#soylent | Logs for 2020-12-28
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[00:02:00] <Runaway1956> Where was our buddy Buzzard taking vacation?
[00:02:41] <Runaway1956> https://www.newsrust.com
[00:02:44] <systemd> ^ 03Box Truck Found Playing Similar Audio as RV Christmas Bomb
[00:06:23] <Runaway1956> Anthony QUINN Warner - aka The Mighty Quinn?
[00:06:47] <requerdanos> misspelled, no; mighty, no.
[00:28:42] <Runaway1956> https://sputniknews.com
[00:28:44] <systemd> ^ 03Watch: Kentucky Man Dressed as Cousin Eddie Сleans His Driveway With Flamethrower
[00:29:02] <Runaway1956> Kentucky man, not to be confused with Florida man.
[00:38:25] <FatPhil> or Alabama man
[00:42:39] <FatPhil> Dear sputniknews, С isn't a capital C.
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[00:45:47] <requerdanos> I wondered what "sleaning" a driveway meant
[00:47:29] <Runaway1956> =yt petula clark downtown
[00:47:30] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Petula Clark Downtown. original version (03:03; 15,380,377 views; 👍94,286 👎2,777)
[00:48:48] <Runaway1956> The song blaring from the RV in Nashville when it blew up
[00:54:40] <Runaway1956> =submit https://nypost.com Our plastics problems are solved!!
[00:54:42] <systemd> Submitting "This plastics maker has big companies thirsting for its technology"...
[00:55:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03This Plastics Maker Has Big Companies Thirsting for its Technology" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:55:22] <requerdanos> I thought our plastics problems were of the "microplastics catastrophe" variety
[00:55:31] <Runaway1956> Wouldn't it be just as easy to make bacteria eat the executives of the plastics companies?
[00:55:43] <c0lo> Buy SolarWind stock. Because, hacked or not, in MBA's nervours ganglions there's no alternative https://www.reuters.com
[00:55:44] <systemd> ^ 03'What's the alternative?' SolarWinds boosts security firms' bottom lines
[00:55:49] <requerdanos> same challences either way I guess
[00:58:43] <c0lo> In the meantime https://www.reuters.com
[00:58:44] <systemd> ^ 03U.S. cyber agency says SolarWinds hackers are 'impacting' state, local governments
[00:58:47] <Runaway1956> What's the modern way to say "Bad move, Space Cadet!"
[00:58:51] <Runaway1956> https://www.dailydot.com
[00:58:52] <systemd> ^ 03Girl catches boyfriend saying he wants a new girlfriend for Christmas on doorbell camera
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[01:01:33] <Bytram> =yt "Bad move Space Cadet"
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[01:01:34] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Bad Move, Space Cadet! (04:21; 98 views; 👍3 👎0)
[01:01:57] <Bytram> =yt "Bad move Space Cadet" galaga
[01:01:58] <systemd> https://youtube.com - GORF 1981 HD (03:58; 11,982 views; 👍86 👎2)
[01:02:17] <Bytram> nearly 4 minutes?
[01:07:03] <AzumaHazuki> this journal box thing is bizarre...is there some sort of "sanitize_unicode" function in the PHP or Perl or whatever's running the forum that can make sure only "safe" text gets saved to the DB?
[01:08:48] <AzumaHazuki> not that i expect the problem to be in any one of the actual posts, even if in Portuguese. But i do wonder if something on the backend is having trouble with it
[01:10:31] <Runaway1956> Huh - just thought of something - will Covid-19 cause some of the mega-huge school systems to break up into the older smaller school systems?
[01:10:59] <AzumaHazuki> also, it looks like the majority of journal entries are spam. isn't there some way of cutting down on that crap? especially because one has to register an account to make journal entries?
[01:11:30] <Runaway1956> create a rule that no journal entries until you've made 10 or 20 posts on the main board?
[01:11:46] <Runaway1956> Variations on that rule all over the internet
[01:11:52] <requerdanos> that just sounds like encouraging spam with extra steps
[01:12:07] <AzumaHazuki> the lameness filter should bounce most of it though
[01:12:12] <AzumaHazuki> there's no such thing for journals
[01:12:38] <Runaway1956> create lameness filter, with criteria like I've stated
[01:12:42] <requerdanos> yeah, lame journal entries are okay, that's essentially the desired place for lame things
[01:13:20] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram: each user account in the SQL database has a "postcount" variable or similar right? I would DELETE from JOURNAL_POSTS where USER = * and POSTCOUNT <=19 or so (that's pseudocode, i haven't SQL'd in years)
[01:13:27] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: for Unicode; it was relative early in the site's history, but I checked every single user input field I could find. Had suites of Unicode chars, as well as testing hex numeric character entities, decimal numeric character entities, and named character entities
[01:14:01] <AzumaHazuki> nice and thorough then :) okay, so it's not likely unsanitary input causing this. i'd hope we would be better than that anyway
[01:14:13] <Runaway1956> What's that mean Bytram - someone testing the system for exploits?
[01:15:09] <Bytram> Has already been discussed -- got HUGE pushback. We do not delete or block a user's ability to post on the site. Exception: DMCA violation or a court order
[01:15:34] <Runaway1956> kk
[01:15:36] <requerdanos> perhaps SPAM would make a nice addition to that list
[01:16:02] <Bytram> I pushed hard on it, too. Decided I was not going to win that battle, then. Decided to step back and try again later.
[01:16:11] <requerdanos> in that it takes resources away from the community with no corresponding benefit
[01:16:24] <Runaway1956> Is it later yet?
[01:16:35] <Bytram> requerdanos: we're talking about what people write in their journal. Not comments.
[01:16:51] * Runaway1956 was the kid in the back seat, "Are we there yet?"
[01:17:03] <AzumaHazuki> butbutbutbut FREEZE PEACH!!!! It's cEnSoRsHiP! we HAVE to let the bots advertise discount v1@gr4 or we're fasciiiiiist
[01:17:05] <Bytram> well, by definition, I'd say "yes"
[01:17:16] <requerdanos> I mean spam journal entries, yes
[01:17:33] <Bytram> pretty much wide open.
[01:17:44] <c0lo> You know "Dick Niggers, we never fuckin no old pussy." much help did it do to lameness filters.
[01:17:47] <AzumaHazuki> seriously, Runaway has one good idea every 6 months or so and that was it. i'd implement it. 20 posts on the forum before you can journal
[01:18:22] <requerdanos> Is this spam? it
[01:18:31] <requerdanos> is selling medicine to increase breast size: https://soylentnews.org
[01:18:32] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of evanjayce (13513)
[01:18:45] <AzumaHazuki> it's like a lock -- keeps out the stupid, weak, and lazy, which is exactly what an r-type strategy like spamming is
[01:18:47] <Runaway1956> There's a buttload of spam in the journals
[01:18:54] <Runaway1956> or a spamload of butt
[01:20:10] <Bytram> we had a case early on where someone was put up the lyrics to several songs. And then some more, and then some more. Big brou ha ha. Could not reach out to the user with any of the contact info we had. Took a week or two (IIRC) to finally get hold of 'em. Got them deleted. Seems they wanted a place where they could get to them easily for when they were singing on the street to make a few bucks for dinner.
[01:21:24] <Bytram> I suggested minimum Karma to post. Got shot down. By more than one person, too.
[01:21:28] <Runaway1956> That sounds almost like MDC, may he sing in the streets wherever he is
[01:21:54] <Bytram> Wasn't a fight I felt like putting any more effort into at the time.
[01:21:55] <Runaway1956> Well, since a new user starts with zero karma, that one seems self defeating?
[01:22:53] <requerdanos> and I'd rather see idiotic opinions that keep getting modded down channeled into journal entires rather than yet more further idiotic comments
[01:23:24] <Bytram> the idea being you needed a minimum karma to post anything to your journal. Spammers who just wanted to post, well, spam to their journal would have to earn some karma before they could.
[01:23:52] <Runaway1956> Yeah, that sounds about right - I could like that
[01:24:04] <Bytram> ATM, create a new account and you can journal.
[01:24:09] <requerdanos> I get it, I just sort of see the journals as a space where even unpopular stuff can go.
[01:24:13] <Deucalion> All new users should start at -100. They get + 50 if they can provide evidence they attended one of the right schools.
[01:24:18] <requerdanos> unpopular stuff, yes; spam, no.
[01:25:02] <Runaway1956> What about those of us who didn't go to school, you insensitive clod!
[01:25:21] <Runaway1956> Some of us grew up before schools were invented!
[01:25:23] <Bytram> we do have a Spam mod that hits a user's karma pretty hard. -10 points IIRC, but that only applied to *comments* that are moderated as spam.
[01:25:45] <requerdanos> sure, journal entires are articles/stories and as such not subject to comment moderation
[01:26:02] <Bytram> they can spam their journal to their heart's content -- no consequences
[01:26:14] <Deucalion> Oh
[01:26:26] <requerdanos> well, as your journal search link earlier has spotlighted, that
[01:26:43] <requerdanos> is exactly what many people are doing with journal entries :)
[01:27:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Approves NYSE Listing Plan to Cut Out Wall Street Middlemen - https://sylnt.us - damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-dont
[01:27:24] <Runaway1956> Please clarify - are those spam journal entries impacting the site?
[01:27:43] <AzumaHazuki> i think i'm on the same page as runaway here: no journals till you've invested 10 or 20 posts into the forums, and good ones, not bullshit spam and trolls
[01:27:57] <Deucalion> I was just dicking about..... not a serious suggestion. Runaway1956, never take me seriously.
[01:28:00] <requerdanos> they impact to some extent, using storage, cpu cycles, and bandwidth.
[01:28:30] <Runaway1956> lol, was also kidding deucalion - they did have schools before I was born,
[01:28:53] <Runaway1956> at least 4 or 5 years before I was born
[01:29:22] <Deucalion> WWelll fuck you then....
[01:29:24] <Deucalion> :D
[01:29:40] <Bytram> and reputation. They can then send out spam emails that link to content that they can host on our site for free. Trashes out site's reputation on the 'net.
[01:29:40] <Deucalion> I had an educstio
[01:30:03] <Bytram> that's easy for ewe to say
[01:30:04] <Runaway1956> hmmmm . . .
[01:30:10] <Deucalion> :D
[01:30:15] <Deucalion> Mad you pause
[01:30:20] <Deucalion> e*
[01:30:30] * Deucalion jiggles...
[01:30:40] <Bytram> that's a pawsitive outcome
[01:31:00] <Deucalion> wear a mask
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[02:40:01] <Bytram> =yt behind the mask fleetwood mac
[02:40:02] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Behind the Mask (04:19; 59,380 views; 👍595 👎70)
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[02:54:03] <AzumaHazuki> yay, not working tonight
[02:54:06] <AzumaHazuki> i got a little confused
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[03:43:50] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[03:43:52] <systemd> ^ 03Bobby Gentry - Ode to Billy Joe
[04:07:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Leaked Documents Show How China’s Army of Paid Internet Trolls Helped Censor the Coronavirus - https://sylnt.us
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[05:40:31] <Runaway1956> That assless pajama article - someone should push it onto the front page, IMO
[05:40:44] <Runaway1956> and, here's a little something to help with fingerprinting
[05:40:57] <Runaway1956> https://chrome.google.com
[05:40:58] <systemd> ^ 03Chrome Web Store
[05:41:30] <Runaway1956> after installing those, my hashes do change with every page reload
[06:35:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What is Microsoft Doing With Linux? Everything You Need to Know About Its Plans for Open Source - https://sylnt.us - love-your-enemy
[06:47:16] <AzumaHazuki> the same thing it does with everything it touches: hanging it up on a meathook, torturefucking it 2/3 to death, then gutting it with a chainsaw, sticking an alien parasite in it, sewing it up with barbed wire, and brainwashing what remains
[06:47:21] <AzumaHazuki> embrace, extend, extinguish
[06:55:23] <chromas> Apple should start doing that
[06:55:27] <chromas> They can call it iEEE
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[09:16:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How State Cannabis Legalization Became a Boon for Corruption - https://sylnt.us
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[11:34:24] <aristarchus_> No response, ignorant moron, again.
[11:34:52] <aristarchus_> Actually, just testing that I was live.
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[11:46:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM Will Pay $24.25 Million to Resolve FCC Probes - https://sylnt.us - pleased-to-pay-millions-despite-acting-appropriately
[12:20:06] <FatPhil> Maybe you're in a quantum superposition of being alive and being dead at the same time.
[12:38:53] <AzumaHazuki> why are companies allowed to settle? this should be illegal
[12:38:58] <AzumaHazuki> if found guilty they pay the penalties
[12:40:48] <FatPhil> well, the settlement should be the same as what statutory damages would be.
[12:41:03] <AzumaHazuki> why have it then?
[12:41:18] <FatPhil> to avoid the punitive damages
[12:41:49] <AzumaHazuki> that's bullshit though. this shouldn't be allowed
[12:42:07] <AzumaHazuki> ordinary people lose their livelihoods on just being sued or accused of doing something criminal
[12:42:35] <FatPhil> an efficient system would work that way, but the US is a corporatocracy, and is optimised in favour of the biggest businesses.
[12:51:32] <FatPhil> https://www.rt.com
[12:51:34] <systemd> ^ 03St. Nicholas a super-spreader? Tragedy in Belgium as 18 die at nursing home after visit by corona-infected Santa
[13:05:05] <aristarchus_> Halibut is a flat fish. No responsibility, eyes only on one side. Mouth funny.
[13:13:52] <requerdanos> congrats on your submission making the front page
[13:13:59] <aristarchus_> aristarchus has been here since the beginning, and is beginning to feel like the beginning was not the beginning. T-minus Infinity?
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[14:08:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mitsubishi Heavy to Build Biggest Zero-Carbon Steel Plant - https://sylnt.us - hydrogen-is-the-future
[15:00:26] <Runaway1956> Holy shit - every 9th headline this morning is Lori Laughlin
[15:00:35] <Runaway1956> she should fall into a black hole somewhere
[15:43:40] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[15:43:42] <systemd> Submitting "The poison found in everyone, even unborn babies – and who is responsible for it"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[15:44:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Poison Found in Everyone, Even Unborn Babies – and Who is Responsible for It" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:44:22] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.intelligentliving.co
[15:44:22] <systemd> Runaway1956, 04submit failed: Parse failed
[15:45:16] <Runaway1956> =submit https://wentworthreport.com
[15:45:18] <systemd> Submitting "2-Acre Vertical Farm Run By AI And Robots Out-Produces 720-Acre Flat Farm"...
[15:45:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "032-Acre Vertical Farm Run by AI and Robots Out-Produces 720-Acre Flat Farm" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:45:54] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[15:45:56] <systemd> Submitting "Why you're hounded by pop-ups about cookies, and how they could go away"...
[15:46:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Why You're Hounded by Pop-ups About Cookies, and How They Could Go Away" (23 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:46:27] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[15:46:29] <systemd> Submitting ""Picking Quarrels & Provoking Trouble" - China Slams Journalist With 4 Years In Jail Over COVID Reporting"...
[15:46:51] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08"Picking Quarrels & Provoking Trouble" - China Slams Journalist With 4 Years in Jail Over COVID Repo" (30 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:47:35] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.phoronix.com
[15:47:37] <systemd> Submitting "Linux 5.11-rc1 Released - Many New Features While Dominated By AMD Header Additions - Phoronix"...
[15:47:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Linux 5.11-rc1 Released - Many New Features While Dominated by AMD Header Additions - Phoronix" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:49:06] <Runaway1956> =submit https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com
[15:49:08] <systemd> Submitting "Himalayas act like an ‘aerosol factory’: Study - Times of India"...
[15:49:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Himalayas Act Like an ‘Aerosol Factory’: Study - Times of India" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:49:43] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.educationviews.org
[15:49:46] <systemd> Submitting "No Governments Have Isolated COVID-19 Virus–What Does That Mean?"...
[15:50:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03No Governments Have Isolated COVID-19 Virus–What Does That Mean?" (98 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[16:37:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This Plastics Maker has Big Companies Thirsting for its Technology - https://sylnt.us
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[19:06:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Trump Signs $900 Billion Pandemic Relief Bill - https://sylnt.us - Hang-in-there
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[21:21:02] <Runaway1956_> Good day, aristarchus_flat
[21:33:47] <Bytram> =g NYSE
[21:33:48] <systemd> https://www.nyse.com - NYSE: The New York Stock Exchange
[21:33:59] <Bytram> =g quote:NYSE
[21:34:00] <systemd> https://www.nyse.com - NYSE
[21:53:16] <Runaway1956_> https://www.upi.com
[21:53:17] <systemd> ^ 03Virginia man finds stolen 1969 Camaro after 17 years
[21:56:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We are Summoning the GaNFET!!! - https://sylnt.us
[22:12:42] <Runaway1956_> Ouch - dude allergic to penicillin has reaction to COVID vax
[22:12:54] <Runaway1956_> https://www.jpost.com
[22:12:54] <systemd> ^ 0349-year-old man struck with an anaphylactic shock after COVID-19 vaccine
[22:13:05] <Runaway1956_> story is just a short blurb, no details
[22:18:31] <Runaway1956_> https://lifehacker.com
[22:18:32] <systemd> ^ 03How to Give Your Cat a Bath
[22:18:51] <Runaway1956_> If your cat needs a bath, I suggest you just move, and don't tell him where you're moving to
[22:19:20] <Runaway1956_> Might be easiest to send him to summer vacation, and move while he's gone
[22:24:33] <FatPhil> Ahhh, google translates the .ee for couscous back into .en as 'piss'. Either that, or tomorrow's lunch specials are special interest only.
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[22:41:26] <c0lo> bytram (and the others), I don't know if you know it already but the "journal rot" advances...
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[22:42:40] <c0lo> ... when I reply to a comment in my journal, the journal entry text comes all empty.
[22:48:21] <Bytram> c0lo: yes, TMB gave up trying to debug things using a borrowed Win 10 laptop with a chiclet keyboard and tiny screen... we're just going to have to let journals limp along until he returns.
[22:50:06] <Bytram> Best idea is to stay away from journals until then; we're getting transaction timeouts when trying to access that table
[22:50:33] <Bytram> Like, it's happening every 2-5 seconds.
[22:52:58] <c0lo> Ok. Fingers crossed TMB doesn't get rona.
[23:03:19] <Runaway1956_> The rona has crossed species to buzzards?
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[23:55:29] <Runaway1956_> https://babylonbee.com
[23:55:30] <systemd> ^ 03Nation's CEOs Beg Ocasio-Cortez To Start A Boycott Against Them
[23:55:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What is Microsoft Doing with Linux? Everything You Need to Know about its Plans for Open Source - https://sylnt.us - love-your-enemy