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[02:16:27] <c0lo> https://www.rawstory.com
[02:16:28] <systemd> ^ 03Parler CEO forced out — by GOP megadonor investor Rebekah Mercer: report
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[02:38:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fully Driverless RoboTaxi Pilot Program in Shenzhen, China - https://sylnt.us - look-ma-no-hands
[05:06:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Say Goodbye to the Dots and Dashes to Enhance Optical Storage Media - https://sylnt.us - angular-wizardry
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[05:30:35] <Bytram> If there's anybody here who might be interested:
[05:30:38] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[05:30:40] <systemd> ^ 03Starlink Mission
[05:31:01] <Bytram> T-44:00
[06:03:01] <Bytram> T-12:00
[06:06:58] <Bytram> Looks to be live-ish
[06:07:24] * chromas cleeks
[06:08:21] <Bytram> here we goooooooo
[06:13:03] <Bytram> T-7:00
[06:14:03] <Bytram> T-6:00
[06:15:03] <Bytram> T-5:00
[06:16:03] <Bytram> T-4:00
[06:17:06] <Bytram> T-3:00
[06:17:33] <Bytram> T-2:30
[06:18:03] <Bytram> T-2:00
[06:18:33] <Bytram> T-1:30
[06:19:03] <Bytram> T-1:00
[06:19:33] <Bytram> T-0:30
[06:20:05] <Bytram> Ignition
[06:20:10] <Bytram> liftoff
[06:21:36] <Bytram> maxq
[06:21:45] <Bytram> (a few seconds ago)
[06:22:42] <Bytram> MECO
[06:23:01] <Bytram> stage sep
[06:23:16] <Bytram> mvac ignition
[06:23:37] <Bytram> fairing sep
[06:26:25] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 60km
[06:26:35] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 50km
[06:26:46] <Bytram> entry burn started
[06:26:57] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 30km
[06:27:10] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 20km
[06:27:27] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 10km
[06:27:51] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 5km
[06:28:01] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 3km
[06:28:07] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 2km
[06:28:12] <Bytram> stage 1 altitude 1km
[06:28:51] <Bytram> stuck the landing
[06:29:06] <Bytram> SECO
[06:29:41] <Bytram> parking orbit insertion
[06:30:05] <Bytram> T+45:00 for 2nd stage relight
[06:31:57] <chromas> Disposable masks
[06:32:01] <Bytram> that's like 35 minutes from now. I'm going to bed.
[06:32:05] <Bytram> yep
[06:32:06] <chromas> Where's the SpaceX-branded ones?
[06:32:34] <Bytram> dunno
[06:33:23] <Bytram> chromas: btw, there's an easy-picking story sub if you are interested ;)
[06:34:12] <chromas> also they're supposed to be wearing 3½ masks now
[06:34:16] <chromas> and getting the anal swab
[06:34:53] <Bytram> maybe you should go down there and show them how it's done
[06:35:20] <Bytram> and, with that, I'm heading for bed.
[06:35:31] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
[06:42:26] <chromas> Don't need to. Dr Fauci already said so
[07:33:23] <FatPhil> Don't trigger the fucknut detector, this ain't #shitlords - the recommendation was for 2, then 3, *layers*, of mask. All my masks are 3 layers, so to comply with 3 layers, I'd only need one mask.
[07:35:18] <boru> I thought they were up to 6 masks now, with the inner one being copper infused.
[07:35:35] <FatPhil> The above is a good shibboleth for detecting the disingenuous, you see it all over the alt-loon media.
[07:35:59] <boru> Which thing, specifically?
[07:36:06] <boru> I didn't read the scrollback
[07:36:51] <FatPhil> claiming that you're being told to wear "3 masks".
[07:36:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Spacewalking Astronauts Complete a Space Station Battery Upgrade Years in the Making - https://sylnt.us - continuing-saga-of-low-Earth-orbit
[07:37:20] <boru> Oh, I thought it was parody.
[07:37:29] <FatPhil> Poe's Law
[07:38:21] <boru> I think that applies to most of the news from over yonder, these days.
[07:38:36] <FatPhil> absolutely
[07:39:06] <boru> That "raw story" website people keep posting reads like The Onion.
[07:40:09] <boru> I feel sorry for The Onion, really. They had a niche in entertainment, but now they're being undermined from all angles. When will there be justice for The Onion?
[07:43:44] <FatPhil> Hmm, raw story doesn't ring a bell. I notice that the last one posted here is just a fairly neutral summary of a WSJ story.
[07:44:23] <FatPhil> no warning signs - if you wanted to look for dog-whistles, you could detect them for both left and right, in fact.
[07:52:52] <FatPhil> https://twitter.com
[07:52:53] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://twitter.com )
[08:00:27] <chromas> It was zero, then one, then two. No reason to expect it won't become three soon
[08:01:10] <FatPhil> wooooosh
[08:01:22] <chromas> I prefer fractions
[08:02:12] <chromas> no woosh. You take that onomatopoeia right back, mister!
[08:18:47] <FatPhil> that would violate entropy
[08:27:36] <c0lo> Tells all about the onion's predicament https://twitter.com
[08:27:36] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[08:52:11] <boru> Twatter is completely broken for me.
[08:52:23] <boru> Half the time it doesn't load anything, and this URL "this is not available to you"
[08:52:57] <boru> I don't have a twatter account, so I presume this is some sort of echo chamber feature to prevent dissident opinions on soundbites from talking heads.
[08:55:28] <FatPhil> We are not worthy enough to see the great wisdom of the blue check marks.
[08:57:53] <boru> In a way, I am glad I am not subjected to their inane commentary; twitter acts as a containment website for them.
[08:58:55] <boru> It's a shame we don't have the equivalent of Greek forums any more, where people would actually have to go and air their opinions face to face with people, and be forced to defend their positions rather than doing whatever the twitter equivalent is of /ignore
[08:59:35] <boru> Better yet, have them air their opinions and then debate by way of melee combat.
[09:00:33] <boru> What a marvelous filter that would be.
[09:10:08] <FatPhil> Would we eventually run out of christi^Wcretins?
[09:11:24] <boru> I think everyone would qualify to go into the debate pit, not just them.
[09:12:24] <boru> IMHO, the biggest problem with social media is that it gives everyone a soapbox where they can spew whatever they want and go unchallenged.
[09:12:50] <boru> There is no debate or consequences to the spewing.
[09:13:40] <boru> It's just slacktivism.
[09:14:02] <boru> Virtue signalling to appear superior amongst their perceived peers.
[09:14:34] <boru> I long for the days of public debates and direct democracy to return.
[09:15:07] <boru> Back at home, we occasionally had things in the town where people would do just that.
[09:16:10] <boru> You generally find that people are less venomnous in person than they are behind their phone or keyboard.
[09:16:45] <FatPhil> not according to the news footage I've seen of people on the streets.
[09:17:09] <FatPhil> "punch a nazi" is apparently an approved debating technique now.
[09:17:34] <boru> I'd argue that's a consequence of _not_ having such debates. That's the logical conclusion of anger boiling over from echo chambers.
[09:17:54] <FatPhil> it's fomented there, certainly
[09:18:03] <boru> I find the whole "nazi" accusation to be a bit banal and trite these days.
[09:18:53] <FatPhil> it was starting to get trite when "Godwin's Law" was first coined.
[09:19:13] <boru> If you answer someone's question by calling them a "nazi", I posit you've lost the debate very badly.
[09:19:19] <boru> True, enough.
[09:20:19] <boru> Ah, it's all bread and circuses these days.
[09:20:43] <boru> Something to prevent solidarity and to distract people from what little liberties they have left being taken away from them.
[09:21:09] <FatPhil> Annoyingly, there are times where actual comparisons to the nazis are appropriate, but they've now been drowned by baseless "I don't like what you stand for and therefore you're literally hitler" positions swamp the useful points. It actually prevents us from learning from history.
[09:21:30] <FatPhil> modulo grammar
[09:21:36] * boru nods.
[09:22:44] <boru> I don't remember who said it, or how it goes verbatim, but to paraphrase; hyperbole is the deficit of wit.
[09:23:38] <boru> "You don't believe in unconditional social welfare?! You're a baby eating, puppy kicking nazi!"
[09:23:38] <FatPhil> hyperbole, used as wit, can be wonderful. when used as logic, it's (a) terrible logic; and (b) terrible wit.
[09:24:58] <boru> Well, yes, that was what I was getting at.
[09:25:52] <boru> How and ever, hard times are coming. It'll be a self correcting problem.
[09:28:19] <FatPhil> One of the problems is that it's very hard to distinguish a humorous ironic exageration from a slippery slope fallacy. Most people slip from the former to the latter without thinking about it.
[09:29:13] <FatPhil> I'm a huge fan of irony, and I know I overuse such tropes, so eventually I'm "tricked" into delivering an unintentional slippery slope.
[09:30:20] <FatPhil> c.f. the number of "masks" thing we came in at.
[09:37:15] <chromas> That tweet is kinda funny, which is unexpected
[09:37:50] <chromas> "Get a Verified Blue Badge on your home
[09:37:50] <chromas> The blue verified badge on your house lets people outside know that you're an authentic public figure. To receive the blue check crest, there must be someone authentic and notable actively living in the house."
[09:38:22] <chromas> https://bluecheckhomes.com
[09:38:22] <systemd> ^ 03Blue Check Homes
[09:39:19] <chromas> only $3000
[09:40:34] <boru> I don't know. I oft thing the slippery slope fallacy is, itself, a fallacy.
[09:41:15] <boru> s/thing/think
[09:41:15] * SedBot offers buru a /
[09:41:23] <boru> Shutup, sedbot. Where is vimbot?
[09:41:24] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:41:34] * boru guffaws.
[09:41:37] <chromas> ZZ
[09:41:38] <boru> Sedbot is actually awkbot!
[09:41:38] * SedBot is a 54-line awk script, https://github.com
[09:41:48] <chromas> emacsbot
[09:42:38] <boru> You can omit the trailing slash with vim, fwiw.
[09:42:38] <chromas> Are fallacies inherently wrong though?
[09:43:21] <boru> Which reminds me, I need to fix a bunch of my plugins that the new irssi updates have broken.
[09:44:09] <boru> But first, I need to debug this filesystem I've written...
[09:44:28] <chromas> debugfs?
[09:44:36] <boru> At the moment, yes.
[09:45:31] <boru> It's a fairly basic NAND flash filesystem with a few bespoke features for very small devices, but it has an annoying wear levelling algorithm bug which I am trying to figure out.
[09:47:00] <boru> I have an emulated block device for testing it on a desktop machine, but I suspect this may be something which is triggered by the underlying driver for the QSPI flash device in question.
[09:47:23] <boru> Anyway, less ircdbg, and more gdb/openocd.
[09:47:24] <chromas> Does the emulated device emulate wear and stuff?
[09:47:29] <boru> Yeah.
[09:47:34] <boru> Even random bit flips and such.
[09:47:39] <chromas> nice
[10:04:44] <inz> I feel violated; lost my nasal virginity
[10:05:50] <inz> hope there won'y be anything positive about this day
[10:06:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Ever Measurements of Einsteinium Reveals Unexpected Properties - https://sylnt.us - element-99
[10:25:49] <c0lo> chromas, "Are fallacies inherently wrong though?". Yes, always. It doesn't mean that any conclusion derived from using a fallacy is false. Highly dubious but not worse than just asserting the conclusion without any supporting argumentation.
[10:36:03] <FatPhil> I "slippery slope" all the time, where I think it's valid. In order for it to be a valid extrapolation, you need to know not just the position, but also the velocity. Most people conjour up the latter out of thin air, and that's what makes it a fallacy.
[10:38:17] * chromas invents the fallacy fallacy
[10:45:05] <FatPhil> there is one already
[10:45:30] <FatPhil> just because someone used a fallacious argument to reach his conclusion, does not mean his conclusion is false.
[10:50:05] <FatPhil> there's also a related one that's a bit meta and can't be described quite as succinctly.
[10:53:41] <chromas> "Just because you called out a fallacy doesn't mean you have a point"?
[10:53:59] <FatPhil> let's try... "a rebuttal of an argument by identifying a logical fallacy therein is *not* a rebuttal of the conclusion of the argument"
[10:54:03] <FatPhil> very close, yes
[10:55:36] <FatPhil> e.g. "A did X", "But M did 2X", "that's whattaboutism", "are you saying M didn't do 2X?!?!?!?!?". Obviously not, person 2, you're an idiot. And that's not an ad hominem, that's an insult.
[10:57:14] <FatPhil> The number of people who can't tell the difference between "you're an idiot because you're wrong on this simple matter" and "you're wrong on this simple matter because you're an idiot" is myriad. A majority, in my experience.
[10:59:02] <chromas> Is there a proper term for Glenn Becking?
[10:59:15] <FatPhil> got an example?
[10:59:18] <chromas> "I'm not saying you did X but why aren'y ou denying it?"
[10:59:48] <chromas> i do'nt remember what X was; it was a thousand years ago
[11:02:57] <FatPhil> It's just one of the many "irrelvancy" fallacies. There's no benefit to emumerating everything that isn't true as part of an argument, unless there's been a prior argument that it is true.
[11:04:24] <FatPhil> And in your example, beck appears to be admitting that there's no actual argument put forward that X was indeed done.
[11:05:11] <chromas> If I remember right, it was kinda of a way to accuse someone of something without really doing it
[11:05:55] <chromas> Now I can't prove TheMightyBuzzard likes farts but he hasn't come in to say otherwise
[11:06:27] <chromas> How meta can fallacies get
[11:06:31] <FatPhil> it's just innuendo. it's probably used as part of an ad hominem
[11:06:54] <chromas> Is there like a world record for most fallacies per sentence?
[11:07:37] <FatPhil> if you combine them just perfectly, could you get them to cancel out?!?!?
[11:11:11] <chromas> fallacial combinatorics
[11:11:36] <c0lo> "the fallacy fallacy" is mansplaing. Or Runawaysplaining.
[11:12:02] <c0lo> The last name is less sexist.
[11:12:31] <FatPhil> you've presumed his gender in drawing the equivalence
[11:14:06] <boru> JFC, java, things written in java, and java programmers should be scoured from the face of the planet permanently.
[11:14:47] <FatPhil> i'd add to that "things written promoting java" too, just to be sure.
[11:14:53] <boru> Yes.
[11:15:26] <boru> I went to build the latest signal-cli from ports, and boy oh boy, do I bloody regret it.
[11:20:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:20:02] <systemd> ^ 03Horse farts at bride and groom during wedding
[11:21:37] <chromas> "Do you take this woman...?"
[11:21:37] <chromas> "Neigh"
[11:22:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[11:22:06] <systemd> ^ 03Funny Horses Farting
[11:22:24] <chromas> You see? He's still not denying it!
[11:22:37] <chromas> and yet he's supplying it
[11:23:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> farts are funny
[11:23:49] <chromas> =yt fart copter
[11:23:50] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Fartcopter | Infomercials | Adult Swim (11:02; 740,009 views; 👍11,577 👎727)
[11:24:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> especially after they invented the button on the driver's door to lock the windows
[11:25:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:25:42] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5483
[11:44:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, ima go get some vidya in before i gotta get the trash to the curb and go paint stuffs.
[11:45:15] <chromas> Kick it to the curb, girlfriend!
[11:46:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd be in the NFL if i could do that. curb's like a hundred yards off
[12:12:08] <c0lo> Runaway's age raises to almost certainty (for any practical purposes) the probability he's no longer gendered, FatPhil
[12:12:26] <Ingar> not sure about that
[12:12:43] <Ingar> my grandpa at 80 yrs had more women han I could count
[12:13:01] <c0lo> Were I to post this on #shitlord, I'd say he's ceratin the dick is only for pissing
[12:13:55] <FatPhil> so to make up for the lack of a gender, he's adopted a fake agenda.
[12:13:57] <c0lo> Stiff toungue, eh, Ingar :grin:
[12:14:24] <c0lo> s/toungue/tongue/
[12:14:24] <SedBot> <c0lo> Stiff tongue, eh, Ingar :grin:
[12:15:45] <c0lo> FatPhil, I don't know the limits of adoption laws in Texarkana
[12:15:53] <Ingar> knight in the order of the cunnilinguistics
[12:16:47] <Ingar> Talk the Talk
[12:19:08] <c0lo> Runaway's protege raped bail, faux news says https://www.fox6now.com
[12:19:10] <systemd> ^ 03Kenosha County DA seeks arrest of Kyle Rittenhouse, higher bond
[12:23:47] <c0lo> Know your rights! https://edition.cnn.com
[12:23:50] <systemd> ^ 03'QAnon Shaman' rioter should be given organic food while in jail, judge says
[12:37:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Food Sticks To Nonstick Frying Pans - https://sylnt.us - sticky-situation
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[12:56:51] <c0lo> https://www.politico.com
[12:56:51] <systemd> ^ 03Pentagon: Trump administration laid groundwork for Guantanamo vaccinations
[12:58:41] <FatPhil> fuck me, that Q Shaman is a right old snowflake!
[12:59:40] <AzumaHazuki> isn't he though? :D
[12:59:56] <AzumaHazuki> i figured out why he has horns: he's a lulzcow. and also a cuck hurr :v
[13:00:05] <AzumaHazuki> (cornuto = cuckold, "horned one")
[13:08:58] <FatPhil> c0lo: wooop wooop! Looks like Oz is a good venue for Estonian tennis players presently!
[13:27:12] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:27:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5484
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[13:45:53] <c0lo> https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:47:20] <AzumaHazuki> hah! yeah, the Q Cucks Clan ought to all be in prison. IMO the reason they're not is a large chunk of the GOP is ideologically aligned
[13:48:49] <FatPhil> you mean in cloud cuckoo land?
[13:49:07] <AzumaHazuki> no, i mean they are cucks, in the very sense they use the term about other people
[13:49:31] <AzumaHazuki> Q Cucks Clan sounds a bit like Ku Klux Klan, ye ken :v
[13:49:49] <FatPhil> I got that reference, yes.
[13:51:09] <c0lo> FatPhil, the real deal starts next Monday. Otherwise, we only had 2 new cases of Covid yesterday and went back to level 3 (masks on streets, no more than 100 at a public event - except Aopen - etc). The contact tracers went overdrive, intensive testing around the "cluster".
[13:53:53] <c0lo> (funny thing. The person that got sick and carried it at home caught it in his last day of contract in a quarantine hotel. until then, he was tested everyday, but not after his contract expired. 'cause, why would his employer spend extra $20?)
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[13:56:40] <FatPhil> Our #1 was on the flight with the case so had to do hard quarantine, our #2 did the not-really-quarantine hotelling as she was on a different flight.
[13:58:31] <c0lo> I think I'll invade Hawaii, seems safe https://pbs.twimg.com
[13:59:38] <requerdanos> ironically, the last ones to invade Hawaii were... America
[14:02:06] <c0lo> I hope they got their fleet out of Pearl Harbour, I'd hate to ruin their toys again.
[14:02:56] <c0lo> Hope you're Ok, AzumaHazuki https://twitter.com
[14:02:57] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[14:03:18] <FatPhil> Erm, Japanese, surely? Pearl Harbor, and all that jazz.
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[14:04:20] <c0lo> (well, the Japanase *tried*. But sorta failed to actually invade)
[14:04:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> "until then, he was tested everyday, but not after his contract expired. 'cause, why would his employer spend extra $20?"
[14:05:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> can you spot the factual error?
[14:05:22] <FatPhil> So Minnesota's fine to invade? Looks like South Carolina's available too.
[14:05:28] <boru> Even without guns, I think the USA would be difficult to invade short of a coastal enclave; it's too large a land mass. I don't think it can be effectively governed even now.
[14:05:53] <boru> By federal level, that is. State-level seems more reasonable.
[14:06:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, s'why the feds were supposed to be so limited in power. see #10A
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[14:06:37] <boru> Most of the farmland is away from the coasts, also.
[14:06:39] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, go take an extra coffee for me and stop playing the pedantic
[14:07:02] <c0lo> s/pedantic/pedant/
[14:07:02] <SedBot> <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, go take an extra coffee for me and stop playing the pedant
[14:07:10] <boru> Bloody feds. Always up to no good.
[14:07:13] <FatPhil> I reckon a brutal dictatorship could, after serious enough imposed famine, slap the whole country, and the remaining 100M inhabitants, into some kind of order.
[14:07:30] <boru> Well, it sort of worked for the USSR when the communists got into power.
[14:07:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, *former* employer. former employers have very few obligations of any sort to former employees
[14:07:40] <boru> Lenin's greatest weapon was famine.
[14:07:44] <FatPhil> china too
[14:07:46] <boru> Indeed.
[14:08:17] <FatPhil> though famine was more Stalin's active tool than Lenin's.
[14:08:29] <boru> The Ukraine would beg to differ.
[14:08:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that whole executing the farmers thing was brilliant
[14:09:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> kill everyone who's good at producing food. what could possibly go wrong?
[14:09:08] <c0lo> The govt (us/taxes) pays for those hotels to keep the repats with Covid isolated from the rest of population. Getting one infection out of the quarantine is a failure.
[14:09:17] <boru> Indeed, TMB! Who'd have thought!
[14:09:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, may well be but not because he was an employee
[14:10:35] <FatPhil> boru: Hadn't Lenin been dead a decade by the time the Holodomor got underway
[14:10:38] <c0lo> Told ya to stop playing the pedant, di'n't I?
[14:10:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're currently giving that a go over here but with all employers who aren't major donors instead of just farmers
[14:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> make better arguments then
[14:11:20] <boru> That wasn't the only famine that Ukraine had experienced.
[14:12:04] * TheMightyBuzzard is like steroids for competitive arguers
[14:12:26] <c0lo> The contracting company took the obligation to *keep all infections on site*. I don't care the guy was no longer their employee, they let one case get out.
[14:13:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'fair but you let bad data slip in and reduce the effectiveness of your argument
[14:13:35] <FatPhil> But it was the biggest, and it was Stalin's, and it was his active tool. I stand by my previous statement.
[14:14:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[14:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i'm kinda impressed with the whole coronaids virus. pretty durable for something made in china.
[14:15:37] <FatPhil> the lead in the paint lasts a while too
[14:16:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i should probably go shoot the ac ducts while i'm painting today so i don't have to paint again quite as soon
[14:16:54] <boru> Well, yes, it was a greater famine, I'm not detracting from that, just that famine was as much a weapon to Lenin as it was Stalin.
[14:17:18] <boru> The Bolsheviks actively confiscated food from peasants in the region under his orders.
[14:19:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... site messages are supposed to last two weeks. something screwy's going on.
[14:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> only noticed cause i couldn't be arsed to check mine for the past several days. laziness as a debugging tool ftw
[14:20:39] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, I wasn't making any argument. Just telling a funny thing.
[14:21:01] <c0lo> Like in QA, you add the new bug to a regression test case.
[14:21:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> humor, ar ar?
[14:21:44] <c0lo> Go brew yerself a coffee and stop jerking.
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[14:36:13] <c0lo> "Four conspiracy theorists marched into the Oval Office". That's gotta be good! https://www.axios.com
[14:37:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> is that one of them "guy walks into a bar" jokes?
[14:44:15] <Ingar> are they finally going to explain what happened to buildling 7 ?
[14:44:25] <Ingar> *building
[14:45:11] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:45:16] <FatPhil> brought down by the contrails
[14:45:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ain't gonna bother reading unless it's funny
[14:51:44] <c0lo> Yes, it's funny.
[14:52:43] <c0lo> Finally Herschmann had enough. "Why the fuck do you keep standing up and screaming at me?" he shot back at Flynn. "If you want to come over here, come over here. If not, sit your ass down." Flynn sat back down.
[14:52:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, well that's a fish of another color
[14:54:35] <FatPhil> c0lo: if that axios story is even 1/4 true it's bloody hilarious, and hilarity expands exponentially the truer it is.
[14:59:07] <boru> I'd have thought they'd have made it illegal to question what was reported to have happened to building 7 by now. Isn't that White Supremacist Hate Speech™?
[15:00:23] <c0lo> It's almost too good to be true, but it's credible, FatPhil. Given that it's inconsequential one way or the other, makes a good reading.
[15:01:02] <FatPhil> I think even my farts have been declared white supremacist hate speech now.
[15:01:10] <boru> You nazi!
[15:01:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, no, farts are rape. which is worse than being a white supremacist.
[15:01:51] <boru> Your farts should be more diverse and sensitive to other farts' feelings.
[15:01:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g fart rape
[15:01:56] <MrPlow> https://www.snopes.com - "Oct 18, 2019 ... FART RAPE: HOW CRAZY ARE FEMINISTS? “By farting louder the man is using passive aggressive violence to position himself as dominant, ..."
[15:02:05] <boru> JFC.
[15:02:15] <FatPhil> yeah, I remember that one!
[15:02:39] * FatPhil looks around for the nearest clown nose to honk
[15:02:53] <boru> I'll take a summary, please. I'm not going to load that URL.
[15:03:01] <c0lo> It seems that's the last piece of an entire series. I wonder if the others are equally good https://www.axios.com
[15:03:02] <systemd> ^ 03Off the rails: Episode library
[15:03:05] <boru> Actually, no. I don't need a summary.
[15:03:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> snopes lies again! i read a paper from a proper feminist about that shit years ago.
[15:03:38] <FatPhil> that leader line says all you need to know
[15:03:47] <FatPhil> stop that, Buzz - reading is white supremacy!
[15:03:54] <c0lo> boru, indeed you don't need a summary, I already provided it: "Four conspiracy theorists marched into the Oval Office"
[15:04:17] <boru> Ah, Snopes. Interesting group, that bunch. Isn't it run by some guy and his hooker girlfriend, or some such?
[15:04:33] <boru> c0lo; I meant the "fart rape" thing.
[15:04:43] <boru> Just when I thought I had heard it all.
[15:04:52] <c0lo> If the guy has a hooker as a g/f, he has my respects.
[15:05:08] <boru> Pays the bills, I guess.
[15:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> capitalism++
[15:07:11] <Bender> karma - capitalism: 1
[15:07:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Reportedly Teams With Kia to Produce Apple Car - https://sylnt.us - control-with-a-macbook-wheel
[15:08:30] <Bytram> CAPITALISM++
[15:08:30] <Bender> karma - capitalism: 2
[15:08:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right, it's apple. *of course* they want a shitty little car that's going to fall apart within five years.
[15:08:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram++
[15:08:42] <Bender> karma - bytram: 155
[15:08:47] <boru> Bytram++ clever
[15:08:47] <Bender> karma - bytram: 156
[15:08:47] <Bytram> =)
[15:08:54] <requerdanos> car automatically slows down to reduce battery drain?
[15:09:12] <boru> Also non-user-serviceable.
[15:09:27] <boru> You need to drive it back to crapple to be fixed.
[15:09:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't even change the battery
[15:09:48] <boru> icar sounds sufficiently like a child's toy to be appropriate.
[15:10:08] <boru> iCar 6+ -- for ages 6 and up!
[15:10:31] <Bytram> As compared to an Android/Google/Alphabet car that only has a 3 year warranty and then the whole thing gets discontinued after two years?
[15:10:31] <c0lo> majusculism++
[15:10:31] <Bender> karma - majusculism: 1
[15:10:54] <boru> We can do better than adroid for that.
[15:11:28] <Bytram> how so?
[15:11:31] <boru> Actually, I think I may even have a picture which more or less nails a google/android car. One moment until I find it.
[15:11:34] <c0lo> holdint it wrong and rounded corners are patented.
[15:12:01] <c0lo> s/holdint/holding/
[15:12:02] <SedBot> <c0lo> holding it wrong and rounded corners are patented.
[15:13:03] <AzumaHazuki> so, question...on taco night, am i raping myself?
[15:14:48] <FatPhil> depends on who wears the fartin' trousers in your household
[15:14:49] <boru> Feh, silly IPFS to IRC gateway. Another few moments...
[15:15:52] <AzumaHazuki> all trousers are farting trousers on taco night
[15:16:11] <FatPhil> c0lo: I think my favourite quote in the article is the remarkably simple "What are you, three years old?".
[15:20:31] <boru> Bytram; I give up. It was a photo of the tesla dashboard with an error saying "Software update required. Unable to start car."
[15:21:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit! we lost ~define
[15:21:37] <boru> Fell into the low pass filter, did it?
[15:21:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> died with exec
[15:22:33] <boru> Yeah, that's what I meant, I wasn't trying to make a signal processing joke about the frequency domain or anything like that.
[15:22:39] <Bytram> boru: Makes sense, actually. If there is an update that would disable operation of car while running, I know *I* would prefer it to do the update while stationary and not running.
[15:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, grep the logs in ~sylnt on beryllium and give systemd a =define function
[15:25:28] <FatPhil> c0lo: can you work out how to get the audio podcasts of that series? youtube-dl fails to find any downloadable media on any of the pages I've tried so far.
[15:37:06] <Bytram> FatPhil: I enabled a few domains for the AMP pages but could not see any media offered. It seems there are transcripts for each, so maybe a wget will get those for you? Wish I could help more.
[15:38:28] <FatPhil> I do have times to read, such as when I can't get off to sleep, so it's no disaster. I shall bookmark the index page on my phone and stretch it out over the coming week or so.
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[15:43:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> well shit, i fucked around and let myself get distracted too long this morning. used up almost all my paining time.
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[15:47:52] <c0lo> FatPhil, published weekly, as of today covering only the first 3 episodes on https://www.axios.com
[15:47:53] <systemd> ^ 03How It Happened - Podcasts - Axios
[15:48:45] <c0lo> (they may actually have them all for subscribers)
[15:51:31] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, big mistake. Squeezing all the pain you can get from the allocated time should be one's utmost priority.
[15:54:09] <FatPhil> ooooh - more clicky clicky found: https://feeds.megaphone.fm
[15:54:10] <systemd> ^ 03How It Happened
[15:55:16] <FatPhil> and ytdl copes with that
[16:04:21] <c0lo> I imagine if this series were to trend on Twitter, it would make Trump fall from the pedestal and raise Flyn&Powell as the "prophets
[16:05:08] <c0lo> (ctnd) of the QAnon"
[16:06:52] <c0lo> It shows Trump as a petulant child, not somebody who knows what to do.
[16:09:23] <FatPhil> I think it was back in 2016 that I first said "he's not deliberately [whatever negative trait others were accusing him of], he's just a 7-year-old child", which I utilised a hundred times before his inauguration.
[16:09:26] <c0lo> A thing is clear, what Biden&team is doing now - ignoring Trump and focusing on what they want to do - is correct. Anything else, impeachment included, is just noise.
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[16:15:50] <c0lo> What I find exceptional is how the thing arranged themselves to transform the 7yo-child-Trump into evil-incarnate-Trump for the outsiders. Emergent behaviour, in which the interest of the media, 4/8chan keks (QAnon), the low education of Trump's base, the pandemic and whatever else converged into the whole brouhaha.
[16:16:43] <FatPhil> It's just simplification, turning things onto a cartoon for those with a short attention span.
[16:17:45] <c0lo> Unclear what exactly is just simplification, can you clarify pls?
[16:19:02] <FatPhil> on one side, simplification to "evil-incarnate-Trump"
[16:19:22] <FatPhil> on the other side, simplification to "God-Emperor Trump"
[16:23:13] <c0lo> Oh, yes, I'm sure it is. Appart from the narcissism trait, Trump is absolutelly chaotic, his only "talent" is to grab an opportunity from the chaos and run with it, for better or worse. He's not even a master of picking the best opportunity, just a mediocre grab-anything.
[16:26:06] <c0lo> It's just the "perfect storm" conditions of the last half an year or so that *exponentially* amplified everything.
[16:29:01] <FatPhil> are you sure it was e^x? I think it was more like x^7.
[16:29:20] <FatPhil> ^^^ very clever joke - give me strokes
[16:36:25] <c0lo> More like {e^x | 1 <= x <= 7}, with a total collapse at the upper limit of the interval.
[16:43:49] <FatPhil> It was a joke on "septic".
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[17:19:30] <c0lo> FatPhil++ got it now
[17:19:30] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 102
[17:35:35] <c0lo> https://edition.cnn.com
[17:35:38] <systemd> ^ 03House Republicans vote to keep Liz Cheney in leadership after she defends her impeachment vote
[17:37:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hypnotic Suggestions Can Make a Complex Task Easy by Helping Vision Fill in the Blanks - https://sylnt.us - seeing-what's-not-there-is-believing-it's-there
[18:56:59] <FatPhil> congrats - you're in a very special 0.00000005% of the world's population that does!
[19:14:19] <c0lo> This just in.
[19:14:27] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[19:14:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Voting Company Smartmatic Sues Fox News, Giuliani, Sidney Powell for Defamation" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:15:02] <c0lo> "The $2.7 billion lawsuit was filed Thursday in New York state court against Fox Corporation—Fox News’ parent company—and media personalities Maria Bartiromo, Lou Dobbs and Jeanine Pirro, as well as attorneys Giuliani and Powell."
[19:18:03] <c0lo> FatPhil, I have fond memories of x^6
[19:38:24] <FatPhil> I hope it didn't involve ticks
[19:47:21] <c0lo> In general, it was making me tick. And some tickles, occasionally. Otherwise, entomophillia was and isn't included in the set of my kinks.
[19:48:32] <chromas> takes a tick and keeps on lickin'
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[20:06:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Quick Choice Might be a Choice-Overload Avoidance Strategy - https://sylnt.us - decisions-decisions
[20:08:47] <chromas> Ah, new NCommander vidya, finally
[20:08:54] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[20:08:56] <systemd> ^ 03Digital Forensics And Archaeology Against A 486 // (Intel Professional Workstation Part 3)
[22:26:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Record-Breaking Roller Coaster Will Travel More than 155 Miles per Hour - https://sylnt.us - the-ride-of-your-life || New Ink Jet Approach Offers Simple Way To Print Microdisk Lasers For Biosensing - https://sylnt.us
[23:57:49] <Bytram> NCommander++
[23:57:49] <Bender> karma - ncommander: 121