#soylent | Logs for 2020-12-26
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[00:30:57] <Runaway1956_> Must be getting old - I've overeaten a little today, but haven't grossly overeaten.
[00:31:32] <Runaway1956_> Haven't even had a slice of pie or other desserts.
[00:32:24] <Runaway1956_> Oh, wait - had a few chunks of chocolate, gotta count those.
[00:36:28] <requerdanos> Our Christmas dinner was steak and potatoes. More family comes tomorrow, when the "Christmas (observed)" dinner will be chicken and vegetables.
[01:56:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MediaTek Surpasses Qualcomm as the World's Largest Smartphone Chipset Vendor - https://sylnt.us - chips-ahoy!
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[02:58:13] <aristarchus_> #weather Samos Greece
[02:58:14] <MrPlow> ΠροφήτηςΗλίας, Πύργος - Πάνδροσο, Municipal Unit of Pythagoreio, Greece - Today: "Possible light rain throughout the day." 57/54F, Humidity: 86%, Precip: 76%, Wind ~15mph. Sun: "Rain throughout the day." 58/53F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 95%, Wind ~21mph. Mon: "Rain in the morning and afternoon." 56/53F, Humidity: 79%, Precip: 98%, Wind ~14mph.
[03:07:04] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com
[03:07:05] <systemd> Submitting "What we know about the federal investigation into an RV bomb that detonated in downtown Nashville"...
[03:07:27] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03What We Know About the Federal Investigation Into an RV Bomb That Detonated in Downtown Nashville" (125 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:08:09] <Runaway1956_> Soylent Underground?
[03:15:34] <aristarchus_> =submit https://www.arkansasonline.com
[03:15:36] <systemd> Submitting "Downtown Nashville explosion disables communications; human remains found"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.arkansasonline.com )
[03:15:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Downtown Nashville Explosion Disables Communications; Human Remains Found" (42 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:39:20] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://www.vice.com
[03:39:21] <systemd> Submitting "A Photograph With an Eight-Year Exposure Was Taken With a Beer Can"...
[03:39:43] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Photograph With an Eight-Year Exposure Was Taken With a Beer Can" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:40:48] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://www.redhat.com
[03:40:49] <systemd> Submitting "13 Linux security tutorials"...
[03:41:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "0313 Linux Security Tutorials" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:41:25] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://www.washingtonpost.com
[03:41:36] <systemd> Submitting "More info is available about which college majors pay off, but students aren’t using it"...
[03:41:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03More Info is Available About Which College Majors Pay Off, but Students Aren’t Using It" (40 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:46:39] <aristarchus_> Slow down, moron! Do you not have family?
[03:55:24] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://bbcbreakingnews.com
[03:55:26] <systemd> Submitting "Boston cancer doctor allergy to shellfish suffers severe allergic reaction receiving Moderna jab – BreakingNews"...
[03:55:47] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Boston Cancer Doctor Allergy to Shellfish Suffers Severe Allergic Reaction Receiving Moderna Jab –" (29 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:56:08] <Runaway1956_> There's a pandemic moron - almost everybody stayed home, those who didn't have gone home
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[03:56:38] <requerdanos> Maybe you hurt his feelings
[03:58:34] <Fnord666> one can only hope
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[04:56:41] -!- mode/#soylent [+v requerdanos] by Aphrodite
[05:04:46] <AzumaHazuki> ahh, nice nap
[05:09:42] <Bytram> Fnord666: s/h/m/
[05:09:42] <SedBot> <Bytram> <Fnord666> one can only mope
[05:09:56] <Bytram> Fnord666: s/h/c/
[05:09:56] <SedBot> <Bytram> <Fnord666> one can only cope
[05:17:34] <aristarchus_> One, can, Only, hope?
[05:22:38] <Bytram> =yt this time for sure!
[05:22:39] <systemd> https://youtube.com - This Time For Sure (44; 75,978 views; 👍920 👎47)
[05:22:59] <Bytram> have a great night everybody!
[05:31:07] <AzumaHazuki> huhh...shellfish allergy? I have that. i can eat bivalves/molluscs, but not crustaceans. something to mention to the nurse i guess
[05:31:26] <AzumaHazuki> (and it sucks because shrimp and lobster are delicious~)
[06:24:21] <c0lo> =w Platypus FatPhil
[06:24:22] <systemd> The platypus (Ornithorhynchus anatinus), sometimes referred to as the duck-billed platypus, is a semiaquatic, egg-laying mammal endemic to eastern Australia - https://en.wikipedia.org
[06:25:13] <c0lo> No word whether or not FatPhil is a mamal
[06:29:41] <AzumaHazuki> ...wow. so, um, my mother may be moving to Buffalo next spring o.o
[06:29:55] <AzumaHazuki> this would be really nice. i haven't seen her in person for almost a decade
[06:48:16] <aristarchus_> =submit https://www.thesun.co.uk
[06:48:17] <systemd> Submitting "Five ‘family members killed at home’ in shocking Christmas Day homicide"...
[06:48:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Putting on the Pressure Improves Glass for Fiber Optics - https://sylnt.us - I-do-my-best-work-under-pressure
[06:48:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Five ‘Family Members Killed at Home’ in Shocking Christmas Day Homicide" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:50:05] <c0lo> I guess it's still better than Homicide Day xmas, but not that much.
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[07:45:51] <aristarchus_> =submit https://www.oregonlive.com
[07:45:53] <systemd> Submitting "Fake Queen Elizabeth follows real monarch’s televised Christmas address, complains about Prince Harry leaving U.K."...
[07:46:15] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Fake Queen Elizabeth Follows Real Monarch’s Televised Christmas Address, Complains About Prince Ha" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:59:03] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.bbc.co.uk
[07:59:07] <systemd> Submitting "The family with no fingerprints"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.bbc.com )
[07:59:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Family With No Fingerprints" (29 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[10:06:06] <AzumaHazuki> ooh, found a nice recipe by accident: small red beans and pearl barley in broth with fennel seed, star anise, and garlic
[10:08:42] <AzumaHazuki> i got a nasty chill after that double shift, so this was a nice warmup
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[10:49:14] <FatPhil> not such a fan of star anise, except in spirits.
[11:26:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Targets Car Production by 2024 and Eyes 'Next Level' Battery Technology - https://sylnt.us
[11:34:31] * FatPhil experiments with userContent.css for the first time...
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[13:19:51] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:19:51] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5429
[14:20:26] <Runaway1956> FatPhil - the family with no fingerprints - all of the photos make it appear that they also have dirty hands
[14:20:46] <requerdanos> well, sure, no fingerprints to spin off the dirt
[14:20:47] <Runaway1956> Is discoloration of the palms and fingers part of the deal?
[14:21:29] <Runaway1956> Or not discoloration, exactly, but mottling
[14:23:44] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[14:23:44] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5430
[14:25:03] <c0lo> Pork is such a nice spirit to have with fennel and star-anise, fatphil.
[14:27:43] <AzumaHazuki> meh, too expensive for me most of the time
[14:27:55] <AzumaHazuki> though just this once i think i'll splurge and make beef stew for new years
[14:28:16] <requerdanos> Hi zumi, thanks for the encouragement last evening.
[14:44:42] <AzumaHazuki> :) you'll do great
[14:45:39] <AzumaHazuki> one word of warning: runaway (and his clone accounts Guy and NotherGuy) like to shitflood the subs queue. he drops in a bunch of contentless factoids from some aggregator site, then a bunch of absolute ratshit bat-shagging insane alt-right wharrgarbl
[14:46:09] <AzumaHazuki> he's trying to make himself look reasonable or respectable but don't fall for it. it's clear the current editors just toss his shit in the bit bucket, which is a good idea to keep doing
[14:46:23] <requerdanos> Sure, I appreciate very much his subs volume, if not each individual sub
[14:46:43] <AzumaHazuki> a 60 foot pile of shit is still made of shit, even if it's impressively tall
[14:47:38] <requerdanos> no, there are some good subs in there with the others
[14:48:06] <requerdanos> they are individual and don't taint each other :)
[15:00:00] <Runaway1956> Oh, wharrgarble 'zumi
[15:00:57] <requerdanos> There was a great one about lassie saving timmy, for example
[15:01:19] <Runaway1956> LOL - blame fakefuck for that one
[15:02:07] <requerdanos> That one made me sleep a little lighter last night, thinking about outlet boxes on fire
[15:02:43] <Runaway1956> Everyone loves the scent of oxidizing hydrocarbons in their home
[15:03:01] <requerdanos> that's the FIREPLACE PEOPLE, not me
[15:03:32] <Runaway1956> The bad thing here is, I've seen electrical receptacles in that exact condition
[15:03:40] <Runaway1956> it comes from cheap hardware
[15:04:03] <Runaway1956> cheap copper wire with high iron and tin content
[15:04:37] <requerdanos> you aren't helping, to be frank. I am a first time homeowner as of a couple months ago and I already worry about stuff.
[15:05:08] <Runaway1956> If you get the opportunity to get into the wiring, the copper should be soft, and VERY easy to bend
[15:05:15] <Runaway1956> if it's stiff, you have reason to worry
[15:05:52] <Runaway1956> need to clarify - single strands of wire should be soft and easily bent
[15:05:52] <requerdanos> something I did learn about wiring is that Arc-Fault breakers and powerline-ethernet adapters do NOT coexist.
[15:06:08] <Runaway1956> you don't bend cables easily, matter how good the copper is
[15:28:36] <Bytram> Runaway1956: disagree wrt copper should be very easy to bend... especially with single strand. Also, gauge is important. A 14 gauge wire will be easier to bend than, say, an 8- or 10-gauge. Size matters.
[15:30:34] * Bytram got stuck with a lot of cabling gruntwork as an electrician's helper years ago. Running cables in both new and old construction, gobs and gobs of outlets and light switches.
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[15:32:23] <Bytram> main thing, as temting as it may be, best to curl the wire around the connection screw and tighten it firmly vs just backstabbing the end of the wire into the back of the receptacle.
[15:33:21] <Runaway1956> Bytram, I have experience with stiff, hard-to-run wiring which always stays warmer than the softer higher quality copper
[15:33:35] <Runaway1956> The stuff is cheap, so the company buys it almost exclusively
[15:33:47] <Bytram> The latter makes for quicker construction, but vibration over time can lead to a rare but intermittent connection that is a royal pain to identify and debug.
[15:34:03] <Runaway1956> not only is it hard to work with, but terminals often burn, where the nearby terminals remain pristine for years
[15:34:36] <Runaway1956> And, connections are "supposed to be" inspected annually for tightness
[15:34:57] <Runaway1956> I have literally spent hours inside of electrical cabinets tightening lugs, and making sure there are no loose contacts
[15:35:02] <Bytram> I suspect that depends on local building codes.
[15:35:11] <Bytram> awesome
[15:35:30] <Runaway1956> also depends on the equipment manufacturer's maintenance specs ;^)
[15:36:39] <Runaway1956> I must point out that nowhere have I used a term that might suggest "pure copper" - there are better and there are cheaper alloys
[15:37:11] <Runaway1956> but no one uses "pure copper" wire - far too expensive, and as you point out, it's not best for the job
[15:37:48] <Bytram> Hmm, Are you seriously suggesting that every single outlet and wall switch in an office tower should be pulled every single year and inspected? That much pulling and flexing sounds like a recipe for excess flexing leading to breakage.
[15:38:00] <Bytram> nod nod on alloys
[15:38:31] <Runaway1956> Not exactly suggesting that, but maybe every five years?
[15:38:44] <Runaway1956> Better just to install higher quality electrical components
[15:39:02] <Runaway1956> best "for instance" are wall outlets - most everyone opts for cheap 10 amp wall outlets
[15:39:09] <Bytram> When fitting in a new outlet in an existing building, stranded copper wire is my friend! So are pre-existing conduits.
[15:39:18] <Runaway1956> I insist on 20 amp, and i'll buy higher amp if available
[15:39:49] <Runaway1956> Can't count the number of 10 amp outlets that have burned up for mysterious reasons
[15:39:59] <Runaway1956> I've almost never found a 20 amp burnt
[15:40:06] <Bytram> can understand the reasoning, and if you can afford it, go for it!
[15:41:05] <Bytram> Like running ethernet. Cat 5 will prolly be okay, but if you're running new cable, why not splurge and run cat 6?
[15:41:55] <Runaway1956> Yeah, kinda like that - except the return on cat 6 is less obvious, and less potentially fatal than using higher quality electrcial
[15:41:58] * Bytram does not recall every seeing a 10 amp outlet; min I've seen was 15 amp
[15:42:14] <Bytram> s/y//
[15:42:14] <SedBot> <Bytram> does not recall ever seeing a 10 amp outlet; min I've seen was 15 amp
[15:42:21] <Runaway1956> they exist - and they always seem to burn up
[15:42:33] <Runaway1956> 15 last longer, but they still seem to burn
[15:42:34] <Bytram> why am I not surprised?
[15:42:49] <Runaway1956> 20 amp, you have to abuse pretty horribly for it to burn
[15:42:55] <Bytram> penny wise and pound foolish
[15:42:57] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:43:15] <Runaway1956> like, running a couple space heaters, a coffee pot, and two desks full of computer stuff from the same outlet
[15:44:34] <Runaway1956> Of course, I have to fall back and admit that the installer plays a big part in burnt components
[15:44:45] * Bytram looks at his laptop computers and TV monitor and UPSs and... running on a single cable to the outlet.
[15:45:12] <Runaway1956> if the electrician is trying to save time and effort, and fails to tighten lugs properly, even high quality material won't prevent fires
[15:45:22] * Bytram can attest that adding the electric heater can make things a bit more... exciting
[15:45:31] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:46:10] <Runaway1956> We have a guy at work who won't tighten lugs on anything - the screw makes contact, and he's satisfied
[15:46:36] <Runaway1956> If you don't screw it down enough to deform the copper even a little bit, it will loosen over time
[15:47:05] <Bytram> my dad early on worked at sea -- engineer on a ship. You can well imagine that everything we did in his house was highly over-engineered and hooked up *solid*
[15:47:43] <Runaway1956> LOL - yeah, Army or Navy, everyone overengineers everything
[15:47:50] <Bytram> when he was done with it, you;d never have to worry about it coming back to bite you years later.
[15:47:52] <Runaway1956> I fall into their school
[15:48:22] <Runaway1956> not to imply that I learned electricity in the Navy, but I do fall into their school of thought
[15:48:33] <Bytram> learned from others who attended the skuul of herd nocks
[15:48:41] <Runaway1956> uh-huh
[15:48:48] <Bytram> gtg; back in a few mnunutes
[15:48:53] <Runaway1956> later
[16:17:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Beer Can Takes Photograph with an Eight-Year Exposure - https://sylnt.us
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[18:37:22] <FatPhil> holy fucking jeesus, someone'seaten too much christmas roast.
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[19:50:32] <pinchy> i wonder who that could be?
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[20:56:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Reverse Engineering the Source Code of the BioNTech/Pfizer SARS-CoV-2 Vaccine - https://sylnt.us - A-C-G-T-save-print
[22:25:23] <FatPhil> Yabastads!
[22:25:48] <FatPhil> There was a new series of Penn & Teller Fool Us, and nobody mentioned it.
[22:26:03] <FatPhil> nw S07E01
[23:20:54] <c0lo> https://graphics.reuters.com
[23:20:56] <systemd> ^ 03How the novel coronavirus evolved
[23:24:49] * chromas prefers the movies
[23:25:29] <chromas> https://news.trust.org
[23:25:31] <systemd> ^ 03Is video streaming during COVID-19 bad for the climate?