#soylent | Logs for 2020-11-28

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[00:00:36] <AzumaHazuki> all true, but we're talking about people who don't give a shit for reality. and what, exactly, are we going to do if they decide to go full coup? there's nothing we can do before the fact, for sure
[00:08:42] <c0lo> Those people are not in the SCOTUS.
[00:10:20] <c0lo> You'll find them on parler and whinging on https://twitter.com
[00:10:22] <systemd> ^ 03Search Twitter - #RINO ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[00:12:04] <c0lo> And very likely putting a load on hospitals https://covidactnow.org
[00:12:05] <systemd> ^ 03America’s COVID warning system.
[00:17:36] <c0lo> https://apnews.com
[00:17:37] <systemd> ^ 03Arkansas coronavirus hospitalizations rise again
[00:23:00] <c0lo> https://covidactnow.org
[00:23:01] <systemd> ^ 03America’s COVID warning system.
[00:23:26] <c0lo> Situation in Arkansas ^^^
[00:31:00] <c0lo> Situation in Vic, AU https://www.theguardian.com
[00:31:02] <systemd> ^ 03Victoria achieves Covid 'elimination' and South Australia records no new cases – as it happened
[00:39:55] <c0lo> Hey, after all, we may see a forceful eviction of a squatter! https://www.forbes.com
[00:39:56] <systemd> ^ 03Trump U-Turns On Day-Old Promise To Leave White House, Insists Biden ‘Prove’ His Votes Were Legal
[00:56:39] <Runaway1956> Having a tonsilectomy cures tonsilitis
[00:56:49] <Runaway1956> can you get a covidectomy?
[01:04:39] <Runaway1956> <c0lo> The claims Giuliani makes are not supported by any tiny bit of evidence
[01:04:58] <Runaway1956> Cool - then you'll be happy to see everyone in court to establish that fact.
[01:11:41] <Bytram> Runaway1956: s/t /t trying/
[01:11:41] <SedBot> <Bytram> <Runaway1956> Cool - then you'll be happy to see everyone in court tryingto establish that fact.
[01:11:47] <Bytram> Runaway1956: s/t /t trying /
[01:11:47] <SedBot> <Bytram> <Runaway1956> Cool - then you'll be happy to see everyone in court trying to establish that fact.
[01:17:46] <c0lo> Actually, the things in court stay on "the burden of proof stays with the claimant". So, no, nobody in the court but the claimant needs to establish the fact.
[01:19:12] <c0lo> And you should be glad the things stay this way, Runaway, otherwise I'm gonna claim you owe me your home and watch everybody trying to establish the fact that you don't.
[01:20:31] <Bytram> =g when you find yourself at the bottom of a hole, stop digging
[01:20:32] <systemd> https://www.parks.ca.gov - Will Rogers Legacy: Remembering That Old Cowboy
[01:21:14] <c0lo> So, yes, I'll be happy to see Giuliani showing solid evidence for his claims.
[01:27:37] <Runaway1956> I want to see giuliani in court, making his claims, and I want to see him prove his stuff, or be blown out of the water.
[01:27:54] <Runaway1956> You can't possibly say that it's better to deny him his day in court
[01:37:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, still? can't you fucker change it up a bit and argue gtk vs qt or vi vs emacs or something?
[01:42:04] <Bytram> it's almost as useful as letting users employ bots to such an extent that they submit nearly any story they find on the web that tweaks their fancy -- in essence spamming the story submission queue -- without giving a thought to the fact that each of those submissions must be individually reviewed and deleted by actual human beings who have limited amounts of spare time.
[01:42:38] <Bytram> =w frivolous lawsuit
[01:42:39] <systemd> make frivolous arguments due to their limited knowledge of the law and procedure. The particular tendency of prisoners to bring baseless lawsuits led to - https://en.wikipedia.org
[01:43:51] <Bytram> Runaway1956: ^^^ Yes, there are indeed situations where it is preferable to not allow every possible thing be litigated
[01:45:20] <Bytram> IOW, so busy doing their job they can't get any actual work done
[01:47:47] <Bytram> Have you always -- and completely -- listened to every detail of every squabble poised by your children? If not, why? Isn't *that* unfair?
[01:50:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously, folks, when you've exceeded _my_ tolerance for political argument, you need to either take a close look at yourself or seek help in doing so.
[01:52:42] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm with you -- was just trying to point out the apparent absurdity of some of the "discussion" -- aka squabbling
[01:52:54] <Bytram> break time
[01:53:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. book until bed for me.
[01:59:44] <c0lo> Runaway1956, I never said Giuliani should not present his claim to courts, I said I want him to present the solid evidence for his claims. A thing that he failed every time.
[02:00:53] <c0lo> Note that at the SCOTUS level, he won't be allowed to present new evidence, that's not what SCOTUS is for.
[02:08:15] <c0lo> Wouldn't someone think of the Irish sheeps? https://www.bbc.com
[02:08:17] <systemd> ^ 03Thousands of sheep 'stuck in limbo' over Brexit regulations
[02:10:20] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[02:10:22] <systemd> Submitting "Swiss vote on making firms liable for rights abuse"...
[02:10:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Swiss Vote on Making Firms Liable for Rights Abuse" (27 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:11:25] <requerdanos> In my defense, I don't know anywhere else to come to argue politics where there are intelligent people with which to do it.
[02:11:34] <requerdanos> I already tried facebook, and the comments on fox news.
[02:20:04] <Bytram> requerdanos++ got a LOL out of me for that one. Touche'
[02:20:05] <Bender> karma - requerdanos: 8
[02:21:27] <c0lo> Don't mind TMB, he has a low tolerance to intelligent discussions. In his mind, he already knows everything and his intelligence reigns supreme - there's nothing to discuss.
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[02:40:41] <chromas> systemd's better than both vi and emacs
[02:41:10] <requerdanos> systemd is clearly inspired by emacs more than vi, to judge how many things it tries to do.
[02:42:14] <halibut> I'm thinking of writing a new text editor called ``vimacs''. It combines Vim and Emacs. For example, you type :^Xwq^C<enter> to save and quit. I have no doubt this will end the Vim vs. Emacs wars forever.
[02:42:15] <chromas> systemetactl start hyper-shift-v
[02:42:46] <chromas> do it
[03:10:24] <requerdanos> That does sound like it would unite the vi[m] and emacs camps against you.
[03:21:30] <chromas> worst of both worlds
[03:22:16] <chromas> Create it in Electron, using Java code for the configuration files
[03:49:17] <halibut> Perhaps I should have the GUI use Qt windows with Gtk buttons, too, just to help unify that dispute, too.
[03:49:40] <halibut> Perhaps I, too, should try using too many too's, too.
[03:49:56] <halibut> You know, upset the ballet people as well.
[04:35:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, non-sequitur. that's no more relevant than saying i have a low tolerance for bass fishing, given the pointless cheerleading that's been comprising the discussion here.
[04:36:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Active Space Cleaning Operation Scheduled for 2025 - https://sylnt.us - taking-out-the-trash
[05:55:21] <requerdanos> What pointless cheerleading did I miss?
[06:18:43] <c0lo> TMB, from your beliefs sequitur your low tolerance (not that the tolerance is a cause of your beliefs).
[07:40:29] <c0lo> requerdanos, I think Runaway cheerleading for Giuliani?
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[09:18:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Covid Transmission Strongly Influenced by Relative Humidity - https://sylnt.us - here-we-go-again
[10:20:27] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:20:27] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5401
[10:32:22] <FatPhil> coffee++
[10:32:22] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5402
[10:32:29] <FatPhil> will that magically make it appear?
[10:33:43] <Bytram> possibly, the question is a matter of locality -- I doubt it could be any place in either of our vicinities
[10:34:13] <FatPhil> damn you, Einstein!
[10:34:58] <Bytram> FatPhil: Remember when I was looking for a tool to compute date/time differences? Check out: dateutils.ddiff
[10:35:20] <Bytram> =g "dateutils.ddiff"
[10:35:21] <systemd> https://manpages.debian.org - dateutils.ddiff(1) — dateutils — Debian testing — Debian Manpages
[10:35:31] <Bytram> =g "dateutils"
[10:35:32] <systemd> https://commons.apache.org - DateUtils (Apache Commons Lang 3.11 API)
[10:35:59] <Bytram> not *that* one
[10:37:03] <Bytram> well, I suppose it *could* be... not the one I expected, though.
[10:39:06] <FatPhil> just convert everything to a unix epoch, and pretend there are 86400 seconds per day
[10:39:48] <Bytram> don't forget leap years!
[10:42:19] <FatPhil> if years are important, seconds definitely aren't
[10:43:30] <Bytram> also, it seems to be well written. will output in pretty much whatever duration combinations you might want, but that's just for starters. ddiff is just one of 8 date/time manipulation capabilities
[10:44:50] <Bytram> FatPhil: disagree. Just how much longer until it has been 5 1/2 years since date/time?
[10:45:42] <FatPhil> if you need an answer that's more accurate than 1 day out, you're probably doing things wrong.
[10:46:19] <FatPhil> given that a "year" isn't even defined to be a precise thing, in particular.
[10:47:24] <FatPhil> 5 1/2 years is *exactly* 66 months away. Prove me wrong.
[10:47:33] <Bytram> It seems to be a seriously well-written utility. At least it seems to have covered everything that I could think of... and as a tester at heart, that is saying a lot. The best part is that it is already written and tested.
[10:50:19] <Bytram> yes, and what would that date be? not so bad w/ today being the 28th... try it when the current date is the 29th or 30th or 31st. What date is 10 weeks from now? Or 10 weeks from 2 months ago?
[10:50:36] <Bytram> seriously, it seems to be *all* in there.
[10:51:27] <Bytram> if you are not interested, that's fine. I appreciated you assistance a while back and just wanted to pass my findings on too you. Use it (or not) as you wish.
[10:54:30] <FatPhil> 10 weeks is easy, as a week is clearly defined to day accuracy
[10:55:07] <FatPhil> I think just 'date' has plenty of functionality
[10:56:36] <FatPhil> you can give it a date in a whole range of ways, and ask it to display that in an equally wide range of ways.
[10:56:48] <Bytram> but what is the *date*? 30 days hath September... and then there is end-of-the-year to deal with. I used to believe it was no big deal, too... until I tried doing it myself. It is one big hairy mess. Like I said, if you are not interested, that's fine.
[10:57:19] <FatPhil> $ date -d '+66 months'
[10:57:19] <FatPhil> Thu 28 May 13:57:10 EEST 2026
[10:58:21] <Bytram> How long has it been since the Kennedy assassination?
[10:59:02] <Bytram> =g date of John F Kennedy assassination
[10:59:03] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Assassination of John F. Kennedy - Wikipedia
[10:59:19] <FatPhil> No, I am interested, it's just that I've never found a problem in a shell script that date(1) couldn't fix, or on perl that DateTime couldn't fix.
[10:59:40] <Bytram> John Fitzgerald Kennedy, the 35th President of the United States, was assassinated on Friday, November 22, 1963, at 12:30 p.m. Central Standard Time in Dallas, Texas,
[11:00:05] <Bytram> that is pre- unix epoch
[11:03:02] <FatPhil> $ echo "$(((`date +%s`-`date -d 'November 22, 1963' +%s`)/86400))"
[11:03:02] <FatPhil> 20826
[11:03:09] <FatPhil> that many days ago
[11:04:15] <Bytram> what is that in years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, and seconds?
[11:04:25] <FatPhil> Meaningless question
[11:05:28] <Bytram> +57y 0m 0w 5d 22h 0m s
[11:06:02] <Bytram> to you, maybe.
[11:06:56] <Bytram> sorry, has a typo: +57y 0m 0w 5d 22h 36m 33s
[11:07:19] <Bytram> dateutils.ddiff --format '+%Yy %mm %ww %dd %Hh %Mm %Ss' '1963-11-22 12:30:00 CST' 'now'
[11:07:26] <FatPhil> Erm, nope, in 1h24m it would be the middle of the night in Texas
[11:07:51] <Bytram> yes, already noted and corrected.
[11:08:16] <FatPhil> the corrected version still said "22h 36m 33s", so no, not corrected.
[11:09:06] <FatPhil> You're higlighting my point that the precision is unwarranted
[11:10:11] <FatPhil> Like Spock saying "at maximum warp it would take 3 days 7 hours 15 minutes and 6.178 seconds to reach there".
[11:10:26] <FatPhil> Is that relative to the start of your sentence of the end?
[11:10:34] <FatPhil> s/of/or/
[11:10:34] <SedBot> <FatPhil> Is that relative to the start or your sentence of the end?
[11:10:40] <FatPhil> pfft
[11:11:10] <Bytram> Look, I'm not going to *make* you use it. If you want to ignore it? Fine. there are 8 different tools as part of it, ddiff is only one of them. If you want to ignore it, that is absolutely fine with me.
[11:12:01] <FatPhil> Yes, but I'm trying to persuade you that perhaps you're asking the wrong question.
[11:12:35] <Bytram> Thought I would try and be nice and follow up with you with my findings since you were kind enough to assist back when I was first asking. I did not expect this to turn into a debate. Good day.
[11:13:11] <FatPhil> Calm down!
[11:13:20] <Bytram> How long since you were born? in human units?
[11:13:41] <FatPhil> 49 and a bit
[11:13:47] <Bytram> btw, I *just* woke up and have not finished my first coffee
[11:14:07] <Bytram> lol
[11:14:13] <FatPhil> it's an unimportant question to me, and one I don't need precision for
[11:15:30] <FatPhil> I'm on my first coffee too
[11:16:27] <FatPhil> but I don't need it for warmth any more, the useless [elided] who has the key to the room with the "very complicated equipment" managed to turn it on yesterday afternoon.
[11:17:39] <Bytram> I have a... significant event... that happened a long time ago. I like to track how long it has been since then. Sometimes I get curious and wonder how many seconds that was or hours or whatever. Oh, that long? That's a lot of seconds! How much longer until it will be this nice round number? And what date would that be? Ditto for all time units. ddiff makes it easy for *me*
[11:17:42] <Bytram> YAY!
[11:17:59] <FatPhil> I use 2 of these in usenet posts:
[11:18:11] <FatPhil> alias aoldate='echo $((`date +%s`/86400-8643))'
[11:18:12] <FatPhil> alias argdate='echo $((`date +%s`/86400-10431))'
[11:18:12] <FatPhil> alias ggdate='echo $((`date +%s`/86400-11364))'
[11:18:39] <FatPhil> the middle one is me and my g/f's arghiversary
[11:19:19] <FatPhil> the first is which day we're at in the eternal september
[11:19:57] <Bytram> Pfft! Back in the day of the MIT Tech Club (think model railroad, etc.) it was common for folk to gain access to a whole lot of off-limits locations: "The Soul of a New Machine" -- Tracey(sp?) Kidder
[11:20:18] <Bytram> =g "The Soul of a New Machine" -- Tracey Kidder
[11:20:19] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - The Soul of a New Machine - Wikipedia
[11:20:43] <FatPhil> but google groups was just as terrible a blight, so ggdate is the day in February 2001 that we're at
[11:21:11] <Bytram> ^^^ The Soul of a New Machine is a non-fiction book written by Tracy Kidder and published in 1981.
[11:21:37] <Bytram> Yikes! It has been *that* long?!!??
[11:22:03] <FatPhil> yes, we've been together that long '-)
[11:23:13] <Bytram> :: laughter ::
[11:23:24] * Bytram was busy reading the wiki
[11:25:06] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[11:25:06] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[11:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:25:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5403
[11:27:56] <Bytram> =gobblegobblegobble TheMightyBuzzard
[11:27:56] * systemd cheerfully stuffs a toilet bowl of null-terminated strings into TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.phoronix.com
[11:28:07] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:28:32] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:28:34] <FatPhil> =garbage TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:34] * systemd unnecessarily dereferences a pointer to a truecrypt volume of funding for TheMightyBuzzard
[11:28:45] <FatPhil> =gondwanaland Bytram
[11:28:45] * systemd cromulently launches an exchange server of discouragement toward Bytram
[11:29:14] * Bytram is patiently waiting for new AMD procs to come out -- hope to get a prior gen lappy at a discount
[11:29:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> =grub-mkconfig Bytram
[11:29:16] * systemd begrudgingly pisses a wine flute of pizza on Bytram
[11:29:33] <Bytram> lol
[11:29:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> =gvim FatPhil
[11:29:39] * systemd diabolically pours a partition of tongue awareness month for FatPhil
[11:29:50] <Bytram> coffee's cold... biab
[11:30:52] <FatPhil> don't let the g/f know about tongue awareness month
[11:32:18] <Bytram> btw, maybe it is a factor that I worked at DEC back in the beginning of the 80's and worked in the Boston area (walked past "Tech Square" many many times), as well as MIT, but I found that book to be riveting at the time. (The Soul of a New Machine)
[11:32:37] <Bytram> !grab FatPhil
[11:32:37] <Bender> Added quote 1005
[11:32:54] <Bytram> afk\
[11:33:02] <FatPhil> I didn't know you were at DEC. My Alpha was the best machine I've ever owned.
[11:34:04] <FatPhil> it blew up in a ball of purple lightning when my UPS failed about 15 years ago.
[11:44:03] <Bytram> sorry to hear that!
[11:46:11] * Bytram never used an alpha, but recently discovered that my AMD Athlon x64 laptop had much alpha heritage in it -- that was a really nice machine!
[11:48:59] <Bytram> finally replaced it when gifted with a core 2 duo lappy ('cause the 80 GB IDE hard disk was starting to throw nearly continuous SMART errors) :(
[11:52:46] * Bytram had two tours as a co-op student at DEC after years in Jr High and High School using a PDP/8-e (TSS-8) and a PDP 11/70 (RSTS/E).
[11:56:34] * Bytram First put hand to teletype in '72 to get access to that PDP/8 (using a dial-up modem, accoustical coupler, ~100 baud) and paper tape for offline storage.
[11:57:19] <Bytram> =g VT-52
[11:57:20] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - VT52 - Wikipedia
[12:02:52] <FatPhil> I can't believe anyone considered an acoustic coupler to be a sensible thing
[12:20:23] <lld> why not, all the cables worked well for phones
[12:20:40] <lld> RTTY is still around for hobbyists
[12:20:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, Bytram, while yer handy... hexchat script discussion
[12:21:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> 1) any particular reason you want it to go to another channel instead of just colorizing what you see (not what is logged) in #rss-bot?
[12:23:53] <Bytram> on phone... a few minutes
[12:23:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> 2) there are only 16 colors available to irc colorization, so just changing text color won't work. background color will have to be changed too if you want all feeds unique. and that still limits you to a little over 200 possible combinations.
[12:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[12:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> 15x15 not 16x16. white-on-white and the like ain't viable combinations
[12:26:36] <Bytram> back
[12:26:58] <Bytram> I notice that nicks are higlighted in IRC
[12:27:08] <Bytram> makes it easier to keep track of who is sayng what
[12:27:42] <Bytram> noticed in #rss-bot that all of the feed names are presented in monochrome...
[12:28:12] <Bytram> hmm, if geed names could be colorized like nicks are, that would be a big help
[12:28:21] <Bytram> s/g/f/
[12:28:21] <SedBot> <Bytram> hmm, if feed names could be colorized like nicks are, that would be a big help
[12:30:03] <Bytram> as for going to another channel, perceived ease of implementation and to share the wealth... tail -f #rss-bot | colorize-feed-name > #rss-bot-colored
[12:30:43] <Bytram> (if it is useful for me, maybe someone else would like to see it, too.)
[12:30:50] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^
[12:31:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> speak precision to me. generalities ain't particularly useful. you saying dozens of feeds but only 15 colors is fine?
[12:31:40] <Bytram> IOW that was just a means to an end, not the be-all end-all final implementation.
[12:31:45] <Bytram> LOL!
[12:31:57] <Bytram> how many colors for nicks in this channel?
[12:32:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea. i don't have colored nicks turned on
[12:32:15] <Bytram> we do not all need *unique* colors
[12:32:24] <Bytram> just consistent coloring for each nick
[12:32:29] <Bytram> ahhh!
[12:33:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, that i can whoop up. hell, i could do it directly in Bender for that matter.
[12:33:28] <Bytram> consider this: length(nick) in combination with different colors further helps with distinguishing source
[12:33:49] <Bytram> kewel!
[12:34:01] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ good luck!
[12:34:01] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 393
[12:34:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably better not to though. someone'll bitch cause they now have to strip color codes.
[12:35:00] <Bytram> nod nod.
[12:35:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> will put the source up on github when i get done playing with it
[12:36:32] <Bytram> non-impacting change; only enable it for those who want it... keeping the colorized feed name in a separate channel allows everyone to continue as things were, and for those who want the color, they can have that, too.
[12:38:20] <Bytram> basing the color on the *feed name* also provides consistency over time. (As opposed to basing it on the order that something is added to the channel, for example)
[12:38:41] <FatPhil> if there's a webpage mirroring the channel, maybe do the colourisation there, and don't mess with the chan itself?
[12:40:20] <Bytram> FatPhil: yes, that was the original design idea
[12:41:05] <Bytram> tail -f #rss-bot | colorize-feed-name > #rss-botc
[12:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if MrPlow weren't prone to the occasional malformed json crash, it'd be best to make him do it. having someone's irc client do it is a no-go on account of them being massively less reliably here than MrPlow even
[12:44:09] <lld> TheMightyBuzzard advising President Eisenhower on the need for a national information network (colorized)
[12:44:25] * TheMightyBuzzard likes Ike
[12:45:11] <FatPhil> When trying to think of the last US president who wasn't utterly terrible somehow, I got all the way to Eisenhower, and stopped there. Did he do anything terrible?
[12:45:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on who you ask
[12:46:02] <FatPhil> a neutral historian would be ideal
[12:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> no such thing
[12:46:22] <lld> whig history month!
[12:46:28] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: nod nod; I was thinking of a simple, standalone bot that just sat there, tailed #rss-bot, did this *one* thing, and sent it to #rss-botc
[12:46:55] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:47:00] <Bytram> and... a simple command to restart it
[12:47:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly easy enough
[12:47:06] <FatPhil> Bytram: just use one of the suckless tools, it's probably a 3-line script
[12:47:22] <Bytram> not familiar
[12:47:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> no point making an irc command to restart it. if it can read the command it's not broke.
[12:47:37] <FatPhil> https://tools.suckless.org
[12:47:38] <systemd> ^ 03tools | suckless.org software that sucks less
[12:48:10] <Bytram> FatPhil: remember, I am still trying to get a functioning work environment on Linux after my Windows box died.
[12:48:21] <lld> just make it restart every 5 minutes :)
[12:48:25] <lld> The Windows Way
[12:48:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, you can probably run most of your winders scripts under dosbox or wine just fine
[12:48:58] <Bytram> prolly
[12:50:13] <Bytram> but, that adds another abstraction to interfere with isolating problems. Also, I only have 4 GB of RAM and running tight on memoryas it is
[12:50:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> wine doesn't take huge amounts of ram. dosbox either.
[12:51:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh, github's working like shit on palemoon
[12:51:13] <Bytram> I am *already* running tight on memory
[12:52:42] <Bytram> and I am sure that all of linux has carefully tested all possible ramifications of low-memory conditions... enough to start this, not enough to do that, returns to this which proceeds as if all was kewel
[12:52:57] <Bytram> no thank you very much
[12:53:11] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[12:53:22] * Bytram LOLS!
[12:53:41] <Bytram> afk; back in few minutes
[12:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't take the word of vmstat -SM as gospel. cache can be ignored entirely.
[12:55:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[12:55:09] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 794
[13:07:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> da hell? where'd my bot source on beryllium go?
[13:08:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> well motherfucker. someone's been screwing with my home directory on beryllium
[13:09:14] <Bytram> o_O
[13:09:46] <AzumaHazuki> huhhh, so there *is* a vuln on there
[13:10:11] <AzumaHazuki> do you have samba or NFS running?
[13:11:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> premature to say there's a vuln. anyone with admin perms can do whatever they like with anyone's ~
[13:11:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> or i nuked it because it's all backed up on github and we were short of disk space. and then forgot.
[13:14:25] <Bytram> where'd your bounce go?
[13:14:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ?
[13:14:51] <Bytram> or was that not on bery?
[13:16:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> what're you talking about?
[13:16:05] <Bytram> I meant: /home/bob/bin/bounce
[13:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> wasn't on bery. bery doesn't run rehash
[13:16:29] <Bytram> my bad. tx!
[13:18:22] <Bytram> =g list of chemical element names
[13:18:23] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - List of chemical elements - Wikipedia
[13:22:19] <Bytram> =g list of chemical element names -Wikipedia
[13:22:20] <systemd> https://www.britannica.com - List of chemical elements | Britannica
[14:06:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FFII Calls for Donations Against Unitary Software Patent Trolls After a Disastrous Bundestag Vote - https://sylnt.us - while-you-were-out
[14:33:08] <c0lo> =submit http://backreaction.blogspot.com
[14:33:10] <systemd> Submitting "Warp Drive News. Seriously!"...
[14:33:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Warp Drive News. Seriously!" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:33:45] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[14:33:47] <systemd> ^ 03Warp Drive News. Seriously!
[14:48:26] <requerdanos> It's like being a loser in the election once wasn't enough for Trump, he has to be the infinitely repetitive loser in court after court
[14:49:23] <AzumaHazuki> whiniest bitch ever. worse than runaway even and that is saying something
[14:49:45] <requerdanos> Biggest loser in the history of losers, maybe ever.
[14:49:59] <AzumaHazuki> the yuuuuugest
[14:50:41] <requerdanos> to be fair, his strategy of "Appoint judges and then expect them to rule his way" is not 100% wrong. High nineties, sure, but not 100%.
[14:51:06] <FatPhil> oooh, I'm still in May playing catchup on backreaction. Sabine's fantastic.
[14:52:04] <FatPhil> watched about 6 months worth in the last 6 weeks, so I'll be caught up by the end of the year.
[14:56:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you guys need to spend less time watching/reading talking heads. nothing they say changes anything, it just pisses you off in exchange for filling their wallets.
[15:00:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> trump's gonna do what trump's gonna do, biden's gonna do what biden's gonna do, the courts are gonna do what the courts are gonna do, and getting all riled up about the daily nonsense won't change anything at all. wait for an actual result and THEN get pissed off.
[15:00:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> efficiency++
[15:00:48] <Bender> karma - efficiency: 3
[15:03:53] <Bytram> swell... just lost power
[15:03:58] <Bytram> UPS++
[15:03:58] <Bender> karma - ups: 3
[15:03:58] <boru> Talking heads and slackivists deserve each other.
[15:04:32] <boru> Sitting on their arses virtue signalling on the Internet rather than actually doing something to evoke change.
[15:05:14] <boru> As Ted Kaczynski said, real rebellion is impossible for them.
[15:05:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt the power snap
[15:05:27] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Snap! - The Power (Official Video)
[15:06:03] <Bytram> so... you want we to use even moah powah?
[15:06:11] <Bytram> s/we/me/
[15:06:11] <SedBot> <Bytram> so... you want me to use even moah powah?
[15:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt kanye west ft. tim allen
[15:07:12] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Kanye West ft. Tim Allen -- &quot;(more) POWER&quot;
[15:08:08] <Bytram> aaaaannnd the power is back!
[15:10:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, nuff with the trying to think nonsense. ima enjoy me a little bit of weekend before i go do stuff.
[15:13:32] <FatPhil> UPS--
[15:13:32] <Bender> karma - ups: 2
[15:13:43] <Bytram> I had a couple 585 VA UPSs. About a year ago I upgraded and got a 1325 Sinewave UPS... had ~70 minutes of run time available. And that is on top of running off of a laptop with 6 hours of charge avail.
[15:14:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: any luck with the coloring?
[15:16:14] <FatPhil> I don't think we've had a powercut for over 5 years. From an engineering perspective, I disagree with their existence. They're just wrong.
[15:16:36] <FatPhil> s/their/UPSs/
[15:16:36] <SedBot> <FatPhil> I don't think we've had a powercut for over 5 years. From an engineering perspective, I disagree with UPSs existence. They're just wrong.
[15:21:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, got the basic bot structure in, the coloring's easy enough, don't feel like dealing with parsing bender's jabbering right now though
[15:22:08] <Bytram> year, I hears ya...
[15:22:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'cat videos time
[15:22:31] * Bytram just finished parsing some raw Wikipedia html
[15:23:02] <Bytram> cats++
[15:23:02] <Bender> karma - cats: 0
[15:23:10] <Bytram> lol
[15:24:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> doing it in a low level language is lots more funner than perl. none of that if($line =~ /$bold(.*)$clear/) { do stuff; } nonsense
[15:24:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> </sarc>
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[15:29:57] <Bytram> puzzle for y'all; what is the minimum length of chemical element's names that guarantees uniqueness? Example: 2 characters are too few; for instance: "ca" --> "carbon" and "calcium"
[15:30:12] <Bytram> lol
[15:31:39] <FatPhil> Ber is non-unique, so it's at least 4
[15:32:08] <Bytram> FatPhil: I live near a school, a fire station, and a phone central office... though rare, it still happens
[15:32:26] <Bytram> please PM me with your answer so others can play along!
[15:32:30] <Bytram> FatPhil: ^^
[15:33:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima go with the java answer: use the whole name, ram's cheap
[15:36:58] <Bytram> ima lazy when it comes to unnecessary and troublesome typing
[15:42:10] <Bytram> like trying to remember how to spell, and then having to type, *correctly*, names like Darmstadtium or Molybdenum
[15:42:27] <Bytram> FatPhil++ you got it
[15:42:27] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 90
[15:44:37] <Bytram> break time; afk
[15:45:02] <FatPhil> Bytram++ I love puzzles!
[15:45:02] <Bender> karma - bytram: 142
[15:45:32] <FatPhil> KebabPizza++ just because
[15:45:32] <Bender> karma - kebabpizza: 1
[15:54:14] * Runaway1956 notes that warp drives work better when the passengers are warped
[15:54:59] <Runaway1956> s/passengers/crew/
[15:54:59] <SedBot> <Runaway1956> notes that warp drives work better when the crew are warped
[15:58:11] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://locusmag.com from the no-technological-solutions-to-moral-problems dept.
[15:58:12] <systemd> Submitting "Cory Doctorow: Zuck’s Empire of Oily Rags"...
[15:58:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cory Doctorow: Zuck’s Empire of Oily Rags" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:00:33] <Bytram> =g warp and woof
[16:00:34] <systemd> https://www.dictionary.com - Warp and woof | Definition of Warp and woof at Dictionary.com
[16:00:46] <Bytram> =w warp woof
[16:00:47] <systemd> transverse weft (sometimes woof) is drawn through and inserted over-and-under the warp. A single thread of the weft crossing the warp is called a pick. Terms - https://en.wikipedia.org
[16:02:54] <FatPhil> never heard of 'woof' before
[16:03:18] <Bytram> comes from... dogged determination!
[16:03:27] <Bytram> ;)
[18:13:35] <AzumaHazuki> i just realized something: Trump grifted his idiot supporters out of 3 million dollars for that Wisconsin recount...and the end result was 132 votes were discovered. For Biden.
[18:13:50] <AzumaHazuki> is it just me or is this guy maybe not actually as good with money as he likes to say?
[18:26:30] <FatPhil> what, a guy who went bankrupt 5 times?
[18:26:48] <FatPhil> a guy who couldn't even make money off a casino?
[18:28:57] <chromas> Bankrupt doesn't mean you don't have money; it just means you said you don't.
[18:29:29] <FatPhil> you're not accusing him of being a fraud too, are you.
[18:29:47] <FatPhil> I'm shocked, shocked I tell you
[18:29:57] <chromas> Everyone else already has, why should I put in the effort?
[18:32:43] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: you can do the colorizing in Bender if you just make it automatically poop out the strings of color in a separate channel
[18:32:56] <chromas> hardcoding++
[18:32:56] <Bender> karma - hardcoding: 1
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[18:46:54] <SoyCow7066> =asub https://www.iflscience.com
[18:46:56] <systemd> Submitting "Mystery Of London's 1952 Killer Fog Is Solved"...
[18:47:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Mystery of London's 1952 Killer Fog is Solved" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:47:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Boston Dynamics' Spot Is Helping Chernobyl Move Towards Safe Decommissioning - https://sylnt.us - see-spot-run
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[18:57:17] <chromas> https://www.washingtonpost.com
[18:57:27] <chromas> Must be losing that elasticity
[18:57:28] <systemd> ^ 03Amazon’s cloud-computing outage on Wednesday was triggered by effort to boost system’s capacity
[19:13:07] <Runaway1956> Ask Soylent: How many steering wheels should my car have?
[19:13:14] <Runaway1956> https://www.thedrive.com
[19:13:15] <systemd> ^ 03These Conjoined Plymouth Voyagers Are Confusing on Every Possible Level
[19:23:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i could but that'd mean looking at python. i'd rather write a whole new bot in anything else.
[19:24:29] <chromas> do it
[19:24:47] <chromas> just add rss abilities to MrPlow and toss Bonder
[19:27:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. i hate working with json/xml in rust when there's a possibility of it being malformed. the json/xml libraries for rust just shit themselves.
[19:30:12] <chromas> How does rust handle errors?
[19:30:21] <Runaway1956> oxidation?
[19:30:35] <Runaway1956> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[19:30:37] <systemd> Submitting "Neanderthals Didn’t Use Their Thumbs Like We Do, New Research Suggests"...
[19:30:43] <chromas> in my bot, I just put everything into a try{} block and poop out the exception string into irc
[19:30:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Neanderthals Didn’t Use Their Thumbs Like We Do, New Research Suggests" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, do or do not, there is no try
[19:40:46] <chromas> So everything is accidental?
[19:41:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> a program working correctly? you bet your ass.
[19:42:28] * systemd sniggeres
[19:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> sracist
[19:45:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> time for vidya. orderly thought just after a nap on a weekend is contraindicated.
[20:06:08] <Runaway1956> Hmmmm - why didn't I buy a house in Oz? "Old Smuggler" prohibition era booze? Sounds legit!
[20:06:12] <Runaway1956> https://www.9news.com.au
[20:06:13] <systemd> ^ 03Couple find 66 bottles of illegal antique whiskey in their house
[20:07:08] <AzumaHazuki> probably full od nutritious, delicious methanol. drink up.
[20:07:30] <Runaway1956> Apparently, the stuff is still bottled today, legally.
[20:08:26] <Runaway1956> And, apparently, worth about $1000 per bottle
[20:11:25] <Bytram> =g whiskey whisky
[20:11:26] <systemd> https://www.thekitchn.com - Whiskey vs. Whisky: What's the Difference? Straight Up Cocktails ...
[20:12:25] <Bytram> My guess? The difference probably boils down to the letter "e".
[20:12:35] <Bytram> ;)
[20:13:57] * Runaway1956 thinks that Brits can't spell anyway
[20:14:17] <Runaway1956> If Ozzies and Yanks spell it the same, they are probably right.
[20:14:47] <Runaway1956> We could ask the Canucks, but we don't want them to get a fat head or anything.
[20:15:49] <Runaway1956> another story about Tulsi asking for pardons for Assange and Snowden . . .
[20:29:53] <Runaway1956> https://www.nbcdfw.com
[20:29:53] <systemd> ^ 03'COVID-19 Breathalyzer' Detects Disease in Seconds
[20:55:27] <Runaway1956> https://alhudood.net
[20:55:28] <systemd> ^ 03Lucky citizen dies
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[21:06:00] <Bytram> anyone up for a noob question? How do I find out where my Ubuntu swap file is located?
[21:06:15] <Bytram> I can tell how much is free
[21:06:24] <Bytram> just don't know where it *is*
[21:08:57] <Bytram> nvp
[21:09:02] <Bytram> nvm
[21:09:52] <Bytram> after spending the better part of 30 minutes trying to track it down, I tried: lsblk and found it listed there...
[21:10:17] <Bytram> sda 8:0 0 931.5G 0 disk
[21:10:17] <Bytram> └─sda1 8:1 0 931.5G 0 part
[21:10:17] <Bytram> ├─ubuntu--vg-root 253:0 0 930.4G 0 lvm /
[21:10:17] <Bytram> └─ubuntu--vg-swap_1 253:1 0 976M 0 lvm [SWAP]
[21:12:20] <Bytram> I'll hold off asking how to make it larger -- found a bunch of threads on ask ubuntu... but
[21:13:37] <Bytram> how can I find out how much swap each process is using? Or better still, identify what is using the most swap so I have an idea of what to close to free up swap space?
[21:33:21] <FatPhil> RSS is resident, so subtract that from the total footprint?
[21:33:45] <FatPhil> VIRT - RES columns in top
[21:34:03] <FatPhil> nah, virt's not wired
[21:36:38] <Bytram> I'm making progress, starting with looking at all my terminal windows; Mate has a System Monitor which has also been helpful
[21:42:13] <FatPhil> look at the manpages for /proc
[21:45:26] <FatPhil> smaps might be best
[21:55:05] <Runaway1956> Bytram - you may not have enough swap for a laptop
[21:55:35] <Runaway1956> you probably have some swap space reserved for the system to sleep and resume,
[21:55:46] <chromas> The best option is to make a swap file on a usb thumb drive >:)
[21:55:56] <Runaway1956> That space should be about equal to your total memory
[21:56:19] <carny> Runaway1956: that's a myth that needs to die but never will
[21:56:19] <Ingar> you can just add more swap partitions or files
[21:56:22] <Runaway1956> I think that is why traditionally, they say to make your swap 2.5 times your memory
[21:56:35] <carny> you need as much swap as you need
[21:56:48] <Ingar> Runaway1956: these days, that's ridiculous though :)
[21:56:52] <Bytram> that was my concern -- I know *lots* about mem/swap/paging-- I tested IBM's implementation of same on their VM operating system. The *details* on Ubuntu? Not so much.
[21:57:03] <carny> only windows was stupid enough to map the whole vm space to swap
[21:57:11] <Runaway1956> how much memory do you have Bytram?
[21:57:20] <chromas> Windows memory maps its executables tho
[21:57:25] <Bytram> 4 GiB
[21:57:37] <Bytram> you mean RAM, right?
[21:57:42] <chromas> You should upgrade that instead of increasing swap
[21:57:48] <Runaway1956> yes, I meant RAM
[21:57:51] <carny> real systems use swap for overflow so if you only run 7gb of applications and you have 8gb of ram you don't need any swap
[21:58:13] * chromas just knows he has bags and bags of moneys for hardware upgrades
[21:58:20] <Bytram> carny++
[21:58:20] <Bender> karma - carny: 3
[21:58:37] <Runaway1956> agreed carny, but RAM costs, swap usually doesn't cost much if anything
[21:58:44] <chromas> Linux's swap usage is adjustable
[21:58:54] <chromas> swapiness variable
[21:58:59] <Ingar> it is also nice to have the extra mem for disk cache
[21:59:31] <Ingar> especially if your disk spins
[21:59:53] <Bytram> need enough space so that all my programs/OS/whatevs will fit in: MEM+swap+paging
[22:00:01] <Bytram> SSd
[22:00:09] * Bytram has a 1 TB SSD
[22:00:33] <chromas> +paging?
[22:00:45] <Runaway1956> paging--
[22:00:45] <Bender> karma - paging: -1
[22:00:46] <Bytram> hold on
[22:00:58] <Runaway1956> paging slows everything down. always
[22:02:01] <Bytram> 2 x 2 GiB: description: SODIMM DDR3 Synchronous 1067 MHz (0.9 ns)
[22:02:23] <Bytram> so old it would be expensive to get more today, I suspect
[22:02:42] <Ingar> you could probably get 8G for 40 bucks or so
[22:02:56] <Bytram> would rather save the $$ for later system upgrade (i.e. new laptop)
[22:03:17] <Bytram> yeah, but all the little upgrades add up.
[22:03:27] <chromas> ssh into the soylent servers and run all your stuff there
[22:03:54] <Runaway1956> someone above suggested a USB - something bigger than 2 gig, less than 16 gig, turn it into a swap file
[22:04:06] <Bytram> what I have now is tolerably fast enough
[22:04:12] <Bytram> USB is dog slow
[22:04:16] <Ingar> ^
[22:04:16] <chromas> You can also use a regular file on your ssd for swap
[22:04:31] <Ingar> or you can uses sytemd-swapd and have the files created automagicly
[22:04:37] <Ingar> use zram and friends
[22:04:46] <Ingar> (or was it zswap)
[22:04:56] <Ingar> or all of the above
[22:05:28] <chromas> Is systemd automatically creating swap files now? fpos no wonder my box gets slow when the bot spazzes out
[22:05:53] <Ingar> not on it's own
[22:06:00] <Bytram> well, I did nothing explicit to get my swap space
[22:06:01] <Ingar> it's some package on arch
[22:06:06] <Ingar> I use it on small systems
[22:06:12] <chromas> Hm. Guess I'll still have to keep on blaming Linux then
[22:06:16] <Bytram> Ubuntu Mate
[22:06:30] <Ingar> linux is linux
[22:06:50] <Ingar> well, not all the way, but all desktop linuxes are similar enough
[22:06:53] <chromas> Ubuntu installer probably set up us the swap though
[22:07:00] <Ingar> except gentoo ofc, which should be banned :p
[22:07:12] <chromas> [distant rumbling]
[22:08:26] <Runaway1956> Ubuntu installer set us up the bomb
[22:09:52] <Runaway1956> BTW, slow USB? I love my USB3 thing - not lightning fast, but many times faster than USB2
[22:10:02] <Bytram> =g set us up the bomb
[22:10:03] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - All your base are belong to us - Wikipedia
[22:10:07] <FatPhil> what does fstab say, it would be weird to have a swap not listed there
[22:10:56] <Bytram> fstab: command not found
[22:11:25] <Ingar> less /etc/fstab
[22:11:34] <Ingar> most likely it's not there anyway
[22:11:37] <Runaway1956> $ nano /etc/fstab
[22:11:50] <Runaway1956> or whichever editor you prefer
[22:12:57] <Bytram> /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1 none swap sw 0 0
[22:13:20] <Bytram> each line starts with a / screws upIRC... hold on
[22:13:50] <Runaway1956> In soviet Russia, IRC screws up fstab
[22:14:11] <Ingar> in systemd land, lennard mounts your swap
[22:14:22] <Bytram> 1) /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-root / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1
[22:14:22] <Bytram> 2) /dev/mapper/ubuntu--vg-swap_1 none swap sw 0 0
[22:14:31] <Runaway1956> I believe you are mistaken Ingar - puttering mounts you
[22:15:14] <Bytram> Runaway1956: at *best* I get about 30 MB/s (IIRC)
[22:15:19] <Ingar> well I'm not ysing systemd-homed
[22:16:09] <Runaway1956> I don't remember what my USB3 works out to, but it's hundreds of MB/s
[22:16:29] <carny> usb3 ssd?
[22:16:39] <carny> one of those samsung t3's?
[22:16:51] <Runaway1956> Kid wanted me to copy a directory to USB for him, ~22 or 23 gig, and it was done in about 7 or 8 minutes
[22:16:58] <Ingar> carny: USB3 to sata or nvme convertor
[22:17:24] <Bytram> Let me 'explain a little background. At IBM, I was part of the team that implemented their HPO 3.4 (High Performance Option) code; I did testing, so I had to know the code better than the developers so I could find out where they made mistakes.
[22:17:30] <Ingar> I recently bought one for ( eur on amazon
[22:17:34] <Ingar> *9 EUR
[22:18:00] <Runaway1956> Sandisk drive, little thing, smooth, rides comfortably in a pocket
[22:18:21] <chromas> dd if=/dev/zero of=/swapfle bs=4G; swapon /swapfile
[22:18:23] <Runaway1956> 250 GB cost me about $70 IIRC
[22:19:49] <Bytram> So, I am intimately familiar with what happes with multiple swap devices with different geometries and speeds; what happens when memory pressure gets severe and programs need to be swapped out, how to handle memory allocation and reclamation (bundling together free'd memory into contiguous chunks), etc.
[22:21:14] <Runaway1956> Sorry, USB3 is NOT 250 GB, it is 64 GB
[22:21:21] <Bytram> chromas: I saw that, but here
[22:21:28] <Bytram> here's the deal...
[22:22:15] <Bytram> think what happens with windows swap and hibernate files.
[22:22:17] <Runaway1956> I hear little people voices, BBIAB
[22:22:54] <Bytram> things get.. "troublesome" if you ever want to do anything later, with them around.
[22:23:17] <chromas> I thought you're running Linux now
[22:23:33] <Bytram> with an SSD, there is no *speed* penalty for putting it -- wherever
[22:24:20] <Bytram> but, later on, if I want to I dunno, change my disk layout to put another OS on there, I don't want these files strewn all over the place
[22:24:44] <chromas> swapoff /swapfile
[22:25:09] <Bytram> yesp, and that will blow up my machine at the moment
[22:25:18] <chromas> or you can resize all your partitions I guess
[22:25:34] <Bytram> everything does not currently fit in ram
[22:25:35] <Runaway1956> You are aware that you can use the same swap partitions and files across multiple Linux installations
[22:25:37] <chromas> if you're putting another os on there then you won't br running anything that uses up the swap
[22:26:08] <Bytram> so, I appreciate the help, but I would prefer to keep a running system, you now, running. :D
[22:26:13] <Ingar> Runaway1956: unless you're hibernating to it
[22:26:21] <Ingar> 0
[22:26:25] <Bytram> yep
[22:26:30] <Runaway1956> true ingar - that would make a mess of things quickly
[22:26:42] <chromas> Would you hibernate one os and then boot another?
[22:26:49] <Ingar> sure
[22:26:51] <Ingar> I'm lazy
[22:26:51] <Bytram> sure, why not?
[22:26:52] <chromas> and if so, why?
[22:27:16] <chromas> also, you're not doing that, so it doesn't matter
[22:27:26] <Bytram> quicker than booting from scratch each time; save currently running programs, window locations, etc
[22:27:34] <Runaway1956> I wouldn't, but that's why I have Virtualbox - which shares the same SWAP as the host OS because I set it up that way
[22:28:57] <Bytram> need to get up and walk around for a bit; too much sitting and typing -- biab
[22:29:09] <Bytram> thanks for the help!
[22:29:14] <Bytram> afk
[22:36:30] <carny> Ingar: hibernating an os and then accessing any of its filesystems from another os is a good way to corrupt your filesystem
[22:37:05] <carny> if you need to do something like that you need to unmount the shared filesystem first
[22:43:03] <carny> https://buff.ly
[22:43:03] <systemd> ^ 03To Save Time, The Babylon Bee Will Now Just Republish Everything Biden Says Verbatim ( https://babylonbee.com )
[22:43:32] <carny> if they're being sarcastic it's funny
[22:43:46] <carny> if they're being honest it's even more funny
[22:44:15] <carny> we have achieved the humor singularity
[22:44:39] * Runaway1956 sighs
[22:45:01] <Runaway1956> was thinking about a nap but Dear Wife beat me to it - now I'm her alarm clock and can't nap
[22:49:59] <carny> Runaway1956: subscribe to wakeup.soylentnews.com the new nap alarm as a service
[22:50:32] <carny> here's 9 pages that definitely aren't evidence of election fraud https://www.courtlistener.com
[22:50:47] <carny> how many electoral college votes is michigan?
[22:55:19] <carny> here's an exhibit from the same michigan case but it references the paper trail of un-certified voting machine software being deployed in georgia a month before the election https://www.courtlistener.com
[22:56:28] <carny> the fact that there is clearly inter-state coordination of this behavior opens up the possibility of any single scotus decision reversing every election the trump legal team chooses to question
[22:57:04] <Runaway1956> There has been interstate coordination among the Dems for at least 20 years
[22:57:37] <Runaway1956> "Oh, we need to swing $state election, please move to $state and establish a residence in time to vote!"
[22:57:45] <carny> perhaps but i'm talking about specific legal vulnerability in these court cases
[22:58:27] <Runaway1956> Yep. And, can we all spell Dominion? They're at the center of every suspect contest
[22:58:30] <carny> well after the civil war i'm sure there will be laws preventing that for 10 or 20 years after a move
[22:59:13] <Runaway1956> I give them 9 months for a move - if you've lived there that long, you should get a vote
[22:59:18] <Runaway1956> anything less, forget it.
[22:59:39] <FatPhil> you're right, carny, that isn't evidence of election fraud, good call.
[22:59:52] <Runaway1956> Of course, moving OUT OF STATE means you shouldn't vote either
[22:59:55] <carny> if the democrats were smart they'd demand every state hold new in person elections on hand counted paper ballots and count on their get out the vote machines to beat the republicans
[23:00:36] <carny> FatPhil: you confuse me
[23:00:50] <Runaway1956> too late, the Never Trumpers are partying right along with the Ds and a new vote would almost certainly go D
[23:01:02] <Runaway1956> the psychological advantage is gone
[23:01:11] <carny> you're smart enough to understand how elections work but not understand how trials work?
[23:02:22] <carny> or have you watched so many bad american tv shows that you expect to see equipment with lasers rolled into court and show dna matches up on projector screens?
[23:02:45] <Runaway1956> I know that the state legislatures can appoint electoral college voters as they see fit
[23:03:00] <Runaway1956> the mechanisms vary from state to state, but Penna may well do it
[23:03:08] <chromas> If we got rid of affirmative action—I mean electoral college, then moving wouldn't be an issue
[23:04:30] <FatPhil> most of the document was irrelevant waffle
[23:04:55] <FatPhil> proving nothing, just opinions about systems which he admits he has not had access to.
[23:05:02] <FatPhil> I.e. he's *guessing*.
[23:05:06] <AzumaHazuki> runaway is fucking desperate, though
[23:05:12] <AzumaHazuki> remember: 70 million whiny little bitches
[23:05:36] <AzumaHazuki> this is the same maniac who thinks a Biden win means ferocious hordes of black rioters killing people for being white
[23:06:17] <Runaway1956> fewer hordes of blacks, than hordes of communistic anarchists
[23:06:18] <chromas> not hordes, but that's already been happening
[23:06:33] <Runaway1956> BLM and Antifa are calling the honeymoon
[23:07:13] <carny> FatPhil: so the fact that he has previously performed vulnerability assessments on the same voting machines is inadmissible in your opinion?
[23:07:34] <AzumaHazuki> He Lost, Get Over It (TM)
[23:07:51] <chromas> Just because the equipment has shittons of vulnerabilities that many nations would like to exploit doesn't mean they did tho
[23:07:56] <AzumaHazuki> he wasted 3 million dollars of his marks'^W supporters' money in WI to change the vote tally by 132 votes. In favor of Biden.
[23:07:59] <Runaway1956> He has probably lost - but the elections still isn't over zoom-zoom
[23:08:21] <chromas> ol' Zumi repurposing the alt-right talking points
[23:08:25] <carny> trump didn't lose he had the election stolen from him
[23:08:37] <AzumaHazuki> Runaway, you are every bit the suicide bomber as a skinny Afghani kid in a dynamite Wonderbra. Trump wins this, and Social Security and Medicare go boom just as you start to need them
[23:08:53] <carny> as depressing as it is to admit he is very effective at promising things and only pretending to deliver them
[23:08:54] <chromas> Just like they did the first time he won
[23:09:05] <Runaway1956> Yeah, that's about your favorite talking point, I've heard it often enough
[23:09:07] <chromas> best politician ever
[23:09:07] <carny> and so he has an enormous base of support
[23:09:10] <AzumaHazuki> you will willingly condemn yourself to a miserable fate to "own the libs" it sounds like. i cannot comprehend this kind of nihilistic insanity and I pray i never do
[23:09:12] <c0lo> He lost, Runaway, get over with.
[23:09:26] <chromas> c0lo's verse, same as hers
[23:09:34] <carny> chromas: yes isn't that sad?
[23:09:35] <AzumaHazuki> you have got to be suicidal and too cowardly to poison yourself. those "controlled substances" you mention keeping in a safe have to be benzos
[23:09:37] <Runaway1956> they sing harmony
[23:09:59] <AzumaHazuki> if the truth hurts your ears, the problem is that you've listened to lies too long
[23:10:03] <Runaway1956> except when zoom-zoom goes offkey
[23:10:30] <AzumaHazuki> cry harder for me. at this point he either accepts his defeat, or plunges the nation into civil war, and if you think that's going to go well for you...
[23:11:08] <Runaway1956> LOL - if there is a civil war, it will be harder on you than on me
[23:11:11] <AzumaHazuki> FFS, huge chunks of his own party, even former loyalists, are telling him to give it up
[23:11:15] <AzumaHazuki> you're delusional
[23:11:41] <AzumaHazuki> his options are consession or treason, making war against the country. i've no doubt he'll try
[23:11:42] <Runaway1956> so, Never-Trumpers come out of the woodwork, and make you feel more secure
[23:11:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and all the arguing you two do is going to change anything, how?
[23:12:00] <AzumaHazuki> meh, you're right, nothing's going to make this lunatic see sense
[23:12:16] <Runaway1956> she just loves attacking me, doesn't need a real reason
[23:12:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean if you're having fun, fine, but if it's aggravating you, why?
[23:12:31] <AzumaHazuki> the only reason i need is you're fucking nuts
[23:13:01] <Runaway1956> Nuts get to vote too - ask the home where the D's ballot harvested
[23:13:19] <AzumaHazuki> ...that, plus i'm kind of bile-fascinated to see exactly how low you'll sink and what manner of monster you'll become
[23:13:25] <FatPhil> uhoh, runaway's running with the idea of civil war again
[23:13:29] <FatPhil> !boner Runaway1956
[23:13:31] <AzumaHazuki> i know it's gross of me, but it's like a noetic trainwreck. i just can't look away
[23:13:36] <Runaway1956> As I've often mentioned, you're obsessed with me
[23:13:57] <Runaway1956> I remain the man you most wish that you could be
[23:14:01] <AzumaHazuki> i'm obsessed with unraveling this pathology. you just happen to be the closest specimen to hand
[23:14:10] <AzumaHazuki> ...actually i think i found some answers earlier today
[23:14:17] <chromas> Runaway1956: also loves tmb. I smell a love triangle
[23:14:32] <Runaway1956> then it's time you looked at the marriage between the DNC and Antifa for pathology
[23:14:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> zumi lurves me too. it's cause she envies my fishing skillz.
[23:15:09] <AzumaHazuki> https://locusmag.com this link probably explains a lot. i'm still digesting some of it, if only because it seems a little too simple...
[23:15:09] <systemd> ^ 03Cory Doctorow: Zuck’s Empire of Oily Rags
[23:15:25] <Runaway1956> she also envies your relation to Mother Earth, or Gaia if you prefer
[23:15:27] <AzumaHazuki> but the long and short of it is, i'm way overthinking this, and you were never a decent person to begin with.
[23:15:30] <Runaway1956> she can't live naturally
[23:15:55] <AzumaHazuki> define "live naturally." Air conditioning, clothing, and medicine aren't natural
[23:16:05] <Runaway1956> yep
[23:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> tell that to willow bark
[23:16:20] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard: but do you run fish as your shell?
[23:16:47] <AzumaHazuki> so why would i want to "live naturally?" I much prefer (most) technology. They call nature a "mother" for a reason and they're missing a few Samuel-Jackson-esque syllables in there
[23:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, i have it launched as a unit daemon. fishd
[23:17:22] <Runaway1956> get rid of systemd and it will be fishy
[23:17:33] <chromas> fake nues, you don't run systemd
[23:17:52] <Runaway1956> systemd runs you, is what I thought
[23:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh yeah. i forgot.
[23:18:51] <Runaway1956> BTW, the empire of oily rags isn't that hard to digest
[23:19:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> whadda ya call something like that? like stolen valor but for victimhood.
[23:19:02] <Runaway1956> allowing for Doctorow's liberal bias
[23:19:03] <chromas> 11bob@localhost 09~/ 🐟
[23:19:19] <AzumaHazuki> it just seems too pat. maybe i just don't want to believe so many human beings are such worthless trash
[23:19:25] <AzumaHazuki> but there you have it. no sense running from facts
[23:19:42] <Runaway1956> That many human beings are worthless trash - and they are NOT all republicans
[23:20:01] <Runaway1956> WTF do you think I've been railing against?
[23:20:08] <AzumaHazuki> black people, mostly
[23:20:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, zumi, nothing the talking heads say matters. nothing the lawyers tell the press matters. they're all just fucking around making money off idiots who don't know how to go read a book and wait to see what actually happens.
[23:20:17] <AzumaHazuki> something about not wanting your grandkids to be slaves to black and brown people?
[23:20:46] <Runaway1956> correct, now go back and read and try comprehending THE REST of it.
[23:20:53] <Runaway1956> you're fuckin stupid sometimes
[23:20:56] <chromas> !grab AzumaHazuki
[23:20:56] <Bender> Added quote 1006
[23:20:58] <AzumaHazuki> what i don't get is, assuming you have all this money and skill built up, runaway...why don't you emigrate? there are places that would suit you better
[23:21:22] <Runaway1956> I'm American. That's something you don't understand
[23:21:47] <AzumaHazuki> so...you rail against everything that's happened since 1968 or so but you refuse to leave
[23:22:06] <AzumaHazuki> and you're powerless to change anything. so what are you going to do, just sit around chewing your liver till you die of assmad?
[23:22:12] <Runaway1956> And, there is where you're simply full of shit
[23:22:34] <AzumaHazuki> i don't see any concrete action out of you. just whining and threats
[23:22:41] <Runaway1956> it's not me, or people that I approve of who keep the black on the plantations
[23:22:44] <c0lo> he'll die of Trump obsession syndrome.
[23:22:57] <Runaway1956> Dems run the plantations
[23:23:01] <chromas> Says the guy who brings up Trump
[23:23:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> she does that when she doesn't have a good argument against reality. imagines traits that don't exist but she wishes you had.
[23:23:04] <c0lo> It will happen when they'll lock him up.
[23:23:24] * Runaway1956 won't be locked up
[23:23:31] <AzumaHazuki> not you, you paranoid fuck
[23:23:37] <AzumaHazuki> Schmuck A L'Orange
[23:23:57] <c0lo> Oh, not Runaway, they'll let Runaway free.
[23:23:58] <chromas> Runaway1956's so obsessed with Trump everyone else has to keep telling him so
[23:24:08] <AzumaHazuki> locking you up might be a kindness. if nothing else you'd get your meds on time
[23:24:12] <c0lo> They'll only take his guns away.
[23:24:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, yall have fun spinning your wheels and getting your pants all cranky. ima go watch some benny hill.
[23:24:18] * Bytram returns after reading backscroll
[23:24:34] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: how's ig going with the coloring?
[23:24:38] <AzumaHazuki> i don't want anyone taking his guns away. how else is he going to commit suicide on 21 January?
[23:24:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, isn't. i may poke it later tonight or in the morning.
[23:25:03] <chromas> I thought that was your shtick
[23:25:11] <c0lo> He won't commit suicide in Jan.
[23:25:27] <AzumaHazuki> if necessary yes. i have the method and materials. i also promised not to do it unless everything goes completely pizdec
[23:25:48] <Bytram> Runaway1956: carny c0lo AzumaHazuki FYI we have #US_Election --please take your election discussion there
[23:25:57] <c0lo> Maybe later, when his granddaughter will dye her hair green and join BLM.
[23:26:03] <AzumaHazuki> LOL!
[23:26:09] <c0lo> It's inevitable.
[23:26:15] <AzumaHazuki> i thought it was bluehairs he has a problem with, not green
[23:26:23] <AzumaHazuki> sailor neptune is fine, it's mercury he can't stand =P
[23:26:38] <Bytram> and anyone else I missed
[23:27:13] <c0lo> bytram, that's not about election, that one has long passed and the results are settled.
[23:27:20] <AzumaHazuki> ^ this
[23:27:22] <c0lo> It's about shitposting.
[23:27:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, no, they're not.
[23:27:52] <AzumaHazuki> it's about trying to figure out, also, what in the unmerciful haemorrhaging fuck is wrong with runaway. i think i may not be able to emulate the sociopathic headspace necessary to really, truly grok him though
[23:27:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are settled when the electors vote, until then it's all monday morning quarterbacking
[23:28:10] <c0lo> And pushing the buttons for keks. Alt-right and 4chan's lessons are truly alive.
[23:28:20] <Bytram> the election is still in progress, until the Electoral College has met and voted, the election is not over.
[23:28:27] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo: that "empire of oily rags" thing is creepily prescient
[23:28:36] <Bytram> and over 2 years old
[23:28:44] <c0lo> Yes, they are, TMB. You just refuse to admit it.
[23:29:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, no, the law specifically says how we elect presidents and popular vote is not it.
[23:29:23] <AzumaHazuki> technically he's right, but in any sane world, it wouldn't matter. the inmates are running the asylum, though, and seem determined to burn it down if they can't permanently take it over
[23:29:23] <Runaway1956> Bytram++ for understanding how the election works
[23:29:23] <Bender> karma - bytram: 143
[23:29:28] <Bytram> Until the Electoral College votes, nothing is determined
[23:29:48] <Bytram> s/nothing/***NOTHING***/
[23:29:48] <SedBot> <Bytram> Until the Electoral College votes, ***NOTHING*** is determined
[23:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> schrodinger's president
[23:30:28] <carny> it's genuinely confusing to me how democrats can spend years complaining that voting machines are backdoored and can't be trusted right up until their guy wins
[23:30:38] <c0lo> The inmates die as in higher numbers every day. Expect a higher load before Xmas, 'zumi.
[23:30:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> how big a press you think we'd need to get trump n biden in a superposition?
[23:30:43] <carny> and then voting machines are perfect and everything they say is gospel
[23:30:44] <Runaway1956> carny++
[23:30:44] <Bender> karma - carny: 4
[23:31:23] <carny> the best arguments sidney powell and lin wood are making in their filings are quoting democrats
[23:31:44] <Bytram> I believe I have #invited all of you to #US_Election -- anyone want to be .kicked, you are invited to try continuing election discussions here
[23:32:00] <carny> it's going to be essentially impossible for judges to find a way to dismiss the allegations that they are already on record agreeing with
[23:32:05] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo: i really shouldn't waste time on this idiocy honestly. night shift starts Sunday at 2300 and I'm in the process of shifting sleep/eat phase
[23:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, now you got cranky on Bytram's pants
[23:32:18] <carny> and if they try i expect there will be lynchings at the very least
[23:32:31] <carny> and i'm sure most of them realize that by now
[23:32:34] <c0lo> Go ahead, 'zumi, make your sleep.
[23:32:52] * Runaway1956 watches the door swing shut
[23:32:54] <c0lo> The IRC is now lively.
[23:33:27] <Runaway1956> livery blue
[23:33:43] <AzumaHazuki> c0lo: no, it's the other way. i've got to stay up till about 0400, sleep around 4 hours, do another 4 up and 7 down, and let the alarm go off at 1900
[23:34:07] <c0lo> Oh, ok., then have a look of this https://www.usatoday.com
[23:34:07] <systemd> ^ 03Donor to pro-Trump group sues to get his money back after dropped election lawsuits
[23:34:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, yes but nothing being said is of quality greater than fox pundits vs msnbc pundits yelling at each other.
[23:34:08] <AzumaHazuki> this may be a good time to do some MIDI work
[23:34:42] * Runaway1956 watches c0lo testing the word of Bytram
[23:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[23:35:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> oops
[23:35:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[23:36:05] * FatPhil would prefer the US pissfight take place on the channel created specifically for that purpose.
[23:36:21] <FatPhil> !boner Runaway1956
[23:36:25] * TheMightyBuzzard pees on FatPhil's shoe
[23:36:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The ISS is About to Receive a New Doorway to Space - https://sylnt.us - when-one-door-closes-another-opens
[23:36:33] <FatPhil> chromas, we need that feature!
[23:36:44] <Bytram> I just learned a new fun word: .quiet
[23:36:44] <Runaway1956> fatphil gets off on boner fights
[23:36:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, write it into bender
[23:36:58] <FatPhil> where's the bender repo?
[23:37:19] <Bytram> it got hauled away?
[23:37:21] <Runaway1956> I think it's filed under "R"
[23:38:08] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard: I have a yank in the flat, if I want to partake I can partake privtely.
[23:38:11] * c0lo thinking anothe channel is not enough. Onw will need to convince carny to spew her CT there
[23:38:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> golden shoeshine?
[23:38:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, is no repo. he lives on beryllium in ~sylnt/.jsb/
[23:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> you got sufficient perms i believe
[23:39:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> start/stop scripts are in ~sylnt/bin/
[23:40:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm hungry. i should make food.
[23:40:54] <Runaway1956> There's something about Thanksgiving - been eating all day, and I'm still hungry
[23:40:58] * c0lo offers some nails to TMB to craft some food
[23:41:11] <Runaway1956> Kraft food
[23:41:34] <Bytram> As much fun as you all are having, this *IS* the general channel, the one that people are joined into by default if they load IRC from the web interface. Please think not only of yourselves and your own interests, please.
[23:41:44] <Bytram> Runaway1956: oymoron
[23:41:57] <Runaway1956> lol
[23:41:59] <AzumaHazuki> or the 'beetus
[23:42:17] * c0lo oy, moron! There, FTFY bytram.
[23:42:37] * Runaway1956 thanks oxyc0lo
[23:42:38] <Bytram> Kraft Singles -- "Pasteurized Process Cheese Food" -- what *IS* that?
[23:43:00] <Runaway1956> I have never figured that out Bytram - either it's cheese, or it's not cheese
[23:43:09] <Bytram> hmmm
[23:43:13] <chromas> cheese product
[23:43:20] <Bytram> =w "Pasteurized Process Cheese Food"
[23:43:21] <systemd> percent of the weight, and fat content not less than 49 percent. Pasteurized process cheese food, which is made from one or more of the cheeses available for - https://en.wikipedia.org
[23:43:31] <Runaway1956> They rubbed something on a cow's teat and called it food?
[23:43:48] <chromas> I seen't it on pornhub
[23:44:08] <Runaway1956> bestiality channel?
[23:44:28] <Bytram> "Processed cheese (also known as prepared cheese, cheese product, plastic cheese or cheese singles) is a food product made from cheese and other unfermented dairy ingredients mixed with emulsifiers. Additional ingredients, such as vegetable oils, salt, food coloring, or sugar may be included. As a result, many flavors, colors, and textures of processed cheese exist. Processed cheese typically contains around 50-60% natural cheese."
[23:44:58] <Bytram> "Plastic cheese"? LOL!
[23:45:30] <c0lo> Salt is unnatural. Vegetable oil too.
[23:45:39] <Runaway1956> as a side note - you realize the milk used in cheese doesn't have to be pasteurized, right?
[23:45:54] <Runaway1956> anything that grows in there is "good"
[23:46:12] <c0lo> In where?
[23:46:23] <Runaway1956> in the cheese food, of course
[23:47:23] <c0lo> Tell that to a lactose intolerant.
[23:47:52] <Bytram> "Owing to its highly mechanized (i.e., assembly line) methods of production, and additive ingredients (e.g., oils, salts, or colors), some softer varieties of processed cheese cannot legally be labeled as actual "cheese" in many countries, even those in which slightly harder varieties can be. Such products tend to be classified as "cheese food", "cheese spread", or "cheese product" (depending primarily on the amount of cheese, moisture,
[23:47:52] <Bytram> and milkfat present in the final product). "
[23:48:17] <AzumaHazuki> bleh. even as a kid i didn't like that stuff past age 5 or so
[23:48:37] <Runaway1956> Shelf life is about 15 years, I thought
[23:49:01] <Runaway1956> Oh yeah, ice cream that never melts - there's some pretty weird magic with that too
[23:50:12] <c0lo> https://xkcd.com
[23:50:13] <systemd> ^ 03Steroids
[23:51:29] <c0lo> "We humans are sacks of chemicals which stay alive by finding other chemicals and putting them inside us."
[23:51:36] <Bytram> Ewww. After reading that Wiki article, I am even more convinced I do not want anything to do with any of those "formulations"
[23:51:53] <chromas> oil bad
[23:52:39] <Bytram> chromas: tell that to Iran, Iraq, Audi Arabia, ...
[23:52:52] <Bytram> and the USA, for that matter!
[23:52:55] <chromas> Are they making our cheese product?
[23:52:59] <Runaway1956> This is why I posted "Kraft foot" above - one might be better off eating the nails that c0lo offered to TMB
[23:53:03] <chromas> seems pretty crude
[23:53:10] <chromas> kraft dinner
[23:53:31] <Runaway1956> kraft crude food?
[23:53:32] <chromas> sneaky canadians
[23:54:05] <chromas> oops, krafty, clearly
[23:54:44] * Runaway1956 wonders where they get Kraft paper - is that the stuff they couldn't make "edible"?
[23:55:18] <AzumaHazuki> see stuff like this is why i like to cook at home from simple base components
[23:55:52] <AzumaHazuki> the instant pot is a lazy cook's dream. i can have turkey chilli in an hour, 15 minutes of which is prep time and 15 minutes of which is letting the 'Pot come to steam pressure
[23:56:57] <Runaway1956> When you get down to it, it's all hydrocarbons - we can make dinner from crude oil if we need to.
[23:57:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> heretics. ain't a thing wrong with kraft singles. they are in fact the best burger cheese extant.
[23:58:07] <Runaway1956> sharp cheddar is better
[23:58:15] <Runaway1956> and some medium hard Swiss cheese
[23:58:19] <FatPhil> AzumaHazuki: you got me all interested in instantpot, and until I came across this 'feature' https://instantpot.com
[23:58:22] <systemd> ^ 03Instant Pot Smart Wifi
[23:58:33] <FatPhil> -and
[23:58:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. neither of the above melt worth a shit. they separate into goo and oil.
[23:58:49] <AzumaHazuki> theres a bunch of different models. mine does not have wifi
[23:58:56] <AzumaHazuki> nor would i use it if it did
[23:59:39] <AzumaHazuki> mine is the 6qt Duo Nova, the most average and widely-used one
[23:59:40] <chromas> if they separate into goo and oil then you can use them to make kraft singkles