#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-06
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[00:01:16] <AzumaHazuki> looks like the site CSS shat itself again or something
[00:01:34] <FatPhil> SN posting gone cranky
[00:02:34] <kyonko--> The site is dying
[00:02:37] <kyonko--> bit rot, entropy
[00:02:44] <kyonko--> legacy hardware
[00:03:13] <kyonko--> leave an irc server running until it begins to fuck up
[00:03:45] <kyonko--> john carmack worked for facebook
[00:04:13] <kyonko--> that garbage is definately mellanox infiniband
[00:06:52] <AzumaHazuki> I think I've triggered Runaway and his sockpuppet friends in his journal
[00:07:05] <AzumaHazuki> apparently i'm meeeeeeeeeeean and that invalidates everything I've ever said, LOL
[00:07:19] <kyonko--> you are a mean set of jugs
[00:07:22] <AzumaHazuki> one more time for the cheap seats up in nosebleed heaven: facts don't care 'bout'cher feelings
[00:18:52] <Bytram> "No boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine."
[00:20:21] <kyonko--> What about hunter biden's laptop?
[00:20:26] <kyonko--> its got NO HDD
[00:20:42] <kyonko--> its just a soldered on SSD that sends everything to the cloud automatically
[00:20:58] <kyonko--> whats this talk about hunter biden's laptop's hard drive?
[00:21:08] <kyonko--> the icloud is in china
[00:27:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Someone is Hacking the Hackers - https://sylnt.us - poetic-justice
[00:29:13] <kyonko--> Who is watching the watchers?
[00:29:17] <kyonko--> Who is the god of gods?
[00:31:03] <AzumaHazuki> are you off your meds again?
[00:31:50] <kyonko--> I don't have a court order for treatment, AzumaHazuki
[00:31:58] <kyonko--> it only lasted 2 years to my shock
[00:32:17] <AzumaHazuki> do you have a certificate from Arkham with the word "SANE" in big red letters across it now?
[00:32:21] <kyonko--> that was back when hitler was president
[00:32:26] <kyonko--> yeah
[00:32:40] <kyonko--> the word isn't "sane", its "recovered"
[00:32:44] <AzumaHazuki> ...you're a pantload, son :D
[00:32:46] <kyonko--> like I recovered from covid
[00:33:08] <kyonko--> I'm glad I never creamed my pants at school
[00:33:33] <kyonko--> just got moist that quickly evaporated
[00:35:38] <kyonko--> those where classical times
[00:35:42] <kyonko--> felt like ancient greece
[00:38:09] <kyonko--> god I wish my first love could have never died on the inside
[00:38:26] <kyonko--> but she did, and she is dead on the inside
[00:40:15] * kyonko-- hears 18 wheeler tires blowing out
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[02:02:27] <AzumaHazuki> i just realized..Frrance, Italy, and South Korea have convicted and sentenced their corrupt former leaders
[02:02:33] <AzumaHazuki> so it's not, ahem, "unpresidented"
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[02:27:01] <Bytram> low on memory. Need to close IRC for a bit
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[03:20:57] <Teckla> Bytram: How did your Windows 10 journey turn out?
[03:21:32] * TheMightyBuzzard wanders in and blinks
[03:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> you installed WHAT?!
[03:26:14] <pinchy> the greatest operating system ever made
[03:26:22] <Bytram> welp, it's income tax filing season. I'd used TurboTax for years, but it only runs under windows. They STRONGLY warned last year that Win 7 was losing support soon, and that I'd need Win 10 next year. So, I've downloaded Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso and just got it installed on a USB stick and booted my 3rd lappy using it.
[03:27:37] <Bytram> I sense something akin to trying to get in one more ski run before the end of the day... which usually presages an impressive crash.
[03:28:20] <Bytram> Think I'll get some sleep and give it a go in the morning.
[03:28:57] <Teckla> Bytram: Goodnight :)
[03:29:35] <Bytram> Teckla: thanks for the help and support!
[03:30:47] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
[03:31:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, if you have drive space, do it in a VM. leaves your hdd unmolested and tax software don't need direct hardware access or 3d acceleration, which is about all you lose going virtualbox.
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[04:33:40] <halibut> Hard drive space aside, Bytram seems to frequently run out of memory. Running a VM might not work well (otherwise, I would recommend the VM option, too).
[04:37:36] <kyonko--> ok phish
[04:40:02] <Subsentient> I wonder how much memory Bytram *does* have.
[04:40:14] <kyonko--> He has OOM memory
[04:40:30] <Subsentient> Ahh, the venerable OOM killer
[04:41:03] <Subsentient> He either has like 2GB of RAM or he's running 30 copies of KDE Plasma. O.o
[04:41:53] <kyonko--> yuck, fuck gnome and kde plasma
[04:42:02] <kyonko--> thats why there is trinity DE
[04:49:27] <Subsentient> kyonko--: Yeah I'm an XFCE guy myself.
[04:49:50] <kyonko--> well I like XFCE since I first tried it in system rescued cd in the 2000's
[04:49:52] <Subsentient> Just heavy enough there's nothing I miss, just light enough that I can run it on a potato.
[04:50:10] <kyonko--> well potatoes can't handle xfce
[04:51:04] <Subsentient> Sure they can. I've run modern XFCE on a Pentium 2.
[04:51:28] <Subsentient> I could actually run it on an i586 Pentium 1, but that takes effort to compile an OS that runs on a chip that old.
[04:51:47] <Subsentient> I've done it before, but that's when I had a lot of free time.
[04:52:14] <kyonko--> are you a masochist?
[04:52:25] <kyonko--> of course it will run
[04:52:38] <kyonko--> I ran duke nukem 3d on an i386 with mscdex
[04:53:41] <kyonko--> why are all the "hacker" pen test distros gigabytes in size?
[04:53:58] <Subsentient> kyonko--: No, I just have the strange quirk of getting attached to my old PCs, and I try rather hard to keep them useful. I usually succeed. There's something very satisfying about using a 2021 OS on a machine from 1997.
[04:54:14] <kyonko--> ok I get it
[04:54:22] <kyonko--> but there is so much a 1997 PC can do
[04:54:41] <kyonko--> playing an mp3 was a major cpu load
[04:54:49] <kyonko--> forget a fucking MPEG2 video
[04:55:05] <Subsentient> Yeah, true. I've used those for development before tbh.
[04:55:24] <Subsentient> Had an old pentium 2 toughbook I wrote a lot of C on.
[04:55:56] <kyonko--> oh a toughbook I like
[04:56:02] <kyonko--> you can take those onto the field
[04:56:15] <kyonko--> but they only work with digital cameras of their own vintage
[04:56:20] <kyonko--> equal vintage
[04:56:54] <kyonko--> for years I had forgotten about makebootfat
[04:57:12] <kyonko--> it fools a BIOS into thinking a thumb drive is a USB-FLOPPY
[04:58:34] <Subsentient> You know, the new laptops have really shitty keyboards. On a Thinkpad T410 from 2011 right now, I love this machine's keyboard, but it's getting a bit slow to be my daily driver. I'm scared to upgrade because newer keyboards suck.
[04:58:36] <kyonko--> I used to wonder for years why installing BSD or Linux I had to be reminded of shit like OS/2 and HPFS
[04:59:08] <kyonko--> I plan on trying out a chromebook
[04:59:12] <kyonko--> a new one, from wal-mart
[04:59:25] <kyonko--> problem is, you can't trust chrome os or android
[04:59:26] <Subsentient> kyonko--: For the love of Satan, why would you do that?
[04:59:37] <Subsentient> No shit
[04:59:51] <kyonko--> how bad will things get by 2025?
[05:00:04] <Subsentient> Regarding computers?
[05:00:26] <kyonko--> please excuse me while I use seamonkey suite's composer to microblog about this very chat and place it in my .htdocs
[05:01:09] <kyonko--> i am using chatzilla right now, but it seems too much for a 2011 laptop with a dvdram (!?)
[05:01:13] <Subsentient> Well it won't be an issue, because you'll be happy to get whatever laptop you can find that doesn't have EMP damage, in the radioactive frozen hellscape of what once was mankind.
[05:01:54] <kyonko--> yeah, kali yuga is at hand
[05:01:56] <kyonko--> :)
[05:02:04] <Subsentient> kyonko--: How much RAM do you have in that thing?
[05:02:09] <kyonko--> 1GB
[05:02:16] <Subsentient> From 2011?
[05:02:17] <Subsentient> Ouch
[05:02:22] <kyonko--> yeah celeron
[05:02:22] <Subsentient> My 2011 has 8GB
[05:02:48] <Subsentient> The bottleneck with me is the CPU. It's a rather weak i5.
[05:03:05] <Subsentient> My Ryzen 3 desktop absolutely skullfucks it
[05:03:06] <kyonko--> I have an i5 on an all metal 2013 chromebook pixel
[05:03:16] <kyonko--> jfc I don't have that kind of money
[05:03:44] <kyonko--> I am so poor I shouldn't even be alive
[05:04:01] <kyonko--> I can't even believe I got DVDRAM tech in this bitch
[05:04:15] <Subsentient> kyonko--: How poor *are* you? I've been poor most of my life myself. Finally lifted myself out, but I spend so much money on takeout I usually have $0 :^)
[05:04:34] <kyonko--> How do you even measure being poor?
[05:04:40] <Subsentient> Maybe monthly income?
[05:04:48] <kyonko--> I mean, totally
[05:05:09] <kyonko--> "esoterically"
[05:05:20] <Subsentient> For example, I make around $3,000 USD a month right now.
[05:05:33] <Subsentient> 30 hours a week
[05:06:17] <Subsentient> Most of my life, try $750 a month.
[05:06:36] <kyonko--> I've had it worse yet I thrive philosophically
[05:06:54] <kyonko--> I really thought I was autistic
[05:06:58] <kyonko--> but I am not
[05:07:14] <Subsentient> I was using Pentium 3 machines as my daily drivers as recently as 2014 tbh.
[05:07:21] <Subsentient> I was very poor
[05:07:22] <kyonko--> well I believe that
[05:07:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FreeBSD Jails – Deep Dive into the Beginning of FreeBSD Containers - https://sylnt.us - Do-not-pass-Go,-Do-not-collect-$200
[05:07:30] <Subsentient> I resurrected a lot of dumpster PCs
[05:07:42] <kyonko--> I had a dumpster pc I never did anything with
[05:07:42] <Subsentient> I was *very* angry when Fedora dropped i686 support.
[05:08:14] <kyonko--> I'm barely getting into how fedora transitioned from BIOS to GPT
[05:08:33] <Subsentient> I collect dumpster PCs like squirrels collect nuts for the winter.
[05:08:51] <Subsentient> Honestly I like GPT, I just hate UEFI.
[05:08:59] <Subsentient> You can boot GPT on a BIOS system
[05:09:04] <kyonko--> GPT is needed btw
[05:09:12] <Subsentient> Yeah it is, 2TB limit
[05:09:14] <kyonko--> UEFI is kinda funny
[05:09:51] <kyonko--> I just needed to take a breather from all the mindlessness of facebook
[05:09:52] <Subsentient> UEFI is annoying to me tbh. I liked the BIOS way of writing some magic bits to the partition header and then your bootloader can be on whatever filesystem you want.
[05:10:09] <kyonko--> yeah its the magic bits
[05:10:11] <kyonko--> very tiny
[05:10:21] <kyonko--> below a sector a size
[05:10:23] <Subsentient> I have a twitter I shitpost on occasionally, but I don't really use social media other than that.
[05:10:28] <Subsentient> 446 bytes, actually
[05:10:35] <kyonko--> yeah that
[05:10:39] <kyonko--> satan's knowledge
[05:11:02] <Subsentient> Yep, I have a deep and abiding knowledge of BIOS bootloaders, which is now nearly useless lol
[05:11:21] <Subsentient> I don't use bootloader scripts when I install an OS, I just do it myself
[05:13:15] <kyonko--> wait
[05:13:23] <kyonko--> what is going down with uefi NOW?
[05:13:32] <Subsentient> e.g. for BIOS, cat /usr/share/syslinux/gpt_mbr.bin > /dev/sda; syslinux -i /boot/; parted /dev/sda set 1 legacy_boot on
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[05:15:07] <Subsentient> e.g. for BIOS, cat /usr/share/syslinux/gpt_mbr.bin > /dev/sda; syslinux -i /boot/; parted /dev/sda set 1 legacy_boot on
[05:15:20] <kyonko--> is there something in uefi I should avoid wasting my money on?
[05:16:08] <kyonko--> I am a sucker for UX/UI
[05:16:22] <Subsentient> Just make sure you get a machine that lets you disable secure boot. It's a little bit of a nuisance compared to BIOS, but as long as it lets you boot arbitrary code, you're good.
[05:16:23] <kyonko--> I looooooooooooooooooooooved mac
[05:16:30] <Subsentient> I loved PowerPC macs.
[05:16:36] <kyonko--> ah I see
[05:16:38] <Subsentient> They made wonderful Linux machines.
[05:16:39] <kyonko--> arbitrary code
[05:16:50] <kyonko--> mystery magical c0de
[05:16:58] <Subsentient> kyonko--: e.g. Linux instead of Windows.
[05:17:21] <kyonko--> yeah I get it
[05:17:25] <kyonko--> things are going to shit fast
[05:17:27] <Subsentient> I compile my own kernels that are not cryptographically signed, it's important to me that I don't need to have a valid signature.
[05:17:35] <Subsentient> kyonko--: Yeah, pretty much.
[05:17:45] <kyonko--> oh
[05:17:54] <kyonko--> did you hear about grime's latest work of art crypto signed?
[05:19:20] <Subsentient> kyonko--: No I didn't
[05:20:15] <kyonko--> its the latest rage
[05:20:37] <kyonko--> sold for millions
[05:36:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.thecollegefix.com
[05:36:25] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[05:36:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:44:26] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Sounds about right. Not really a future for them.
[05:45:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, right? how the hell you sposed to get through puberty if you can't sneak out, get intoxicated with your friends, and have highly unskilled sex with other teenagers?
[05:46:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> or maybe it's just that folks under 18 have a 0.0% chance of dying of coronaids.
[05:47:21] <kyonko--> I've actually never had sex
[05:47:27] <kyonko--> tragedy built on tragedy
[05:47:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're not missing much
[05:47:38] <kyonko--> my first love was a gwen stefani look a like teen harlot
[05:47:47] <kyonko--> she is fat now
[05:47:50] <kyonko--> fat and stupid
[05:47:54] <kyonko--> and a sheep
[05:47:59] <kyonko--> and we are in hell
[05:48:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're too young for me to talk to if she was your first love
[05:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if you'd said molly ringwald, that'd be another story
[05:49:49] <kyonko--> I mean, my fucking god, you had free sex, how can you be an adult sheep?
[05:50:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not from NZ. sheep have no part in my sex life.
[05:51:18] <kyonko--> you know what I mean, dying inside
[05:51:41] <kyonko--> AzumaHazuki stays true to her inner child or whatever the fuck
[05:51:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> her inner child is an insufferable brat though
[05:52:04] <kyonko--> she can
[05:52:09] <kyonko--> she cant keep a partner
[05:52:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's very common for gay chicks
[05:52:49] <kyonko--> how would you know?
[05:53:00] <kyonko--> I know about gay prosmicuity and disease
[05:53:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> well for starters, they have the highest domestic violence rate of any demographic in the nation
[05:53:50] <kyonko--> wut
[05:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> true, look it up
[05:55:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> blah, it's midnight. ima go sleep.
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[06:34:32] <Runaway1956> Something to watch - not subbing it now
[06:34:45] <Runaway1956> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
[06:34:46] <systemd> ^ 03Boeing Max makes emergency landing due to engine indicator - Times of India
[06:35:58] <Runaway1956> same story, little more detail
[06:36:08] <Runaway1956> https://bbcbreakingnews.com
[06:36:10] <systemd> ^ 03American Airlines Boeing 737 MAX flight from Miami lands Newark airport after oil pressure problem - My Blog
[06:39:06] <FatPhil> How can Boeing still be a commercially viable entity after, what is it?, three solid years of bad publicity?
[06:54:22] <FatPhil> From what I broadly agree with the statistics (to zero-th order: partner violence is greatest in lesbians, lowest in gay men), but - and you did not do this, thank you, so I'm not accusing you of doing it - one should be very careful about making a leap from the probability of an abritrary unknown member of a set having a particular property to the probability of an identified member of the set, and not
[06:54:28] <FatPhil> known to be typical of that set, having that property.
[06:56:58] <FatPhil> =doi https://doi.org
[06:57:02] <systemd> <p><b>Journal Reference</b>:<br/>Rollè, Luca, Giardina, Giulia, Caldarera, Angela M., <em>et al</em>. <b>When Intimate Partner Violence Meets Same Sex Couples: A Review of Same Sex Intimate Partner Violence</b>, <cite>Frontiers in Psychology</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506">10.3389/fpsyg.2018.01506</a>)</p>
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[09:30:26] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Wait, doesn't that seem backwards? You'd really expect men to hit each other more.
[09:30:35] <FatPhil> fuxtix - anyone got a Lenovo X250?
[09:31:08] <FatPhil> Subsentient: nah, gay men hit each other about ~20% less than straight men hit women
[09:31:21] <FatPhil> lesbians about 20% more
[09:31:46] <FatPhil> bisexual women are *brutes*, and will hit anyone.
[09:32:27] <FatPhil> It's a mature-enough field of study that there should be metastudies too now.
[09:32:36] <Subsentient> So bi women are the most violent. Huh. How about bi guys?
[09:33:06] <FatPhil> They weren't listed in the paper I doi'd above, IIRC, but that paper has tons of references
[09:33:24] <Subsentient> https://i.imgur.com
[09:33:32] <FatPhil> It's a few years old too, there might be more recent studies.
[09:34:38] <FatPhil> I can't get into the fucking BIOS on my new X250
[09:34:43] <FatPhil> uefi--
[09:34:43] <Bender> karma - uefi: -4
[09:34:55] <Subsentient> If the bi people exhibit those traits more extremely than entirely gay people, that would explain why I literally haven't killed a fly since I was like 15...
[09:35:52] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Is there a manual to give you a nice misspelled graphic with the correct keyboard key?
[09:36:05] <chromas> Does it have Windows?
[09:37:03] <FatPhil> W10 shite
[09:37:13] <chromas> boot it and disable fast boot
[09:37:17] <Subsentient> Only idiots and masochists use Windows at this point.
[09:37:39] <FatPhil> I want to go to the bios to disable fast boot
[09:37:52] <FatPhil> I can't get into the bios
[09:38:02] <chromas> that's why you boot windows
[09:38:15] <FatPhil> tried f1, f2, esc, f12, ins
[09:39:53] <Subsentient> So now they try to prevent you from getting into the BIOS unless you can find an obscure boot option in Windows. I hate Microsoft so much....
[09:40:30] <FatPhil> found an 800-step process to enter bios settings from windows...
[09:40:33] <FatPhil> did it...
[09:40:40] <FatPhil> didn't enter bios settings
[09:41:28] <FatPhil> the boot screen was briefly different, it said I could press enter to diddle with settings
[09:41:37] <FatPhil> they were not relevant settings
[09:42:34] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Look carefully for an "Expert" or "Advanced" drop down or menu item in the BIOS.
[09:42:53] <FatPhil> Still not got *into* the bios
[09:43:19] <FatPhil> Shiiiiiiit - some random keypresses have got me there
[09:43:47] <Subsentient> Lol, wtf
[09:44:09] <chromas> Did you try delete?
[09:44:58] <FatPhil> I was pressing f2 when the 'enter' message appeared, and this time 'enter' did get me to a menu that led to a menu that led to the bios
[09:45:44] <FatPhil> both those menus had countdown timers, and I panicked on the first one, and didn't even the second one was there until it was too late to see what it said - 'ctrl-s to do something...'
[09:47:07] <FatPhil> Anyway, now disabling fast boot, and making Legacy the priority mode
[09:47:33] <chromas> seems pretty obvious to me. S to Skip bios
[09:47:59] <FatPhil> ctrl-s to control the skipping of the bios?
[09:48:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Torvalds Warns the World: Don’t Use the Linux 5.12-rc1 Kernel - https://sylnt.us - why-does-the-tag-say-Do-Not-Use?
[09:48:09] <chromas> What operating system are you installing today?
[09:48:21] <FatPhil> Beowolf!
[09:49:02] <FatPhil> However, the Devuan 3.1 beowolf, not the clusteros
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[10:00:11] <FatPhil> arse, it booted back into windows even with a devuan usb key
[10:02:35] <boru> Sounds like your boot device order is wrong.
[10:04:04] <FatPhil> nah - my USB key was upside down!
[10:05:05] <boru> I hope you are joking.
[10:05:18] <boru> How on Earth did you get it into the port?
[10:05:24] <FatPhil> Oh, man, the number of different built-in not-the-OS settings environments is *absurd*
[10:06:51] <FatPhil> I managed to get into the ctrl-S thing, supposedly 'startup settings', and it offered *nothing of use at all to man nor beast*, and used different keys for selecting and changing the options than the bios uses.
[10:07:26] <FatPhil> I think Lenovo are working on the principle that people just flip it on, swipe their windows and candy crush, and then close the lid, and nothing more than that.
[10:14:22] <FatPhil> jeebus, now the difficult part of the installation - giving the machine a name!
[10:14:44] <FatPhil> might need a few beers or whiskies for inspiration
[10:16:01] <FatPhil> last one we got - work laptop for the g/f - she called 'thot'. I have no idea what her logic was for that, but I approved it, obviously.
[10:40:24] <FatPhil> Jeebus, LVM is retarded
[11:12:52] <FatPhil> Fuxtix
[11:13:52] <FatPhil> "error: disk 'lvmid/blahbalh/blah-blah' not found. Entering resue mode..."
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[12:30:28] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[12:30:46] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I only have 4 GB (3.6 GiB) of RAM
[12:34:30] <c0lo> incel terrorism in the United States much deadlier than far-left terrorism
[12:34:31] <c0lo> https://www.theguardian.com
[12:34:32] <systemd> ^ 03The misogynist incel movement is spreading. Should it be classified as a terror threat?
[12:36:02] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:36:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Guardian" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:37:38] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:37:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists Who Discovered Migraine Mechanism Win £1.1m Brain Prize" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:51:20] <AzumaHazuki> i dunno if incels can be considered terrorists or even a "hate group" yet
[12:51:46] <AzumaHazuki> they are definitely hateful, and definitely subject to groupthink, but most of them live on asspain and microwave burritos and tentacle hentai
[13:22:45] <Teckla> Bytram: How goes the Windows 10 install?
[13:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you need a grown-up computer. any chance your current one can at least handle a ram upgrade?
[14:37:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC Approves $50 Monthly Internet Subsidies for Low-Income Households During Pandemic - https://sylnt.us
[14:44:37] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: if at all possible, I'd rather put any additional spending towards buying a *new* computer. It's not much, mybe but, say $60 for a couple new sticks of RAM in this several-year old laptop could be better spent towards an actually new machine.
[14:45:18] <requerdanos> respectfully, that statement underestimates the power of RAM.
[14:45:46] <Bytram> and Grrrr. Win 10 install is not recognizing my SSD ... Is asking for driver disk.
[14:46:55] <Bytram> (Steps taken so far are logged in #qa for my future reference; please keep random comments there to a minimum.)
[14:48:06] <Runaway1956> Win10 doesn't recognize an SSD? That sounds kinda insane . . . is it on a SATA or that other newer bus that I've never had?
[14:48:56] <Runaway1956> SAS I think it is
[14:52:01] <Runaway1956> mSATA?
[14:52:05] <Bytram> Samsung 1 TB V-NAND SSD 860 EVO (SATA 6 Gb/s)
[14:52:42] <Runaway1956> wow
[14:54:49] <Runaway1956> My only idea, is see if you can download driver disk for that laptop - but a bog standard SATA drive should need no drivers after WinXP
[14:55:21] <Bytram> I must admit I was surprised, too.
[14:56:25] <Bytram> Thank goodness I have other machines that I can work from to get the missing stuff with! I shudder to think of what I'd do if that were the ONLY computer I had!
[14:57:09] <Bytram> =g windows drivers SAMSUNG 1 TB SSD 860 EVO
[14:57:10] <systemd> https://www.samsung.com - Samsung SSD 860 EVO | Samsung V-NAND Consumer SSD ...
[14:58:55] <Bytram> https://www.samsung.com
[14:58:57] <systemd> ^ 03Samsung SSD 860 EVO | Samsung V-NAND Consumer SSD | Samsung Semiconductor Global Website ( https://www.samsung.com )
[15:05:43] <Runaway1956> https://www.samsung.com
[15:06:06] <Runaway1956> SATA supported on AMD, with latest driver
[15:06:27] <Runaway1956> No such stipulation for Intel
[15:07:11] <Bytram> Runaway1956: tx for that, but I do not see a "plain old driver" there?
[15:07:12] <Runaway1956> Magician does not work with SSDs connected via SCSI controller - shouldn't apply to a laptop
[15:07:23] <Runaway1956> No I don't see it either
[15:08:25] <Bytram> yeah, but I am trying to *install* windows, so I feel like I'm in a Catch-22 at this point.
[15:08:47] <Runaway1956> I remember the feeling from WinXP days
[15:09:43] <Bytram> and... my Win 10 D/L expires in a few hours. (had a 24 hour countdown)
[15:10:39] <Runaway1956> You probably don't have another hard drive to use for installation?
[15:11:09] <Bytram> not an empty one at hand, no.
[15:12:03] <Runaway1956> I don't see anything that looks useful on that page
[15:13:55] <Bytram> Hmmm, I could pick up a used spinning rust 3.5" drive for $10 back where I got the lappy originally. Not an entire waste as I have an external enclosure I could mount it in for later use, if needed.
[15:16:29] * Bytram continues pondering as he prepares to head out the door in pursuit of a new drive
[15:24:20] <Runaway1956> It sucks that people still have to jump through hoops to install Windows in 2021
[15:25:32] <Runaway1956> https://www.oann.com
[15:25:32] <systemd> ^ 03Biden makes history as first ‘absentee president’
[15:26:05] * Runaway1956 chuckles that his handlers turn off his microphone when he goes off track
[15:27:30] * FatPhil volunteers to be one of Runaway1956's handlers
[15:28:31] <Runaway1956> Wait, wut? Phone-in tech support from East Stonia?
[15:28:51] * Runaway1956 wants a Genuine Indian tech support guy who can't speak English very well
[15:30:06] <Runaway1956> #yt Eyes of Texas
[15:30:06] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- The Eyes of Texas
[15:31:49] <Runaway1956> https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com
[15:31:50] <systemd> ^ 03Texas donors threaten to pull huge endowments after triggered students refuse to sing school's 'fight song'
[15:34:15] <Bytram> yep. don't see any choice but to stop here and get a different drive to use.
[15:34:29] <Bytram> will be gone for a bit
[15:34:42] <Bytram> thanks everyone for your help!
[15:54:39] <Runaway1956> The mystery of Canada's mutant cows and irradiated non-melting butter
[15:54:45] <Runaway1956> https://reason.com
[15:54:45] <systemd> ^ 03Hard Butter Mystery Riles Canada
[16:01:11] <Runaway1956> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[16:01:12] <systemd> ^ 03LA Teachers Union Went on Witch Hunt to Find Out the Races of Parents Pushing for Schools to Open
[16:23:44] <Runaway1956> https://www.rawstory.com
[16:23:45] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Greg Abbott backs bill to stop social media companies from banning Texans for political views
[16:29:07] <Bytram> Back!
[16:31:07] <Bytram> So, I've now got 3 x 750 GB 3.5" spinning rust drives...
[16:31:42] <Bytram> 1.) WD Blue SATA 5400 RPM
[16:33:37] <Bytram> 2.) Hitachi SATA 3.0 Gb/s 5400 RPM
[16:35:23] <Bytram> 3.) Toshiba MQ01ABD075
[16:35:48] <Bytram> =g Toshiba MQ01ABD075
[16:35:48] <systemd> https://www.amazon.com - TOSHIBA MQ01ABD075 750GB 5400 RPM 8MB ... - Amazon.com
[16:37:27] <Bytram> Toshiba is apparently SATA 5400 RPM w/ 8 MB Buffer
[16:37:36] <Bytram> =g Toshiba MQ01ABD075 drivers
[16:37:36] <systemd> https://storage.toshiba.com - Toshiba Consumer Hard Drive Support
[16:41:57] <Bytram> "Your entry doesn't appear to be vaid. Please double check your product is from the US or Latin America and try again
[16:43:54] <Bytram> hmm, let's move along to another one... WD
[16:46:02] <Bytram> =g Western Digital drivers WD7500BPFT
[16:46:03] <systemd> [0 results]
[16:46:11] <Bytram> :(
[16:46:19] <Bytram> =g Western Digital WD7500BPFT
[16:46:20] <systemd> [0 results]
[16:46:29] <Bytram> =g WD7500BPFT
[16:46:30] <systemd> [0 results]
[16:46:49] <Bytram> =g Western Digital windows drivers
[16:46:49] <systemd> https://support.wdc.com - Software and Firmware Downloads | WD Support
[16:49:59] <Bytram> =g hitachi windows drivers
[16:49:59] <systemd> https://community.hitachivantara.com - I need the Windows Storage adapter drivers version 4.3.7.1110 for ...
[17:11:44] <Bytram> okaaaaay...
[17:12:15] <Bytram> ler's just try 'em and see if windows recognizes any of them
[17:43:17] <Teckla> Installing Windows is a miserable experience. Installing Linux is much easier.
[17:43:36] <requerdanos> *can be
[17:56:09] <Runaway1956> A moment can be feet, or yards long -- https://www.marinesite.info
[17:56:09] <systemd> ^ 03Righting moment and Righting Lever
[17:56:22] <Runaway1956> Results may be different in metric universes
[17:56:58] <requerdanos> putting one foot in front of the other and inching along => Putting one (meter?) in front of the other and (centimetering?) along
[17:58:20] <Runaway1956> Of course, a Microsoft moment might be two or three eons long Bytram
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[17:58:41] <requerdanos> no wait, 30 seconds. No, an hour.
[18:09:56] <Runaway1956> For your daily dose of bizarre world reporting -
[18:09:59] <Runaway1956> https://bbcbreakingnews.com
[18:10:01] <systemd> ^ 03Moment anti-lockdown protester asks bemused bystanders to call the police while being ARRESTED - My Blog
[18:59:57] <requerdanos> Pretty sure "bbcbreakingnews.com" is the kind of thing you'd hold your nose to wipe off your shoes. Outside.
[19:00:36] <chromas> bbc.com to wipe indoors :)
[19:02:14] <requerdanos> bbc.com you wouldn't need to wipe off if you stepped on it.
[19:02:23] <requerdanos> bbcbreakingnews, you'd remember not to step in again
[19:02:42] <chromas> where does bbc.co.uk cum in?
[19:02:48] <requerdanos> or one would think, anyway, I guess people vary widely
[19:03:05] <requerdanos> I think that's for people who have paid their TV license?\
[19:03:22] <chromas> I hate that they usually (but not always) redirect to .com
[19:03:26] <chromas> blimey bastards
[19:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The 40-Year-Old Version: ZX81'S Sleek Plastic Case Shows No Sign of Middle-Aged Spread - https://sylnt.us - a-bit-of-history
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[22:24:14] <FatPhil> now watching back-to-back Coming To America and Coming 2 America...
[22:24:30] <FatPhil> Yeah, I'm liveblogging on IRC - sooo miii
[23:19:28] <Bytram> FatPhil: s/^(.* - s)(...)(.)(.8)$/So \1ue\2e!)
[23:19:36] <Bytram> FatPhil: s/^(.* - s)(...)(.)(.*)$/So \1ue\2e!)
[23:19:51] <Bytram> oh well!
[23:42:55] <FatPhil> bots--
[23:43:04] <Bender> karma - bots: -47