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[00:00:00] <Runaway1956> Dear wife is suffering from cabin fever, I think . . .
[00:00:13] <Runaway1956> "Is this snow never going to stop?"
[00:00:28] <Runaway1956> She wouldn't have made it through a winter up home.
[00:01:47] <Runaway1956> fliptop - I'll do my best to paint Rush as a liberal progressive commie type, just to put more bait into the flame war, lol
[00:04:58] <fliptop> OK just added some verbage about the fairness doctrine.
[00:05:06] <fliptop> Runaway1956: sounds like a great idea
[00:12:50] <fliptop> I predict a flurry of journal entries to push mine out of the 'most recent' slashbox. Any takers?
[00:13:41] <AzumaHazuki> no surprise there :/ seven years in and this place has become a slightly techier Gab
[00:13:57] <AzumaHazuki> SN really may need to die...what a sad fate :< it didn't have to be this way
[00:15:45] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: That's quite a defeatist attitude. I would like to see it florish
[00:16:19] <AzumaHazuki> I would too, but I'm not holding my breath. There are people who present facts, reason, logic, and expert studies, and there are others who wipe their ass on said presentations and troll
[00:16:23] <fliptop> s/florish/flourish/g
[00:16:23] <SedBot> <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: That's quite a defeatist attitude. I would like to see it flourish
[00:16:33] <AzumaHazuki> were you here last night for FatPhil and Uzzard's...er...Socratic dialogue?
[00:17:01] <fliptop> No I missed that one. I'll have to check the archives. But IRC is where that kind of discussion should be, isn't it?
[00:17:18] <AzumaHazuki> LOL. Apparently some people in the "wipe your ass on reality" camp don't think so
[00:17:34] <AzumaHazuki> so what do you do when a critical mass of a site's userbase is completely and willfully delusional?
[00:17:36] <fliptop> Well this room is supposed to be kid friendly...
[00:18:21] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Exercise your 1st Amendment right and argue your point?
[00:18:46] <Runaway1956> librul tears ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯ 🎤 🎵 🎶 Librul tears
[00:18:55] <AzumaHazuki> yes, but...it's like feeding cherry pies into a black hole hoping the thing stops being hungry. sociopathic trolls think it's funny, and they're not open to reason
[00:20:46] <joepublic> I'm curious about the mechanics of the black hole cherry pie feeding
[00:21:41] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Well there's no rule you have to acquiesce to another's opinion
[00:21:58] <AzumaHazuki> simple: adding mass to a black hole only makes it bigger and suck harder (well, not literally suck but you know)
[00:22:20] <joepublic> Thank you. I get it.
[00:22:33] <AzumaHazuki> it means there's no-win to dealing with sociopathic trolls. you troll them back, you lose, because they're better at it. you answer honestly, you also lose, because they like seeing you waste time and effort on them
[00:22:41] <AzumaHazuki> the only solution is containment, but how precisely do you do that?
[00:22:46] <Runaway1956> She's right, you know - the more money you throw at a black and decker pecker wrecker, the more it sucks
[00:23:11] <joepublic> be contained, sir
[00:23:25] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: How about not feeding the trolls? Save all the pie for your own consumption
[00:23:36] <AzumaHazuki> that has to be done on a site-wide level
[00:24:12] <AzumaHazuki> i'd need some way of mass-communicating to the entire userbase that there are some users who do not, and never did, argue in good faith and should just be Foe'd/-6'd and left in their own little silo
[00:24:50] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: So you're arguing in favor of censorship?
[00:25:08] <AzumaHazuki> no, just people using their freedom of association not to associate with sociopaths and trolls
[00:25:09] <Runaway1956> Yes, she is
[00:25:32] <AzumaHazuki> that's the beauty of it...the "negative freedom of association" means people don't need to spend time on $ASSHOLE and SN provides the tools necessary for people to implement this
[00:25:47] <fliptop> Well thankfully this is the wrong Website to attempt that
[00:26:50] <AzumaHazuki> er...are we understanding one another here? this isn't to impose anything from the top, it's for individuals to effectively block those who don't argue in good faith
[00:27:07] <joepublic> you can mass communicate it to the entire userbase by writing a journal entry which will be listed on the front page with the others.
[00:27:19] <Runaway1956> Tell her to use her journal to communicate her idea, lol
[00:27:29] <Runaway1956> thank you joe
[00:27:33] <AzumaHazuki> and which, like fliptop said before, might very well get buried under a dozen others in short order by people gaming the system :/
[00:27:37] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Well that's up to the individual. As it should be.
[00:27:41] <joepublic> Just list all the people that need to be ignored, and instructions as to how. all good.
[00:28:09] <AzumaHazuki> oh, there's no need for a list. everyone's will be slightly different; just providing the instructions is enough, and they'll add their own members
[00:28:19] <joepublic> submit it as a story, perhaps, an "ask soylent." If the editors agree, it will be run as a prominent story.
[00:28:31] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Sounds like you're preparing a cherry pie right now...
[00:29:01] <AzumaHazuki> fliptop, yeah, the thought occurs...but as joepublic just said, I could see if the eds would be willing to run it as a story. not enough people know about this
[00:29:06] <Runaway1956> 'zumi is going to take over the site!
[00:30:02] <AzumaHazuki> besides which, as much as people might think silo'ing off like this is counter to the spirit of the site...it's not. when a subset of the users will not and do not argue in good faith...why bother discussing things with them>
[00:30:10] <joepublic> I suspect not enough editors would agree for the story thing to happen, but it's a good thought experiment
[00:30:15] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: I'm sure enough of us are experienced enough to know this kind of thing happens everywhere. I suspect there's very few newbies on here
[00:30:55] <AzumaHazuki> I've seen stuff like this happen on other forums too, fliptop. seems inevitable. when they get to this point, there's not much time left for them :/
[00:31:10] <AzumaHazuki> god damn it, there was so much potential here too...
[00:37:45] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Dunno, I've been on the Spamcop forum since 2004 and I've not experienced anything like that. Might be comparing apples to oranges though
[00:38:18] <Runaway1956> No, she's comparing magic mushrooms to enemas
[00:38:37] <AzumaHazuki> definitely apples-to-oranges. one big problem with SN is it's based on deliberately-naive ideas about freedom of speech, in particular "the fewest rules up-front ALWAYS equals the most freedom for the most people the most amount of time"
[00:39:04] <AzumaHazuki> this is a libertarian fallacy and the real world shows it's not true over and over again, even in areas only tangentially related (see: GPL v BSD license)
[00:39:15] * Runaway1956 passes azumahazuki a napkin to wipe away the froth
[00:40:24] <joepublic> Is the GPL the libertarian fallacy equivalent, or is that the BSD license? Seems like the GPL has more rules so probably BSD.
[00:42:19] <AzumaHazuki> BSD license, yes
[00:42:37] <AzumaHazuki> de Raadt is on record ranting that he's not happy with some things done with OpenBSD's code. Things the GPL could've prevented
[00:44:32] <joepublic> I am pretty sure the GPL can't increase de Raadt's happiness, however right you may be about its abilities.
[00:46:07] <AzumaHazuki> well, yes, part of the issue is de Raadt
[00:46:34] <AzumaHazuki> but think about it: if you don't want people to do X Y and Z with your code, use a license that says "you may not do X Y and Z" instead of neglecting to and then bitching and whining
[00:46:48] <Runaway1956> I'm sure it can be blamed on the bolsheviks
[00:47:39] <AzumaHazuki> the BSD license is naive because it relies on a hidden assumption of equal goodwill, geekery, and code meritocracy. it has no way to defend against a large, resource-heavy organization essentially taking over your code base and making its version the de facto standard and the original the d efacto outsiders' fork
[00:47:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Announces HBM2 Memory With Integrated AI Processor - https://sylnt.us - smarter-memory
[01:05:54] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: I worked in talk-radio as a host for a brief moment about 13 years ago and a very wise and experienced person told me, "You'll never do a show that's all things for all people." I think that rule applies to SN too.
[01:06:25] <AzumaHazuki> well, sure. but SN has a stated purpose, and when a large group of the base deliberately disregards that purpose...?
[01:07:36] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: ...you can choose to not feed them and tune them out. Just like everyone else can
[01:08:41] <AzumaHazuki> right, which is why I want to make this information widely-known
[01:08:56] <AzumaHazuki> the inevitable end result of SN being run the way it is is siloing, so may as well get it over with
[01:09:33] <FatPhil> silageing
[01:09:57] <FatPhil> mornin'
[01:11:41] <FatPhil> I'm a bit too late to the licence party, but I always used to call BSD the "jesus licence", as in "here, take my shirt too"
[01:11:42] <fliptop> I think silos are used mostly for corn, not soy though
[01:12:09] <FatPhil> ask MonSNto about that
[01:17:00] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: If these people bother you so much... are you aware you can make them a "hoe" and apply a modifier on their comments? That, with a viewing threshold effectively blocks your seeing their comments.
[01:17:17] <AzumaHazuki> yes, i am. this needs to be widely-known, is my point
[01:17:30] <AzumaHazuki> this userbase is roughly split, AC trolls aside, into two factions
[01:18:05] <FatPhil> dudue, I can make people my ho's?
[01:18:24] <Runaway1956> The rebel without a cause needs to take charge of Soylentils, lol
[01:19:03] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Isn't the whole world that way though? "Roughly split"
[01:19:22] <FatPhil> nowadays, too true
[01:19:26] <AzumaHazuki> not really, no
[01:19:35] <AzumaHazuki> i do think most people are kind of dumb but basically not evil
[01:19:45] <AzumaHazuki> i.e., they can be brought around with effort and time
[01:21:14] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: Then put in the effort and wait
[01:21:22] <Runaway1956> all the people need is a kindly shepard to show them the way
[01:21:23] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.cbsnews.com from the Dante-says-the-lowest-circle-of-Hell-is-frozen dept.
[01:21:25] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Texas Mayor Resigns After Telling Residents Desperate for Power and Heat "Only the Strong Will Survi" (16p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:21:42] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: complaining it's not happening fast enough sounds like sour grapes
[01:21:44] <AzumaHazuki> fliptop: the people i have in mind are not part of that group. they've long since thrown their humanity away
[01:21:52] <AzumaHazuki> like i said, cherry pies into a black hole
[01:23:59] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Needs to be widely known? I definitely recall an actual story which gave instructions on how to set that up. And, IIRC, elaborated in some comments, too.
[01:24:22] <AzumaHazuki> then maybe it needs regular refreshes
[01:24:55] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, this is the last-ditch chance for a common, (relatively civil solution to this forum's problems. Seven years in and we've become geeky-Gab.
[01:25:11] <AzumaHazuki> IMO Soylentnews is past its sell-by date and needs to die, but that's not my decision to make.
[01:25:29] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: So you're looking for a way to "pin" it?
[01:26:00] <AzumaHazuki> Couldn't hurt. It would probably be a lot of annoying extra hassle to code, though
[01:27:36] <Runaway1956> Basically, SN needs to be remade in 'Zumi's image.
[01:35:45] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Yes, you are entitled to your opinion. Yes, it is not *your* decision to make. I just skimmed the comments to the Site's 7th anniversary story. A large part of it was about the effect of my </table> typo, and then I saw mostly expressions of gratitude. To improve the S/N ratio, I'd suggest that rather than bitching about the "noise" (and thus contributing even MORE noise), try contributing to the "signal", instead.
[01:36:28] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram: yeah I contribute stories and try to write informative comments. it does precisely jack shit. i'm not seeing any return on investment
[01:36:32] <AzumaHazuki> so why bother?
[01:41:57] <Bytram> Well, I see you complain, bitch, and moan to no apparent return on investment -- so why bother? Try the foe and moderation modifier trick, post positive stuff, and if nothing else it will look better to *you*. And, just maybe, cut down on the apparent need you feel to criticize and attack others.
[01:42:42] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, do you understand that a site whose staff acts against its stated purpose is unstable? do you understand that it only takes a small group of trolls and sociopaths to bring a community down?
[01:46:10] <Bytram> You are welcome to your opinion. I see things differently. When the majority of the site is a positive, supportive place... when people feel a kindred spirit among them, they will treat the others as outsiders and modrations will take care of it. We just sufferred thru 4 years of acrimonious bi-partisan political crap. It'll take some time for the ship's course to be righted, but I already see the change afoot.
[01:46:12] -!- c0lo [c0lo!~7892de8c@zqs-646-162-243-166.static.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #soylent
[01:46:35] <Bytram> To quote "Kung Fu" patience grasshopper.
[01:46:49] <fliptop> AzumaHazuki: I'm not down and I like to think I'm a part of this community. And Bytram's suggestions are spot on IMHO
[01:47:09] <AzumaHazuki> i'm running out of patience. nothing is ever going to change a sociopath and we have at least one on staff
[01:47:46] <AzumaHazuki> SN was founded on, as i said, some very naive ideas about meritocracy and free speech and the sustainability thereof left completely to its own devices. IMO it was doomed to failure from the start
[01:47:50] <c0lo> Ha! What were they thinking it will happen https://www.abc.net.au
[01:47:52] <systemd> ^ 03Facebook news ban stops Australians from sharing or viewing Australian and international news content - ABC News
[01:47:58] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[01:48:01] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Facebook News Ban Stops Australians From Sharing or Viewing Australian and International News Conten" (54p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:48:33] <c0lo> Google folded in, Facebook said a big FU.
[01:49:44] <Bytram> then I suggest that, rather than trying to change EVERYBODY ELSE, you work on YOUR patience. If you don't want anybody telly you what to do, why do you think anybody else would want you to tell them what to do?
[01:51:17] <Bytram> that said, I've spent WAY too much time here that I could have spent pushing out stories or, even, read the site?
[01:52:37] <AzumaHazuki> you ignore this at your peril, Bytram. i've warned you what's happening for years now
[01:52:55] <AzumaHazuki> as usual, no one listens to Cassandra^W Marissa. beginning to wonder if i cheated on Apollo in a past life or something :/
[01:52:59] <Bytram> Crap! Not again. I was up way too late last night trying to push out stories (1 AM my time) and was woken at 0530 was able to get back to sleep for a bit, but nowhere near enough. Looks like I'll be short on sleep again.
[01:56:19] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Yes you have. And you are entitled to your opinion. And you can share it. But you DO NOT get to enforce that on anybody else, period. I'm a stubborn cuss that the more someone pushes me to do something the more I rebel. So, you HAVE made your point. Many times. If what you suggest is SO GOOD, it should stand on its on without even one iota of pushing, forcing, demanding, etc. If it IS that good, say it and let it go.
[01:57:18] <AzumaHazuki> we both know that's not how the world works -_-
[01:57:20] <Fnord666> People in glass houses....
[01:57:56] <Bytram> And, like I've done too many times before discussing this with you, I've spent another hout+ of my night when I should have been sleeping going over the same arguments with you. If nothing else, let's agree that we disagree... and please leave me the hell alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:58:35] <Bytram> I NEED MY F'ING SLEEP! AND YOU ARE *NOT* HELPING~!
[01:58:42] <Bytram> over and out.
[01:59:02] * FatPhil sympathises
[01:59:45] <FatPhil> not sure why the body decided 03:00 was a good time to wake today...
[01:59:58] <Fnord666> I'm with you there.
[02:00:09] <Subsentient> Sometimes, there is karma in the universe. Limbaugh died from lung cancer after telling his listeners that tobacco didn't cause cancer. Rest in pieces.
[02:00:51] <Subsentient> I smoke real tobacco sometimes too, but I suffer no delusions on its health and sure as hell won't go telling anybody else that it's harmless. The gob of mucus I hack up every week proves that false.
[02:01:18] <AzumaHazuki> more to the point, that fat sack of shit spent longer than I've been alive poisoning the minds of millions of americans
[02:01:26] <FatPhil> who was Rush's fanbase? apparently none of he inlaws liked him, and they're all conservative. so what niche did he fit?
[02:01:42] <Subsentient> ++AzumaHazuki
[02:01:55] <AzumaHazuki> disaffected mediocrities like runaway, obviously :/ they even sound kind of the same, did you notice?
[02:02:48] <Subsentient> There's lots of people who are poisoned by that guy, I know a couple myself
[02:02:54] <Subsentient> Wonder how they're taking it
[02:03:04] <Runaway1956> Jesus Hazuki will save us all
[02:03:28] <Runaway1956> She, and her alter ego, Azuma Christ
[02:03:42] <AzumaHazuki> don't know, don't care, they can join him in hell
[02:04:12] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: Ever notice how racists are always fucked up beyond belief? Like they're either failures, seriously mentally ill, drug addicts, or all of the above? And they tend to accuse minorities of the same things they're guilty of, of course.
[02:04:47] <FatPhil> The first I heard of Rush was when /Lying Liars/ was doing the TV interviews circuit, as it made a bit of a splash. I instantly concluded I could happily avoid all Rush and have a happier life by so doing.
[02:04:49] * Subsentient pays homage to the hilarious Terry Davis and his G L O W N I G G E R S
[02:04:49] <AzumaHazuki> yes. it's all simple projection. i hate to be so simplistic, but "conservatives" really are all alike, no matter what justification they throw around. in the end it's all the same
[02:05:33] <AzumaHazuki> i tried for so long to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the fact is, to swallow any of that shit and believe it requires a lack of humanity and an unwillingness if not an inability to think critically. so fuck them.
[02:06:36] <Subsentient> I know a lot of conservatives who are good, moral people, but none of the ones I know are particularly fond of straight, pure logic. I think it's due to the religion thing. They embrace magical thinking outside of religion to justify the magical thinking within religion.
[02:07:19] <FatPhil> or vice versa
[02:07:20] <AzumaHazuki> I can accept right for the wrong reasons on a day to day basis. but the most charitable interpretation of that is "they do hideous policy damage by blind stupidity, no matter what good they do day to day."
[02:07:54] <AzumaHazuki> and we've passed too many critical tipping points. collectively, the damage is fatal
[02:08:01] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: Yeah, problem is they think the same about us. And they're totally convinced they're right, too. So we end up in deadlock.
[02:08:15] <Subsentient> Yeah, I was bitching last night that the US will implode rather soon.
[02:08:23] <AzumaHazuki> reality shows otherwise, but they just ignore reality, soooo...
[02:09:07] <AzumaHazuki> and i'm getting really sick of shouting into the void. it's worse than futile
[02:09:17] <Subsentient> The thing that really bothers me is I can tolerate conservatives, but I don't understand Trumpers. The man was a depraved antithesis of all that is decent and good.
[02:09:17] <Runaway1956> I'll have to copy this log to a journal entry to show everyone how crazy 'Zumi is, lol
[02:09:30] <Subsentient> What disturbs me is how many of them fell in line to suck Trump's cock
[02:09:37] <AzumaHazuki> pure tribalism, simple as that
[02:10:02] <Runaway1956> and the poor wench doesn't understand that she's as tribal as any of the people she hates
[02:10:20] <AzumaHazuki> no more reincarnation for me. i am done with this idiot planet and this idiot species. whatever else i have to learn i can learn it just fine in spirit.
[02:10:50] <Runaway1956> For those who don't know - Zoom-zoom pretends that she can't see my posts, because she has me on "ignore"
[02:11:23] <Subsentient> One of the nice things about being center-left and not that extreme or koolaid-thirsty is that I can see tribalism on both sides.
[02:11:31] <Subsentient> The species is fucked
[02:11:45] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: And there is no spirit, only the evil void of infinite black nothingness. :^P
[02:11:57] <Runaway1956> no more and no less fucked than we were a hundred thousand years ago
[02:12:20] <AzumaHazuki> eh, if you're right about that you can make fun of me for--er...wait, shit
[02:12:35] <Subsentient> ^^
[02:12:48] <Runaway1956> We DO make fun of her, lol!
[02:13:09] <Subsentient> That's the thing. We're all guilty. The US is polarized beyond belief, and my life has taught me over and over again that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
[02:13:27] <AzumaHazuki> i wish the hard atheists were right. i wish death of the body were the end of existence. i am so very, very tired. but i've seen too much to the contrary to believe that, so...soldiering on i go
[02:13:41] * Runaway1956 yawns
[02:13:41] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Runaway1956's gaping mouth
[02:13:52] <Runaway1956> not this shit again . . .
[02:14:16] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: Consciousness, the "I" singularity, I can imagine that surviving, but I cannot imagine the mind/brain/personality surviving.
[02:14:57] <Subsentient> So you may survive, but you won't know that you're you.
[02:15:03] <AzumaHazuki> bleh, what a disaster. yeah, i'm definitely done with humanity after this
[02:15:35] * Runaway1956 stands in awe of the superior being
[02:15:54] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: Welcome to the misanthropy cult. Your robe will arrive in the mail in 5-7 business days.
[02:16:10] <AzumaHazuki> i don't even hate people, i'm just done with them
[02:16:35] <Subsentient> I don't hate humans individually, but I have a fiery contempt for the human species.
[02:16:49] <Subsentient> The nature of the species is beyond saving
[02:17:05] <Subsentient> We are not good enough, not smart enough, not kind enough, to sustain ourselves.
[02:17:19] <Runaway1956> There aren't a lot of alternatives to the human species though . . .
[02:17:55] <AzumaHazuki> we could be, that's the really, really galling part
[02:17:58] <Subsentient> Sure there are. Personally I'd come back as some sort of rodent. Cute and smol, nice isolated existence, short lifespan.
[02:18:22] <AzumaHazuki> there is no reason we couldn't get our shit together technologicaly and basically terraform Terra. the tech's existed since the 90s if not before
[02:18:36] <AzumaHazuki> but nooooo, a few rich sociopaths need to win by making everyone else lose
[02:19:02] <Runaway1956> Speaking of sociopaths . . .
[02:19:20] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: I think it would take changing who we fundamentally are. Good, principled men with money to research augmenting humanity through genetic engineering and cybernetics. We could make a better us, because the us that exists now is just not adequate.
[02:20:41] <Subsentient> I have watched so many good men fall. It's too easy to corrupt men. Some congresscritters no doubt started their careers wide eyed and with the best of intentions. And look how they ended up.
[02:21:04] <Subsentient> Humanity needs a greater internal capacity for reason. That can save us. Nothing short of that can.
[02:22:20] <Subsentient> One of the most important things good people can do is remember that goodness is not a singular act, it is a perpetual endeavour, and easily lost if not maintained.
[02:22:40] <AzumaHazuki> the very fact that some of us can do that even as we are is proof we're not inherently incapable you know. it has a lot to do with environment and nurture
[02:23:07] <AzumaHazuki> this is one reason the "right" is so terrified of anything that lets us poors have a decent life, because then we have time to think, and realize hey, they're fucking us over for their own ends
[02:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, look, a wall of venom related to nothing at all that's exactly what you've been warned about
[02:23:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kickban AzumaHazuki
[02:23:52] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[02:23:52] -!- AzumaHazuki was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(TheMightyBuzzard) No reason given]
[02:23:54] <Subsentient> AzumaHazuki: Some are capable, yes, but not all. It does have a lot to do with nurture, but you must first fix enough of humanity to get the good people necessary to build a system to... fix enough of humanity.
[02:25:29] <Subsentient> hi uzzard.\
[02:25:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> that one stays for 24h
[02:25:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> sup
[02:25:59] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: What was the point of banning her? She was making some sense. :^P
[02:26:35] <Subsentient> We were having a nice existential dread convo
[02:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> she's been repeatedly warned and quieted and banned for spewing hatred all over the channel
[02:27:15] <FatPhil> .unban *!*@the.end.of.time
[02:27:15] -!- mode/#soylent [-b *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[02:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is where everyone who comes here first lands. that means i gotta pay attention to it
[02:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, you're not an irc admin and i'm backing bytram, who is and irc admin's play by doing that
[02:28:19] <FatPhil> Jah, mein Fuhrer
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[02:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, don't get to nazi me.
[02:28:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kickban AzumaHazuki
[02:28:35] -!- mode/#soylent [+b *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[02:28:35] -!- AzumaHazuki was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(TheMightyBuzzard) No reason given]
[02:28:53] <FatPhil> just did
[02:29:06] <FatPhil> you're being censorious
[02:29:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> been discussed and i made the same argument
[02:29:35] <FatPhil> she was expressing an opinion about a political philosophy
[02:30:11] <FatPhil> so now you're banning her because you don't think she should be banned?
[02:30:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> but bytram's right on this being the place everyone lands when they get here and want to talk to a staff member. walls of ragey bullshit don't belong.
[02:31:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> arguments? sure. any topic you like. straight up describing in detail your hate for anyone and everyone? nope.
[02:32:20] <Fnord666> ^^^^^^
[02:32:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean we argue all the time and call each other idiots and worse, perfectly legit. that ain't what she does.
[02:32:40] <FatPhil> ban yourself, then
[02:32:45] * Subsentient contemplates posting goatse
[02:34:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> see when we call each other idiots, it's because we think the other person is wrong about $whatever. idiots is the nicest thing she says and that's her entire point not frustration over an argument.
[02:35:10] <Fnord666> I agree with TMB. We have discussed before that this channel is "the public face" of SN on our IRC server. People can discuss what they like in (mostly) whatever terms they wish in other channels.
[02:35:46] <Fnord666> Or even create their own if they wish.
[02:36:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't get me wrong, i don't like it. there's not a great solution here but there are practical necessities.
[02:36:51] * Subsentient rubs his nyipples while making a face like you just discovered the dead mouse in the lasagna
[02:37:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... mouse lasagna...
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[02:39:17] <Subsentient> .quote TheMightyBuzzard
[02:39:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> !
[02:39:28] <Subsentient> !quote TheMightyBuzzard
[02:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and !grab at that
[02:39:38] <Subsentient> Dammit
[02:40:05] <Subsentient> $sticky save <TheMightyBuzzard> mmmm... mouse lasagna...
[02:40:05] <aqu4bot> Sticky saved. Its sticky ID is "2".
[02:40:19] <Subsentient> $sticky read 1
[02:40:19] <aqu4bot> Created by "Subsentient" at 08/17/2020 00:25:13 UTC: Second bookmark -- etymology search engine https://www.etymonline.com
[02:40:20] <systemd> ^ 03Online Etymology Dictionary | Origin, history and meaning of English words
[02:40:21] <FatPhil> nope, in the most recent case, I called you an idiot because you were posting known debunked garbage, and then being entirely clue-resistent when corrected.
[02:40:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> so you're saying i wasn't wrong?
[02:41:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> because if you're not, that sounds like "wrong" fancied up
[02:41:42] <FatPhil> if that's how you interpret that sentence, then you're an even bigger idiot.
[02:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, if you and Bytram and Deucalion can work out a better solution that lets her rage against the machine and us have a usable default channel, rock on and bless your special little head. until then i'm backing Bytram's call on the matter.
[02:43:20] <FatPhil> bytram agreed with me on that matter.
[02:43:27] <FatPhil> got another barrel?
[02:43:31] <Runaway1956> Boot her ass into #shitlords when she shows up
[02:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> erm, ask him again cause he sure as shit didn't a day or two ago when he .quiet'd her
[02:44:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> which he's done multiple times, just fyi
[02:45:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> each accompanied by requests to cut that shit out in this channel
[02:45:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> which were ignored
[02:45:11] <FatPhil> you deliberately post garbage you know will goad her into responding - there are two tangoing here.
[02:45:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't post a damned thing this time
[02:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even talk to her much in here
[02:45:38] <Runaway1956> FatPhil, you're being a bit ridiculous
[02:45:49] <Runaway1956> zumi logs in and insults whoever is in sight
[02:45:53] <Runaway1956> no one goads her
[02:45:53] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:45:53] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 418
[02:45:58] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:45:58] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 417
[02:46:04] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:04] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 416
[02:46:06] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:06] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 415
[02:46:08] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:08] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 414
[02:46:10] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:10] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 413
[02:46:12] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:12] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 412
[02:46:14] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:14] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 411
[02:46:16] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard--
[02:46:16] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 410
[02:46:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, i don't care about the karma but don't spam
[02:46:33] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard-=1024
[02:46:35] * Runaway1956 yawns watching c0lo be childish
[02:47:05] <Subsentient> █████████████▓▓▓███████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
[02:47:09] <Subsentient> █████████████▓▓▓██████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
[02:47:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing wrong with childish. nothing wrong with angry. nothing wrong with a whole lot of stuff
[02:47:15] <Subsentient> ████████████▓▓▓▓███████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫▓▓╫▓╫▓▓▓╫▓╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓
[02:47:19] <Subsentient> ████████████▓▓▓██████████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓█
[02:47:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Subsentient
[02:47:20] * MrPlow smakes Subsentient upside the head with a sigsegv
[02:47:23] <Subsentient> ████████████▓▓▓████████████▓▓▓▓╫▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╬╫╫╫╬╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫▓▓▓▓▓▓▓███
[02:47:27] <Subsentient> ████████████▓▓▓▓████████████▓▓▓▓╫▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫░░░░╩╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫▓██▓▓▓▓
[02:47:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick Subsentient
[02:47:28] -!- Subsentient was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(TheMightyBuzzard) No reason given]
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[02:47:37] <Subsentient> ████████████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓██████████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫░░░░░░»░░░╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╫╬╫╨╨░░░░Ü░╩╣
[02:47:43] <Subsentient> ████████████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓████████▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫╫╫╫░╨╨░╦g,µµ╦╫╫╫╣▓╫╫╫▓▓▓╫▓▓▓╫╫Ñd╩╩╨╙»»░░╫
[02:47:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet Subsentient
[02:47:44] -!- mode/#soylent [+q *!*@pptdbxlc9.us] by Aphrodite
[02:47:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> stop dat
[02:48:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> let me know when the macro is done and i'll unquiet you
[02:48:15] <c0lo> I'm being serious, I waste too much time already on S/N. Kicking Azuma in the middle of a dialogue with other may be the tipping point in cutting my loses and saying goodby to S/N.
[02:48:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, up to you man. ain't my decision, just one i happen to agree with barring a better solution. you got one?
[02:48:51] <c0lo> Have one hour to think about, TheMightyBuzzard
[02:49:11] <Runaway1956> still being silly c0lo - zumi's stated purpose is to destroy SN
[02:49:13] <FatPhil> Jah, jah, just obeyink orders
[02:49:20] <c0lo> Yeap, revert the ban and apologize.
[02:49:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i agree with the orders
[02:49:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above
[02:49:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> give me a better alternative or the shit you're giving is empty
[02:50:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> .unquiet Subsentient
[02:50:31] -!- mode/#soylent [-q *!*@pptdbxlc9.us] by Aphrodite
[02:50:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, not viable, sorry.
[02:51:13] <FatPhil> then you must ban yourself too, as you do contribute to the negativity onchan.
[02:51:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> note the word "better" in the phrase "better alternative"
[02:51:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> has nothing to do with negativity, as i've explained. be as negative as you like in an argument but not in place of an argument
[02:52:39] * Subsentient has a smaller ascii goatse that might actually post before his bouncer throttles him
[02:53:16] <FatPhil> ambiguous enough to be uncertain if equivocation fallacy or no true scotsman fallacy.
[02:53:50] <c0lo> Ok, you're making the decision, TheMightyBuzzard: mantaining "face" for the potential users vs losing users.
[02:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> not ambiguous at all. you're making an argument now. you have points that are not "you're bad" in a verbose manner
[02:54:15] <Subsentient> ███▓██▓▓▓▓▓▓▓▓╫╫▓▓▓▓
[02:54:15] <Subsentient> ███▓███▓▓▓╫ÑÑ╫╫╫╫╫▀▀
[02:54:15] <Subsentient> ███▓▓██▓▓╫Ü░╦╬▓▓▓░╦░
[02:54:15] <Subsentient> ███▓▓█▌Ü▓▓M╫╨╣▓▓▓╬╦╬
[02:54:15] <Subsentient> ███▓██▓╫╫╬╫▓▓▓▓╫▓▓▓╫
[02:54:27] <Subsentient> :^D
[02:54:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, i don't care about face. i care about having a useful default channel.
[02:55:27] <FatPhil> evidently, as we can see
[02:55:31] <Runaway1956> Too bad you can't just stuff her into #shitlords - that is where she belongs
[02:55:33] <c0lo> I fail to see the useful of a channel were the users can be kicked out in the middle of a conversation, TheMightyBuzzard
[02:56:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, you're like two syllables from joining her. same rules apply to you.
[02:56:50] <Runaway1956> Is there a conversation going on?
[02:56:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, you not seeing it don't mean there isn't an intended one.
[02:56:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> um, yes
[02:57:25] <Runaway1956> I have provided useful input to that conversation
[02:57:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's not terribly relevant. if you don't have anything to contribute except insults, hold off until you think of something.
[02:58:37] <c0lo> Maybe there is, and thus *I*'m not seeing the reason to continue on S/N. Maybe there is no other reaon except your personal one.
[02:59:11] <c0lo> I contest your authority in this respect.
[02:59:19] <Subsentient> Can confirm that I was having a nice convo with azuma and runaway, much like tossing a cobra and mongoose into a cat crate and watching them fight
[02:59:25] <FatPhil> SN and the SN IRC are different environments
[02:59:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't have a personal one. she doesn't really bother me. but i'm aware that my skin is much thicker than most of humanity's
[02:59:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, ed zackery. which is why i've said fuck-all about her saying whatever she likes on the website.
[03:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> i will in fact champion her ability to if it comes up.
[03:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you may quote me on that
[03:00:57] <FatPhil> i don't doubt you on that
[03:01:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, yeah, quality flamebaiting there.
[03:01:52] * Subsentient can't help it, he's mischievous
[03:02:14] <Runaway1956> lol
[03:02:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, i'd let her back in here to discuss the matter even but she's repeatedly demonstrated she's utterly unwilling to consider that her wanting to rip on people is not as important as having a useful channel.
[03:03:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> not even agree, just entertain the possibility
[03:04:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> but seriously, folks. give me a better, viable alternative and i'll back it to the end.
[03:06:29] * Subsentient has a better, viable alternative
[03:06:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> shoot
[03:07:42] <Subsentient> Just let the channel go straight to hell, it doesn't matter. If the site is free of censorship, why shouldn't IRC be as well? Do you think people are going to see gay niggers from outer space posts on SN and be okay, but hear some bickering on IRC and throw a fit?
[03:08:09] <c0lo> #tell
[03:08:09] <MrPlow> #tell <nick> <message>
[03:08:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> any other channel i'd agree. this is the one where people land when they join though and that provides utility
[03:09:43] <c0lo> #tell AzumaHazuki make an effort an stick to the "Please keep the discusion civil" on top. Your failure in doing so may result in me getting out entirely
[03:09:43] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[03:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> not remotely a comprehensive reason but one example is it's kinda nice to be able to have folks join and tell us the site's not working or ask questions
[03:11:36] <Subsentient> Okay. So. Gay niggers from outer space is okay here, and arguing's not though?
[03:12:22] * c0lo fucks reason he can't have control over, much less comprehensive ones, they're irelevant
[03:12:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> arguing's fine, that's not crucial signal but it's signal. spewing insults without argument is noise.
[03:12:44] <Subsentient> Well, you're a gay nigger.
[03:12:55] * Subsentient is going to hell
[03:12:56] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[03:13:14] <Subsentient> I love gay niggers. They have the biggest cocks.
[03:13:17] * TheMightyBuzzard smakes Subsentient with his newly acquired intersectional points
[03:13:43] * c0lo doesn't get how some are shrugged on, while others are banned
[03:13:59] * Runaway1956 rolls eyes
[03:14:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, context. learn it.
[03:14:25] <c0lo> Subsentient is asking for it, TMB choses to apply context
[03:14:28] <Bytram> @roll 3d5
[03:14:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient was obviously fucking with me
[03:14:35] <Bytram> #roll 3d5
[03:14:35] <MrPlow> pass 1: 6
[03:15:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you care to weigh in on the hornets' nest i kicked by backing you on this? ima go grab a smoke.
[03:15:31] <c0lo> tick-tock, TMB, half an hour gone.
[03:16:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, do what you gotta do man. i'll miss ya but you gotta do what you gotta do.
[03:16:42] <c0lo> subsentient was obiviously fucking with azuma and runaway too.
[03:16:55] <c0lo> Fucking is fine, eh?
[03:16:57] <Subsentient> c0lo: I wouldn't leave. Just learn to tune out the bickering.
[03:17:01] <Subsentient> Everybody likes to fuck
[03:18:08] <Subsentient> Sure I kick the hornet's nest from time to time, but it's better to just stay out of the more heated arguments and not pay attention. Maybe post a tubgirl or two to derail it.
[03:18:58] <Bytram> c0lo: I got way too little sleep last night, and did NOT get to nap this afternoon, and to top it off spent at least an hour in "discussion" with azumi, so it would be an umderstateent to say I am utterly knackered at this point.
[03:19:37] <c0lo> subsentient, I see a sudden drop of a hammer, without byrams 3 warnings, as something I don't like. And there's no compulsion in this case to do something I don't like
[03:19:44] <c0lo> much less filtering
[03:19:48] <Bytram> I really should be in bed right now. So I do not trust my reasoning ability at this point unless it is to either eat dinner or go to bed.
[03:20:46] <c0lo> bytram, go to sleep, bichering doesn't worth health
[03:20:46] <Subsentient> c0lo: Yeah I agree, I don't think Azuma deserved the ban. But at least it's temporary
[03:21:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, you haven't been paying attention then. she's been quieted multiple times, each time with a warning as to specifically why before hand.
[03:21:58] <c0lo> subsentient, azuma may have deserved the ban. But shoot first, ask questions later is something I don't like.
[03:22:03] * Runaway1956 has watched the .quiets and then watched her tell everyone to get fucked in various more or less imaginative ways
[03:22:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's within the past two weeks. most recently this morning if you really want a timeline.
[03:22:32] <Subsentient> Don't just tell everyone to get fucked. Hire hookers. Be the change you want to see in the world.
[03:22:44] <c0lo> Was it waened by you, TMB?
[03:23:01] <c0lo> s/waened/warned/
[03:23:01] <SedBot> <c0lo> Was it warned by you, TMB?
[03:23:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> only the one this morning i think. rest were Bytram.
[03:24:00] <Subsentient> We need a new unicode extension that allows you to draw arbitrary lines and curves.
[03:24:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wouldn't have bothered this time but he wasn't here and i'm frankly sick of her ignoring repeated warnings.
[03:24:11] <Subsentient> Then I can copy-paste literal goatse into the chat
[03:24:13] * c0lo tells subsentient to be the change you want to see in the world
[03:24:21] <FatPhil> c0lo: alas a warning from TMB would be treated as goading. There's positive feedback between them.
[03:24:38] <Subsentient> FatPhil++
[03:24:38] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 104
[03:24:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, no need. we've all seen it. mentioning it is enough to bring it back to mind.
[03:24:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, which is why i wouldn't have bothered, yes.
[03:25:10] <Bytram> She had received numerous warnings before over the course of.. a couple weeks(?). Some short timeouts, too. She seems to have not understood things. This is an attempt to help her understand. If she wants to spew venom, do it in another channel -- not here. She MAY have been civil at the moment the kickban was given, but IIRC that was after posting a wall of vitriol.
[03:25:15] <Subsentient> Yeah but it's just not the same, uzzard. You have to see his gold ring and the giant tennis ball sized cavity.
[03:25:29] <c0lo> If you choose to be mischevious, I suspect this is the change you like to see in the world Subsentient
[03:25:37] <FatPhil> note that it takes 2 to have positive feedback. either could stop it, neither does.
[03:26:11] <Subsentient> c0lo: All I'm gonna say is mischievous != malicious
[03:26:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unlocking the Mystery Behind Skeletal Ageing - https://sylnt.us
[03:26:14] * c0lo hmmm... S/N mischiveous editors
[03:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, yeah, it doesn't bother either of us. which is just consenting adults anywhere but in this specific channel.
[03:26:45] <Subsentient> Yeah well I got whacked for that once and I'm not gonna do it again
[03:27:09] <c0lo> Subsentient, just a matter of interpretation of written signals, Poe's be damned.
[03:27:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, i think your journal needs an ascii goatse. or uuencoded.
[03:27:44] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: good idea.
[03:28:18] <Subsentient> c0lo: If you really wanna know the kind of person I am, I have googly eyes on my roomba.
[03:28:39] <c0lo> OK, this time seems that I was mostly wrong. Good to have an hour to consider.
[03:29:15] * c0lo stops tick-tock, it wasn't needed. *this* time
[03:29:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, but it's also why i don't often talk with her here unless she seems actually willing to engage on a topic other than "you're a horrible person" for a change
[03:29:45] <FatPhil> damn, the g/f gave me a haul of beers each dressed up thematically, most with googly eyes - now I know what do do with them!
[03:30:31] <c0lo> subsentient, way to avoid my point. Your choice, man.
[03:31:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, good to hear. you're my second favorite roo-fucker. giving crutchy 7 years absent to declare him legally dead before you get to be first place.
[03:31:07] <Subsentient> c0lo: The change I want to see in the world is insanity and depravity, and everyone laughing maniacally enjoying every second of it.
[03:31:09] <FatPhil> googly-eyed roomba can have as it's first task cleaning up all the spruce needles from the xmas-themed bottle
[03:31:41] * c0lo shoots subsentient to save him the pain
[03:33:01] <FatPhil> him = you or him?
[03:33:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> both. c0lo's thoughtful that way.
[03:37:00] <Subsentient> c0lo: I want people to be happy. I want people to be weird. And I want people to be happy being weird.
[03:38:07] <c0lo> subsentient, take my hint, make them happy first, they won't mind being weird after.
[03:38:18] <Subsentient> Fair enough
[03:38:24] <Runaway1956> Grumpy Smurf hates happy
[03:39:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> being weird makes me happy
[03:39:05] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard++
[03:39:05] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 411
[03:51:17] <Subsentient> https://soylentnews.org
[03:51:20] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of Subsentient (1111)
[03:54:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like it but i think you should uuencode a small jpg of it as well. a large one would take way too many characters.
[03:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, ima go to sleep now. zumi ban goes poof at 20:20 central/21:20 eastern/02:20 UTC tomorrow. if i ain't here right then, anyone else feel free to do the honors.
[04:10:56] * Subsentient updated it to make it more realistic
[04:31:04] <Subsentient> Bytram: If you're wondering why I haven't been editing much, I'm afraid it's because I've been working full-time again, and I don't have a lot of free time at all. So the little I get tends to be spent on sleep or netflix.
[04:31:24] <Subsentient> But, I'm still here, and I still intend to help when I can. :^)
[04:32:21] * Subsentient is the last best hope for the company he's working for -- if he can't fix the code in the next couple months, the company dies, it's that simple
[04:32:54] <Subsentient> Doing it all with no help, it sucks
[04:40:07] * c0lo says subsentient' sleep spares the world of goatse
[04:40:39] * c0lo says so he'd better do it more often
[04:42:17] <Subsentient> c0lo: There is no escape from goatse, only temporary relief. Goatse is eternal.
[04:48:43] <c0lo> I note that you abuse the editors priviledges somehow. The usual user can't get the same.
[04:49:07] <c0lo> s/dge/ge/
[04:49:07] <SedBot> <c0lo> I note that you abuse the editors privileges somehow. The usual user can't get the same.
[04:53:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, aren't any special magic ed abilities on journals. even us admins get the same old stuff you get.
[04:55:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really gotta stop drinking caffeine in the evenings. get all laid down and ready for bed and zoom goes the brain and "hey, pay attention to me or else" goes the bladder
[04:55:56] <c0lo> TMB, I tried <span> and img in the journal, they seem to be stripped down
[04:57:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's text not an img
[04:58:52] <c0lo> subsentient made it with spans. I tried the same, span is filtered out, only text remains.
[04:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, yeah, span's not in the allowed tags list. thas a proper bug.
[04:59:23] <Subsentient> c0lo: You need to select "Full HTML mode"
[04:59:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> eds get a bit more leeway on story layout but it's not supposed to carry over into journals. check what he said please?
[04:59:45] <c0lo> I did. Still no dice for me.
[04:59:50] <Subsentient> Also I realized I could have just embedded the goatse hello.jpg with full HTML, but I decided to have mercy on my victims.
[05:00:59] <Subsentient> c0lo: uzzard is right though, it just worked for me. I didn't do anything special. The editor's GUI is mostly just a toolbar at the top of the site that I rarely touch.
[05:01:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't work for me either and i've got a higher seclev than him
[05:01:07] <c0lo> the best I could, https://soylentnews.org
[05:01:10] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Important announcement (nsfw)
[05:01:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, does it show in journal entry preview?
[05:02:22] <c0lo> Nope, spas get filtered out, img the same, even in Full Html
[05:02:38] <Subsentient> c0lo: Do it in a journal.
[05:02:46] <c0lo> Must be only in the editor's tools
[05:02:49] <Subsentient> Journals are much more lenient
[05:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> does for me too in journal in HTML mode.
[05:02:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least in preview
[05:03:07] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: It filters or doesn't?
[05:03:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, full html not just html
[05:03:31] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, it needs to be full html
[05:03:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> filters in html, doesn't in full html
[05:04:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, double check Full HTML Mode? very bottom choice in the list.
[05:04:26] <c0lo> https://soylentnews.org
[05:04:28] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of c0lo (156)
[05:04:39] <c0lo> I swear it was full html mode.
[05:05:15] <c0lo> And the content was a few lines of copy-pasta from subsentient's
[05:05:27] <c0lo> spans with styles.
[05:05:35] <c0lo> Gone.
[05:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh. isn't a secret tool, just a bit of logic that shouldn't explicitly allow special powers in journals but apparently does.
[05:05:56] <c0lo> For some, not for me.
[05:06:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> eds don't have to do anything special to put an img or span tag in a story, just put it in. apparently come copy pasta that shouldn't have happened did.
[05:06:40] <c0lo> You checked that journal entry? Can I delete it now?
[05:06:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> go fer it, thanks
[05:08:01] <Subsentient> https://soylentnews.org
[05:08:02] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of Subsentient (1111)
[05:08:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> guess it wouldn't hurt anything to let folks use span in journals. don't think it'd usher in a grand new era but it shouldn't break anything.
[05:08:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Subsentient, looks like only seclev > 1 folks can. editor powers getting granted where they shouldn't be. bug.
[05:09:40] <Subsentient> TheMightyBuzzard: Damn. Well why not allow images in journals?
[05:09:49] <Subsentient> Surely I've made a compelling case for them ^^
[05:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's Shirley, tyvm
[05:11:05] <c0lo> Ok, was about give another try with img. Good to know it's useless from my position.
[05:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly cause that'd take a code change and i'm pretty tired tonight. might look into it tomorrow afternoon though. shouldn't be a big change either way it goes.
[05:11:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, give it a shot. preview should be sufficient.
[05:17:12] <c0lo> span or img, TheMightyBuzzard?
[05:17:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> img
[05:18:52] <c0lo> (span doesn't just tried. Going with img)
[05:21:04] <c0lo> img not working, filtered out from the source in preview
[05:21:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay, definitely errant code then.
[05:21:42] <c0lo> (tried one with a "data" value for src attr)
[05:22:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think allowing span wouldn't be a big deal but i think ima narrow it down to only allowing color and background-color style attributes. too much wackiness can be done with arbitrary css styling.
[05:23:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> img, maybe maybe not.
[05:23:12] <c0lo> Awww, was waiting from the background-image in css.
[05:24:02] <FatPhil> transition it in while he's not looking...
[05:24:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i don't particularly mind the idea of folks being able to slap a stupid or annoying image in a journal entry, illegal ones could cause problems though.
[05:25:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> though not really any more than links to them i suppose
[05:25:42] <c0lo> In any case, with data url, the image is hosted on S/N.
[05:26:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that's easy to strip out though.
[05:26:44] <c0lo> Which can mean the trouble of being asked to remove the posts.
[05:27:03] <c0lo> Right now, <a href with data is working.
[05:27:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, just put a s/src=.data//ig filter in
[05:28:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> too late at night for me to remember if that's going to be a pain
[05:28:56] <c0lo> It is *working* right now https://soylentnews.org
[05:28:59] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Important announcement (nsfw) ( https://soylentnews.org )
[05:29:31] <c0lo> That image is already hosted by S/N.
[05:30:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, still subject to maximum comment size but i spose it needs fixing
[05:31:16] <c0lo> =blame
[05:31:16] * systemd points at Bytram
[05:31:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, ima grab a smoke and hopefully fall asleep before i finish my book
[05:38:28] <Subsentient> https://soylentnews.org
[05:38:30] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of Subsentient (1111)
[05:44:50] <Subsentient> Well I gotta make up some work hours. Night for now guys.
[05:45:04] <Subsentient> Make me proud, post lots of disturbing cursed shit ^^
[05:45:29] * Subsentient slithers back down the toilet
[05:46:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Perseverance Mars Rover Landing 2021-02-18 11:15 AM PST (1415 EDT; 1915 UTC) - https://sylnt.us - Where's-Marvin?
[06:22:33] <c0lo> Subsentient, oblivious imgur does redirects on URLes that look like images? Or was it on porpoise?
[06:22:34] * chromas double-flushes
[06:24:45] <Subsentient> c0lo: Weird.
[06:24:48] <Subsentient> chromas: Does it work for you?
[06:27:10] <Subsentient> c0lo: yeah it's deleted, that figures
[06:27:16] <c0lo> See my comment on your journal.
[06:27:19] <Subsentient> Imgur being nazis
[06:27:23] <Subsentient> Yep I saw
[06:27:25] <chromas> Subsentient: no; you came back up :D
[06:27:35] <Subsentient> Lol
[06:27:48] <chromas> $burrito Subsentient
[06:27:48] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at Subsentient
[06:27:57] <Subsentient> $burrito chromas
[06:27:57] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at chromas
[06:28:05] * chromas munches
[06:29:22] <c0lo> So mu(n)ch work fer nutin'
[06:33:09] <Subsentient> c0lo: chromas: Improved another piece of art of mine. I think it looks much clearer with the smaller font, don't you agree? https://soylentnews.org
[06:33:13] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of Subsentient (1111)
[06:35:20] <chromas> Looks like the Oregon Ducks logo
[06:36:04] <chromas> warning, goatse alert: https://cdn.wallpapersafari.com
[06:37:14] <Subsentient> Yeah kinda does
[06:44:42] <chromas> Maybe we need to bring back the # channel for all the bickering
[06:56:52] <c0lo> There, chromas, you were cited
[06:57:25] <chromas> ah oh
[06:57:36] * chromas loses the ticket
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[08:16:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spy Pixels in Emails Have Become Endemic - https://sylnt.us - pics-or-it-didn't-happen
[09:21:57] <chromas> I have to verify my email address for my bank every once in awhile because I
[09:22:04] <chromas> "haven't been opening their emails"
[09:22:47] <chromas> (Speaking of spy pixels)
[10:11:45] <gozar> uglyemail.com
[10:12:31] <inz> I'm happy that my bank does not send me e-mails
[10:12:47] <inz> (except a generic notification email that only says I've got invoices to pay, but nothing more)
[10:16:22] <inz> Of course they use latin1/9 in that mail, and don't specify the character set in content-type header, so it gets rendered wrong in many clients, but that's no biggie
[10:18:33] <FatPhil> #weather
[10:18:35] <MrPlow> Apteegi, 10123 Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 11/8F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Overcast throughout the day." 18/11F, Humidity: 78%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~8mph. Sat: "Foggy overnight." 21/17F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 5%, Wind ~6mph.
[10:20:27] <FatPhil> only one of the 3 accounts I have wants to mail me personally. the others do do generic "our terms of service have changed" non-personalised ones occasionally.
[10:21:11] <FatPhil> mutt is my mail reader, I really have no idea if they have embedded pixels in them
[10:44:57] <Ingar> thunderbird or alpine
[10:47:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mutation in SARS-CoV-2 Spike Protein Renders Virus up to Eight Times More Infectious - https://sylnt.us - social-distance-moved-to-12-feet
[12:02:38] <Ingar> social distance 1.5m times 8 is 12m not 12 feet :p
[12:09:12] <inz> I'd like to move to mutt, but never bothered to study how to get it nicely working with multiple imap boxen
[12:13:53] <FatPhil> theoretically it should work fine, but I never really used imap much
[12:21:54] <FatPhil> Ingar: in order to have an 8th the number of people in your immediate vicinity, you only need to increase inter-personal distances by sqrt(8)=2.83.
[12:22:55] <inz> should probably move my own mails back from gmail
[12:23:05] <inz> I just don't like the spam filter adjustements
[12:32:52] <FatPhil> postgres with all the derpy spam filters (obvious fakery) enabled, plus postgrey cuts out 98% of our spam, so I don't even need content-aware spam filtering much.
[12:33:20] <FatPhil> But I do have some disgustingly highly spammed domains
[12:35:37] <FatPhil> I still have some procmail filters I've been using for decades that also do content filtering, but each one filters to a different spam bin and I've been culling the filters that no longer apply. I think I'm down to about 10 rules now. (of which a couple are whitelisting mailing lists)
[12:36:19] <FatPhil> I fricking hate procmail, I plan to rewrite something just as functional but simpler real soon now (in the next ~2 decades)
[12:37:17] <FatPhil> I looked at sieve briefly, but that only reduced the retardedness by 80%, it still had a few WTFisms in it.
[12:44:59] <inz> Have you looked at nmh, mmh or fdm?
[12:48:20] <FatPhil> never even heard of them - will take a peek
[12:49:59] <inz> suckless.org tends to be a good source for decent sw
[12:50:58] <FatPhil> and terrible attitude
[12:51:04] <inz> yes
[12:55:19] <FatPhil> I'm a happy DWM user, have been for well over a decade
[13:00:44] <chromas> Are you using postgres for mail? :D
[13:02:37] <FatPhil> I really must fix that, post-haste
[13:06:11] <inz> I don't remember when I started using dwm, at least two laptops ago already :)
[13:06:44] <inz> Probably not a decade, but half-a-one sounds about right
[13:11:00] <chromas> No drop shadows or wobbly windows. Less space than xmonad. Lame.
[13:17:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook to Block Users from Sharing News in Australia - https://sylnt.us - at-what-age-does-it-change-from-news-to-olds?
[13:18:07] * chromas shares newds to Australia
[13:23:58] <FatPhil> less space how?
[13:25:56] * FatPhil tells you to look over there, and presses Alt-b
[13:27:19] * chromas imports old.memes from slashdot;
[13:28:16] * FatPhil exports slashdot to old.memes
[13:29:51] <inz> Imagine a beowulf cluster of old memes
[13:30:22] <Runaway1956> beowulf is so old . . .
[13:30:37] <Runaway1956> you need a quantum cluster now
[13:51:11] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[13:51:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5497
[14:00:38] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:00:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5498
[14:01:24] <Bytram> Subsentient: Thanks for the update on your work situation and best of luck in getting things sorted out!!
[14:02:13] <c0lo> there's no luck if you have to work.
[14:05:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Subsentient: c0lo: FatPhil: I saw some chatter in the backscroll about allowing users to post images to the site. That gets a hard NO from me. Not everyone has a multi-megabit, uncapped internet connection, including your truly. Links to images, videos, etc. work fine. Let's keep it that way.
[14:07:50] <c0lo> Bytram, you got it wrong. TMB asked me to test if I can post an image and promises he'll consider span-s
[14:07:56] <Bytram> Also, atm we (seemingly) have gobs of free space. If we allow images/video/etc. then we are setting ourselves up to storing that forever -- a monotonically increasing, and much, MUCH more rapid consumption of disk space.
[14:08:57] <Bytram> Oh, okay. But my point still stands. No images. No videos. Not at all. Use links, instead.
[14:09:45] <c0lo> Bytram, <img src="url-to-example.com"/> doesn't consume space.
[14:12:08] <c0lo> On long term, all those links to upside will go dead, and images will go borken. That's likely to happen to <a href-s too, but that's why one has the blockquote. A borken image however, has only the alt attr
[14:13:24] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:13:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5499
[14:13:25] <c0lo> ^^ allowing <img src=external> to users doesn't seem like a bright idea to me either.
[14:13:42] <Bytram> Oh, goody!
[14:13:43] <c0lo> Eh, WTF, coffee++
[14:13:43] <Bytram> coffee++
[14:13:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5500
[14:16:47] <Bytram> Yeah, brain fart. For some reason, I thought folk were talking about uploading images and videos. Then again, the bandwidth issue still stands. I DO NOT want to load a discussion page and find it contains, say, 5 MB or 500 MB of images in it! If that happens, I see no way I can continue to participate on the site.
[14:20:21] <c0lo> However, due to a sloppy QA, it is possible right now to host images on S/N.
[14:20:27] <c0lo> =blame
[14:20:27] * systemd points at Bytram
[14:20:48] <Bytram> LOL
[14:21:11] <c0lo> https://soylentnews.org
[14:21:14] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Important announcement (nsfw)
[14:21:21] <Bytram> As if the original slashcode on which the site was built ever underwent a formal QA process?
[14:21:29] <c0lo> ^^ that's a hosted image.
[14:21:54] <Bytram> Hmmm, up for some "fun" -- see if you can reproduce this on slashdot!
[14:22:43] <c0lo> Nope, see if *you* can repro on slashdot, I'm not that curious
[14:22:44] <Bytram> I suspect this might be something we inherited.
[14:22:51] <Bytram> lol
[14:24:36] <FatPhil> I haven't seen a compelling argument for support of <span> yet.
[14:25:04] <c0lo> Did you see that image? It used a trademark in a context which I'm sure the owners would be absolutely extatic and will instruct their lawyers to send congratulation letters to S/N.
[14:25:17] <Bytram> I *so* wish you hadn't pointed that out... I last saw it on slashdot and found it absolutely abhorrent back then. /me needs lots of eyebleach
[14:25:44] <Subsentient> Bytram: I think you misunderstood what we're asking for. We're not asking for images in comments or stories, just in journals.
[14:26:04] <FatPhil> Then again, I use plain text for everything, I don't see the need for even the simplest graphical-browser-rendering-hints markup.
[14:26:14] <janrinok> but at a mere few kb of data it will not overload the database either. Still prefer not to see it - but c0lo is technically correct
[14:26:57] <janrinok> Subsentient, journals get saved in the same database as every other story - so Bytram's point still stands.
[14:27:02] <Bytram> FatPhil: good point. Also, IIRC, the site's CSS is already dependent on some strange things... WHY OR WHY must every <blockquote> end up being changed in <blockquote><div> ???????
[14:27:12] <Subsentient> janrinok: True, but SN shouldn't be hosting those images.
[14:27:12] <c0lo> I'm asking to not allow img tags, even in journals. Nothing more abhorent than a wall of text about an image that's borken.
[14:27:23] <Bytram> what was wrong with plain old <quote> ??
[14:27:39] <c0lo> Even a cold coffee or a warm beer is better.
[14:28:02] <janrinok> which is why we 'say' that images are not permitted. How do you suggest we filter out such images?
[14:28:09] <FatPhil> Subsentient: if SN is hosting marked-up text that looks like the images - it's hosting the images, just in a crappily rendered form.
[14:28:46] <Subsentient> FatPhil: You mean like ASCII art?
[14:29:04] <FatPhil> obviously
[14:29:34] <FatPhil> have you not noticed the word "art" in "ASCII art"?!??!? It's a pretty strong hint it's an image.
[14:29:37] <Subsentient> FatPhil: So if we enable images, then nobody will want ASCII art.
[14:29:50] <FatPhil> not a logical argument
[14:29:53] <Subsentient> Sure it is
[14:29:57] <FatPhil> no it isn't
[14:30:07] <chromas> Quote is different from blockquote. It's usually presented as inline text with quotation marks
[14:30:08] <c0lo> I don't have a strong opinion on ASCII art, ut allowing href="data:" is legally dangerous.
[14:30:33] <Subsentient> SN should not host any images, including as data/uuencoded. But you should be able to embed images that are hosted on other sites in your journals.
[14:30:39] <Bytram> Let me make it clear: some of you guys may think it's just some big joke. As lighthearted/fun/playful as you may think it is, the pendulum is just as far on the despicable/obnoxious/putrid scale for me.
[14:31:05] <c0lo> subsentient, I disagree.
[14:31:21] <Subsentient> c0lo: Why?
[14:31:21] <Bytram> Point to as a link, fine. Have appear in the course of reading a story or journal? No No No!
[14:31:37] * c0lo sees bytram melting
[14:31:52] <c0lo> bytram, moar coffee?
[14:32:07] <FatPhil> One must not forget the NCommander retro-computing posts, wherein images were appreciated.
[14:32:08] <Subsentient> Bytram: But, if it gets embedded, then I don't have to trick people into clicking the link!
[14:32:20] <Subsentient> FatPhil++
[14:32:20] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 105
[14:32:32] <c0lo> subentient, because an img is bound to get borken and we hates it
[14:32:36] <chromas> Subsentient: if you really want to rustle some jimmies, instead of goatse you should post the dmca
[14:32:46] <janrinok> the community should have the option whether they download any data that has any significant size. Which is why we provide links to images, PDFs etc and do not include the data itself.
[14:32:54] <c0lo> s/suben/subsen/
[14:32:54] <SedBot> <c0lo> subsentient, because an img is bound to get borken and we hates it
[14:33:11] <Bytram> You think I'm joking? We had a story here about the folk who worked at facebook, IIRC, who were tasked with checking reported images, videos -- so many suffered severe mental issues as a result.
[14:33:33] <Subsentient> Ahh, yeah fair enough
[14:34:09] <FatPhil> I think the policy should just be "no new features unless there's an overwhelming need for them".
[14:34:19] <c0lo> Think about what niggers from space will post as <img>
[14:34:21] <janrinok> if you want to post images there are plenty of alternative sites that do just that, and many in our community use those sites too. I don't see why we should follow suit.
[14:34:26] <chromas> To be fair though, some people were also getting ptsd from tweets
[14:34:41] <janrinok> FatPhil, that sounds reasonable
[14:34:51] <Bytram> janrinok++ that, not just the size. I am incredibly visual. I open or scroll down a page and at some level an processing *everything* on that page nearly instantly and naturally gravitate to focus on in-line images.
[14:34:51] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 70
[14:35:24] <Bytram> FatPhil++
[14:35:24] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 106
[14:35:27] <Bytram> janrinok++
[14:35:28] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 71
[14:36:46] <c0lo> span may be useful for styling, but marginally so.
[14:37:20] <Bytram> Without saying anything further about my life experiences, I think I've made my point? Yes, PTSD *is* a thing.
[14:37:41] <janrinok> if my memory serves me correctly - we have already had at least one person abuse an image link too. Once the story had been approved and appeared on the front page they changed the image that the link pointed to.
[14:38:21] <c0lo> And LaTex is a point too, bytram. When's this addition coming?
[14:38:28] <chromas> I wonder who that could have been
[14:38:35] <janrinok> The latter image was certainly not relevant and was not dissimilar to Subsentient's test earlier.
[14:39:00] <Bytram> janrinok: I remember that. Don't recall if they changed the link target or the link, itself, but I do recall seeing it appear on the main page.
[14:39:34] <c0lo> janrinok, on what site that happened?
[14:39:46] <janrinok> the link was already on the front page, they had control of the server providing that image IIRC and that is what they changed.
[14:39:48] <Bytram> c0lo: SoylentNews
[14:40:25] <c0lo> Cause you can't use img on S/N today, not even in journals.
[14:40:42] <c0lo> (need to be editor to do it0
[14:40:49] <chromas> You can use it in a story though, and it was an editor
[14:40:51] <janrinok> no, they provided a link - not an image.
[14:40:52] * chromas remembers all
[14:41:12] * Subsentient remembers the glory days
[14:41:42] <Bytram> =yt Sarah Leed remembers
[14:41:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Ahs Cult - Kai Anderson Death Scene (03:07; 709,845 views; 👍16,462 👎312)
[14:41:48] <Bytram> =yt Sarah Lee remembers
[14:41:48] <FatPhil> you remember all the glory holes
[14:41:48] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Teen Who Pushed Friend off Bridge Apologizes (01:31; 15,948,718 views; 👍209,087 👎5,480)
[14:41:50] <Subsentient> I'd often come on IRC and pester you guys from an eMac G4 running Debian on one side, and a Pentium 3 on another, while eating chocolate eyeballs I got at the discount store.
[14:41:55] <janrinok> chromas, I was _trying_ to be subtle
[14:41:58] * c0lo is glad he doesn't remember
[14:42:03] <chromas> Bytram: it's pepperidge farm
[14:42:13] <Bytram> lol
[14:42:23] <chromas> janrinok: sorry, can't help it; I'm a merican
[14:42:36] <Bytram> you eat what you like and I'll eat what I like, even if I don't remember right!
[14:42:49] * chromas blazes in, spinning dual pistols and yelling "yippie kie ay!"
[14:42:50] <Bytram> ;^)
[14:43:04] <Bytram> =yt Blazing Saddles
[14:43:05] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Classic Movie Moments BLAZING SADDLES (04:14; 533,175 views; 👍4,838 👎148)
[14:43:18] <Subsentient> =yt Gay niggers from outer space
[14:43:19] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Gayniggers from Outer Space (1992) (27:21; 1,322,680 views; 👍26,135 👎1,095)
[14:43:42] <chromas> the glowies are watching you, Subsentient
[14:43:46] <Subsentient> It's actually a good movie, come to think of it. I enjoyed it.
[14:43:53] <Subsentient> STICK YOUR HAND IN THE HOLY ASSHOLE!
[14:44:39] <chromas> Today's edginess brought to you by Pepperidge Farm, the GNAA and the letter N
[14:45:20] <Subsentient> chromas: Edgelordianism is a legitimate religion
[14:46:38] <chromas> fake and gay
[14:46:59] <Bytram> .
[14:47:00] <Bytram> Okay, as mentioned before, this is the primary landing page for soylentnews on IRC. You are welcome to enter our "living room" but do not shit on the rug.
[14:47:01] <Bytram> .
[14:47:22] <Bytram> keep it clean. boys.
[14:47:24] <Subsentient> chromas: Pretty edgy to insult a major world religion like that
[14:47:25] * chromas remembers the glory days of EF nudes
[14:47:42] <Subsentient> I miss EF's stories.
[14:47:52] <Subsentient> I loved those stories in his journal so much
[14:47:56] <Subsentient> And one day he deleted them all
[14:48:18] <chromas> I don't consider a religion to be major until it's been used to colonize
[14:48:49] <Subsentient> Sadly EF kinda got sucked into the hyper-conservatism thing now. He used to be more ironic in his racism, at least ostensibly, now he's just plain racist.
[14:49:02] <chromas> prove it
[14:50:22] <Subsentient> Just read his posts then and now, idk
[14:50:28] <Subsentient> He changed for the worse :^(
[14:50:37] <chromas> seems fine to me
[14:50:52] <chromas> lack of stories aside
[14:51:10] <chromas> he does live in san diego though. the retardation probably got to him
[14:51:18] <Subsentient> Well I hope you're right. I still have a soft spot for EF, he was the funniest fucker in all of SN history as far as I'm concerned.
[14:51:44] * chromas passes a reference to ef's mattress to Subsentient
[14:52:12] * Subsentient dereferences it and segfaults. It pointed to deallocated data
[14:53:17] <Subsentient> chromas: Seriously though if you have any of his old stories and stuff, hand em over. ^^
[14:53:24] <chromas> I move that "segfault" should be removed from the lexicon since all modern cloud-enabled systems don't use segmentation. using irrelevant terminology is deadnaming and problematic
[14:53:53] <Subsentient> Lol
[14:54:01] <chromas> I don't, but anything he posted here would be in the Loggie logs. You could use that to generate an EF bot
[14:54:22] <Subsentient> Sadly all the good stuff was all journals
[14:54:59] <chromas> I wonder if delete journal entries are deleted from the db or just marked "deleted"
[14:55:13] <chromas> though if they're still there, it'd be poor form to dig them out
[14:55:33] <Subsentient> Think they're deleted for real
[15:02:50] <Teckla> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com
[15:03:03] <Teckla> (sfw)
[15:07:00] <chromas> they're in for a ruff life
[15:24:44] <Subsentient> Wonder who gets the reference
[15:24:45] <Subsentient> https://i.imgur.com
[15:25:35] <chromas> classic
[15:26:13] <Subsentient> Somebody lost their yam. (nsfw) https://i.imgur.com
[15:42:24] <c0lo> subsentient, you have the duty to make people happy first, weird after. There's some dereliction in recent times.
[15:42:55] <Subsentient> c0lo: How so?
[15:43:29] <c0lo> better get to work and stop purging your frustrations on innocent people.
[15:43:39] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.channelnewsasia.com
[15:43:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Backlash Grows as Facebook Imposes Australia News Blackout" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:43:50] * c0lo sees subsentient short emory failing
[15:44:16] <Subsentient> c0lo: What
[15:44:59] <c0lo> Remember this? "<Subsentient> c0lo: I want people to be happy. I want people to be weird. And I want people to be happy being weird."
[15:45:21] <c0lo> Only some hours, not even a day.
[15:45:33] <Subsentient> c0lo: Yes. My question is what have I done to anyone? Annoy them at worst?
[15:46:41] <c0lo> You certanly not made me happy with that weird nsfw link.
[15:47:03] <Subsentient> c0lo: Yes, but it was marked as NSFW.
[15:47:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Anniversary for Great Justice: Remembering “All Your Base” 20 Years Later - https://sylnt.us - what-you-say!
[15:47:19] <Runaway1956> Funny, or not? I see lots of racist comments in this one.
[15:47:22] <Runaway1956> https://www.bbc.com
[15:47:24] <systemd> ^ 03DR Congo's mysterious metal monolith destroyed by mob
[15:48:32] <Subsentient> c0lo: If you see a NSFW posted in Soylent IRC, it should kinda be obvious that it might be a risk
[15:48:57] <Subsentient> By clicking it, you are accepting that risk, because you were warned, because the link is NSFW.
[15:49:55] <Subsentient> And, I posted it because I found it funny, in the hopes some other twisted fuckers in here would as well.
[15:51:23] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: That's just sad, really, but I see why it could be funny.
[15:51:47] <c0lo> subsentient, are you aware of #shitlods?
[15:52:11] <Subsentient> Ahh, fair enough
[15:52:39] <c0lo> =w Rotten.com
[15:52:40] <systemd> Rotten.com was a shock site active from 1996 to 2012. The website, which had the tagline &quot;An archive of disturbing illustration&quot;, was devoted to morbid - https://en.wikipedia.org
[15:52:59] <Subsentient> Ahh I miss rotten.com
[15:53:12] <c0lo> figured
[15:55:20] <Bytram> Quick thought before I gotta rush out the door... what if someone posts an <img ...> link to (1) something illegal, or (2) something benign at the time of posting, but they control the destination and later change the target so it avoids immediate scrutiny? I could see people being entrapped if their system's image cache were later searched.
[15:56:32] <c0lo> Runaway, I wish some minor care would be nice to pay before submitting https://soylentnews.org
[15:56:34] <systemd> ^ 03Facebook to Block Users from Sharing News in Australia - SoylentNews
[15:56:39] <Bytram> Images in *stories* are restricted to editors who are held to higher standards, and any impropriety is dealt with swiftly and firmly.
[15:57:20] <Bytram> woould love to stay and chat, but I *really* gtg! Back in a few hours.
[15:57:25] * c0lo sees bytram unsecure
[15:57:29] <Subsentient> good luck
[15:57:48] <Bytram> Mare see!
[16:08:34] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.wired.com
[16:08:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Grim Consequences of a Misleading Study on Disinformation" (23p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:20:23] <c0lo> Heh, one of those grim consequences is that the author of that opinion piece will not get a slice of the pork
[16:20:29] <c0lo> "For the OII’s Computational Propaganda project, which conducts the annual survey, the institute itself has secured generous funds—$218,825 from the National Science Foundation, a $2.2 million European Commission/European Research Council Award, and $500,000 from the Ford Foundation."
[16:21:17] <c0lo> all the while he's doing spreadsheets and getting nothing for it
[16:21:37] <c0lo> "My preliminary company spreadsheet for what I call the “influence industry” currently has 600 firms, and I’ve barely begun."
[16:26:27] <Subsentient> We're going to be dealing with the total collapse of trust and truth soon. Deepfakes are getting better, propaganda is getting more widespread. The truth is buried deeper than it has ever been.
[16:28:03] <Subsentient> If the pandemic has shown anything, it's that any optimism about humanity being able to conquer adversity is sorely misplaced.
[16:29:28] <c0lo> This makes life intersting enough, tho'. As long as it lasts, I mean
[16:53:01] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.vice.com
[16:53:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Uber Shuts Down App That Told Drivers If Uber Underpaid Them" (10p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:57:33] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[16:57:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Verge" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:07:36] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[17:07:38] <systemd> ^ 03Watch NASA’s Perseverance Rover Land on Mars!
[17:07:53] <Teckla> Runaway1956: Are you retired?
[17:08:03] <Runaway1956> not really Teckla
[17:08:12] <Teckla> Ah, just wondering, you seem pretty active here.
[17:08:15] * Teckla can't wait to be retired.
[17:08:40] * Runaway1956 could wait another 20 years - retirement doesn't look all that interesting
[17:09:03] <Runaway1956> Most Arkansans pronounce it as "retard"
[17:10:23] <Runaway1956> *sigh* "no evidence that schools spread covid"
[17:11:13] <Runaway1956> If there is a disease, and children are crowded into schoolrooms, those kids WILL spread that disease from home to school, and from school to home, and every other place kids might be found
[17:28:55] <Runaway1956> another idiotic story about schools -
[17:29:00] <Runaway1956> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[17:29:01] <systemd> ^ 03MORE COVID INSANITY: Virginia Pays Monitors to Sit in Classrooms While Teachers Teach from Home
[18:13:31] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[18:13:32] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://twitter.com )
[18:14:27] <Subsentient> Runaway1956, I thought conservatives didn't believe the virus exists :^P
[18:15:26] <pinchy> just say NO to common sense
[18:16:19] <Subsentient> Nurgle commands you to lick all doorknobs
[18:16:44] <Runaway1956> Where did that come from subsentient?
[18:17:19] <Runaway1956> retarded children lick doorknobs and toilet seats
[18:17:32] <Runaway1956> conservatives believe in herd immunity I think
[18:17:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Plastic Recycling Results in Rare Metals Being Found in Children's Toys and Food Packaging - https://sylnt.us
[18:18:10] <Runaway1956> If you don't stand in front of the herd, you probably won''t get trampled
[18:18:33] <Subsentient> I generally believe nature can be improved upon. ^^
[18:19:04] <Runaway1956> That's why we have this global warming thing, isn't it?
[18:19:09] <pinchy> goyim immunity
[18:20:31] <Subsentient> Yeah we should have been using nuclear power for most things decades ago. Instead, coal.
[18:20:37] <Runaway1956> https://gizmodo.com
[18:20:38] <systemd> ^ 03Scientists Want to Know Why This Adorable Rodent Can Glow in the Dark
[18:20:50] <Runaway1956> #blackcoalmatters
[18:20:55] <Subsentient> lol
[18:23:03] <Subsentient> Runaway1956, it glows because those are CIA spy mice, obviously
[18:24:22] <Runaway1956> Libyans suck at snowmen
[18:24:25] <Runaway1956> https://earther.gizmodo.com
[18:24:26] <systemd> ^ 03The Middle East Is Blanketed in Rare Snowfall
[18:27:01] <Runaway1956> Would you care to be rickrolled in 4K?
[18:27:16] <Runaway1956> I'm skipping the link . . .
[18:28:01] <Subsentient> Runaway1956, gimme
[18:28:09] <c0lo> Runaway1956++ for the cancun snippet
[18:28:09] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 29
[18:28:40] <Runaway1956> https://gizmodo.com
[18:28:41] <systemd> ^ 03‘Never Gonna Give You Up’ in 4K Is an Eye-Melting Way to Rickroll Someone
[18:29:03] <Subsentient> Runaway1956, thanks
[18:29:04] <Runaway1956> Don't be evil Subsentient
[18:29:22] <Subsentient> What? :^P
[18:30:26] <Subsentient> Next we need an 8K version
[18:30:42] <Runaway1956> Why not 64k?
[18:31:34] <Subsentient> Lol, too pixelly
[18:35:14] <Runaway1956> An exercise in depravity?
[18:35:17] <Runaway1956> https://www.foxnews.com
[18:35:18] <systemd> ^ 03Ohio bar cancels 'going to prison' party for woman convicted in gruesome crash
[18:43:41] <Runaway1956> Bob Dole has lung cancer - NYT headline makes sound almost like he's promoting cancer in congress
[18:43:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.nytimes.com
[18:43:52] <systemd> ^ 03Bob Dole Has Advanced Lung Cancer, He Says in Statement
[18:48:40] -!- fliptop [fliptop!~fliptop@eukm.igolinux.com] has parted #soylent
[19:09:24] <Runaway1956> six minutes until something happens
[19:09:28] <Runaway1956> https://www.nytimes.com
[19:09:29] <systemd> ^ 03Bob Dole, Republicans’ 1996 presidential nominee, has advanced lung cancer.
[19:09:48] <Runaway1956> now, how did I get THAT URL in there?
[19:09:53] <Bytram> https://mars.nasa.gov
[19:09:54] <systemd> ^ 03Watch Online: Mars Landing
[19:10:09] <Bytram> https://youtu.be
[19:10:11] <Runaway1956> five minutes until something happens now
[19:10:11] <systemd> ^ 03Watch NASA’s Perseverance Rover Land on Mars! ( https://www.youtube.com )
[19:10:16] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[19:10:17] <systemd> ^ 03Watch NASA’s Perseverance Rover Land on Mars!
[19:11:01] <Bytram> Runaway1956: that's what *I* said! =)
[19:11:12] <Runaway1956> lol
[19:12:27] <Bytram> 600 K watching
[19:12:51] <Runaway1956> Do we conquer Mars today, or do we go down in flames?
[19:13:01] <Bytram> 2 minutes to go
[19:13:11] <Bytram> Yes!
[19:13:20] <Runaway1956> I still think they should land closer to the Mars City.
[19:13:54] <Bytram> Wouldn't they have to build that, first?
[19:14:01] <Bytram> 1 min
[19:14:19] <Runaway1956> I thought the Martians built it 20 million years ago.
[19:15:01] <Bytram> Jeff Wayne's musical version of the war of the worlds
[19:15:08] <Bytram> =yt Jeff Wayne's musical version of the war of the worlds
[19:15:08] -!- Teckla has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
[19:15:09] <systemd> https://youtube.com - War Of The Worlds The Musical (01:23:46; 16,002 views; 👍274 👎3)
[19:15:45] <Runaway1956> The still image has no sound . . .
[19:16:06] <Bytram> I have audio & video
[19:16:19] <Runaway1956> Maybe I need to fast forward to get the audio
[19:16:39] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[19:16:41] <systemd> ^ 03Watch NASA’s Perseverance Rover Land on Mars!
[19:17:07] <Bytram> Yep, same link
[19:17:35] <Runaway1956> opened in SMPlayer - stuff is happening now
[19:18:21] <Bytram> =g deep space network
[19:18:22] <systemd> https://www.nasa.gov - About the Deep Space Network | NASA
[19:19:57] <Runaway1956> Brown-eyed brunette day at NASA
[19:21:31] <Bytram> =g deep space network live
[19:21:32] <systemd> https://eyes.nasa.gov - DSN Now
[19:25:42] <Bytram> All comms with perseverance mission is via DSN 63 in Madrid
[19:26:24] <Runaway1956> Perseverance speaks Espanol?
[19:26:37] <Bytram> Oui!
[19:26:46] <Bytram> Ja wohl!
[19:26:57] * Runaway1956 needs to check if there is coffee made
[19:28:30] <Runaway1956> My sons made it into town - but almost everything is still closed
[19:28:58] <Runaway1956> If they don't bring dog food home, I'll feed the sons to the dogs
[19:29:32] <Bytram> brb -- food!
[19:29:41] <Runaway1956> dog food?
[19:31:50] <c0lo> not dog, the brb one
[19:39:00] <Bytram> https://eyes.nasa.gov
[19:39:00] <systemd> ^ 03ERROR: The request could not be satisfied
[19:40:16] <Runaway1956> same thing I got Bytram - too much traffic I think
[19:40:20] <gozar> It looks like someone didn't warn Amazon...
[19:40:34] <pinchy> another chile desert film
[19:41:20] <Bytram> gozar: I think that would be cloudfront
[19:41:29] <gozar> Isn't that an Amazon service?
[19:41:50] <gozar> Amazon Cloudfront.
[19:42:02] <gozar> Back up!
[19:47:25] <Fnord666> Howdy!
[19:47:33] <Bytram> dewdy!
[19:47:41] <Fnord666> Batman!
[19:47:44] <Bytram> dude-ey?
[19:47:55] <Fnord666> duty?
[19:48:04] <Bytram> Batgirl?
[19:48:18] <Fnord666> batboy?
[19:48:28] <Fnord666> no wait that was Robin
[19:48:31] <Fnord666> my bad
[19:48:46] <Bytram> =yt baseball has been very very good to me
[19:48:47] <systemd> https://youtube.com - S1 29 SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE SCREEN TEST GARRETT MORRIS (07:04; 24,216 views; 👍129 👎11)
[19:49:01] <Runaway1956> Oh-kay - the photogenic girls with the big smiles - I think I'd be happier without them
[19:49:09] <Fnord666> 800K people watching!
[19:50:02] <Fnord666> @Bytram I refuse to acknowledge that I remember that screen test.....
[19:50:46] <Bytram> what screen test?
[19:51:33] <Bytram> ;^)
[19:52:20] <Fnord666> Exactally
[19:56:40] -!- Teckla [Teckla!sid172075@fe-405803.highgate.irccloud.com] has joined #soylent
[19:56:53] <Bytram> Teckla: welcome
[19:58:52] * Bytram is confused. What time is the lander due to actually land? I thought they should have telemetry by now that would tell us how it went!
[20:00:21] <Runaway1956> I'm beginning to suspect that Godzilla already ate the lander, and NASA is just figuring out how to tell us
[20:00:39] <Bytram> 900+ K watching
[20:01:04] <gozar> Touchdown in 54:00
[20:01:05] <Runaway1956> No Japanese iconic monsters were harmed in the production of this video
[20:05:24] <Runaway1956> It seems official - Perseverance is female.
[20:10:25] <Bytram> I can imagine that TMB would have no trouble with that!
[20:10:36] <Bytram> 8008135++
[20:10:36] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 153
[20:11:19] <Runaway1956> No catfish on Mars though.
[20:11:50] <Bytram> Runaway1956: How do YOU *know*?
[20:12:08] <Runaway1956> The lake is dry! We got pics.
[20:15:33] * Runaway1956 yawns
[20:15:33] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Runaway1956's gaping mouth
[20:15:51] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[20:15:52] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Feb. 18, 2021 Perseverance Rover Lands on Mars .log (00; 102 views; 👍5 👎0)
[20:16:31] <Bytram> ^^^ Clean feed of mission control on YouTube
[20:16:31] <Bytram> NASA JPL Raw
[20:26:49] <Teckla> Does anyone have a link to Perseverance actually landing? Or is it all just talking heads?
[20:28:18] <Bytram> Teckla: Try this: https://www.youtube.com
[20:28:21] <systemd> ^ 03Mission Control Live: NASA Lands Perseverance Mars Rover (clean feed)
[20:29:01] <Bytram> ^^^ Clean feed of mission control on YouTube
[20:35:09] <Bytram> Teckla: did that help?
[20:36:01] * Bytram is watching both feeds at once ( https://www.youtube.com ) AND ( https://www.youtube.com )
[20:38:15] <Bytram> clean feed seems to be several seconds ahead
[20:39:50] <Bytram> cruise stage separation
[20:42:59] <Bytram> 6:45 from entry interference
[20:43:06] <Bytram> 6:45 from entry interface
[20:43:15] <Bytram> just over 6
[20:45:13] <Bytram> conti‌nuing to get hearbeat tones
[20:45:17] <Bytram> nominal
[20:45:59] <Bytram> maybe even a 30s delay between feeds
[20:46:15] <Runaway1956> =yt heartbeat of america
[20:46:16] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Heartbeat of America (06:40; 214,070 views; 👍2,196 👎57)
[20:46:17] <Bytram> conti‌nuing to get hearbeat tones
[20:46:27] <Bytram> evreything nominal
[20:47:48] <Bytram> conti‌nuing to get heartbeat tones which means everything nominal
[20:48:03] <Bytram> 9s to entry interface
[20:48:07] <Bytram> 90s to entry interface
[20:48:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SDK Bug Lets Attackers Spy on User’s Video Calls Across Dating, Healthcare Apps - https://sylnt.us - watching-the-watchers
[20:48:33] <Bytram> 1m to entry interface
[20:49:05] <Bytram> 30s to entry interface
[20:49:31] <Bytram> alt 150 km
[20:49:51] <Bytram> we have entry interface
[20:49:59] <Bytram> alt 120 km
[20:50:16] <Bytram> *altitude 120 km
[20:50:24] <Bytram> entry to the atmosphere
[20:50:45] <Bytram> *altitude 67 km
[20:51:26] <Bytram> max deceeration
[20:51:30] <Bytram> 10 Gs
[20:52:17] <Bytram> 1km/s
[20:52:31] <halibut> Speed down to 1000 miles per hour.
[20:52:38] <Bytram> headng alignment
[20:53:19] <Bytram> alt 15 km
[20:53:26] <Runaway1956> Wish there was a news team there to cover it . . .
[20:53:49] <Bytram> parachute deployed
[20:54:07] <halibut> You mean at mission control, or the landing site?
[20:54:09] <Bytram> heatshiel sep
[20:54:18] <Bytram> Runaway1956: https://www.youtube.com
[20:54:19] <systemd> ^ 03Mission Control Live: NASA Lands Perseverance Mars Rover (clean feed)
[20:54:23] <halibut> I understand the commute to the latter is lengthy.
[20:54:28] <Bytram> alt 9.5 km
[20:54:46] <Bytram> 3.3m/sec
[20:55:27] <Bytram> valid landing solution
[20:55:37] <Bytram> landing eengnes
[20:55:50] <Bytram> alt 2.6 km
[20:55:56] <Bytram> alt 1 km
[20:56:11] <Bytram> alt 300 m
[20:56:14] <halibut> I see cheering!
[20:56:31] <halibut> Lots of exuberance in mission control!
[20:56:41] <Bytram> ditto
[20:56:44] <Runaway1956> 20 meters
[20:57:11] <Bytram> landing confrled
[20:57:17] <Bytram> *confirmed
[20:57:17] <Runaway1956> coolio
[20:57:58] <Bytram> still getting telemetry from lander
[20:58:09] <Bytram> waiting for images
[20:58:19] <Runaway1956> lander is cool - I want to hear news from rover
[20:59:31] <Bytram> pictrue fro, surface
[20:59:35] <Runaway1956> first image
[20:59:58] <chromas> I see Windows 7
[21:00:21] <chromas> or Macossex I guess
[21:00:26] <halibut> Does this mean Earth is now one point ahead of Mars in the Interplanetary Expensive Hardware Lob?
[21:01:28] <chromas> Depends on what hardware Mars sent our way
[21:02:17] <Runaway1956> second image is in - but I don't see it yet
[21:03:19] <chromas> "Dare Mighty Things"....DMT...it was Joe Rogan all along!
[21:04:14] <Runaway1956> cue the next conspiracy theory: "The Mars landing was faked in Western Australia!"
[21:05:12] <chromas> Since we can't see anything, there's no need for that
[21:05:36] <chromas> It's a simulation, it's all a simulation! —Wargames
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[21:06:42] <Fnord666> There's supposed to be an Earth shattering Kaboom!
[21:08:44] <Bytram> =yt Earth shattering Kaboom!
[21:08:44] <Fnord666> - Marvin the Martian
[21:08:44] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Wher's the Kaboom? 2012 (01:06; 76,844 views; 👍473 👎13)
[21:09:19] <Bytram> =yt Marvin Earth shattering Kaboom!
[21:09:19] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Wher's the Kaboom? 2012 (01:06; 76,844 views; 👍473 👎13)
[21:09:35] <Bytram> =yt Marvin Earth shattering Kaboom!-3fcaXmpZydI
[21:09:36] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Wher's the Kaboom? 2012 (01:06; 76,844 views; 👍473 👎13)
[21:09:54] <Bytram> =yt Marvin Earth shattering Kaboom!-3fcaXmpZydI -wher's
[21:09:55] <systemd> No results
[21:09:58] <Bytram> lol
[21:13:12] <Fnord666> https://youtu.be
[21:13:15] <systemd> ^ 03Wher's the Kaboom? 2012 ( https://www.youtube.com )
[21:16:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Perseverance Mars Rover Landing SUCCESS! Pic Received from Surface - https://sylnt.us - Where's-Marvin?
[21:18:42] <Runaway1956> Some *thing* hasn't been confirmed, but I can't tell where that sound feed is coming from
[21:19:11] <Runaway1956> Hard to make sense of it, some kind of alarm during descent, that has since been cleared
[21:22:24] <Runaway1956> something something health monitor has been restored
[21:25:31] -!- Teckla [Teckla!sid172075@fe-405803.highgate.irccloud.com] has joined #soylent
[21:28:03] <Runaway1956> I think the feeds have been cut
[21:28:12] <Runaway1956> either that, or my internet has choked
[21:28:46] <Bytram> same here
[21:32:56] * Bytram closes Mars browser windows/tabs
[21:36:50] * TheMightyBuzzard doesn't have the Mars browser installed
[21:38:03] <chromas> Do you have Google Ultron tho?
[21:39:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, Ultron is a Marvel->Disney property.
[21:39:41] <chromas> it's the browser nasa uses
[21:40:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i figured they'd use palemoon
[21:43:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm too tired to go sifting through code to fix journals being the same for staff and non-staff. i need me some nap, some dinner, a few cigarettes, maybe a glass of whiskey, and a good night's sleep
[21:43:43] <chromas> we just need to switch over to a software with more than one maintainer
[21:44:09] <chromas> how's about phpoobb?
[21:45:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, get busy maintaining then =P
[21:46:10] <chromas> perl gives me gas
[21:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, don't bother. i'm probably going to ditch apache and the apache-specific perl bits and just run straight perl, so this code base ain't long for the world.
[21:51:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, yall have a good afternoon/evening. oh and make sure to unban azuma here in about 4.5h if i sleep through till morning. TMB out.
[21:55:10] <Bytram> =yawn
[21:55:19] * Bytram yawns
[21:55:19] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[21:56:46] <Teckla> Bytram: Well, so far, I haven't found any actual video of the landing. :( Video from the lander itself as it approaches Mars would be cool, and/or video from the crane dropping the lander, etc.
[21:57:23] <Runaway1956> sudo apt-get install Mars-browser
[21:58:09] <Teckla> Even video or still pictures from the lander itself, looking at the surroundings where it landed, would be neat.
[21:58:10] <chromas> You'd think they could strap-on a heat-resistant camera in the current year
[21:58:41] <Teckla> That stuff might be available to see, but I'm having trouble finding it, as it's buried in hours and hours of people just babbling, and artists' renditions of this and that, etc.
[21:58:44] <Bytram> tekyeah. It'll be at least a couple hours after landing until a satellite will be in position to receive upload from the lander and then be able to send it on to earth.
[21:59:04] <Bytram> Teckla: yeah. It'll be at least a couple hours after landing until a satellite will be in position to receive upload from the lander and then be able to send it on to earth.
[21:59:29] <Teckla> Ah, okay. I must exercise patience. :)
[21:59:35] <Bytram> hey
[21:59:36] <Bytram> https://www.nasa.gov
[21:59:36] <systemd> ^ 03Touchdown! NASA's Mars Perseverance Rover Safely Lands on Red Planet ( https://www.nasa.gov )
[22:00:09] <Bytram> there's a bit of the pic from the surface in that photo!
[22:00:52] <Runaway1956> Space.com in Kodi has nothing, don't guess they carried a live feed either
[22:02:23] <Teckla> Thanks Bytram :)
[22:02:44] <Bytram> Hope to have a story out on it in a few mnutes
[22:05:17] <Teckla> https://mars.nasa.gov
[22:05:18] <systemd> ^ 03Image Gallery: Perseverance Rover
[22:07:13] <chromas> suspiciously computer-generated
[22:07:31] <chromas> I want my money back
[22:08:01] <Runaway1956> Inside of Kodi, I looked at space.com "most recent" where they have "see Perseverance's first image"
[22:08:23] <Runaway1956> I saw that image of Percy's shadow, and an image of the rockscape nearby
[22:08:29] <Runaway1956> so that's two images
[22:22:01] <pinchy> the national freemason administration
[22:25:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Touchdown! NASA's Mars Perseverance Rover Safely Lands on Red Planet - https://sylnt.us
[22:35:14] <Runaway1956> https://www.reddit.com
[22:35:19] <systemd> ^ 03r/lgbt - Just thought I'd post this
[22:59:40] <Bytram> .unkickban AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time
[22:59:46] <Bytram> .op
[22:59:46] -!- mode/#soylent [+o Bytram] by Aphrodite
[22:59:48] <Bytram> .unkickban AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time
[23:00:00] <chromas> .op doesn't affect it :)
[23:01:02] <Bytram> .unkickban AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time
[23:01:07] <Bytram> .unban AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time
[23:02:38] <Bytram> .unban *!*@the.end.of.time
[23:02:38] -!- mode/#soylent [-b *!*@the.end.of.time] by Aphrodite
[23:05:54] <Bytram> .unban -u1800!*@*
[23:05:54] -!- mode/#soylent [-b -u1800!*@*] by Aphrodite
[23:06:14] * Bytram cannot really remember why he put the ban in in the firstplace
[23:06:27] <chromas> probably some shitpost bot
[23:07:09] <Bytram> It's been nearly 3 months now. Let's see if the need presents itself again.
[23:07:12] <Bytram> nod nod
[23:08:54] <Bytram> just for random: https://www.youtube.com
[23:08:56] <systemd> ^ 03250,000 Dominoes - The Incredible Science Machine: GAME ON!
[23:09:03] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[23:09:04] <systemd> https://youtube.com - 250,000 Dominoes - The Incredible Science Machine: GAME ON! (14:46; 89,255,903 views; 👍686,012 👎43,048)
[23:10:08] <Bytram> laters
[23:10:08] <chromas> you'd be nodding less if you took that nap
[23:10:17] <Bytram> on my way