#soylent | Logs for 2021-01-11

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[00:00:34] <chromas> Ah, finally making use of the decriminalization of Smokey the Bear impersonations.
[00:00:53] <Runaway1956> =submit https://blog.mozilla.org
[00:00:54] <systemd> Submitting "Modern codecs like AV1 can bring better quality video to the open web"...( 1 modified urls; https://blog.mozilla.org )
[00:01:01] <Runaway1956> White trees are racisssss!
[00:01:15] <Bytram> was the story written by forrest gump?
[00:01:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Modern Codecs Like AV1 Can Bring Better Quality Video to the Open Web" (15p) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[00:05:46] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo: the tribal lunatics will seize anything that reinforces their beliefs and mock anything that doesn't. including actual, testable, repeatable science
[00:06:27] <Runaway1956> Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if you open windows. -- Adam Heath
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[00:06:48] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki s/tribal//
[00:06:58] <Bytram> =yt mockingbird carley simon
[00:06:59] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Mockingbird - Carly Simon & James Taylor (03:56; 4,564,730 views; 👍21,694 👎1,039)
[00:07:02] <AzumaHazuki> yeah no, this is mostly a tribal thing. sorry.
[00:07:19] <AzumaHazuki> no more fake civility. no more coyness. no more beating around the bush
[00:07:30] * Runaway1956 loads shotgun with mockingbird shot
[00:07:42] * Bytram can attest that mockingbirds *never* stop singing
[00:07:47] <AzumaHazuki> and speaking of tribal lunatics...
[00:08:16] <requerdanos> I dunno how many lunatics you know, but ime they tend to march to their own beat of whatever stripe they may be
[00:08:28] <Bytram> syncopated
[00:08:37] <AzumaHazuki> madness may take hold of entire groups
[00:09:05] <Runaway1956> Like in the French Revolution? Yeah, we're having some of that mass hysteria today.
[00:09:29] <c0lo> At your peril, AzumaHazuki. Lunatics will luna on their own. Lose track of lone wolf lunatics and you're in for surprises. Next one may not play Downtown for half an hour.
[00:09:34] <AzumaHazuki> ah, so you unequivocally condemn the rioting and terrorism, Runaway?
[00:09:44] <AzumaHazuki> and all who participated in it, encouraged it, and allowed it?
[00:09:58] <Runaway1956> =yt petula clark downtown
[00:09:59] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Petula Clark Downtown. original version (03:03; 15,793,479 views; 👍97,003 👎2,853)
[00:10:16] * Runaway1956 plays downtown for 18 hours straight
[00:10:23] <AzumaHazuki> so that's a no then? :) figures
[00:11:07] <Runaway1956> The other all-time great that was all-but-banned happened after 9/11
[00:11:12] <Bytram> there's #US_election available
[00:11:15] <Runaway1956> =yt Jet Airliner
[00:11:16] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Jet Airliner (03:36; 677,761 views; 👍6,715 👎317)
[00:11:25] * c0lo expecting a condemation of BLM rioting from Runaway. Any time now
[00:11:47] <AzumaHazuki> after all, if it was all antifa and BLM doing the actual rioting at the capitol... :)
[00:11:54] <AzumaHazuki> whaaa dew yew hayt uh-MER-ikkuh, boyh?!
[00:11:59] <Runaway1956> c0lo waits pointlessly as I have been condeming Atifa all summer long, and questioning BLM
[00:12:48] <AzumaHazuki> again: do you unequivocally condemn the rioting and terrorism, Runaway? and all who aided, abetted, ignored, and supported it?
[00:12:48] * c0lo is surprised that Runaway finally got bored of his favorite passtime
[00:13:20] <AzumaHazuki> (hint: this should not be a difficult question)
[00:13:35] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Runaway1956 Politics belongs in another channel. I suggest either #US_Election or #politics
[00:13:38] <Runaway1956> zoom-zoom - it appears to me that about two or three dozen individuals involved in the capitol demonstration need to be charged and convicted of crimes
[00:13:58] <AzumaHazuki> answer the question
[00:14:12] * Runaway1956 re-reads Bytram's warning
[00:14:15] <Bytram> warning has been given
[00:14:15] * c0lo ignoring rioting and terrorism since 1990-ies
[00:15:22] <Runaway1956> =yt lets make a dope deal
[00:15:23] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Let's Make a Dope Deal (03:59; 138,294 views; 👍1,442 👎52)
[00:16:01] <c0lo> bytram, is there any list of what channels are active on IRC? 'Cause #politics is empty.
[00:16:18] <chromas> /list
[00:16:21] <AzumaHazuki> and why one is any better or worse for this?
[00:16:31] <AzumaHazuki> problems don't go away by not talking about them
[00:16:37] Adhominem is now known as tubesteaktony
[00:16:58] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki - context
[00:17:03] <AzumaHazuki> if anything, you start to lose the moral high ground when you insist on burying them
[00:17:14] <omgwtf> this woman has it down cold
[00:17:17] <omgwtf> https://www.bitchute.com
[00:17:18] <Bytram> c0lo: it's empty, but I created it for discussions for with #US_Election was not apropos, so there was somewhere else togo
[00:17:18] <systemd> ^ 03Planet Lockdown - Catherine Austin Fitts (Full Interview)
[00:17:23] * Runaway1956 re-reads exactly what bytram said
[00:17:38] <omgwtf> the smart money people know what's up
[00:18:04] <chromas> Should've opened it as #PoLiTiCs
[00:18:21] <Runaway1956> WTF tubesteaktony
[00:18:40] <tubesteaktony> I got it, I flaunt it
[00:19:07] <chromas> "smart money"
[00:19:16] <chromas> So when are we getting cloud-connected iCash?
[00:19:32] <omgwtf> after the great reset
[00:19:34] <Runaway1956> You mean PayPal, right?
[00:19:38] <omgwtf> which is a conspiracy theory
[00:19:49] <c0lo> Create #AlT-ReAlLiTy too, guys.
[00:19:53] <omgwtf> and also the title of the book from the founder of the world economic forum
[00:19:55] <chromas> no, we need physical IoT dollars
[00:20:20] <omgwtf> but it's a conspiracy theory if you read his book and learn anything
[00:20:34] <chromas> Then when a new thing comes out, my money can literally burn a hole in my pocket
[00:20:51] <Runaway1956> I remember news articles from some years back - maybe 1990's - the "new" currency was printed with ink that was visible to satellites even when buring 1000 feet underground
[00:20:57] <Runaway1956> or some such ludicrous shit
[00:21:21] <chromas> oh yeah and CRTs could also be cameras to spy on you over the internet
[00:21:31] <AzumaHazuki> you can actually spy on someone using a CRT
[00:21:43] <chromas> but not over the internet
[00:21:47] <AzumaHazuki> and the method is called, to my endless amusement, "van Eck phreaking."
[00:21:47] <Bytram> =g TEMPEST
[00:21:48] <systemd> https://www.jointempest.com - Tempest | Personalized Online Recovery To Quit Drinking | Tempest
[00:21:57] <chromas> I can't just haxx your box and receive image
[00:22:16] <c0lo> chroma, no need to IoT, any metal coin will burn your pockets in a large EM pulse
[00:22:17] <AzumaHazuki> well, yes, it involves measuring the monitor's magnetic field fluctuations and doing standard frequency analysis on the number of each type of deflection
[00:22:20] <AzumaHazuki> presto, keylog
[00:22:22] <Runaway1956> no chromas, you hacked the 'mote control to get the images via infrared
[00:22:56] <chromas> c0lo: tha's not cool mang. I want Alexa in my quarters as well as my quarters
[00:23:02] <Runaway1956> Unfortunately, it was short ranged, and people started questioninig why there were vans parked in front of their houses
[00:24:05] <chromas> did those vans play a countdown and then have an explosion appear out of holes on the other side of the street?
[00:24:35] <c0lo> Simple, the neighbours were perpetually relocating. New faces, new vans everyday
[00:24:46] * Runaway1956 doesn't recall a countdown, but the vans made very good, very accurate targets for cruise missiles
[00:25:24] <Bytram> It was short range, then. I expect they could do far better, today. Besides, now they can do it with lasers reflected off of windows or even a potato chip bag that's in the room
[00:25:51] <Runaway1956> Mustn't forget the Pringles cans . . .
[00:25:52] * c0lo noting cruise missiles are lousy for precise targeting
[00:26:21] <requerdanos> Now they just intercept all the Internets and save your stuff to read at their leisure, https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:26:22] <systemd> ^ 03Room 641A - Wikipedia
[00:26:22] <Bytram> just need to carry a larger warhead
[00:26:32] <chromas> Just swap out the warhead for a robogun
[00:26:33] <Runaway1956> c0lo if your van emits on a laser freq, the cruise missile can fly right up the tailpipe before detonating
[00:26:53] <AzumaHazuki> good thing i get my potatoes in boiled form
[00:26:59] <AzumaHazuki> told you aluminum was bad for you...
[00:27:08] <chromas> make the missiles chase the vic—I mean targets down the street while shooting at them
[00:27:10] * c0lo noting that a strike missile is not a cruise one
[00:27:17] <Runaway1956> Who remembers the Sheffield? That Exocet missile flew straight down the smokestack and blew the boiler room out through the keel
[00:27:56] <Bytram> =w sheffield exocet
[00:27:56] <systemd> Air-launched version of the Exocet caused damage which sank the Royal Navy destroyer HMS Sheffield on 4 May 1982. Two more Exocets struck the 15,000-ton merchant - https://en.wikipedia.org
[00:28:44] * Runaway1956 remembers well reading that news, and glancing around the interior of our own ship
[00:29:20] <chromas> sounds like they were just trying to spook you
[00:29:42] <chromas> keep you checking all your holes for inappropriate missilage
[00:30:02] <AzumaHazuki> it's the Navy. lots of holes would have had inappropriate loading in there
[00:30:06] <AzumaHazuki> sodomy, rum, and the lash remember?
[00:30:31] <Runaway1956> Well, on the plus side, any missile targeting out smokestack would have to fly through a turbocharger setup to get to the boilers
[00:30:50] <Runaway1956> s/out/our/
[00:30:51] <SedBot> <Runaway1956> Well, on the plus side, any missile targeting our smokestack would have to fly through a turbocharger setup to get to the boilers
[00:32:21] * c0lo trying to understand if Runaway and his kind still run on steam
[00:32:57] <chromas> Are we still using boilers for nuclear power? Shouldn't we have invented some way to induce magnetic fields from the fleeing particles?
[00:33:14] <AzumaHazuki> 20 years away now, chromas
[00:33:20] <AzumaHazuki> just like 50 years ago
[00:33:23] <chromas> or some other sort of buttmagic
[00:33:50] <Runaway1956> c0lo most ships run with gas turbines today, unless they are nuclear powered
[00:33:51] <omgwtf> According to a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll, 44 percent of Republicans believe that Bill Gates is plotting to use a mass COVID-19 vaccination campaign as a pretext to implant microchips in billions
[00:34:02] <Runaway1956> nukes are steam, yes
[00:34:03] <omgwtf> that was awhile ago
[00:34:13] <omgwtf> i wonder what the numbers are like today
[00:34:35] <chromas> Speaking of Yahoo News, I just found a Prodigy folder
[00:34:39] <chromas> "Iiiiiiiiinstant message!"
[00:35:16] <AzumaHazuki> omgwtf: what a load of bullshit. i work in pharmacy and can tell you the chips are in the singlex vaccine /s
[00:35:17] <requerdanos> I personally know sa microchip nutjob conspiracist.
[00:35:37] <AzumaHazuki> s/singlex/Shingrix/
[00:35:37] <SedBot> <AzumaHazuki> omgwtf: what a load of bullshit. i work in pharmacy and can tell you the chips are in the Shingrix vaccine /s
[00:36:10] <chromas> I knew there was something fishy about those Lays Stax
[00:36:25] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: tx, that makes a lot more sense
[00:36:36] <AzumaHazuki> please do note the /s
[00:37:03] <Bytram> duly (and duely? dually?) noted!
[00:37:10] <Bytram> hmm
[00:37:16] <Bytram> =g knoted
[00:37:18] <systemd> https://www.spellchecker.net - What is the correct spelling for knoted? | Spellchecker.net
[00:37:29] <Bytram> o_O !!
[00:38:26] <AzumaHazuki> ahhh, speaking of...i have Monday off. Another "rounder" shift tonight, Monday into Tuesday morning off, then IV training T/F and rounding W/Th.
[00:38:46] <AzumaHazuki> turns out i'm a lot less rusty after not touching IVs for a month than feared and have even made some speed improvements. somehow o.o
[00:39:21] <AzumaHazuki> also apparently i'm about twice as fast at rounding as any other night tech? 90 minutes or so for the entire main tower
[00:40:18] <Bytram> "rounding" making the rounds and handing off(?) meds?
[00:40:29] * c0lo decides moar coffee needed recall nuclear is still steam-powered
[00:40:43] <AzumaHazuki> rounders do everything but IV preps
[00:40:58] <Runaway1956> heh - that reminds me of my boss - - - daily rounds of the machines takes two hours minimum - record oil temps, running status, amps drawn, etc
[00:41:12] <Runaway1956> if you stop to fix anything at all, call it three hours
[00:41:19] <Runaway1956> but he thinks it should be done in an hour
[00:41:20] <Bytram> leave meds for the nurses (e.g.) to administer, or do you do that, too?
[00:41:22] <AzumaHazuki> so, preparing the round packages floor by floor, delivering them, intercepting phone calls and passing off what needs a pharmacist, handling unit-dose requests, sending stat orders up the tube system...
[00:42:04] <AzumaHazuki> also i do all the tech support stuff because apparently i'm the only one who knows how to fix computer issues locally...?
[00:42:06] <Bytram> that helps, tx!
[00:42:16] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, so IV looks like bicycle riding, eh?
[00:42:26] <AzumaHazuki> kind of, but more piercing and less scraping
[00:42:37] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Hey! How much longer until probation ends? gotta be coming up soon?
[00:42:45] <AzumaHazuki> 4 days (technically 3)
[00:42:52] <Bytram> Woo Hoo!
[00:42:59] <chromas> Do you get a Segway?
[00:43:16] <AzumaHazuki> i can't think of any reason i won't pass it, and several pharmacists have said they want me there (one explicitly said she would "raise Hell" if I'm not passed)
[00:43:16] <Runaway1956> What would she segue into though?
[00:43:34] <Bytram> so, on the 14th, you are officially off prob.?
[00:43:35] <AzumaHazuki> but my life's been one series of unpleasant surprises and injustices after another so who knows WTF
[00:43:40] <AzumaHazuki> one way or another yes
[00:44:48] <AzumaHazuki> all i know is, anyone who'd get rid of a worker like me is incompetent to the point of deserving to be fired. i do 2 peoples' work easily
[00:46:20] <Bytram> Sure looks like it from here!
[00:46:32] <Bytram> ut sometimes there's more to a job than just productivity and meeting/beating the numbers/goals.
[00:46:39] <Bytram> s/^/B/
[00:46:39] <SedBot> <Bytram> But sometimes there's more to a job than just productivity and meeting/beating the numbers/goals.
[00:47:10] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i'm never going to win a popularity contest, but we're all getting along on nights and the pharmacists like me so...
[00:47:20] <Bytram> I used to struggle terribly with my "soft" skills.
[00:47:25] <Bytram> good good.
[00:47:30] <Bytram> break time
[00:47:31] <AzumaHazuki> i hate days though, jesus. too many people and most of them are frankly not good at their jobs
[00:47:50] <AzumaHazuki> night people (guess who) end up doing a good chunk of what afternoon/evening shift should have
[00:48:47] <c0lo> They'll do you the favor of nightshifts... and cut from your wage for the priviledge. (grin)
[00:49:55] <AzumaHazuki> it sounds nuts, but i can't be around more than a dozen people or so. too much mental static, and walking between people feels like going through some kind of staticky spiderweb
[00:51:53] <AzumaHazuki> that's actually a major reason i wanted to do nights: fewer people, more necessity for free-form schedule and independent judgment calls, and it's much quieter
[00:57:38] <c0lo> Even easier to WFH, then. Telepharmacy?
[00:57:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Third of Rivers in US Found to be Changing From Blue to Green and Yellow - https://sylnt.us
[00:58:11] <AzumaHazuki> no, this is a very physical job
[00:58:17] <AzumaHazuki> i'm in motion almost the entire 8 hours
[00:58:48] <AzumaHazuki> we have 2 pharmacists and 2 techs, a rounder and an "IV stayback"
[01:03:57] <Bytram> Makes perfectly good sense to me. I was working a project at IBM. They were about to introduce their 3090 mainframe; the biggest fastest computer they'd ever made. We were working on porting the VM operating system to it. I was in the testing dept. and needed solo access to the machine as did my other team members. Periodically we would have shift selection meetings. I'd grab whatever 1st shifts I could, but more importantly every 3rd
[01:03:57] <Bytram> shift I could (not much demand for that!) Then I'd trade my 1st shifts for other's 3rd shifts. Ended up staying entirely on 3rd shift (instead of bouncing around). No interruptions. No trouble finding parking spaces. Quick commute.
[01:06:44] <AzumaHazuki> thankfully i'm on permanent night shift. no bouncing around
[01:07:16] <Bytram> Everything was hush-hush confidential. Documents were individually numbered and tracked: "Registered Confidential". If Security, in walking around ever found onof those docs on your desk, it was ground for immediate dismissal.
[01:08:12] <Bytram> Not too bad a gig for a guy just out of college?
[01:09:56] <AzumaHazuki> jeez, and i thought dealing with running around with schedule II drugs to load in the Pyxis machines was stressful
[01:11:43] <chromas> Did you say they're running Windows 10 on those?
[01:12:02] <AzumaHazuki> Win10 IoT, and this is apparently the industry standard
[01:12:12] <Bytram> Oh, and it was a "Bet the company" deal -- huge $$ went into the design, planning, development, marketing, testing, pubs, everything. If we slipped our schedules, it was a Very Not Good Thing.
[01:12:37] * AzumaHazuki has to stand still and mumble "not my circus, not my monkeys" whenever Windows messes stuff up
[01:12:42] <Bytram> =g IBM 3090
[01:12:43] <chromas> Testing, huh. I remember when that used to be a thing
[01:12:43] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - IBM 3090 - Wikipedia
[01:15:38] <Bytram> at the time, an IBM 3080 multi-processor (2 processors) gave the performance of about 1.6 processors (IIRC) -- when they were costing $millions each, the customers were not thrilled with the performance. So, we were also trying to work in a bunch of optimizations at the same time.
[01:18:42] <Bytram> I want to say they were BiCMOS(?) (something starting with the letter 'B') that ran so hot, they were water-cooled.
[01:21:46] <AzumaHazuki> yikes
[01:23:26] <c0lo> A technology that gained steam at the time, eh?
[01:23:55] <Bytram> Testing? Yes. Some early releases of VM that were trying to run on two processors were not entirely re-entrant coding safe. Crashed a lot. That ended to upset customers. Quickest, safest fix was to grab a lock before entering a stretch of code (and basically stopping the other processor) and not releasing the lock until one reached the end of processing in that section. Net result was performance s*ck*d.
[01:24:47] <c0lo> =w bicmos
[01:24:48] <systemd> Bipolar CMOS (BiCMOS) is a semiconductor technology that integrates two formerly separate semiconductor technologies, those of the bipolar junction transistor - https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:26:11] <c0lo> Ahhh, I get it. The combination of a lower switching speed of cmos with the high current losses of BJT.
[01:26:36] <Bytram> So, the function test dept reviewed the design specs for the code improvements, and the function specs, and system specs, and the unit tests, and then finally the actual code -- before we even had a chance to run our tests (which also had to have designs, and specs, and reviews).
[01:27:18] <Bytram> Hence the need for water-cooling.
[01:28:10] <AzumaHazuki> what happens if you open a vial of olanzapine and pour it all over a bipolar junction transistor?
[01:29:15] <c0lo> It gets a dry mouth?
[01:29:45] <Bytram> it calms down!
[01:29:52] * c0lo prefers vodka for the purpose
[01:30:25] * Bytram notes that c0lo took a good shot at an answer
[01:32:10] * c0lo reads other side effects and decides there must be safer ways to get man boobs
[01:32:49] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, the entire class of antipsychotic meds scares the hell out of me
[01:33:09] <AzumaHazuki> there are some parts of pharmacological practice i hope i never get involved with and am sure there are better alternatives to
[01:34:55] <Bytram> tricyclics?
[01:35:20] <AzumaHazuki> those can be pretty awful too
[01:35:33] <Bytram> IIRC, they were some of the earliest meds for psych issues
[01:35:35] <AzumaHazuki> they're used more for certain types of pain and migraine disorder than for depression nowadays i notice
[01:36:16] <Bytram> makes sense, now that we have SRIs and other newer meds
[01:36:16] * AzumaHazuki suspects that (nor-)epinephrine and dopamine have more to do with depression than serotonin, and that GABA and NMDA are involved more than people think
[01:37:14] <Bytram> that sounds reasonable to me.
[01:37:18] <AzumaHazuki> this would explain why bupropion (wellbutrin etc) helps. it's a dopamine/norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor as opposed to an SSRI
[01:37:34] <Bytram> scientificmethod++
[01:37:35] <Bender> karma - scientificmethod: 1
[01:38:14] <Bytram> thanks for the gentle correction: SSRI, that's what I meant!
[01:41:05] <AzumaHazuki> i am rather skeptical of the serotonin hypothesis of depression
[01:41:22] <AzumaHazuki> it sounds like the tail wagging the dog: depression could cause low 5-HT* levels rather than the other way
[01:55:03] <FatPhil> !gmornin AzumaHazuki
[01:55:38] <FatPhil> scientificmethod++
[01:55:38] <Bender> karma - scientificmethod: 2
[01:55:39] <FatPhil> scientificmethod++
[01:55:39] <Bender> karma - scientificmethod: 3
[01:55:50] <FatPhil> needs at least 2
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[02:10:56] <FatPhil> OI! here, not elections
[02:12:48] <FatPhil> Anyway, Anne Dudley is a fantasic composer who did indeed take part in the early-80s synth revolution.
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[02:29:31] <FatPhil_> well that didn't work
[02:30:56] <FatPhil_> I mosly blame mplayer
[02:33:18] <AzumaHazuki> time for work. i invite people, Runaway specifically, to look up Brandenburg vs Ohio for some legal wrangling that is very likely going to be relevant very, very soon
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[03:57:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> my turn
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[03:59:27] -!- mode/#soylent [-v TheMightyBuzzard] by Deucalion
[03:59:37] <Deucalion> Abuse of power!
[04:00:11] -!- mode/#soylent [+v TheMightyBuzzard] by Deucalion
[04:01:16] <Deucalion> I was just walking Bytram through something. #soylent may not have been the ideal place to do that I accept. Mea Culpa!
[04:01:56] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!!
[04:05:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #sammich Deucalion
[04:05:42] * MrPlow sneaks up behind Deucalion and cuts their throat
[04:05:42] * MrPlow fixes thinly sliced Deucalion's corpse sammiches for everyone in #soylent
[04:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> bots: when boring old mode changes just aren't entertaining enough
[04:07:33] * Deucalion inserts sammich in gaping throat.... this is fine... didn't need my head having a blood supply anyway, not like there is a brain or somesuch in there, I keep it elsewhere... mostly in a shoe box under my bed for safe keeping. Does everyone else do this?
[04:08:29] <Deucalion> Whe did MrPlow give me two sammiches? I is special? :D
[04:08:35] <Deucalion> Why*
[04:08:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> did he?
[04:09:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can have mine if you need another. i had sketti earlier and am pretty stuffed.
[04:09:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> according to most folks you ask, i keep my brain in my pants. front or back depends on who you ask.
[04:11:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> shows what they know though. i keep them in the freezer. it's how everything i think of to say is so cool.
[04:13:07] <Deucalion> <TheMightyBuzzard> #sammich Deucalion
[04:13:08] <Deucalion> * MrPlow sneaks up behind Deucalion and cuts their throat
[04:13:08] <Deucalion> * MrPlow fixes thinly sliced Deucalion's corpse sammiches for everyone in #soylent
[04:13:12] <Deucalion> I got 2!
[04:14:16] <Deucalion> Oh wait... 2 lines, 1 sammich... now I feel hungry... I'll eat my own entrails, that way I'll be forever replete!
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[04:35:38] -!- mode/#soylent [+v requerdanos] by Aphrodite
[05:46:34] * Runaway1956 enjoys sammiches
[05:46:48] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[05:46:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5446
[05:46:52] <Runaway1956> sammich++
[05:46:52] <Bender> karma - sammich: 6
[05:57:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Virtual Girlfriends That Are Sweeping East Asia - https://sylnt.us - https://www.imdb.com
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[08:15:35] <FatPhil> I keep my brain pickled in a jar
[08:15:47] <FatPhil> shoebox sounds like the rats could get to it
[08:16:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pesticide Believed to Kill Bees is Authorised for Use in England - https://sylnt.us
[08:17:18] <FatPhil> pesticide? flame throwers are much more fun, more interactive
[10:28:09] <c0lo> heart warming even
[10:45:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Has Shut Down its Prime Pantry Delivery Service - https://sylnt.us
[11:23:09] <FatPhil> and musk-approved
[11:23:47] <FatPhil> coffee++ oh, boy, did I need this
[11:23:47] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5447
[11:50:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:50:28] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5448
[11:50:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> well of course you did. it's coffee.
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[12:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://hackaday.com
[12:36:37] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[12:37:02] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[12:48:31] <AzumaHazuki> Interesting. And not at all surprising. https://twitter.com
[12:49:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> so what i wanna know is why is nobody ripping on kamala harris for culturally appropriating caesar's accent? is she 1/128th roman or something? https://www.youtube.com
[12:49:24] <systemd> ^ 03Monty Python - Release Brian
[12:50:11] <AzumaHazuki> because no one gives a shit?
[12:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, it's a shitty company regardless. requires a cellphone number and that you click through an eula.
[12:51:12] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, yeah, way to miss the point
[12:51:27] <AzumaHazuki> this is also not at all surprising
[12:52:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, supersedes the point. if it's too crappy to use, doesn't matter who runs it.
[12:52:47] <AzumaHazuki> 9_9
[12:52:59] <AzumaHazuki> whatever. go play with your toys in the corner
[12:53:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> long shift or is this your cheerful shittiness?
[12:53:57] <AzumaHazuki> off, you may fuck. enough of your shit, Yoda has had
[12:54:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> just so long as it ain't baby yoda. that fucker needs to die.
[12:55:58] <AzumaHazuki> bite your tongue, blasphemer
[12:56:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp, perfectly good series that i can't watch because of that little muppet fuck.
[12:57:14] <AzumaHazuki> you just hate everything light and sweet and pure in the world don't you
[12:58:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, i just hate inappropriate, calculated cuteness intended as a money grab
[12:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're talking to a guy who watches more cat videos than most 12 year old girls
[13:00:12] <AzumaHazuki> meh, i haven't seen any of the series but given how many Sarlaacs the franchise has jumped, a little green not-Pikachu mascot is hardly the worst thing about it
[13:01:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> TR says it's really good aside from the muppet. he's more forgiving of muppets but less forgiving of bad writing.
[13:01:43] <c0lo> baby yoda... "light and sweet and pure"... wtf?
[13:03:28] <AzumaHazuki> it's adorable, come on now. not as good as a cat but still
[13:03:40] <AzumaHazuki> speaking of, I may finally be getting one this summer. ...a cat, not a baby Yoda
[13:05:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm holding out for a bobcat. if i'm going to have to deal with the allergies and outliving it, i want it to be able to at least destroy a house cat's primary enemies. you know, dogs, cars, etc...
[13:05:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows PsExec Zero-Day Vulnerability Gets a Free Micropatch - https://sylnt.us - get-your-free-patches-while-they-last!
[13:06:26] <c0lo> if you don't own your home, don't take a cat. Not quite the same responsibility as for a dog, but still...
[13:06:49] <AzumaHazuki> https://apnews.com uhhh...did...did we find runaway?
[13:06:49] <systemd> ^ 03FBI arrests Arkansas man from photo inside Pelosi's office ( https://apnews.com )
[13:06:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> own the church we're remodeling. pleeeeenty of room for a cat there too.
[13:08:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> almost done with the bloody thing. at least up to the livable point. upstairs is mostly untouched and will require a couple years and a whole lot of moneys.
[13:13:31] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[13:13:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://notthebee.com
[13:13:35] <systemd> ^ 03Someone set up a concession stand in the middle of the riot at the U.S. Capitol
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[13:42:22] <fliptop> TheMIghtyBuzzard: Diesel Creek?
[13:45:05] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:45:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5449
[13:51:17] <fliptop> TheMightyBuzzard: https://www.youtube.com
[13:51:19] <systemd> ^ 03ABANDONED CHURCH Renovation!
[14:01:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, time to do some sn adminy work.
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[14:47:17] <Teckla> Lol @ the domestic terrorists crying about being put on the Do Not Fly list
[15:02:04] <Runaway1956> snow
[15:02:19] <Runaway1956> I didn't believe the forecast, but we have an inch of nice fluffy snow
[15:14:25] <Fnord666> Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
[15:14:52] <Fnord666> Teckla - Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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[15:31:17] <Teckla> Fnord666: Amen :)
[15:31:52] <AzumaHazuki> my favorite is the terrorist with the Gadsden flag getting trampled
[15:32:21] <Fnord666> Yeah the irony was strong withthat one
[15:34:26] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: That one made me laugh. I felt a little bad that it amused me.
[15:34:43] <AzumaHazuki> i don't. hope they can straighten her spine out in Hell
[15:35:07] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: You have much hate in you, young one
[15:35:28] <AzumaHazuki> too bad, so sad. play stupid games, win stupid prizes
[15:35:59] <AzumaHazuki> i have no more sympathy left for the festering rot, 70+ million strong, that have doomed this nation. we won't survive another 5 years, maybe not even 2
[15:38:14] <Teckla> I do not see a fix for the radicalization on the right on the horizon. :(
[15:38:38] <Teckla> More and more republican politicians are normalizing belief in conspiracy theories and radicalization.
[15:38:38] <AzumaHazuki> there isn't one. it's over. done. finished. kaput. these idiot revanchists have destroyed the country
[15:39:51] <Teckla> If I were a republican politician, I would be working tirelessly to remove the cancer from my party, but they seem hesitant to do that. Afraid, maybe?
[15:40:29] <AzumaHazuki> evil. stop overanalyzing it. they're evil. they sold their souls, assuming they ever had any
[15:40:35] <Teckla> For example, Trump should already have had the 25th amendment shoved down his throat. The republican party should make it clear such behavior is not acceptable. But it looks like they're going to let it slide.
[15:40:43] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.euronews.com
[15:40:45] <systemd> Submitting "President Trumps platform bans opens debate about freedom of speech"...
[15:41:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03President Trumps Platform Bans Opens Debate About Freedom of Speech" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:43:20] <AzumaHazuki> and here's our very own homegrown example
[15:44:53] <Runaway1956> How many times have you been told that political talk doesn't belong on this channel zoom-zoom?
[15:44:57] <AzumaHazuki> freedom of speech doesn't equal a guarantee of a venue or captive audience, and private companies can do what they like in this regard. too bad, so sad, cry harder
[15:44:59] <Runaway1956> Don't start on me
[15:45:25] <Runaway1956> Bytram will be around shortly with his .quiet
[15:45:32] <AzumaHazuki> your cerebrospinal fluid has replaced the Dead Sea as the saltiest natural body of water on earth
[15:46:17] <Runaway1956> How many years have you been on IRC? Did you discover it this past year?
[15:46:35] <AzumaHazuki> so long ago i don't even remember. early high school?
[15:46:59] <Runaway1956> That was like 2005? Fucking newb.
[15:48:11] <Bytram> =yt children behave
[15:48:12] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Tiffany - I Think We're Alone Now (Official Music Video) (04:26; 66,137,169 views; 👍392,166 👎15,435)
[15:48:41] <AzumaHazuki> did you have a point somewhere with this, Runaway? Aside from the one on top of your head i mean
[15:49:10] <AzumaHazuki> (spoiler alert: of course you didn't)
[15:49:11] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: goading is not a good look for you
[15:49:23] <AzumaHazuki> i know, it's ugly and clashes with my hair :<
[15:49:36] <Bytram> that's better
[15:49:42] <Runaway1956> =submit https://bioengineer.org
[15:49:43] <systemd> Submitting "Liquid metal ink liberates form"...
[15:49:47] * Bytram wishes he had hair
[15:49:53] * AzumaHazuki is willing to be a fashion victim for the greater good of course
[15:50:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Liquid Metal Ink Liberates Form" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:50:11] <Runaway1956> libruls are always victims of course
[15:50:26] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram: and speaking of goading...?
[15:50:30] * Bytram does have a white beard but no inkling that he resembles Gandalf in any capacity
[15:50:49] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: who started it? (look in a mirror)
[15:51:01] <AzumaHazuki> two wrongs don't make a right
[15:51:10] <AzumaHazuki> come on now, that's kindergarten-level stuff here
[15:51:28] <requerdanos> three rights make a left
[15:52:01] <Bytram> If this was your first visit to IRC on soylentnews, is this the greeting and kind of conversation you'd like to see?
[15:52:05] * Runaway1956 wonders if he can get the short bus to come pick him up
[15:52:09] <Runaway1956> https://nypost.com
[15:52:10] <systemd> ^ 03Special ed teacher turns top OnlyFans sex star: ‘I’m changing lives’
[15:52:30] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[15:52:31] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 19
[15:52:48] <Runaway1956> lookit the muscles in her thighs
[15:52:49] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram...honestly now. look at the world around you. look at who's here right now. do you truly think this is the time for this milquetoast, hollow civility fetish?
[15:53:07] <AzumaHazuki> you're the only admin staff i respect. let's keep it that way huh?
[15:53:29] <Runaway1956> If I may make a point Azuma, there are two channels dedicated to political talk, which are pretty much ungoverned
[15:53:42] <requerdanos> Hey! I also fancy civility.
[15:53:48] <Bytram> directions to my college: head north, go under bridge onramp, turn left, go one block, turn left, go one block, turn left onto onramp.
[15:53:50] <Runaway1956> and you choose to confine all your hatred and poison to this one channel
[15:54:10] <AzumaHazuki> you don't know from hate, Runaway. if you think this is hate you have a sheltered life
[15:54:26] <Runaway1956> other channel zoommie
[15:54:37] <AzumaHazuki> there is nothing hateful in calling out evil for what it is. if the light burns you, it's your fault
[15:54:54] <AzumaHazuki> that's not even politics
[15:55:10] <Runaway1956> Sir Bytram will deal with you - eventually
[15:55:20] <AzumaHazuki> "wait till my daddy gets home"!
[15:55:30] <requerdanos> TMI
[15:55:47] <Bytram> maybe #shitlords then? I dont care where, just not here.
[15:55:57] <AzumaHazuki> "Sir" Bytram, lol. What an ass-kisser. if you respected him at all you wouldn't bother with this fawning obsequeous display of verbal fellatio
[15:56:04] * AzumaHazuki decides to just sit back and watch the insanity
[15:56:15] <Bytram> that's enough
[15:56:34] <Runaway1956> Hey!!!! Gorby is still around!
[15:56:40] <Runaway1956> https://www.rt.com
[15:56:42] <systemd> ^ 03Ex-Soviet nations would have found it easier to become democracies if USSR still existed in some form, laments Gorbachev
[15:57:05] * Bytram sees Runaway1956 making a genuine effort to remain civil
[15:57:31] <AzumaHazuki> didn't Jesus say something about whited sepulchres at some point...?
[15:57:51] * Runaway1956 stayed up late last night looking up "civility" in the dictionary
[15:58:02] <AzumaHazuki> a thin veneer of civility has no moral bearing on the content under it. civility means shit. tone is nothing. content is king.
[15:58:23] <AzumaHazuki> this is, again, not political: it's an obvious truth, or SHOULD be
[15:59:09] <Runaway1956> this was an unsatisfactory search
[15:59:14] <Runaway1956> https://duckduckgo.com
[15:59:15] <systemd> ^ 03house train your IRC noob at DuckDuckGo ( https://html.duckduckgo.com )
[15:59:29] <AzumaHazuki> well of course, how can you train yourself?
[16:00:30] <Runaway1956> https://www.themoscowtimes.com
[16:00:32] <systemd> ^ 03Russia to Trial 'Light' One-Dose Version of Sputnik Jab - The Moscow Times
[16:01:40] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.thedrive.com
[16:01:41] <systemd> Submitting "VW Once Built a Supercharged, Two-Cylinder Diesel Hatchback to Crack 78 MPG"...
[16:02:03] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03VW Once Built a Supercharged, Two-Cylinder Diesel Hatchback to Crack 78 MPG" (0p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:09:13] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.vice.com
[16:09:15] <systemd> Submitting "You Can Now Easily Download All CIA UFO Documents to Date"...
[16:09:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03You Can Now Easily Download All CIA UFO Documents to Date" (13p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:10:24] <Runaway1956> Why did they call it the "black vault"? Isn't that racisssss?
[16:12:55] <Runaway1956> https://www.theblackvault.com
[16:12:58] <systemd> ^ 03UFOs: The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) Collection - The Black Vault
[16:13:14] <Runaway1956> has a huge list of completely non-descriptively titled PDFs
[16:13:14] -!- mode/#soylent [+o requerdanos] by Bytram
[16:16:40] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[16:16:42] <systemd> Submitting "Exclusive: Chinese regulators to push tech giants to share consumer credit data - sources"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[16:17:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Exclusive: Chinese Regulators to Push Tech Giants to Share Consumer Credit Data - Sources" (25p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:17:18] <AzumaHazuki> sad it's all come to this...
[16:17:32] <AzumaHazuki> i kind of wonder what's going to rise out of the ashes, and if i'll be around to see it
[16:18:32] -!- mode/#soylent [+o Fnord666] by Bytram
[16:18:39] -!- mode/#soylent [+o chromas] by Bytram
[16:18:49] -!- mode/#soylent [+o FatPhil] by Bytram
[16:18:58] <FatPhil> Oh noes, now chaos ensues!
[16:18:59] -!- mode/#soylent [+o janrinok] by Bytram
[16:19:12] <FatPhil> triplechaos!
[16:19:34] <AzumaHazuki> you know, maybe this just means i've outgrown SN :/ maybe i did a while ago and was staying for the STEM. who knows?
[16:20:35] <FatPhil> I think I've outgrown STEM - most tech stuff is just plain stupid nowadays.
[16:21:11] <AzumaHazuki> so what the hell's left? watching the country devolve into a shambling shitstorm?
[16:21:47] <AzumaHazuki> i for one am never giving up on science, at least insofar as it comports with observable reality. i've seen it save lives and contributed to that myself
[16:21:56] <FatPhil> My favourites are rights related, and environment related, as they dovetail ethics and politics
[16:22:06] <AzumaHazuki> you may be on the wrong site for that, TBH
[16:22:30] <AzumaHazuki> more and more i wonder if it isn't time for the feds to get a good long look at this place, assuming they haven't already
[16:23:29] <FatPhil> they'd be wasting their time, what you're worried about is only noise, not signal.
[16:24:02] <FatPhil> At the end of the day, people do still have the right to be wrong.
[16:24:03] <Runaway1956> Is this tech or porn?
[16:24:08] <Runaway1956> https://gizmodo.com
[16:24:09] <systemd> ^ 03The Taint Bandaid Is Real Now
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[16:24:29] <AzumaHazuki> i've had an awful fucking shift and can't seem to sleep
[16:24:56] <AzumaHazuki> so maybe i'm seeing things darker than they actually are. but good goddess, the last few days...and years...have been demoralizing
[16:25:38] <Runaway1956> You see EVERYTHING twenty shades darker than reality all the time
[16:25:51] <Runaway1956> which is why you are leaving America
[16:26:45] <SoyCow2656> are you guys married?
[16:26:59] <FatPhil> Electrodes to the genitals? Well, I won't judge it until I've tested it - for science!
[16:27:38] <AzumaHazuki> not yet. i'm waiting until i get to Canada to marry Lisa, mostly because she's likely getting there first
[16:28:46] <FatPhil> I interpreted that as a Q about Runaway1956 and yourself - the constant arguing was a bit of an sign! ;-p
[16:29:20] <Runaway1956> The roll-up tablet phone is here
[16:29:21] <SoyCow2656> I meant to each other
[16:29:29] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[16:29:31] <systemd> Submitting "LG's rollable phone is a tantalizing response to Samsung's foldables"...
[16:29:35] <AzumaHazuki> don't even joke about that. i'm gay and he can't keep a relationship going without spending most of his time far away from the wife
[16:29:47] <Runaway1956> I'm the man she wants to be, so she can't leave me alone
[16:29:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03LG's Rollable Phone is a Tantalizing Response to Samsung's Foldables" (8p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:30:08] <AzumaHazuki> and why the assumption that married coupls have to have these knock down drag out fights? something is seriously wrong in the relationship if that happens
[16:30:19] <AzumaHazuki> Lisa and I have never in 8 years even gotten into a heated shouting match
[16:30:29] <SoyCow2656> man! you two sound like you're joined at the hips!
[16:30:54] <SoyCow2656> you and runaway, that is
[16:31:11] <AzumaHazuki> do you have anything intelligent to add, or are you just trolling?
[16:31:55] <SoyCow2656> actually i was directing more to runaway
[16:32:11] <Runaway1956> Twitter stock crashes after banning Trump
[16:32:25] <SoyCow2656> only 7% right?
[16:32:50] <AzumaHazuki> i can't see what he's typing. i've dumped his seditious ass into the ignore stanza in my irssi config file
[16:32:56] tubesteaktony is now known as soybull
[16:33:08] <AzumaHazuki> it occurs that i need to take my own advice about people who are irredeemable and stop wasting brain cycles on them
[16:33:09] * soybull mounts soycow2656
[16:33:26] <FatPhil> =boner Runaway1956
[16:33:26] <systemd> Runaway1956, I've told you 2 times,I'm obsessed with your boner for some reason!
[16:33:34] <FatPhil> hahah!
[16:34:06] <Runaway1956> You've told me a lot more than 2 times fatphil
[16:34:20] <SoyCow2656> well, the both of you sound like a matched set
[16:34:39] <FatPhil> that's because you've unzipped in public more than 2 times.
[16:35:54] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[16:35:57] <systemd> ^ 03Kar98k | Gun Porn
[16:36:27] <AzumaHazuki> i wouldn't, SoyCow2656, quit my day job for the psychology circuit...or the comedy circuit
[16:36:46] <FatPhil> oh gawd, he'll never put it away
[16:37:06] <Runaway1956> I got it so I can flaunt it fatphil
[16:37:10] <SoyCow2656> here's hoping you don't :-)
[16:37:11] <AzumaHazuki> this "people who fight a lot are secretly in luuuuuuurve hurr hurr gark" trope needs to die. if nothing else, damn did we ever get a hell of a lot of awful slashfic from it
[16:38:12] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[16:38:14] <systemd> ^ 03Little Britain USA: America's Love for Guns
[16:38:49] * Runaway1956 doesn't want to watch a commie fluff piece against guns
[16:39:29] <SoyCow2656> I like guns... the gun powder smells good
[16:39:55] <SoyCow2656> my gp-100 sprays it all over the place
[16:40:01] <Runaway1956> guns are good - people are bad
[16:40:41] <SoyCow2656> when i use CCIs the powder comes out in chunks
[16:40:59] <SoyCow2656> kinda stings my hands
[16:41:04] <FatPhil> I'd see a doctor, you sound dehydrated
[16:42:04] <Runaway1956> how old are the CCIs?
[16:42:33] <SoyCow2656> they were brand new. very cheap round, aluminum casing
[16:42:33] <Runaway1956> Old ammo stored in humid environments tends to degrade
[16:43:19] <SoyCow2656> tell me! the surplus .223 tracers hardly work!
[16:43:54] <Runaway1956> Tracers work best in the dark - were you using them in daylight?
[16:44:43] <SoyCow2656> please! what the hell is the matter with you? no, i aim them at the sun... sheesh!
[16:45:06] <Runaway1956> just asking - geez louise
[16:45:35] <Runaway1956> and yes, there are people who would aim them at the sun, just visit Youtube and watch some of the idiots demonstrating their idiocy
[16:47:20] <AzumaHazuki> ugh, i feel like shit
[16:48:03] <SoyCow2656> we shoot big balloons full of acetylene and oxygen out in the bogs... makes a hell of a noise
[16:48:49] <SoyCow2656> drink some ginger tea
[16:49:10] <AzumaHazuki> may as well. i took some magnesium and a valerian cap
[16:49:26] <SoyCow2656> the stuff works like magic for me
[16:49:44] <AzumaHazuki> it's not something i'd thought of as calming exactly
[16:49:54] <AzumaHazuki> maybe some peppermint instead?
[16:49:55] <FatPhil> then add more honey
[16:50:53] <SoyCow2656> nothing put my system at peace like ginger lasts for days... it needs lots of honey too... tastes like hell!
[16:51:15] <Runaway1956> =submit https://phys.org
[16:51:18] <systemd> Submitting "Do as the Romans: Power plant concrete strengthens with time"...
[16:51:20] <FatPhil> chamomile's pretty good. crysantemum even better. lavender good too.
[16:51:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Do as the Romans: Power Plant Concrete Strengthens With Time" (12p) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:52:15] <FatPhil> OOoh, I thought I saw a debunking of some "concrete strengthens" story recently, not sure where and in what context.
[16:52:24] <Runaway1956> If all else fails, a three pound hammer to the head usually puts people to sleep
[16:52:40] <SoyCow2656> feels good when you stop
[16:56:30] <Runaway1956> fatphil - I'd be interested in that article debunking Roman concrete growing stronger over time
[16:56:40] <Runaway1956> but I probably wouldn't believe it
[16:57:07] <Runaway1956> Roman concrete, especially immersed in salt water, is supposed to form crystalline structures
[17:01:40] <FatPhil> yeah, this story wasn't about roman concrete, I think it was about the .cn dam that's about to fail...
[17:02:18] <FatPhil> the engineers had worked on the principle that it would harden or strengthen, or something, but the evicence seemed to contradict that
[17:10:57] <AzumaHazuki> i need to find somewhere selling those around here. chamomile is simple enough at least
[17:11:25] <AzumaHazuki> i was out of peppermint, so ginger and allspice had to do
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[17:25:02] <SoyCow2656> i hope you're using real ginger root
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[17:35:50] <AzumaHazuki> i've got root and powder...well, let's try a nap
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[17:41:25] <Ingar> damn I hate mondays
[17:50:22] <SoyCow2656> wanna shoot the whole day down?
[17:51:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> yays! finally found the huge pain in my ass that's been annoying me for months!
[17:52:14] <Runaway1956> Back FatPhil - agreed, there is no modern commercially available concrete that strengthens with time. Anyone who suggests otherwise is running a scam
[17:52:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucked up access.conf
[17:52:36] <Runaway1956> of course, huge government contracts are usually infested with graft and fraud
[17:52:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, untrue on a massive scale
[17:52:54] <Runaway1956> ??
[17:53:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> pretty much all concrete hardens over time
[17:53:24] <Runaway1956> "hardens" as opposed to "strengthens"
[17:53:29] <Ingar> SoyCow2656: fortunatly, the day is over
[17:53:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> both
[17:53:44] <Runaway1956> Hardness is not an indicator of strength
[17:53:51] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[17:54:11] <Runaway1956> Is spalling a problem with concrete?
[17:54:20] <Runaway1956> Roman concrete doesn't spall
[17:54:24] <Ingar> is a strong password not hard?
[17:55:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> know too many cement plant guys. our stuff gets better with age, assuming it's not overstressed and weakened during that time.
[17:55:47] * Runaway1956 disagrees
[17:56:06] <Runaway1956> Once fully cured, concrete gains no additional strength with time
[17:56:24] <Runaway1956> full cure is usually achieved, even in thick pours, within the first year of life
[17:56:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> no it's not
[17:57:00] * Runaway1956 looks for citations
[17:57:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> talk to someone who knows instead of some guy at the coffee shop. i lived around cement plant guys most of my life. chemists, management, hourly, customers. all said the same thing.
[17:58:15] <Runaway1956> https://www.concretenetwork.com
[17:58:16] <systemd> ^ 03Curing Concrete - How Long it Takes & How To Cure - The Concrete Network
[17:58:29] * Runaway1956 has poured a lot of concrete in his life
[17:58:50] <Runaway1956> Biggest single pour was a floating slab supporting a paper rolling machine
[17:59:06] <Runaway1956> took 18 hours just to pump the concrete into the forms
[17:59:17] <Runaway1956> well over 1000 steel embeds in the pour
[17:59:57] <Runaway1956> slab was 4 feet thick at the outer edges, stepped down to 18" at the center, and the paper roller machine sits down inside the floating slab
[18:00:21] <Runaway1956> That slab took a couple months to "cure"
[18:08:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're using different definitions of cure for modern vs roman
[18:14:05] <Runaway1956> I don't see how that is so . . . elaborate?
[18:17:27] <FatPhil> Our company prepared the official English language report into the organisational failures of the not-yet-completed Finnish Olkiluoto unit 3 for presentation to the EU. The curing of concrete was an important part of the cockup.
[18:18:44] <FatPhil> TL;DR - the same concrete cures differently in different countries...
[18:19:28] <Runaway1956> Can that be broken down into more scientific terms like, temperature, humidity, mix recipe, etc?
[18:20:37] <Runaway1956> One shouldn't expect concrete to cure the same way in the Sahara as it does on the Russian steppes
[18:21:08] <Fnord666> Is that due to the additional moisture from the bodies?
[18:22:29] <Runaway1956> yes Fnord666 - moisture is key to curing, throughout the curing process, including that Roman concrete that continues to gain strength after 2000 years
[18:23:15] <FatPhil> "same" clearly implies identical mix recipe - the difference here was mostly temperature
[18:24:03] <Runaway1956> Yes, if I remember correctly, curing pretty much ceases at temps below 40F
[18:24:31] <Runaway1956> would have to look it up, but it definitely slows as the temps drop
[18:25:15] <Runaway1956> temperatures refer to internal temperatures - has little to do with atmospheric temperatures
[18:25:40] <FatPhil> Yup, nailed it - they were done in winter by Poles who simply had no experience of concrete at those temperatures.
[18:26:28] <FatPhil> Use cheap labour - get crappy results. Needed to be undone and completely redone. A great way to work towards tripling the budget. (both time and money)
[18:26:43] <Fnord666> Does the moisture in the concrete "freeze" per se?
[18:27:17] <Runaway1956> One of my stereotypes was wrecked decades ago, when I learned that Mexicans are generally superior concrete workers
[18:27:36] <Runaway1956> It's almost like they are born with an affinity to concrete
[18:28:00] <FatPhil> That nuclear power plant has been called one of the world's most expensive follies, almost everything that could go wrong has gone wrong - it's nowhere near generating its first watt.
[18:28:30] <Fnord666> Something about that statement wants me to take a step or two back
[18:29:02] <Runaway1956> Uhhhhhm, no Fnord - the water doesn't freeze, but the chemical reactions cease for lack of energy to take place
[18:29:06] <Fnord666> s/wants me to/makes me want to/
[18:29:07] <SedBot> <Fnord666> Something about that statement makes me want to take a step or two back
[18:29:29] <Fnord666> @Runaway1956 gotcha.ty.
[18:30:09] <Fnord666> I did know it took a lot longer the colder it was and too hot is bad as well.
[18:31:09] <Runaway1956> I have heard that concrete can get too hot to cure, but those temps are just about unbearable for humans to work in
[18:31:29] <Runaway1956> My opinion, as distinct from science, is that as the temps go up
[18:31:49] <Runaway1956> the water evaporates, eliminating the possibility of the chemical reactions that require water
[18:32:01] <Runaway1956> and that can happen in normal 90 degree weather
[18:32:38] <Runaway1956> It's unlikely that mankind has poured very much concrete at temperatures so high that concrete can no longer cure
[18:36:40] <raxas> Chernobyl?
[18:52:16] <Fnord666> I think it's a matter of it curing too fast and so it doesn't cure properly resulting in structural weakness.
[18:57:52] * Runaway1956 notes that overly fast cures are made obvious by cracking in the concrete
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[21:53:13] <FatPhil> https://finance.yahoo.com
[21:53:18] <systemd> ^ 03Elon Musk Told Twitter to 'Use Signal.' Investors Plowed Into the Wrong one
[21:54:45] <chromas> Can't start the Signal, Mal
[22:00:33] <FatPhil> What's the signal, Kenneth?
[22:19:13] <FatPhil> "Gorillas Test Positive For COVID"
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[23:56:05] <Runaway1956> Surprise supper came out alright
[23:56:29] <Runaway1956> Wife says, "I want you to make some potato soup" for which there is no real recipe
[23:56:57] <Runaway1956> Look in pantry, there's some stupid MRE-like package labeled "Beef Stew"
[23:57:04] <Bytram> =g recipe potatoe soup
[23:57:05] <systemd> https://addapinch.com - Grandmother's Potato Soup Recipe - Add a Pinch
[23:57:11] <Runaway1956> It's been there for months, literally,
[23:57:45] <Runaway1956> So I used that for a starter, added some ground beef and sauteed onions, chop up a buttload of potatoes, and open a can of every veggie in the pantry
[23:57:53] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmmm . . . really not bad
[23:58:39] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah - the cornbread - no "soup" is exactly "finished" until the corn bread is done
[23:59:09] <Runaway1956> But, Bytram, I don't know whose grandmother that was!
[23:59:35] <Runaway1956> I could be violating a cook-right by using somebody else's grandmother's recipe