#soylent | Logs for 2020-10-26

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[00:00:55] <nutherguy_> Slighlty broader in the chest, maybe the legs are slightly heavier in proportion
[00:32:28] <RandomFactor> Yep, a sturdier German Shepherd without the physical issues that plague them.
[00:32:46] <RandomFactor> Definitely not a beginner dog though.
[00:34:12] <RandomFactor> Jumps higher than my head going for the Frisbee.
[00:34:16] <Bytram> s/CAT/DOG/
[00:34:16] <SedBot> <Bytram> RandomFactor: A deer... *chasing* a DOG? OMG! ROFL!
[00:34:46] * Bytram misread before-hand part
[00:35:52] <Bytram> Impressive leaping/climbing skills. And walking along two parallel ropes? Amazing!
[00:36:05] <RandomFactor> Yeah, mine can't do the rope thing
[00:44:53] <Bytram> RandomFactor: Wall climbing?
[00:53:24] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[00:53:25] <systemd> Submitting "Trump aide says 'we're not going to control the pandemic'"...( 1 modified urls; https://apnews.com )
[00:53:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Trump Aide Says 'We're Not Going to Control the Pandemic'" (27 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:54:30] <c0lo> The buck doesn't seem to stop anywhere. After destroying CDC
[00:57:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Boston Dynamics' Dog-Like Robot Spotted in Chernobyl - https://sylnt.us - ruff-work
[00:57:51] <c0lo> https://www.trumpcovidplan.com
[00:57:51] <systemd> ^ 03Donald Trump’s COVID-19 plan
[01:03:43] <nutherguy_> c0lo doesn't understand: There is no buck.
[01:03:55] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[01:03:56] <nutherguy_> watch the Matrix again
[01:03:56] <systemd> Submitting "FBI investigating fire set in Boston ballot drop box"...
[01:04:18] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03FBI Investigating Fire Set in Boston Ballot Drop Box" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:09:24] <c0lo> nutherguy_, no surprise remark, coming from an irresponsible person
[01:09:55] <AzumaHazuki> but one he has chosen to "make common cause with" despite hating him
[01:10:03] <AzumaHazuki> because he thinks the dems are even worse
[01:10:11] <AzumaHazuki> lie down with dogs, etc etc
[01:10:40] <nutherguy_> Your repertoire seems limited 'zumi
[01:10:57] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[01:10:59] <systemd> Submitting "Election could stoke US marijuana market, sway Congress"...
[01:11:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Election Could Stoke US Marijuana Market, Sway Congress" (30 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:11:38] <AzumaHazuki> a good chef only needs one knife :)
[01:11:42] <c0lo> nutherguy_, more deversified than your choice of websites
[01:11:52] <c0lo> s/dever/diver/
[01:11:52] <SedBot> <c0lo> nutherguy_, more diversified than your choice of websites
[01:12:21] <AzumaHazuki> besides, the truth has always been the truth. its edge never dulls
[01:12:49] <c0lo> AzumaHazuki, FYI, chefs don't use their knifes on shit.
[01:12:55] <nutherguy_> AP news is "diversified"? It's the prime source for dozens of news outlets
[01:13:13] <AzumaHazuki> it's a metaphor, jack :v
[01:13:32] <nutherguy_> like, metaphysics?
[01:13:44] <c0lo> Lemme use another metaphor, then: perls before swine.
[01:13:58] <c0lo> s/perls/pearls/
[01:13:58] <SedBot> <c0lo> Lemme use another metaphor, then: pearls before swine.
[01:14:06] <AzumaHazuki> heh...it's not for his benefit. he's long since sold his soul
[01:14:15] <nutherguy_> so you're another of those perl clutchers, lol
[01:14:35] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[01:14:35] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
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[01:14:48] * c0lo yawns
[01:14:48] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into c0lo's gaping mouth
[01:15:24] <requerdanos> My cable modem is moved to the new house and working *but* computer is not yet (waiting on computer furniture)
[01:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i cast perls before swine all the time. good thing i like swine, i guess.
[01:15:46] <requerdanos> this has led me to the observation that the wifi dongle for my laptop Sucks A Lot(sm).
[01:16:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, near as i can tell, all wifi dongles suck ass
[01:16:10] <AzumaHazuki> uhhh huhuhuh...he said dongle
[01:16:11] <requerdanos> See, casting pearls no matter your clientele is part of being the change you want to see in the world.
[01:16:35] * AzumaHazuki remembers a good zd1211 one she had once though. worked fine aside from, at the time, needing an external driver
[01:16:52] <requerdanos> I use linux-libre which kind of limits my choices
[01:17:26] <requerdanos> swine taste good prepared many different ways. Bacon-fried, for example.
[01:17:27] <nutherguy_> In 'Murica, Windows uses you!
[01:17:53] <requerdanos> Yeah, I haven't used Windows in a while, long enough that I can't really even complain about it cause I probably wouldn't recognize it
[01:18:14] <requerdanos> Its users seem to like it, or at least when they complain about it they do so good-naturedly
[01:18:52] <nutherguy_> They are often into S&M, so they like it well enough
[01:19:05] <requerdanos> that explains some things I had been wondering about, yeah
[01:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> i haven't found a usb wifi fob yet that linux won't burn up inside a week
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[01:20:14] <requerdanos> I can only use atheros chipset devices as I understand it (only ones with free firmware for the driver)
[01:20:44] <CCP_IDF> Ya know what the Jews and Chinks have in common? They play the long game.
[01:21:02] <requerdanos> this one, a netgear, overheats. I remove it, let it cool, works fine again.
[01:21:11] <nutherguy_> CCP_IDF is jealous of their long dongs?
[01:21:20] <CCP_IDF> In the case of the Jews, 50 plus years. In the case of the Chinks, aroun thirty.
[01:21:29] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[01:21:30] <systemd> Submitting "Singapore temporarily halts use of two flu vaccines after South Korea deaths"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[01:21:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> requerdanos, yup. it'll progressively get worse though.
[01:21:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Singapore Temporarily Halts Use of Two Flu Vaccines After South Korea Deaths" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:21:52] <requerdanos> Hi, we were just talking about you. A greeting of the finest pearls to you.
[01:22:03] <AzumaHazuki> heh heh
[01:22:14] <requerdanos> well, the movers come tuesday and move the computer desk, computer, and ethernet cables, and I will go back to not caring much
[01:23:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. i'm just going to be absent for a few days to a week. not worth finding out which if any of my laptops still work.
[01:23:10] <requerdanos> plus, I am paying for the good insurance, so if they break my computer, I get a new one.
[01:23:56] <requerdanos> This is the first laptop I tried, works GREAT albeit intermittently, plus has ancient one version back of Trisquel loaded on it
[01:24:20] <CCP_IDF> Are you two discussing the impending chimpouts?
[01:24:42] <requerdanos> I am not sure what you mean by the impending chimpouts. Maybe so, maybe not.
[01:24:47] <nutherguy_> chimpouts? Are they imminent?
[01:25:21] <CCP_IDF> Yes no why so niggaz be triflin and dey just dont know
[01:25:30] <c0lo> https://www.reuters.com
[01:25:30] <systemd> ^ 03Jared and Ivanka threaten lawsuit over Times Square billboards
[01:25:52] <requerdanos> so there are people who are (word not understood) and are simply not knowing?>
[01:26:19] <c0lo> “While we truly enjoy living rent free in their heads, their empty threats will not be taken any more seriously than we take Jared and Ivanka,” the [Lincoln] group said.
[01:27:01] <c0lo> (you go after the kids, we go after the kids)
[01:27:07] <requerdanos> Maybe the two trumpers in question should research Barbara Streisand and her eponymous effect.
[01:27:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> EF, he's in the process of moving and i'm going to be before year end
[01:27:09] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: FYI, I am *slowly* getting this Ubuntu Mate lappy in shape to replace my defunct windows install... HexChat is up and running solid. Thunderbird is kinda working as of today. ...
[01:27:41] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[01:27:43] <systemd> Submitting "China reports 20 new confirmed, 161 asymptomatic COVID-19 cases"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[01:27:43] <Bytram> But, I do not, yes, have TTY access to our servers working yet.
[01:27:50] <Bytram> s/es/et/
[01:27:50] <SedBot> <Bytram> But, I do not, yet, have TTY access to our servers working yet.
[01:28:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03China Reports 20 New Confirmed, 161 Asymptomatic COVID-19 Cases" (6 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:28:22] <Bytram> !grab TheMightyBuzzard
[01:28:22] <Bender> Added quote 993
[01:28:38] <requerdanos> !quote 993
[01:28:38] <Bender> Quote 993 - <TheMightyBuzzard> EF, he's in the process of moving and i'm going to be before year end
[01:28:41] <CCP_IDF> Sweet, where yall movin to? For the sake of privacy I'm asking for only the most generic description
[01:28:42] <requerdanos> very odd quote
[01:28:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> really? alls you need is id_rsa in your ~/.ssh/ folder
[01:28:53] <requerdanos> I am moving to the beach (North Carolina)
[01:29:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, you had putty. different priv/pub keys
[01:29:14] <Bytram> zactly
[01:29:20] <CCP_IDF> If you are down with the Hitler i can point you to "my homies"
[01:29:40] <c0lo> https://www.reuters.com
[01:29:40] <requerdanos> The only Hitler I know of died in the 1940s
[01:29:41] <systemd> ^ 03Trump asks Supreme Court to block deadline extension for North Carolina ballot
[01:29:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> just make a new one and email me the pub key. it's easy to put it in.
[01:30:40] <CCP_IDF> Ah, i guess i am too racist to be privvy. Well, that's fine.
[01:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> only thing i remember about NORTH carolina is i once saw a black panther (the four legged kind) walking down the i40 shoulder.
[01:31:03] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[01:31:05] <systemd> Submitting "Putin rejects Donald Trump's criticism of Biden family business"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[01:31:06] <requerdanos> I am not hiding information, just don't know what "the hitler" is vs. "The late Mr. Hitler"
[01:31:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can be a privy if you want.
[01:31:24] <Bytram> you do realize, I hope, that SoylentNews was barely 2 months old when I was handheld through setting up putty and have no recollection of how I got it set up way-back-when.
[01:31:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Putin Rejects Donald Trump's Criticism of Biden Family Business" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:31:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #g linux creating ssh keys
[01:31:53] <MrPlow> https://confluence.atlassian.com - "Jun 18, 2019 ... Creating an SSH key on Linux & macOS. 1. Check for existing SSH keys. You should check for existing SSH keys on your local computer."
[01:32:17] <c0lo> "Putin appeared less friendly towards Trump in remarks broadcast by Russian state TV on Sunday."
[01:32:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> email me the resulting ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
[01:32:57] <CCP_IDF> All this tech-talk is making my head spin!
[01:33:17] <requerdanos> maybe your catastrophic converter needs more blinker fluid?
[01:33:36] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I am totally knackered atm. Also, I'm struggling to remember some of my email passwords. I may have to PM it to you. Can it please wait until tomorrow?
[01:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure, that's a whenever thing. i wasn't gonna do it tonight anyway.
[01:34:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you got the link now
[01:34:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> CCP_IDF, i think that might be the vodka
[01:34:29] <requerdanos> right in your HexChat - er, I mean hexchat - logs.
[01:34:48] <c0lo> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[01:34:50] <systemd> Submitting "Pennsylvania cannot reject mail-in ballots due to signature discrepancy: state court"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[01:34:53] <Bytram> k. Just don't things to go *boom* when you are away and my not having a way to get to the servers.
[01:35:12] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pennsylvania Cannot Reject Mail-in Ballots Due to Signature Discrepancy: State Court" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:35:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh that's a ways out. still haven't got the sheetrock guy in yet.
[01:36:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I thought you said you were going to be out for a few days or a week? When are you heading out?
[01:36:48] * Bytram is a bit confused
[01:36:49] <requerdanos> So far since moving in on Thursday I have had one sewer connection emergency and one plumbing emergency. So far being a homeowner is exciting.
[01:36:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> when it's time to move
[01:37:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk
[01:37:13] <Bytram> Oh, okay. thought we were talking about two diffrent events
[01:37:40] <Bytram> like you were soon taking a trip or something.
[01:37:44] <Bytram> got it now.
[01:38:12] <Bytram> and, with that, I'm also going to get some sleep. Have a great night everybody!
[01:38:19] <requerdanos> rest well. peace.
[01:38:25] <CCP_IDF> Man, am i glad i don't own a home. I font have to take
[01:38:50] <CCP_IDF> Owning a home must suck.
[01:39:42] <requerdanos> I do not use the word "exciting" to mean "a good thing"
[01:40:09] <CCP_IDF> You can have globalist jews invent a mass crisis that drops your property values like a rock
[01:40:53] <requerdanos> nah, I sleep pretty well despite the mass conspiracy property value drop risk
[01:41:21] <CCP_IDF> Then they can send antifa and blm over there to burn your house down until you sell for half what its worth
[01:41:47] <requerdanos> Whatever you sell it for, that's what it was worth, essentially
[01:42:25] <CCP_IDF> If you sell to the jews then everywhere can be brooklyn and jersey
[01:44:19] <requerdanos> seems like the house would have to be both sold and moved to be in NY or NJ
[01:45:29] <CCP_IDF> Selling prices are only representative when there's no civil unrest or otherwise jew pets threatening to burn errything down.
[01:45:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> EF, dropping property values only matters if you want to move. i'm moving into a remodeled church with two floors of ~2400 square feet each and a future decked attic of about 2k square feet.
[01:46:11] <CCP_IDF> Also, hopefully a lot of chinks and pajeets whonhad their expectations cut short will also be bailing, affecting prices
[01:46:59] <requerdanos> As I understood the hypothetical conspiracy theory, it was a confluence of BOTH a (something) making property values go down and a (something else) making one want to move.
[01:47:28] <CCP_IDF> Nice buzzard. Wasnt referring to you, just doing my usual anti-chink and anti-jew trolling with some anti-pajeet to garnish
[01:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> going to have a tinkering hall right at the start and an entire tinkering floor after we get the upstairs done. and a library with vaulted ceiling (~28' high) of about 300 square feet.
[01:47:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't like little yellow n blue songbirds?
[01:48:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, not parakeet
[01:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, i could see not liking them. the drumsticks aren't worth having.
[01:48:40] <requerdanos> what fine group does "pajeet" disparage?
[01:48:46] <CCP_IDF> Dont know what it's like over there. Do know what its like over here.
[01:49:35] <nutherguy_> I think pajeets are Pakis
[01:50:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, the town's about 45% black, 50% white, 5% other. all the lawns are mowed and kept clean. all the neighbors are nosy as hell if you don't live in the neighborhood, which works out really nice if you have jackass kids wandering through breaking things or stealing, as kids are wont to do.
[01:51:53] <nutherguy_> Nahhhh, a quick search says that pajeets are Indians - pajeet is or at least was a common name in India
[01:51:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> otherwise, just good southern folk all around. black, white, whatever, if you're a neighbor you come right after family. if you're a complete stranger you still get a glass of tea, coffee, or beer offered to you if you ring the doorbell.
[01:52:22] <CCP_IDF> Dont let the carpetbaggers shit your hood up
[01:52:55] <CCP_IDF> Blacks are cool and the mexicans who keep their mouths shut are tolerable
[01:52:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries, they're askeert. they think we're all like their cities, segregated and hating each other.
[01:53:26] <CCP_IDF> But loud Mexicans should be given incentive to move somewhere els e
[01:53:52] <nutherguy_> Mexicans are just like anyone else - a thump on the head quiets them down
[01:53:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind ya, this is the town everyone who don't wanna get killed to death by the crazy shit down in jackson moves out to.
[01:54:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> everyone's here cause they DO NOT WANT all the bullshit n drama n crime, and they put effort into keeping it out.
[01:55:18] <nutherguy_> Does that mean something like "eternal vigilance"?
[01:55:28] <CCP_IDF> Nice, wish we had more of that here, besides rancho cucamonga
[01:56:01] <nutherguy_> you spelled that wrong - coocoomonga
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[01:56:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt kokomo beach boys
[01:56:16] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- The Beach Boys - Kokomo (LYRICS)
[01:56:17] <nutherguy_> nice to see you go EF
[01:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, he was almost civil tonight
[01:56:46] <nutherguy_> true
[01:58:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, i did neglect to mention the silly little petty feuds. like the one i got going with the nice lady across the street's son.
[01:59:09] <requerdanos> guess so.
[01:59:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> cocksucker has been told by me, the roomie, and everyone who has half a clue that we're moving in that church ourselves but he keeps going around telling anyone who'll listen that we're making low-rent apartments out of it. including the fucking code inspector.
[02:00:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> it ain't a pleasant experience having an inspector show up looking at you like you're something he wants to scrape off his boot. thankfully we got that shit cleared up with him at least.
[02:00:55] <nutherguy_> You got inspectors?
[02:01:13] <requerdanos> tell him the nice gentleman in question doesn't need his head for brains, not having any, and is going to be renting out said space as low rent apartments?
[02:01:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> building code. had to pull permits.
[02:01:19] <nutherguy_> We don't - just an appraiser who hasn't looked at the property in 20 years
[02:02:04] <nutherguy_> no building code here either - if I want to build a house out of rough cut, it'll be done in no time, no permits, no nothing
[02:02:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> lectric guy is separate and state, he don't give a fuck as long as we do the paperwork right.
[02:02:34] <requerdanos> an apathetic electric inspector sounds like a recipe for sparky disaster
[02:02:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> wouldn't have any outside of town but we're barely in town.
[02:02:48] <nutherguy_> of course, you know the life expectancy of rough cut lumber
[02:03:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, he's cool. he just don't care about anything but the lectric stuffs being up to snuff.
[02:03:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> and arc fault breakers, cause he's legally required to.
[02:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> he wasn't legally required to say that a whole lot of folks tend to replace them with regular breakers after he's done inspecting though. like i said, cool guy.
[02:05:25] <requerdanos> make sense.
[02:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> arc fault breakers are one of them things that sounds like a fantastic idea to bureaucrats but makes everyone else want to choke them on account of light switches being arc-creating devices.
[02:05:43] <requerdanos> please mentally insert the letter "s" after the "e" in make
[02:06:06] <RandomFactor> Bytram: he's got the jump for it, but he's not trained like that. He knows f.r.i.s.b.e.e and I think he's learning to spell also
[02:06:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i swear, whoever wrote it into the national electric code had a brother in law with a piece of the patent on them fuckers
[02:07:36] <requerdanos> that's more of the "excitement" right there, having the breakers trip over false alarms
[02:07:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i may start up a business renting them out long enough for folks to pass inspection
[02:07:55] <requerdanos> that is patently not a desirable feature of a circuit breaker
[02:09:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, otherwise i'm going to have hundreds of dollars of useless breakers sitting in a box in the attic. might as well make enough back to cover their cost.
[02:11:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should have enough to cover two normal houses at the same time. we have a huge panel and a damned lot of circuits.
[02:14:00] <requerdanos> Well, with 6800 square feet...
[02:15:39] <RandomFactor> lightning strikes provide voltage and current profiles that resemble arc faults, and vacuum cleaners and some laser printers trip AFCIs. This nuisance tripping reduces the overall effectiveness of AFCIs. Research into advancements in this area is being pursued.[9]
[02:15:39] <RandomFactor> AFCIs are also known to be sensitive (false tripping) to the presence of radio frequency energy, especially within the so-called high frequency spectrum (3-30 MHz) which include legitimate Citizens Band and Amateur Radio operations. Sensitivities and mitigation have been known since 2013.[10]
[02:16:10] <RandomFactor> They sound special.
[02:16:36] <RandomFactor> Also break power line networking.
[02:18:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, they're the suck
[02:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> i apologize in advance for this
[02:19:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> hands
[02:19:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> touching hands
[02:19:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> reaching out
[02:19:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> touching me
[02:19:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> touching you
[02:20:10] <RandomFactor> I really don't want Neil playing in my head all evening
[02:22:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't even like neil but everyone over a certain age can't hear the words "sweet caroline" without mentally adding "bum-bah-bum".
[02:23:56] <RandomFactor> I think i remember him putting out some we're all in this dogether psa or something around covid early on
[02:24:32] <RandomFactor> ohhhh, "Hands.. washing hands"
[02:25:51] <requerdanos> they break powerline networking?
[02:26:14] <RandomFactor> According to the font of all knowledge - Wikipedia
[02:26:30] <requerdanos> Cause I just ordered some powerline networking boxes. We'll see I guess.
[02:35:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> get normal breakers. the inspection fairy ain't gonna come and take your birthday away if you put them in after it's been signed off on.
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[03:06:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> =notes
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[03:06:27] <requerdanos> I can only see four of those
[03:07:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russian Scientists Discover 5,000-Year-Old Skull of Failed Brain Surgery Patient in Crimea - https://sylnt.us - sans-anesthesia
[03:07:27] <requerdanos> failed because the patient is dead, right?
[03:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> at 5k years old, it'd better be or it's time for crosses, holy water, and wooden stakes.
[03:23:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> ♫ SWEEEEEET CARE-O-LINE, BUM-BAH-DUM ♫
[03:30:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, we're almost out of traveling wilburys
[03:38:33] <c0lo> =submit https://www.seattletimes.com
[03:38:35] <systemd> Submitting "Access Denied"...
[03:38:59] <systemd> c0lo, 04submit failed: rehash successfully returned a yuge subid (192019990), which usually means the sub is a dupe.
[03:40:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> possible? extremely likely, i'd say
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[03:41:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'like the OU/UT game. doesn't matter who wins, they're gonna go out and burn Dallas down after the game lets out.
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[04:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://hackaday.com
[04:11:52] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:12:17] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[04:16:13] <nutherguy_> LOL blob:https://www.9news.com.au/8d02357c-c01a-420c-a6ea-775569a98840
[04:16:14] <systemd> ^ 039News - Latest news and headlines from Australia and the world
[04:16:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://hackaday.com Ten percent, hell. All the riggings I've lost would make up ten percent by themselves.
[04:16:42] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:16:49] <Cascade> 404
[04:17:07] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[04:18:42] <Cascade> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[04:22:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[04:22:13] <systemd> ^ 03To Improve Next Debate Both Candidates' Mics Will Be Muted The Entire Time
[04:23:07] <Cascade> Finally!
[04:24:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> debates should always be held via shadow puppets
[04:25:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> last one, i need sleeps. https://babylonbee.com
[04:25:49] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter Censors R2-D2 For Sharing Hacked Death Star Plans
[05:16:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How to Clean Up Your Digital History - https://sylnt.us - good-idea
[07:28:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook May Face Federal, State Antitrust Charges as Soon as November - https://sylnt.us - the-bigger-they-are...
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[09:22:51] <c0lo> =submit https://www.pcgamer.com
[09:22:54] <systemd> Submitting "Deleting or deactivating your Facebook does the same to your Oculus account"...
[09:23:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Deleting or Deactivating Your Facebook Does the Same to Your Oculus Account" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[09:30:31] <c0lo> =submit https://www.forbes.com (because it passes in clear through FB servers and readsyour clipboard)
[09:30:33] <systemd> Submitting "Why You Should Stop Using Your Facebook Messenger App"...
[09:30:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Why You Should Stop Using Your Facebook Messenger App" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:34:29] <c0lo> =submit after pregancy tests, Doom runs now in Minecraft... sortof... https://au.pcmag.com
[09:34:30] <systemd> Submitting "'Minecraft' Meets 'Doom' in 'Doomed: Demons of the Nether'"...
[09:34:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'Minecraft' Meets 'Doom' in 'Doomed: Demons of the Nether'" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:37:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Crews Vacuum 'Murder Hornets' Out of Washington Nest - https://sylnt.us - catch-the-buzz!
[09:41:19] <c0lo> =submit https://scitechdaily.com
[09:41:28] <systemd> Submitting "First Habitable-Zone, Earth-Sized Exoplanet Discovered With Planet-Hunter TESS"...
[09:41:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03First Habitable-Zone, Earth-Sized Exoplanet Discovered With Planet-Hunter TESS" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:44:10] <c0lo> =submit https://www.ibtimes.com
[09:44:12] <systemd> Submitting "Ultra White Paint Cools Building Without Air Conditioning, Sends Heat Into Deep Space [Video]"...
[09:44:34] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Ultra White Paint Cools Building Without Air Conditioning, Sends Heat Into Deep Space [Video]" (22 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[09:46:02] <boru> I...don't think these people realise how thermodynamics works.
[09:46:12] <boru> That is one of the worst written articles I've read in a while.
[09:46:22] <boru> "The paint works by sending heat away from Earth into deep space where it can circulate indefinitely at the speed of light."
[09:46:36] <boru> I think someone wants to be a scifi author.
[09:46:52] <boru> And has zero understanding of physics.
[09:58:24] <FatPhil> not read it, but I can put together a mechanism by which it would work.
[09:59:14] <FatPhil> Something with that same superficial description has worked for thousands of years, in Persia, I think.
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[10:03:07] <FatPhil> Im pretty sure someone was pumping this white paint solution about a year ago, not sure if it was the same group.
[10:04:04] <boru> I don't think they understand how the greenhouse effect works, though.
[10:04:12] <FatPhil> but yeah, "into deep space where it can circulate indefinitely at the speed of light" is *PURE* cringe to someone scientifically literate
[10:04:26] <FatPhil> Ah, no, that's the thing - they're specifically taking that into account
[10:04:38] <FatPhil> (if it's the same as last years, and 2500 years ago's)
[10:05:05] <FatPhil> deliberately punching through the atmosphere at wavelengths where there's high transmission.
[10:07:42] <boru> Stop trolling.
[10:07:48] <FatPhil> the youtube shows a different demo than last year's, but it's so damn similar it's definitely the same principle.
[10:08:15] <FatPhil> I'm not trolling - the technique has been unknowningly used for several thousand years.
[10:08:43] <boru> Furthermore, upper atmospheric heating is catastrophic. We have spheres and pauses for a reason.
[10:09:23] <boru> Even if you were able to alter the frequency of the energy with magic paint for amospheric penetration, it will do more harm than good.
[10:09:30] <FatPhil> OK, not last year, 3 years ago: https://physicsworld.com
[10:09:32] <systemd> ^ 03Keeping buildings cool by sending heat into outer space – Physics World
[10:09:32] <boru> The USSR and the USA were doing experiments with it in the 50s and 60s.
[10:10:35] <boru> I'll say it for the record: 1) I don't think it will work and 2) if it does, it will do more harm than good.
[10:11:01] <FatPhil> Those are two orthogonal issues.
[10:11:06] <boru> Long story short, I think it is a stupid feel good idea, like most environmental engineering. It doesn't tackle the underlying problems.
[10:11:52] <FatPhil> I agree with you on that part. But radiative cooling and using deep space as a heat sink is definitely a thing.
[10:12:01] <boru> It certainly is. In space.
[10:14:35] <FatPhil> Looks like it's a story that comes round every 3 years, here's a 2014: https://www.extremetech.com
[10:14:36] <systemd> ^ 03Stanford uses the ultimate heat exchanger - outer space - for free, unlimited cooling - ExtremeTech
[10:15:11] <boru> Guaranteed funding/paper. It's like that Indian guy who spams panspermia theory studies every few years.
[10:17:24] <FatPhil> Ah, no, I was right, I was remembering something from last year - I recognise this photo: https://www.nature.com
[10:17:25] <systemd> ^ 03The super-cool materials that send heat to space
[10:20:47] <FatPhil> that's quite a good summary of a range of research, and has all the references.
[10:24:05] <FatPhil> And here's v0.1: https://www.fieldstudyoftheworld.com
[10:24:07] <systemd> ^ 03The Persian ice house, or how to make ice in the desert
[11:39:59] <requerdanos> Space: The Final Refrigerator
[11:46:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Deezer Knows People are Pirating its Service but Says It Won't Stop Them - https://sylnt.us - interesting-take
[11:59:16] <c0lo> With the exception of an occasional solar flare or the explosion of a nearby supernova or a blackhole relativistic jet stream, yeah, the space is pretty cool at this age. In average at least.
[11:59:47] <requerdanos> And, as Douglas Adams observed, space is mind-bogglingly big.
[12:07:35] <c0lo> Bigger by the day, yes.
[12:53:16] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:53:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5386
[13:18:05] <Teckla> coffee++
[13:18:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5387
[13:23:03] <Teckla> boru: White roofs and/or siding *does* keeps houses/buildings cooler, though, doesn't it?
[13:27:26] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[13:27:28] <systemd> Submitting "Facebook takes its first small steps into the world of cloud gaming"...
[13:27:50] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Facebook Takes its First Small Steps Into the World of Cloud Gaming" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:31:51] <Teckla> boru: By reflecting, rather than absorbing, some of the light hitting it?
[13:39:54] <FatPhil> Teckla: yup, that's the gross effect, which ends up just reflecting the energy around the environment. This tech is aiming specifically to be better than both white and mirrors by selectively radiating more energy at particular wavelengths, ones that escape earth more easily.
[13:40:16] <FatPhil> they're fighting over just a few percent here.
[13:43:06] <Teckla> It might be worth it just to keep your personal dwelling cooler. Maybe save some money on cooling costs. Etc.
[13:43:37] <lld> how does this make investors feel? :)
[13:45:32] * Bytram has been wandering down a Thunderbird rabbit hole trying to find out where it stored my email passwords on Windows. So far I've found "in the profile" :(
[13:45:52] * Teckla fondly remembers using Thunderbird
[13:46:39] <Teckla> I stopped using it years ago, when Mozilla nuked it from orbit.
[13:47:40] <Bytram> It does all I need: allows access to my ~20 email accounts, simple UI, w/o lots of other "junk" unless I want to add calendaring, etc. (which I do not)
[13:49:03] <requerdanos> I confess to using gmail/google calendar. I know i shouldn't, but they work great and are convenient
[13:51:28] <Bytram> it does not help that the Windows box Thunderbird was on is now non-working, so I am working strictly from a backup of the system's hard disk. With janrinok's help, I got the profile copied over and access to historical (local copies of) emails... but it wants me to enter all of my passwords again -- which I have so securely saved that there are some I am unsuccessful in remembering/translating from my notes.
[13:53:41] <Bytram> It struck me that I had let TB store my passwords before, so I did not need to enter them every time I checked my mail on Windows, so they must me stored *someplace*... but *where*?
[13:58:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fleadom! Holland Releases 5,000 Fleas to Solve Knotweed Problem - https://sylnt.us - insert-obligatory-Simpson's-joke-here
[13:59:30] <Teckla> Bytram: No easy "extract my passwords" functionality, eh?
[14:01:57] <Bytram> not that I am awqare of... but "/join #qa" as janrinok is helping there atm
[14:13:02] <Teckla> I remember being quite bummed out when Mozilla decided to give Thunderbird the boot.
[14:13:43] <Teckla> Which prompted me to switch to Gmail's web-based interface, which I've been using ever since.
[14:15:25] <lld> I don't think it is possible to use web-based email with PGP support
[14:15:50] <Teckla> lld: You encrypted and/or sign your emails?
[14:15:54] <lld> yes
[14:16:01] <Teckla> How come?
[14:16:30] <lld> I always sign off on them
[14:16:43] <lld> especially if it is software development related
[14:17:24] <lld> for now I am stuck with thunderbird
[14:17:50] <lld> gmail is trying to obsolete POP3/SMTP
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[14:18:19] <lld> I don't think any other free email service gives you pop3/smtp
[14:18:33] <requerdanos> to be fair except for kludgy security stick-ons, pop3 and smtp have pretty well obseleted themselves other than being "the" standards
[14:19:40] <lld> as long as I can download my emails locally
[14:19:48] <lld> I don't want some cloud managing them
[14:22:39] <Teckla> lld: Interesting. I think you're the only person I know that does that these days.
[14:24:28] <Teckla> Honestly, at this point, I'm kind of expecting Mozilla to announce they're switching their rendering engine to Blink...
[14:25:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, they get rid of pop3/smtp i won't be using gmail anymore. i haven't used the web interface in i dunno how long.
[14:29:57] <Teckla> As strange as it may sound, even though I use Gmail but don't use pop3/smtp, I'd probably also drop Gmail if they stopped supporting pop3/smtp.
[14:30:10] <Teckla> I want the *option* to exist, even if I don't use it... am I crazy?
[14:30:51] <FatPhil> what's wrong with IMAP?
[14:31:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, overly complex for a mail transfer protocol. i can handle my organizing just fine locally.
[14:32:38] <Teckla> Google scares me more and more though. I feel like they could randomly disable my account at any time due to some kind of false positive violation of terms of service, and I'd just be screwed, with no recourse.
[14:34:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> most days i wish they would. aside from particularly good search results compared to DDG, i don't have need of anything they offer cept the youtubes
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[14:34:56] <lld> Teckla: Microsoft Live.com did that to me
[14:35:04] <Teckla> lld: Yikes! What did you do?
[14:35:15] <lld> just one day "Your account has been used for spam"
[14:35:25] <lld> applied for jobs using the email address :)
[14:35:45] <lld> of course, there is no "report issue" button anywhere on the website
[14:35:55] <Teckla> Good God, that sucks
[14:35:58] <lld> if you can't report issue, then there is no issue
[14:36:37] * TheMightyBuzzard still has a hotmail address
[14:36:47] <Teckla> Ha, me too
[14:37:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> handy for the xbox since they wanted a mickeysoft account
[14:37:34] <lld> I only have a Live.com account today for Visual Studio
[14:37:43] <lld> gotta compile those C# code
[14:37:48] * Teckla is just as skeptical of Microsoft as he is of Google
[14:38:12] <lld> by the will of God, Microsoft and Google can just take everything away
[14:38:12] <Teckla> Skeptical of Apple too... basically, skeptical of any/all megacorps
[14:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly i use my protonmail address or my SN address
[14:38:33] <lld> I want to use protonmail, but no local storage option
[14:39:00] <lld> you better not talk shit about Microsoft and Google, they can take everything away
[14:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://protonmail.com
[14:39:08] <systemd> ^ 03IMAP, SMTP, and POP3 setup - ProtonMail Support
[14:39:25] <lld> oh they put it out finally?
[14:39:39] <lld> last I heard you had to setup some funny proxy that only works on Windows
[14:39:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, kinda
[14:40:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, it wouldn't be all that difficult to make one yourself and run it on a local server
[14:40:20] <lld> so long as it listens over ::1
[14:40:45] <lld> I guess this bridge thing is proprietary, since I don't see a source package
[14:40:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:41:06] <lld> sad.
[14:41:28] <Teckla> Other than Thunderbird, any recommendations on "thick client" email programs? Preferably ones that aren't "second class citizens" these days...
[14:41:53] <lld> I do PGP, thunderbird is the only one supporting it
[14:42:02] <lld> >Thunderbird 78.3.X doesn’t allow adding self-signed SMTP certificates. This causes an error when sending messages via Bridge. To work around this issue, temporarily set the SSL field to None instead of STARTTLS when setting up your account on Thunderbird.
[14:42:14] <lld> I wonder why TLS matters if it really is just localhost bridging
[14:42:38] <Teckla> lld: What is TB's status these days? A "first class" Mozilla citizen/product?
[14:43:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://github.com
[14:43:40] <systemd> ^ 03emersion/hydroxide
[14:43:57] <lld> don't know, as long as it doesn't break PGP
[14:44:09] <lld> I switched to 78 recently, PGP support is now built in
[14:44:30] <lld> nice an free version
[14:44:41] <Teckla> Well, at least it's getting *some* love, then, which is great
[14:46:32] <lld> there's definitely a move to push everything cloud side
[14:46:48] <lld> it just means somebody else can deny you service
[14:47:11] <Teckla> :(
[14:48:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, not as long as you can run a linux/bsd box
[14:48:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> setting up your own domain name and mail server is a pain but only once.
[14:49:31] <lld> no even domain names can get stolen if you criticized the wrong people
[14:50:08] <lld> these few years definitely showed me how wrong I was about relying on 3rd parties
[14:50:16] <lld> especially "services"
[14:50:42] <lld> godaddy and cloudflare accidentally tipping their hand to show how powerful they are
[14:51:34] <lld> and the online vigilantes that support them in squashing dissidence
[14:51:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> get a .ru domain then. they DGAF
[14:51:46] <lld> yeah probably
[14:52:03] <lld> its what videogame pirates do apparently
[14:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> tpb still has its .org address, so they ain't that effective
[14:53:33] <lld> sure, pirateproxy, but nobody gives a shit about pirates
[14:54:33] <lld> the day I saw self righteous script kiddies joining in to DDOS and help censorship was the day I lost trust in online movements
[14:55:05] <lld> if you believe you are doing the right thing, you can justify anything
[14:56:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> online movements are silly for any cause that isn't intrinsically online. if it's about an offline thing, you're just sitting on your ass doing nothing.
[14:57:40] <lld> nah, they kiddies were organizing over twitter to DDOS some people bunkering down in a forum that they don't even visit
[14:57:47] <lld> all online
[14:58:08] <lld> just because they don't control the conversation
[14:58:48] <lld> can't ban people for talking shit on other non centralized platforms
[15:00:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's an easy fix though. set the A entry for the site to 127.0.0.1 and sit back n laugh as they dos themselves.
[15:00:39] <lld> nah, I don't do twitter, so I got nothing to stop them from doing shit
[15:01:10] <lld> they were wiling to download TOR and Zeronet to crush a web discussion forum
[15:01:21] <lld> that's pretty far for script kiddies
[15:02:16] <lld> Zeronet themselves aren't entirely innocent either, right after the main discussion site went down, a mass exodus now requires you to make an ID via clearnet
[15:02:23] <lld> so script kiddies followed
[15:04:11] <lld> cloudflare dropped their DDOS support, godaddy siezed their domain, twitter banned their official announcement account, all at the same time
[15:04:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, point the A record to 8.8.8.8 then for maximum lulz
[15:05:10] <lld> nah, even google dropped it from their DNS
[15:06:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that'd make anyone trying to participate in a DDOS attack google's dns server instead of the site they meant to
[15:06:48] <lld> well, I don't control the distribution of the DDOS script, so I can't do anything besides watch from the sidelines
[15:07:19] <lld> domain already got seized by godaddy, google returns no such domain on their DNS
[15:09:28] <Teckla> "if you believe you are doing the right thing, you can justify anything" -- religion in a nutshell
[15:09:56] <lld> Teckla: you know the commie saying about religion being the opiate of the people?
[15:10:03] * Teckla nods
[15:10:07] <lld> well, now they've moved on to crack and heroin
[15:10:14] <Teckla> Heh!
[15:10:17] <lld> not religion, but functions the same
[15:11:11] <lld> my views on the evils in the world: everyone wants to be the hero in their own story, and motivated by self righteousness
[15:11:27] <lld> they will do anything
[15:11:44] <lld> so long as you frame their motivators right
[15:12:29] <lld> the closest thing to software is finding a buffer overrun and taking control of their moral frameworks
[15:12:50] <lld> they will do all these with righteousness
[15:42:29] <FatPhil> not just "the people", but it's even more snarky than that - "the masses".
[15:43:39] <lld> now it just needs to be aggressively singular
[15:45:48] <FatPhil> It's funny seeing Marx use class-based microaggressions in his word choice (of course, he did it in German, not English, but he was clearly staring down his nose at the commoners)
[15:46:45] <lld> problem with marx is that he fails to see not all commodity are the same
[15:46:56] <lld> some materials have more use than others
[15:46:59] <RandomFactor> 15 minutes until they presumably tell us they spotted some water vapor or ice on the moon.
[15:47:04] <lld> therefore will be more valuable
[15:47:37] <lld> so no, labor does not in anyway affect the cost, you're just wasting your time if you work on something that isn't needed
[15:49:28] <RandomFactor> https://www.youtube.com
[15:49:29] <systemd> ^ 03NASA Live: New Science Results from NASA’s SOFIA (Oct. 26, 2020)
[15:51:36] <FatPhil> I view Marx to be on a par with Freud. Great at looking at things and writing down what he saw, than then coming up with completely bizarre or even dangerous conclusions therefrom.
[15:54:27] <FatPhil> His economic theorising failed catastrophically as he was preparing to write Capital. From his early notes, you can see he had nearly worked out how things like mechanisation change the values of various things, and then he just threw that all away and went full retard.
[15:54:48] <Teckla> FatPhil: Your Marx/Freud analogy is right on
[15:54:57] <lld> he never even worked or managed a business
[15:56:37] <FatPhil> my mum had to study both Marx and Freud for her mixed humanities degree way back, so I acted as a bit of a study partner for her.
[15:57:10] <lld> hah, your mum didn't try to push it on you?
[15:57:59] <FatPhil> There's nothing to be frightened of from just words on a page.
[15:58:17] <FatPhil> Also - know your enemy.
[15:58:41] <lld> heh if only everyone was so chill about disagreements
[15:58:53] <FatPhil> I've read way more religious texts since I became an atheist for similar reasons.
[15:59:10] <RandomFactor> The pen is mightiest when it is writing orders for more swords.
[15:59:19] <FatPhil> RandomFactor++
[15:59:19] <Bender> karma - randomfactor: 30
[15:59:41] <FatPhil> what's the origin of that, it's great!
[16:00:02] <lld> RandomFactor: if only your supply lines work
[16:00:12] <RandomFactor> It's one of the 70 maxims of maximally effective mercenaries - https://schlockmercenary.fandom.com
[16:00:13] <systemd> ^ 03The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries
[16:00:48] <FatPhil> Ah, right. That's a classic, it needs to be propagated more. Thanks!
[16:01:32] <lld> nice book
[16:03:04] <RandomFactor> The announcement "Water has been confirmed to be present on a sunlit surface of the Moon"
[16:03:19] <RandomFactor> In the past it was thought to be only present in shadowed craters
[16:04:36] * Teckla was raised a Catholic, but it didn't "take" ;)
[16:05:22] <lld> oh no catholic factions
[16:05:45] <Teckla> I didn't come away unscathed. Still feel guilty all the time. ;)
[16:07:00] * lld shoves Teckla into SSPV
[16:07:31] <Teckla> Had to look that one up
[16:07:44] <lld> old catholics
[16:07:56] <lld> they see the papacy as vacant
[16:08:05] <Teckla> Interesting
[16:08:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Launches 60 More Starlink Internet Satellites from Cape Canaveral - https://sylnt.us - the-inconceivable-has-become-commonplace
[16:08:15] <Teckla> Although I'm not a GODLESS HEATHEN like FatPhil ;)
[16:08:23] <FatPhil> Avignon or bust, motherfucker
[16:08:26] <Teckla> More like a confused apathetic
[16:08:47] <lld> as I see it, most people need faith and won't work correctly without one
[16:08:55] <lld> despite convincing themselves otherwise
[16:09:05] <lld> they'll just make a new personal faith out of something else
[16:09:06] <FatPhil> I hate to be pedantic but, technically, heathens are generally not godless.
[16:09:24] <FatPhil> ^ statement of not-complete-truthiness
[16:09:53] <lld> heathens have a faith
[16:09:59] <lld> just not your faith
[16:10:29] <lld> you can still be a godless heathen by worshiping idols
[16:11:14] <Teckla> FatPhil: Insightful :)
[16:13:10] <Teckla> I have plenty of religious friends though, they are all nice peeps
[16:13:16] <Teckla> Confused/brainwashed, but nice
[16:14:31] <FatPhil> I live in pretty much the most atheistic country in the world.
[16:16:23] <FatPhil> I can't even think of one person I presently know who has any faith at all, apart from one guy who has some woo-woo that is hard to describe as anything apart from schizophrenia.
[16:17:41] <Teckla> Here in the U.S., I have a crazy and random mix of religious friends, atheist friends, and "none of the above" friends
[16:17:59] <Teckla> I guess many of them call themselves agnostic, but they're using a somewhat inaccurate definition of the word
[16:18:05] <Teckla> Certainly not the original definition
[16:18:09] <lld> here in Seasia, you'd keep that atheism to yourself
[16:18:13] <lld> :)
[16:18:32] <Teckla> lld: What country do you live in?
[16:18:52] <lld> I'll leave it at SEAsia
[16:19:03] <lld> very multicultural
[16:19:13] <lld> and very mutually... antagonistic
[16:19:29] <lld> multicultural PR is for tourist consumption
[16:20:04] <Teckla> Fair enough
[16:22:53] <FatPhil> Sounds like Singapore
[16:23:07] <lld> close enough, I've only been there once
[16:23:21] <lld> Singapore despite the dictatorship knows what it is doing
[16:29:07] <FatPhil> I think Singapore had the anti-chewing-gum laws, and on-the-spot littering fines, and things. Living as I do in the middle of a picturesque tourist hotspot, I'd love to see those laws here!
[16:29:39] <Cascade> Instant death by robot.
[16:29:42] <lld> just don't test it out yourself :)
[16:30:33] <FatPhil> Boston Dynamics (or whatever it's called now) Spot, with a megawatt laser. Yup, that would work.
[16:31:36] <FatPhil> Though to be honest they need to soup Spot up a bit - it only does about 4km/h. When it can trot at 20-30+ to excape from the baseball-bat brigade, then it will be useful.
[16:32:40] <Cascade> "excape". Now you are trolling
[16:33:42] <FatPhil> nah, just shitty kbd, and too lazy to correct
[16:33:54] <FatPhil> havbe you not noticed that those keys are next to each other?
[16:34:00] <FatPhil> and those two
[16:34:15] <Cascade> Fake newx
[16:34:37] <FatPhil> If you ever catch me typing expresso, however, then I'm definitely trolling
[16:35:11] <Cascade> Reading the xcrollback re white paint. Since there's Vantablack, is there also Vannawhite?
[16:36:12] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[16:36:13] <systemd> ^ 03That Mitchell and Webb Look - Grammar Nazi (Series 4 - Episode 1)
[16:36:15] <RandomFactor> MIT came up with a carbon nanotube based black that is 10x darker than Vantablack.
[16:38:16] <Cascade> So if Vantablack reflects n photons, the carbon nanotubes reflect -10n.
[16:38:31] <Cascade> That's pretty awesome.
[16:41:03] <RandomFactor> Nanotubes. Is there anything they can't do?
[16:42:07] <lld> fix humanity
[16:42:08] <lld> :)
[16:42:33] <lld> well, fix the energy crisis for something more attainable
[16:44:07] <Teckla> lld: I think it is hopeless
[16:44:28] <lld> yea, if your hope is up, something definitely gone wrong
[16:44:37] <Teckla> Too many humans; too little technical progress on sustainable energy/living; too many humans wanting a (much) higher standard of living; too many people willing to destroy the environment to enrich themsevles; etc.
[16:44:41] <Teckla> themselves*
[16:45:03] <Teckla> I'm not saying we shouldn't TRY, but it seems completely, utterly hopeless
[16:45:29] <lld> its probably deliberate as well
[16:45:32] <Cascade> Carbon nanotubes can take care of that. First, they'll make all technologies better, then they'll pull an asbestos and put lawyer ads on the tv.
[16:45:38] <Teckla> I suspect it may very well be THE Great Filter
[16:45:46] <lld> ^^^
[16:54:00] <RandomFactor> Mental Note: Investigate the theory that lawyer ads on TV is a Great Filter.
[18:07:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unravelling Prehistoric Fire Use: Variation in Fire Conditions Equals Variation in Human Behavior - https://sylnt.us - hot-pursuit
[18:27:04] <FatPhil> I suspect that just commercial TV is a great filter
[19:03:08] <halibut> FatPhil: Expresso is when coffee is made really fast, for those people who need it right away.
[19:25:52] <FatPhil> How does that differ from espresto?
[19:29:41] <halibut> I think that's when someone conjures coffee, seemingly from nowhere.
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[20:17:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA's Big Moon News: There's Water All Over the Place - https://sylnt.us
[20:43:57] <FatPhil> halibut: that's arabicacadabra isn't it?
[20:58:30] <halibut> Nice.
[21:17:38] <Bytram> From a friend at the local water company who was trying to repair frozen water mains that broke in -20F weather, it ain't no picnic getting through frozen soil to get to the water main. Easily 10-12 hours with a backhoe-mounted jackhammer. Then move over a bit and do it again. And again. And again. Oh, and be prepared for aggressive wear on the jackhammer's tip, too.
[21:18:01] <Bytram> s/10-12/several/
[21:18:01] <SedBot> <Bytram> From a friend at the local water company who was trying to repair frozen water mains that broke in -20F weather, it ain't no picnic getting through frozen soil to get to the water main. Easily several hours with a backhoe-mounted jackhammer. Then move over a bit and do it again. And again. And again. Oh, and be prepared for aggressive wear on the jackhammer's tip, too.
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[22:26:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink to Go South for First Time With Planned Deployment in Texas - https://sylnt.us - disrupting-the-horrible-isp-market-when?
[22:38:09] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.theatlantic.com from the what-does-it-profit-a-man,-etc?-dept.
[22:38:11] <systemd> Submitting "Evangelicals Made a Bad Bargain With Trump"...
[22:38:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Evangelicals Made a Bad Bargain With Trump" (44 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:38:39] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, it's political. feel free not to add it if that bothers you. but i think more than political this is also important theologically and morally
[22:43:08] <FatPhil> Ooooh, I lied earlier! I do know some religious people here. However, they're all Turks or Pakistanis, quite recently arrived, and they all run fooderies I'm a regular at. No idea what their names are, but at least we're on head-nodding terms. However, apart from that, everyone I know is irreligeous.
[22:44:33] <FatPhil> If all the Evangelicals promise to vote for Trump, will he promise to provide a devastating asteroid impact in 5 years time?
[22:45:02] <AzumaHazuki> and with good reason: the only religions that aren't dangerous nutbars-insane death cults are along the lines of Buddhism, Deism, etc
[22:45:36] <FatPhil> There are even some loony death cult buddhists!
[22:46:09] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, that just gobsmacks me
[22:46:24] <AzumaHazuki> like...were you not listening to a single word Siddhartha said or what?
[22:48:04] <FatPhil> I used to share a flat with the maintainer of the alt.religion.buddhism newsgroup FAQ in the early 90s, and he was attempting to delicately address the issue of how the buddhists behind the village raid mass murders weren't real buddhists.
[22:48:27] <FatPhil> Without getting a fatwa issued!
[22:48:40] <chromas> What did they put on their porridge?
[22:48:44] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://www.reuters.com from the stick-it-to-'em dept.
[22:48:45] <systemd> Submitting "Vaccine hopes rise as Oxford jab prompts immune response among old as well as young adults"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[22:49:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Vaccine Hopes Rise as Oxford Jab Prompts Immune Response Among Old as Well as Young Adults" (24 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:23:26] <Bytram> https://www.cnn.com
[23:23:30] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[23:24:36] <Bytram> FatPhil: Will trump promise...? When has it ever been a problem for him to promise something he cannot deliver?
[23:25:17] <FatPhil> He's equally capable of deliering things he never promised, that's the beauty.
[23:26:14] <Cascade> Politics 100
[23:42:46] <Bytram> Didn't get enough sleep the past several nights. Gonna try and hit the sack early tonight.
[23:42:57] <Bytram> Have a great night everybody!
[23:47:25] <nutherguy_> Careful the sack doesn't hit back Bytram -
[23:47:34] <nutherguy_> Do a hit and run
[23:50:11] <nutherguy_> Holy Moly! Just tuned into the senate hearings, and they are still flapping their gums!
[23:50:26] <nutherguy_> 11 hours plus, now?
[23:53:13] <nutherguy_> Clerk is calling the roll - maybe they finally gonna vote