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[23:27:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Space Station Spiders Found a Hack to Build Webs Without Gravity - https://sylnt.us - one-of-the-spiders-was-named-Charlotte
[22:27:34] <chromas> just don't backup the vm 'cause that's a time sink
[22:27:23] <chromas> yeah
[22:27:12] <Bytram> chromas: backup FooSys, and then run the backup FooSys' as a VM on FooSys?
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[22:18:59] <chromas> Bytram: test your backup in a virtual machine running on the backed up pc
[22:18:41] <chromas> Wow. Missed the daily sperg
[21:44:51] <FatPhil> you did that
[21:44:43] <FatPhil> probably ...
[21:44:30] <FatPhil> so I'm unable to perform any racist judgementalism
[21:44:05] <FatPhil> he was so angry I couldn't detect the accent
[21:43:33] <FatPhil> quite the opposite
[21:27:56] <Bytram> wouldn't happen to be someone who recently had a leg in a cast?
[21:22:40] <FatPhil> my local pub had an idiot who tipped over a table, breaking a whole load of glasses
[21:21:38] <Bytram> joshingua tree?
[21:21:16] <FatPhil> it's been a fun evening
[21:21:04] <Bytram> lol
[21:21:00] <Bender> karma - bytram: 147
[21:21:00] <FatPhil> bytram++ just joshing, of course
[21:20:42] <Bender> karma - bytram: 146
[21:20:42] <FatPhil> Bytram++
[21:19:54] <halibut> If Bytram really wants a burrito, Bytram might need to pony up an extra ``r''.
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[21:00:29] <Runaway1956> maybe I watch a movie instead
[21:00:21] <Runaway1956> essential chores finished - now I have to decide whether to go through with upgrading . . .
[20:51:56] <Bytram> nvm!
[20:51:47] <Bytram> =burito
[20:51:42] <Bytram> #burito
[20:51:36] <Bytram> ~burito
[20:51:22] * Bytram hangs head in shame
[20:51:09] * systemd points at Bytram
[20:51:08] <Bytram> =blame
[20:49:58] <FatPhil> bad bad
[20:49:56] <FatPhil> naughty boy
[20:49:51] <FatPhil> whomever did 17 consecutive lines to the chan
[20:48:53] <Bytram> FatPhil: who would that be?
[20:47:13] <FatPhil> Oi! Bytram! Kick the spammer!
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[19:38:50] <Bytram> got it. tx!
[19:38:31] <requerdanos> I think you'll be fine swapping to your ssd
[19:38:26] <Bytram> with *=bank:1 the same as above
[19:37:59] <Bytram> clock: 1067MHz (0.9ns)
[19:37:57] <Bytram> width: 64 bits
[19:37:55] <Bytram> size: 2GiB
[19:37:53] <Bytram> slot: DIMM_A
[19:37:51] <Bytram> serial: 08613846
[19:37:49] <Bytram> physical id: 0
[19:37:49] <Bytram> vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
[19:37:49] <Bytram> product: HMT125S6TFR8C-H9
[19:37:49] <Bytram> description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1067 MHz (0.9 ns)
[19:37:49] <Bytram> *-bank:0
[19:37:46] <Bytram> I have two identical banks of memory:
[19:36:45] <Bytram> according to: sudo lshw
[19:33:55] <Bytram> So, I'm thinking that if I do not go nuts depending on lots of swap and overdo things, I *should* be okay
[19:33:17] <Bytram> I am sensitive to "memory pressure" (my first computer had 4 KB of memory) and I spent way too much time in config.sys and autoexec.bat trying to glean a few more free bytes to get things to run.
[19:31:35] <Bytram> yep, 5 year limited warranty
[19:31:00] <Bytram> I thnk it has a 5 year warranty
[19:30:59] <requerdanos> my swap partition is on an SSD so I guess I live dangerously. (but I do not have low memory)
[19:30:18] <requerdanos> SSDs have a finite lifespan in terms of number of writes, so using them for swap shortens their life by some amount, sure
[19:30:15] * Bytram has a 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO
[19:29:32] <Bytram> "If it's very rare that you exceed your RAM, this isn't likely to cause major issues, but for systems with low memory and an SSD, it's not recommended."
[19:28:44] <requerdanos> kind of might make one miss the windows way of control panel -> system -> edit a text box -> poof, more swap
[19:27:27] * Bytram looks at: https://bitlaunch.io
[19:27:21] <Bytram> okaaay. I know about partitions and files. Not so much about device mapper
[19:25:59] <requerdanos> as opposed to a physical partition or file
[19:25:55] <Bytram> Ahhh. Mare see!
[19:25:33] <requerdanos> well, dm-1 means "Thing #1 mapped by device mapper"
[19:24:54] <Bytram> is it it "Type" == "partition" that clued you in?
[19:24:18] <requerdanos> I mean dm-1 yeah
[19:24:14] <Bytram> ??
[19:24:11] <Bytram> you mean /dev/dm-1
[19:24:10] <requerdanos> all the cool kids are using these kinds of things, leaving me as a greybeard out in the cold
[19:22:58] <requerdanos> in your /proc/swaps your swap is on a mapped volume
[19:22:48] <requerdanos> I wonder if you could use the relevant steps from that answer to just create a swapfile for additional swap, then add it live with swapon
[19:22:45] <Bytram> hmm, where did you see the lvm being used on my system?
[19:21:45] <requerdanos> making my cluelessness unhelpful to you, as I do not use lvm for anything
[19:21:20] <requerdanos> it says "except when lvm is used" and your swap is a mapped volume
[19:20:41] <Bytram> sounds right
[19:20:32] <Bytram> Scroll down to the answer with 103 upvotes
[19:20:07] <requerdanos> your swap is to a volume mounted with lvm, not to a swapfile, it seems
[19:19:43] <systemd> ^ 03How do I increase swapfile in Ubuntu 18.04?
[19:19:42] <Bytram> So, I'm looking to follow: https://askubuntu.com
[19:19:30] <Bytram> yes!
[19:19:20] <requerdanos> beats the heck out of waiting for a hdd
[19:19:04] <Bytram> *btw
[19:18:49] <Bytram> Since I have lots of free disk, and I rarely really load down the system, I can deall with swap (to an SSD, byw)
[19:18:22] <requerdanos> makes sense.
[19:18:14] <Bytram> Sure, I *could*, but I'm looking to upgrade in ~6 months and this thing is *old*. would prefer to save the $$ for future system
[19:17:28] <Runaway1956> laptops are notorious for not being very upgradeable
[19:17:23] <Bytram> atm, not really.
[19:17:05] <requerdanos> I don't suppose "Install More Memory" is one of the choices?
[19:16:57] <Bytram> tyvm!
[19:16:52] <Bytram> :)
[19:16:28] <Bytram> really appreciate the assistance!
[19:16:28] <requerdanos> free -mh for human-readable units instead of just numbers
[19:16:10] <Bytram> kewel
[19:15:58] <Bytram> =)
[19:15:56] <requerdanos> of course, 1503 is available
[19:15:51] <requerdanos> you are reading that correctly.
[19:15:36] <Bytram> am I reading that correcly ??
[19:15:25] <Bytram> I see free mem (792) > swap used (452)
[19:14:54] <requerdanos> you have an amazing amount of free memory considering how tiny your system memory size is.
[19:14:30] <Bytram> Swap: 975 452 523
[19:14:30] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1626 792 335 1316 1503
[19:14:30] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:14:30] <Bytram> free -m
[19:14:29] <Bytram> nw have:
[19:14:26] <Bytram> minimized FF memory
[19:12:51] <systemd> ^ 03Starship SN8 Test Launch Campaign - UPDATES
[19:12:50] <systemd> ^ 03SpaceX Boca Chica - Production Updates - MASTER Thread (4)
[19:12:49] <Bytram> ima gonna lose another FF (private) window; dumping links here for future reference: (1) https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com (2) https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com
[19:12:01] <requerdanos> to add swap I wonder could you just create a swapfile and then add it with swapon. don't see why not.
[19:11:27] <requerdanos> but it seems to be a swap partition, not a swapfile
[19:11:26] <Bytram> can you tell why I did quite okay at QA? Seems to come naturally for me!
[19:10:46] <requerdanos> well, I haven't a clue what /dev/dm-1 is, that's a new one on me
[19:10:09] <Bytram> here's the missing line: /dev/dm-1 partition 999420 464068 -2
[19:10:01] <Bytram> here's the missing line: v
[19:09:57] <requerdanos> ah, that explains it. i was wondering where the heck your swap could be
[19:09:37] <Bytram> lol -- hexchat ate the leading "/"
[19:09:14] <Bytram> Filename Type Size Used Priority
[19:09:14] <Bytram> cat /proc/swaps
[19:09:11] <Bytram> .
[19:08:45] <Bytram> Swap: 975 453 522
[19:08:45] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1812 577 366 1345 1285
[19:08:45] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:08:45] <Bytram> free -m
[19:08:44] * Bytram jut minimized memory usage in FF thru: about:memory
[19:07:56] <requerdanos> what does cat /proc/swaps say?
[19:07:10] <Bytram> I've got whatever Ubuntu Mate set up for me
[19:06:53] <requerdanos> I've never used a swapfile, only swap partitions
[19:06:42] <Bytram> Swap: 975 456 519
[19:06:42] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1970 430 358 1334 1135
[19:06:42] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:06:42] <Bytram> free -m
[19:06:27] * Bytram just closed a couple tabs... getting closer
[19:05:48] <systemd> ^ 03How do I increase swapfile in Ubuntu 18.04?
[19:05:47] <Bytram> https://askubuntu.com
[19:05:37] <Bytram> k
[19:05:28] <requerdanos> and not available for partitions that are currently mounted
[19:05:26] <Bytram> understood. Comes from my many years working on old mainframes and old DOS; call it giving me some warm fuzzies
[19:05:16] <Runaway1956> but that's slow, and something of a pain
[19:05:04] <Runaway1956> you could use diskpart or similar, shrink your existing partitions then grow your swap partition
[19:04:17] <requerdanos> because the kernel could care less whether the swap is contiguous
[19:04:17] <Bytram> I can yes
[19:04:01] <requerdanos> so you want to take swap offline, make a bigger swap thing, and put it back online?
[19:03:41] <Bytram> I hear, ua, but still a bit nervous
[19:03:26] <requerdanos> yes, exactly
[19:03:16] <SedBot> <Bytram> oh, wait, mem *avail* of 1075 is the key?
[19:03:15] <Bytram> s/>/?/
[19:03:07] <Bytram> oh, wait, mem *avail* of 1075 is the key>
[19:02:50] <requerdanos> well, available is what you are looking for, not free
[19:02:29] <Bytram> so, like I said, I see free mem of 399 and swap use of of 457... don't see how it would fit. must be missing something?
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> Swap: 24698 0 24698
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> Mem: 64252 7295 38097 298 18859 57074
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> $ free -m
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> Swap: 2047 0 2047
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> Mem: 63293 16980 36335 693 9976 44670
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> free -m
[19:00:41] <Bytram> call me silly or old-fasioned, but I'd prefer to have swap contiguous
[19:00:32] <requerdanos> free mem is literally unused, available is available even if currently caching something
[19:00:06] <Bytram> I see free mem of 399 and swap used ogf 457
[18:59:59] <Runaway1956> There should be no need to turn off existing swap
[18:59:49] <requerdanos> swap: used 457 (is < 1075)
[18:59:38] <requerdanos> Mem: available 1075 (free + buff/cache which is also free if needed)
[18:59:26] <Bytram> that I had space to do it>
[18:59:12] <Bytram> how can you tell from that?
[18:59:07] <requerdanos> you own it, thus you could opt for turning off the current at any time. Not, of course, advisable
[18:59:01] <Bytram> TLI5
[18:58:33] <Bytram> so I could add a honkin big swap, but can I then turn off the current, little one?
[18:58:26] <requerdanos> avail 1075, swap used 457, swapoff will work nicely
[18:57:51] <Bytram> Swap: 975 457 518
[18:57:51] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1971 399 418 1364 1075
[18:57:51] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[18:57:51] <Bytram> free -m
[18:57:39] <requerdanos> I dunno, but swapon lets you add swap partitions one at the time
[18:57:29] <Bytram> how can I tell the system to quiesce any current swap?
[18:57:08] <Bytram> don't know if that will blow things up atm
[18:56:53] <requerdanos> *ensure sufficient space for drainage
[18:56:18] <requerdanos> heh sudo swapoff
[18:56:06] <Bytram> Perfect, but HOW do I do that?
[18:55:51] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 11
[18:55:51] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[18:55:38] <requerdanos> "Drain the swap!"
[18:55:23] <Bytram> have already locked things up once and had to restart when ran out of swap space.
[18:54:39] <Bytram> before I get going too far, I really should expand the swap on this system
[18:46:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Schools Are Buying Phone-Hacking Tech That the FBI Uses to Investigate Terrorists - https://sylnt.us - educational-discount
[18:46:03] * Bytram prefers to let the pros design things when it comes to things like that
[18:43:24] <Runaway1956> Watched a video using the new gel batteries, where deep discharge is less serious
[18:42:36] <Bytram> deep discharge is a bad thing
[18:42:09] <Runaway1956> of course, the new gel batteries would be better and safer
[18:41:56] * Runaway1956 has considered rebuilding the 1000 watt UPS using auto batteries
[18:41:19] <Bytram> also have a 900 VA and a couple 585 VA UPS's, too. though the battery is pretty well shot on the 585's
[18:39:31] <Bytram> I coulda got the next size up, but for a lappy and a LCD TV for a display and some incidental other things, seemed plenty.
[18:39:23] <Runaway1956> super micro PWS-1k41F-1R
[18:38:48] <Runaway1956> I know better, lol
[18:38:42] <Bytram> mine is 1325 VA sine wave
[18:38:32] <Runaway1956> ? 1400 watt, sorry
[18:38:15] <Bytram> and the units, too?
[18:37:53] <Bytram> 1,400 amperes?
[18:37:37] <Bytram> did you mmiss a decimal point?
[18:36:56] <Runaway1956> 1400 amp power supplies
[18:36:38] <Runaway1956> TBH, no UPS that I've ever owned would be big enough for this honkin' server
[18:30:14] <Bytram> actually have everything mounted on a large desk w/ casters. easy peasy!
[18:29:28] * Bytram swears by UPSs; saved my bacon so many times and... makes it so much easier to rearrange things. can move things all around the room without fear
[18:28:46] <Runaway1956> had one that died, and haven't ever replaced it
[18:28:15] <Runaway1956> No, unfortunately, I do not
[18:28:01] <Bytram> do you have a UPS?
[18:24:10] <Runaway1956> power supply costs over $300 new
[18:23:55] <Runaway1956> probably get a working pull from Ebay
[18:23:32] <Runaway1956> my redundant power supply has died
[18:23:27] * Bytram has a laptop whose drive I can remove, but not something I'd like to do regularly
[18:23:23] <Runaway1956> I do have a hardware problem that needs addressing though
[18:22:49] <Bytram> yes, it is.
[18:20:07] <Runaway1956> it's a whole different world from the constraints of a laptop
[18:19:54] <Runaway1956> Of course, I'm working with server hardware, with hot pluggable hard drives -
[18:19:26] <Runaway1956> Then, I'll do the backup again, over top of the broken backup
[18:18:58] <Bytram> ISTR a discussion recently where I inquired about how to test a backup when one only has a single computer... what do you do if the backup is broken?
[18:18:32] <Runaway1956> already made a list of apps to reinstall afterward
[18:18:20] <Runaway1956> then install over top of old installation
[18:18:04] <Runaway1956> Actually, what I'll do is, reboot to the new ISO, by way of E2B
[18:17:41] <Runaway1956> will do so before I actually do the upgrade
[18:17:20] <Runaway1956> Nahhhh, to much bother, lol
[18:16:03] <Bytram> *uninstall
[18:15:55] <Bytram> did you inimstall your current disk and install the backup and try booting that?
[18:15:22] <Bytram> that's good...
[18:13:31] <Runaway1956> did a disk copy to another hard disk
[18:13:17] <Runaway1956> Actually, I have a backup at hand, just haven't tested it
[18:12:50] <Runaway1956> LOL
[18:12:45] * Runaway1956 doesn't do backups - backups are for sissies!!
[18:12:13] <Bytram> Runaway1956: when's the last time you did a backup? AND tested it?
[18:11:58] <Bytram> Runaway1956: when
[18:02:59] <Runaway1956> So, when I get the urge to do something crazy, no one suffers - but me
[18:02:36] <Runaway1956> Fortunately, I am the only user on my machine
[18:02:19] <systemd> ^ 03A list of non-systemd distributions (revisited)
[18:02:18] <Runaway1956> https://sysdfree.wordpress.com
[17:54:43] <requerdanos> well, and your users of course
[17:53:03] <requerdanos> no one cares but you, in the final analysis
[17:50:52] <Runaway1956> Preparation is complete - do I pull the trigger now, or wait for the next power outage?
[17:40:26] <requerdanos> heck I am pretty sure I still have servers running oldstable
[17:39:56] <Runaway1956> I feel the -itis from time to time, lol
[17:39:35] <requerdanos> stable for servers, testing for desktops, sid if you have bleedingedgeitis
[17:39:22] <Runaway1956> sorry, stable, testing, and sid
[17:39:07] <Runaway1956> I can choose between stable and sid
[17:39:05] <requerdanos> I suspect other tiny differences, but okay, thanks
[17:38:50] <Runaway1956> antix is the same thing, just systemd free
[17:38:27] <requerdanos> oh, adventurous. My wife runs debian stable and I run testing.
[17:38:05] <Runaway1956> antix-19 to antix-19.3
[17:37:43] <requerdanos> from what to what?
[17:37:37] * Runaway1956 is seriously considering doing a dist-upgrade
[17:36:21] <Runaway1956> Everyone should get one name, no more, no less, everyone equal
[17:36:08] <Runaway1956> And, aren't surnames racissss or something?
[17:35:03] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 10
[17:35:03] <FatPhil> requerdanos++
[17:34:56] <FatPhil> I inherit the name, and the trait
[17:34:41] <FatPhil> my mum would call that "a Carmodian answer" (her husband being surnamed 'Carmody')
[17:34:34] <Runaway1956> I guess he won't "tell" until FatPhil is logged out and logged back in?
[17:33:50] <requerdanos> Now that's handy right there.
[17:33:00] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[17:33:00] <Runaway1956> #tell FatPhil that you have message drop ability
[17:21:40] <requerdanos> Just being a smart alec, sorry
[17:20:05] <FatPhil> I mean is there a bot on-chan doing that.
[17:16:03] <requerdanos> Many bots with message-drop exist.
[17:15:31] <FatPhil> the internet might have the answer, but the internet is no friend of my phone.
[17:14:57] <FatPhil> I want to delve into his attic.
[17:13:51] <FatPhil> I have a question for ari
[17:13:33] <FatPhil> is there abot with a message-drop facility?
[17:12:23] * FatPhil has just got been blown up by his own jean luc petard
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[14:02:32] <AzumaHazuki> keep your beak out of places it doesn't belong and it won't get stepped on so much :)
[14:02:14] <AzumaHazuki> hey, you started it
[14:02:03] * TheMightyBuzzard steps out for a smoke and cat videos
[14:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> be miserable if you like then. no skin off my nose.
[14:01:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:01:03] <AzumaHazuki> and a drunkard can be perfectly happy sitting in a puddle of his own piss on the corner. what of it?
[14:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> that wasn't dissatisfaction with your tone, that was friendly advice. my mood is excellent this morning and entirely unaffected by your own.
[13:59:26] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:59:14] <AzumaHazuki> sorry you don't like my tone, shitbird, but that doesn't make it wrong
[13:59:00] <AzumaHazuki> not incorrect though
[13:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, definitely ranty.
[13:58:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd normally advise fishing but fishing in NY waterways, while it would solve your problem, is not conducive to a long and healthy life
[13:57:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High-End SATA SSD Shootout: Samsung 860 Pro Vs. Kingston DC500M - https://sylnt.us
[13:57:35] <AzumaHazuki> you sound a bit stupid and evil this lifetime. have you considered killing yourself so you spend less time in hell?
[13:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you sound a bit ranty this morning. have you considered watching cat videos to increase your serenity?
[13:55:51] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[13:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.phoronix.com
[13:46:48] <Bytram> laters
[13:46:46] <Bytram> Think I'll give another go at some ice packs.
[13:46:14] <Bytram> I gotta beg off soon, arms are getting sore again. :/
[13:45:31] <Bytram> American's can be counted on doing the right thing, after they have exhausted trying all the wrong things.
[13:45:04] <Bytram> American
[13:44:41] <Bytram> In my own way, I was as ignorant and defiant as you describe. I survived, changed, and have been able to help others who were similarly afflicted.
[13:44:35] <AzumaHazuki> people don't seem to understand the position the US is in and how precarious it is
[13:44:12] <AzumaHazuki> oh, not everything is. but for me remaining here is suicidal. i saw this crap coming, pandemic or no pandemic, and it's why i want out as soon as possible
[13:42:52] <Bytram> But I refuse to believe that *everything* is *hopeless*.
[13:42:33] <Bytram> But I refuse to believe that everything is hopeless.
[13:42:14] <Bytram> saying it will be easy or painless.
[13:42:01] <Bytram> Just maybe, I've seen a few more things over the years that looked hopeless. When I felt helpless. and, yet, here we are. I am not
[13:40:44] <AzumaHazuki> too much epistemic damage has been done
[13:40:36] <AzumaHazuki> and they've already done fatal damage to the nation's institutions. we are not surviving the 2022 midterms intact and there may not be a 2024 election
[13:40:13] <Bytram> And, were you to ask me back then, I'd have thought he was hopeless.
[13:40:05] <AzumaHazuki> put it this way: the chance of it happening anytime soon, and certainly "soon enough," are so low as not to be worth bothering with
[13:39:32] <Bytram> I am not saying all "those people" will change. But to entirely rule it out for everyone seems equally misguided.
[13:39:29] <AzumaHazuki> but, again, he wasn't a drooling fanatic. he remained in charge of his own faculties. i'm not saying he was a good person.
[13:38:36] <Bytram> By any stretch of the imagination he was *nasty* and mean, someone would hope to never meet, even once. He would put the hurt on you without thinking twice about it.
[13:37:28] <AzumaHazuki> he wasn't a wild-eyed ranting loonie nutbird
[13:37:19] <AzumaHazuki> he dulled his soul, he didn't sell it
[13:36:34] <Bytram> I personally know someone who was a mobster, a "heavy" or "enforcer" if you will. Caused tremendous pain and hardship, spent a *lot* of time in prison. And now he's the nicest guy you'd ever hope to meet. Generous, patient, gentle, selfless.
[13:34:59] <AzumaHazuki> okay, feel free to, but i've experienced some things that led me to that conclusion. you can willingly, gleefully incinerate your human card, and there is no going back from that
[13:34:24] <Bytram> Disagree.
[13:34:05] <Bytram> Would that we could do so with less suffering. All I can do it point out things as I see them, ask leading questions, and then let it go.
[13:33:50] <AzumaHazuki> we're not dealing with functioning humans here, Bytram. it is possible to sell your soul or so taint it with evil that you can no longer truly call yourself human any longer
[13:32:54] <Bytram> "Ignorance is bliss" -- another age-old maxim. We're not the first to encounter it. We've survived o far, we'll make it through this, too.
[13:31:44] <Bytram> Whether an illness is their own or that of a loved one who suffers -- or dies.
[13:31:10] <Bytram> that's a whole lot of nothing in there. People, in my experience, do tend to pay attention when they are hurting.
[13:31:02] <AzumaHazuki> we're dealing with a lot more than corona denialism here. these people are radicals, Fox News jihadis, as froot-loops ratshit as any other religious fanatic.
[13:30:16] <AzumaHazuki> nothing says they will, and nothing says they'll learn from it, and nothing says they won't do far more harm to others than themselves
[13:30:04] <Bytram> I spent decades trying to convince developers about bugs in their code. Including many a "Prima Donald". Eventually, I gained their trust as I was consistent and thorough -- held my ground. I let the facts speak for themselves.
[13:28:28] <Bytram> If I cannot convince them, and I probably cannot, then over time when they *personally* experience the ravages of this disease themselves, or see it happen to a loved one, well it'll suck to be them.
[13:27:10] <AzumaHazuki> oh, it won't. i'm just sick of sharing a planet with them
[13:26:53] <Bytram> But their ignorance should not dissuade me from doing what I know is right.
[13:26:12] <Bytram> "There are none so blind as those who will not see." That's a quote from LONG ago; we're not the first to encounter this nor will we be the last. Sucks to be them.
[13:25:01] <AzumaHazuki> i'm out of sympathy for these people. they're permanently corrupted, stewed in a toxic marinade of ignorance and nihilism. there is no redemption on this earth for them any longer
[13:24:22] <systemd> https://sot.fandom.com - Wizard's Rules | Sword of Truth Wiki | Fandom
[13:24:21] <Bytram> =g Wizard's Rules
[13:24:09] <Bytram> In a year or so, things will certainly look different. Hold steady and trust that *you* are also doing as best you can, but coming from a place of knowledge and experience... that they lack and are afraid to believe otherwise as it means change they are afraid of.
[13:23:10] <AzumaHazuki> their idiocy on a scale of tens of millions sunk this country. we're not recovering from this
[13:22:42] <AzumaHazuki> no, fuck them. they can go to hell. they can go directly to hell, without passing go or collecting $200
[13:22:09] <Bytram> Yes, it sucks.
[13:22:09] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I suspect the people you've helped over the years might offer a different perspective -- one of gratitude. Don't let the bozo's get you down. They're trying as best they can -- as poorly as it may be -- to make sense of things. They have their own fears and some choose ignorance over illumination. All I can do, really, is live my life as best I know how and hope that at some point they will come around to my perspective.
[13:17:07] <FatPhil> it's a noisy signal, there will be peaks and troughs, that's to be expected. From a purely personal perspective, I can point to worse years.
[13:07:46] <AzumaHazuki> i'm beginning to wonder if all the pain and struggle to make it this far was futile
[13:07:33] <AzumaHazuki> christ
[13:02:18] <FatPhil> our govt has gone full UK/US retard during this 2nd wave. Every positive thing I said in the past (which was plenty) has now been retracted.
[13:00:06] <FatPhil> with or without masks?
[12:52:05] <AzumaHazuki> someone needs to grab about a dozen of the posters on this site and force them to tour a bunch of covid wards
[12:51:46] <AzumaHazuki> you know, i may have to take a break from SN just for my own sanity's sake. i see so much complete idiocy regarding this virus on that forum and it's fucking infuriating
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[12:38:25] <requerdanos> Welcome home.
[12:29:06] <AzumaHazuki> holy hell, what a night...
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[11:24:41] * chromas queues up the spaminator
[11:24:31] <chromas> Don't worry; they're fixing it
[09:25:41] <SoyGuest61428> So, no more spam texts on Android? Oh, the horror!
[09:17:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Breaks SMS on Many Android Phones, is Rolling Back Changes Now - https://sylnt.us
[06:21:48] * Runaway1956 looks to see what themightybuzzard is wearing
[06:21:17] <Runaway1956> Scarfs are cool. Bow ties are not cool.
[04:41:49] <SoyGuest61428> carny caught a carbuncle. So sade. Marquis de Sade.
[04:26:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - French Military Ethics Committee Gives the Go-Ahead to Develop "Augmented" and "Bionic" Soldiers - https://sylnt.us - here-comes-skynet
[03:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could live with a scarf. they're cool like bow-ties
[03:55:45] <systemd> ^ 03Baptists Introduce More Modest Floor-Length Tree Skirts
[03:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[03:19:50] <carny> this has nothing to do with marxism and everything is just fine
[03:19:27] <systemd> ^ 03Portland Autonomous Zone with Ian Miles Cheong
[03:19:25] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
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[00:53:09] <AzumaHazuki> cursing at the screen / on a Tuesday update night / my data's lost and gone / my profile's locked up tight! / i got through update 1 / but died on SP2 / and now my comp's a useless pile / and i've still got work to do!
[00:52:10] <AzumaHazuki> single bells, single bells, hear how they arise! / there was an update in the queue but then it up and died, oh / single bells, single bells / nothing left to do / but pull the plug and power down / on failure #2
[00:25:59] <c0lo> bingle gells
[00:15:23] <systemd> ^ 03Microsoft really recorded a Christmas carol with the words ‘Bingle Bells’
[00:15:21] <chromas> https://www.theverge.com
[00:12:55] <AzumaHazuki> ...though it's oddly warm for mid-December in Western NY
[00:12:44] <AzumaHazuki> i forgot my mask a couple of timess and just pulled my scarf up. winter weather's good for that
[00:12:32] <pinchy> I should have used it waay back when I didnt have one at some place. I didnt even think of it but should have worked
[00:10:26] <chromas> But an F shirt is even better
[00:10:00] <chromas> They shouldn't since the mask is only to stop spittle and a tee shirt should do that just fine
[00:07:57] <pinchy> any of yall tried the tshirt trick over the nose instead of a mask when going in some place? do they puish back on it?
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