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[00:07:57] <pinchy> any of yall tried the tshirt trick over the nose instead of a mask when going in some place? do they puish back on it?
[00:10:00] <chromas> They shouldn't since the mask is only to stop spittle and a tee shirt should do that just fine
[00:10:26] <chromas> But an F shirt is even better
[00:12:32] <pinchy> I should have used it waay back when I didnt have one at some place. I didnt even think of it but should have worked
[00:12:44] <AzumaHazuki> i forgot my mask a couple of timess and just pulled my scarf up. winter weather's good for that
[00:12:55] <AzumaHazuki> ...though it's oddly warm for mid-December in Western NY
[00:15:21] <chromas> https://www.theverge.com
[00:15:23] <systemd> ^ 03Microsoft really recorded a Christmas carol with the words ‘Bingle Bells’
[00:25:59] <c0lo> bingle gells
[00:52:10] <AzumaHazuki> single bells, single bells, hear how they arise! / there was an update in the queue but then it up and died, oh / single bells, single bells / nothing left to do / but pull the plug and power down / on failure #2
[00:53:09] <AzumaHazuki> cursing at the screen / on a Tuesday update night / my data's lost and gone / my profile's locked up tight! / i got through update 1 / but died on SP2 / and now my comp's a useless pile / and i've still got work to do!
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[03:19:25] <carny> https://www.youtube.com
[03:19:27] <systemd> ^ 03Portland Autonomous Zone with Ian Miles Cheong
[03:19:50] <carny> this has nothing to do with marxism and everything is just fine
[03:55:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[03:55:45] <systemd> ^ 03Baptists Introduce More Modest Floor-Length Tree Skirts
[03:56:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i could live with a scarf. they're cool like bow-ties
[04:26:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - French Military Ethics Committee Gives the Go-Ahead to Develop "Augmented" and "Bionic" Soldiers - https://sylnt.us - here-comes-skynet
[04:41:49] <SoyGuest61428> carny caught a carbuncle. So sade. Marquis de Sade.
[06:21:17] <Runaway1956> Scarfs are cool. Bow ties are not cool.
[06:21:48] * Runaway1956 looks to see what themightybuzzard is wearing
[09:17:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Breaks SMS on Many Android Phones, is Rolling Back Changes Now - https://sylnt.us
[09:25:41] <SoyGuest61428> So, no more spam texts on Android? Oh, the horror!
[11:24:31] <chromas> Don't worry; they're fixing it
[11:24:41] * chromas queues up the spaminator
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[12:29:06] <AzumaHazuki> holy hell, what a night...
[12:38:25] <requerdanos> Welcome home.
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[12:51:46] <AzumaHazuki> you know, i may have to take a break from SN just for my own sanity's sake. i see so much complete idiocy regarding this virus on that forum and it's fucking infuriating
[12:52:05] <AzumaHazuki> someone needs to grab about a dozen of the posters on this site and force them to tour a bunch of covid wards
[13:00:06] <FatPhil> with or without masks?
[13:02:18] <FatPhil> our govt has gone full UK/US retard during this 2nd wave. Every positive thing I said in the past (which was plenty) has now been retracted.
[13:07:33] <AzumaHazuki> christ
[13:07:46] <AzumaHazuki> i'm beginning to wonder if all the pain and struggle to make it this far was futile
[13:17:07] <FatPhil> it's a noisy signal, there will be peaks and troughs, that's to be expected. From a purely personal perspective, I can point to worse years.
[13:22:09] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I suspect the people you've helped over the years might offer a different perspective -- one of gratitude. Don't let the bozo's get you down. They're trying as best they can -- as poorly as it may be -- to make sense of things. They have their own fears and some choose ignorance over illumination. All I can do, really, is live my life as best I know how and hope that at some point they will come around to my perspective.
[13:22:09] <Bytram> Yes, it sucks.
[13:22:42] <AzumaHazuki> no, fuck them. they can go to hell. they can go directly to hell, without passing go or collecting $200
[13:23:10] <AzumaHazuki> their idiocy on a scale of tens of millions sunk this country. we're not recovering from this
[13:24:09] <Bytram> In a year or so, things will certainly look different. Hold steady and trust that *you* are also doing as best you can, but coming from a place of knowledge and experience... that they lack and are afraid to believe otherwise as it means change they are afraid of.
[13:24:21] <Bytram> =g Wizard's Rules
[13:24:22] <systemd> https://sot.fandom.com - Wizard's Rules | Sword of Truth Wiki | Fandom
[13:25:01] <AzumaHazuki> i'm out of sympathy for these people. they're permanently corrupted, stewed in a toxic marinade of ignorance and nihilism. there is no redemption on this earth for them any longer
[13:26:12] <Bytram> "There are none so blind as those who will not see." That's a quote from LONG ago; we're not the first to encounter this nor will we be the last. Sucks to be them.
[13:26:53] <Bytram> But their ignorance should not dissuade me from doing what I know is right.
[13:27:10] <AzumaHazuki> oh, it won't. i'm just sick of sharing a planet with them
[13:28:28] <Bytram> If I cannot convince them, and I probably cannot, then over time when they *personally* experience the ravages of this disease themselves, or see it happen to a loved one, well it'll suck to be them.
[13:30:04] <Bytram> I spent decades trying to convince developers about bugs in their code. Including many a "Prima Donald". Eventually, I gained their trust as I was consistent and thorough -- held my ground. I let the facts speak for themselves.
[13:30:16] <AzumaHazuki> nothing says they will, and nothing says they'll learn from it, and nothing says they won't do far more harm to others than themselves
[13:31:02] <AzumaHazuki> we're dealing with a lot more than corona denialism here. these people are radicals, Fox News jihadis, as froot-loops ratshit as any other religious fanatic.
[13:31:10] <Bytram> that's a whole lot of nothing in there. People, in my experience, do tend to pay attention when they are hurting.
[13:31:44] <Bytram> Whether an illness is their own or that of a loved one who suffers -- or dies.
[13:32:54] <Bytram> "Ignorance is bliss" -- another age-old maxim. We're not the first to encounter it. We've survived o far, we'll make it through this, too.
[13:33:50] <AzumaHazuki> we're not dealing with functioning humans here, Bytram. it is possible to sell your soul or so taint it with evil that you can no longer truly call yourself human any longer
[13:34:05] <Bytram> Would that we could do so with less suffering. All I can do it point out things as I see them, ask leading questions, and then let it go.
[13:34:24] <Bytram> Disagree.
[13:34:59] <AzumaHazuki> okay, feel free to, but i've experienced some things that led me to that conclusion. you can willingly, gleefully incinerate your human card, and there is no going back from that
[13:36:34] <Bytram> I personally know someone who was a mobster, a "heavy" or "enforcer" if you will. Caused tremendous pain and hardship, spent a *lot* of time in prison. And now he's the nicest guy you'd ever hope to meet. Generous, patient, gentle, selfless.
[13:37:19] <AzumaHazuki> he dulled his soul, he didn't sell it
[13:37:28] <AzumaHazuki> he wasn't a wild-eyed ranting loonie nutbird
[13:38:36] <Bytram> By any stretch of the imagination he was *nasty* and mean, someone would hope to never meet, even once. He would put the hurt on you without thinking twice about it.
[13:39:29] <AzumaHazuki> but, again, he wasn't a drooling fanatic. he remained in charge of his own faculties. i'm not saying he was a good person.
[13:39:32] <Bytram> I am not saying all "those people" will change. But to entirely rule it out for everyone seems equally misguided.
[13:40:05] <AzumaHazuki> put it this way: the chance of it happening anytime soon, and certainly "soon enough," are so low as not to be worth bothering with
[13:40:13] <Bytram> And, were you to ask me back then, I'd have thought he was hopeless.
[13:40:36] <AzumaHazuki> and they've already done fatal damage to the nation's institutions. we are not surviving the 2022 midterms intact and there may not be a 2024 election
[13:40:44] <AzumaHazuki> too much epistemic damage has been done
[13:42:01] <Bytram> Just maybe, I've seen a few more things over the years that looked hopeless. When I felt helpless. and, yet, here we are. I am not
[13:42:14] <Bytram> saying it will be easy or painless.
[13:42:33] <Bytram> But I refuse to believe that everything is hopeless.
[13:42:52] <Bytram> But I refuse to believe that *everything* is *hopeless*.
[13:44:12] <AzumaHazuki> oh, not everything is. but for me remaining here is suicidal. i saw this crap coming, pandemic or no pandemic, and it's why i want out as soon as possible
[13:44:35] <AzumaHazuki> people don't seem to understand the position the US is in and how precarious it is
[13:44:41] <Bytram> In my own way, I was as ignorant and defiant as you describe. I survived, changed, and have been able to help others who were similarly afflicted.
[13:45:04] <Bytram> American
[13:45:31] <Bytram> American's can be counted on doing the right thing, after they have exhausted trying all the wrong things.
[13:46:14] <Bytram> I gotta beg off soon, arms are getting sore again. :/
[13:46:46] <Bytram> Think I'll give another go at some ice packs.
[13:46:48] <Bytram> laters
[13:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.phoronix.com
[13:55:25] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[13:55:51] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[13:56:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you sound a bit ranty this morning. have you considered watching cat videos to increase your serenity?
[13:57:35] <AzumaHazuki> you sound a bit stupid and evil this lifetime. have you considered killing yourself so you spend less time in hell?
[13:57:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - High-End SATA SSD Shootout: Samsung 860 Pro Vs. Kingston DC500M - https://sylnt.us
[13:58:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd normally advise fishing but fishing in NY waterways, while it would solve your problem, is not conducive to a long and healthy life
[13:58:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, definitely ranty.
[13:59:00] <AzumaHazuki> not incorrect though
[13:59:14] <AzumaHazuki> sorry you don't like my tone, shitbird, but that doesn't make it wrong
[13:59:26] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[14:00:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> that wasn't dissatisfaction with your tone, that was friendly advice. my mood is excellent this morning and entirely unaffected by your own.
[14:01:03] <AzumaHazuki> and a drunkard can be perfectly happy sitting in a puddle of his own piss on the corner. what of it?
[14:01:19] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[14:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> be miserable if you like then. no skin off my nose.
[14:02:03] * TheMightyBuzzard steps out for a smoke and cat videos
[14:02:14] <AzumaHazuki> hey, you started it
[14:02:32] <AzumaHazuki> keep your beak out of places it doesn't belong and it won't get stepped on so much :)
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[17:12:23] * FatPhil has just got been blown up by his own jean luc petard
[17:13:33] <FatPhil> is there abot with a message-drop facility?
[17:13:51] <FatPhil> I have a question for ari
[17:14:57] <FatPhil> I want to delve into his attic.
[17:15:31] <FatPhil> the internet might have the answer, but the internet is no friend of my phone.
[17:16:03] <requerdanos> Many bots with message-drop exist.
[17:20:05] <FatPhil> I mean is there a bot on-chan doing that.
[17:21:40] <requerdanos> Just being a smart alec, sorry
[17:33:00] <Runaway1956> #tell FatPhil that you have message drop ability
[17:33:00] <MrPlow> Okay, I'll tell them next time I see them.
[17:33:50] <requerdanos> Now that's handy right there.
[17:34:34] <Runaway1956> I guess he won't "tell" until FatPhil is logged out and logged back in?
[17:34:41] <FatPhil> my mum would call that "a Carmodian answer" (her husband being surnamed 'Carmody')
[17:34:56] <FatPhil> I inherit the name, and the trait
[17:35:03] <FatPhil> requerdanos++
[17:35:03] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 10
[17:36:08] <Runaway1956> And, aren't surnames racissss or something?
[17:36:21] <Runaway1956> Everyone should get one name, no more, no less, everyone equal
[17:37:37] * Runaway1956 is seriously considering doing a dist-upgrade
[17:37:43] <requerdanos> from what to what?
[17:38:05] <Runaway1956> antix-19 to antix-19.3
[17:38:27] <requerdanos> oh, adventurous. My wife runs debian stable and I run testing.
[17:38:50] <Runaway1956> antix is the same thing, just systemd free
[17:39:05] <requerdanos> I suspect other tiny differences, but okay, thanks
[17:39:07] <Runaway1956> I can choose between stable and sid
[17:39:22] <Runaway1956> sorry, stable, testing, and sid
[17:39:35] <requerdanos> stable for servers, testing for desktops, sid if you have bleedingedgeitis
[17:39:56] <Runaway1956> I feel the -itis from time to time, lol
[17:40:26] <requerdanos> heck I am pretty sure I still have servers running oldstable
[17:50:52] <Runaway1956> Preparation is complete - do I pull the trigger now, or wait for the next power outage?
[17:53:03] <requerdanos> no one cares but you, in the final analysis
[17:54:43] <requerdanos> well, and your users of course
[18:02:18] <Runaway1956> https://sysdfree.wordpress.com
[18:02:19] <systemd> ^ 03A list of non-systemd distributions (revisited)
[18:02:36] <Runaway1956> Fortunately, I am the only user on my machine
[18:02:59] <Runaway1956> So, when I get the urge to do something crazy, no one suffers - but me
[18:11:58] <Bytram> Runaway1956: when
[18:12:13] <Bytram> Runaway1956: when's the last time you did a backup? AND tested it?
[18:12:45] * Runaway1956 doesn't do backups - backups are for sissies!!
[18:12:50] <Runaway1956> LOL
[18:13:17] <Runaway1956> Actually, I have a backup at hand, just haven't tested it
[18:13:31] <Runaway1956> did a disk copy to another hard disk
[18:15:22] <Bytram> that's good...
[18:15:55] <Bytram> did you inimstall your current disk and install the backup and try booting that?
[18:16:03] <Bytram> *uninstall
[18:17:20] <Runaway1956> Nahhhh, to much bother, lol
[18:17:41] <Runaway1956> will do so before I actually do the upgrade
[18:18:04] <Runaway1956> Actually, what I'll do is, reboot to the new ISO, by way of E2B
[18:18:20] <Runaway1956> then install over top of old installation
[18:18:32] <Runaway1956> already made a list of apps to reinstall afterward
[18:18:58] <Bytram> ISTR a discussion recently where I inquired about how to test a backup when one only has a single computer... what do you do if the backup is broken?
[18:19:26] <Runaway1956> Then, I'll do the backup again, over top of the broken backup
[18:19:54] <Runaway1956> Of course, I'm working with server hardware, with hot pluggable hard drives -
[18:20:07] <Runaway1956> it's a whole different world from the constraints of a laptop
[18:22:49] <Bytram> yes, it is.
[18:23:23] <Runaway1956> I do have a hardware problem that needs addressing though
[18:23:27] * Bytram has a laptop whose drive I can remove, but not something I'd like to do regularly
[18:23:32] <Runaway1956> my redundant power supply has died
[18:23:55] <Runaway1956> probably get a working pull from Ebay
[18:24:10] <Runaway1956> power supply costs over $300 new
[18:28:01] <Bytram> do you have a UPS?
[18:28:15] <Runaway1956> No, unfortunately, I do not
[18:28:46] <Runaway1956> had one that died, and haven't ever replaced it
[18:29:28] * Bytram swears by UPSs; saved my bacon so many times and... makes it so much easier to rearrange things. can move things all around the room without fear
[18:30:14] <Bytram> actually have everything mounted on a large desk w/ casters. easy peasy!
[18:36:38] <Runaway1956> TBH, no UPS that I've ever owned would be big enough for this honkin' server
[18:36:56] <Runaway1956> 1400 amp power supplies
[18:37:37] <Bytram> did you mmiss a decimal point?
[18:37:53] <Bytram> 1,400 amperes?
[18:38:15] <Bytram> and the units, too?
[18:38:32] <Runaway1956> ? 1400 watt, sorry
[18:38:42] <Bytram> mine is 1325 VA sine wave
[18:38:48] <Runaway1956> I know better, lol
[18:39:23] <Runaway1956> super micro PWS-1k41F-1R
[18:39:31] <Bytram> I coulda got the next size up, but for a lappy and a LCD TV for a display and some incidental other things, seemed plenty.
[18:41:19] <Bytram> also have a 900 VA and a couple 585 VA UPS's, too. though the battery is pretty well shot on the 585's
[18:41:56] * Runaway1956 has considered rebuilding the 1000 watt UPS using auto batteries
[18:42:09] <Runaway1956> of course, the new gel batteries would be better and safer
[18:42:36] <Bytram> deep discharge is a bad thing
[18:43:24] <Runaway1956> Watched a video using the new gel batteries, where deep discharge is less serious
[18:46:03] * Bytram prefers to let the pros design things when it comes to things like that
[18:46:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. Schools Are Buying Phone-Hacking Tech That the FBI Uses to Investigate Terrorists - https://sylnt.us - educational-discount
[18:54:39] <Bytram> before I get going too far, I really should expand the swap on this system
[18:55:23] <Bytram> have already locked things up once and had to restart when ran out of swap space.
[18:55:38] <requerdanos> "Drain the swap!"
[18:55:51] <Bytram> requerdanos++
[18:55:51] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 11
[18:56:06] <Bytram> Perfect, but HOW do I do that?
[18:56:18] <requerdanos> heh sudo swapoff
[18:56:53] <requerdanos> *ensure sufficient space for drainage
[18:57:08] <Bytram> don't know if that will blow things up atm
[18:57:29] <Bytram> how can I tell the system to quiesce any current swap?
[18:57:39] <requerdanos> I dunno, but swapon lets you add swap partitions one at the time
[18:57:51] <Bytram> free -m
[18:57:51] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[18:57:51] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1971 399 418 1364 1075
[18:57:51] <Bytram> Swap: 975 457 518
[18:58:26] <requerdanos> avail 1075, swap used 457, swapoff will work nicely
[18:58:33] <Bytram> so I could add a honkin big swap, but can I then turn off the current, little one?
[18:59:01] <Bytram> TLI5
[18:59:07] <requerdanos> you own it, thus you could opt for turning off the current at any time. Not, of course, advisable
[18:59:12] <Bytram> how can you tell from that?
[18:59:26] <Bytram> that I had space to do it>
[18:59:38] <requerdanos> Mem: available 1075 (free + buff/cache which is also free if needed)
[18:59:49] <requerdanos> swap: used 457 (is < 1075)
[18:59:59] <Runaway1956> There should be no need to turn off existing swap
[19:00:06] <Bytram> I see free mem of 399 and swap used ogf 457
[19:00:32] <requerdanos> free mem is literally unused, available is available even if currently caching something
[19:00:41] <Bytram> call me silly or old-fasioned, but I'd prefer to have swap contiguous
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> free -m
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> Mem: 63293 16980 36335 693 9976 44670
[19:00:56] <Runaway1956> Swap: 2047 0 2047
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> $ free -m
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> Mem: 64252 7295 38097 298 18859 57074
[19:01:18] <requerdanos> Swap: 24698 0 24698
[19:02:29] <Bytram> so, like I said, I see free mem of 399 and swap use of of 457... don't see how it would fit. must be missing something?
[19:02:50] <requerdanos> well, available is what you are looking for, not free
[19:03:07] <Bytram> oh, wait, mem *avail* of 1075 is the key>
[19:03:15] <Bytram> s/>/?/
[19:03:16] <SedBot> <Bytram> oh, wait, mem *avail* of 1075 is the key?
[19:03:26] <requerdanos> yes, exactly
[19:03:41] <Bytram> I hear, ua, but still a bit nervous
[19:04:01] <requerdanos> so you want to take swap offline, make a bigger swap thing, and put it back online?
[19:04:17] <Bytram> I can yes
[19:04:17] <requerdanos> because the kernel could care less whether the swap is contiguous
[19:05:04] <Runaway1956> you could use diskpart or similar, shrink your existing partitions then grow your swap partition
[19:05:16] <Runaway1956> but that's slow, and something of a pain
[19:05:26] <Bytram> understood. Comes from my many years working on old mainframes and old DOS; call it giving me some warm fuzzies
[19:05:28] <requerdanos> and not available for partitions that are currently mounted
[19:05:37] <Bytram> k
[19:05:47] <Bytram> https://askubuntu.com
[19:05:48] <systemd> ^ 03How do I increase swapfile in Ubuntu 18.04?
[19:06:27] * Bytram just closed a couple tabs... getting closer
[19:06:42] <Bytram> free -m
[19:06:42] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:06:42] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1970 430 358 1334 1135
[19:06:42] <Bytram> Swap: 975 456 519
[19:06:53] <requerdanos> I've never used a swapfile, only swap partitions
[19:07:10] <Bytram> I've got whatever Ubuntu Mate set up for me
[19:07:56] <requerdanos> what does cat /proc/swaps say?
[19:08:44] * Bytram jut minimized memory usage in FF thru: about:memory
[19:08:45] <Bytram> free -m
[19:08:45] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:08:45] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1812 577 366 1345 1285
[19:08:45] <Bytram> Swap: 975 453 522
[19:09:11] <Bytram> .
[19:09:14] <Bytram> cat /proc/swaps
[19:09:14] <Bytram> Filename Type Size Used Priority
[19:09:37] <Bytram> lol -- hexchat ate the leading "/"
[19:09:57] <requerdanos> ah, that explains it. i was wondering where the heck your swap could be
[19:10:01] <Bytram> here's the missing line: v
[19:10:09] <Bytram> here's the missing line: /dev/dm-1 partition 999420 464068 -2
[19:10:46] <requerdanos> well, I haven't a clue what /dev/dm-1 is, that's a new one on me
[19:11:26] <Bytram> can you tell why I did quite okay at QA? Seems to come naturally for me!
[19:11:27] <requerdanos> but it seems to be a swap partition, not a swapfile
[19:12:01] <requerdanos> to add swap I wonder could you just create a swapfile and then add it with swapon. don't see why not.
[19:12:49] <Bytram> ima gonna lose another FF (private) window; dumping links here for future reference: (1) https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com (2) https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com
[19:12:50] <systemd> ^ 03SpaceX Boca Chica - Production Updates - MASTER Thread (4)
[19:12:51] <systemd> ^ 03Starship SN8 Test Launch Campaign - UPDATES
[19:14:26] <Bytram> minimized FF memory
[19:14:29] <Bytram> nw have:
[19:14:30] <Bytram> free -m
[19:14:30] <Bytram> total used free shared buff/cache available
[19:14:30] <Bytram> Mem: 3735 1626 792 335 1316 1503
[19:14:30] <Bytram> Swap: 975 452 523
[19:14:54] <requerdanos> you have an amazing amount of free memory considering how tiny your system memory size is.
[19:15:25] <Bytram> I see free mem (792) > swap used (452)
[19:15:36] <Bytram> am I reading that correcly ??
[19:15:51] <requerdanos> you are reading that correctly.
[19:15:56] <requerdanos> of course, 1503 is available
[19:15:58] <Bytram> =)
[19:16:10] <Bytram> kewel
[19:16:28] <requerdanos> free -mh for human-readable units instead of just numbers
[19:16:28] <Bytram> really appreciate the assistance!
[19:16:52] <Bytram> :)
[19:16:57] <Bytram> tyvm!
[19:17:05] <requerdanos> I don't suppose "Install More Memory" is one of the choices?
[19:17:23] <Bytram> atm, not really.
[19:17:28] <Runaway1956> laptops are notorious for not being very upgradeable
[19:18:14] <Bytram> Sure, I *could*, but I'm looking to upgrade in ~6 months and this thing is *old*. would prefer to save the $$ for future system
[19:18:22] <requerdanos> makes sense.
[19:18:49] <Bytram> Since I have lots of free disk, and I rarely really load down the system, I can deall with swap (to an SSD, byw)
[19:19:04] <Bytram> *btw
[19:19:20] <requerdanos> beats the heck out of waiting for a hdd
[19:19:30] <Bytram> yes!
[19:19:42] <Bytram> So, I'm looking to follow: https://askubuntu.com
[19:19:43] <systemd> ^ 03How do I increase swapfile in Ubuntu 18.04?
[19:20:07] <requerdanos> your swap is to a volume mounted with lvm, not to a swapfile, it seems
[19:20:32] <Bytram> Scroll down to the answer with 103 upvotes
[19:20:41] <Bytram> sounds right
[19:21:20] <requerdanos> it says "except when lvm is used" and your swap is a mapped volume
[19:21:45] <requerdanos> making my cluelessness unhelpful to you, as I do not use lvm for anything
[19:22:45] <Bytram> hmm, where did you see the lvm being used on my system?
[19:22:48] <requerdanos> I wonder if you could use the relevant steps from that answer to just create a swapfile for additional swap, then add it live with swapon
[19:22:58] <requerdanos> in your /proc/swaps your swap is on a mapped volume
[19:24:10] <requerdanos> all the cool kids are using these kinds of things, leaving me as a greybeard out in the cold
[19:24:11] <Bytram> you mean /dev/dm-1
[19:24:14] <Bytram> ??
[19:24:18] <requerdanos> I mean dm-1 yeah
[19:24:54] <Bytram> is it it "Type" == "partition" that clued you in?
[19:25:33] <requerdanos> well, dm-1 means "Thing #1 mapped by device mapper"
[19:25:55] <Bytram> Ahhh. Mare see!
[19:25:59] <requerdanos> as opposed to a physical partition or file
[19:27:21] <Bytram> okaaay. I know about partitions and files. Not so much about device mapper
[19:27:27] * Bytram looks at: https://bitlaunch.io
[19:28:44] <requerdanos> kind of might make one miss the windows way of control panel -> system -> edit a text box -> poof, more swap
[19:29:32] <Bytram> "If it's very rare that you exceed your RAM, this isn't likely to cause major issues, but for systems with low memory and an SSD, it's not recommended."
[19:30:15] * Bytram has a 1 TB Samsung 860 EVO
[19:30:18] <requerdanos> SSDs have a finite lifespan in terms of number of writes, so using them for swap shortens their life by some amount, sure
[19:30:59] <requerdanos> my swap partition is on an SSD so I guess I live dangerously. (but I do not have low memory)
[19:31:00] <Bytram> I thnk it has a 5 year warranty
[19:31:35] <Bytram> yep, 5 year limited warranty
[19:33:17] <Bytram> I am sensitive to "memory pressure" (my first computer had 4 KB of memory) and I spent way too much time in config.sys and autoexec.bat trying to glean a few more free bytes to get things to run.
[19:33:55] <Bytram> So, I'm thinking that if I do not go nuts depending on lots of swap and overdo things, I *should* be okay
[19:36:45] <Bytram> according to: sudo lshw
[19:37:46] <Bytram> I have two identical banks of memory:
[19:37:49] <Bytram> *-bank:0
[19:37:49] <Bytram> description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1067 MHz (0.9 ns)
[19:37:49] <Bytram> product: HMT125S6TFR8C-H9
[19:37:49] <Bytram> vendor: Hynix Semiconductor (Hyundai Electronics)
[19:37:49] <Bytram> physical id: 0
[19:37:51] <Bytram> serial: 08613846
[19:37:53] <Bytram> slot: DIMM_A
[19:37:55] <Bytram> size: 2GiB
[19:37:57] <Bytram> width: 64 bits
[19:37:59] <Bytram> clock: 1067MHz (0.9ns)
[19:38:26] <Bytram> with *=bank:1 the same as above
[19:38:31] <requerdanos> I think you'll be fine swapping to your ssd
[19:38:50] <Bytram> got it. tx!
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[20:47:13] <FatPhil> Oi! Bytram! Kick the spammer!
[20:48:53] <Bytram> FatPhil: who would that be?
[20:49:51] <FatPhil> whomever did 17 consecutive lines to the chan
[20:49:56] <FatPhil> naughty boy
[20:49:58] <FatPhil> bad bad
[20:51:08] <Bytram> =blame
[20:51:09] * systemd points at Bytram
[20:51:22] * Bytram hangs head in shame
[20:51:36] <Bytram> ~burito
[20:51:42] <Bytram> #burito
[20:51:47] <Bytram> =burito
[20:51:56] <Bytram> nvm!
[21:00:21] <Runaway1956> essential chores finished - now I have to decide whether to go through with upgrading . . .
[21:00:29] <Runaway1956> maybe I watch a movie instead
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[21:19:54] <halibut> If Bytram really wants a burrito, Bytram might need to pony up an extra ``r''.
[21:20:42] <FatPhil> Bytram++
[21:20:42] <Bender> karma - bytram: 146
[21:21:00] <FatPhil> bytram++ just joshing, of course
[21:21:00] <Bender> karma - bytram: 147
[21:21:04] <Bytram> lol
[21:21:16] <FatPhil> it's been a fun evening
[21:21:38] <Bytram> joshingua tree?
[21:22:40] <FatPhil> my local pub had an idiot who tipped over a table, breaking a whole load of glasses
[21:27:56] <Bytram> wouldn't happen to be someone who recently had a leg in a cast?
[21:43:33] <FatPhil> quite the opposite
[21:44:05] <FatPhil> he was so angry I couldn't detect the accent
[21:44:30] <FatPhil> so I'm unable to perform any racist judgementalism
[21:44:43] <FatPhil> probably ...
[21:44:51] <FatPhil> you did that
[22:18:41] <chromas> Wow. Missed the daily sperg
[22:18:59] <chromas> Bytram: test your backup in a virtual machine running on the backed up pc
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[22:27:12] <Bytram> chromas: backup FooSys, and then run the backup FooSys' as a VM on FooSys?
[22:27:23] <chromas> yeah
[22:27:34] <chromas> just don't backup the vm 'cause that's a time sink
[23:27:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Space Station Spiders Found a Hack to Build Webs Without Gravity - https://sylnt.us - one-of-the-spiders-was-named-Charlotte
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