#soylent | Logs for 2020-11-01
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[00:08:31] <c0lo> barred quote notes?
[00:09:41] <Bytram> bar none?
[00:10:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, course not, social distancing
[00:10:26] <Bytram> yeah, so none at the bar?
[00:11:22] <c0lo> Singles only, social distancing. Improper for quotation, one needs a pair.
[00:12:10] <Bytram> BTW, friendly PSA. Just because you might not have been drinking, does not mean the other guy is sober. Especially on Halloween night. Be careful out there!
[00:13:26] <Bytram> In the Garden of Eden, the trouble was not with the apple from the tree but with the pair on the ground.
[00:14:48] <c0lo> Snake.
[00:15:16] <c0lo> And lots of badgers in between. A mushroom occasionally.
[00:17:55] <c0lo> Halloween's over over here, anyway. Zero new cases of coronavirus and no deaths. https://www.abc.net.au
[00:17:56] <systemd> ^ 03Victoria records zero new cases of coronavirus and no deaths - ABC News
[00:20:35] <c0lo> =yt jfNfkYvh214
[00:20:36] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Apart Together by Tim Minchin (Official Video) (04:17; 138,740 views; 👍6,499 👎56)
[00:33:08] <FatPhil> we're full on second wave here, and the only mask i saw toady was the one that was rising up my nose... https://koroonakaart.ee
[00:33:10] <systemd> ^ 03Koroonakaart - Statistika koroonaviiruse leviku kohta Eestis
[00:34:30] <FatPhil> almost all cases can be directly linked to foreign toxic scum crossing our borders, and then paying absolutely no attention to self-quarantining regulations.
[00:36:22] <FatPhil> theoretically the bars close at midnight, but I can still hear partying going on in the bar downstairs, and it's past 2:30. Pretty sure that curve is only heading upwards.
[00:50:27] <c0lo> lolsob
[00:51:07] <c0lo> (sad, but cynical grin)
[00:53:11] <c0lo> Particularly, I'm not sure you can blame foreign toxic scum for the bars that won't close when they should.
[00:53:41] <FatPhil> one group brings it in, the other group spreads it around
[00:56:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Form Ultra-Strong Coupling Between Photons and Atoms - https://sylnt.us - Spooky
[00:57:32] <c0lo> An extra bit of info: took 111 days of hard lockdown (curfew at night, 5km travel restrictions) to get from 700+/day to 0 over here. One single mistake added 3 unnecessary weeks into that 111days.
[00:58:26] <c0lo> If such "mistakes" happen on an everyday basis, unfortunately, the trajectory is only up.
[01:36:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> if only someone had told folks long ago that it was too contagious to hide from...
[01:37:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, myself and every scientist and doctor who studied it did
[01:46:06] <Bytram> Just not any stable geniuses, right? Those are the ones who know what is best for... farm critters. Amirite?
[01:46:36] <Bytram> and on that (flat) note, it
[01:47:02] <Bytram> is time for me to get some sleep.
[01:47:09] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody! And...
[01:47:10] <Bytram> .
[01:47:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> stability is for losers. everyone knows things that jiggle are better.
[01:47:25] <Bytram> remember to turn your clocks back
[01:47:30] <Bytram> .
[01:47:35] * TheMightyBuzzard pokes Deucalion
[01:47:57] <Bytram> DST end for most of the folk in the USA, that is.
[01:48:24] <Bytram> =g BST when
[01:48:25] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - British Summer Time - Wikipedia
[01:50:46] <Bytram> https://upload.wikimedia.org
[01:52:03] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Looks like they (BST) did their's a week ago: 2020: BST runs from 29 March -- 25 October
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[02:36:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Former James Bond Actor Sir Sean Connery Dies Aged 90: British Media - https://sylnt.us - R.I.P.
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[03:17:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SiFive Announces HiFive Unmatched Mini-ITX Motherboard for RISC-V PCs - https://sylnt.us - gimme-five!
[03:29:53] <c0lo> "everyone knows things that jiggle are better" Meh, I prefer to do the jiggle myself, not be jiggled by others. You may call me a jiigle-libertarian if you so like.
[03:30:27] <c0lo> s/jiigle/jiggle/
[03:30:27] <SedBot> <c0lo> "everyone knows things that jiggle are better" Meh, I prefer to do the jiggle myself, not be jiggled by others. You may call me a jiggle-libertarian if you so like.
[03:55:41] <c0lo> https://www.theguardian.com
[03:55:43] <systemd> ^ 03Joe Biden supporters won't believe in victory until it is theirs
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[05:29:23] <Runaway1956> The end is near. Again.
[05:36:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 7.0 Magnitude Earthquake Strikes in Aegean Sea; at Least 14 Dead in Turkey and Greece - https://sylnt.us - Earthquake
[06:00:25] <Runaway1957> Breaking News, two days later.
[07:57:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Flash Graphene Rocks Strategy for Plastic Waste - https://sylnt.us - if-you-make-use-of-it,-is-it-still-"waste"?
[08:48:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 7.0 Magnitude Earthquake Strikes in Aegean Sea; at Least 14 Dead in Turkey and Greece - https://sylnt.us - Earthquake
[08:51:55] <Runaway1957> #list
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[10:15:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Here’s How Giant Pumpkins Get So Big - https://sylnt.us - out-of-your-gourd
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[12:46:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Repurpose MRI Magnet for New Discoveries - https://sylnt.us - reuse-repurpose-recycle
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[13:34:51] <Bytram_phone> strange!
[13:35:35] <Bytram_phone> Seems like i can get here directly with my phone....
[13:36:18] <Bytram_phone> but both my lappy's cannot connect.
[13:39:09] <Bytram_phone> =g soylentnews.org
[13:39:10] <systemd> https://soylentnews.org - SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[13:49:54] <Bytram_phone> anybody here?
[13:59:58] <Runaway1956> bytram_phone - I can't imagine a phone makes a good IRC client
[14:00:23] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.rt.com
[14:00:26] <systemd> Submitting "‘Very excited’ astronomers discover activity on rare CENTAUR hybrid of comet and asteroid"...
[14:00:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03‘Very Excited’ Astronomers Discover Activity on Rare CENTAUR Hybrid of Comet and Asteroid" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:02:31] <Bytram_phone> so, the site is ok, but my net access does not work on ubuntu OR mate.
[14:03:48] <Runaway1956> You broke your Ubuntu?
[14:04:52] <Bytram_phone> two diff laptops. 1 ubuntu 18.o4
[14:05:11] <Bytram_phone> other is Mate 20.4
[14:05:29] <Runaway1956> neither of them connects to the interwebz?
[14:05:30] <lld> Bytram_phone: try wireshark
[14:05:44] <Bytram_phone> both accessint net thru this phone!
[14:05:44] <lld> or maybe some firewall thing is interrupting you
[14:06:00] <lld> yeah, sounds like overzealous firewall
[14:06:15] <Runaway1956> rebooted your router lately?
[14:07:23] <Bytram_phone> no router. just MIFI mode on this phone...
[14:07:46] <Bytram_phone> which I restarted this AM
[14:08:25] <Runaway1956> hmmmm . . . so, what you're saying is that neither laptop is actually accessing the internet this morning, which they normally do through the phone
[14:08:27] <Bytram_phone> how do i tell linux to refresh ?
[14:08:53] <Bytram_phone> yus!
[14:09:45] <Runaway1956> I use connman to manage my connections -
[14:10:03] <Runaway1956> when I have a problem, I open connman to see it the connection is alive
[14:10:04] <Bytram_phone> winipcfg -refresh or something like that?
[14:10:40] <Bytram_phone> not installed
[14:10:48] <Bytram_phone> hold ob
[14:11:34] <Bytram_phone> are you sure it is. connman ??
[14:11:57] <Runaway1956> on my machine it is, but I don't run Ubuntu
[14:12:17] <Bytram_phone> ahhh, k
[14:12:44] <Runaway1956> gotta know which connection manager you use
[14:12:54] <Runaway1956> is there no icon in the tool tray?
[14:14:02] <Bytram_phone> not that I can see
[14:15:17] <Runaway1956> tr nmtui and/or nmcli
[14:15:28] <Runaway1956> try nmtui and/or nmcli
[14:16:22] <Runaway1956> need coffee, BRB
[14:18:44] <Runaway1956> also, try iwconfig to see if your laptop devices are alive
[14:20:15] <Runaway1956> https://linoxide.com
[14:20:15] <systemd> ^ 03How to Connect to WiFi from Terminal on Ubuntu 20.04
[14:20:52] * Runaway1956 presumes that on the laptop MIFI will appear as a WIFI connection -
[14:21:02] * Runaway1956 has no good reason for that presumption
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[14:36:05] <Runaway1956> =submit https://torrentfreak.com
[14:36:07] <systemd> Submitting "An Extraordinarily Successful Anti-Piracy Campaign...Or Maybe Not * TorrentFreak"...
[14:36:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03An Extraordinarily Successful Anti-Piracy Campaign...Or Maybe Not * TorrentFreak" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:36:41] <Runaway1956> wife is due home any time - BBIAW
[14:49:58] <Bytram> I'm baaaaack!
[14:50:34] <Bytram> Runaway1956: Thanks for the help!
[14:51:23] <Bytram> restarted lappy (Dewey) Ubuntu Mate 29.04.1... no joy
[14:51:37] <Bytram> shut down lappy
[14:52:00] <Bytram> shotdown (powered off) phone.
[14:52:15] <Bytram> Powered on phone
[14:52:29] <Bytram> powered on Lappy
[14:52:42] <Bytram> no connection
[14:53:12] <Bytram> turned on phone's "Mobile Hotspot"
[14:53:19] <Bytram> waited a few seconds.
[14:53:55] <Bytram> See alert on lappy that I was now connected to phone's network connection
[14:54:34] <Bytram> tried ping in terminal: both soylentnews.org and chat.soylentnews.org worked(!)
[14:54:43] <Bytram> started HexChat...
[14:54:58] <Bytram> And I am back! Yay!
[14:57:09] <Bytram> Runaway1956++ thanks for the help!
[14:57:09] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 20
[14:57:36] <Bytram> and... break time! Not the way I want to start my day!
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[15:01:32] <janrinok> Bytram, sounds like you are having connection problems?
[15:03:36] <Runaway1956> cool -
[15:06:34] <Runaway1956> New movie due out soon - 'Escape from Paris'
[15:06:43] <Runaway1956> New York City is old hat now
[15:06:58] <janrinok> Runaway1956, o/
[15:07:13] <Runaway1956> \o back at ya
[15:08:45] <Runaway1956> China is starting their own census it looks . . .
[15:10:14] <Bytram> they've got about 5x the number of people in the USA
[15:10:22] <Bytram> =g population China
[15:10:23] <systemd> https://www.worldometers.info - China Population (2020) - Worldometer
[15:11:12] <Runaway1956> I think when they started their one child per couple, they wanted to get under 1 billion
[15:11:31] <Runaway1956> still at 1.4 and probably still sinking some, but more slowly
[15:11:44] <Bytram> China Population (LIVE): 1,441,215,458
[15:12:47] <Bytram> India Population (LIVE): 1,384,662,420
[15:13:00] <Runaway1956> India is real close at 1.384 billion
[15:13:17] <Bytram> Ninja'd!
[15:13:26] <Bytram> https://www.worldometers.info
[15:13:27] <systemd> ^ 03Population by Country (2020) - Worldometer
[15:13:31] <Runaway1956> That's ~1/4 of the world's population
[15:13:58] <Bytram> World Population: 7,822,495,075
[15:14:56] <Runaway1956> 1.4 + 1.3 = 2.7 makes a little more than 1/4
[15:15:24] <Bytram> Yanno, upi just *might* be "One in a Million", but that means there are 1,441 people in China exactly like you!
[15:15:42] <Bytram> Yanno, you just *might* be "One in a Million", but that means there are 1,441 people in China exactly like you!
[15:16:13] * Bytram seems to have inherited some of cmn32480's typing skills
[15:16:22] <Runaway1956> Nuh-uh! They mostly have blacker and straighter hair than I have
[15:16:57] <Runaway1956> 'specially since I've turned gray
[15:17:05] <Bytram> Break time for realz; afk for a while.
[15:17:36] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[15:17:57] <Runaway1956> Oh - some people are speculating that flu shots in the west explains why western nations are being hit so hard with Covid
[15:18:12] <Runaway1956> was going to submit that, and got distracted when wife got home
[15:19:37] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.slashgear.com
[15:19:39] <systemd> Submitting "CDC Director gives flu shot warning – and a big COVID-19 prediction"...
[15:20:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03CDC Director Gives Flu Shot Warning – and a Big COVID-19 Prediction" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:22:22] <Runaway1956> Has anyone actually seen Trump dance? All I've seen is him waving his arms a little bit - old phat bastards don't dance
[15:23:15] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.cbsnews.com
[15:23:16] <systemd> Submitting "Asteroid samples successfully sealed in capsule to return to Earth, NASA says"...
[15:23:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Asteroid Samples Successfully Sealed in Capsule to Return to Earth, NASA Says" (22 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:25:56] <Runaway1956> =submit https://doctormurray.com
[15:25:58] <systemd> Submitting "Does the Flu Shot Increase COVID-19 Risk (YES!) and Other Interesting Questions"...
[15:26:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Does the Flu Shot Increase COVID-19 Risk (YES!) and Other Interesting Questions" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:12:07] <AzumaHazuki> does anything linked from that article explain "viral interference?"
[16:12:18] <AzumaHazuki> i would not doubt that this is possible but it requires evidence
[16:14:46] <Runaway1956> https://www.courier-journal.com
[16:14:47] <systemd> ^ 03'Trump Train' events planned in Kentucky on Sunday, including in Louisville and Lexington
[16:15:59] <Runaway1956> You too may participate in one of these historic events!
[16:16:31] <Runaway1956> https://www.breitbart.com
[16:16:31] <systemd> ^ 03Americans to Join 'Trump Train' Parades in Multiple States This Weekend
[16:17:19] <AzumaHazuki> i would, but i forgot my flamethrower in Erie :V
[16:37:17] <FatPhil> it's like a conga, I hope?
[16:45:47] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[16:45:49] <systemd> ^ 03"BIDEN 2020" — A Bad Lip Reading
[16:49:16] <Runaway1956> Mmmmmmm, sandpaper salad
[16:51:34] <Runaway1956> https://www.youtube.com
[16:51:36] <systemd> ^ 03"DEBATE NIGHT 2020!" — A Bad Lip Reading of the First Presidential Debate of 2020
[17:19:29] <Runaway1956> https://www.zerohedge.com
[17:19:30] <systemd> ^ 03Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Endorses President Trump, Marking First GOP Endorsement In Almost 50 Years
[17:22:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[17:22:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> just in case it slipped your minds
[17:24:00] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i don't think anyone really believes that was a straight suicide
[17:24:31] <AzumaHazuki> that's right up there with trickle-down economics and Islam at this point
[17:25:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> and peaceful protests
[17:25:28] <FatPhil> mostly
[17:25:36] <AzumaHazuki> oh, those are real. most of them are, some aren't
[17:26:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla Releases Beta Version of "Full Self-Driving" Software - https://sylnt.us - be-extra-careful-about-the-other-"driver"
[17:26:16] <AzumaHazuki> nice try th--actually, no, that sucked :v even for a troll
[17:27:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i liked that one cause the the mental playback of benedict cumberbatch saying "lol no" out loud
[17:27:35] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[17:28:34] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.wired.com
[17:28:36] <systemd> Submitting "Beware a New Google Drive Scam Landing in Inboxes"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.wired.co.uk )
[17:28:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Beware a New Google Drive Scam Landing in Inboxes" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:29:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you have thirty protests a night and one of them sets buildings and cars on fire, attacks anyone not woke enough, too white, or enforcing laws... yeah, yer shit ain't peaceful. it's reliably violent.
[17:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... there's lunch somewhere in the kitchen that wants me to be friends with it
[17:50:13] <AzumaHazuki> so a 1:30 ratio is numerically equal to a 1:1 ratio? I know your kind is bad at math but wow
[17:50:43] <AzumaHazuki> here's a clue: you can condemn parts of a group while still supporting the overall message. i know this kind of nuance is too hard for you
[17:55:10] <Runaway1956> Leave the nuances in France, or Quebec
[17:55:47] <AzumaHazuki> sorry, did you say something? i just heard a sound like someone stepping on a half-deflated whoopie cushion
[17:55:59] <AzumaHazuki> only less informative
[17:56:13] <Runaway1956> That must be a result of all that Toronto knife activity overflowing to Buffalo
[17:56:35] <Runaway1956> Were you out and about last night?
[17:57:21] <AzumaHazuki> here, have some Gas-X. sounds (and smells) like you've been in need of it for a few years
[18:05:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i'm not condemning the message. i'm condemning the messengers. if you outnumber the troublemakers hundreds to one and you do nothing or even cheer them on, you're no better than they are.
[18:05:41] <AzumaHazuki> agreed, now go out there and put a stop to the bad behavior from every single person whose views resemble your own
[18:06:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> flaw in your argument
[18:06:20] <AzumaHazuki> i know, i know, you're a sociopath so you don't truly align with anyone
[18:06:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> the protesters don't have to go anywhere. they simply have to not tolerate shit happening right in front of them.
[18:07:08] <AzumaHazuki> good thing there's no such thing as an agent provocateur, also, while i think of it :) nope
[18:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> irrelevant.
[18:07:32] <AzumaHazuki> wrong again
[18:07:57] <AzumaHazuki> and saying so don't make it so. besides which, what skin do you have in this game? sit down, shut up, and watch the world burn. you asked for this.
[18:08:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, doesn't matter if the flag's false or true. matters if you stand by and watch it happen.
[18:08:17] <AzumaHazuki> see above
[18:08:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> repeating something i just shot down does not make an argument
[18:09:16] <AzumaHazuki> when you have an argument to make, let me know. you're starting to sound a bit whoopie-cushion-ish
[18:09:23] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs
[18:09:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's some fucked up brain activity you got going on there
[18:10:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> but reality and you have never been friends, so it's kind of expected.
[18:10:19] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, sorry, now it's all just "prrrrtpghthphlb" or so from your end
[18:10:45] <AzumaHazuki> you could remedy this by pulling your head out your ass, but we all know the chances of that happening before you die...
[18:11:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and from your end it's argue, get your shit pushed in logically, ad hom, spike the ball.
[18:11:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> always
[18:11:25] <AzumaHazuki> hey, can i help it if you keep coming to a battle of wits unarmed? or armed, as it were, with the aforesaid poot sack?
[18:11:36] <Bytram> so, a 99-lb 5'0" peaceful protester should take on, say, a violent 250-lb 6'3" protester?
[18:11:45] <Bytram> gtg laundry
[18:12:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> you keep saying how you always win so many arguments but you have never, not once, actually put forth logic and reason enough to win an argument with me.
[18:12:09] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, he's not arguing in good faith and never was. it's another case of "haha, stupid fuckin' libs, going high when we go low! let's smash them with their own idiotic principles!"
[18:12:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, yes. with a half dozen of their friends. it's called not being a coward.
[18:13:06] <AzumaHazuki> to the psychopath, the very fact that others have this honor and this range of prosocial behaviors is itself justification to harm them. it's seen as weakness. we "deserve" to be taken advantage of and harmed for being weak
[18:13:25] <AzumaHazuki> i know you don't want to think like this, but some things in human shape are not humans. Uzzard there is not wired properly.
[18:13:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> letting a violent nutjob burn shit or attack people is not pro-social
[18:13:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> society has NEVER thought that
[18:14:06] <AzumaHazuki> whether it did or not, what do you know or care?
[18:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why we've had guards and police since we've had society.
[18:14:21] <AzumaHazuki> oh, NOW you want them around
[18:14:25] <AzumaHazuki> typical
[18:14:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't read?
[18:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> where in the past few sentences did i put forth an opinion?
[18:15:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nowhere. i stated facts about folks other than myself.
[18:15:22] <AzumaHazuki> know what? this isn't even worth the photons any longer. you are never, ever going to be a functioning human. everything you say and do is psychopathic sludge. even statements of truth get turned into nothing more than tools for your self-serving bullshit
[18:15:27] <AzumaHazuki> so I'm done with you
[18:15:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> you arguing against something i didn't remotely say is par for the course too though.
[18:15:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> wise choice. you suck at arguing with me.
[18:17:00] <chromas> On a better topic, I can't connect to Google Hangouts, Steam or my local xmpp server from Pidgin anymore (SSL Handshake Failed)
[18:17:09] <chromas> Is there some SSL news I missed?
[18:17:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> well hangouts is completely gone here in the next month or so. no idea on steam or you local xmpp server
[18:18:01] <chromas> where's hangouts going?
[18:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> poof
[18:18:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i wasn't calling you gay
[18:18:38] <chromas> heh, I was just about to say that's totally gay
[18:19:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: so, let's say the 99-lb protester calls the police who, unfortunately, take a while to track down and apprehend the Big One. Who, in the meantime, has wreaked havoc. How would you characterize that protest?
[18:19:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> violent and full of cowards or sympathizers.
[18:20:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't get to shirk responsibility off onto the cops if you know good and well they're only going to arrive in time to write reports.
[18:20:52] <Bytram> so, the non-violent protesters should get together and take down the violent one? So to solve the violence, are you advocating... violence?
[18:21:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> obviously. in the same manner society always has. what do you think laws are except use of force to prevent bad behavior?
[18:22:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i'm saying if you stand by and watch something bad happen when you could have prevented it, you are as responsible as the person who did it though.
[18:23:22] <Bytram> So, by advocating violence to counter violence, all it takes is a few violent protesters to stir things up and the mostly peaceful protest has turned violent... there's no way out once it starts?
[18:23:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you're wanting to give moral equivalency to all forms of violence.
[18:23:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are not morally equal
[18:24:06] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram: stop. wasting. time. on. him. what part of "sociopath" do you not understand? do you not see his post history? this person is not interested in anything ouside his own skull
[18:24:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> the cops showing up and doing something is violence.
[18:24:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it is not morally repugnant violence. or at least when it's execxuted properly it's not.
[18:25:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, ah, the old "i have no argument and am askeert to look like a fool again" cry of sociopath
[18:25:46] <Bytram> If I were to attempt to personally intervene, I'd likely end up in a hospital. So, I'd call the police. I am not standing by, I'm not condoning it, I am taking reasonable steps within my ability to quell the strife.
[18:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, see above. not the "when you could have prevented it" bit.
[18:26:40] <Bytram> then I could *not* have prevented it.
[18:27:07] <Bytram> brb
[18:27:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if you're standing there with a few dozen other protesters, you lose that excuse
[18:29:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, two up, s/not/note/
[18:29:56] <chromas> AzumaHazuki: don't use periods like that; use clap emojis
[18:30:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, don't tell a woman what to do with her periods. her body, her choice.
[18:30:34] <chromas> I think my pc's just being a dick because it knows it's being replaced tomorrow
[18:31:00] <chromas> good point about the periodicals
[18:31:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> crap, it's after noon. i should get me a nap.
[18:33:07] <chromas> It would be great to see the mostly peaceful protestors gang up on the instigators and beat them to hospitalization the way they do with people they think disagree with them
[18:35:30] <halibut> Concerning the links submitted earlier about flu vaccines increasing risk of COVID-19 complications:
[18:36:24] <halibut> The first link points to the CDC, and the argument there is if people do not vaccinate, a larger fraction of them will end up in the hospital, increasing load and competing with COVID-19.
[18:36:29] <Bytram> So, let me see if I've got this. Peaceful protest. Add agent provocateur. (1) Do nothing == Violent protest (2) call cops == violent protest (3) attempt to quell protester with other crown members == violent protest.
[18:36:48] <halibut> Furthermore, if people vaccinate too early, it will not work as well, and the hospitals will also have more load.
[18:37:29] <halibut> The article recommends waiting a little bit to vaccinate. The article is old enough that ``waiting a bit'' means ``September or October'', so now is a little on the late side to vaccinate, but still good (in the US, at least).
[18:37:34] <Bytram> halibut: thanks! (already noticed and noted for other editors to see.)
[18:37:47] <halibut> The second article is definitely a ``citation needed''. I searched around for a citation, and found articles like these:
[18:37:56] <AzumaHazuki> halibut: no surprise there considering the source. runaway's entire MO is "fuck you i won't do what you tell me"
[18:38:00] <halibut> https://medicalxpress.com
[18:38:01] <systemd> ^ 03Study finds no link between influenza vaccine and COVID-19 risk
[18:38:02] <halibut> (this)
[18:38:13] <halibut> Interestingly, that provided enough information to actually find the study:
[18:38:23] <halibut> https://www.cambridge.org
[18:38:25] <AzumaHazuki> he really does seem to be running on a simple heuristic: "if an 'expert' says it, it must be false, and also i can own the libs this way"
[18:38:25] <systemd> ^ 03Safety of Influenza Vaccine during COVID-19
[18:39:10] <halibut> An interesting thing from the study is that they did find a correlation between vaccination rates and higher COVID-19 complication rates. However, that appears to be explained by the fact that the vaccinated group tended to be older than the unvaccinated group.
[18:39:40] <halibut> Correcting for that appeared to explain the correlation, but they do finish by suggesting it would be worth further study.
[18:40:53] <AzumaHazuki> nuance is for libs, commies, cucks, and the French, as you saw above :v
[18:41:07] <AzumaHazuki> fuck the facts, there is an Agenda to push!
[18:41:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, again, you're equating all forms of violence morally
[18:41:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are not equal
[18:41:51] <AzumaHazuki> oh yes, and while pushing it, make sure you pre-emptively accuse others of not being in touch with reality. since as we all know, this 1) makes it true and 2) absolves you of the very same thing.
[18:41:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> stopping someone from harming others through violence has been socially acceptable since before humans were humans.
[18:43:15] <Bytram> I am just trying to point out that, to a bystander, protesters trying to quell agitators looks like just a larger bunch of protesters.
[18:43:33] <Bytram> I am just trying to point out that, to a bystander, protesters trying to quell agitators looks like just a larger bunch of agitators.
[18:43:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> only if they're not paying attention
[18:45:17] <halibut> Correction: The doctormurray article did have some citation information from a study about viral interference. I could only find this three paragraph summary:
[18:45:20] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[18:45:23] <halibut> https://www.sciencedirect.com
[18:45:24] <systemd> ^ 03Influenza vaccination and respiratory virus interference among Department of Defense personnel during the 2017–2018 influenza season
[18:45:50] <AzumaHazuki> he doesn't care. again: sociopath. thank fuck he's also, lazy, dumb, and ADHD. if he ever got near the levers of power, ugh
[18:46:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, consider united flight 93. did the folks who used violence on those wanting to harm others get vilified or lionized?
[18:48:19] <halibut> It gives no data, but some results, and basically states that viral interference is a thing. They found no harm with the influenza virus, but in the conclusion they state they found viral interference with coronavirus. I do not see how that conclusion was arrived at, given that is not mentioned in the results paragraph. However, ``coronavirus'' is a pretty large category, and given that the title of
[18:48:25] <halibut> the study suggests all data is from the 2017-2018 influenza season, it definitely does not mean SARS-Cov-2.
[18:49:29] <AzumaHazuki> yeah but...butbutbut MUH FREEDUMBZ!
[18:49:51] <Bytram> In that case, yes. In a well-lit passnger cabin. Now, consider, nightitme protests. Someone lobs a molotov coctail. Peacefull protest becomes violent. Whatever the other, peaceful, protesters may do -- the burned buildings are what gets reported and makes the protest non-peaceful.
[18:50:07] <halibut> Basically, the result I expected, but every now and then I figure it is good to dig into something that conflicts with the view I have been presented. It is not enough to do a quick search and find something that agrees with me. I want to dig deeper both into the data the conflicts with what I think as well as the data the agrees with it, and see which side presents the more convincing argument.
[18:50:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, nobody would have known left from right about their actions if they hadn't happened to get recorded.
[18:50:54] <halibut> chromas: Almond Joys are not to be trusted.
[18:51:14] <AzumaHazuki> ...where is THAT house?
[18:51:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> halibut, sometimes you feel like a JMH, sometimes you don't
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[18:52:19] <SoyCow1188> =submit https://www.wired.co.uk
[18:52:22] <systemd> Submitting "A powerful iPhone jailbreak also cracks Apple’s Mac security chip"...
[18:52:24] <chromas> halibut: you stop that digging and get back into the echo chamber, mister!
[18:52:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03A Powerful iPhone Jailbreak Also Cracks Apple’s Mac Security Chip" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[18:53:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, nuff yacking. nap time before it turns into bedtime.
[18:55:07] <halibut> ... back into the echo chamber ...
[18:55:10] <halibut> ... back into the echo chamber ...
[18:55:16] <halibut> ... back into the echo chamber ...
[18:55:45] <chromas> Good boy. Good boy
[18:55:55] <chromas> Now here, watch this tiktok video
[18:55:58] <chromas> Now here, watch this youtube video
[18:57:49] <halibut> Mmmmm ... tiktok ... youtube ...
[18:58:36] <chromas> YouTubers REACT to YouTube REACT videos
[18:59:10] <halibut> Still having trouble figuring out what the JMH is in TheMightyBuzzard's version of the Almond Joy/Mounds line.
[18:59:24] <chromas> The SN user
[18:59:27] <chromas> J Michael Hudson
[18:59:59] <AzumaHazuki> that guy still makes more sense than some of the supposed sane members of this community...
[19:01:58] <halibut> Ah. Thank you. Back to watching YouTube. Are these what you were saying I was supposed to watch? https://www.youtube.com
[19:01:59] <systemd> ^ 03What is an Echo Chamber?
[19:02:41] <chromas> Is that a Vsauce video?
[19:02:58] <chromas> aw
[19:04:06] <halibut> Nuts. I was hoping for a link to an actual echo chamber, studying actual echos, not the more metaphorical sense. Whoops.
[19:04:22] <halibut> My attempt at being overly literal backfired.
[19:06:16] <chromas> Everything's literally metaphorical now; that's why we always say "literally"
[19:07:03] <AzumaHazuki> well, metaphorically speaking anyway
[19:09:49] <halibut> My attempts to quickly find a videos about actual echoes resulted in finding a lot of videos on echo chambers (echoing viewpoints, not sounds), how to reduce echo when recording YouTube videos, and information about the Amazon Echo. Hard to find something about the science of echoes.
[19:10:15] <chromas> Plenty of videos about anechoic chambers though
[19:10:36] <AzumaHazuki> just go to a mountain and yell "baka yarou!" and see if you get "nan da to kon'yarou?!" back
[19:14:46] <chromas> Instructions unclear. Dick stuck in alpenhorn
[19:20:46] <Runaway1956> I thought JMH was "just my hands"
[19:22:28] <chromas> What? Jacked up and good to go?
[19:22:59] <Runaway1956> Well, he said "naptime" didn't he?
[19:23:32] <Runaway1956> The adventures of the perverse TheMightyBuzzard
[19:24:12] <Runaway1956> not to be confused with the perversions of chromas
[19:25:18] * Runaway1956 thinks about molesting his own pillow
[19:26:24] <Ingar> klingon-style
[19:44:26] <AzumaHazuki> ah, that little coffee grinder should be here tuesday :) just got the notification
[19:44:46] <AzumaHazuki> coffee, scarf, thermal PJs, and headphones make for a happy, toasty Marissa
[19:57:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Aged Care Isn't Working, but We Can Create Neighborhoods to Support Healthy Ageing in Place - https://sylnt.us - growing-old-is-a-pain
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[22:17:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cyberlaw Clinic and EFF Publish Guide to Legal Risks of Security Research - https://sylnt.us
[22:17:06] <SoyCow1188> =asub https://www.engadget.com
[22:17:08] <systemd> Submitting "Modified drones help scientists better predict volcanic eruptions"...
[22:17:30] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Modified Drones Help Scientists Better Predict Volcanic Eruptions" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[23:43:58] <RandomFactor> =submit https://knowridge.com
[23:43:59] <systemd> Submitting "This study shows how to detect pancreatic cancer at treatable stages"...
[23:44:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03This Study Shows How to Detect Pancreatic Cancer at Treatable Stages" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:47:19] <FatPhil> Ahhh, and today's happy news is that one of my ex-workmates has been detained in Minsk after the demonstrations there. I know quite a few Belarusians, it's really quite worrying.