#soylent | Logs for 2020-12-08
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[23:02:39] <systemd> โ Sub-ccess! "03The Georgia Vote-Counting Video Was Not 'Debunked.' Not Even Close" (49 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:02:17] <systemd> Submitting "The Georgia Vote-Counting Video Was Not 'Debunked.' Not Even Close"...
[23:02:15] <carny> =submit keep-track-of-who-lies-to-you dept. https://thefederalist.com
[22:39:27] <chromas> aw, lame; rocket took a hanger
[22:36:55] <chromas> The timer's stuck. Must be running Windows 10
[22:36:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hollywood Blasts WarnerMedia's Plan to Send 17 Films Directly to HBO Max in 2021 - https://sylnt.us - movie-madness
[22:34:13] <chromas> Bytram's missing out
[22:34:09] <chromas> Forgot I had the tab open but I kept hearing quiet noise in the background
[22:33:42] <chromas> T-1:36
[22:33:32] <systemd> ^ 03Starship | SN8 | High-Altitude Flight Test
[22:33:31] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
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[20:27:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Famed Pilot Chuck Yeager Dies at Age 97 - https://sylnt.us - R.I.P.
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[19:34:26] <Bytram> later tater!
[19:34:15] <Bytram> got some folk to meet in a few hours, story queue looks good, why not nap?
[19:33:32] <Bytram> think I'm gonna take a nap, too.
[19:33:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, think i'll have a nap before i go be productive.
[19:20:46] <systemd> ^ 03Starship | SN8 | High-Altitude Flight Test
[19:20:44] <Bytram> Ooops, here's the correct SpaceX link: https://www.youtube.com
[19:20:14] <Bytram> "Teams working through additional test prep. Liftoff time TBD."
[19:19:41] <systemd> ^ 03Starship SN8 Test Launch Campaign - UPDATES
[19:19:41] <Bytram> Official SpaceX channel: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com
[19:18:53] <Bytram> still waiting on SpaceX SN8 test flight
[19:18:21] <systemd> ^ 03Starship SN8 Test Launch Campaign - UPDATES
[19:18:19] <Bytram> https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com
[19:15:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> seems like a waste since they're all going to end if you just sit back and watch cartoons.
[19:15:05] <systemd> ^ 03I Built a Hospital That Specializes in Ending Lives - Project Hospital
[19:15:02] <Cascade> https://www.youtube.com
[19:14:56] <systemd> ^ 03Woman Who Pulled Suitcases Of Ballots From Under Table In GA Is Seen Counting Same Ballots 3 TIMES! - YouTube
[19:14:55] <carny> you have to pause this one to read the comments but the fraud is unmistakable https://www.youtube.com
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[19:13:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucking microsoft. github doesn't work with palemoon anymore.
[19:13:27] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[19:12:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nice. that means you'll be the only one once the log gets indexed
[19:12:21] <systemd> https://quoteinvestigator.com - The Fellow Who Thinks He Knows It All Is Especially Annoying To ...
[19:12:20] <Bytram> =g Those people who think they know everything are so annoying to those of us who do
[19:12:10] <systemd> [0 results]
[19:12:09] <Bytram> =g "Those people who think they know everything are so annoying to those of us who do."
[19:11:57] <Bytram> "Those people who think they know everything are so annoying to those of us who do."
[19:11:11] * TheMightyBuzzard salutes General Relativity
[19:10:41] <carny> this insight served me well in future dealings in that particular situation but i must have let it get rusty in recent years
[19:10:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh they can understand the important bits. they don't necessarily need to be able to do a scientific proof on it.
[19:10:29] <Bytram> special or general?
[19:09:52] <carny> people who don't understand f=m*a are not capable of understanding relativity only pretending to do so
[19:09:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> like if you're trying to explain relativity, you do NOT need to be telling folks basic shit like about how force equals mass times acceleration.
[19:09:13] <carny> my mistake
[19:09:07] <carny> it turns out she was a sub-100 iq who liked pretending she was smarter than the people around her by repeating big words
[19:08:36] <carny> after getting over my feelings of failure i decided to back up and 'research my audience' which i should have done before starting
[19:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. it's much more efficient to answer only the obvious and/or universally necessary questions. the rest they can ask or look up themselves.
[19:07:47] <carny> eventually i was told that 'if your discussion can't fit on one side of a 3x5 card you don't know what you're talking about'
[19:07:04] <carny> after i while i was asked to shorten them drastically because they took too much time
[19:06:37] <carny> i thought that only a very intelligent person would be interested in such discussions so i would be as detailed and correct as possible
[19:05:56] <carny> i rememer a certain person who used to ask me me to present very technical content
[19:04:09] * TheMightyBuzzard loves the wild wild life video on account of having john goodman in it
[19:03:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> good point. perfectly valid stratagem if that's your goal.
[19:02:53] <Bytram> well, if the audience nods off to sleep, they're not likely to ask deep, probing questions!
[19:01:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nobody structures their shat well anymore though. i wanna hear the conclusion up front, going down into detail only as necessary. telling me shit i already know and understand, a.k.a. treating me like an idiot, is a fantastic way to get me to nod off on you.
[19:01:14] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Talking Heads - Wild Wild Life (Official Video) (03:41; 4,747,660 views; ๐32,092 ๐1,076)
[19:01:13] <Bytram> =yt wild wild life talking heads
[18:58:44] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Talking Heads - Wild Wild Life (Official Video)
[18:58:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt wild wild life
[18:58:39] <SedBot> <Bytram> thas diffrnt... tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, tell 'em, and then them what you told them. See also: topic paragraphs and topic sentences.
[18:58:39] <Bytram> s/des/ces/
[18:58:23] <Bytram> thas diffrnt... tell 'em what you're gonna tell 'em, tell 'em, and then them what you told them. See also: topic paragraphs and topic sentendes.
[18:57:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> for a speech though, you need to always state the whole point of everything up front. after that you go into what you expect your audience to have in the way of FAQ
[18:55:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, it's an explanation. if you want or need further details, ask.
[18:55:22] <Bytram> :D
[18:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, i stand corrected on those talking heads
[18:55:06] <Bytram> that is an *explanation*? I did not see anything *explained*
[18:54:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, check out the github repo, read README, do what it says
[18:53:45] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime (Official Video) (03:45; 33,926,865 views; ๐288,045 ๐9,618)
[18:53:43] <Bytram> =yt when days go by talking heads
[18:53:16] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Keith Urban - Days Go By (Official Music Video) (03:42; 6,005,522 views; ๐25,667 ๐1,119)
[18:53:15] <Bytram> =yt when days go by
[18:53:00] <Bytram> also, "talking heads are never worth listening to" ??
[18:51:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: So there are no things so complicated the they cannot be explained simply? Could you please explain how to download, install, and set up SoylentNews in 5 minutes?
[18:38:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, ima go have a cigarette then watch cat videos.
[18:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> "if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" -- that famous physics guy with the wild hair
[18:36:15] <carny> of live in ignorance i guess do whatever you like
[18:36:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, to me, someone trying to explain something but taking forever to get to the fucking point? it tells me they don't understand the shit they're talking about well enough to be pontificating on it in the first place.
[18:35:49] <carny> well then if you want some actual expertise maybe you should skip to 8.5 minutes and hear the expert tell you flat out
[18:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> talking heads are never worth listening to.
[18:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> experts can be worth listening to but they have a habit of never, ever just telling you flat out up front what the whole point of their blah blah blah is going to be. i don't have the patience to sit through even five minutes of someone talking if they're not going to get to the point.
[18:33:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, that's what i said. keep up, yo.
[18:33:05] <carny> which demonstrates the hypocrisy of the left such as almost all of the bbc
[18:32:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> not for credential reasons, for knowing what they're talking about and being worth arguing with reasons.
[18:32:45] <carny> they're not experts and they're crapping on the opinion of a real expert
[18:32:26] <carny> um i think maybe you should re-read what i first said
[18:31:58] <carny> although these presenters don't sound like they're manly enough to qualify as pompous
[18:31:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> unless they're experts and they're voicing an opinion, that's exactly what they are
[18:31:29] <carny> i suppose you could say that's what the bbc mostly is now yes
[18:31:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> and boring monotone for the scientist.
[18:30:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above re: pompous windbag talking heads
[18:30:38] <carny> ok but i still don't understand what that has to do with a bunch of bbc shills lying about covid testing
[18:29:59] <carny> which is complete pseudo-science garbage spread by people who should know better and repeated by people who know absolutely nothing about biolab work
[18:29:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ben stein played the astoundingly boring, monotone teacher in ferris bueller. sean hannity is a pompous windbag talking head.
[18:29:09] <carny> she's done buy 9.5 minutes in and then they begin disagreeing with her and trying to pretend that the pcr tests are somehow better than acual antibody-specific lateral flow tests
[18:27:50] <carny> you can skip to almost 9 minutes in if you just want to hear the scientist in question but the set-up explaining what she's talking about might be worth an additional 30 seconds of your day
[18:27:12] <carny> i have no idea what those would be so i don't know what you mean
[18:24:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8.5 minutes is about 7.5 minutes longer than i can put up with if you're doing either a ben stein or sean hannity impression
[18:21:18] <carny> 8.5 minutes in if you want a perfect example of why rational people don't believe this coronavirus garbage
[18:20:40] <carny> then they get an actual scientist dicussing actual data and giving an actual conclusion and suddenly it's all controversial and should be ignored
[18:19:52] <carny> these propaganda artists love to yell science! as if it's a magic word that crushes all dissent
[18:19:18] <carny> such hypocrites
[18:19:12] <systemd> ^ 03Newscast - Mask of the Day - BBC Sounds
[18:19:10] <carny> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[18:15:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Covid May Mean More Facial Recognition Tech - https://sylnt.us - ๐โ Big-Brother-likes-this
[17:48:53] <systemd> ^ 03China football: Hair colour cancels play at women's match
[17:48:52] <c0lo> https://www.bbc.com
[17:46:53] <systemd> โ Sub-ccess! "03Russian 'Doomsday' Plane's Radio Equipment Stolen by Thieves" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:46:31] <systemd> Submitting "Russian 'doomsday' plane's radio equipment stolen by thieves"...
[17:46:29] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[17:07:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it ain't even like he didn't know better than to put outlets and switches in the boxes before the sheetrock was up. he just didn't want to spend hours on a ladder making up circuits at our pull point boxes.
[17:06:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> me too. had to run up there just now anyway to undo all the shit TR had been doing lately to avoid doing what he should have been but didn't want to.
[17:03:57] <requerdanos> so sorry you'll still be hauling heavy things up/down stairs
[17:03:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i'll still be doing it, just after lunch or whenever my guts stop objecting to my culinary decisions.
[15:48:58] <FatPhil> haul more sweetpotato pie between kitchen and couch to compensate
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[15:25:41] <requerdanos> so sorry you won't be hauling heavy things up/down stairs
[15:02:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> looks like i have the morning off due to a rather spicy batch of hotwings for dinner last night. think i'll go lounge on the couch, read a book, and have sweet tater pie and coffee for breakfast.
[15:00:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> does seem so
[14:54:27] <requerdanos> In the current U.S. political climate, one might be forgiven for thinking that's a direct observation rather than just faith?
[14:43:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have faith that we can always pull an extra bit of crazy stupid out of our asses.
[14:42:00] <requerdanos> Didn't say they would be intelligent nor sane, as that would be a departure from normal.
[14:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> never underestimate the stupidity or insanity of a crowd
[14:40:43] <requerdanos> I would say at this point, humanity would not be fazed by aliens
[14:38:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll drag my feet another half hour before i go spend four hours going up and down stairs, carrying heavy shit.
[14:33:27] <FatPhil> Not sure why I'm asking the state of Ohio for help.
[14:33:13] <systemd> โ Sub-ccess! "03Former Israeli Space Security Chief Says Aliens Exist, Humanity Not Ready" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:33:08] <FatPhil> OH, systemd's not dead
[14:32:51] <systemd> Submitting "Former Israeli space security chief says aliens exist, humanity not ready"...
[14:32:50] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.jpost.com
[14:32:45] <FatPhil> In that case, I can shitsub!
[14:30:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, that's not an admins thing that's a chromas thing. the only official SN bots are Bender, Loggie, and Regurgitator
[14:09:12] <c0lo> Hey, adms, systemd's dead
[13:58:58] <c0lo> =submit https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[13:57:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - WOZWHAT? Steve Wozniak is Starting Another Company, 45 Years after Co-Founding Apple with Steve Jobs - https://sylnt.us - energy-free-eco-coins
[13:52:13] <systemd> โ Sub-ccess! "03Ransomware Operators Have Adopted a Dastardly New Strategy" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:51:51] <systemd> Submitting "Ransomware operators have adopted a dastardly new strategy"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.techradar.com )
[13:51:50] <c0lo> =submit https://www.techradar.com
[13:02:41] <c0lo> Don't worry, 'Zumi. That too shall come to pass (grin)
[12:46:37] <AzumaHazuki> turns out...so did i. from the start. and i'd been told 6 different flavors of wrong from 6 different people
[12:46:12] <AzumaHazuki> finally, finally got a trainer who knows what she's doing
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[11:46:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 25 Years Ago: Galileo Spacecraft Reaches Jupiter - https://sylnt.us - stars-call-to-us
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[09:53:16] <c0lo> RIH Uber
[09:39:19] <FatPhil> RIP Chuck Yaeger
[09:38:56] <FatPhil> when Uber started its self-driving division in 2016, then-CEO Travis Kalanick called it "basically existential" for the company ... Uber is going to be transferring its 1200 employee self-driving division to driverless vehicle start-up Aurora
[09:36:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Quantum Device Performs 2.6 Billion Years of Computation in 4 Minutes - https://sylnt.us - seeing-the-light
[09:30:04] <FatPhil> Pie iesu domine ueber alles
[09:17:55] <aristarchus_> Cops with guns alway Trump science, right? Galileo? Bruno?
[09:17:31] <systemd> โ Sub-ccess! "03Armed Police Raid Home of Florida Scientist Fired Over Covid-19 Data" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:17:09] <systemd> Submitting "Armed police raid home of Florida scientist fired over Covid-19 data"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[09:17:08] <aristarchus_> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[09:16:55] <systemd> aristarchus_, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (195418469), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[09:16:33] <systemd> Submitting "Why are some scientists turning away from brain scans?"...
[09:16:28] <aristarchus_> =submit https://apnews.com
[08:35:56] <c0lo> chromas ^^^
[08:35:48] <c0lo> Bytram, FatPhil - the above is Breaking news
[08:35:41] <systemd> โ* Sub-ccess! "08Coronavirus Vaccine Developed by Pfizer/BioNTech Administered to First Patient in the United Kingdom" (46 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:35:19] <systemd> Submitting "Coronavirus vaccine developed by Pfizer/BioNTech administered to first patient in the United Kingdom - ABC News"...
[08:35:17] <c0lo> =submit 90yo first person that received the Pfizer vaccine in UK's mass vaccination program https://www.abc.net.au
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[07:45:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Zoom or Boom? Spacex Announces 12.5 km Test Launch of Starship Sometime on Tuesday [Updated] - https://sylnt.us - up-goer-8
[07:27:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rise of the Underdog: A Neglected Mechanism in Antiferromagnets May be Key to Spintronics - https://sylnt.us - Taking-AFMs-out-for-a-spin
[05:25:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Zoom or Boom? Spacex Announces 12.5 km Test Launch of Starship Sometime on Tuesday - https://sylnt.us
[05:23:52] <systemd> ^ 03Starship | SN8 | High-Altitude Flight Test
[05:23:50] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.youtube.com
[05:22:16] <Bytram> teams spiritedaway
[05:21:00] <chromas> you take that back right now, Bender!
[05:15:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wormable, Zero-Click Vulnerability in Microsoft Teams - https://sylnt.us - wormable-lke-a-green-apple
[05:06:37] <c0lo> Likely, GA will join the ICU major league tomoz.
[05:06:04] <systemd> ^ 03Americaโs COVID warning system.
[05:06:04] <c0lo> Infection rate in Georgia feels the enthusiasm of Trump/Kraken/#FightLikeAFlinn rally tour, on the upper trend https://covidactnow.org
[04:59:37] <chromas> Yay, big league!
[04:58:20] <systemd> ^ 03Americaโs COVID warning system.
[04:58:20] <c0lo> 5 states ran out of ICU places today (Tennessee just promoted in the major league today), with another 2 at 98% https://covidactnow.org
[04:26:04] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus Italy: Man walks 450km after lockdown row with wife
[04:26:03] <c0lo> https://www.bbc.com
[04:26:01] <c0lo> I wonder how would it be if the Americans would walk 300 miles to cool off whatever made them angry. Like, everytime they get angry
[04:20:38] <systemd> โ Sub-ccess! "03Andhra Pradesh: 'Mystery' Illness Puts Hundreds in Hospital" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:20:17] <systemd> Submitting "Andhra Pradesh: 'Mystery' illness puts hundreds in hospital"...
[04:20:15] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[04:15:19] <chromas> Putting out nvidia driver for the next kernel before putting out the next kernel
[04:14:39] <Bender> karma - archlinux: 68
[04:14:39] <chromas> archlinux--
[03:39:54] <lld> "Buy Enron" โSen. Larry Dixon
[03:39:35] <chromas> "Don't install the latest systemd version" โSen. Larry Dixon
[03:39:30] <lld> isn't that where all the cousins get together? :)
[03:39:12] <lld> sweet soul allahbama
[03:22:13] <systemd> ^ 03Former Alabama Sen. Larry Dixon died from COVID. His last words were a warning.
[03:22:12] <c0lo> Origin: https://www.al.com
[03:21:39] <systemd> ^ 03Former Alabama senator dies from COVID-19 at age 78 and issues warning
[03:21:36] <c0lo> https://www.dailymail.co.uk
[03:08:01] <systemd> ^ 03It's time you learned the truth about geese
[03:08:00] <halibut> Unicorn chaser: We have nothing to fear except geese: https://www.theverge.com
[03:06:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NSA Says Russian State Hackers Using a VMware Flaw to Ransack Networks - https://sylnt.us - From-Russia-with-Malice
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[02:28:56] <AzumaHazuki> i know they don't blame me
[02:28:52] <AzumaHazuki> there was no possible way i could have. it would have requied a lot of money, and in some cases being physically present at impossible times. i've still got survivor's guilt though
[02:28:33] * TheMightyBuzzard fucks off
[02:28:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine->book->sleep
[02:28:23] <AzumaHazuki> ...you know, one of the reasons i work in medicine is in memory of the friends i couldn't save as a teenager and young adult.
[02:26:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it's factory, i tip my hat to the codemonkey who slipped that one through
[02:26:37] * AzumaHazuki now wonders if someone on staff does that or if it's set that way ex-factory
[02:26:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> wish i had though
[02:26:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't program them, i swear
[02:25:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[02:25:50] <AzumaHazuki> "that is an oddly specific number"
[02:25:41] <AzumaHazuki> ...oh. OH. I just got why the Pyxis machines are set to 80085 default for patient-specific stock :V
[02:25:25] <chromas> see, you're doing canadian expressions already
[02:25:16] <c0lo> Zumi, get your ass where you want to live sooner rather than later. The more you wait the harder it is.
[02:25:16] * Runaway1956 doesn't admire a flat chest, but anything larger than 32b can be interesting
[02:24:41] <AzumaHazuki> damn right. i am of course a bit biased :v
[02:24:40] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 148
[02:24:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8008135++
[02:24:32] <chromas> zumi the chestshamer
[02:24:28] <Runaway1956> ?????
[02:24:14] <AzumaHazuki> let's be real, the "delicious flat chest" crowd is a bunch of pedos. Big breasts are a mark of adulthood, at least in Euro-stock people
[02:24:12] <c0lo> We change our govt every 3 years. Sometimes more often.
[02:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, which is weird since most japanese women have small tiddies
[02:23:42] <chromas> and smol anime tiddies
[02:23:42] <Runaway1956> moving expenses for two suitcases and a home made bed and a home made computer shelf
[02:23:40] <AzumaHazuki> oh, yeah, i'm going to attempt the job offer route no matter what. it's just, i like the idea of not needing one, and that border's not gonna open for a while anyway
[02:23:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> going? they took away fucking toy guns.
[02:23:22] * c0lo promissing that I won't ask for social security for 2 years
[02:23:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> so get yourself a previous job offer. might even get moving expenses.
[02:23:04] <AzumaHazuki> Australia is not going to remain safe much longer. your government is going nuts
[02:22:43] * c0lo got here with about USD4.5k
[02:22:36] <Runaway1956> that, or a buck two eight
[02:22:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> so a buck fiddy in real dollars?
[02:22:16] <AzumaHazuki> about 15K CAD is enough to walk over the border without a previous job offer. I'm around halfway there saving
[02:22:09] * Runaway1956 thinks she needs about 99.99 Canadian dollars
[02:21:49] <c0lo> ^ from curiosity
[02:21:39] <c0lo> zumi, how much money do you think you need? (if you don't want to, don't answer)
[02:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, it's so safe here it's boring as shit.
[02:21:22] <AzumaHazuki> truth is, i know i don't really belong in this world. there are subtle tells all over the place. i'm a discordant note in the quantum symphony
[02:20:59] <Runaway1956> also, don't sit in front of a Chinese guy on a Greyhound bus in Canada
[02:20:52] <systemd> ^ 03Culture technology - Victoria 2 Wiki
[02:20:51] <lld> https://vic2.paradoxwikis.com
[02:20:50] <lld> lose your house to anarchic bomb throwers
[02:20:43] <AzumaHazuki> overall i'll be a lot safer there than here. it's a question of making it there
[02:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, now i wanna watch the holy grail
[02:20:16] <Runaway1956> Don't forget the mad shooters - Canada has them too
[02:20:14] <c0lo> I see it happening almost on yearly basis around here.
[02:20:05] <AzumaHazuki> true. moose bites etc etc
[02:19:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> moose attack
[02:19:51] <AzumaHazuki> entirely possible, though not likely where i live and am planning to live
[02:19:47] <c0lo> And you get from start.
[02:19:35] <c0lo> Meh, zumi, you may get there and lose your house in a forrest fire or land slide.
[02:19:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> money setbacks aren't tragic if they don't put you on the street, just inconvenient.
[02:19:15] <lld> despite all that, the sun still rises in the east
[02:18:53] <AzumaHazuki> all setbacks are not equal, and if you have too many of the big ones with no chance to recover you eventually run out of power. your body takes epigenetic damage and your organ systems are affected
[02:18:46] <Runaway1956> Yeah, it happens to the best of us . . .
[02:18:41] <lld> that and accepting that the world goes on fine even after your passing
[02:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> zumi, your entire life is going to have setbacks happen all throughout it. doesn't matter if you're joe the bum or prince harry. it's just how life goes.
[02:18:08] <AzumaHazuki> tert-amyl alcohol is legal, and metoclopramide is a common dopamine antagonist used for intractable nausea and sometimes GI immobility
[02:17:56] <lld> nobody else in the household did
[02:17:44] <lld> he managed to graduate
[02:17:40] <lld> my dad obviously
[02:17:29] <Runaway1956> Who got the better grades, your dad, or the lamp?
[02:17:24] <lld> I doubt that'll still be legal by the time I get to it
[02:17:13] <lld> my dad studied with kerosene lamps
[02:17:03] <AzumaHazuki> no. in the bedroom, with the 2-methane-2-butanol and the metoclopramide
[02:17:01] <Runaway1956> Jumping Jack Flash?
[02:16:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> lld, Runaway1956: in the study, with the candlestick
[02:16:17] <lld> now taking bets
[02:16:14] * Runaway1956 chuckles
[02:16:09] <AzumaHazuki> so yes, i'd rather die. i've had enough
[02:16:02] <AzumaHazuki> a year or two of setback in this economy and country is deadly and i'm not young any longer
[02:15:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> really?
[02:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd rather die than have a year or two worth of setback?
[02:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> setbacks happen.
[02:15:18] <AzumaHazuki> i'd rather die than end up in a situation like that. death holds no terror for me. more of my friends are dead than alive by now
[02:14:56] <AzumaHazuki> and that will erase all the work i've done saving up to get the fuck out of here
[02:14:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you'll get the treatment at a sweetheart rate. if it ends up being seven figures you do like everyone else always has and file bankruptcy on it.
[02:14:24] <AzumaHazuki> yeah no. sorry. not buying that claptrap
[02:14:13] <lld> more and more things are considered basic needs once the baser ones are fulfilled :)
[02:13:38] <AzumaHazuki> oh, legally they can't...but they can stick me with a 7 figure bill and then go "what, you're making like 2.5x the national poverty line, we're not helping you"
[02:13:34] <lld> >implying there won't be more basic needs
[02:13:25] <Runaway1956> so, Zumi admits that the best part of her ran down RayGun's pant leg?
[02:13:25] <c0lo> Not that the shit higher in Maslow's hierachy is less stressful. That's how human mind works.
[02:13:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, don't freak out too hard over it. i've never heard of a healthcare institution that would turn employees away without treatment, even if they couldn't afford it right off.
[02:12:59] <AzumaHazuki> how about I blame Reagan for shoving us down the wrong leg of the trousers of time almost a decade before i was born?
[02:12:33] <Runaway1956> well, blame Obama for not pushing through single payer health care
[02:12:32] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo, it's about Maszlow's Hierarchy. I'll be much calmer when i'm assured my basic needs aren't in jeopardy
[02:12:08] <c0lo> It'll be other flavours of shit, perhaps in higher amounts.
[02:12:07] <AzumaHazuki> there is something...uniquely, exquisitely horrible about making a fulltime healthcare worker in the middle of a pandemic hotspot do without healthcare
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[02:11:39] <c0lo> What Runaway said, 'zumi
[02:11:36] <AzumaHazuki> yes, i will be. that means i am officially in and will have healthcare
[02:11:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes she will, benefits will pay for medical pot
[02:11:23] <Runaway1956> no you're not
[02:11:14] <AzumaHazuki> once this damn probationary period's over i'm going to be a lot more relaxed
[02:10:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> they only deconstruct the things mommy and daddy like. either think critically about everything or don't bother with it at all.
[02:10:39] * chromas pulls the nails from the nail puller
[02:10:08] <lld> chromas: deconstruct the deconstruction :)
[02:09:55] <chromas> Which is always, btw
[02:09:45] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs at c0lo
[02:09:33] <chromas> I only think critically when I know facts agree with my opinion
[02:09:20] * Runaway1956 hasn't seen any medium in the news forecasting the end of The Year of the Covids
[02:09:19] <c0lo> That didn't stop the Ozzie govt to sign something on the line of "If you have something that provably works, we want that many. Money on delivery"
[02:09:16] * MrPlow smakes lld upside the head with wonderment
[02:09:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake lld
[02:09:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> haven't in some time
[02:08:59] <lld> you should only critically think of some subjects, not all
[02:08:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> they don't
[02:08:49] * TheMightyBuzzard cackles
[02:08:39] <systemd> ^ 03Why Schools Shouldn't Teach Generic Critical-Thinking
[02:08:38] <chromas> https://www.intellectualtakeout.org
[02:07:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> there wasn't a vaccine in late summer. at least not one that was out of trials.
[02:07:04] <systemd> ^ 03Covid-19 Live Updates: Trump Officials Passed When Pfizer Offered to Sell More Vaccine Doses in Late Summer ( https://www.nytimes.com )
[02:07:01] <c0lo> Ah, yes, that's just in https://www.nytimes.com
[02:06:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> medical stuff is always understaffed. unless they're overstaffed, which is another problem.
[02:06:04] <AzumaHazuki> and it's not even one of the biggest ones like Buffalo General! I don't even want to imagine how nuts it must be there
[02:05:35] <AzumaHazuki> this place is understaffed
[02:05:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't work out too well since he brought printed copies to the meeting and kept another set at home.
[02:05:29] <AzumaHazuki> i hope i can get along with the other night IV tech, since it's just us in there on nights. we have to have each others' back. stat orders for Lord knows what can pop up any time
[02:05:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> TR actually had one of the higher ups at his last job delete the email he sent him (after things went titsup) so he could throw him under the bus.
[02:04:42] <c0lo> Hence, nightlong bug hunting.
[02:04:30] <c0lo> Same in SoftEng. Except that you need to show something working from time to time.
[02:03:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, papertrail is rarely a bad thing when dealing with bureaucracies
[02:03:39] <c0lo> Works, because I'm asking for the reminder in an email.
[02:03:11] <c0lo> I'm lazy, I ask to an email with the deatils, because I might forget something in the heat of the things.
[02:02:58] <AzumaHazuki> meanwhile i get bitched out for leaning a couple of inches too close in to make sure i am 50-microlitre-accurate on my draw-up
[02:02:47] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[02:02:28] <AzumaHazuki> it's not so much said as did in cases like this. we get it hammered home that you do not shadow critical surfaces in the hood and then about every damn trainer i've had constantly does
[02:01:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you listen. and then you file it under "bloody stupid shit Sam said"
[02:01:48] <Runaway1956> he could be faking you out
[02:01:41] <Runaway1956> Nahhh, you actually listen, to learn how damned big a fool he is
[02:01:19] <c0lo> You shutup and pretend to listen.
[02:00:55] <Runaway1956> FNG
[02:00:54] <Runaway1956> in fact, there's a title for that
[02:00:44] <Runaway1956> We've all been in exactly that spot zumi - someone talking shit that's worse than wrong, but since you're the new guy, you shut up and listen
[02:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> they need to make sure
[02:00:23] <AzumaHazuki> "What's the difference between God and a surgeon?" "God doesn't think he's a surgeon"
[02:00:10] <AzumaHazuki> ...uh, they need to be taught? i kind of figured it was a prerequisite personality trait
[01:59:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> actually, i think doctors have to take like 12 hours of How to Think You're God classes
[01:59:09] <AzumaHazuki> ego ego everywhere. there is no room for that shit in medicine, damn it. ego kills patients.
[01:58:59] <Runaway1956> I'm almost curious . . .
[01:58:58] <c0lo> I have surprising good experiences in re stupid bosses. Happened for less than 1/2 of my career.
[01:58:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, just like the pope's ring.
[01:58:38] <AzumaHazuki> some of these people really do not seem to know what they're doing, but i can't say that because holy shit, i'm new and they're not
[01:58:25] <Runaway1956> Buzzard has holy balls?
[01:58:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, non-work stupid is another matter entirely and likely even intentional
[01:57:53] <Runaway1956> If they shit on nightshift, remind them that it takes 120 people to keep day shift together, but 27 on nightshift make the same production
[01:57:47] <AzumaHazuki> ...that's...yeah not touching that one, holy balls
[01:57:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're always going to get stupid from above. unless you work for me. but i'm not hiring right now.
[01:57:23] <c0lo> TMB, I rarely want a job with stupid bosses.
[01:56:49] * AzumaHazuki hates office politics, took the night shift explicitly to avoid them...ick
[01:56:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, depends on if you want the job or not
[01:56:33] <AzumaHazuki> that kind of is covering your ass though, with a paper trail
[01:56:16] <c0lo> Nope, the proper response to the boss being stupid is to cover your ass. Or take your leave.
[01:56:07] <AzumaHazuki> she basically said the quiet part loud, which was more or less "if they're cutting corners, fuck them, it's on their head, not yours. smile and nod and do what you're told and then do it your way once probation's over"
[01:55:36] <AzumaHazuki> she and i resonate very well, partly due to having some similar life experiences
[01:55:29] * Runaway1956 thought "difficult" was a compliment
[01:55:21] <AzumaHazuki> TMB: indeed. that's what the union rep i'm talking with basically says
[01:55:18] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[01:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> but to make sure you have it either in writing or recorded first.
[01:54:48] <c0lo> Who do you think makes work plans before Xmas?
[01:54:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> the proper response to intense stupidity from your boss is to turn off your brain and do exactly what they tell you to
[01:54:38] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, sorry for caring about whether or not we give people blood poisoning, dipshits
[01:54:10] <AzumaHazuki> i've had it up to here and i'm sure i've already been branded "difficult"
[01:53:55] <AzumaHazuki> no idea, they keep fucking it up. there's talk of rotating back to day shift but no concrete plans
[01:53:45] <c0lo> (for now)
[01:53:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> never ends for medical folks. they have to have so many hours of continuing ed every year.
[01:53:34] <c0lo> But it's the probation that's zumi's problem.
[01:53:09] <c0lo> Life long.
[01:52:53] <chromas> How much more training?
[01:52:29] <AzumaHazuki> this is why i hate the fucking day shift. i can actually sense the lines of power along clique boundaries, like walking through an electric spider web
[01:52:00] <AzumaHazuki> yes. yes there was.
[01:51:55] <chromas> Was there a head wag as well?
[01:51:36] <AzumaHazuki> still, when "Okay, Linda showed me X and you do Y, which is the One True Way (TM)" gets "don't you gimme nunna that attitude! *finger wave*" then something ist verfucht
[01:51:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> the main difference between a bunch of women working and a bunch of guys working is we don't take work arguments personal, even if we're spraying spit and flailing our arms while it's happening
[01:51:07] <AzumaHazuki> no, much less irritating
[01:50:56] <Runaway1956> so, you're saying they're just like guys? young and dumb and full of cum?
[01:50:18] <AzumaHazuki> they at least don't have the younger/dumber man's additional problem of gigantic egos, but there's functionally not much difference
[01:49:50] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[01:49:38] <AzumaHazuki> also younger and/or dumber women make me nuts. like, say, 5 of the trainers i've had. dumbshits who care more about protecting some kind of imaginary turf than teaching a newbie properly
[01:49:07] <Runaway1956> ??? you mean some women don't hear that tone crap either?
[01:48:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you'd looooooove my stepmom then
[01:48:54] <AzumaHazuki> not a fan of working with guys, sorry to say. they're okay in small doses but shit, so much ego
[01:48:41] <AzumaHazuki> i like working with the women equivalents
[01:48:31] <SedBot> <Renewa1956> reminds zumi that guys don't even hear tone, which is why we talk loud
[01:48:30] <Runaway1956> s/lout/loud/
[01:48:20] * SedBot offers Rinuwi1956 a /
[01:48:20] <Runaway1956> s/lout/loud
[01:48:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you'd probably enjoy working with him. grouchy old fuckers who really know their shit are about the best folks possible to work with.
[01:48:07] * Runaway1956 reminds zumi that guys don't even hear tone, which is why we talk lout
[01:47:43] <AzumaHazuki> i realize English isn't itself a tonal language like Mandarin Chinese, but tone plays a role
[01:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, that's exactly the kind of attitude the HR guy needs to have with folks bringing him bullshit
[01:47:23] <Runaway1956> Or, I'd set conditions that would ensure they fired me first
[01:47:18] <AzumaHazuki> you're not awesome
[01:47:13] <AzumaHazuki> yeah the "?" was tonal sarcasm
[01:46:44] <Runaway1956> FUCK THAT!! I AIN'T TAKING THAT JOB!
[01:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> really, what you should do for HR is hire the best working, grouchiest old bastard you have in maintenance as the head.
[01:46:10] * Runaway1956 notes that she posed a question, rather than making a statement - the girl is learning
[01:45:26] * TheMightyBuzzard eggs the chickens
[01:45:12] * chromas puts tmb into a coop
[01:44:59] <chromas> bock
[01:44:55] <AzumaHazuki> ...you're not awesome though?
[01:44:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> important hyphen there
[01:44:38] <Runaway1956> Hey zumi - if you want to be as awesome as me, you'll need to learn how to tell a manager that he's an asshole - and make him like it
[01:44:37] <AzumaHazuki> i've had enough. the entire world is fucking delusional
[01:44:26] <AzumaHazuki> the entire corporate world is insane. if i ever make it to Halifax, I may very well just drop out of traditional work entirely after a few years and work in a co-op or something
[01:43:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i wouldn't mind it if they put folks who used to do the job in HR. them not knowing what the fuck they're even hiring for is insane.
[01:43:07] <Runaway1956> I preferred "personnel managers" - they were assholes, everyone knew it, and nobody cared.
[01:43:07] <AzumaHazuki> i hear "human resources," i think "Soylent System from Xenogears, except they throw us in the grinder while we're still alive"
[01:42:36] <AzumaHazuki> since they're always managers first and people second. don't get me started on "human resources," which is one of the most Orwellian, nauseating pieces of corporate euphemism i've ever heard
[01:42:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd be cranky too if you had to wear a monkey outfit with a leash all day and had a job that was so useless you had to constantly justify it
[01:41:53] <AzumaHazuki> management is always the enemy functionally too, even if they're individually decent people
[01:41:24] <Bender> Added quote 1012
[01:41:24] <chromas> !grab Runaway1956
[01:41:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right. between ETS from the army and moving to tulsa to be a hvac/plumbing guy.
[01:41:15] <AzumaHazuki> good. suits are almost universally the enemy
[01:41:12] <Runaway1956> I felt bad, because I missed the guy on the end
[01:40:51] <Runaway1956> when the suits stopped at my hole in the ground, I slung a shovel full of mud across almost all of them
[01:40:35] <Runaway1956> kept my head down so I had plausible deniability
[01:40:22] <Runaway1956> saw out of the corner of my eye about five peeple in suits
[01:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> i worked for medical folks a bunch back around... when the fuck was that? like... hmm... not sure, i was drunk a lot back then.
[01:40:16] <AzumaHazuki> as a tech i'm something like a traveling cellular organelle synthesizing and delivering essential subcomponents. we've all got almost robotic functions to perform. my task right now is to learn this stuff ASAP so it becomes muscle memory
[01:40:11] <Runaway1956> Years ago, was working in a hole in the ground
[01:39:59] <Bender> Added quote 1011
[01:39:59] <chromas> !grab AzumaHazuki
[01:39:44] * Runaway1956 laughs at dickweeds in suits
[01:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh they try, but like i said...
[01:39:33] <Runaway1956> or, or , or
[01:39:28] <AzumaHazuki> i bet some overpromoted cigar-chomping dickweed in a pinstripe suit would
[01:39:28] <Runaway1956> Or, your oxygen machine is spewing nasty wet air
[01:39:06] <Runaway1956> If the sprinklers are going off, who is going to insist that I wait for the fucking clock?
[01:38:49] <Runaway1956> 'Zumi - ask yourself a question:
[01:38:34] <AzumaHazuki> they kind of need to be. a hospital is a giant superorganism
[01:38:29] * Runaway1956 is an asshole
[01:38:25] <AzumaHazuki> different world. these healthcare places are seriously regimented
[01:38:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, nah, the boss is an asshole
[01:38:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, he ain't wrong. nobody who fucks with old guys who carry tools over piddly shit ever gets any traction.
[01:38:07] <Runaway1956> I'm the guy that most people wish they could be - TMB is the guy I wish I could be
[01:36:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm that guy who comes in after everyone's had a chance to get their feet under them and down a cup of coffee, punches no clock but gets right to work, keeps working until it's either done or dinner time has rolled around, and sends a bill to whoever is paying
[01:36:09] <Runaway1956> Of course not, you don't speak the same language that maintenance people speak.
[01:35:46] <AzumaHazuki> not sure if that's the word i'd use, precisely, but okay
[01:35:26] <Runaway1956> Same as our policy - but I don't observe policy because I'm important
[01:34:57] <AzumaHazuki> HR policy says 7 minutes margin of error, i.e., if you clock in 7+ minutes early you end up in OT
[01:33:16] <Runaway1956> When I arrive at work, I go straight to work.
[01:33:00] <Runaway1956> I'm that guy who reaches around you, or over you, to clock in because I don't wait for the clock
[01:30:37] <AzumaHazuki> i'm that girl who's standing there in front of the punchclock waiting for 5 minutes to the hour so i can clock in
[01:30:21] <AzumaHazuki> i'm there early every day and have never missed a day or been late
[01:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah but it takes a little longer to find out if you're going to show up every day and such too. apparently that's not as common as you'd think.
[01:28:34] <AzumaHazuki> </rant>
[01:28:32] <AzumaHazuki> look, dipfucks, if I couldn't do the job, you'd know within a week. i picked up on unit-dosing and rounding in 3 days what some people don't get in 20+ years. i can do the goddamn job.
[01:27:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> so TR is out of state for the week leaving me to haul all the shit that's in the way of the drywall guys downstairs, upstairs. who wants before and after pictures of my ass after a million trips up and down stairs carrying stuff?
[01:27:23] <AzumaHazuki> ...yeah, they suck
[01:27:18] <AzumaHazuki> probation thing
[01:27:13] <AzumaHazuki> christ, whoever invented this "90 days"
[01:25:54] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[01:25:54] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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