#soylent | Logs for 2021-01-27

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[00:09:48] <Bytram> FatPhil: you must be new here!
[00:15:29] <Bytram> =w ham meat
[00:15:30] <systemd> Ham is pork from a leg cut that has been preserved by wet or dry curing, with or without smoking. As a processed meat, the term &quot;ham&quot; includes both whole - https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:19:14] <FatPhil> I had my first webpage when there were only ~1000 websites in the world.
[00:37:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Developer Network Documentation "Opened" (Abandoned) - https://sylnt.us
[01:23:39] <Runaway1956> Oh, hey, I see your comments above FatPhil
[01:24:12] <Runaway1956> I did a whois search here - https://www.ultratools.com
[01:24:13] <systemd> ^ 03WHOIS IP Lookup Tool | UltraTools
[01:24:25] <Runaway1956> after doing lookups in several other places that found nothing
[01:24:40] <Runaway1956> sa.www4.irs.gov
[01:24:55] <Runaway1956> Source: whois.arin.netIP Address: 104.107.6.198Name: AKAMAIHandle: NET-104-64-0-0-1Registration Date: 4/22/14Range: 104.64.0.0-104.127.255.255Org: Akamai Technologies, Inc.Org Handle: AKAMAIAddress: 145 Broadway
[01:24:56] <Runaway1956> City: CambridgeState/Province: MAPostal Code: 02142Country: United States
[01:25:14] <Runaway1956> I was thinking that it was some kind of illegitimate redirect
[01:26:19] <Runaway1956> Weird, whatever - you would think that the IRS could hire competent interior decorators
[01:26:29] <Runaway1956> or web decorators as the case may be
[01:35:55] -!- c0lo [c0lo!~9f99d30a@159.153.yqr.yr] has joined #soylent
[01:36:21] * c0lo nods to martyb https://www.youtube.com
[01:37:04] <c0lo> #tell martyb https://www.youtube.com
[01:37:04] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[01:40:54] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[01:40:56] <systemd> https://youtube.com - QA vs Dev (59; 5,974 views; 👍162 👎2)
[01:44:24] <Bytram> c0lo++ That is just too precious! ROFLMAO!
[01:44:24] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 22
[01:44:29] <Bytram> c0lo++ That is just too precious! ROFLMAO!
[01:44:29] <Bender> karma - c0lo: 23
[01:56:25] <Bytram> =g "QA vs DEV" -youtube
[01:56:26] <systemd> https://stackoverflow.com - QA vs Development Ratio - Stack Overflow
[01:56:49] <Bytram> =g "QA vs Dev" video -youtube
[01:56:50] <systemd> https://www.facebook.com - I.T Naukri Lahore - QA vs dev | Facebook
[01:57:57] <Bytram> c0lo: I don't now how or where you found that video, but TYVM for bringing it to my attention!
[02:22:43] <c0lo> Bytram, can't claim credit for it, got it on a company's internal slack channel.
[02:36:14] <Bytram> c0lo: well, it was exceptionally well done. saved for future reference, too!
[02:36:32] <Bytram> and that's gonna be a wrap for me.
[02:36:47] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[02:38:01] <c0lo> I logged-in to my google account just to give it a like.
[03:05:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meet the People Paying $55 Million Each to Fly to the Space Station - https://sylnt.us - such-a-deal!
[03:13:59] <c0lo> #submit https://www.theroot.com
[03:13:59] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[03:14:25] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[03:16:24] -!- AzumaHazuki [AzumaHazuki!~hazuki@the.end.of.time] has joined #soylent
[04:15:22] <AzumaHazuki> time for new shoes soon...i like guy shoes but it's hard to find a size 7 anywhere
[04:24:52] <Deucalion> Well... that's what happens when you use secateurs to prune your toe nails...... occasionally the toe goes too.
[04:25:13] <Deucalion> Child show outlets?
[04:26:37] <AzumaHazuki> oooh, there's an army surplus place just outside buffalo and the bus goes there. these look nice :) https://camolots.com
[04:26:39] <Deucalion> Here in the UK kids shoes and clothes do not incur sales tax - 17.5% saving right there for the sleight
[04:26:39] <systemd> ^ 038
[04:27:44] <AzumaHazuki> https://camolots.com these look good too
[04:27:45] <systemd> ^ 03OASIS Mountain Hiker - Style AL5488
[04:28:52] <Deucalion> wtf... "child show outlets" - that's just wrong... I should get to bed before I typo myself to a jail cell
[04:29:49] <AzumaHazuki> US sizes are weird compared to UK ones. A mens' 7 is a womens' 8.5 or 9, which is fairly large feet
[04:33:28] <Deucalion> I'd love to see a graph style depiction of SN #soylent discussion topics over time, it has ranged from nuclear reactors, through motor vehicles, dick extendococks (tiresome), rockets, satellites, ancient PCs, to small shoes.
[04:33:44] <Deucalion> SoylentNews is people.
[04:35:54] <Deucalion> I think US women's sizes are generally -1 to UK sizes. I mean wtf is that clothes measurement about anyway?
[04:36:53] <AzumaHazuki> no idea, and i don't know anyone who fits a single womens' size
[04:37:21] <AzumaHazuki> mens' clothes are easy, you have a waist and an inseam. if i buy pants that fit my hipe they're way too big around the waist. if they fit my waist i can't get them over my hips
[04:37:45] <Deucalion> If you are female - you are a 16,14,12,10,8 etc. A bloke - I need a 46"chest and a 10ft dick, a 37" inner leg.
[04:38:10] * AzumaHazuki basically lives in scrubs now, is glad not to have to deal with this stuff so much
[04:38:21] <AzumaHazuki> i think even if i ever get out of healthcare i'll still wear those
[04:40:05] <Deucalion> No female I know or have ever known can get clothes that fit. It's almost as if the concept of curves is alien to tailors.
[04:40:57] <AzumaHazuki> everyone's a bit different and there are lots of different female body shapes. there's really only 2 or 3 for men i think
[04:41:03] <AzumaHazuki> skinny, big chest, big belly
[04:41:30] <Deucalion> young, something to prove, got over it
[04:41:38] <Deucalion> :D
[04:41:41] <AzumaHazuki> for women it's like...flat and skinny, flat and fat, big hips and small chest, big chest and small hips, big chest and big hips (mine), maybe another variant or two
[04:41:42] <AzumaHazuki> LOL~
[04:44:22] <Deucalion> True though, females do have more categories of shape. Is it even safe to categorise shape these days without bringing on the cancel culture brigade? I feel a little nervous,
[04:46:26] <Deucalion> No wait, not nervous at all - fuck you fascist cancel culture clowns. Little dictators.
[04:47:32] <chromas> All shapes are just sets of sine waves anyhow
[04:47:35] <chromas> just like all sounds
[04:47:43] <chromas> I submit that shapes are sounds
[04:52:19] <bacteria> not the transcendental ones, from cantor's zoo
[04:53:41] <bacteria> most lack finite descriptions altogether
[04:53:56] <bacteria> and my most i mean measure 1
[04:55:37] <AzumaHazuki> just a note? "cancel culture" is what the rwnj brigade calls it when the marketplace of ideas doesn't like what they're selling and has a huge load of projection frontloaded :)
[04:56:27] <chromas> lol
[04:57:08] <AzumaHazuki> it's just like how deficits only matter when there's a democrat president: censorship is only bad when it's Not Their Tribe doing it
[05:03:25] <Deucalion> Oh gawd, we're entering territory where the natives confabulate domestic finance with nation state use of monetary power. i.e. which of us is going to go bankrupt first? It's all hypothetical numbers except for mere peons like us.
[05:04:16] <Deucalion> No the debt does not have to be repaid, it gets evaporated when the principle is paid.
[05:06:42] <Deucalion> Wait... wat... no... we all need to work harder for less so somehow the national debt gets paid down. A debt that does not actually exist. Insert This Is Fine meme
[05:07:37] <Deucalion> I should probably resign about now for bringing SN into disrepute.
[05:07:55] <chromas> Nah, I already dun that ;)
[05:08:26] <Deucalion> You resigned me for me? You're the best!
[05:08:58] <chromas> Yep. I signed you with a bigger font
[05:09:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, i was going for ill repute. similar but more fun.
[05:10:55] * TheMightyBuzzard ignores the silly people speaking of economics and brings up something actually important
[05:11:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[05:11:36] <Deucalion> Well that looks like a linh a sane person would click on...
[05:11:48] <chromas> Speaking of important, the cat's helping me work on my pc by sitting on the pile of screws to get his licking done
[05:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> sfw
[05:12:13] <chromas> I clicked it; it's legit
[05:12:14] <chromas> .jpg
[05:12:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> he's helping keep them from getting sCATtered
[05:12:39] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[05:12:39] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 411
[05:12:42] <chromas> wordplay++
[05:12:42] <Bender> karma - wordplay: 3
[05:13:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously considering not going to sleep tonight and staying up all day tomorrow. my sleep schedule is all kinds of out of whack right now.
[05:14:32] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, could never do that. i need my sleep. no amount of caffeine will keep me going more than about 24 hours
[05:14:44] * Deucalion reaches for the Sharpie, it's good pen, many are saying the best pen
[05:15:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> movement will and TR is out of state working for a couple days so nobody to choke because i'm tired and cranky.
[05:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://hackaday.com
[05:16:41] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[05:17:06] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[05:17:14] <chromas> Nobody except your pet chicken.
[05:18:15] <Deucalion> Amphetamine AzumaHazuki, get you through a day and night while destroying the next week of sleep. Horrible stuff.
[05:18:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> have that too if necessary.
[05:18:35] <c0lo> chromas "All shapes are just sets of sine waves anyhow" - false. When extended to infinity, only periodic shapes got a Fourier series.When the domain is finite, you're better off with all sorts of orthogonal polynomials.
[05:18:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i quite enjoy it
[05:18:49] <AzumaHazuki> ye gods, no. i refuse to touch anything stronger than coffee or like, diet monster energy and no more than 1 of those
[05:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> adderall does less badness to my system than energy drinks
[05:22:49] <AzumaHazuki> you have ADHD, so that's to be expected. those of us with normal brain function don't benefit that way
[05:23:04] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, sad reality when your politicians cancel the beers. See, in the socialist Downunder, the politicians promote getting on with it and make it in the top-100 https://www.abc.net.au
[05:23:04] <systemd> ^ 03Dan Andrews just got into the Hottest 100: "I'm pleased to be in great company"
[05:23:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i was talking more about cardiovascular issues
[05:23:58] <Deucalion> It's been several decades since I dabbled in such things but I remember Amphetamine was ridiculous for focus ability. The after affects, not so great. Imagine spending months on end does up with that stuff..... that os how PTSD comes about..
[05:24:21] <Deucalion> It's not chopping the heads off people
[05:24:28] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, just another reason not to touch it then, I've already got PTSD @_@
[05:24:35] <c0lo> Some say Viagra-and-family is good for cardiovascular issues, TMB
[05:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, given its typical use, i don't think anyone cares much if it has side effects
[05:25:46] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, Salvia Divinorum.
[05:26:20] <AzumaHazuki> no thank you. i've read enough about salvia to know not to even think of it
[05:26:44] <AzumaHazuki> it's like a depressive, judgmental acid trip
[05:26:51] <Deucalion> And see SN #soylent now goes from small shoes to mind altering subs
[05:26:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> so is this: https://www.youtube.com
[05:26:59] <systemd> ^ 03AC/DC - Thunderstruck (Buddhist Priest Cover) / KOSSAN
[05:28:44] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard, here's something to treat your outta-whack-sleep-pattern: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[05:28:46] <systemd> ^ 03Sildenafil accelerates reentrainment of circadian rhythms after advancing light schedules
[05:29:08] <c0lo> If you're a hamster, that is.
[05:29:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, being really tired generally works and it's free
[05:30:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i just gotta stop grabbing a coke or coffee after dinner. no matter how good it sounds.
[05:31:31] * TheMightyBuzzard blinks
[05:31:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Deucalion, i blame you for this: https://notthebee.com
[05:31:46] <systemd> ^ 03The BBC had their staff take a one-hour training on HOW TO DRINK WATER.
[05:32:11] <c0lo> Deucalion, yeah, even when one tries getting on more mundane matters, mind altering topics come back. Has something to do with the cancel culture inserted in between, I guess.
[05:32:45] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, that was not my experience of salvia - I had an entire other life. Lived 70yrs in 2 hrs of shut eye IRL. As with all mind fucking substances you need to be in the right place going in I guess. I found it fascinating but I'd caution against sampling if already in a bad or depressed place, that'll not go well.
[05:33:35] <AzumaHazuki> right, that's one reason i refuse to touch it. i've spent 25 years "already in a bad or depressed place."
[05:33:51] <AzumaHazuki> you hear stories about people going irretrievably insane on substances like these too
[05:35:01] * Deucalion extends a hug to Azuma.... zzzz extendo wrap around warm arms. It's OK.
[05:35:13] * Deucalion exudes warm
[05:36:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Robotics Company Plans to Flood Pandemic-Battered Economy with Androids to ‘Keep People Safe’ - https://sylnt.us
[05:36:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, neat! the guy third in line for the presidency has been in FIVE BATMAN MOVIES
[05:37:42] <Deucalion> Shush, I'm sure it's for your own good. Now where is the $500 someone else agreed you owe me?
[05:39:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wasn't complaining. i distinctly said it was neat.
[05:39:25] <Deucalion> Yay.
[05:39:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> absurdity is like bacon to me
[05:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[05:39:55] <systemd> ^ 03AC/DC - Thunderstruck (Buddhist Priest Cover) / KOSSAN
[05:40:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> no no no. stupid multiple clipboards
[05:40:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.youtube.com
[05:40:20] <systemd> ^ 03windows sound effect (acapella)
[06:19:26] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[06:19:28] <systemd> ^ 03Bohemian Rhapsody Pitch Meeting
[07:53:43] <AzumaHazuki> ...this may have been too much caffeine. i hadn't done the energy drink thing for a while. 160mg at once may be a bit much ><
[07:56:38] <FatPhil> energy drinks are an abomination
[07:57:13] <AzumaHazuki> the diet ones are okay in moderations. maybe i'm just getting old
[08:06:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 10 Starlink Satellites Launched Into Polar Orbits Include Laser Links - https://sylnt.us - sharks-not-included
[08:06:09] * c0lo snorts 2g of pure caffeine
[08:06:32] * c0lo not really, but less of abomination that any diet drink
[08:08:02] <c0lo> If you don't want sugar, get used with unsweetened espresso coffee, isn't really that hard
[08:11:29] <FatPhil> Sugar disgustingifies espresso, I've never understood that. Coffee's bitter, why try to hide that?
[08:19:10] <AzumaHazuki> i like my coffee light and (stevia-)sweet, can't drink it straight
[08:35:16] * FatPhil ptuis
[08:36:41] <FatPhil> and puts the kettle on
[08:37:18] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard++ for the buddhist
[08:37:18] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 412
[08:37:49] <c0lo> FatPhil, get one of these https://www.youtube.com
[08:37:51] <systemd> ^ 03Turkish Sand Coffee - Istanbul Street Food
[08:39:10] <c0lo> Get a rudiment of automation to heat up the sand pit starting 2h before you wakeup tho'.
[08:40:01] <c0lo> (should work with older web browsers on technically obsolete phones too)
[08:40:10] <FatPhil> I prefer Arab to Turkish, but the difference is itsy-bitsy.
[08:41:43] * c0lo can't stand spiced coffee. That's what curries are for, let the coffee be
[08:42:40] <FatPhil> that's non-typical turkish, the turks generally like it to boil aggressively.
[08:44:30] <FatPhil> I will confess to have started to put crap in my coffee at home, but I'd never do that when out and having proper coffee from a proper machine.
[08:44:57] <FatPhil> I drink instant at home much of the time, life's too short.
[08:47:56] <FatPhil> occasionally the g/f would put some cardamum into coffee, and that's good, but most of the spices ruin coffee.
[08:49:00] <c0lo> All good things take time, FatPhil.
[08:49:01] <FatPhil> the pumpkin spice abominations are just an indication that you weren't actually interested in the coffee part of the coffee
[08:49:22] <c0lo> "that's non-typical turkish, the turks generally like it to boil aggressively." that's not my experience.
[08:50:29] <c0lo> Unless by "aggressively" you mean pouring in 1/3 at first froth and returning the rest to froth a second, then a 3rd time.
[08:50:36] <FatPhil> I'm not saying let it boil for long, but enough to stir up the granules
[08:51:03] <FatPhil> he stirred it - you don't need to do that if you bring it to the boil.
[08:51:25] <c0lo> Oh, yes. That's the idea. Otherwise how could one devine the future in the coffee grounds.
[08:52:03] <FatPhil> Hmmm, I'm just wondering if I'm confusing turkish coffee for greek coffee...
[08:52:17] <c0lo> Nothing wrong with stirring it while cold. Don't do it once it starts heating up.
[08:53:50] <c0lo> Turkish or greek is pretty much the same. Arab is using spices and putting it to settle into a pot before pouring (no grounds in the cup, which is much smaller).
[08:54:07] <FatPhil> that guy was also using a thicker heavier pan than I expected, it's harder to control the boils with that much thermal ballast.
[08:54:31] <FatPhil> arabs don't use spices in my experience
[08:54:50] <c0lo> Nope, it's actually easier. Depends on the depth you sink the ibrik into the sand.
[08:55:27] <c0lo> You want a slow boil, keep it shallow depth. Faster, sink in deeper into the sand.
[08:55:47] <FatPhil> that's like saying it's easier to steer a hovercraft - thermal ballast is your enemy if you want a brief boil
[08:55:52] <c0lo> Thicker layer of sand means finer control on the temperature.
[08:56:26] <c0lo> FatPhil - good things take time, how many times do I need to say it?
[08:56:31] <FatPhil> yup, but thinner pan means even finer control
[08:57:13] <c0lo> Yeah, instant coffee is sorta OK-ish as a carrier for caffeine, but one doesn't make turkish coffee with instant.
[08:58:18] <c0lo> Ah, you eally mean the *pan*. I guess it doesn't matter that much for a street merchant.
[08:59:07] <c0lo> As a barrista, you don't mind 30mins of warmup for the monster espresso machine you'll be using all day.
[09:01:24] <FatPhil> I hate caffeine, it fucks with me, I just want the flavour of maillard on beeenz
[09:04:29] <FatPhil> fuck me, some spam caller just called me from "the IT department" in order to tell me that "the server room was reporting lots of logs... why are you laughing?!?". "Because I am the system administrator here. [hangs up]"
[09:06:44] <FatPhil> I can only guess that she was going to try and persuade me to install some malware. I didn't have the patience to find out. Life's too short.
[09:12:03] <c0lo> Someone called me some time in december "from my ISP" to tell me that "my computer is infected and it will be disabled". I replied "Oh, yeah? Which of the 8 is the one and what operating system is using?" He hang up immediately. A pity, tho, life is too short to waste an occasion for having more than one laugh.
[09:12:44] <c0lo> s/ing more than/ing only one/
[09:12:44] <SedBot> <c0lo> Someone called me some time in december "from my ISP" to tell me that "my computer is infected and it will be disabled". I replied "Oh, yeah? Which of the 8 is the one and what operating system is using?" He hang up immediately. A pity, tho, life is too short to waste an occasion for having only one one laugh.
[09:23:04] <c0lo> FatPhil, Trump is well enough to try mastering zee germans, starting today as I read.
[09:23:36] <FatPhil> not important enough to be televised, according to my sources
[09:26:37] <c0lo> live and exclusive on Eurosport
[09:29:25] <FatPhil> We can only steal BBC, alas. We don't have a telly, but the g/f still has an account on chiark, and we can pipe a wget through an SSH tunnel, so snarf all the BBC content we want that way.
[09:29:54] <FatPhil> The nice thing about the spam call is that it tested my new ringtone - Doug Wood Band /Drag Racer/
[09:31:38] <chromas> but how many logs are you reporting?
[09:31:58] <AzumaHazuki> all of them, lol
[09:34:15] <FatPhil> some of the logs were trunkated
[09:34:56] <FatPhil> apparently I'm not special, it's a known scam hitting finnish numbers a lot in the last year
[09:35:36] <chromas> maybe you are though
[09:35:46] <chromas> what if you were the last one and she's finnished now?
[09:35:54] <c0lo> Mine had an indian accent. Yours, FatPhil?
[10:28:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The $50 Ham: a Cheap Antenna for the HF Bands - https://sylnt.us - ham-it-up
[10:50:57] <FatPhil> Mine was having an Indian accent too.
[10:58:44] <c0lo> So, Russians don't bother with low tech social engineering, eh?
[10:58:47] <c0lo> https://www.abc.net.au
[10:58:48] <systemd> ^ 03China implements invasive quarantine rules amid fear of holiday coronavirus outbreak - ABC News
[10:59:39] <c0lo> "invasive quarantine rules" == anal swab testing
[11:07:01] <FatPhil> That's a terrible anagram! Invasive quarantine rules = Revive unique anal strains
[11:21:53] <c0lo> 30-43 yo and still rioting https://news.artnet.com
[11:21:53] <systemd> ^ 03Three Members of Pussy Riot Were Arrested in Russia's Mass Protests Against the Jailing of Opposition Leader Aleksei Navalny
[11:32:31] <c0lo> https://www.theguardian.com
[11:32:32] <systemd> ^ 03Navalny supporters call for fresh protests across Russia
[11:33:16] <c0lo> https://www.theguardian.com
[11:33:17] <systemd> ^ 03Biden presses Putin on election interference and Navalny arrest in first call
[11:33:42] <FatPhil> Putin hangs up and laughs
[11:34:04] <FatPhil> "Joe Who?" he asks
[11:34:17] <c0lo> Actually "presses" is "expresses concerns"
[11:35:32] <c0lo> "You OK, mate? I hear Navalny gives you headaches. Want a pain relief?"
[11:37:31] <c0lo> Ummmm... what? Dat a possibility? https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[11:37:33] <systemd> ^ 03Vaccinated people could become Covid-19 super-spreaders
[11:41:09] <c0lo> Only DailyFail and CourierMail and NZHerald (all Faux) publishes it, but worth to keep an eye.
[11:45:13] <c0lo> "Alternate facts" https://www.mamamia.com.au
[11:48:33] <c0lo> Ooopsie https://edition.cnn.com
[11:48:36] <systemd> ^ 03Defeat in Texas shows how conservative judiciary can thwart Biden's agenda
[12:00:13] <c0lo> FatPhil, enough with hot gases. Need to renews yeaself https://www.smh.com.au
[12:00:15] <systemd> ^ 03New Prime Minister pledges break with far-right, fossil fuels
[12:03:36] <c0lo> Peace, tranquility, sticks and stones https://www.abc.net.au
[12:03:38] <systemd> ^ 03Indian and Chinese troops clash in Himalayas as tensions escalate in disputed border area - ABC News
[12:07:20] <c0lo> https://apnews.com
[12:07:21] <systemd> ^ 03Dominion Voting Systems sues Giuliani over election claims
[12:10:06] <c0lo> =submit https://theconversation.com
[12:10:10] <systemd> Submitting "Do men really take longer to poo?"...( 1 modified urls; http://theconversation.com )
[12:10:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Do Men Really Take Longer to Poo?" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:16:23] <c0lo> https://www.aljazeera.com
[12:16:24] <systemd> ^ 03Taiwan air force flexes muscles after latest Chinese incursion
[12:17:41] <c0lo> We can't make a driverless car but...
[12:17:59] <c0lo> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[12:18:01] <systemd> Submitting "US has 'moral imperative' to develop AI weapons, says panel"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[12:18:23] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03US Has 'Moral Imperative' to Develop AI Weapons, Says Panel" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:21:14] <c0lo> =submit another-one-bites-the-dust https://www.theguardian.com
[12:21:15] <systemd> Submitting "US has 'moral imperative' to develop AI weapons, says panel"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[12:21:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03US Has 'Moral Imperative' to Develop AI Weapons, Says Panel" (14p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:21:47] <c0lo> =submit another-one-bites-the-dust https://www.engadget.com
[12:21:49] <systemd> Submitting "Google is turning Tilt Brush over to the open source community"...
[12:22:19] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Google is Turning Tilt Brush Over to the Open Source Community" (4p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:24:15] <c0lo> =submit because-ai-makes-fewer-mistakes https://au.pcmag.com
[12:24:16] <systemd> Submitting "Amazon Alexa Starts Proactively Making Decisions for You"...
[12:24:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Amazon Alexa Starts Proactively Making Decisions for You" (9p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:29:18] <FatPhil> Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! Substation maintenance next week means I will lose my uptimes :(
[12:30:51] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com
[12:30:53] <systemd> Submitting "Oh No, Not Again: The Moon vs. Mars"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.forbes.com )
[12:31:09] <FatPhil> I'll reach 1128 days, it seems, so well over 3 years.
[12:31:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Oh No, Not Again: the Moon Vs. Mars" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:31:47] <c0lo> Give them a break, FatPhil!
[12:33:03] <FatPhil> But it's a way of life
[12:40:55] <c0lo> =submit more-deeper-fjords https://www.nasa.gov
[12:40:56] <systemd> Submitting "Warming Seas Are Accelerating Greenland’s Glacier Retreat"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.nasa.gov )
[12:41:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Warming Seas are Accelerating Greenland’s Glacier Retreat" (2p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:41:39] <c0lo> ^^^ "In the case of Greenland’s glaciers, the bigger they are, the faster they melt. And the culprit is the depth of the fjord they occupy: Deeper fjords allow in more warm ocean water than shallow fjords, hastening the undercutting process."
[12:44:01] <c0lo> =submit flying-drones-on-Mars https://sea.mashable.com
[12:44:02] <systemd> Submitting "NASA is sending a helicopter to Mars, but what for?"...
[12:44:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA is Sending a Helicopter to Mars, but What For?" (37p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[13:21:28] <tyler2016> Since section 230 has been a big news item lately, if it gets ammended or revoked, wouldn't users just end up on a platform not managed in the US?
[13:25:31] <requerdanos> I am not sure how that would work, honestly
[13:27:33] <c0lo> Simple: Twitt.ir, Faceb.uk
[13:28:00] <tyler2016> I'm just trying to find the best approach to contact my congressman with. It sounds like we need that old thing with why a persons idea to get rid of spam wouldn't work, except for misinformation on the net.
[13:29:04] <c0lo> =yt nfK79Xblpus
[13:29:05] <systemd> https://youtube.com - A man with road rage confronts an elderly driver. Then all hell breaks loose. | Nullarbor (10:25; 3,152,695 views; 👍57,648 👎2,524)
[13:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> tyler2016, i dunno about everyone else but we won't have a choice but to relocate if it passes.
[13:47:17] <tyler2016> Maybe approach it with rhetoric that it will force business overseas and not actually combat misinformation?
[13:48:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> approach it with campaign contributions, that's the only language they speak.
[13:49:13] <Bytram> tyler2016: Try old skool? Write a letter, print it out, and main a physical copy. It is's not a form letter, is well-organized, and (it at all possible) succinct, it has a much better impact than just an e-mail or phone call. If you've supported their campaign in any way, might not hurt to mention that, too.
[13:49:33] <Bytram> s/main/mail/
[13:49:33] <SedBot> <Bytram> tyler2016: Try old skool? Write a letter, print it out, and mail a physical copy. It is's not a form letter, is well-organized, and (it at all possible) succinct, it has a much better impact than just an e-mail or phone call. If you've supported their campaign in any way, might not hurt to mention that, too.
[13:49:53] <Bytram> ugn...
[13:50:03] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:50:03] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5472
[13:50:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'pretty sad really. even nixon was better than this. the roomie's grandma actually got a hand-written response from him when she wrote him to chew his ass out over viet nam.
[13:52:00] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Not disagreeing, but there are a bunch more Americans now, tho.
[13:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, only a 50% increase
[13:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nowadays you're lucky to get a form letter response from a congressman. mostly it's easier to just ignore you unless your correspondence is printed on a check.
[13:57:00] <tyler2016> Maybe the approach isn't the congressman, but voters
[13:57:51] <tyler2016> A widely circulated, short, accurate, easy to understand write up on why changing it is bad
[14:00:41] <tyler2016> One person, me, can be ignored, a lot are harder to ignore, especially if campaign donors are part of the "a lot"
[14:00:45] <AzumaHazuki> do what reddit is doing and target their lobbying companies. make them lose it all
[14:01:17] <AzumaHazuki> more and more i'm beginning to think Bayesian poisoning approaches are the right ways to take down a corrupt, fragile system. drown it in chaotic noise
[14:01:43] <tyler2016> My site only has about 20k monthly visitors, mostly people googling how to do something IT related
[14:02:38] <tyler2016> The rhetoric needs name recognition
[14:02:55] <Bytram> Nixon was president from 1969 until 1974. Phone calls were toll calls (pay pay the minute -- even while on hold). Personal computers did not exist, never mind cell phones. That meant either making time to write a letter by hand or typing a letter with a mechanical typewriter. IOW, much greater impediment to reaching out and this much less chaff for the incumbent (and staff) to sift through to see your "piece".
[14:02:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> tyler2016, You do not really understand something unless you can explain it to your grandmother. -- albert einstein
[14:03:24] <tyler2016> What am I failing to understand?
[14:04:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing, i was agreeing with your short, accurate, and easy to understand statement
[14:04:18] <tyler2016> oh, ok. I thought I missed something
[14:04:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: did u see mine?
[14:05:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, pens are not an impediment of any note
[14:05:26] <tyler2016> So you think paper mail has the best chance of getting through and not round filed by a staffer?
[14:06:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, i think scheduling an appointment to speak with him after you've got a campaign going is the way to go. hard to ignore someone sitting across a desk from you.
[14:06:38] <tyler2016> I gotta head out for a while
[14:07:26] <Bytram> there may be only twice as many people today as when Nixon was in office, but now most folk have a cell phone, a great many have a computer (or several), there's also twitter, facebook, instagram, twitch, etc. Reps are now getting barraged from many different directions that dwarf any correspondence that could ever have existed in the 60s/70s.
[14:07:37] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs at the lack of love for his pun
[14:07:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, 50% more not twice as many. that'd be 100% more.
[14:08:08] <Bytram> o, k.
[14:08:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> like 2+50%=3
[14:09:44] <Bytram> Still, it is WAY much easier for any given person to reach out and express themselves. Much more bandwidth for your note to get lost in.
[14:10:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why the more ephemeral methods are ignored not why all are ignored.
[14:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and congressmen have no excuse whatsoever. they don't get anywhere near the correspondence a president did back then even considering you had to pay a few cents to speak your mind.
[14:11:45] <Bytram> where did I say they were ignored? I said that writing and printing out a (succinct) letter would be most likely to get attention
[14:12:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. skimmed by an aid and shitcanned unless there's something in it for the rep. in person or bust.
[14:14:09] <Bytram> [claiming facts not in evidence] -- it is WAY easier for one person to blast out several tweets in one day that it would be to write even a single letter. I'd wager than a single senator gets more correspondence of any sort, than Nixon did, back then.
[14:14:55] <Bytram> and not just from their own constituents, either.
[14:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> very much doubt it. nixon was president at the height of viet nam. people were a little cheesed about that if i remember correctly.
[14:15:45] <Bytram> Think of Senators from Alaska and Maine who were the targets of trying to be flipped.
[14:16:07] <Bytram> Mukarsky? Collins?
[14:16:17] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:16:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> out of state postmark would make it damned easy to cull efficiently.
[14:17:03] <Bytram> yep, but how long does it take for you to write up a screen here, in an email, etc. vs writing a letter by hand?
[14:17:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't matter. ignored electronically or ignored because they don't give a shit without a check? both are still just as ignored.
[14:18:16] <Bytram> lol, PACs can gather mail and then drop off at any post office they want.
[14:18:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:18:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5473
[14:19:38] <requerdanos> then there's ignored "on general principle"
[14:19:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> wait, no
[14:19:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[14:19:51] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 802
[14:19:53] <Bytram> like I said, my point was only that a typed letter, today, was much more likely to get noticed -- especially in light of all the media it needs to noticed in. There was much less "noise" back then.
[14:20:39] * Bytram slept okay and yet still feels halfway knackered.
[14:20:56] * Bytram debates going back to bed.
[14:21:46] * Bytram gives it one more try at wakng up and getting started on his day
[14:21:50] <Bytram> afk
[14:22:22] <Fnord666_> coffee++
[14:22:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5474
[14:23:18] <Runaway1956> Coffee++
[14:23:18] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5475
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[15:28:43] <FatPhil> wallstreetbets = lets twats rebel
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[15:43:09] <bacteria> coffee++
[15:43:09] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5476
[15:43:12] <bacteria> satan++
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[17:40:08] <Ingar> FatPhil: I find this wallstreetbets story very entertaining
[17:44:23] <FatPhil> Ingar: yeah - hilarious. I'm long popcorn!
[17:47:51] <FatPhil> I just want to see the robinhood crowd decide that they want to bring down Citadel for bailing out Melvin. I think they're stupid enough to try.
[18:06:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Has 'Moral Imperative' to Develop AI Weapons, Says Panel - https://sylnt.us - ok-google-reduce-casualties
[18:14:35] <halibut> FatPhil: What do you use for an ssh tunnel? ssh -L? ssh -w? ssh -D?
[18:50:03] <FatPhil> halibut: nothing clever at all required IIRC. ssh me@host wget -O - http://bbc.com > localfile
[18:50:06] <systemd> ^ 03BBC - Error 404: Not Found ( http://www.bbc.co.uk )
[18:51:12] <halibut> Ah. Running wget remotely works too.
[18:52:22] <FatPhil> yeah, the -O - is a really handy feature
[18:52:39] <FatPhil> the internet is pipes!
[18:53:50] <halibut> I frequently use curl, which writes to stdout by default, so I have used that method as well. However, curl also supports SOCKS natively (you can use proxychains with wget), which makes ssh -D very convenient.
[18:54:36] <FatPhil> I should probably use curl instead, as I think it's more lightweight. I just started using wget decades ago, and never picked up the other tools.
[18:56:19] <halibut> For really basic usage, use -o instead of -O, and curl works mostly the same.
[18:56:39] <halibut> Without -o, curl writes to stdout, so there is no need for -o -.
[18:57:37] <halibut> IIRC, wget follows redirect by default, curl does not. Use -L/--location to trigger that behavior with curl. To enable compression, add --compressed as well.
[18:58:00] <halibut> So, basic usage: curl -L --compressed [-o <outputfile>] <URL>
[18:58:16] <halibut> Equivalent, I think, to wget -O <filename> <URL>
[18:59:04] <halibut> curl lacks the link parsing and recursive fetching that wget does, so is not a good replacement for that.
[18:59:35] <FatPhil> we've down our Richard Osman's House of Games download today, we'll try curl tomorrow - thanks!
[18:59:51] <FatPhil> I always like using the simpler tool just out of principle.
[19:01:06] <FatPhil> Note, however, that sometimes simplicity isn't obvious - the language interpreter 'sed' is simpler (as measured by code size) than the 'do one job' grep.
[19:01:41] <FatPhil> $ size `which sed` `which grep`
[19:01:41] <FatPhil> text data bss dec hex filename
[19:01:41] <FatPhil> 100142 2724 2480 105346 19b82 /bin/sed
[19:01:41] <FatPhil> 205149 4312 4776 214237 344dd /bin/grep
[19:02:29] <chromas> > using ` in the current year
[19:02:38] <FatPhil> using ` every year
[19:03:31] <halibut> The difference is less pronounced on my system (grep is 276k, sed is 232k).
[19:03:38] <halibut> Still, surprising.
[19:04:25] <chromas> is that gnu or bsd grep/sed?
[19:04:31] <FatPhil> woh - even bigger ratio difference on this exact machine: $ size `which sed` `which grep`
[19:04:34] <FatPhil> text data bss dec hex filename
[19:04:37] <FatPhil> 52332 1136 20736 74204 121dc /bin/sed
[19:04:39] <FatPhil> 174976 2376 4324 181676 2c5ac /bin/grep
[19:04:55] <halibut> GNU here.
[19:05:10] <FatPhil> GNU, for maximum kitchen sink
[19:05:38] <halibut> If you want to play with socks, it is two commands. First, log in and pick a SOCKS port: ssh -D 12345 username@host
[19:06:05] <halibut> Then call curl: curl -L --compressed --proxy socks5h://localhost:12345 [-o <outputfile>] <URL>
[19:06:36] <halibut> You may also use the environment variable ALL_PROXY=socks5h://localhost:5555 instead of the --proxy socks5h://localhost:55555
[19:07:25] <halibut> Since a lot of browsers have a SOCKS proxy option, this is a convenient way for tunneling all browser traffic and curl requests through a single ssh tunnel.
[19:07:56] <halibut> I always thought it was a neat trick. It does not seem to be widely known, so I like to spread it where there's even a modicum of interest.
[19:09:07] <FatPhil> I've rarely had to deal with proxies, they're mostly alien to me. Gimme access to the whole internet, or give me death!
[19:13:55] <halibut> It's a handy way to tunnel selected traffic without restricting any other traffic. SOCKS handles host lookups as well (if you request it with the ``h'' in socks5h://12345), so it is very much like running the command on the remote machine (the host lookups take place there).
[19:14:29] <halibut> (I notice I used three different port values in my instructions above -- whatever port you choose, replace 12345, 5555, and 55555 with that).
[19:47:40] <tyler2016> grep has to do more than sed
[19:48:12] <tyler2016> think about the complexity with dealing with things like outputting lines before and after mathes
[19:48:15] <tyler2016> matches^
[19:48:56] <tyler2016> case insensitive features, usually linked to PCRE, not sure if sed is or not
[19:49:23] <tyler2016> the gnu version does color output
[19:50:04] <tyler2016> look at the man page for the GNU grep and it makes sense why it is so large
[20:04:34] <FatPhil> tyler2016: before grep had context, I wrote a perl wrapper around grep to include context - it was about 5 lines of perl. So no, not a feature that requires 3 times as much code.
[20:06:39] <FatPhil> And "but look - it's even got a kitchen sink!" is *not* an excuse for having a kitchen sink.
[20:10:56] <Runaway1956> Does the kitchen sink come preloaded with dirty dishes?
[20:15:55] <chromas> why not just rewrite grep in perl?
[20:16:08] <chromas> (besides perl's regexes being much slower)
[20:25:55] <tyler2016> how big is the perl executable and how much of it was pulled in to do that? Saying 5 lines of perl isn't an accurate comparison, IMHO
[20:26:19] <tyler2016> What about code pulled in via .so files?
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[21:28:16] <FatPhil> tyler2016: both grep and sed ldd pcre.so, so even that's no excuse
[21:29:26] <FatPhil> chromas: which implies that the regexps won't be much different in speed, other overheads like mm/gc will be instead.
[21:54:02] <FatPhil> Ingar: Now, for me, it gets really interesting... https://www.reddit.com
[21:54:06] <systemd> ^ 03r/wallstreetbets - THE BIGGEST SHORT SQUEEZE IN THE WORLD $SLV Silver 25$ to 1000$.
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