#soylent | Logs for 2021-02-17

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[00:37:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pine64 Unveils Quartz64 (Model A) Single Board Computer - https://sylnt.us - trying-for-a-slice-of-the-pi
[00:46:42] <AzumaHazuki> that looks really underpowered...what is that, 4x A53?
[00:48:56] <requerdanos> inexpensive so often equals underpowered.
[00:50:12] <Teckla> To be honest, the real problem is the gross inefficiency of modern software...
[00:51:09] <requerdanos> Cheap ARM chips being slow is a pretty real problem as well, I'd say.
[00:52:06] <Teckla> A Raspberry Pi 400 is way more than enough computer for, say, 95%+ of home users... IF modern software weren't such inefficient crap.
[01:03:09] <AzumaHazuki> huh, looks like the Peoples' Republic of Texassistan is finding out the hard way why "deregulate everything lolz" is a bad idea
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[01:14:19] <chromas> nonsense, Teckla! Everything should be an Electron App. Even init
[01:16:20] <AzumaHazuki> that physically hurt me to read, chromas
[01:20:37] <chromas> Just imagine...trim down the kernel to just enough you can run Google Chrome on top, and everything—even the drivers—can be nice little scriptlets pulled off the internet so you always have the latest updates at all times.
[01:20:51] <Teckla> chromas: haha :)
[01:24:04] <requerdanos> Well, technically, your kernel is already small enough to run Chrome
[01:24:31] <chromas> Sorry, I meant so it's only able to run chrome
[01:25:02] <chromas> so you can put the rest of the functionality into downloadable javascript applets
[01:26:45] * chromas loads up https://drivers.google.com
[01:27:12] * Teckla dies inside
[01:28:24] * chromas replaces Teckla's soul with Google Plus for Business
[01:34:26] <AzumaHazuki> https://i.redd.it these are a thing. Lisa just linked me these. Why would someone make these?
[01:35:28] <AzumaHazuki> "if you toss the shoe around, is it croc n ball torture" she says. Oysh. See we have to get married because we're the only ones who can stand each other lol
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[02:27:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Happy Anniversary SoylentNews — Seven Whole Years Since Go-Live! - https://sylnt.us
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[02:59:43] <Bytram> Umm, the main page seems borked. Anybody else seeing that?
[03:00:07] <Bytram> =blame
[03:00:07] * systemd points at Bytram
[03:00:33] <Bytram> when I click he Continues... link on the latest story, the rest of the home page appears
[03:37:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, that's cause someone fucked up the html in the story. forgot to close a tag or added an extra one or something
[03:38:03] <Bytram> I gave it a quick once over, and everything looked to match up...
[03:38:44] <Bytram> then moved "sections" of text around, esp the table up init the Intro Copy, things seemed to be fine.
[03:38:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> except the </table> tag that was in there as <table>, yeah. fixed.
[03:39:17] <Bytram> ugh
[03:39:21] <Bytram> lemme do it
[03:39:25] <Bytram> =blame
[03:39:25] * systemd points at Bytram
[03:39:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> already done
[03:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free to overwrite with another fix that has other changed stuff though
[03:40:55] <Bytram> of course, all that parsing and reformatting to display the rendered text to the editors... I thought that would have caught it. And if not that, then there's balance_tags, right?
[03:42:00] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[03:42:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> never expect that it's easier to teach a computer to catch everything than to catch everything yourself. it only adds more complexity instead of decreasing it.
[03:43:00] <Bytram> "It
[03:43:36] <Bytram> "It's impossible to make things foolproof because fools are so ingenious!"
[03:43:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> downright geniuses, they are
[03:44:21] <Bytram> =yt Wyle E Coyote
[03:44:22] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Looney Tuesdays | Iconic Duo: Wile E. Coyote & Road Runner | Looney Tunes | WB Kids (21:58; 6,981,993 views; 👍29,572 👎5,221)
[03:45:50] <Bytram> I must have put at least 8 hours into that story.
[03:47:11] * Bytram yawns
[03:47:11] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[03:47:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt wile e coyote great divide
[03:47:42] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- The Great Divide - Wile E. Coyote
[03:48:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you need a minion to do your typing for you
[03:48:48] <Bytram> And massage my arms and shoulders, too, please!
[03:49:41] <Bytram> break time
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[04:11:07] <Runaway1956> TheMightyBuzzard++ for journal entry
[04:11:07] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 419
[04:11:17] <Runaway1956> lotsa snowflakes triggered . . .
[04:16:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's in my own best interest. i own stock in the folks who make prep-h
[04:18:54] <Runaway1956> bedtime for me, if I can stay there
[04:19:10] <Runaway1956> I'm reading paragraphs, and forgetting how they started before I reach the end
[04:19:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> same
[04:19:37] <Runaway1956> one last trip around the house to make sure water is dripping . . .
[04:27:45] <Bytram> similar -- can't seem to concentrate on IRC and subs queue and story queue.
[04:27:59] <Bytram> have a good night everybody!
[05:46:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tiny Crystal Device Could Boost Gravitational Wave Detectors to Reveal the Birth Cries of Black Hole - https://sylnt.us - big-bang-gnab-gib
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[07:06:57] <FatPhil> Holy fucking jesus, the CDC are officially fucking retarded. They don't understand that 1+1+2+2 = 1+2+1+2. And are deliberately lowering the effectiveness of the vaccination roll-out because of that.
[07:17:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dr. Fauci Wins $1 Million Dan David Prize for 'Defending Science' - https://sylnt.us
[07:20:30] <c0lo> =submit https://academic.oup.com
[07:20:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Probing Within the Bondi Radius of the Ultramassive Black Hole in NGC 1600" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:44:08] <c0lo> https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com
[07:44:11] <systemd> ^ 03Ex Colorado City mayor catching heat for comments about citizens affected by cold
[07:52:41] <FatPhil> I loved the official advice, in the south at least, of "because its so cold, turn your heating down".
[07:57:52] <c0lo> https://www.theguardian.com
[07:57:53] <systemd> ^ 03US conservatives falsely blame renewables for Texas storm outages
[08:09:45] <c0lo> the fresh former mayor of Colorado City, TX https://pbs.twimg.com
[08:10:24] <c0lo> https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com
[08:10:27] <systemd> ^ 03Ex Colorado City mayor catching heat for comments about citizens affected by cold
[08:13:54] <c0lo> https://www.thedailybeast.com
[08:13:55] <systemd> ^ 03Texas Mayor Resigns After Telling Residents to ‘Get Up Off Your Ass’ During Deep Freeze, Power Outages
[08:14:50] <c0lo> How very Mighty Buzzardian of him
[09:37:36] <FatPhil> That would be 'go out and fish', no?
[09:47:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - iOS 14.5 Wants to Keep Your Internet Use Well Away From Google - https://sylnt.us
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[11:42:12] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.msn.com
[11:42:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Live Updates: Rate of New Coronavirus Cases Declining Around the World, WHO Says" (71p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:45:01] <Runaway1956> =submit https://newsakmi.com expect the little guys to be squeezed out
[11:45:06] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Australia News Media 'Large and Small' Discuss Google Deals - News AKMI" (31p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:48:16] <Runaway1956> =submit https://phys.org
[11:48:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists and Indigenous People Unite to Save Colombian Condor" (35p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[11:52:27] <Runaway1956> =submit https://phys.org
[11:52:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Plastic Recycling Results in Rare Metals Being Found in Children's Toys and Food Packaging" (17p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[12:09:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, yup. if you're gonna be cold anyway, might as well be fishing.
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[12:14:08] <Runaway1956> https://www.9news.com.au
[12:14:10] <systemd> ^ 03Black Hawk makes emergency landing in Sydney park
[12:15:27] <Runaway1956> on this date In 1909, Apache leader Geronimo died while under military confinement at Fort Sill, Okla.
[12:16:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Signs of Linear A: a Palæographical Database - https://sylnt.us - it's-all-Greek-or-not-Greek-to-me
[12:16:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and yet his name shall forever live on with those who jump from high places
[12:17:37] <Runaway1956> I don't know about that Buzz - cancel culture is eliminating the use of any reference to Native Americans
[12:17:54] <Runaway1956> "cultural appropriation" is a "bad thing"
[12:18:25] <Runaway1956> Black Hawk helicopters are on the chopping block because Black Hawk Indians
[12:20:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> people who do testosterone-fueled things that lead to saying geronimo don't tend to give a fuck about whiners
[12:21:11] <Runaway1956> In today's modern military, where sensitivity training takes priority over combat training?
[12:21:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't sweat the military, they're only a small fraction of the geronimo demographic
[12:22:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> and this shit's coming to a head pretty rapidly, so we don't have much longer to put up with it anyway.
[12:23:02] <Runaway1956> Texans are such candy-asses these days
[12:23:06] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[12:23:08] <systemd> ^ 03Texas Residents Share Stories of Withstanding Snow 'Armageddon'
[12:23:17] <FatPhil> your geronimo spirit is being neutered from within...
[12:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, wherever beer and testicles exist, geronimo shall remain
[12:23:57] <Runaway1956> it's the milk FatPhil - too much estrogen
[12:24:37] <FatPhil> however, say bye-bye testicles, they'll take them from you somehow, because of equality, or something
[12:24:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, well if they hadn't been morons and put so much of their power generation into renewables that are completely fucked by a bit of snow...
[12:25:15] <FatPhil> Got any photos from Sweden from 2014 to back up that argument?
[12:25:17] <Runaway1956> They could just man up, and dress for the weather
[12:25:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> they can have mine but they have to take them one lick at a time
[12:26:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, me? texas is currently having to push hydrocarbon power INTO the windmills to keep them from being destroyed by the snow.
[12:27:08] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[12:27:11] <systemd> ^ 03'Is She Really in Charge Now?': Netizens Puzzled as VP Harris Takes Foreign Calls on Behalf of Biden
[12:27:38] <Runaway1956> Joe can't be bothered with foreign leaders, it's his nap time
[12:27:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can respect that
[12:27:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[12:27:54] <Bender> karma - naps: 122
[12:28:14] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: fake news, and you fell for it because you like propagating fake news without checking - you really need to fix that trait.
[12:29:12] <FatPhil> On a typical day, it takes a turbine way less than an hour to generate enough electricity to completely offset any hydrocarbons used in defrosting it.
[12:29:24] <FatPhil> Sorry to shit on your fairystory with facts.
[12:30:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't stay defrosted when the weather doesn't change.
[12:30:57] <Runaway1956> The fact is, fatphil, Texas doesn't have the electricity right now
[12:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> granted, texas don't have a majority of its power being wind. it does have an assload of wind power all the same though. the fields of them are damned impressive
[12:31:23] <FatPhil> They were (a) ill-prepared, and (b) isolated. nothing to do with green energy or not.
[12:31:55] <Runaway1956> Too many Democrats, you mean.
[12:32:05] <FatPhil> No, too Texan
[12:32:10] <FatPhil> too independent.
[12:32:57] <FatPhil> Too arrogant too. Someone needs to take them up on the 'R' in their name.
[12:33:02] <Runaway1956> I don't think that word means what you think it means
[12:33:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it does. when you prepare for current conditions with frufru hippy ideas, you fuck yourself for later. basically all their solar and wind went from useful to useless during a huge demand spike.
[12:33:19] <Runaway1956> being independent means you don't NEED the electric grid
[12:33:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> redundancy. build it in now or regret it later.
[12:34:00] <Runaway1956> repetitive redundancy is better than mere redundancy
[12:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> notice that oklahoma north of them still mostly has power despite having lots of windmills
[12:34:20] <FatPhil> Being independent means when you go down as you can't get water flowing into your coal and gas plants to generate the electricity - there's nobody there to help you.
[12:35:00] * Runaway1956 thinks FatPhil is having problems with the English language today
[12:35:06] <FatPhil> How?
[12:35:29] <Runaway1956> Being independent means you already have the water you need to generate power,
[12:35:37] <FatPhil> FAlse
[12:35:39] <FatPhil> proof: texas
[12:35:41] <Runaway1956> does NOT mean you're relying on some third party to supply it
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[12:36:02] <FatPhil> You fukken stoopid or something?
[12:36:11] <FatPhil> Who's lost leccy?
[12:36:13] <FatPhil> Texas?
[12:36:18] <FatPhil> Who can help them?
[12:36:20] <Runaway1956> I'll go with "something"
[12:36:24] <FatPhil> Nobody
[12:36:28] <FatPhil> Why
[12:36:38] <FatPhil> ERCOT's independence.
[12:36:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll let you two yell at each other and go watch cat videos on the crapper
[12:36:47] <FatPhil> Why is that so hard for you to understand?
[12:37:01] <Runaway1956> *yawn*
[12:37:02] <AzumaHazuki> who's picking a fight with FatPhil this time?
[12:37:22] <Runaway1956> once again, independence means you DO NOT depend on others
[12:37:47] <FatPhil> OK, if you (Tx) were better prepared, then you wouldn't have needed the grid, but that's why the *very first thing I said* was "14:31 <+FatPhil> They were (a) ill-prepared, and (b) isolated. nothing to do with green energy or not."
[12:38:16] <FatPhil> YEs, and independence means your leccy's down
[12:38:26] <FatPhil> Ya fukken retard - why are you proud of that state?
[12:39:16] <Runaway1956> And, what was this then?
[12:39:20] <Runaway1956> [02/17/21 06:32:05] <+FatPhil> No, too Texan
[12:39:21] <Runaway1956> [02/17/21 06:32:10] <+FatPhil> too independent.
[12:39:42] <Runaway1956> I think it's too cold, making you cranky
[12:39:52] <Runaway1956> #weather East Stonia
[12:39:53] <MrPlow> Stônia, Av Francisco Prestes Maia, Nova Petrópolis, São Bernardo do Campo - SP, 09710-060, Brazil - Today: "Rain in the afternoon and evening." 81/67F, Humidity: 73%, Precip: 75%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Possible light rain in the afternoon and evening." 83/67F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 63%, Wind ~5mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 82/66F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 42%, Wind ~5mph.
[12:40:06] <Runaway1956> lol
[12:40:18] <AzumaHazuki> is it Runaway again? Jesus, he's gone full-on cucknuts insane
[12:41:04] * Runaway1956 draws Bytram attention to the arrival of AzumaHazuki and the onset of shithole insults
[12:41:28] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: That was a minute later than the line I quoted.
[12:41:58] <Runaway1956> Just have some hot cocoa and stop being cranky. ;^)
[12:41:58] <AzumaHazuki> ...figures. motherfucker's going to fight with (and lose to) everyone before this is all over :/
[12:42:06] <FatPhil> methinks I know what "first" means, and you're the one having trouble with the English language today.
[12:42:32] <Runaway1956> The word under discussion was "independent"
[12:42:55] <inz> Yes, independent means you're fucked if you can't help yourself
[12:43:10] <Runaway1956> Yes, that, exactly
[12:43:12] <inz> Which is the point the ol' fatso is trying to make
[12:43:37] <inz> If you had half a brain to read his messages.
[12:43:38] <FatPhil> when talking about electricity generation and supply, "isolated" and "independent" are synonyms - you can't be one without the other.
[12:44:22] <AzumaHazuki> fun bit of trivia: "generating independent power/electricity" is Japanese slang for masturbation =P
[12:44:32] <FatPhil> all the other contiguous states share one interlinked network, one state just *has
[12:44:35] <FatPhil> * to be different
[12:44:44] <Runaway1956> Texas should have the capacity to generate all it's required electricity, in all weather conditions, in which case, they would be "independent"
[12:45:14] <FatPhil> don't worry - it doesn't need to be all socialist and sharing and crap like that - you can trade the energy for real $$$
[12:45:25] <FatPhil> That's how the EU does it - even .ru's on their grid.
[12:45:45] <Runaway1956> commies
[12:47:20] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: I like "winding one's watch". A generator of much smaller proportions.
[12:48:08] <AzumaHazuki> lol
[12:48:40] * AzumaHazuki wonders if runaway's going to die of a stroke online like some unfortunate youtuber
[12:51:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, here, lemme splain to you the actual problem since you're very far away and have no idea what you're talking about
[12:51:53] <AzumaHazuki> oh this should be hilarious
[12:51:54] <Runaway1956> Q: What's a light-year? A: One-third less calories than a regular year.
[12:52:02] * AzumaHazuki pops popcorn over Uzzard's flaming liarpants
[12:52:16] <Runaway1956> TMB, Azuma seems to need a .quiet
[12:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> the folks who pushed renewables in texas were pie-in-the-sky optimists who cared more about feeling green than making sure everyone had power. if they'd been proper pessimists, they'd have renewables and power both.
[12:53:05] <Runaway1956> Yes, that, exactly
[12:53:45] <Runaway1956> There would still be coal plants ready to light up, when needed
[12:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a bunch of ways to mitigate all your renewables suddenly going away. they did pretty much none of them.
[12:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> =blame austin
[12:54:56] * systemd points at TheMightyBuzzard
[12:55:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[12:55:12] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with the 0xF0RD dictionary
[12:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, poor planning was the major issue. but it was poor planning in regards to renewables, so renewables are damned well relevant.
[12:57:18] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.rt.com
[12:57:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, anything you'd care to kneejerk disagree with?
[12:57:25] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08S. Africa to Administer Globally Unapproved J&J Covid-19 Shot in Healthcare Workers Trial, Looks to " (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:58:01] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, your mom not aborting you with a rusty coathanger when she had the chance
[12:58:48] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[12:59:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> translation: she knows i'm completely right but can't stand admitting it
[12:59:28] <Runaway1956> Police clash with dumpster divers
[12:59:33] <Runaway1956> https://www.foxnews.com
[12:59:34] <systemd> ^ 03Portland police clash with residents over discarded food
[13:00:16] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: Unfortunately the facts do not support your Tucker Carlson immitation.
[13:00:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, yes, they absolutely do.
[13:00:28] <AzumaHazuki> oh, you said knee-jerk. if you wanted a reasoned objection: your insistence on the type of power source is irrelevant. poor planning is poor planning
[13:00:45] <AzumaHazuki> so yeah, you're wrong and a walking abortion, but we all know that
[13:00:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> poor planning in this case was in regards to renewables, so relevant
[13:01:27] <FatPhil> The facts are that Texas' fossil fuels have a 34 GW shortfall because of unpreparedness for the cold.
[13:01:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> personally, i don't care if we get our power from hamster wheels, there just better be redundancy built in for worst case scenarios
[13:01:44] <AzumaHazuki> you don't seem to understand something here...poor planning kneecaps any and all kinds of power. doesn't matter what kind. that's like saying dropping crappy food into a fire makes it inedible but a prime rib would come out fine because it's prime rib
[13:01:49] <AzumaHazuki> you're so completely full of shit
[13:02:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, which would not be an issue if the renewables weren't treated as unpossible to suddenly disappear.
[13:02:27] <Runaway1956> What progressives fail to understand is that all the fossil fuel plants have been shut down by progressives who lobbied that renewables could replace the fossil fuel plants
[13:02:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, yes, and in this case it was poor planning around renewables, so renewables are relevant
[13:02:36] <Runaway1956> so, progressives are wrong AGAIN
[13:02:44] <AzumaHazuki> the entire grid of the peoples' republic of texassistan is shit. it's deliberately isolated. this is a USSR-style failure, right down to NIH syndrome. you're full of shit
[13:02:59] <FatPhil> It is an issue because, and only because, they are dependent on that fossil fuel energy. Green energy doesn't enter into things at all.
[13:03:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> could be worse, could be california style failure
[13:03:01] <AzumaHazuki> know how you plan a grid well? connect it to the rest of the country
[13:03:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, it does if it goes the fuck away during a power spike
[13:03:43] <Runaway1956> You can always tell a progressive - but you can't tell him much
[13:03:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha
[13:03:57] <AzumaHazuki> and this is why you network. texas' grid is isolated and therefore uniquely vulnerable, i.e., poorly-planned
[13:04:06] <AzumaHazuki> this is a problem far below the level of "what kind of power is it"
[13:04:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> again, i don't give a fuck how the power is generated but you'd better expect and plan for shit going wrong, which means acknowledging the failure points of any kind of power.
[13:04:37] <AzumaHazuki> now don't get me wrong, I am all for there being fewer Texans :D But this didn't have to happen
[13:04:43] <Runaway1956> With or without networking, the renewables have FAILED
[13:05:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> this time it was folks in austin refusing to acknolwege that solar panels don't work when it's cloudy and they're covered in snow and windmills don't work when they're iced up
[13:05:48] <FatPhil> But the fossil fuel sources went away at least as much
[13:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> next time it could be a national shortage of natural gas or hamsters
[13:06:13] <FatPhil> I've said that about 6 times so far - what have you tefloned your brain with to make it not stick?
[13:06:15] <Runaway1956> citation needed fatphil - coal plants just don't care how cold it is
[13:06:27] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: bullcrap - they need water
[13:06:49] <Runaway1956> and coal plants can supply the electricity to pump water, no?
[13:06:50] <FatPhil> how can you guys be so ignorant and still remain alive - there should be some evolutionary pressure against this
[13:06:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, you're still talking like renewables have no shortcomings
[13:07:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> and folks like that are why texas is dark right now
[13:07:21] <inz> FatPhil, unfortunately the evolutionary process will take care of us too. :(
[13:07:28] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil: he's a sociopath. plain and simple. he's the epistemological equivalent of a one-man human centipede.
[13:07:30] <FatPhil> No, I'm saying you're blinkered. Every time I pull the blinkers aside you put on another pair.
[13:07:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> besides, we're not just alive, we're extremely prosperous
[13:08:02] <AzumaHazuki> there is no reasoning with one who has renounced the use of reason. he is effectively insane, as crazy as anyone in a tight white jacket with three sleeves
[13:08:15] <Runaway1956> again, 'zumi offers nothing but insults
[13:08:17] <FatPhil> "The wind is not solely to blame," explained Wade Schauer, a research director at energy research consultancy Wood Mackenzie to Bloomberg News. Of the 34 gigawatts generation capacity forced offline, Schauer estimates that about 27 gigawatts of coal, nuclear, and gas capacity is unavailable in part because the cold has driven up demand for natural gas for heating. "That's the bigger problem," he told
[13:08:17] <Runaway1956> Please keep discussions civil
[13:08:23] <FatPhil> Bloomberg News. The pipeline system is not able to deliver enough natural gas to supply both higher demand for home heating and power generation.
[13:08:31] <FatPhil> https://reason.com
[13:08:32] <systemd> ^ 03Renewable Energy Is Not the Chief Cause of Texas' Power Outages
[13:08:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, make a rational argument or make it on the site. this ain't the place for spewing constant chains of random insults
[13:09:01] <AzumaHazuki> sorry the truth hurts, shitglutton
[13:09:09] <FatPhil> "In fact, similar state-wide power outages previously occurred in February 2011 when wind and solar power constituted less than 4 percent of Texas' generation capacity." - you gonna blame that on greeny lefties too, Buzz?
[13:09:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> .quiet AzumaHazuki
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[13:09:35] <FatPhil> Always got another pair of blinkers, I see
[13:09:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, listen to the words that are coming out of my fingers: poor planning was the cause. and this time it was largely poor planning around renewables.
[13:10:20] <Runaway1956> Good point on the gas pipeline fatphil - but that has nothing to do with coal plants
[13:11:17] <FatPhil> which is why I've been saying "fossil fuel".
[13:11:24] <Runaway1956> Additionally natural gas wells are apparently frozen, and not producing
[13:11:29] <FatPhil> please learn to read, lest everyone thing you're a retard.
[13:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> but, yeah, they also forgot that water gets hard when it gets cold too.
[13:11:49] <Runaway1956> Ahhhh, but I've repeatedly mentioned coal plants
[13:12:04] <Runaway1956> all of which have been shut down, by progressives
[13:13:39] <FatPhil> Buzz's original accusation was against renewables. I was contrasting against that.
[13:14:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it was legit, it just wasn't the entire story of the history of the world.
[13:14:25] <FatPhil> 14:24 <+TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, well if they hadn't been morons and put so
[13:14:28] <FatPhil> much of their power generation into renewables that are
[13:14:31] <FatPhil> completely fucked by a bit of snow...
[13:14:31] <Runaway1956> I think Buzz's point is that renewables should be PART OF the infrastructure - not the end-all and be-all
[13:14:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i'm going back to drinking coffee and playing video games for the 15m of free time i have left this morning
[13:14:59] <FatPhil> It doesn't seem to matter much - see the quote about 2011 a page back.
[13:16:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, feel free to .unquiet AzumaHazuki when you reckon she's able to control herself again
[13:16:33] * TheMightyBuzzard exits stage left
[13:16:35] <FatPhil> .unquiet AzumaHazuki
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[13:16:38] <AzumaHazuki> "Control herself," LOL. You're so full of shit I can smell it through the screen
[13:17:01] <Runaway1956> and she opens with yet another pointless insult . . .
[13:18:18] <FatPhil> that was pent up - can you blame her?
[13:18:59] <Runaway1956> Yes, I can blame her, she responds to disciplinary measures with a lack of discipline
[13:22:05] <FatPhil> Maybe she responds to idiocy with what the recipients feel is more offensive than their idiocy is to her?
[13:22:34] <AzumaHazuki> pretty much :)
[13:22:51] <AzumaHazuki> the problem is, 1) I'm incredibly vulgar and crude when I do it and 2) i'm right
[13:22:57] <Runaway1956> Making excuses for being a dick?
[13:23:32] <AzumaHazuki> Example: "when he gets to Hell they'll break every rib and vertebra he has and bend him over backwards so they can stitch his mouth to his anus. For a start. Never let it be said one's inner demons aren't poetic!"
[13:23:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> bleh, forgot i needed to check the bbq and finish getting dressed. no time for vidya.
[13:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kickban AzumaHazuki
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[13:23:53] -!- AzumaHazuki was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(TheMightyBuzzard) No reason given]
[13:24:19] <Runaway1956> fitting
[13:24:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> insults during a topical argument: fine sn tradition. insults as an end of their own: not
[13:25:12] <Runaway1956> She won't learn that sort of thing is expected in #shitlords
[13:25:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, nuff. see above in regards to everyone not just her.
[13:33:10] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[13:33:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Verge" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:35:16] <FatPhil> .unban *!*@the.end.of.time
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[13:36:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, that ain't me getting shirty, bytram's repeatedly warned her as well
[13:37:23] <FatPhil> yes, that has been noticed
[13:37:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> she wants to insult amid an argument, yay. she just wants to fling insults, she gots to go.
[13:39:36] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.nytimes.com Presumptuous Facebook is NOT "supreme" in any way
[13:39:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Opinion | Facebook’s ‘Supreme Court’ Faces its First Major Test" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[13:44:28] * Subsentient lets out a scream like an old man with no tongue getting his dick slowly eaten off by voles
[13:47:16] <Subsentient> chromas: That video you sent me made my evening. :^)
[13:52:55] <Runaway1956> Last night's forecast for 1 to 3 inches looks like about 1 1/4 inch -
[13:53:09] <Runaway1956> supposed to be another 1 to 3 inches today - maybe
[13:57:38] <Subsentient> I have 1 to 3 inches, depending on whether I suck in my gut
[14:00:41] <Runaway1956> lol
[14:01:44] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: So besides all the trolling and retarded name calling etc in the comments that I'm careful to mostly avoid, I'm wondering, why do you support Trump, in your own words?
[14:02:14] <Runaway1956> Actually, I don't "support" the man Subsentient
[14:02:41] <Runaway1956> I am more opposed to Dem insanity than I am to either Rep or Trump insanity
[14:02:51] <Runaway1956> they're all screwed up, after all
[14:03:27] <Subsentient> Yeah I will admit that on the far, far left, there's some really sickening stuff. Like the blue-haired "don't call your baby a boy till he decides" shit.
[14:03:49] <requerdanos> *til they decide
[14:03:59] <Subsentient> $burrito requerdanos
[14:03:59] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at requerdanos
[14:04:34] <Runaway1956> you gonna eat that?
[14:04:47] <requerdanos> nah, open season
[14:05:20] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: The way I see it, on the far right there's a great deal of misinformation and lies, and on the far left there's a strangely, nascently strong hunger for censorship, which is even more dangerous than the lies.
[14:05:48] <Subsentient> There's always been those whackjobs who wanted to silence conservative voices, but I've never seen anything like the last couple years.
[14:06:10] <Subsentient> People don't learn from history.
[14:06:15] <Runaway1956> Agreed with lies vs censorship - I can sort among lies, but censorship only allows one form of lie
[14:07:30] <Subsentient> Everyone thinks they can, but sadly nobody's really immune. I've been disturbed by some legit-looking propaganda on multiple occasions, only to do my own research and find out it's a load of shit. So I'm careful to avoid that stuff in case something gets *past* my bullshit filter.
[14:08:05] <Subsentient> The problem is, do you allow them to destroy democracy by driving the citizens insane with a reality distortion field, or do you destroy it for them in a futile attempt to silence them, replacing one problem with another?
[14:09:02] <Subsentient> The problem is they're using democratic principles to undermine democracy
[14:09:11] <Runaway1956> exactly
[14:10:33] <Runaway1956> Identity politics - no one understands how closely that crap parallels pre-WW2 Germany
[14:10:37] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: I'm really not sure how you fight that honestly. Anything you do ends up making it worse or at very best not changing anything
[14:11:10] <Runaway1956> Counter the lies with truth whenever possible?
[14:11:19] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: Yeah I'm a big believer in "leave people alone" politics. Let people fuck, marry, and smoke whatever they want as long as, and strictly as long as, they're not hurting anybody but themselves.
[14:11:21] <Runaway1956> Or, as much of the truth as you can find
[14:11:39] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: The problem is, nobody believes the truth when you can find it, because the world is saturated in lies.
[14:11:52] <Runaway1956> Yeah . . .
[14:12:33] <Subsentient> What happened to the Philippines is a good example of what's happening in the US.
[14:12:53] <Runaway1956> not sure I see that, elaborate?
[14:13:16] * Runaway1956 has a rather unique view of the Philippines
[14:13:38] <Subsentient> Small media outlets claiming to be the "good guys" secretly backed by foreign and domestic malicious actors influencing national politics. Duterte delivered death threats to reporters on live television and they're trying to gaslight the entire nation. Even if he helped with drugs, the machine that got him elected is truly terrifying if you look into it.
[14:14:03] <Runaway1956> OK, I can agree with that.
[14:14:35] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: that's what's coming here. They used democracy to destroy democracy.
[14:14:50] <Subsentient> Duterte will never leave office. Mark my words
[14:14:58] <Subsentient> Well, until he dies
[14:15:04] <Runaway1956> Well, Marcos was never leaving either . . .
[14:15:36] <Subsentient> Such is the plight of "democracies without democrats", e.g. population that can't spot the dismantling of democracy when it happens right in front of them.
[14:15:38] <Runaway1956> Ya know - I've never checked to see what tribe Duterte is from.
[14:17:15] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: I'm genuinely petrified about what's coming. I desperately hope I don't live to see the worst of it, but I almost certainly will. Maybe I should smoke more cigars.
[14:17:19] <Runaway1956> Maranao?
[14:18:12] <Subsentient> Idk. Never seemed relevant to me.
[14:18:24] <Subsentient> All I know is he's another dictator in a failed democracy
[14:18:28] <Subsentient> one of dozens on earth
[14:18:50] <Subsentient> You can't just set up a democratic government with an ignorant, selfish population and expect them to have the insight to maintain it
[14:19:00] <Runaway1956> Demographics can be fascinating, if you know the history of the various people
[14:19:30] <Runaway1956> That at least gives you some motives for their crap behaviour
[14:19:41] <FatPhil> Never have an actor as a president, it's all downhill after that...
[14:20:28] <FatPhil> Raygun, Estrada, you're right, Philippines and US do have a lot in common...
[14:20:35] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Yeah Biden is not going to do much of anything in any direction from what I can see, just Obama 2.0. Oh and the healthcare.... The ACA was well intentioned but the result was the biggest healthcare disaster in US history.
[14:21:08] <Runaway1956> Insurance companies had far, far, FAR to much input into Obamacare
[14:21:27] <Runaway1956> No one really gave a damn about what doctors and patients needed or wanted
[14:22:02] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: Of course they did. Obama was "medium-corrupt" as far as presidents go, business influenced way too many policy decisions.
[14:22:34] <Runaway1956> medium-corrupt - lol, I like that - and it seems fitting
[14:22:51] <Runaway1956> Obama was less evil, than just skewed off of American values
[14:23:08] <Subsentient> Biden is a bit less corrupt as far as I can tell, but I'm already seeing warning signs he's going to be very ineffectual. Still, I prefer inaction to the wrong action.
[14:23:20] <FatPhil> Romneycare was *never* about health, it was a tool for putting money from the working classes in the pockets of big finance (specifically the insurance industry)
[14:23:46] <Subsentient> Honestly it's so ironic that Romney would be one of the last bastions of decency and principles in the republican party.
[14:23:53] <Subsentient> I desperately miss the old republicans.
[14:23:55] <Runaway1956> You can't convince the edge cases of that though phil
[14:24:25] <FatPhil> Biden's horrifically tainted by familial corruption. If this was central/south america, you'd be laughing your tits off at his appointment.
[14:24:48] <Subsentient> Yeah but it can't get much more nepotistic than Trump's picks
[14:25:08] <Subsentient> Biden is a wet turd, but I'd rather him than Trump.
[14:25:08] <FatPhil> Agreed - that was a central/south american sitcom!
[14:25:16] <FatPhil> who wore the bee costume?
[14:25:20] <Runaway1956> oddly, nepotism is easier to understand than where the Dems are going
[14:26:26] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: There's one important point I kinda want you to take to heart. The crazies you see in the media are not the "real" dems, but they have an unfortunately disproportionate influence and voice. You will find most dems are sickened by some of their policies.
[14:26:43] <Subsentient> And I know a lot of dems
[14:27:10] <Runaway1956> You're getting close to my major complaint about Dems:
[14:27:27] <Runaway1956> in 2016 election, Reps revolted against the party, and nominated Trump
[14:27:50] <Runaway1956> same election, Dems revolted, but the Dem party beat down the revolt and pushed Clinton
[14:28:10] <Subsentient> Yeah, true. They cheated Bernie, but he'd never win anyways.
[14:28:12] <FatPhil> they were revolting against the patriarchy!
[14:28:13] <Runaway1956> in 2020, Dems sort of revolted again, but the party beat them down again
[14:28:47] <Runaway1956> Maybe I'm biased, but I think Gabbard had a chance to win
[14:28:54] <Runaway1956> she is so centrist
[14:29:23] <Subsentient> The democratic party as a body is a festering infected quagmire of corruption. The republican party used to actually be a bit cleaner until Trump came along, and now his oozing black tentacles are in every orifice of the reps.
[14:29:45] <FatPhil> Of the current crop (meaning the runup-to-2020 candidates), Gabbard's the only one I think who's vaguely sane.
[14:30:00] <FatPhil> politicalcompass.org puts her very very central
[14:30:17] * Runaway1956 remembers the oath that every R had to sign to get Republican party backing
[14:30:24] <Runaway1956> that was corrupt as all hell
[14:30:33] <Subsentient> Yeah well you know my views on that. https://universe2.us
[14:32:01] <Subsentient> We're truly living in the end of days for the United States, gentlemen. It's going to be a wild rollercoaster ride, and everyone is going to want a refund.
[14:33:30] <FatPhil> you'd be surprised how far elastoplast can stretch...
[14:35:01] <Runaway1956> I don't know how much stretch there can be when critical race theory is being pushed in schools and in government agencies
[14:35:05] <FatPhil> regarding the 2nd dimension - I don't think there's enough independence such that all of the political compass is ever going to be used, but there's definitely merit in having 2 dimensions.
[14:35:40] <Subsentient> FatPhil: Not in practice, at least not in the states. Either side's extreme gravitates to authoritarianism.
[14:36:06] <Subsentient> Anyone ever go on slashdot anymore? I go once in a while, and there's pages and pages and pages of ascii art swastika spam and a whole lot of crickets. Sign of the times.
[14:36:12] <FatPhil> whilst claiming to be the exact opposite sometimes.
[14:36:45] <Runaway1956> I still have slashdot in my feeds - seldom visit
[14:37:06] <FatPhil> I followed a random link to a comment in a thread about a month ago. Saw a hilariously witty response to it - it was by some cunt called "FatPhil".
[14:37:13] <Runaway1956> now and then I see an article that I search out the sources
[14:37:30] <FatPhil> followed ... a month ago. the thread was decade old
[14:37:56] * Runaway1956 runs off to create a sockpuppet named FatCunt
[14:38:55] <FatPhil> Hmmm, I should check if my /. sock nickname is available on SN...
[14:39:08] <Runaway1956> lol
[14:39:24] * Subsentient doesn't need a sockpuppet, his undying glory must be radiated pure and true for all to bask in
[14:39:52] <FatPhil> Yeah, that's why I never deliberately post AC - I'm happy to put my name to my outbursts.
[14:40:41] <Subsentient> I've occasionally gone AC for really, really offensive jokes, e.g. racist shit, but yeah usually I'm fine with my name being associated with liveleaks gore and vaginas the diameter of a basketball
[14:41:21] <Subsentient> It's sad that it's come to the point you can't make certain types of offensive jokes without fearing for your job.
[14:41:46] * Runaway1956 grew up in a town with four distinct groups of people
[14:41:58] <Runaway1956> there were black, white, Italian, and Slovaks
[14:41:58] <Subsentient> I mean I can make jokes about my own race I guess, like "dayum girl are you a preschool cuz I wanna shoot kids inside of you"
[14:42:18] <Runaway1956> You were judge by your ability to insult all the other three groups
[14:42:24] <Subsentient> Lol
[14:43:47] <Subsentient> That's the america I dream of -- friendly racist jokes. Where a man can call his black friend a nigger in broad daylight without raising an eyebrow, and the black guy responds by laughing and calling him a honkey
[14:44:16] <Subsentient> Swearing has been mostly normalized, but the words you can't say have changed.
[14:44:30] <gozar> You get half of that watching the Jeffersons. :-)
[14:44:38] <Subsentient> I'm a devout follower of edgelordianism, so to have taboos like that bothers the hell out of me
[14:44:47] <Runaway1956> When you are intimate with a family, you know all the inside jokes - mostly disparaging
[14:45:02] <Runaway1956> if brothers and sisters can insult each other, and still love each other
[14:45:17] <Subsentient> Exactly
[14:45:20] <Runaway1956> we need to take that same kind of thing out in the streets
[14:45:40] <Subsentient> You get it. This guy gets it. People can't let words hurt them.
[14:45:58] <Runaway1956> Besides, who doesn't like a good flat tire joke? Dego "WOP WOP WOP"
[14:46:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A New Class Of Superconductors: Commonly Mistaken Name Leads To Discovery - https://sylnt.us
[14:47:47] * Runaway1956 heads to the kitchen to do something with a big-ass rump roast
[14:48:02] <Subsentient> Runaway1956: Good talking with you.
[14:50:41] * Subsentient crawls back under the bed
[14:59:20] <Bytram> Runaway1956: FatPhil: TheMightyBuzzard: As I see it, renewables in isolation was not the problem. Even if ALL of the renewable power sources were working full-tilt, the shortfall would still exist. They just did not have enough power to meet demand. There was a recent article on Ars Technica explaining this.
[15:02:42] <Bytram> IOW, exactly as FatPhil was pointing out. Demand for power exceeded all available resources. Competition for natural gas -- both for heat and for electricity -- was one of, if not THE, primary factor.
[15:03:47] <Bytram> Also, when your cooling water turns to ice, doesn't matter if it is coal, gas, or nuclear. No cooling capacity means you don't have power today.
[15:09:49] <FatPhil> And shortfall from fossils was twice the shortfall from wind.
[15:10:30] <Bytram> Subsentient: generally agree, but "not affecting anybody but themselves" works find until their actions, for example, land them in the hospital needing expensive care and they demand someone else pay for it.
[15:10:41] <FatPhil> saw 2 values, to 1SD 30GW fossil shortfall, and another to 2SD, 34GW.
[15:11:55] * Bytram is STILL trying to catch up on backscroll -- what a chattly bumnch you lot have been!
[15:16:27] <gozar> Another issue is that the Texas grid is its own thing, and they can't transport power in from other places.
[15:18:13] <Bytram> Subsentient: I've not been to slashdot but maybe 15(?) times since we started -- and pretty much all of them were to compare behavior of certain actions between the sites.
[15:26:21] <Bytram> As for windmills not working, it IS possible to put heaters on them so they continue to work in extreme cold. See Norway for one. ISTR northern Maine has a huge swath of windmills, too. Problem is when deploying a boatload of 'em and try to economize by NOT installing the heaters, because you *probably* will not need 'em. Big OOPS! But you got the contract with a low bid and got your profit. Enough people went along with it that they
[15:26:21] <Bytram> got it through... and it seemed okay... until it wasn't.
[15:50:38] <FatPhil> the combination of an emergency diesel generator and some ethylene glycol or whatever, will keep most windfarms active full time. I know some do hot water instead, but I'm not sure that makes as much sense. What works for planes will work for windmills.
[15:53:13] <FatPhil> I guess this year is about a 4-in-a-century occurance, give or take a couple. There were some nasty years in the 20s, 30s, 50s...
[15:55:49] <FatPhil> The inlaws mentioned that they're doing rolling blackouts in NE, I'm not sure if that's common or rare presently out there in US-land.
[15:57:11] <requerdanos> US-land is pretty big, and as such it's a thing in some areas (i.e. California) but almost unheard-of in other areas
[15:57:32] <FatPhil> Pretty sure that the meteorologist of the family did mention encountering sub- -30 temperatures in the past, but it's a continental landmass, and when the cold air comes down from the north it's a huge lobe of air that has few chances to warm up - your only hope is for it to be pushed back north again.
[15:57:37] <FatPhil> =blame canada!
[15:57:37] * systemd points at FatPhil
[15:58:51] <FatPhil> yeah, I read about the rolling blackouts during fire season, that sounded worse TBH.
[16:00:53] <FatPhil> Blimey. The inlaws aren't quite this old: "The state's lowest-recorded temperature was −47 °F (−44 °C) in Camp Clarke on February 12, 1899. "
[16:09:54] * Bytram once went on a ski trip. Was -34F (-28.8C) at the top of the mountain when I started skiing. Yes, it was COLD, but I was bundled up pretty well (but not quite well enough). I was much younger then. Now, I really prefer the temps never get below 0F (-17.8C)!!
[16:12:22] <Bytram> As far as I know, most heating around here is oil then propane and then electric. Power goes out? (Not unusual with Blizzards), still need electricity to run the furnace pumps, controllers, etc. My heart goes out to those who are experiencing these temps for the first time and are not prepsred for it.
[16:12:27] <Bytram> s/ps/pa/
[16:12:27] <SedBot> <Bytram> As far as I know, most heating around here is oil then propane and then electric. Power goes out? (Not unusual with Blizzards), still need electricity to run the furnace pumpa, controllers, etc. My heart goes out to those who are experiencing these temps for the first time and are not prepsred for it.
[16:12:35] <Bytram> whatevs
[16:12:59] <Bytram> FatPhil: appreciate the feedback/discussion
[16:13:15] <Bytram> really gtg; back in a few hours.
[16:14:50] * FatPhil 's mouse battery dies
[17:16:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Star Employees Get Most of the Credit - and Blame - https://sylnt.us
[17:57:36] <Ingar> corded mouse for life
[17:57:57] <Ingar> just picked up a new logitech g203
[18:03:11] <chromas> How's the RGB?
[18:06:29] <Ingar> very rainbow
[18:06:36] <Ingar> I'm now looking for a unicorn keyboard
[18:07:04] <Ingar> I'm into RGB crap so I don't mind
[18:07:28] <Ingar> it's well done though
[18:08:02] <Ingar> the previous g203 model could only do a single color, this iteration has addressable
[18:09:01] <Ingar> it actually feels nicer than the previous one too, but ofc I replaced that because it was starting to wear out
[18:12:51] <chromas> Was it the switches?
[18:13:26] <chromas> Turning your clicks into double clicks and your drags into double clicks
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[19:46:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Manipulating Magnets at the Atomic Scale for Fast and Energy-Efficient Future Data Processing - https://sylnt.us
[19:55:54] <chromas> https://go.theregister.com
[19:55:55] <systemd> ^ 03Devuan adds third init option in sixth birthday release ( https://www.theregister.com )
[19:56:05] <chromas> Devuan making the big boy news sites
[20:13:19] <chromas> https://www.theregister.com
[20:13:20] <systemd> ^ 03'It's where the industry is heading': LibreOffice team working on WebAssembly port
[20:25:35] <joepublic> ha ha no really
[20:29:14] <FatPhil> you can emulate a whole system in webassembly, so just run LO within that emu. Duh.
[20:35:15] <inz> someone has too many cpu cycles
[20:38:37] <chromas> good idea, FatPhil. Just boot up VirtualBox in the browser and then I can run everything
[21:08:02] <FatPhil> A couple of years back I watched an absolutely hilarious conference presentation (on youtube, prolly) about the future, and I'm sure runninga full emulator in your browser was one of the predictions. Which he demonstrated live.
[21:08:11] <FatPhil> I can't find it now.
[21:08:32] <FatPhil> It was a joke presentation, but it was also a serious one.
[21:21:58] <inz> with all the sandboxen and all, it's very close to that already
[22:11:04] <Bytram> #weather boca chica, TX
[22:11:06] <MrPlow> 4911 Boca Chica, Henderson County, TX 75148, USA - Today: "Foggy in the morning." 28/22F, Humidity: 84%, Precip: 46%, Wind ~8mph. Thu: "Overcast throughout the day." 32/12F, Humidity: 81%, Precip: 20%, Wind ~11mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 36/20F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 13%, Wind ~5mph.
[22:11:23] <Bytram> #weather chicago
[22:11:25] <MrPlow> Congress Plaza Hotel, 500-510 South Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL 60604, USA - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 21/12F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~4mph. Thu: "Foggy in the morning and afternoon." 23/5F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 16%, Wind ~6mph. Fri: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 18/4F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 7%, Wind ~9mph.
[22:12:09] <Bytram> #weather minnesota
[22:12:10] <MrPlow> 160th St, Morrison County, MN 56382, USA - Today: "Overcast throughout the day." 10/-2F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 7%, Wind ~5mph. Thu: "Foggy until evening." 14/-5F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 15/-5F, Humidity: 74%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~4mph.
[22:12:27] <Bytram> #weather miami
[22:12:28] <MrPlow> 8 North Miami Ave, Miami, FL 33128, USA - Today: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 79/74F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 90%, Wind ~8mph. Thu: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 78/74F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 15%, Wind ~13mph. Fri: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 80/62F, Humidity: 81%, Precip: 36%, Wind ~13mph.
[22:13:06] <Bytram> #weather tampa
[22:13:10] <MrPlow> Harbour Island, Tampa, Florida, USA - Today: "Possible drizzle in the morning." 69/66F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 62%, Wind ~5mph. Thu: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 81/66F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 30%, Wind ~11mph. Fri: "Light rain in the morning and afternoon." 72/45F, Humidity: 87%, Precip: 89%, Wind ~12mph.
[22:13:32] <Bytram> #weather nome
[22:13:40] <MrPlow> Nome, AK 99762, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 6/-5F, Humidity: 45%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~7mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." -1/-16F, Humidity: 47%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~6mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." -3/-15F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 2%, Wind ~4mph.
[22:13:52] <Bytram> #weather fairbanks
[22:13:56] <MrPlow> Co-op Market, Gaffney Rd, Fairbanks, AK 99701-6161, USA - Today: "Foggy in the evening and overnight." 15/-4F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 8%, Wind ~1mph. Thu: "Foggy in the morning and afternoon." 6/-24F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 15%, Wind ~3mph. Fri: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." -10/-28F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 9%, Wind ~2mph.
[22:15:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - dRehmflight: Customizable Flight Stabilisation for Your Weird Flying Contraptions - https://sylnt.us
[22:24:22] <FatPhil> RIP Lush Rambo
[22:37:30] <Runaway1956> Rush is the guy who was addicted to all kinds of crap, right?
[22:37:57] <Runaway1956> Can't remember what he was on, TBH
[22:39:27] <chromas> Neither can he
[22:40:26] <Runaway1956> Well, at age 70, and assuming ambient temperature, he can be forgiven for not remembering.
[22:48:37] <Runaway1956> My rump roast is rumpy!
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[22:57:18] <Koekepan> Anyone seen the news about Ismay in Massachusetts?
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[22:58:10] <Bytram> =g Ismay Massachusetts
[22:58:11] <systemd> https://www.linkedin.com - David Ismay - Boston, Massachusetts | Professional Profile | LinkedIn
[22:58:19] <Bytram> nope
[22:58:36] <Bytram> =g Ismay Massachusetts -linkedin
[22:58:36] <systemd> https://www.bostonherald.com - Embattled Massachusetts climate official David Ismay resigns ...
[22:58:47] <fliptop> So nothing in the queue about Rush dying this morning? Should I even bother?
[22:59:34] <Runaway1956> Well, Rush isn't a tech figure - he'll draw more trolls than anything
[22:59:36] <Bytram> fliptop: I only foresee sides flaming at each other.. do you see otherwise?
[23:01:38] <fliptop> Actually he was really into technology. Besides, isn't radio technology? He was the most listened to host ever
[23:02:11] <fliptop> He was a Mac guy, maybe the flame war can be about that...
[23:03:39] <Bytram> FWIW, I think folks are enjoying a bit of a respite from the daily donald political tweetstorm but it's only ebbed, not gone, and could be rekindled at any provocation.
[23:05:28] <Bytram> I cannot speak for the other editors - we are all free to make our own selections - but I, for one, would not be interested in running it... unless you can give a good tech angle on it.
[23:06:01] <fliptop> Just curious, what was the tech angle w/ James Randi?
[23:06:21] <Bytram> who?
[23:06:24] <fliptop> Eddie Van Halen?
[23:06:38] <fliptop> https://soylentnews.org
[23:06:40] <systemd> ^ 03James Randi, 92, Has Passed Away - SoylentNews
[23:06:47] <Runaway1956> He had a kickass electric guitar
[23:06:57] <fliptop> Rush had a kickass golden mic
[23:07:23] <Runaway1956> but mics are old hat
[23:07:34] <Runaway1956> Thomas Edison had microphones
[23:07:52] <fliptop> Oh c'mon
[23:08:16] <Runaway1956> Don't let me discourage you - make a submission if you like
[23:08:32] <Runaway1956> That funny looking young kid will publish anything
[23:08:45] <fliptop> Maybe I'll do a journal entry instead. I'll see what I can do about working in a tech angle though.
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[23:09:16] <Runaway1956> Did Rush use high tech drugs? Nanotech drugs are a thing, you know
[23:09:30] <fliptop> He had a cochlear implant. That's pretty high tech
[23:10:09] <Runaway1956> Didn't he have a glass eye?
[23:10:26] <Bytram> Lemme try again. Rush made his name by being a VERY vocal Republican talk show host -- he made his name by getting people riled up about stuff, sowing controversy. Am I mistaken? So, as I see it, any story posted about hispassing would be a lightning rod for flamewars. I do not get the same "vibe" for the others you mentioned.
[23:11:11] * Runaway1956 checks his flame retardant Carhartts
[23:11:29] * Runaway1956 orders some flame retardant Hanes
[23:13:25] <Bytram> Also, as you mentioned about the precedents of other stories we're run... and rightly so, I think. So, AFAICR, we've not run an obituary about a talk-show host before. I fail to see how this would be for the community. Then agan, maybe I'm missing something?
[23:14:03] <Bytram> s/be /be good/
[23:14:03] <SedBot> <Bytram> Also, as you mentioned about the precedents of other stories we're run... and rightly so, I think. So, AFAICR, we've not run an obituary about a talk-show host before. I fail to see how this would be goodfor the community. Then agan, maybe I'm missing something?
[23:18:04] <Bytram> fliptop: I think putting it in your journal may work out for the best. Then again, another editor may have other ideas, so don't let my opinion stop you!
[23:18:27] <fliptop> Thanks, I'll see what I can do after I'm done chores.
[23:18:41] <Bytram> kewel!
[23:19:07] <Bytram> speaking of chores, I've got a few tasks to do atm.
[23:19:10] <Bytram> biab!
[23:20:23] <chromas> James Randi was a debunker of charlatans. Ghostesses and whatnot
[23:20:45] <Runaway1956> Ghosts are high tech, right?
[23:21:10] <fliptop> Rush single-handledly saved AM radio.
[23:21:13] <Runaway1956> Ghostbusters
[23:21:50] <chromas> There was a famous song too
[23:22:05] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[23:22:07] <systemd> ^ 03Rush Rush
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[23:52:35] <AzumaHazuki> Ooh, Rush Limbaugh's dead I hear
[23:53:22] <Runaway1956> Who?
[23:53:36] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.cnbc.com
[23:53:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Rush Limbaugh, the Incendiary Radio Talk Show Host, Dies at Age 70" (18p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:55:19] <Runaway1956> Bytram told you fliptop - here's one gloating over Rush's death
[23:55:38] <fliptop> Well the journal entry is done, pass the popcorn I suppose...
[23:55:56] <Runaway1956> Extra butter, extra salt, or both?
[23:56:09] <fliptop> Extra large
[23:56:32] <Runaway1956> extra extra everything - supersize me
[23:58:06] <fliptop> I suppose I should've pointed out in the entry his rise happened after the FCC gutted the Fairness Doctrine in 1987
[23:59:29] <AzumaHazuki> couldn't hurt. Limbaugh is one of the major drivers of today's plague of stupidity-driven hate
[23:59:42] <fliptop> yeah I'm going to edit it and add another paragraph...