#soylent | Logs for 2021-03-05
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[00:26:33] <Runaway1956> If you're in Auckland or New Zealand, you might consider moving to higher ground
[00:26:39] <Runaway1956> https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
[00:26:40] <systemd> ^ 03Tsunami warnings as third strong earthquake strikes off New Zealand - Times of India
[00:39:29] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.theregister.com
[00:39:31] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08AdGuard Names 6,000+ Web Trackers That Use CNAME Chicanery: Feel Free to Feed Them Into Your Browser" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[01:07:11] <Runaway1956> https://www.nytimes.com
[01:07:12] <systemd> ^ 03Dallas Police Officer Charged With 2 Counts of Capital Murder
[01:07:37] <Runaway1956> That Garcia guy speaks pretty good English!
[01:11:51] <Runaway1956> To my eyes, this is an odd-looking aircraft
[01:12:01] <Runaway1956> https://www.thedrive.com
[01:12:02] <systemd> ^ 03What Is A Diamond DA42 Light Aircraft Doing At Russia’s Airbase In Syria?
[01:42:32] <chromas> SoyGuest93544: did you check it for dust?
[01:43:10] <chromas> Maybe the heatsink needs more lube
[01:46:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX SN10 Launches and Lands Successfully -- Then Explodes - https://sylnt.us - Brings-its-own-celebratory-fireworks
[01:54:09] <AzumaHazuki> ...so burger king is apparently going to be making a 1-pound spicy burger. 4 patties, 2 slices of cheese, and some sort of hot pepper sauce
[01:54:23] <AzumaHazuki> i could probably eat half of that if i were seriously hungry but the whole one? ye gods
[02:02:45] <chromas> No true American only eats one burger per meal
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[02:35:04] <Runaway1956> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[02:35:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03LiquidVPN Faces Lawsuit for Allegedly Promoting Pirating Content" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:35:19] * Runaway1956 thinks that AzumaHazuki would eat the whole sausage
[02:44:18] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.bleepingcomputer.com
[02:44:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Supermicro, Pulse Secure Release Fixes for 'TrickBoot' Attacks" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:16:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Thousand Brains Introduces a Novel Theory of Intelligence - https://sylnt.us - something-to-think-about
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[04:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> sold, i'm hitting the king tomorrow
[04:55:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i eat one burger per meal every time i go out for burgers. it's got three half pound patties on it but it's only one burger.
[04:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's also best enjoyed about 2pm and don't plan on eating for the rest of the day, possibly not breakfast the next day either.
[04:57:15] <kyonko--> 3?????
[04:57:25] <kyonko--> shit one time I did that at work in the 2000's
[04:57:30] <kyonko--> ASS BLAST I GOT
[04:57:50] <kyonko--> I had to go home
[05:00:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> saves having to worry about separate lunch n dinner. bachelor efficiency.
[05:01:03] <kyonko--> after covid19 I can't stomach bk flame broiled
[05:01:05] * kyonko-- shrugs
[05:01:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh this ain't bk. it's bells burger basket. best fucking burgers in TN. so juicy you blind the person sitting across from you.
[05:01:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i gotta hit the sack
[05:48:25] <chromas> and then go to bed
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[05:54:29] <c0lo> =submit breaking-promisses-souls-and-news https://www.aljazeera.com
[05:54:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Australia Appeals After Italy, EU Block AstraZeneca Vaccines" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:56:48] <c0lo> They shoulda asked nice, 2-3 weeks down the road ozzies will start producing the same vaccine in 1M/mo.
[06:02:08] <c0lo> =submit https://www.aljazeera.com
[06:02:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Nine Great Apes at San Diego Zoo Get COVID Jabs in World-first" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:03:04] <c0lo> the prange-man and his family got theirs in Jan
[06:03:15] <c0lo> s/pra/ora/
[06:03:15] <SedBot> <c0lo> the orange-man and his family got theirs in Jan
[06:45:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Working on Advanced Hearing Aids - https://sylnt.us - can-we-hear-you-now?
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[07:04:33] <SoyGuest93544> Blimey, I wish I'd been awake 2 hours ago to contribute "that's what I had for lunch yesterday, and I'm still stuffed" to the conversation.
[07:05:34] <chromas> You had a four-pound spicy burger?
[07:05:46] <chromas> oh, one-pound. lame
[07:11:29] <SoyGuest93544> I think it was the pile of chips with it that killed me
[07:19:22] <chromas> was it 240i?
[07:21:07] <SoyGuest93544> 720p
[07:21:26] <chromas> that's a lot of potato
[07:21:39] <SoyGuest93544> everything was portrait mode, though - taller than it was wide
[07:22:45] <SoyGuest93544> started by cutting the burger clean in 2 down the middle, and it instantly 9-11ed
[07:23:06] <progo> FSF LibrePlanet 2021 registration site is "empowered" by FSF's CiviCRM product. not "powered by" but "empowered by". https://my.fsf.org
[07:23:07] <systemd> ^ 03LibrePlanet 2021 Registration | Free Software Foundation
[07:23:17] <chromas> We'll send you some freedom right away
[07:23:53] * progo builds a safe space in his living room in case the conference gets too roudy
[07:24:23] <progo> advertising home page: https://libreplanet.org
[07:24:24] <systemd> ^ 03LibrePlanet 2021
[07:24:57] <chromas> Your mockery is hurtful and makes me feel unsafe
[07:25:06] <chromas> Practically a death threat
[07:25:45] <SoyGuest93544> I like the order of the menu on that page
[07:26:09] <SoyGuest93544> first - register. OK, why should I register, how about you tell me what to expect there...
[07:26:28] <c0lo> ou know nothing about death threats, chromas. Question is, do you want to?
[07:26:44] <SoyGuest93544> second - safe space policy. OK, so that's what won't be there, what about *will* be there?
[07:27:15] <progo> is it normal to be three weeks out from a 2 day con and not have a list of sessions/
[07:27:21] <progo> ?
[07:27:52] <progo> **2 weeks out!
[07:28:12] <progo> they always publish a session list, on the web site. but it seems like that's been later and later every year
[07:28:49] <c0lo> Because who doen't like surprises?
[07:30:20] <SoyGuest93544> I'm glad to see their English language CoC is written by someone who can't write English properly.
[07:30:26] <SoyGuest93544> "Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance, age, body size, race, religion, nationality, sexual images in public spaces ..."
[07:30:59] <SoyGuest93544> Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to .. sexual images in public spaces
[07:31:21] <SoyGuest93544> Their own CoC could offend, and comments on such sexual images, by banning them.
[07:31:34] <progo> lol
[07:31:35] <SoyGuest93544> Their own CoC violates their own CoC
[07:31:46] <progo> if you tell them they'll just ban you
[07:31:57] <c0lo> Nothing wrong buddy. Sexual images in public spaces shall never be offended!
[07:32:47] <progo> now I think I need to attend just to watch the IRC trolls
[07:33:01] <progo> all guest participation is basically IRC mediated starting last year
[07:33:10] <progo> they were simultaneous in person and IRC before that
[07:33:42] <progo> this is the group that threw Richard Stallman under the bus for being an aspie and acting like one
[07:34:13] <SoyGuest93544> So, is the conference going to be more or less of a trainwreck than this; https://cms.zerohedge.com
[07:34:32] <progo> less
[07:34:46] <progo> the disruptive people will self-select out and not attend, to begin with
[07:35:57] <progo> btw, I do like FSF's broadcasting setup last year:
[07:36:42] <progo> 1) presenter(s) connect to a jitsi meeting hosted by the room moderator. presenters share the screen. 2) room moderator forwards their desktop capture with sound to a shoutcast server 3) audience views shoutcast livestream
[07:37:05] <progo> it's not super low-latency but it does keep things simple for MOST of the people involved
[07:38:50] <progo> I wouldn't be surprised if they've glued jitsi and shoutcast together by now
[08:11:28] <SoyGuest93544> "The annual technology and social justice conference ..." --https://www.fsf.org/news/guardian-projects-nathan-freitas-to-keynote-libreplanet-2021
[08:13:08] <progo> yeah, that's why I stopped volunteering
[08:13:17] <progo> was a room monitor several years earlier
[08:13:46] <progo> well, the overt SJW shit, and the fact that they unjustly kicked out their founder
[08:14:28] <chromas> The sad part is, he never got his printer drivers
[08:15:21] <progo> didn't he?
[08:15:48] <progo> I remember reading ~10 years ago that RMS always wanted Emacs to be a fully programmable word processor and not just a programmable text editor
[08:15:55] <progo> I never liked any word processor
[08:16:06] <progo> (unrelated, I never learned emacs)
[08:16:23] <kyonko--> lol rms
[08:16:29] <kyonko--> well, emacs has irc
[08:16:29] <progo> VS Code has a lot going against it: Microsoft owns it, and it's built on Electron. but VS Code is excellent
[08:16:51] <chromas> wasn't vs even more betterer?
[08:17:03] <kyonko--> the symbolics lispmachines were impressive for their era
[08:17:44] <progo> Visual Studio only ships for Windows and only with support for making Microsoft ecosystem projects.
[08:17:57] <kyonko--> microsoft ecosystem?
[08:17:59] <chromas> you can install plugins for other stuff though
[08:18:14] <progo> kyonko--: .net, Windows Forms, ASP.NET, Xbox, all that crap
[08:18:27] <kyonko--> Windows Forms?
[08:19:22] <progo> Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code are completely separate projects. VS Code is a mostly free open source IDE that unfortunately is built on Electron, but is otherwise excellent for many kinds of projects
[08:19:55] <progo> I only meant to mention it in passing with my 'I don't emacs' comment
[08:20:16] <chromas> EDIT.COM is where it's at
[08:20:50] <chromas> someone needs to port it to linux
[08:20:59] <chromas> would be better than nano
[08:21:12] <progo> chromas: I'm sure it runs in a DOS compatibility layer with optional CPU emulation if needed, under linux
[08:21:22] <progo> https://en.wikipedia.org
[08:21:23] <systemd> ^ 03DOSEMU
[08:21:37] <chromas> may as well do it in electron then
[08:21:39] <progo> did edit.com/edit.exe ever ship with long filename API support?
[08:21:44] <kyonko--> wait
[08:22:09] <chromas> dunno, but if I remember correctly it was just qbasic in a special generic mode
[08:22:13] <kyonko--> freedos is never going to support modern hardware, ever
[08:22:38] <progo> also there are quite a number of simple full screen TTY editors for linux. one probably looks a lot like edit.com
[08:22:40] <kyonko--> wired ethernet is as good as it will get with freedos
[08:22:56] <chromas> nothing better than wired ethernet though
[08:23:03] <kyonko--> for voip
[08:23:04] <chromas> wifi--
[08:23:04] <Bender> karma - wifi: -5
[08:23:23] <chromas> and anything else is too esoteric for normies like myself
[09:07:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Source of Hazardous High-Energy Particles Located in the Sun - https://sylnt.us - Actual-Death-Star
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[10:19:41] <Subsentient> Ehh, wifi is usually good enough. I don't have a lot of reception issues, and I've lived in many places. What ends up getting you is having a shitty wifi card that can't handle 802.11/ac or up.
[10:20:08] <Subsentient> Though, I still prefer ethernet because of the consistent performance.
[10:57:33] <boru> I think a lot of people see full wifi signal and expect high bandwidth, rather than analysing what channel the AP is on, and if there are overlaps with that.
[11:15:44] <Ingar> as they say, wifi is "up there"
[11:16:04] * Ingar charges his EMP
[11:45:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This is the Fastest Random-Number Generator Ever Built - https://sylnt.us - pick-a-number,-any-number
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[13:45:53] <Runaway1956> Detroit Free Press - this content is only available to subscribers
[13:54:42] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.firstpost.com
[13:54:44] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08WHO Inquiry Into COVID-19 Origins 'Compromised by Politics', Say Scientists Awaiting Overdue Report " (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[14:18:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Get and Install Windows 10 Starting from Win 7 Pro OEM License? - https://sylnt.us || China Makes Anal Swab Covid Tests Compulsory for Foreign Arrivals - https://sylnt.us - literal-PITA
[14:19:38] <Teckla> https://thehackernews.com
[14:19:39] <systemd> ^ 03The Hacker News
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[14:47:42] <SoyCow639> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[14:47:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03100Mbps Uploads and Downloads Should be US Broadband Standard, Senators Say" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:47:54] <SoyCow639> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[14:47:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Comcast Hides Upload Speeds Deep Inside its Infuriating Ordering System" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:48:04] <SoyCow639> =asub
[14:48:04] <systemd> Submit one or more links plus some text if you want
[14:48:07] <SoyCow639> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[14:48:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Parler Sues Amazon (Again), Claims AWS Ban Sank a Billion-dollar Valuation" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:48:17] <SoyCow639> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[14:48:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Microsoft Issues Emergency Patches for 4 Exploited 0-days in Exchange" (11p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:48:26] <SoyCow639> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[14:48:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Dish Tries to Disrupt SpaceX’s Starlink Plans as Companies Fight at FCC" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:48:43] <Bytram> SoyCow639: I think that Parler one had already been submitted
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[15:46:30] <Runaway1956> Oh crap - Star Wars is racisssss!
[15:46:41] <Runaway1956> https://www.theguardian.com
[15:46:42] <systemd> ^ 03Racist trolls may think they own Star Wars, but the saga's diversity issues are not cut and dried
[15:47:42] <Runaway1956> The original Star Wars was more diverse than anyone could have asked for - tentacled critters, androids and androgynous people, a Wookie, and so much more
[15:48:06] <Runaway1956> I don't remember any African Americans, so that makes it racisss?
[15:49:34] <c0lo> Han shot first
[15:50:54] <requerdanos> Lando was only in eps five and six, not in the original
[15:53:35] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[15:53:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03World's Oldest Known Wild Bird Has Another Chick at Age of 70" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:54:04] <Runaway1956> Of course Han shot first - only an idiot waits to be shot at first!
[15:54:25] <SoyGuest93544> it was a pre-reaction
[15:57:10] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.extremetech.com
[15:57:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Senators Call for 100Mbps Minimum Broadband Standard - ExtremeTech" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:01:16] <Fnord666> Sucks when the rules of engagement say you have to let them shoot first.
[16:01:56] <c0lo> Technically, Lando wasn't African American. A galaxy far-far away.
[16:02:55] <pinchy> jiggabooian
[16:07:40] <c0lo> SoyGuest93544, what did you do with FatPhil?
[16:08:12] <SoyGuest93544> Fed him too much burger
[16:08:59] <c0lo> Is there such a thing? Too much burger for FatPhil?
[16:10:03] <SoyGuest93544> He started expressing cow genes, and developed 3 extra stomachs
[16:22:41] <c0lo> Freedom of expression, yeah.
[16:23:11] <c0lo> Sometime too good of a thing.
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[16:34:24] <SoyCow639> =asub https://arstechnica.com
[16:34:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Rocket Report: SpaceX Explains Landing Failure, More on New Glenn Delays" (31p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[16:38:26] <SoyGuest93544> http://feedproxy.google.com
[16:38:28] <systemd> ^ 03ZeroHedge ( https://www.zerohedge.com )
[16:38:40] <SoyGuest93544> I thought the whole point of a pump and dump was that it goes up first!
[16:42:44] <c0lo> Until it's not shorted, not gonna happen.
[16:46:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Black Death: A New Culprit? - https://sylnt.us
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[17:35:13] <SoyGuest93544> =asub http://www.msn.com
[17:35:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03U.S. Says John McAfee Indicted Over Fraudulent Cryptocurrency Schemes" (6p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:21:11] <chromas> Ask Soylent: Is the Archie bunker-style accent where "er" and "oi" are swapped real or is it just a comedy thing?
[18:22:37] <chromas> (examples include "verse" for "voice", "terlet" for "toilet", "voice" for "verse", "boid" for "bird")
[18:27:14] <chromas> Found SoyGuest93544's new ultraportable lap https://www.youtube.com
[18:27:16] <systemd> ^ 03Testing an IBM PC110 Running Windows 95
[18:45:00] <SoyGuest93544> not watching that vid now, but I did notice this on the auction site: https://www.osta.ee
[18:45:05] <systemd> ^ 03COMPAQ C-SERIES First Professional HANDHELD PC Model: 2000c
[18:45:24] <SoyGuest93544> no idea which is crappier/older
[19:06:47] <chromas> Windows CE, rounded case. I'd say that one's the uglier
[19:07:59] <boru> It's called WinCE for a reason.
[19:10:53] <halibut> Posted on Schneier's blog: https://twitter.com
[19:10:54] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[19:11:12] <halibut> Text: Your threat model is not my threat model, hospital edition Image: https://pbs.twimg.com
[19:13:15] <halibut> I hope the people the sign is warning at least sterilized the equipment before /and/ after.
[19:15:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google-Free /E/ OS is Now Selling Preloaded Phones in the US, Starting at $380 - https://sylnt.us - now-with-100%-less-Google
[19:16:03] <SoyGuest93544> halibut++ thanks for forwarding that here - nice one
[19:16:03] <Bender> karma - halibut: 12
[19:16:22] <SoyGuest93544> I should read Schneier's blog more often
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[19:31:22] <chromas> Conspiracy time: Dr Seuss books pulled from retail are suddenly available on eBay for hundreds to thousands of dollars each. What if the publisher's purposely Streisanding to get that sweet black market markup?
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[19:33:01] <requerdanos> Didn't McAfee just get arrested for doing the same thing, but with cryptocurrencies?
[19:35:42] <chromas> Probably, but you only get in trouble if you mess with big moneys
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[20:31:31] <Runaway1956> https://nationalfile.com
[20:31:32] <systemd> ^ 03REPORT: Obama Said Buttigieg Couldn’t Win Presidency Because He’s ‘Gay’ And ‘Short’
[20:31:41] <Runaway1956> No president Buttplug
[20:40:00] <Runaway1956> https://www.upi.com
[20:40:02] <systemd> ^ 03Turkey crashes through window into California dentist's office
[20:42:59] <Runaway1956> =submit https://globalnews.ca
[20:43:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘Hovering Ship’ Photographed Off U.K. Coast in Rare Optical Illusion - National" (19p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:44:25] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.thedrive.com
[20:44:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03No, Elon Musk is Not Dead" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[20:46:13] <chromas> is that really worth a sub tho?
[20:46:25] <chromas> Lots of celebrities have much exaggerated rumors of death
[20:51:52] <Bytram> Hmmm, isn't an .ISO file supposed to be an image of a disk?
[20:53:11] <Bytram> Why can't I just use dd and copy the a Win 10 .iso to a USB stick and have it be immediately bootable?
[20:54:01] <SoyGuest93544> Bytram: it should work that way
[20:55:03] <Bytram> Is as ISB stick somehow different from a USB (spinning rust) drive?
[20:55:23] <SoyGuest93544> to the bios, and secure boot settings, possibly
[20:55:33] <SoyGuest93544> but as a block device, nope
[20:56:05] <Bytram> that helps, ty! ...
[20:58:49] <SoyGuest93544> is there a windows tool for wiping to 0 all unused sectors of a filesystem? I'd like to backup the win10 that will be on the laptop I've just bought onto a smaller device - so I want gzip to have the best chance of compressing it.
[21:00:04] <Bytram> dd if=/home/martyb/Downloads/Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sdb/ bs=1g count=16 status=progress
[21:00:31] <chromas> usb drives use a different booting method
[21:00:44] <chromas> linux ones can do that because they're "hybrid" images that use both boot thingers
[21:01:17] <chromas> if you grab a copy of rufus it can generate the proper image file for usb booting, but I think it only runs on windows
[21:01:28] <chromas> maybe runs on wine
[21:01:31] <SoyGuest93544> Ah, I've only ever booted linux images, and they can be burnt to any medium
[21:02:09] <chromas> usb drives boot like floppies, I think
[21:02:13] <Bytram> USB -- does it matter whether the USB is an SSD or spinning rust?
[21:02:40] <chromas> don't think so
[21:03:12] <Bytram> USB is at heart, a communications "protocol" as opposed to a file system, rght?
[21:03:14] <chromas> I haven't tried booting a usb hdd. Maybe I should, to see how it works
[21:03:46] <Bytram> USB -- Universal Serial Bus
[21:04:15] <chromas> it's not a filesystem, but the bios/uefi expects things to be just so in order to boot from it
[21:04:18] <SoyGuest93544> they should all be "block storage devices" but perhaps booting is a special thing
[21:04:29] <Bytram> whereas, an IDE drive, for example, has an entirely different communications mechanism when taking to the disk?
[21:04:42] <SoyGuest93544> yup
[21:04:57] <chromas> some systems let you boot a usb drive as a floppy or an hdd
[21:05:47] * Bytram does not know the particulars at the low level, but can kinsa see how they are different enough to not be drop-in replacable, but could be coerced to work.
[21:06:21] <chromas> Are you reinstalling Windows on your lap?
[21:06:38] <Bytram> chromas: s/$/top/
[21:06:38] <SedBot> <Bytram> <chromas> Are you reinstalling Windows on your lap?top
[21:06:44] <Bytram> yes.
[21:07:00] <SoyGuest93544> my machines have in their boot devices options "hard disk" and "USB hard disk" as separate things, but I thought "USB flash drive" and "USB hard disk" were treated the same.
[21:07:01] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[21:07:03] <systemd> ^ 03How to Get and Install Windows 10 Starting from Win 7 Pro OEM License? - SoylentNews ( https://soylentnews.org )
[21:07:08] <chromas> s/lap/crotch heater/
[21:07:08] <SedBot> <chromas> Are you reinstalling Windows on your crotch heater?
[21:07:40] <chromas> dunno. I've seen USB FDD and USB HDD though
[21:07:58] * chromas blames I, BM
[21:08:12] <Bytram> Actually, in this case, it would be a different laptop. I'm holding onto Ubuntu Mate for a while longer, I expect.
[21:08:23] <chromas> Good. Windows sucks
[21:08:43] <SoyGuest93544> FDDs didn't have partition tables, that's why they were treated differently
[21:09:13] <Bytram> and then the file system "sits on" the comms between the CPU and the drive
[21:09:16] <Bytram> yep
[21:09:20] <chromas> Didn't they predate partition tables? They should've made HDDs boot like floppies then
[21:10:13] * chromas assumes it went paper cards, paper tape, hard drives, then floppies
[21:10:14] <Bytram> I recall messing with a partition table back in DOS 3.0
[21:11:06] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[21:11:08] <systemd> ^ 03The Mysterious Dutch Railways HP Jornada 680e
[21:11:12] <chromas> Who is this mysterious fellow?
[21:11:54] <Bytram> My Seagate ST-251 hard disk was 40 MB. The max that DOS could address at the time was 32 MB. So had to partition the drive into a 32 MB C drive and a 8 MB D drive.
[21:12:59] <Bytram> ISRT that hard disk cost about $250 at the time, too.
[21:13:14] <Bytram> s/ISRT/ISTR/
[21:13:14] <SedBot> <Bytram> ISTR that hard disk cost about $250 at the time, too.
[21:15:10] <SoyGuest93544> I had a mate back in cambridge back in the 90s who used a jornada with debian as his portable machine. was pretty good.
[21:16:28] <Bytram> So, the question remains: How can I take a Windows 10 .ISO file and make something bootable; while working from a Linux machine?
[21:16:56] <chromas> Do you have wine installed?
[21:16:59] <Bytram> Cambridge: England? Massachusetts?
[21:17:01] <Bytram> nope
[21:18:55] * Bytram feels like he is assembling a 1,000 piece puzzle. Am starting to get splotches that look like "water", "sky", and "trees", but the whole picture has still not yet come together.
[21:19:31] <Runaway1956> https://www.upi.com
[21:19:32] <systemd> ^ 03New York woman finds empty apartment behind bathroom mirror
[21:19:45] <chromas> That often happens with Windows
[21:21:15] <chromas> balenaEtcher is supposed to be a good alternative to Rufus but yuckkk, it runs on electron. wtf
[21:21:36] <Bytram> what *is* electron?
[21:22:04] <chromas> it's a development platform that lets you make web-based applications packaged up like real ones
[21:22:25] <requerdanos> Electron is a retarded kit containing chrome browser in a sandbox, that lets you write "programs" in javascript to run on it as if they were real programs
[21:23:12] <Bytram> Just because you can, does not mean you should. UGH!!!!
[21:23:34] <Bytram> BI5-ish
[21:24:32] <chromas> I guess balena is really just a simple dd gui. lame
[21:24:38] <chromas> looks like the tool you want is called woeusb
[21:24:47] <chromas> "A Linux program to create Windows USB stick installer from a Windows DVD or an image"
[21:26:13] <chromas> ubuntu was nice enough to not package it up for you
[21:43:00] <SoyGuest93544> Bytram: the Cambridge that grew around a bridge over the river Cam, obviously. All other ones are fake.
[21:44:24] <SoyGuest93544> is the ISO a block device image, or a filesystem?
[21:44:46] <SoyGuest93544> Can you loopback mount it and sniff around in linux?
[21:46:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AdGuard Names 6,000+ Web Trackers That Use CNAME Chicanery - https://sylnt.us
[21:54:06] <Runaway1956> Easy Peasy Meat Loaf, made according to Dear Wife's instructions, and some cheating on my part when her back was turned
[21:54:23] <Runaway1956> 2 eggs become 5 eggs
[21:54:42] <Runaway1956> and I sneaked in a whole cup of 1 minute quaker oats
[21:54:53] <Runaway1956> not to mention half the spice rack, lol
[21:55:27] <Runaway1956> Actually, it's Ground Chuck loaf today - next week, Ground Alice
[22:02:19] <Bytram> SoyGuest93544: I have no idea...hmmm
[22:02:42] <Bytram> '(coreutils) dd invocation'
[22:02:43] <Bytram> martyb@E6410-001:~/Downloads$ file Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso
[22:02:43] <Bytram> Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data 'CCCOMA_X64FRE_EN-US_DV9' (bootable)
[22:25:52] <Runaway1956> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[22:25:54] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Torvalds Warns the World: Don’t Use the Linux 5.12-rc1 Kernel" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:27:15] <Runaway1956> Hey guys - maybe Biden is going to get one thing right?
[22:27:33] <Runaway1956> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[22:27:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Guy Who Literally Coined ‘Net Neutrality’ Now Works for Biden" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:41:12] <halibut> Bytram: Multiple sites suggest copying directly to the USB device should work (no need for a specific partition). Consider backing up the current contents before doing it, though, to make it easier to revert it to a usable drive.
[22:42:27] <halibut> Something like this: dd if=Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sd<INSERT_CHAR_HERE> bs=4M conv=fdatasync status=progress
[22:42:58] <Bytram> halibut: Thanks for that! It's a brand-new, never-before-used USB stick. Hmmm I wonder if/how it was foratted?
[22:43:06] <Bytram> s/att/matt/
[22:43:06] <SedBot> <Bytram> halibut: Thanks for that! It's a brand-new, never-before-used USB stick. Hmmm I wonder if/how it was formatted?
[22:43:19] <halibut> For a backup, assuming you have significantly more hard drive space USB drive space, just copy another image back:
[22:43:43] <halibut> dd if=/dev/sd<INSERT_CHAR_HERE> of=USB_DRIVE_IMAGE.img bs=4M status=progress conv=fdatasync
[22:44:14] <Bytram> nothing on the USB stick I want to keep.
[22:44:24] <halibut> In my experience, new USB drives come with a functional single MS-DOS partition, formatted with FAT32 or vfat or similar Windows filesystem. Within that filesystem, all bytes are zero.
[22:44:44] <halibut> Storing an image is an easy way to restore the partition and filesystem on the drive when you are done using it as a bootable CD.
[22:45:21] <Bytram> So, how do I get the ISO to the USB stick? /dev/sdb
[22:45:40] <halibut> Since it is new, and most of the bytes are zero, you can store a fairly small version of the drive by piping it through gzip.
[22:45:50] <halibut> Something like this: dd if=Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sd<INSERT_CHAR_HERE> bs=4M conv=fdatasync status=progress
[22:46:04] <halibut> That should write the ISO directly to the USB device.
[22:46:21] <halibut> (INSERT_CHAR_HERE becomes ``b'' in your case)
[22:46:27] <Bytram> oh, and pardon my ignorance, how do I find out what filesystem is on a device? Is there something like "lsfs"?
[22:46:29] <halibut> (of=/dev/sdb)
[22:47:18] <Bytram> Hmm, that conv=fdatasync is new to me?
[22:47:57] <halibut> Just makes sure the program does not exit until the data is completely written (as opposed to simply queued to be written from some cached).
[22:48:25] <Bytram> sudo dd if=Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M conv=fdatasync status=progress
[22:48:29] <Bytram> or
[22:48:35] <Bytram> sudo dd if=Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sdb/ bs=4M conv=fdatasync status=progress
[22:48:58] <chromas> no slash after sdb; it's not a directory
[22:49:02] <halibut> blkid --info --probe /dev/sdb1 <-- ought to give some information about possible filesystems.
[22:49:05] <halibut> (probably needs sudo)
[22:49:27] <Bytram> ahh, got it. Synched write, it's not done until it is DONE
[22:49:38] <halibut> Your first dd is correct -- no slash after of=/dev/sdb
[22:50:19] <Bytram> awesome! tx!
[22:50:29] <Bytram> and hear ya go:
[22:50:35] <Bytram> /dev/sdb1: LABEL_FATBOOT="USB DISK" LABEL="USB DISK" UUID="2B79-AE19" VERSION="FAT32" TYPE="vfat" USAGE="filesystem" MINIMUM_IO_SIZE="512" PHYSICAL_SECTOR_SIZE="512" LOGICAL_SECTOR_SIZE="512" PART_ENTRY_SCHEME="dos" PART_ENTRY_UUID="2b26235d-01" PART_ENTRY_TYPE="0xc" PART_ENTRY_NUMBER="1" PART_ENTRY_OFFSET="17280" PART_ENTRY_SIZE="30932096" PART_ENTRY_DISK="8:16"
[22:50:44] <halibut> To back up the filesystem, and save a smaller file, try: dd if=/dev/sdb bs=4M conv=fdatasync | gzip -9 -c >USB.img.gz
[22:51:12] <Bytram> that makes sense... thanks again(!)
[22:51:51] <Bytram> Here we go...
[22:51:53] <halibut> Then, instead of creating a fresh partition and filesystem to make the drive usable afterwards, you can just reverse that step: gunzip -c USB.img.gz | dd of=/dev/sdb bs=4M conv=fdatasync status=progress
[22:51:57] <halibut> Good luck.
[22:52:03] <Bytram> sudo dd if=Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M conv=fdatasync status=progress
[22:52:39] <Bytram> FWIW:
[22:52:40] <Bytram> -rw-rw-r-- 1 martyb martyb 6221846528 Mar 5 11:54 Win10_20H2_v2_English_x64.iso
[22:53:43] <Bytram> and... that's 2GB
[22:54:01] -!- Subsentient [Subsentient!~WhiteRat@pptdbxlc9.us] has joined #soylent
[22:54:02] <Bytram> in ~110 sec
[22:54:44] <Bytram> 3.1 GB (halfway) 158 sec
[22:59:41] <Teckla> https://www.snopes.com
[22:59:42] <systemd> ^ 03Does a Photo Show a Parasite That Replaced a Fish's Tongue?
[23:11:07] <chromas> no
[23:11:25] <chromas> classic snopes though...answering questions nobody asked
[23:14:37] <halibut> I have seen articles and shows that mentioned that parasite before. It's actually real.
[23:15:47] <halibut> ... at least, similar parasites. I am not sure I saw that one in particular.
[23:16:03] <halibut> I did not know there were multiple parasites that did that.
[23:18:29] <Bytram> well, there had to have been at least two... it's a pair-a-site, right?
[23:18:53] <Bytram> copy completed, now setting up other laptop to try it out.
[23:19:22] * Bytram is expecting there might be issues with UEFI
[23:19:47] <SoyGuest93544> UEFI is the devil's work
[23:21:00] <Subsentient> SoyGuest93544: Yes, yes it is. A fat32 partition just for the first stage of my bootloader? Bastards.
[23:21:29] <chromas> Everything supports fart32 though
[23:21:49] <chromas> that r was unintentional but I'll take credit for the crude humor
[23:22:10] <Bytram> obviously, an idea whose time has... passed
[23:22:17] <SoyGuest93544> you have to pay me royalties for my allocation tables, though
[23:22:22] SoyGuest93544 is now known as FatPhil
[23:22:38] <chromas> nah, that's expired i'n'it? that's why they came out with exfat
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[23:23:03] <FatPhil> Have I ceased to be?
[23:23:11] <chromas> Sì
[23:23:31] <FatPhil> Pushing up the daisywheel printers?
[23:25:07] <Bytram> "No boot device found. Press any key to reboot the machine."
[23:25:57] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Ạ̷̧̨̡̪̫͇͕̖͆͊͆͂̔͊͛́͜l̸̼͓͂͝l̷̡̥̿͋͋̄̊̈́̉̾̅ ̸̝̣̥͌͂̐́̔̽t̷͎̩̗̚͜͜h̵̺̀̾̅̈a̵̤̠̻͍͇͍͕̺͌ţ̷̗̳̲̱̰̓̾̒̈́̒̆̈́ͅ ̸͉͗͐́́͗̊̀i̷̭͇̘̰̪̜͎̤̞̊ṡ̵̡͓͍̠̰͇̘̦̝͋͒̑̂̑̐ ̸̪̎w̴͙̳̩͉͍̃̿̄̏̆̿̓̒́ī̷͕̙̩̐̋͛͆̚͝l̵͔̀͐̍ḻ̶̭̭͇̙̟̱̩̤̗̒͌͑͗̔̉̔͠ ̸̧̫̤̣͔͈̦̔̏͑̌é̷̫͓̼͓̆͜͝v̸̛̜̣̮̈́̍̂̂͛͐̃͠͝ͅè̸
[23:25:57] <Subsentient> ̲̾̓̓̈͗̐̏̓̾ǹ̵̞͇͔̱̱͑̔t̴̤̉ų̶̡̥̘̲̩̻̪̩̊̀a̷͓̘̻̥̯̰͖̲͊̔͋̕͜l̵͎͉̠̼̊l̴͚͆́ý̷̧̢̨̲̼̹̩͕ ̶̹̖̙̮̣͓͖̑̎c̶̤̫̫̙͑͋̏̓͗̌̃̓̽̅e̶͔͍̠̼̫̘̩͐͌̀͛͊͂̓͌͊͝ắ̷͕̩̱̏̍͛͗̒̽s̸͕͔̲̫͔̹͙̤̽̄̚e̷̢̬̠̮̟͈̯̳̰̿̓͑͌ ̸̡̥͎͎̥̠͇̭̝͋̈́͂́̆͗̇̐͐̕͜t̷̡͉͎̩͕͐͌̊ǫ̷̨̛̟̞̻̞̰̥̈́́͑͂̍̐̽͝ͅ ̶̜̦̠͇̳͎͈̿̿̈́́̅̎̌̈́̚b̸͔̿
[23:25:58] <Subsentient> ̨̧̜̖̬̘ͅè̶̼̪̺̦̤̹͈̿͜.̶̡̳͙͔͉̣̤͍̽̈́̚͠ ̸̧̭͚͖̲̰̃͋̌̄̋̏T̵̛̯̱̯͇̣̖͔̪̻͓͊́͒͌̂͝͠h̷̬͎͚̼̥͍͆̔̍͂͒̎͜͠ͅê̴̩͔͉̮͉͖̓͊̍͗̏͘͠ͅ ̷̛̹̈́͌̀h̷̨̺̞͇͍͔̱͔̟̃̇̌͆ú̷̢͍͕͍̯̪̞̉̅͛̈̌n̷̺̱̦͖̹̽̿́̑̎ģ̵̂̓͒ê̶̮̬̺̦̖̟̗̟͌̀̑̒̚r̷̫͈͇̫̈́̈ ̴̤̤̙̖̟̟̞͉̾̊̔͗̿͘ͅǫ̸̜̘̘̪͙̭̭͐̈́̾̊̋ͅf̴̩̥̯͎̈̄̇̿̓̎̃͒ ̸̛̣̄̋̀̍
[23:26:07] <Subsentient> ͖t̴̡̨̛̤̝̺̭̥̦̅͂̾̈́̒̒̈́̕h̶̢͇̫̫͓̘̺̒͌͗̿̔͘ë̸̛̫͖̬̤̆͘͝ ̷̬͔̽̓̆̌̑ĕ̸̪͕̠̟̖͍v̵̨̺̒̂̌̌͗̓̽̉͝ī̵̖͙̻l̵͉̘̉̈ͅ ̵̻̪͍̈v̵̠̅ơ̷̺̹͚̭̭̳͉̻͓̔̓͗̈́̓̀͘͝i̴͈͚͓͆̏͂̋̒͛͂̚͠͠d̷͓̗͉̱̣̹͂͗͜ͅ ̶̰͔́̈́͋̒͒̂͋̉̓͜o̴̡̩̲͇̬̰͖̪̊͌͗̾̏̓͘͘ͅf̵͇̳̘̓̆͐̕ ̵̲͇̭̩͖̤̼̳́̿͌̕ń̴̨̫̼̱̯ͅo̴̭͓̟̥̙̣̓̋̇̄̄͠t̶͌̒̌͑͗̐̃̕̕
[23:26:10] <FatPhil> probably need to enter the UEFI bios boot options and check which devices it can boot from
[23:26:12] <Subsentient> ̡̡͎̞̞̉h̵̳̜̯̣̃̑́̏̽̉̈í̶̛̺̟̻̰͓̌̿̍͆̇̂n̸̢̜̣̘͉̍g̸̢̨͎̙͙̬̃̅̾̈́̓̉̆͂̊̉ͅṋ̶̛̬̠̣̥͎̺̍ȩ̴̟̥̬̜̙̹̠̾̾s̴̳͕͊͂̈́͘͜s̷͚̹͉̚ ̶̧̬̟͍̞̻̲̳̪̄͗̃͜i̸͈̮̜̋̍͝š̴̡̻̳͕͌̈́̉͂͌̀̍ ̷̡̛͛͊̋ḯ̴͔̏̾̚ņ̷̛͔͇̞̳͉̙̈͝f̵̼͗̆i̵̢̢̧̡͈͔͍̻̞̋̀̈́̄̾͒̔̕ͅň̷͈ḯ̷̝̖̈̈̎͆̽̿ţ̴̖͇̄̄̍ḙ̷͎̋ ̶̫̱͚̫͉̇ͅa̸̼͌̏̌̿́̀͑̏͝n̷
[23:26:17] <Subsentient> ̙̓̌͒̓͐̉̊d̶̡̢̗͉̍̓͘͠͝ ̷̛̩͐͐̽̋ĩ̶̛̘̮̯̱͛̋̓n̸̻͓̳̯̗͕̿́̅̐̈̂̿̊̚s̸̯̣̘̤̣̜̗̣̏̐̽̓͌͗̃ͅa̷̝̹̺̤͐̑́̓̔̕͘t̸̪͓̭̣̜̰̫̤̋̏̈͋̏̈͛̎̚̕î̶͔̟̱̭̜̰̗̉͝a̸̢̨̞̥̤͇͓͍̕b̴̢͙̃̀̋́ĺ̴̛̦̗̼̤̰̪͌̾̈̏̄̀͘͘ę̷̛̓̎̃̌̓̔̎̑͝.̶͎̮̻̞̍̇͜͝ͅ
[23:26:19] <halibut> FatPhil: You beat me to it.
[23:26:43] <halibut> Figure out whether you need to press or hold F2 or Del or Tab or whatever the magic key is on your system.
[23:27:18] <FatPhil> I wouldn't know about this as new machines, and booting, are something I do once every 3 years, but my MSI cubi box got all retarded and sent me back to secure boot mode into window (which no longer exists on my HD) after a power cut.
[23:27:26] <Bytram> The system prompts to press F12 to enter boot options
[23:27:36] <FatPhil> Esc or Ins here!
[23:27:49] <FatPhil> No two bioses may have the same magic keys!
[23:27:51] <Subsentient> Almost every PC I have uses a different key combo.
[23:27:53] <FatPhil> gotta try them all
[23:27:56] <halibut> I can remember F2 and Del, and I seem to recall seeing a few others, but do not remember them.
[23:28:12] <halibut> Sometimes a single press will do it; on some I need to be holding it during a certain period.
[23:28:33] <Subsentient> I've seen Esc, Ins, Del, F2, F8, F9, F10, F11, Enter, Space, End, and Home.
[23:28:39] <chromas> But don't hold too early or it generates a keyboard error and you have to reboot again
[23:28:46] <Bytram> tried single, long hold, and several taps. So far no good.
[23:28:56] <FatPhil> Way back in the 90s, I remember that you needed to press it after boot - holding it down as you boot wouldn't work. and you had 2 seconds, max.
[23:29:15] <Subsentient> Many modern machines still do that.
[23:29:16] <FatPhil> UEFI--
[23:29:16] <Bender> karma - uefi: -2
[23:29:20] <Subsentient> UEFI--
[23:29:20] <Bender> karma - uefi: -3
[23:29:32] <Bytram> LOL!
[23:29:45] <halibut> The third option is to start pressing it repeatedly starting before when it tells you to press it, and continue doing so until Jimmy Hoffa delivers anchovy pizza and pineapple ice cream to your door.
[23:30:10] <halibut> (true story, but best left for some other time)
[23:30:13] <Bytram> Ya think it would help if I put the boot USB stick in the new PC?
[23:30:14] <FatPhil> BEtter than pineapple pizza and anchovy ice cream
[23:30:57] <halibut> Bytram: No. Then it might boot to Windows.
[23:31:12] <halibut> FatPhil: I eat small fish. Anchovy ice cream might be good.
[23:31:25] <FatPhil> What's worse, if you play it forwards, it installs NT4.0
[23:31:41] <Bytram> so, I know enough not to just yank the USB stick
[23:32:08] <FatPhil> context: (one of my old usenet .sigs)
[23:32:09] <FatPhil> "I heard if you play the NT-4.0 CD backwards, you get a satanic message"
[23:32:10] <FatPhil> "That's nothing - If you play it forwards, it installs NT-4.0"
[23:32:28] <Bytram> lol
[23:32:53] * Bytram spent considerable time on NT 4.0 and on NT 3.51, too.
[23:33:06] <halibut> Few fish are picky eaters. From https://en.wikipedia.org : Animals found in their stomachs include ... other halibut.
[23:33:07] <systemd> ^ 03Halibut - Wikipedia
[23:33:14] * Bytram goes back to Win 3.1 and before that to DOS 2.0
[23:34:41] <FatPhil> Ooooh, I'd forgotten this one:
[23:34:42] <FatPhil> For a while, Silicon Graphics' front webpage was nothing but a
[23:34:42] <FatPhil> Flash animation with no 'skip intro' button. Yet there has
[23:34:42] <FatPhil> never been a Flash player for SGI's IRIX workstation platform.
[23:34:51] <halibut> The Doom sound that is really a quote backwards -- I was certain it was just a garbled voice, and thought I could make out the words in it. However, playing backwards, it's pretty obvious what it was.
[23:35:32] <halibut> Does that means SGI's could not enter the page, or they were the only ones that got to skip the intro?
[23:36:06] <Bytram> IRIX... was that around the time of Indigo and Octane?
[23:36:21] <chromas> SGI was still around when Flash was popular?
[23:37:12] <Bytram> I used their stuff in '96/'97 time frame
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[23:43:17] <Bytram> oookay, got into the one-time boot menu
[23:43:52] <FatPhil> halibut: I culd only hear one obvious backward sound here: https://www.youtube.com "to win the game ..." something
[23:43:54] <systemd> ^ 03All DOOM Sound Effects Reversed
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[23:44:47] <Bytram> "Selected boot device failed" "Press any key to return to the F12 menu and choose a LEGACY BOOT or UEFI BOOT option."
[23:49:46] <kyonko--> I'll never forget when I dreamed about "No Operating System Found"
[23:53:04] <halibut> FatPhil: Yes. The sound the final demon of Doom II makes always sounded to me like a garbled statement starting off with ``Are you ready to die?'', which seemed very appropriate. Played backwards, however, it is a pretty clear ``To win the game, you must defeat John Romero.''
[23:53:48] <halibut> You win by shooting rockets into the exposed brain of the demon. However, if you edit the level (or turn on no-clipping), you find out that it has to be rockets because they are the only weapon with an area-of-effect damage.
[23:54:15] <halibut> You are actually shooting into a hidden room and damaging the actual thing below where the rockets hit -- a severed head of John Romero, the level designer.
[23:54:49] <halibut> Kind of a clever way to force a particular way to win, albeit a little gruesome to use your own head.
[23:55:26] <kyonko--> oh shit
[23:55:29] <kyonko--> JOHN ROMERO
[23:55:45] <kyonko--> the god of software
[23:55:55] <halibut> Isn't that Carmack?
[23:56:04] <kyonko--> well, I was going to say linus torvalds
[23:56:21] <halibut> That's also a good choice.
[23:56:36] <kyonko--> if you want to get into software, avoid bill gates
[23:56:49] <kyonko--> redact his name with a black marker
[23:56:59] <kyonko--> tim allen is ok
[23:57:16] <kyonko--> even tho those guys go back to imsai and mits altair
[23:58:00] <kyonko--> I remember in duke nukem 3d they had torn off genitals in the game
[23:58:09] <kyonko--> real weird
[23:58:22] <kyonko--> didn't make me a psycho