#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-12

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[00:00:22] <kyonko> 512k for the original mac
[00:00:26] <kyonko> the 1984 mac
[00:00:32] <Runaway1956> I remember staying up most of one night learning how to multi-config DOS so that I COULD play games
[00:00:57] <Runaway1956> Can't remember for certain, I think that was DOS 5.0
[00:00:59] <kyonko> problem with dos games is that you never had enough ram
[00:01:10] <kyonko> and adding ram wasn't easy or cheap
[00:01:30] <kyonko> I had a 286 that could talk
[00:01:31] <kyonko> lol
[00:01:42] <kyonko> Interplay!
[00:01:58] <Runaway1956> I still have a 286 laptop government model lying around somewhere
[00:02:16] <kyonko> 286 laptop is just fancy pants for a terminal
[00:02:23] <kyonko> does it have a serial port?
[00:02:43] <Runaway1956> It started life as a military machine, got handed off to the Department of Agriculture, and I got it when it was tossed
[00:03:12] <Runaway1956> Serial port? yeah, it did
[00:03:18] <Runaway1956> or does
[00:03:32] <Runaway1956> Not much more
[00:03:43] <Runaway1956> two COM ports and a serial I think
[00:04:39] <kyonko> hay hay two toms and a landbeaver
[00:04:42] <kyonko> (ground hog)
[00:04:58] <kyonko> Linux did DOS COM ports
[00:05:06] <kyonko> it always came down to DOS
[00:05:28] <kyonko> even BSD needs a DOS foundation, fuck
[00:06:05] <kyonko> good news lads! grub4dos works inside a UEFI fat32 partition
[00:06:12] <kyonko> because its uhm, DOS
[00:08:01] <kyonko> I think I've had better performance from systemd(eath) than openrc here
[00:08:13] <kyonko> blasphemy!
[00:08:51] <Runaway1956> If eating donkey balls is a thing, systemd probably outperforms everything else
[00:08:59] <kyonko> google chrome just OOM'ed and disappeared
[00:09:20] <Runaway1956> install another 64 gig of memory
[00:09:26] <AzumaHazuki> try firefox instead? or falkon maybe
[00:10:39] <kyonko> oh firefox is worse
[00:10:47] <kyonko> that actually locked up this openrc distro
[00:11:05] <kyonko> am not sure if I have journalling enabled
[00:11:23] <Runaway1956> Well, upgrade to a 386 or a 486 CPU
[00:12:12] <Runaway1956> I was so excited when I brought my first 386 home
[00:12:52] <Runaway1956> I was able to install Windows on top of DOS 3.2
[00:12:58] <kyonko> I had most fun with a 386 and a cd-rom
[00:13:15] <Runaway1956> then later, Windows on DOS 5.0, the DOS 6.2 and 6.22
[00:13:23] <kyonko> FINAL DOS
[00:13:32] <kyonko> terminal DOS
[00:13:38] <Runaway1956> Then Microsoft broke everything with Windows 95
[00:13:48] <kyonko> look at how wretched FreeDOS is, no drivers at all
[00:13:57] <kyonko> it needs the damn USB BIOS
[00:14:17] <Runaway1956> haven't even looked at it in years
[00:15:18] <kyonko> how big is a modern USB enabled BIOS?
[00:15:41] <Runaway1956> Smaller than a walnut I think
[00:16:09] <Runaway1956> it fits on a modem, and a raspberry pie
[00:16:33] <kyonko> do modems need a dial tone to work?
[00:17:08] <Runaway1956> Uhhhh - to work how? With no dial tone, you can't get dial up or DSL
[00:17:24] <Runaway1956> But, the rest of the box works fine as a router
[00:17:29] <kyonko> yea the modem expects to pick up the line
[00:17:38] <kyonko> off hook
[00:17:41] <kyonko> dial
[00:17:50] <kyonko> you need to electrically emulate a PSTN
[00:18:06] <kyonko> but its so slow you can't even believe
[00:18:24] <kyonko> you will have to thumbnail the shit out of images
[00:19:09] * Runaway1956 thinks a nap would be nice
[00:22:43] <kyonko> how do we make slow internet bad ass?
[00:26:20] <kyonko> slackel linux won't allow me to log in as root
[00:27:28] <kyonko> have FreeBSD install on the first partition of Disk0, but no VBR for it and slackel overwrote the mbr with lilo
[00:27:54] <kyonko> so freebsd 12.2 comes useless out of the box, unless you go for ZFS on the whole drive
[00:28:33] <kyonko> all this so I can mount ext3
[00:28:45] <kyonko> but linus doesn't approve of ZFS
[00:30:39] <kyonko> why is "sudo bash" even a thing
[00:31:29] <AzumaHazuki> why wouldn't it be?
[00:32:52] <kyonko> why are more and more distros denying root logins?
[00:40:39] <kyonko> its weird, but systemd is oddly smooth
[00:44:06] <AzumaHazuki> until it's not
[00:44:29] <kyonko> yeah, but its "not bad"
[00:44:58] <kyonko> like BTRFS
[00:45:15] <kyonko> you can have major blow ups with BTRFS
[00:45:53] <kyonko> I haven't yet grasped the niche that btrfs and zfs are for
[00:46:36] <kyonko> so you want to run raid from a USB HUB
[00:48:01] <kyonko> I don't own any USB 3.0 devices
[00:48:12] <kyonko> or USB-C
[00:54:02] <kyonko> this distro feels really really funky compared to opensuse or linux mint
[00:57:15] <kyonko> chromeos uses x11
[00:57:25] <kyonko> the end users doesn't know its x11
[00:57:50] <kyonko> just spin up the discord app for chat
[01:03:40] <kyonko> opensuse doesn't include in its base distro any way to compile anything from source
[01:04:25] <AzumaHazuki> public service announcement: IRC is not a microblogging platform
[01:05:44] <kyonko> ok barbara hudson
[01:09:21] <AzumaHazuki> ...wut
[02:06:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Keppel and Sumitomo to Develop Ammonia as Ship Fuel in Singapore - https://sylnt.us - keep-away-from-bleach
[02:09:57] <Runaway1956> LOL barbara
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[03:07:58] <kyonko> wow that is some dangerous fucking fuel
[03:08:22] <kyonko> while gasoline will just impair your judgement, ammonia will kill you dead fast
[03:08:50] <kyonko> you notice they use propane/butane for refrigerant gas now
[03:10:29] <kyonko> its like, yeah we can use hydrogen for motor fuel, but how do you make glass elastic?
[03:10:55] <kyonko> Hydrogen, the magical bondable element
[03:14:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://techraptor.net
[03:14:25] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[03:14:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[03:15:35] <kyonko> a mandatory delay?
[03:20:47] <AzumaHazuki> probably to avoid either collisions or buffer overflows
[03:27:23] <Bytram> kyonko: AzumaHazuki: As I understand it, when the API was developed, there was concern that it could be abused and someone could spam the story submission queue.
[03:28:00] <kyonko> Do you program in API?
[03:28:28] <Bytram> Rate limiting was implemented to make such activity less effective.
[03:28:39] <Bytram> kyonko: sense no makes.
[03:28:49] <kyonko> It's a recruiter question
[03:29:19] <Bytram> Nor, for that matter, have I ever programmed in APL.
[03:29:25] <Bytram> =w APL
[03:29:26] <systemd> APL is an abbreviation, acronym, or initialism that may refer to: APL (shipping company), a Singapore-based container and shipping company Aden Protectorate - https://en.wikipedia.org
[03:29:37] <Bytram> =w APL computer language
[03:29:38] <systemd> APL (named after the book A Programming Language) is a programming language developed in the 1960s by Kenneth E. Iverson. Its central datatype is the - https://en.wikipedia.org(programming_language)
[03:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's the same delay the web submission code uses as a speedbump. you just don't notice it if you're not playing silly buggers.
[03:31:00] <Bytram> that said, I have seen APL terminals (IBM) and a few snippets of programs -- weirdest programs I've ever seen!
[03:31:33] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for the explainer!
[03:34:49] <kyonko> Aden Protectorate?
[03:34:51] <kyonko> thats yemen
[03:35:00] <kyonko> and I know the APL logo, its a spread eagle
[03:35:46] <kyonko> it looked really american
[04:35:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - OVH Data Center Burns Down Knocking Major Sites Offline - https://sylnt.us
[04:52:04] <chromas> Time for APL++
[04:52:07] <chromas> the logo is a goatse
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[05:43:41] <progo> I never looked into APL. we need more non-ASCII languages now.
[05:43:58] <progo> wikipedia: conway's game of life one liner: life←{↑1 ⍵∨.∧3 4=+/,¯1 0 1∘.⊖¯1 0 1∘.⌽⊂⍵}
[05:44:18] <progo> remote HTML tags: txt←'<html><body><p>This is <em>emphasized</em> text.</p></body></html>'
[05:44:18] <progo> {⍵ /⍨ ~{⍵∨≠\⍵}⍵∊'<>'} txt
[05:44:40] <progo> ⍨ ⍨ ⍨
[05:45:02] <progo> it's better than regex!
[05:57:45] <kyonko> how do you bootstrap?
[05:57:48] <kyonko> or is it chinstrap?
[05:57:57] <kyonko> since BSD can't do infiniband
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[06:33:12] <FatPhil> I can imagine "do you program in XML" being a recruiter question
[06:33:41] <chromas> Makes more sense than using javascript on the web
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[06:51:14] <chromas> =taco Subsentient
[06:51:15] * systemd signs Subsentient up for a lifetime subscription of tacos
[06:51:22] <Subsentient> $burrito chromas
[06:51:34] <chromas> clogged burrito chute :(
[06:51:36] <Subsentient> Aww
[06:51:58] <Subsentient> btb
[06:52:00] <Subsentient> brb*
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[06:52:25] <chromas> $burrito Subsentient
[06:52:25] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[06:52:27] <Subsentient> $burrito chromas
[06:52:27] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[06:52:33] * chromas nods in chunky vomit
[06:52:43] <Subsentient> As it was meant to be
[06:54:58] <Subsentient> chromas: Thanks for the video, it will make a fine addition to my collection.
[06:55:17] <chromas> :D
[06:57:15] <FatPhil> disagree, a DOM is best manipulated in an OO language.
[06:57:46] <chromas> disagree. everything on the web should be declarative
[06:58:21] <chromas> web browsers need to be 35 gigabytes so that XML can declare every possible function I dream up
[06:59:40] <FatPhil> I would want any language used to be able to express any possible function anyone could dream up.
[07:00:27] <FatPhil> a dataflow language would be nice, I'll grant you that
[07:01:16] <FatPhil> Here's your project - implement a browser in something like MS Excel - that's declarative!
[07:01:17] <chromas> xml, but the data processing nodes are just command line tools connected with pipes and sockets
[07:01:45] <FatPhil> Nah, use CSV for shitzngigs
[07:02:14] <chromas> hm, is there a spreadsheet function for grabbing something from the internets or do I have to implement it in VBA?
[07:02:25] <chromas> =curl()
[07:02:45] <FatPhil> you're asking the wrong guy
[07:02:56] <chromas> quattro pro's better anyhow
[07:03:05] <FatPhil> foxpro was better
[07:03:18] <FatPhil> was quatro the borland thng?
[07:03:19] <chromas> it's go pro in the name but is it a spreadsheet tool?
[07:03:27] <chromas> yeah
[07:03:34] <chromas> now it's corel
[07:03:35] <FatPhil> foxpro was a proper DBL
[07:03:44] <chromas> proper? wasn't it microsoft?
[07:03:51] <Microsoft> Why you ping me?
[07:03:52] <FatPhil> EEE
[07:04:38] <FatPhil> Microsoft: we will ping your knicker elastic incrementally until you get the wedgie you deserve
[07:05:07] <chromas> ah, so like most of MS's products back in the day, they just bought someone else's toy?
[07:05:28] <FatPhil> I was using FoxPro for at least half a decade before MS realised it was a real threat, so they had to EEE it.
[07:06:06] <FatPhil> Horrible language. All DBLs are. Never let a database person design the language used to perform the abstract functionality he envisions.
[07:06:50] <chromas> so wait, is Azure a good thing? We want Microsoft to embrace the cloud...I think?
[07:07:12] <chromas> Extinguish the cloud
[07:08:25] <Microsoft> First I must extinguish the github with SourceSafe Azure Plus Pro
[07:09:10] <Microsoft> and you, FatPhil! watch yourself or I shall replace you with a very large, slowly executing PowerShell Script
[07:09:18] <FatPhil> On one of my websites, I've extended the framework's "simple" query builder with enough knobs and switches that it can create practically any query I've thus far needed, simply using perl datastructures: {table=>'users', fields=>['id','name','age'], .where=>{...}, ... } - but can even do joins too.
[07:09:45] <FatPhil> Every time I feel tempted to write SQL, I extend my query builder so that I don't have to!
[07:10:10] <chromas> We just need object-oriented SQL
[07:10:57] <FatPhil> the smallest query I've needed to hand-write so far, when pretty-printed, is about 12 lines long. Anything shorter is just a hash.
[07:11:49] <chromas> How's about some NoSQL? Everything is a JSON!
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[07:12:36] <chromas> I tried to implement my news feed using elasticsearch as the db for fun but the server's 4GB of ram wasn't enough to run it I guess
[07:14:32] <FatPhil> NoSQL is just taking back DB technology 50 years.
[07:14:42] <Microsoft> Should have used Microsoft SQL Server. It powered Terraserver, you know.
[07:14:53] <FatPhil> Eventually they'll want to make it more functional, and it will evolve forward into being relational again.
[07:15:18] <Microsoft> The only way to move forward is to move back.
[07:15:23] <Microsoft> Back and to the left. Back and to the left.
[07:15:39] <FatPhil> and then a step to the right
[07:15:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Molson Coors Brewing Operations Disrupted by Cyberattack - https://sylnt.us - unbeerable-situation
[07:16:12] <chromas> I always thought of Coors as a super white trash brand
[07:16:14] <FatPhil> Secure Connection Failed
[07:16:14] <FatPhil> An error occurred during a connection to sylnt.us.
[07:16:14] <FatPhil> The OCSP server suggests trying again later.
[07:16:14] <FatPhil> (Error code: sec_error_ocsp_try_server_later)
[07:16:37] <chromas> No error here
[07:16:40] <FatPhil> Is "security" breaking my web again?
[07:16:58] <chromas> Probably. Still getting that error?
[07:17:18] <FatPhil> Some fuckwads don't realise that accessibility is part of security.
[07:17:28] <FatPhil> load repeated it
[07:17:31] <FatPhil> +re
[07:17:36] <chromas> I thought convenience was supposed to be opposed to security
[07:18:08] <FatPhil> This is why vulnerability to DoS is a considered a security problem.
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[07:18:38] <chromas> Maybe you're being DoSed by the cert master
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[07:19:37] <FatPhil> At the time, there's no difference between "can't access the data I wanted (because hacker has deleted it)" and "can't access the data I wanted (because server inaccessible)" - both result in "can't access the data I wanted".
[07:19:51] <chromas> Huh, I just discovered Digital Blasphemy has a Farcebook page
[07:19:58] <chromas> the wallpaper guy
[07:21:40] <FatPhil> on't think I know hat
[07:42:35] <FatPhil> still teh failz
[07:42:42] <FatPhil> I wants my Miller Coors!
[07:50:45] <chromas> does the regular domain work?
[07:50:57] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[07:50:58] <systemd> ^ 03Molson Coors Brewing Operations Disrupted by Cyberattack - SoylentNews
[07:52:26] <chromas> oi
[07:52:44] <chromas> systemd's near to overhauling Phoenixx=666 as most active submitter
[07:52:56] <chromas> huh, turns out = isn't the backspace key
[07:55:32] <FatPhil> you want to use the black-space key
[07:56:02] <FatPhil> chromas: regular domain works fine. posted my beer-nerdery there already!
[08:04:02] <FatPhil> not that corporate bullshit has got anything to do with beer, but I kinda imply that in the post.
[08:06:48] <FatPhil> Went to the brewpub yesterday - we've decided that there's no point opening the bar or kitchen even for weekday lunches (which is all restaurants are allowed to do nowadays). So the lights were low, and it all looked a bit depressing as we sat their drinking our beers (obviously, just because punters aren't allowed, doesn't mean owners can't have a pint!)
[08:07:11] <chromas> Is there a genealogy graph for big brand beer like they have for Linux distros?
[08:07:26] <FatPhil> Fortunately, the brewing staff were all there, so it did look "alive".
[08:07:48] <chromas> Need to start delivery
[08:07:50] <FatPhil> someone should draw one - good idea.!
[08:07:59] <FatPhil> we have a webshop, that's open for pickup
[08:08:04] <chromas> lager-to-the-home networking
[08:08:18] <FatPhil> pint-to-pint networking, you mean?
[08:08:27] <chromas> good p(o)int
[08:08:34] <chromas> be sure to quintuple-mask tho
[08:08:55] <FatPhil> Make sure you have packet-of-crisps filtering
[08:09:04] <FatPhil> in particular on egress
[08:09:22] <chromas> do Brits say "crisp on your shoulder"?
[08:09:46] <FatPhil> no, because it's chips that one has on ones shoulders
[08:10:05] <chromas> and crisps of lead paint
[08:10:10] <FatPhil> we don't say "a crisp off the old block" either
[08:10:36] <FatPhil> or "I'm feeing really crisper this morning"
[08:10:52] <chromas> well yeah but those are microchips falling off your block
[08:11:07] <chromas> baby Intels, now on Disney+
[08:11:43] <FatPhil> we don't dowse our chilli con carnes with crispotle sauce either
[08:12:05] <chromas> so would you abbreviate pint-to-pint protocol as peepeepee?
[08:12:27] <FatPhil> not so abbreviated, if done correctly
[08:12:32] <chromas> or is that a streaming service?
[08:12:42] <FatPhil> definitely, it's the future
[08:12:50] <FatPhil> (checks watch, yes, it is friday morning)
[08:13:27] <chromas> Does it feel a bit chip outside?
[08:17:14] <FatPhil> not inland, but out on the arcrispelago, yup
[08:19:50] <chromas> "German police say they have solved a nine-year-old burglary after DNA found on a half-eaten piece of sausage matched that of a man detained in France over an unrelated crime. Police in the western town of Schwelm said that the sausage belonged to the victim, and the suspect, a 30-year-old Albanian citizen, appeared to have helped himself to a bite during the March 2012 break-in."
[08:20:22] <chromas> Take a bite out of crime
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[09:30:07] <glr> Hi, I've got a bit of a correction regarding one of your news items: https://soylentnews.org
[09:30:12] <systemd> ^ 03The Ongoing Raspberry Pi Fiasco - SoylentNews
[09:30:47] <glr> I'm the author of the "How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy" paper
[09:31:21] <glr> It is a PDF document available on Libgen: http://libgen.rs
[09:31:23] <systemd> ^ 03Library Genesis: Gavin L. Rebeiro - How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy
[09:32:11] <glr> The paper wasn't originally a piece on Techrights. I just sent a copy to the people that run Techrights.
[09:32:53] <glr> Techrights decided to rip a lot of the links out of the first few chapters so people can refer to the original PDF version of the paper for everything.
[09:34:30] <FatPhil> you need to take that up with techrights, we have no insights into what they do before they put stuff up.
[09:35:17] <glr> FatPhil: Ofc, I don't have control over what people do with my paper when they decide to share it. I just wanted to point people to the original paper available as a PDF document.
[09:36:22] <FatPhil> HAve they violated your CC-BY-SA? "Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made."
[09:38:57] <glr> It appears that they have.
[09:39:01] <glr> For example: http://techrights.org
[09:39:02] <systemd> ^ 03How To Deal With Your Raspberry Spy -- Part I: Acknowledgements
[09:39:20] <glr> "Summary: March 2, 2021 blog post series from a guest author;"
[09:39:21] <glr> This is untrue
[09:39:30] <glr> I sent them the link to the PDF on Libgen
[09:40:02] <glr> They've been obscure about this. It wasn't a blog post series. That's what Roy from Techrights changed my paper into.
[09:40:57] <glr> That is why the soylent news piece probably says "Developer Gavin L Rebeiro has posted a five-part article series at Techrights"
[09:41:28] <glr> I don't post anything on Techrights myself.
[09:43:34] <glr> So it seems Techrights have only complied with the "You must give appropriate credit" part of CC-BY-SA 4.0
[09:45:06] <glr> But anyway. I don't intend to kick up any dust over the license. It's meant for free sharing. I just wanted to make the minor correction.
[09:46:30] <glr> If someone could edit the soylent news piece, that would be much appreciated.
[09:47:10] <FatPhil> I've added a note to the story (will take a few minutes to pass through the cache)
[09:47:29] <glr> FatPhil: Many thanks for the quick fix.
[09:47:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 50 New Genes for Eye Colour - https://sylnt.us - the-eyes-have-it
[09:48:07] <FatPhil> np. looks like you were wronged, and it would be wrong for us to propagate that!
[09:49:07] <FatPhil> if it had just been something cosmetic, or you wanting to add the link, then I'd have just recommended posting to the story.
[10:54:25] <c0lo> Hey, FatPhil, did you look over that PDF? On my devuan install (quite old) the PDF renders crappy.
[10:54:48] <c0lo> With lonks that point niwhere.
[11:14:08] <c0lo> Not even a PDF actually, tsa page. A couldn't find a link that leads to the entire pdf.
[11:32:07] <FatPhil> there was a link on that page that described itself as 'pdf', but I didn't recurse, as I can't view PDFs here.
[11:32:12] <FatPhil> portable, my arse!
[11:33:17] <FatPhil> (actually, I chose to not have a PDF reader as the package dependencies that I consider unacceptable)
[12:00:35] <c0lo> =ubmit https://www.forbes.com
[12:00:54] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[12:00:57] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Why We Need a ‘Moon Ark’ to Store Frozen Seeds, Sperm and Eggs From 6.7 Million Earth Species" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:01:14] <c0lo> FatPhil, can you post that link ere?
[12:13:15] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:13:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Global Heating Pushes Tropical Regions Towards Limits of Human Livability" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:35:27] <c0lo> =submit https://reneweconomy.com.au
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[12:37:50] <c0lo> =submit https://arstechnica.com
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[12:38:45] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
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[12:40:04] <c0lo> =submit https://www.engadget.com
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[12:44:34] <Runaway1956> https://www.firstpost.com
[12:44:35] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk explains why SpaceX's Starship SN10 engine blew up after landing safely- Technology News, Firstpost
[12:44:55] <Runaway1956> He doesn't really explain much in that article - I don't guess it's worth submission
[13:01:14] <c0lo> =submit https://www.moroccoworldnews.com
[13:01:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Morocco Adopts Bill Legalizing Medical Production of Cannabis" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:05:22] <c0lo> Runaway1956, he says helium got into the engine and lowered the thrust. He says that they put helium to lower the fuel sloshing - and other say that this is an educated guess https://futurism.com
[13:05:23] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk Breaks Silence on Why Last Starship Prototype Exploded
[13:12:01] <Runaway1956> that is somewhat more informative c0lo but doesn't explain why it exploded, does it?
[13:12:30] <Runaway1956> Did one of the tanks spring a leak because of the hard landing and/or because of the landing leg?
[13:15:47] <c0lo> Came down too hard, with excess of speed, developed a leak on the fuel side. Probably.
[13:17:22] <c0lo> The explosion shows the carcteristic of a petro one - red, subsonic, billowing black smoke
[13:18:22] <Runaway1956> That makes sense - but nowhere have I actually read that a leak took place
[13:18:36] <Runaway1956> another vaccination death - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[13:18:37] <systemd> ^ 03Utah Mother Dies Four Days After Second Dose Of Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine
[13:18:47] <Runaway1956> MSM doesn't seem to publish those stories
[13:20:50] <c0lo> 251 deaths without vaccines yesterday. The number is publicly available.
[13:21:11] <c0lo> https://www.worldometers.info
[13:21:14] <systemd> ^ 03United States Coronavirus: 29,927,572 Cases and 543,738 Deaths - Worldometer
[13:21:53] <c0lo> You either get the vaccine or you'll get the virus sooner or later.
[13:22:38] <c0lo> If you get to die of vaccine, you would be dead from the real thing anyway.
[13:23:04] <Runaway1956> you can't possibly know that
[13:23:17] <Runaway1956> for starters, you may have never contracted the disease
[13:23:29] <Runaway1956> this porch pirate is funny
[13:23:35] <Runaway1956> https://www.khou.com
[13:23:36] <systemd> ^ 03Caught on camera: Topless woman steals package off doorstep of Houston home
[13:23:39] <FatPhil> 251? that's the number in just Cali!
[13:26:09] <c0lo> FatPhil, yeah, I looked in the wrong place in the page. But, after all, Cali is the only state that matters :grin:
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[13:27:27] <Runaway1956> https://gizmodo.com
[13:27:27] <systemd> ^ 03Vets, Dentists Can Give Covid-19 Shot per Biden's Plan to Expand Vaccine Access
[13:27:46] <Runaway1956> Somehow, I can't see myself going to a veterinarian for a COVID shot
[13:28:07] <Runaway1956> Dentist, not likely, but the vet is completely out of the question
[13:28:38] <c0lo> +Runaway1956> for starters, you may have never contracted the disease" Oh but you will. With waning imunity, many will get it 3-4 mo after vax. It won't kill them, but they'll spread it alright.
[13:28:53] <c0lo> s/imun/immun/
[13:28:53] <SedBot> <c0lo> +Runaway1956> for starters, you may have never contracted the disease" Oh but you will. With waning immunity, many will get it 3-4 mo after vax. It won't kill them, but they'll spread it alright.
[13:29:27] <Runaway1956> Odd, I haven't got it yet, nor has the wife, or any of our immediate or extended family
[13:29:47] <Runaway1956> so far, we're batting 1000 avoiding the COVIDS
[13:34:29] <FatPhil> what happened mid-Feb in AR policy-wise?
[13:34:59] <Bytram> Runaway1956: You have not had it yet... or... you're not aware that you (or they) have had it, or may even have it right now?
[13:35:23] <Bytram> =g asymptomatic
[13:35:24] <systemd> https://www.webmd.com - Asymptomatic COVID: Silent, but Maybe Not Harmless
[13:35:46] <Runaway1956> We're not sick. Someone would have to be sick and/or test positive to confirm that they have it.
[13:37:48] <Runaway1956> How's your Win10 install doing, Bytram ?
[13:38:24] <Runaway1956> Mine has an update, has been working at it since I got up 3 1/2 hours ago
[13:38:36] <Runaway1956> update from 1909 to 20H2
[13:38:49] <Bytram> look again -- asymptomatic means one can have it -- and transmit it -- without having any symptoms
[13:38:54] <FatPhil> hmmm... https://www.usnews.com - I wonder if the sharp up-tick in deaths a couple of weeks later was related...
[13:38:55] <systemd> ^ 03Arkansas Lifts Most of Its Coronavirus Safety Restrictions
[13:40:35] <Bytram> mostly successful... next up is to find out how to contact microsoft and get a product key from the "security key" (or whatever it's called) that I have... but that means getting the phone #, first.
[13:41:21] <Bytram> Have other priorities atm, so put that on the backburner, for now.
[13:42:15] <Runaway1956> it's at 89% complete installing - I could probably cook breakfast, eat it, and take a shower before it finishes, lol
[13:42:32] <Bytram> thanks for asking! Hope to make time to write up a summary of what steps I took to get it working. Hope it can help someone else who finds themself in a similar position.
[13:43:03] <Runaway1956> that would be cool
[13:44:14] <Bytram> in the meantime, have an unseasonably warm morning ~55F and temps going downhill all day... hoping to get out and enjoy some of it before it's gone and normal temps (teens to low 30s) return
[13:46:19] <Bytram> no time like the present... laters!
[13:51:24] <c0lo> +Runaway1956> We're not sick. > neither is probs 80-90% of US population, who didn't yet get infected (based on 21M+ cases with an outcome and guestimating a doudle number of cases that when to end without detection.
[13:52:05] <c0lo> s/that when/that went/
[13:52:05] <SedBot> <c0lo> +Runaway1956> We're not sick. > neither is probs 80-90% of US population, who didn't yet get infected (based on 21M+ cases with an outcome and guestimating a doudle number of cases that went to end without detection.
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[14:33:37] <FatPhil> TX is proposing infections are 4x known cases in their herd-immunity prediction, rather than double.
[14:48:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Astronomers May Have Found the First Evidence for Tectonic Activity on an Exoplanet - https://sylnt.us - giving-it-the-old-heave-ho
[14:51:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, in texas they're probably right.
[15:20:23] <FatPhil> running the early data last year when community spread started in various places growth curves were not in disagreement with a 2x-5x ratio. I've seen nothing that has caused me to re-evaluate.
[15:22:18] <FatPhil> so 3x-4x is very believable. Alas, 3x would leave them well short of herd immunity, while 4x gives them some chance of it. Vaccines can bridge that gap quite quickly though.
[15:27:20] <FatPhil> Of course, if you change your testing regime, you change what you know and what you don't know, and most countries/states have changed their testing regimes over time.
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[15:34:54] <FatPhil> Fortunately, different places were coming up with remarkably similar escape trajectories from cluster to community spread, which implied the limitations to their testing were very similar.
[15:36:00] <FatPhil> Who's number 1 motherfucka! https://www.nytimes.com Woop woop woop!!!!!
[15:36:01] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus World Map: Tracking the Global Outbreak
[15:36:54] <FatPhil> Hospitals just reaching the "Dear Latvia, can we send some of our sick to your hospitals please" level (no joke)
[15:38:11] <FatPhil> In some ways, it's better to be 6 months "behind the curve", because at least at the treatment centres are capable of learning from other places' lessons, even if our politicians aren't, which is what got us in this mess in the first place.
[15:39:30] <FatPhil> our case fatality rate is (I *think*, this is just from eyeballing the two columns in worldometers) pretty low, so I do have faith in the healthcare side.
[17:06:52] <Teckla> WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!!!
[17:07:13] <Runaway1956> FatPhil has found faith in faith healers.
[17:17:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - F5 Urges Customers to Patch Critical BIG-IP Pre-auth RCE Bug - https://sylnt.us
[17:23:11] <FatPhil> waaaaat?!?!
[17:23:51] <FatPhil> =submit https://thenextweb.com
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[19:05:11] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[19:05:14] <systemd> ^ 03Czech police tackle man, put him in headlock for not wearing mask as toddler cries in viral clip (VIDEO)
[19:05:27] <Runaway1956> Thank God and Chechnya for authoritarian police!
[19:47:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Audacity Games is Making New Atari 2600 Titles - https://sylnt.us - everything-old-is-new-again
[19:54:48] <Runaway1956> Morons
[19:54:52] <Runaway1956> https://futurism.com
[19:54:53] <systemd> ^ 03Blockchain Company Sets Priceless Banksy Painting on Fire to Create an NFT
[19:59:49] <Runaway1956> WHO is back to the WUHAN wet market as the culprit for COVIDS - bunch of idiot
[19:59:56] <Runaway1956> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
[19:59:57] <systemd> ^ 03WHO delegation to China: Wuhan wet market most likely origin of Covid-19 pandemic
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[21:09:51] <FatPhil> Are ICOs still a thing? I mean a fashionable thing, or the next big thing, as they were 3 years ago?
[21:10:24] <FatPhil> Are NFTs just the 2021 replacement for ICOs, if ICOs have dropped off the radar.
[21:10:41] <FatPhil> I've not heard anyone mention ICOs for well over a year, I'm sure.
[21:12:14] <FatPhil> The funniest thing about the NFT morons story is that they were making a point by destroying Banksy's highly valuable /Morons/.
[21:12:43] <FatPhil> And replacing it with a digital equivalent and a certificate of idiot-bro-ness.
[21:12:55] <Microsoft> Did you mean NTFS?
[21:13:18] <FatPhil> Seemingly oblivious to the fact that there are 499 other originals of the screenprint out there.
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[21:13:45] <FatPhil> So they destroyed it as if it was unique, and yet it can literally be mass produced.
[21:14:01] <FatPhil> (and already has been, as I said, 500 are out there)
[21:14:16] <Microsoft> Destroying digital copies is the new art.
[21:20:53] <FatPhil> I read a parody piece about destroying a really rare NFT in the same way as these brorons destroyed a banksy, set in 2057, it was vaguely amusing.
[21:21:48] <FatPhil> apparently to destroy a digital asset you transfer it to an account that is unable to have transfers made from it (destroyed key, presumably), so it's a black hole.
[21:22:41] <FatPhil> https://artreview.com
[21:22:44] <systemd> ^ 03‘The Large Glass, Burned’: a Tale of the Blockchain, Tokens and Art’s Value
[22:18:07] <FatPhil> Actually, I think one of my biggest complaints about NFTs is that they misuse the term "fungible". Fungibility has never been a property of cryptographically signed things, so non-fungibility is a non-issue, it's not a thing anyone thought would need to be dealt with.
[22:19:27] <FatPhil> Some bros who did a 101 in economics must have discovered a new word, and thought it was really cool.
[22:25:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Data Transfer System Connects Silicon Chips With a Hair's-Width Cable - https://sylnt.us
[22:26:36] <chromas> Whatever happened to HyperTransport Bus?
[22:40:25] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[23:16:02] <Runaway1956> An air fryer
[23:16:10] <Runaway1956> Stupid air fryer
[23:16:23] <Runaway1956> nothing more than a convection oven, as near as I can see
[23:16:32] <Runaway1956> but the women think it's magic or something
[23:16:51] <Runaway1956> Anyway, I'm "frying" some chicken in the silly thing
[23:17:50] <chromas> You may think it's just a convection oven, but it is.
[23:18:17] <Runaway1956> I haven''t figured out what the rotating drum is for - french fries?
[23:18:41] <chromas> and tots
[23:18:49] <Runaway1956> Oh yes - tots
[23:19:08] <Runaway1956> and maybe onion rings wouldn't be torn up in it?\
[23:19:21] <chromas> Hopefully
[23:19:26] <chromas> Time to test.
[23:19:58] <Runaway1956> There have been times that I kinda wished I had a convection oven, but this table-top toy just looks silly to me
[23:22:19] <chromas> it comes in hand...y when you just want a smol snack
[23:23:05] <Runaway1956> I'll have to find some recipes for it - I figured I couldn't go too wrong with breading some chicken and punching the little drumstick icon
[23:23:29] <chromas> You can just use it like a regular (tiny) oven but with less time
[23:23:49] <chromas> Make some baby pizzas
[23:24:10] <Runaway1956> Too bad I have no frozen tater tots or fries or onion rings - that might be interesting
[23:24:13] <chromas> air-fried deep-fried pizza
[23:24:41] <Runaway1956> Pesonal pan pizzas maybe, it't not big at all
[23:25:00] <chromas> is it big enough for a tortilla pizza?
[23:25:00] <Runaway1956> I stopped with four drumsticks on each of two shelves - that's all the room there is
[23:25:34] <Runaway1956> Haven't measured it, I guess the usable interior space is about 9x11 inches
[23:26:09] <chromas> ah, just big enough to cook the books
[23:26:28] <Runaway1956> now THAT sounds interesting
[23:27:59] <FatPhil> air frier? did they misspell hair dryer?
[23:28:20] <Runaway1956> The cat spits up air balls
[23:29:10] <FatPhil> it hocks up 'air balls?
[23:29:22] <FatPhil> 'air hockey
[23:29:32] <Runaway1956> you're tryin' to be Bri'ish?
[23:29:45] <FatPhil> fuck my le stoupide router
[23:30:10] <Runaway1956> I wouldn't know where to look for the orifice
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[23:31:20] <FatPhil> spent 20 minutes trying to give the new lappy a fixed IP address from DHCP
[23:31:35] <FatPhil> worst web-based UI ever
[23:31:51] <chromas> NetGear?
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[23:32:35] <Runaway1956> I can empathize - I have 4 or 5 different brands, and finding anything is a near nightmare
[23:32:44] <Runaway1956> no two uses a similar UI
[23:32:59] <FatPhil> JUCI or Inteno, or some shit like that
[23:32:59] <chromas> I have a netgear poe switch. the configuration page must go through ip-over-smoke signals or something
[23:33:36] <Runaway1956> Tomato for the win - too bad you can't just tomato all of them
[23:35:26] <FatPhil> There's only one thing good about this router interface - it's better than the godforsaken interface on the router in the office.
[23:35:49] <chromas> get some pis and install freebsd
[23:36:05] <FatPhil> I have no spare Pis any more.
[23:36:23] <FatPhil> my "spare" simply refuses to boot at all.
[23:36:55] <FatPhil> gonna look out on the auction sites for one or two more, to pick up a couple of simple server tasks.
[23:38:16] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[23:38:19] <systemd> ^ 03Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes is pregnant, likely delaying her criminal trial
[23:38:41] <Bytram> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[23:38:42] <systemd> ^ 03SARS-CoV-2 jumped from bats to humans without much change, study finds
[23:40:22] <FatPhil> What's the betting she's gestating a series of ever-growing pillows?
[23:40:35] <FatPhil> Anyone seen /Little Otik/?
[23:49:47] <Runaway1956> Not many Czech comedy horrors playing in the US.
[23:53:07] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://arstechnica.com from the nice-to-have-an-adult-in-the-Oval-Office dept
[23:53:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Tossing Vaccine Priority List, Biden Tells States to Open Eligibility by May 1" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:53:54] <AzumaHazuki> "bUt MaRiSsA dEmOcRaTs AnD RePuBlIcAns ArE aLl ExAcTlY aLiKe!!!!1111one" -- fistula-crack-itch, probably
[23:55:17] <Runaway1956> But Marissa, your saviour Biden will lead us all to hell.
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