'alt' then 't'
[16:17:35] <Teckla> Right. Alt first. Then release. Then t.
[16:17:50] <FatPhil> very interesting
[16:17:53] <FatPhil> thanks!
[16:18:27] <FatPhil> looks like they finally realised they broke something years ago, and have finally reverted it!
[16:18:59] <Teckla> Cool. :)
[16:19:26] <FatPhil> my palemoon is a fork from FF 27, that's how long I've been trying to ignore FF
[16:23:03] <Teckla> My experience with modern versions of Firefox has been very positive.
[16:23:37] <Teckla> I've mostly been using it so I can proxy through ssh.
[16:23:40] <FatPhil> I wanted fine control over cookie acceptance/rejection - in particular the "ask me every time" feature, which they removed.
[16:23:59] <Teckla> Doh. :(
[16:24:34] <FatPhil> ooooh - if you hide the menu bar, the feature works again
[16:24:50] <FatPhil> do you have the menu bar visible or not?
[16:25:12] <FatPhil> and if yours is hidden, can you retry with it visible, please?
[16:36:36] <inz> fx 86: works with hidden, not with visible
[16:38:00] <FatPhil> OK, so it looks like it was deliberately reduced to being a menu-hidden-only behaviour some time between 27 and 60
[16:39:09] <inz> probably yeah
[16:39:14] <inz> because consistency is bad, right
[17:01:26] <Teckla> FatPhil: I have the menu bar hidden
[17:01:35] <Teckla> I'll test again with it visible.
[17:02:17] <Teckla> It does *not* work with the menu bar visible.
[17:02:33] <Teckla> I see someone else already tested. :)
[17:04:39] <FatPhil> modal behaviour, gotta love it.
[17:06:34] <FatPhil> my g/f runs a mailing list, on which we know several members are either blind or severely visually impaired, so I always get them to give feedback on any "clever" things I try on one of my websites, to make sure they degrade gracefully. Modal behaviour is typically poor at degrading, as there's no way to find out what state you're in.
[17:53:42] <chromas> I don't remember Alt ever not activating the menu in FF
[17:54:18] <chromas> Many other programs did that, all the way back to EDIT.COM
[17:54:33] <chromas> Doesn't seem to work in KDE programs though
[18:27:39] <FatPhil> chromas: yeah, I was surprised to see it no longer work, it definitely goes back to win3.x I'm sure
[18:32:47] <chromas> I wonder if they still have the settings menu in either Edit or Tools depending on the operating system
[18:34:06] <FatPhil> "preferences"?
[18:34:23] <FatPhil> it's not a choice! my programmer made me this way!
[18:35:10] <chromas> You mean assigned at birth. It's your choice, not the programmer's. You do you now.
[18:35:38] <FatPhil> assigned at compilation time, yes
[18:36:04] <FatPhil> well, technically when I was linked
[18:36:25] <chromas> Sea, that's problematic.
[18:36:39] <chromas> s/Sea/C/
[18:36:40] <SedBot> <chromas> C, that's problematic.
[18:49:46] <Bytram> FatPhil: Yes, that goes back to Win 95, at least. Let me take a look at my copy of the "Windows Interface Guidelines For Software Design"
[18:51:31] <Bytram> =g "Windows Interface Guidelines For Software Design"
[18:51:32] <systemd> https://www.ics.uci.edu - The Windows Interface Guidelines — A Guide for Designing Software
[18:52:03] <Bytram> =g "Windows Interface Guidelines For Software Design" "Microsoft Press"
[18:52:04] <systemd> https://www.ics.uci.edu - The Windows Interface Guidelines — A Guide for Designing Software
[18:56:46] <Bytram> close enough! Look for the difference between: (1) KEY+KEY and (2) KEY,KEY
[19:00:05] <Bytram> For as long as I can remember, accessing the toolbar's File menu was implemented as: ALT+F but I've found several cases where activating something on the toolbar was implemented as ALT,F
[19:01:07] <Bytram> So, I've grown accustomed to trying ALT+KEY and when that fails, to then try ALT,KEY (Usually one or the other does the trick)
[19:03:56] <Bytram> Specifically, in that PDF, scroll down to the section: "Chapter 7 Menus, Controls, and Toolbars"
[19:04:33] <Bytram> lunch time for realz!
[19:09:44] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
[19:47:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tossing Vaccine Priority List, Biden Tells States to Open Eligibility by May 1 - https://sylnt.us - best-laid-plans
[20:09:18] <chromas> Even better: Wear a wasp nest as a mask
[20:36:46] <FatPhil> Holy jeebus, don't even think of wasting your time watching /Shadow in the Cloud/, oh, man, it was soooooo bad it hurts.
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[21:37:35] <Bytram> FatPhil: Rotten Tomatoes' Audience Score for Shadow in the Cloud was 35% which sounds right in line with your assessment
[21:37:43] <Bytram> https://www.rottentomatoes.com
[21:37:44] <systemd> ^ 03Shadow in the Cloud (2020)
[21:39:30] <Bytram> IMDb rated it 4.8/10 https://www.rottentomatoes.com
[21:39:31] <systemd> ^ 03Shadow in the Cloud (2020)
[21:39:37] <chromas> way too high
[21:40:51] <Bytram> anything less than a 90% on rotten tomatoes has proved to be a waste of my time
[21:41:33] <Bytram> Yay Amy!!! https://www.ktnv.com
[21:41:35] <systemd> ^ 03Life is Beautiful 2021 Las Vegas lineup released
[21:41:49] * Bytram wishes he could attend!
[21:42:08] <Bytram> https://lifeisbeautiful.com
[21:42:09] <systemd> ^ 03Life is Beautiful 2021 - Sold Out
[21:42:35] <chromas> Wargames is only a 76%
[21:42:45] <chromas> Better go unwatch is
[21:42:57] <Bytram> And that makes it official, Guess I'll have to wait until she starts touring. :(
[21:43:08] <Bytram> wuh?
[21:43:22] <Bytram> =g rotten tomatoes war games
[21:43:23] <systemd> https://www.rottentomatoes.com - WarGames (1983) - Rotten Tomatoes
[21:49:54] <Bytram> chromas: yeah, seems like all the reviews were made a LONG time after the film's release in 1983, when that IMSAI 8080 was actually current tech (Like ab M1 Apple, today)
[21:50:01] <Bytram> s/ab/an/
[21:50:01] <SedBot> <Bytram> chromas: yeah, seems like all the reviews were made a LONG time after the film's release in 1983, when that IMSAI 8080 was actually current tech (Like an M1 Apple, today)
[21:51:25] <Bytram> =w IMSAI 8080
[21:51:26] <systemd> The IMSAI 8080 was an early microcomputer released in late 1975, based on the Intel 8080 and later 8085 and S-100 bus. It was a clone of its main competitor - https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:52:35] <Bytram> Release date December 1975
[21:54:02] <FatPhil> one of my college mates had an Altair that was still running in the late 80s
[21:58:17] <FatPhil> I had the far superior https://en.wikipedia.org
[21:58:18] <systemd> ^ 03Research Machines 380Z
[21:58:22] <Bytram> machines back then had HUGE traces on the motherboard (and not infrequently a few wires soldered on to implement engineering changes)
[21:58:56] <FatPhil> tracks were probably ~2mm wide, IIRC, maybe even 1/10"
[22:00:43] <Bytram> the 8080 was packaged as a 40-Pin DIP and contained, get this, 6 thousand transistors
[22:01:34] <Bytram> "The 8080 was successful enough that translation compatibility at the assembly language level became a design requirement for the Intel 8086 when its design began in 1976, and led to the 8080 directly influencing all later variants of the ubiquitous 32-bit and 64-bit x86 architectures."
[22:02:59] <Bytram> The "We'll fix *that* in the next release became, instead, mistakes that have been carried forward until today, 46 years later."
[22:03:10] <Bytram> oops
[22:03:32] <Bytram> The "We'll fix *that* in the next release" became, instead, mistakes that have been carried forward until today, 46 years later!
[22:05:51] <Bytram> =w 6502 processor
[22:05:52] <systemd> MOS 6502 registers The 6502 is a little-endian 8-bit processor with a 16-bit address bus. The original versions were fabricated using an 8 µm process technology - https://en.wikipedia.org
[22:08:20] <chromas> One little-, two little-, three little-endians
[22:12:30] <Bytram> (BTW... the 8008 was released "mid 1972", the 8080 was released April 1974, the 6800 was launched in 1974, and the 6502 was released in 1975.
[22:13:01] <Bytram> chromas: Yeah? Big deal!
[22:14:13] <Bytram> "Big" deal, that is.
[22:20:02] <chromas> Stuffed crust pizzas are big endian
[22:20:16] <chromas> so that means the rest are little endian
[22:20:33] <chromas> or is that little caesars?
[22:25:14] <FatPhil> caesars and indians? is that a game you played as kids?
[22:25:53] <FatPhil> north american tribes meet latin america?
[22:25:53] <chromas> it's how we inded up with burnt salads
[22:29:17] <FatPhil> I had a salad the other day that didn't just have warm duck breast in it, but also hot sweet-potato chips in it too.
[22:30:00] <FatPhil> eventually they'll end up battered.
[22:35:00] <c0lo> Savages. Bruising that sweet Mrs and Mr Potato.
[23:06:44] <Bytram> https://youtu.be
[23:06:48] <systemd> ^ 03Starlink Mission ( https://www.youtube.com )
[23:08:21] <Bytram> "SpaceX is targeting Sunday, March 14 for launch of 60 Starlink satellites from Launch Complex 39A (LC-39A) at Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The instantaneous window is at 6:01 a.m. EDT, or 10:01 UTC."
[23:08:40] <FatPhil> There's only one letter difference between savage and savant.
[23:08:48] <Bytram> ... Following stage separation, SpaceX will land Falcon 9’s first stage on the “Of Course I Still Love You” droneship, which will be located in the Atlantic Ocean. Falcon 9’s fairing previously flew on the Transporter-1 mission.
[23:09:25] <Bytram> FatPhil: savaGE vs savaNT
[23:09:34] <Bytram> ??
[23:10:05] <FatPhil> Thanks for the proof of the Young-Hammond-Baker Theory.
[23:11:05] <Bytram> you're obviously just using a larger alphabet.
[23:13:01] <Bytram> =g "Young-Hammond-Baker" "Theory"
[23:13:02] <systemd> [0 results]
[23:13:22] <Bytram> ??
[23:13:40] <Bytram> wanna try that again?
[23:14:42] <FatPhil> Sometimes known on the internet as YHBT
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[23:16:29] <FatPhil> It would be funny if google didn't know about the "Young-Hammond-Baker Theory", because it was born on Usenet, and theoretically google ownz teh usenet post-Dejanews.
[23:18:17] <FatPhil> dood: https://hardware.slashdot.org
[23:18:21] <systemd> ^ 03The Secret To Iranian Drone Technology? Just Add Photoshop - Slashdot
[23:18:25] <Bytram> So... make a glaringly false statement, and when called to task on it, only then assert -- in essence -- just kidding?
[23:19:25] <FatPhil> Bury your head as deeply in the sand as much as you like - I was even discussing "is this too troll-ey" with the g/f before I pressed return!
[23:19:49] <FatPhil> I was even placing bets on who would bite first...
[23:23:00] <Bytram> It's easy to predict things, especially the past.
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[23:48:42] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[23:50:39] <FatPhil> As I said, you can bury your head in the sand as much as you like, you can't claim I don't have form.
[23:51:09] <halibut> chromas: The high quality lubrication is a good indicator of the undoubtedly-high quality of care that machine must receive.
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[23:52:17] <theanna> bytram: Everything His Fatness said is true... I watched the whole conversation unfold
[23:52:45] <chromas> And we totally trust this is the real theanna and not expert sockpuppetry
[23:53:04] <FatPhil> If I had an account on chiark, you'd bloody know about it!
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[23:53:36] <chromas> should the domain be .or.uk?
[23:53:48] <FatPhil> chiark is Ian Jackson's network. *that* Ian Jackson.
[23:54:03] <chromas> oh of course, that one
[23:54:17] <chromas> the uh, the lord of the rungs guy?
[23:54:31] <FatPhil> If you don't think having an account on chiark is a positive trait for a g/f, then you have lousy tastes in g/f's!
[23:54:51] <FatPhil> The systemd-goes-or-I-go Ian Jackson
[23:55:25] <chromas> An Arch dev?
[23:55:52] <chromas> Just kidding of course! Arch guys took systemd straight up the socket without question
[23:55:53] <Bytram> =g "Anna L. Shefl"
[23:55:53] <systemd> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk - chiark users' pages
[23:56:30] <FatPhil> Debian Project Lead about 2 decades ago.
[23:56:36] <FatPhil> wrote dpkg
[23:57:08] <chromas> I guess I never knew is surname
[23:57:13] <chromas> only his misname
[23:58:02] <Bytram> This is proving to be a goose chase and I have more useful things to do on a weekend than waste energy on this
[23:58:37] <chromas> I gave up too; that's why I'm running systemd now
[23:59:56] <FatPhil> chromas: I hope your "Arch dev" comment was a troll too. I have no idea if he's ever dipped his toe in that pool