#soylent | Logs for 2021-02-02
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[00:20:44] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: you in Texarkana? (/me shows off his extensive knowledge of all things Texas/Arkansas)
[00:24:45] * Runaway1956 is near enough to Texarkana
[00:25:03] <Runaway1956> Some people would say that it is almost Texas.
[00:26:12] <Fnord666> Fun fact I learned today. Fir trees can grow inside a human lung!
[00:26:34] <Runaway1956> Yes, but, can you grow a lung inside of a fir tree?
[00:26:35] <FatPhil> How do state laws work in Texarkana? Is everything coordinated, or does half of the town have different speed limits, sales tax, firework laws, concealed carry laws, bottle deposits, etc. etc.
[00:27:11] <Runaway1956> Texas law applies to the Texas side of town, Arkansas law applies on the east side of town.
[00:27:19] <Fnord666> Runaway1956: No known examples shave been found so far
[00:27:33] <FatPhil> but do they differ much?
[00:27:47] <Fnord666> Is St. Louis the same way?
[00:27:53] <Runaway1956> In practice? No.
[00:28:16] <Runaway1956> I'm far less familiar with St. Louis, but I presume that things work the same way there.
[00:28:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Compelling Evidence Of Neutrino Process Opens Physics Possibilities - https://sylnt.us - tiny-ping-pong-ball
[00:28:32] <Runaway1956> When you cross a state line, you have entered a new jurisdiction
[00:30:58] <AzumaHazuki> Texarkana lol
[00:31:34] * FatPhil finds a post-office that spans the state lines
[00:32:44] <Runaway1956> Yes, it sits right there on the state line, and State Line Avenue splits into a circle around it.
[00:33:03] <FatPhil> and a police station and a railway station
[00:33:33] <Runaway1956> That post office building has been on and off the chopping block repeatedly - it's expensive to maintain, but almost no one is willing to give it up
[00:33:57] <FatPhil> is it a game of dare? neither state wants to back down first, even if both want to back down?
[00:34:24] <Runaway1956> Over the post office? It isn't the states, so much as the city, and local residents
[00:34:50] <FatPhil> Ah, OK
[00:34:52] <Runaway1956> It's the USPS that wants to get rid of it, not anyone else
[00:36:12] <Runaway1956> You want to know Texarkana? I can sum downtown up in one word: dismal.
[00:36:19] <Bytram> requerdanos: Good one! Except for many (most?) of those years, pennies were also minted in "D"enver and "S"an Francisco.
[00:36:34] <Bytram> =w texarkana
[00:36:35] <systemd> Texarkana is a city in Bowie County, Texas, United States, located in the Ark-La-Tex region. Located approximately 180 miles (290 km) from Dallas, Texarkana - https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:36:39] <Runaway1956> It died before I ever arrived in the area, but hasn't admitted it yet
[00:36:56] <FatPhil> Runaway1956++ cool story bro
[00:36:56] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 26
[00:37:27] <Runaway1956> Actually, it is two distinct cities Bytram - Txka Tx has it's own city council, and Txka Ar has one as well
[00:37:45] <Runaway1956> Two different county jails, etc ad nauseum
[00:38:16] <chromas> Sounds like they need to post offices
[00:38:26] * chromas finds a spare w
[00:38:35] <Runaway1956> There are at least five post office buildings -
[00:39:12] <Runaway1956> I think there might be seven now, after Wake Village was absorbed into the city.
[00:40:18] <FatPhil> And now Txka is more woke?
[00:40:40] <chromas> only if you're trolling too fast
[00:40:41] <Runaway1956> LMAO - no, I don't think so - buncha conservative rednecks mostly
[00:44:41] <c0lo> chromas, what is happening with the stupid bot?
[00:44:53] <chromas> probably got the covid
[00:45:47] <c0lo> Too bad. No =submit.
[00:46:03] <Bytram> which one? ISTU there are quite a few variants out there... maybe it needs [a | to be] shot?
[00:46:10] <Bytram> =blame
[00:46:11] * systemd points at Bytram
[00:46:15] <chromas> I shot the robot
[00:46:20] <chromas> (but I did not shoot the deputy)
[00:46:21] <Bytram> c0lo: it's up and running
[00:46:30] <Bytram> chromas++
[00:46:30] <Bender> karma - chromas: 330
[00:46:37] <Runaway1956> Better catch it before it escapes
[00:46:43] <chromas> Bytram: it's increasingly failing to grab titles lately
[00:46:54] <chromas> and submit doesn't work on more sites now
[00:46:55] * Runaway1956 watches the movie 'Running Bot' again
[00:48:00] <Bytram> Hmmm, could it be that thing that Google came up with for authoring web sites about a year or two ago?
[00:48:34] <chromas> Dunno what that is but a regular curl call seems to work fine
[00:48:45] <Bytram> I'm tempted to say SPDY, but that was earlier, IIRC
[00:49:18] <chromas> That was an http replacement
[00:49:32] <chromas> Maybe AMP? Pretty old too but it's not that
[00:50:20] <Bytram> nodnod, so you have a web page, but how well-formed and complete is it? <html><head><script src="...."?</script></html>
[00:50:40] <Bytram> Yep, AMP is what I was thinking of, tx!
[00:55:44] <FatPhil> I think they also invented the misuse of fragment identifiers to tell the javashite on the page which bit of actual content to load.
[00:56:16] <FatPhil> google is for the web exactly as distructive as it was for news (as in usenet)
[00:57:23] <c0lo> =yt tDjQ8ivwbCU
[00:57:24] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Bill Gates Warns The "Next Pandemic" Is Coming After Covid-19 - And How To Stop It | MSNBC (22:03; 976,942 views; 👍12,730 👎4,755)
[00:57:37] <c0lo> 10K+ comments in 4 days
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[00:59:21] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.huffpost.com from the %$@#-you-didn't-get-mine dept.
[00:59:53] <AzumaHazuki> see this is why you go with openrc instead of systemd
[01:00:12] <chromas> teste https://www.huffpost.com
[01:00:21] <chromas> fpos
[01:00:24] <chromas> =threadcount
[01:00:24] <systemd> 2
[01:02:21] <c0lo> the testes don't seem to work.
[01:02:23] <Bytram> =help
[01:02:23] <systemd> acontribute, asub, asubmit, cite, contribute, doi, rehashctl, sedctl, sub, submit
[01:02:43] <Bytram> !grap c0lo
[01:03:09] <c0lo> Don't grab my testes, bytram.
[01:03:54] <c0lo> s/grab/grap/
[01:03:54] <SedBot> <c0lo> Don't grap my testes, bytram.
[01:04:05] <Bytram> =g tsetse
[01:04:06] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Tsetse fly - Wikipedia
[01:04:19] <AzumaHazuki> =asub https://www.huffpost.com from the %$@#-you-didn't-get-mine dept.
[01:04:19] <c0lo> =g grap
[01:04:20] <systemd> https://www.genecards.org - GRAP Gene - GeneCards | GRAP Protein | GRAP Antibody
[01:06:24] <c0lo> #submit https://www.huffpost.com from the %$@#-you-didn't-get-mine dept
[01:06:25] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[01:06:40] <AzumaHazuki> ah, so it needs a # now instead of an =?
[01:06:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[01:06:51] <c0lo> 'nother bot
[01:07:20] <c0lo> systemd =, mrplow #
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[01:09:53] <chromas> teste https://www.huffpost.com
[01:10:05] <chromas> #smake bots
[01:10:05] * MrPlow smakes bots upside the head with janrinok's tooth
[01:10:13] <Runaway1956> Does systemd really have the BOVID?
[01:10:14] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: there's a menagerie of bots, each with their own prefix char
[01:10:26] <Bytram> FWIW, MrPlow has a minimal submission (submitter, story link, and a sentence or two); systemd attempts to scrape and submit all the text from the story
[01:11:21] <AzumaHazuki> ahaaa, okay. which do you prefer?
[01:11:57] <Runaway1956> MrPlow makes editors work their fingers to the nib, so we prefer him.
[01:12:05] <chromas> They both do
[01:12:18] <chromas> one bot makes subs that need more stuff added, while the other makes subs that needs stuff removed
[01:12:40] * Runaway1956 would think it easier to removes stuff
[01:12:44] <chromas> But it looks like MrPlow's more reliable at the moment
[01:13:16] <Runaway1956> We probably just need more bots
[01:14:07] <Runaway1956> preferably some quantum AI bots
[01:14:20] <chromas> systemd is quantum
[01:14:37] <Runaway1956> but lacks intelligence?
[01:14:41] <chromas> you don't know whether it can sub or not until it already hasn't
[01:14:54] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[01:16:02] <chromas> scraping from the command line, it plays gorillas.bas for awhile then throws a range violation
[01:16:50] <Bytram> chromas: Hmmm, if systemd discovers a potential sub is only one paragraph, could it then try again with storybot?
[01:17:02] <chromas> it could
[01:29:24] <Bytram> /invite systemd #dev
[01:38:46] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[01:39:02] <Bytram> ~titles on
[01:39:08] <Bytram> ~titleson
[01:39:11] <Bytram> ~titles
[01:39:16] <chromas> exec = ded
[01:39:48] <Bytram> 0xDEAD ??
[01:41:03] <Bytram> 0xDEAD == 57005
[01:41:25] <Bytram> factor 8008135
[01:44:47] <chromas> seems like squid's borked. it does nothing for over a minute before fetching the page
[01:44:51] <FatPhil> 5 * 1601627
[01:45:10] <Bytram> yes, I was in the wrong window
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[01:45:33] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[01:45:34] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[01:45:45] <chromas> teste https://www.huffpost.com
[01:45:47] <systemd> ^ 03Furry Horned 'Shaman' Who Stormed Capitol Now Willing To Testify Against Trump ( https://www.huffpost.com )
[01:45:49] <chromas> :D
[01:45:57] <chromas> took squid out of the loop
[01:46:39] <AzumaHazuki> ...squid?
[01:46:49] <chromas> the proxy
[01:46:53] <AzumaHazuki> ah. odd
[01:47:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Compelling Evidence of Neutrino Process Opens Physics Possibilities - https://sylnt.us - tiny-ping-pong-ball
[01:47:50] <chromas> =asub https://www.theverge.com
[01:47:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Verge" (1p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:48:05] <chromas> well at least it tried
[01:48:33] <FatPhil> it's trying, that's for sure
[01:51:32] <Bytram> break time
[01:57:08] <AzumaHazuki> bleh, i think i may be a bit hypothyroid...
[01:57:30] <AzumaHazuki> started using some iodized salt yesterday and today and i already feel weirdly better, so hopefully this'll fix it
[02:05:50] <c0lo> https://twitter.com
[02:05:50] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[02:10:03] <Bytram> =g GME
[02:10:03] <systemd> https://finance.yahoo.com - GameStop Corporation (GME) Stock Price, News, Quote & History ...;
[02:10:33] <Bytram> =g GME -yahoo
[02:10:34] <systemd> https://seekingalpha.com - GameStop Corp. (GME) Stock Price Today, Quote & News | Seeking ...;
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[02:55:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon’s Ring Now Reportedly Partners With More Than 2,000 US Police and Fire Departments - https://sylnt.us - nothing-to-hide
[02:57:00] <c0lo> =submit https://www.euronews.com
[02:57:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists Have Taught Spinach to Send Emails" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:13:10] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[03:13:10] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[03:13:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://torrentfreak.com
[03:13:36] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[03:14:01] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:27:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Superfast Charging Batteries Can Help Sell the Transition to Electric Vehicles - https://sylnt.us - amazing-claims
[05:41:08] <chromas> https://gizmodo.com
[05:41:10] <systemd> ^ 03The ‘Time Has Come’ to Extend Human Embryo Research From 14 to 28 Days, Argues Bioethicist
[05:41:14] <chromas> oi it's the 28 days again
[05:47:51] <chromas> moar distros! https://www.zdnet.com
[05:47:54] <systemd> ^ 03AlmaLinux, the CentOS Linux replacement, beta is out
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[05:58:25] <c0lo> =submit https://www.desmoinesregister.com
[05:58:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'School Choice'? Iowa GOP Sets Out to Siphon Money From Public Schools" (27p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:59:11] <chromas> it's okay; they're american schools. it's not like they were gonna learn anything anyhow
[06:00:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[06:00:35] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Six Big Problems With Education Savings Accounts" (22p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:02:07] <c0lo> (I'm lazy... errr, busy... but the above should be merged. Maybe if I narrow the bug I'm hunting, I'll do it. If not... so be it)
[06:29:56] <c0lo> =submit https://www.politico.com
[06:29:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘It’s a Mess’: Biden’s First 10 Days Dominated by Vaccine Mysteries" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:32:21] <c0lo> =submit biiig-oopsie https://apnews.com
[06:32:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Data Breach Compromised Info of 1M-plus Who Sought Benefits" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[06:35:59] <SoyCow7066> =asub https://www.cnn.com
[06:36:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03These 'Vaccine Hunters' are Getting Their Shots Ahead of Schedule by Gaming the System" (5p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:36:22] <SoyCow7066> =asub https://phys.org
[06:36:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Physics of Snakeskin Sheds Light on Sidewinding" (26p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:36:36] <SoyCow7066> =asub https://www.space.com
[06:36:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Spacewalking Astronauts Complete a Space Station Battery Upgrade Years in the Making" (32p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:37:33] <c0lo> =submit utexas-says-masks-do-work-in-2021 https://www.pnas.org
[06:38:17] <chromas> bot says "-1"
[06:38:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03An Evidence Review of Face Masks Against COVID-19" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:38:32] <chromas> yay!
[06:38:45] * chromas still doesn't know where the "-1" comes from
[06:39:07] <c0lo> in - 2021 = -1
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[06:48:22] <c0lo> =submit meh https://www.forbes.com
[06:48:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Yes, Donald Trump is Still a Billionaire. That Makes His $750 Tax Payment Even More Scandalous" (65p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:48:58] <chromas> well how much did he earn last year though?
[06:50:11] <c0lo> Including the donations for election lawsuit?
[06:50:40] <chromas> No taxes on church donations
[06:50:55] * chromas prays to the mighty RedHat in the sky
[06:52:44] <c0lo> I don't know.
[06:55:38] <c0lo> Trump's post-mortem detailed autopsy report https://www.politico.com
[06:55:38] <systemd> ^ 03Trump pollster's campaign autopsy paints damning picture of defeat
[06:59:03] <c0lo> In brief, neither Zumi nor Runaway did trust Trump enough: "Trump’s biggest drop-off was among voters aged 18-29 and 65 and older"
[07:04:36] <c0lo> QAnon condemned https://twitter.com
[07:04:37] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[07:09:02] <FatPhil> as a ge-x-er, the idea that millennials and boomers are naive and suggestible comes as no surprise.
[07:46:40] <c0lo> https://www.ajc.com
[07:46:41] <systemd> ^ 03Tensions between Lin Wood and Mercer boil over
[07:50:16] <FatPhil> who's mercer? I know lin wood's gone proper rabbit hole
[07:58:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alphabet's Loon Failed to Bring Internet to the World -- What Went Wrong? - https://sylnt.us
[08:20:05] <c0lo> FAtPhil, Mercer University’s law school in Macon - Lyn had a lecture series, students want him and his name out.
[08:38:47] <FatPhil> ahahah!
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[09:48:25] <c0lo> https://www.rollingstone.com
[09:48:28] <systemd> ^ 03Pussy Riot Call for Release of Russian Political Prisoners With New Song 'Rage'
[09:48:40] <c0lo> ^ Classic punk
[09:50:48] <c0lo> Check it out https://www.reddit.com
[09:50:52] <systemd> ^ 03r/QAnonCasualties
[09:54:02] <FatPhil> the first casualty was what remained of 70 million microcephalics brains.
[09:57:27] <c0lo> What do you call this one, FatPhil: "I want a normal day with my dad where he doesn’t bring any Q, anti vax, anti trans, “snowflakes”, “liberal tears”, covid is a hoax, biden isn’t the president, nonsense."
[09:57:47] <FatPhil> "walk away"?
[09:58:28] <FatPhil> the second victim was the relatives of the microcephalics.
[09:59:06] <FatPhil> I contribute to a forum which acts as support for those relatives.
[09:59:38] <FatPhil> Some scary stories about how people have flipped.
[09:59:47] <FatPhil> I'm sure that reddit has more
[10:37:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oregon Law to Decriminalize all Drugs Goes into Effect, Offering Addicts Rehab Instead of Prison - https://sylnt.us - what-could-possibly-go-wrong?
[10:53:39] <Ingar> actually feeling less flipped this week
[10:55:19] <Ingar> also interesting: our govt is now fixing the legislation to make the entire lockdown situation legal
[10:58:59] <FatPhil> we have a pretty freedom-loving constitution, and a lot of the things that the govt wanted to do were deemed unconstitutional.
[11:01:08] <FatPhil> or "potentially unconsititutional", so they erred on the side of caution to protect 101 politicians from criticism, rather than erring on the side of caution to help 1.3 million members of the public avoid spreading a disease that's killed 2 million worldwide.
[11:35:55] <Ingar> almost a fourth af the number of people that die of hunger every year
[11:37:32] <chromas> How many died of hunger this year?
[11:41:54] <FatPhil> whataboutism detected
[11:42:13] <chromas> so
[11:42:42] <FatPhil> needle pulling thread
[11:43:21] <chromas> no that's planting seeds; you're thinking of sow
[11:43:39] * chromas bacons
[11:49:12] <Ingar> estimated 9 million/year
[11:49:19] <FatPhil> And our *entire* ICD-10 E00-E99 is less than the excess deaths last year.
[11:49:43] <FatPhil> Where's that figure for?
[11:50:52] <Ingar> dang, 7 million, my apologies
[11:51:21] <Ingar> oh 7 or 9 depending on the src
[11:54:29] <FatPhil> Ah, if you subtract E10-E14, the rest of E00-E99 is 1/10th of the excess deaths last year. Not four times, a tenth, big difference.
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[12:49:55] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[12:49:55] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[12:49:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:49:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5480
[12:50:13] <requerdanos> coffee, that delicious vegetarian soup
[12:50:30] <AzumaHazuki> coffee, tea, it's all good <3
[12:51:09] <requerdanos> tea, that other delicious vegetarian soup
[12:51:22] <AzumaHazuki> irish breakfast tea is wonderful. the key is to brew it so strong that when you stick the spoon in it grabs it and goes "yer what, mate? think yer hard? think yer a man do ye?!"
[12:51:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> requerdanos, not if you put heavy cream in it
[12:51:52] <requerdanos> um, no animals die to provide the cream, thus vegetarian
[12:52:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> requerdanos, maybe the way YOU do it...
[12:54:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i used to prefer my coffee like that. and drank the stuff until i could see half an hour into the future and 20% farther into infrared. my kidneys riot if i do that nowadays though. but the flavor's better when you can actually taste the subtle stuff, so mixed bag.
[12:57:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nissan Gives Up Root Shell Thanks To Hacked USB Drive - https://sylnt.us
[13:02:56] <FatPhil> like music and the compression wars
[13:08:35] <FatPhil> However, I will not be moved on the topic of guitar solo notes per second - more is better, even more is even better, best is when you have even more than even more, but to make it even better than that, add even MOAR!
[13:10:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, rebuttal: https://www.youtube.com and https://www.youtube.com
[13:10:02] <systemd> ^ 03Guns N' Roses - Sweet Child O' Mine (Official Music Video)
[13:10:04] <systemd> ^ 03Queen - We Will Rock You (Official Video)
[13:10:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> or, you know, anything bb king ever played, ever
[13:12:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> neato. facebook's now assisted in a military coup of a democratically elected government by banning officials of said government.
[13:16:03] <FatPhil> hahah - trolled you!
[13:16:27] <FatPhil> pretty much my favourite guitar piece of all time is https://www.youtube.com , which I claim "only has 4 notes".
[13:16:29] <systemd> ^ 03Gary Moore - The Supernatural (HQ) (Audio only)
[13:17:28] <FatPhil> fuck, shivers down my spine, and I'm only on the third note
[13:20:09] <requerdanos> More guitar notes: https://www.youtube.com
[13:20:11] <systemd> ^ 03Warmen - Beyond Abilities
[13:20:43] <FatPhil> RIP Alexi :(
[13:21:17] <FatPhil> I've lost more head hair in Alexi's machine head than any other guitarist's.
[13:21:58] <FatPhil> He liked standing at the front of the stage, I like standing in front of the stage, hairloss was inevitable.
[13:21:59] <Bytram> FatPhil: fast guitar solos are impressive... even moreso if they stay on-beat rather than straining to pack in as many picks as possible no matter the timing.
[13:22:09] <Bytram> =yt GpBo2XWjC-Y
[13:22:09] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Emerson, Lake & Palmer - Hoedown - Live In '73 (03:21; 273,906 views; 👍1,980 👎41)
[13:22:45] <Bytram> ^^^ Fast keyboards rather than guitar solo, but still mighty impressive
[13:23:04] <FatPhil> Yeah, I don't like it so much when the guitar line just turns into a finger exercise.
[13:23:35] <FatPhil> Then again, most of Liszt's oeuvre was finger exercises, but he was a cut above.
[13:27:12] <FatPhil> FIrst time I saw Alexi Laiho (the Warman guitarist) live was at a Chuck Schuldiner memorial gig, but he wasn't playing with his regular band, and most of his "improvised" solos were basically just regurgitated finger exercises. Saw him a few months later with CoB, and I forgave him immediately.
[13:28:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, TR is running off to most of the southern states for work here shortly, so ima take the morning off of church work. think i'll fix skittles here in a bit.
[13:29:07] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Whacha thinking of doing to skittles?
[13:29:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> making him not crash
[13:29:44] <Bytram> FatPhil: tx for that Garry Moore piece!
[13:29:56] <Bytram> obligatory:
[13:29:59] <Bytram> =blame
[13:29:59] * systemd points at Bytram
[13:30:22] <FatPhil> =yt Glinka Russlan and Lyudmila Overture
[13:30:23] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Russlan And Ludmilla (Overture) / Orchestra Of Mariinsky Theatre (04:34; 1,146,727 views; 👍6,946 👎205)
[13:30:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> need more caffeine and nicotine first though.
[13:31:01] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:31:01] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5481
[13:31:46] <FatPhil> Bytram: no problem - the whole album's great, if you like Peter Green's blues - he's actually using Green's old guitar on that album.
[13:33:24] <Bytram> requerdanos++ great recommendation
[13:33:24] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 21
[13:36:02] <FatPhil> from elsewhere: "Woh! I pasted a DOI into Google and it spat out the answer 6.9153773e-15"
[13:36:34] <Bytram> FatPhil: LOL!
[13:36:58] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[13:36:59] <systemd> ^ 03Today may finally be the day for Starship prototype SN9 to fly ( https://arstechnica.com )
[13:37:04] <FatPhil> I've asked for the DOI, so I can see if it's reproduceable
[13:38:42] <Bytram> FatPhil: Reproducible? Like... rabbits?
[13:38:47] <Bytram> ;)
[13:43:02] <FatPhil> well, one's fucked, and the other's, erm, fucked. so yeah.
[13:44:42] <requerdanos> Here is one with similar results, http://mr.crossref.org
[13:44:43] <systemd> ^ 03Current Links for doi: 10.4135/9781412963909
[13:44:59] <requerdanos> Google tells me confidently "1.0646212e-12"
[13:58:55] <Bytram> requerdanos: interesting. tx!
[14:00:09] <requerdanos> A similar result could do doubt be worked out by hand, assuming that the slash character is read as "divided by"
[14:00:16] <requerdanos> *no doubt
[14:01:07] <FatPhil> I usually access google via an anonymising proxy, and it doesn't include the "smart" behaviour like doing maths.
[14:01:45] <Bytram> =g Topic: Starship SN9 Test Launch Campaign - UPDATES
[14:01:46] <systemd> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com - Starship SN9 Test Launch Campaign - UPDATES
[14:06:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[14:06:56] <systemd> ^ 03Starship - We Built This City (Official Music Video)
[14:23:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, skittles = fixed
[14:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> say !rss-list all you like
[14:42:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ A quick, ad hoc test has not revealed any problems... YAY!
[14:42:26] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 413
[14:42:36] <Bytram> TYVM!
[14:43:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> yarp
[14:50:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: while you're at it... can I request a minor update to MrPlow wrt story submissions?
[14:51:00] <Bytram> pls meet me in #dev
[14:51:22] <requerdanos> heh it's so minor that it rates its own venue
[14:53:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, almost certainly not for long, boring, and confusing reasons
[14:54:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> he currently cannot receive updates
[14:58:36] <Bytram> is for simple formatting change in what is output for a story submission. See #dev
[15:00:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know. but he currently cannot receive ANY updates
[15:00:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> reason is irrelevant. if he entirely broke, he'd just have to stay down.
[15:00:52] <Bytram> Oh, okay.
[15:01:42] <Bytram> For future reference, when repair/update is possible, pls make a note of change request in #dev? Obliged.
[15:01:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly it's because there's not room to build him on beryllium anymore and he won't build on any box not as ancient as beryllium until i update him to use libraries that use a modern ssl version.
[15:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> not sure what's hogging so much space and don't feel like spending forever hunting it down
[15:03:05] <requerdanos> `ncdu` is your friend
[15:03:55] <Bytram> =g ncdu
[15:03:56] <systemd> https://dev.yorhel.nl - NCurses Disk Usage
[15:04:03] <Bytram> =)
[15:04:08] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[15:04:08] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 22
[15:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't feel like building it from source. centos took down the repos for centos6, so no package management.
[15:04:59] <requerdanos> I wouldn't have predicted Centos' untimely demise, but here we are
[15:05:08] <AzumaHazuki> shit like this is why i stuck with gentoo
[15:05:35] <AzumaHazuki> at some point we may very well be facing a type of *nix apocalypse, and doing everything from source may be all that's left to us :(
[15:05:45] <requerdanos> I wouldn't predict gentoo's untimely demise either, so maybe you're next.
[15:06:09] <AzumaHazuki> then there's still void, artix, freebsd, openbsd, and if it comes to this, Linux From Scratch
[15:06:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, centos6 is ancient. it wasn't new when we started this place.
[15:06:47] <Bytram> Centos... is that like a hundred Mentos breath mints?
[15:07:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, breath mints for centipedes
[15:07:04] <AzumaHazuki> oh yeah, someone spilled a bottle of coke on the build server once. took out an entire small town
[15:07:21] <AzumaHazuki> smelled amazing for weeks though :D
[15:07:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, we're currently building a replacement box for it on the gentoo base. just haven't had time to get all the shat working yet.
[15:07:34] * Bytram chuckles
[15:07:55] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++
[15:07:55] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 414
[15:08:04] <AzumaHazuki> Gentoo is a giant pain in the ass, but i love it dearly anyway. it's a pain for all the right reasons if that makes sense
[15:08:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah but if you have one box acting as a binhost for all the rest, it's only a pain in the ass once.
[15:08:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> in theory anyway
[15:09:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> in practice each box usually manages a few minutes of ass pain regardless
[15:11:36] <FatPhil> breath mints are useless for centipedes - they breathe through pores. You'd nead breathmint dust!
[15:12:53] <Bytram> FatPhil: Soooo, what about... millipedes?
[15:13:49] <Bytram> or do they have some other im pede ment?
[15:13:55] <Bytram> ;)
[15:14:01] <Bytram> break time
[15:15:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> same. actually, think ima go do non-church-related work until nap time.
[15:26:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Shows that Shorter Movie Release Windows Boost Revenue, Not Piracy - https://sylnt.us
[15:29:19] <Runaway1956> Ooooh! I might actually see fiber before I'm too old and weak to sit in front of my computer!
[15:29:24] <Runaway1956> https://www.texarkanagazette.com
[15:29:25] <systemd> ^ 03REA will bring fiber net to Southwest Arkansas
[15:32:23] <Runaway1956> I see a complication that is not addressed in the article: Three different electric companies hold monopolies in the area
[15:33:00] <Runaway1956> Will the fiber be restricted to one, or to two of those monopolies, or will everyone get fiber?
[15:33:40] <Runaway1956> I may go into shock when I jump from 15 mb to gb internets!
[16:20:46] <Bytram> Runaway1956: (1) Check each utility's web site to see if they parroted the announcement (i.e. they're on board) or (2) Call each one and ask or (3) Just call your utility and ask them !! =)
[16:25:20] <Runaway1956> I may do so Bytram - but not this morning. Good ideas!
[16:25:48] <Bytram> HTH!
[16:25:50] <Bytram> https://www.aljazeera.com
[16:25:52] <systemd> ^ 03GameStop stock fizzles 80% from last week’s spectacular highs
[16:26:19] <Bytram> Short is NOW!!11!eleventy!!!
[16:26:25] <Bytram> Short it NOW!!11!eleventy!!!
[16:28:18] <Booga1> So, what I'm hearing is that it's a great time to buy, but Robinhood and several other stock brokerage firms won't let you.
[16:28:49] <Booga1> Some folks need some jail time for all their manipulation of the supposed "free market."
[16:29:04] <Bytram> Booga1: Read the article. It seems that RobinHood has loosened things up
[16:29:30] <Booga1> Sure, after they got their desired crash.
[16:31:07] <Bytram> "Tuesday’s drop came despite a loosening of restrictions on the amount of shares investors can buy using Robinhood Markets Inc. On Monday afternoon, the popular trading app started allowing users to purchase up to 20 shares of GameStop, up from a cap of one before the market opened."
[16:31:51] <Bytram> AIUI, RobinHood defaults to letting customers but stocks without cash on hand ...
[16:32:29] <Bytram> i.e. Instantly open an account and start trading immediately
[16:32:38] <Bytram> (could be mistaken)
[16:32:49] <Booga1> Any restrictions at all are pure market manipulation. If the little guy can't make the same transactions on one particular stock that they can on another, it's unquestionably market manipulation.
[16:32:55] <Bytram> that's buying on margin
[16:33:53] <Bytram> for interests of regulations and maintaining capital reserves, they needed to restrict additional, non-capitalized GME purchases
[16:33:55] <Booga1> There's a lot of people defending them for not letting people get in over their heads, but that's hindsight rationalization of the restrictions.
[16:34:39] <Booga1> Restriction on options and margins should be general and not specific to any particular stock.
[16:34:56] <Bytram> that's following the law (something-Dowd?) which limits exposure vs capital
[16:35:54] <Booga1> Then why were the short sellers allowed to short 140% of all stock ever issued for Gamestop? Seems like another case of "rules only apply to the little people."
[16:36:04] <Bytram> it's the net holding that RH had that put them over the limit. Since people were trying to but more GME, RH had to say "no" so as to maintain their capitalization
[16:36:29] <Bytram> Maybe there are more brokers than *just* RH?
[16:37:50] <Bytram> Bloomberg? Fidelity? Vanguard? They all had positions in the stock, too. Not just RH.
[16:38:36] <Booga1> Yes, there are and several also put in trade restrictions. It stinks so bad that "the market" couldn't allow the risks they put up front for every stock trade. They'll let the little guy go bankrupt but can't let the big firms lose to the little guy.
[16:40:43] <Booga1> They're also putting in some restrictions on financially solid companies like AMD: https://hothardware.com
[16:40:45] <systemd> ^ 03AMD Caught In WallStreetBets Drama As Shady Robinhood Dares To Limit Trading
[16:43:16] <Booga1> Gamestop is on the way down. They're a failing company and the shorts were theoretically a "safe" bet until this whole thing went live. However, that's how the market goes. It is not always rational or financially backed by reality. Nobody gives refunds to little guys who lose their shirts. Nobody stops the market from trading when Joe Schmo makes a bad pick.
[16:43:39] <Bytram> I can see how you see it that way, but I humbly disagree. Security laws and regulations are many and deep. And, sometimes, at seeming odds with each other. Devil is in the details. WSB thought they found a wrinkle, ran with it for a good run, and now it's over. Short interest has dropped below shares avail (was at 140%)
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[16:45:05] <Bytram> there are "circuit breakers" that get enacted for everyone when a stock's price exceeds certain pre-defined amounts
[16:45:34] <Bytram> ugh, gtg for a bit. nice chatting with you!
[16:46:58] <Booga1> WSB did find a wrinkle and those circuit breakers apply to every stock on every brokerage firm's trading limits. If that circuit breaker kicked in we would have heard about every brokerage halting the trades completely. So far as I am aware, the circuit breakers don't allow single stock trades or trades only in a single direction(sell in GME's case).
[16:52:48] <Booga1> Personally, I know I have no risk appetite for this stuff. I cannot afford to lose a few thousand on a roller coaster I can't control. I was never going to get on this ride, but seeing the manipulation in the open was disgusting.
[16:54:00] <Booga1> If the brokerages put the same rules in for their institutional investors it would still be bad, but fair. It's the blatent mistreatement of the small investor that irks me. Rules should be rules for all, not "one rule for me, another for thee."
[17:01:18] <Bytram> Agreed that investing rules should apply equally to all.
[17:02:01] <Bytram> fwiw: https://www.investors.com AND https://www.theverge.com
[17:02:01] <systemd> ^ 03Access to this page has been denied.
[17:02:03] <systemd> ^ 03Verge
[17:02:31] <Bytram> https://www.msn.com
[17:02:33] <systemd> ^ 03GameStop spikes 78% as retail-investor rebellion against short-sellers prompts trading halt
[17:03:57] <Bytram> Also, note that the "uptick rule" -- instituted following the Great Depression -- was in place until relatively recently (past 10-15 years, IIRC)
[17:04:05] <Bytram> =g "Uptick rule"
[17:04:06] <systemd> https://www.investopedia.com - Uptick Rule
[17:04:42] <Bytram> Like you, I don't have the funds or the stomach for such volatility.
[17:05:43] <Booga1> Indeed, there are quite a few things put in due to past crashes that were undone. I remember comments like, "We have learned from our mistakes" then we just go ahead and repeat them. Those mistakes aren't tied to a single event. We put the rules in because we know the results already.
[17:05:59] <Bytram> OTOH, I have decades' experience testing software and can vouch that bugs (aka "issues") appear at the edges and corners
[17:06:19] <Bytram> yep...
[17:07:21] <Bytram> and those who remember history are perhaps best prepared to repeat those past excesses to take advantage of them again.
[17:07:49] <Booga1> Those who remember history are force to watch people do dumb shit all over again.
[17:08:41] <Bytram> And even those who don't remember history can sometimes still foresee the upcoming SNAFU
[17:09:40] <Booga1> But yes....there are a lot of people who doubled down on shorting Gamestop. That stock was higher than anything reasonable would suggest, so why not predict its downfall?
[17:10:56] <Bytram> Ummm, that's what a short IS
[17:12:03] <Booga1> Yes, I know, but forcing people to sell without allowing them to buy is flat out wrong. That's what the brokerages were doing.
[17:12:44] * Bytram had not seen that... do you have a link?
[17:15:05] <Booga1> Someone posting screenshot of their account transaction history: https://i.imgur.com
[17:15:49] <Booga1> Forcibly sold off 4000+ shares at the bottom price of the day without permission.
[17:17:40] <Booga1> "It now appears @RobinhoodApp is selling customers’ shares of Reddit stocks “to mitigate the risk” to their portfolios. This is unbelievable." https://pic.twitter.com — Sawyer Hackett (@SawyerHackett) January 28, 2021
[17:20:21] <Bytram> [from 1st link] (1) that was 4,500 shares, not 4,000. (2) Cannot tell if that stock was a margin purchase or how many shares they owned -- was that their entire holding or just a small fraction, or... (3) if so, RH may well have been required by regulations to unwinds some positions.
[17:21:55] <Bytram> 2nds link appears to be the original tweet that sourced the first link.
[17:21:58] <Booga1> I presume it was a margin holding, but selling off your shares at the bottom price of the day is just pocketing the difference. I've seen my own brokerage do similar things where they give me my price but really sold the stock for a little bit more. It's annoying, but I got what I asked for.
[17:22:21] <Booga1> I would never expect my brokerage to sell my stocks without asking me. That's theft, plain and simple.
[17:25:25] <Bytram> or... at that time, the exposure exceeded some internal limit (extra leeway) and then there was no choice but to close out the position... there was no need to close it out if the stock was rising, right?
[17:26:15] <Bytram> "Computers are a pain. They do what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do!"
[17:28:04] <Booga1> If the exposure was a limit to affect things it should have come into play earlier: circuit breakers. It should have been market wide and the original transaction should not have been allowed. Forcible selling of positions shouldn't be a thing. If the brokerage can't cover it, they shouldn't allow it.
[17:28:36] <Bytram> Nope, not theft. I would VERY strongly suspect that there is standard boilerplate in the account agreement that specifically states those actions may happen... to fulfill legal or regulatory requirements or regulations
[17:29:26] <Booga1> Boilerplate doesn't make something legal. If they can't point out the exact line of text that lets them sell other people's posessions, they should go to jail.
[17:29:27] * Bytram never invested without reading the *entire* prospectus.
[17:30:21] <Bytram> like I said, to meet regulatory/statutory/legal/etc. requirements/regulations/etc.
[17:31:22] <Bytram> But I didn't now you meant *that* is a, I hate to say it, "too bad, so sad"
[17:31:29] <Booga1> I think the brokerages are betting they'll lose less money in the inevitable class action lawsuits than they will on the market. They know they're fucked, but had to pick between breaking the law or taking their lumps.
[17:31:32] <Bytram> But I didn't know you meant *that* is a, I hate to say it, "too bad, so sad"
[17:31:52] * Bytram got burned a few times learning that lesson the hard way
[17:33:15] <Booga1> Hehehe, I have used that line about computers doing what you ask them to do instead of what you meant to do a few times.
[17:33:53] <Bytram> sadly, we don't have a lock on that concept! Others have used it, too!
[17:34:30] <Booga1> It's an old joke, probably dates back to the concept of genies with wishes.
[17:34:45] <Bytram> Yeah? I wish!
[17:34:50] <Bytram> ;^)
[17:43:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, idgaf if the brokers and hedge funds who got fucked on their short positions lost money and the SEC is already investigating them for stopping/limiting trading on certain stocks. damned fine life lesson for the brokers and hedge funds, i'd say.
[17:45:05] <Bytram> "more will be revealed" or...
[17:45:16] <Bytram> =yt patience grasshopper
[17:45:17] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Patience Young Grasshopper Quote Origin - Star Wars? or Kung Fu? (02:52; 35,083 views; 👍83 👎36)
[17:45:34] <Bytram> =yt patience grasshopper -star
[17:45:35] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Kung Fu series clip Grasshopper remembers (02:34; 26,675 views; 👍176 👎5)
[17:47:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i really don't give two shits who wins or loses in the market, so long as nobody gets cheated. it's gambling, you'd better go in expecting that losing money is a possibility or not go in at all.
[17:49:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> gives me a chuckle to see hedge funds sitting up there like only they can steer the market and then seeing reddit say "hold my beer"
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[17:49:26] <Bytram> Agreed, except are all your retirement funds sitting in the bank? Cash? Or is there some exposure in a 401K? IRA? KEOGH?
[17:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> mattress
[17:50:15] <Bytram> hope it's firm
[17:50:52] <Bytram> but seriously, the way the fed has been doing QE and printing money, it's depreciating every day.
[17:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, seriously, i don't really do gambling. i'll do index funds and shove some in precious metals that i don't plan on selling for a long, long time but that's about it for me.
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[17:52:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. all the folks wanting government money are gonna be disappointed by how they're so much worse off a year from now on account of their dollars not being worth nearly as much.
[17:52:40] <Bytram> from what I've seen (history... blah blah not blah future results) index funds over a variety of areas (Small Cap, Large Cap, etc.) seems best.
[17:53:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> whole market ftw. it isn't always up but it's about as conservative as you can find short of just sticking it in a bank.
[17:54:34] <Bytram> yep
[17:55:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> really should be moving to gold though, what with them printing money like crazy last year and biden promising to give so much more away this year.
[17:56:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elon Musk’s SpaceX Announces a Spaceflight Intended to Raise Money for St. Jude Hospital - https://sylnt.us
[17:57:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, i found one culprit for space wasting:
[17:57:59] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[17:58:00] <systemd> ^ 03After flying without a waiver, SpaceX gets FAA permit for SN9 launch [Updated]
[17:58:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 354M Feb 2 15:55 beryllium-2021-01-31.sql.bz2
[17:58:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.4G Jan 31 01:04 beryllium-2021-01-31.sql.gz
[17:58:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 63M Feb 2 15:33 beryllium-2021-01-31.sql.xz
[17:58:28] <Bytram> yeah
[17:58:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think we should prolly move to xz for those db backups
[17:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> saves just a little bit of space
[17:59:24] <Bytram> BTW, i had a whole dir of files on my user acct that seemed to have disappeared?
[18:00:36] <Bytram> could ave been a few gigs, I don't really recall
[18:02:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> which server
[18:02:59] <Bytram> I would guess boron?
[18:03:20] <Bytram> At least I don't recall trying to find another server to put 'em
[18:04:17] <Bytram> it was a B/L of the "World of IF" archive from the Internet Archive... prior to several issues being removed at request of certain authors.
[18:04:25] <Bytram> s/B/D/
[18:04:25] <SedBot> <Bytram> it was a D/L of the "World of IF" archive from the Internet Archive... prior to several issues being removed at request of certain authors.
[18:05:52] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[18:06:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't monkey with other folks' home directories, just tell them when they're too full
[18:06:22] <Bytram> It it's gone, it's gone, I've not read any of them yet, but then again AG? MJ? put up some major bandwidth filters/limits a few months or so later
[18:06:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:07:44] <Bytram> So, even if I wanted to D/L them locally, seeing as I have a dynamic IPv4 addy, it would have taken some coordination to get to happen.
[18:08:19] <Bytram> was just wondering if anyone knew anything about it; that's all
[18:08:28] <Bytram> break time
[18:21:16] <Bytram> Hmm, I'm starting to think that there may have been a space crunch and *I* may have deleted them!
[18:45:54] <FatPhil> have a pigs_in_space cron job that mails people responsible for hogging disk space.
[19:06:32] <FatPhil> I haven't got a fucking clue what this anagram means, I just find it a bit spooky...
[19:06:42] <FatPhil> Reddit's "Army of Retards" = Traders modify traders
[19:07:23] <FatPhil> Is it a message about market manipulation? About fucking over hedge funds? Who knows...
[19:08:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> about teaching fuckers who bet money they don't have or take out loans to make bets some common sense?
[19:10:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> gambling once is enough. if you add another meta gamble to your primary bet, you are a fucking moron and deserve to end up at the bus station begging change.
[19:22:09] <FatPhil> I did see one analysis that implied a lot of the AoR were hit with margin calls as the price dropped, which caused the price to drop more, and cause more margin calls...
[19:22:47] <FatPhil> so those who went in at 359$ will have seen ~70% of their "investment" evaporate
[19:23:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that'll learn em
[19:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> buy or sell. never short and stay the fuck off the margin.
[19:32:04] <pinchy> so whats the status of gamestock stonk?
[19:32:27] <pinchy> did the jesuits fix the problem with the price?
[20:11:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea. i only really know what i know cause i couldn't keep The Roomie from blabbering enough of it at me that some of it sunk in
[20:20:15] <Bytram> https://www.youtube.com
[20:20:17] <systemd> ^ 03LIVE: Starship SN9 Flight Test
[20:20:48] <Bytram> If anyone finds a *spacex* live feed, please ping me with a link
[20:22:05] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[20:22:07] <systemd> ^ 03Starship | SN9 | High-Altitude Flight Test
[20:22:58] <Bytram> chromas++ tyvm!!!!!!!!!
[20:22:58] <Bender> karma - chromas: 331
[20:23:39] <Bytram> Innsprucker!
[20:27:33] <chromas> gotta black out the nozzles
[20:28:14] <Bytram> looks like something is burning on the edge
[20:29:26] <Bytram> that did not look good
[20:31:26] <Bytram> can you imagine being *on* that thing?
[20:31:54] <chromas> whoops
[20:31:59] <Bytram> boom!
[20:32:23] <chromas> probably shouldn't've waited 'til the last second to flip it
[20:32:24] <Bytram> looks like one engine misfired?
[20:35:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Family Photo Snapped by Solar Orbiter Shows Venus, Earth and Mars Gleaming Like Stars - https://sylnt.us
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[22:18:37] <chromas> I found the best solution to deal with inflation
[22:18:46] <chromas> metric prefixes
[22:19:21] <chromas> instead of $1,000 for a pack of gum, now it's only a kilobuck!
[22:20:12] <chromas> Instead of numbers, the money can just have the prefix initial on it
[22:20:25] <chromas> But who will be put on the teradollar bill?
[22:28:06] <FatPhil> chromas++ 4SN9vid
[22:28:06] <Bender> karma - chromas: 332
[22:46:32] <FatPhil> or just introduce novadollars at million-to-one when the prices start to explode
[22:47:06] <FatPhil> hmm, I've not checked the caffe con leche index recently - their JS stopped working in my browser a while back
[22:47:17] <FatPhil> =g bloomberg caffe con leche index
[22:47:18] <systemd> https://www.bloomberg.com - Bloomberg Venezuela Café Con Leche Inflation Index
[22:49:52] <FatPhil> yeah, still doesn't work, even with maximum JS bumrape.
[22:51:33] <chromas> Need to run current Firefox inside a systemd container
[22:52:20] <chromas> 2,797,500.00 Bolívars
[22:53:44] <chromas> oh firefox is really smart. when I do a search in the source code, it helpfully includes the line numbers in the gutter in the search hits
[22:54:50] <FatPhil> I once saw that implemented using columns, but with different fonts for the numbers and the lines, so gradually they ran out of sync.
[22:55:25] <FatPhil> I also once saw that implemented using rows, such that if you wanted to copy the source code, you also copied the line numbers too.
[22:58:29] <chromas> I'm sure they do it in a silly way. If you save the page in source view then it saves an html representation of the syntax-highlighted source
[23:07:10] <FatPhil> ah, yeah, I saw a pastebin-alike do that recently, really annoying
[23:07:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jeff Bezos to Stand Down as CEO of Amazon Later in 2021 - https://sylnt.us
[23:07:52] <FatPhil> Challenge - create some #defines so that the HTML is compilable C
[23:08:04] <FatPhil> =g polyglot c html
[23:08:05] <systemd> https://gist.github.com - A 99 bottles polyglot in 4 languages (C, C++, C#, HTML+JS) which ...
[23:08:21] <chromas> FatPhil: nonsense! just add html to the spec
[23:08:33] <chromas> c 2021, now with html
[23:08:37] <FatPhil> and a webserver to the compiler
[23:08:52] * FatPhil installs systemd-gccd
[23:09:38] <chromas> that way you can compile-by-rest
[23:17:21] <chromas> compiler-as-a-service
[23:18:14] <chromas> New idea! service-as-a-service! You just sign up with us, put all your x-as-a-service info into our buttcloud and we'll make the api calls whenever you do
[23:18:48] <chromas> Why have several points of failure when you can bundle them all together? less is more!
[23:52:00] <FatPhil> Wrong? or AWESOME!!!! (you'll know which bit when you get to it): https://www.youtube.com
[23:52:02] <systemd> ^ 03Blossom's Fake Video Exposed by food scientist
[23:54:00] <c0lo> https://www.independent.co.uk
[23:54:02] <systemd> ^ 03How are Newsmax and OAN coping without Trump in the White House?