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[00:01:17] <FatPhil> and for all you Nobel afficianados who've not been able to keep up with the news, no it's not Krugman winning again.
[00:01:55] <FatPhil> Economic make Peace look even vaguely meaningful.
[00:02:13] <halibut> Was that the one about auction theory? Auctions are all about selling things, right? So, if they successfully sold it to the judges, doesn't that mean they really know how to do that?
[00:02:36] <FatPhil> yup, auction theory.
[00:03:12] <FatPhil> a bit like getting a peace prize by threatening to bomb the judges' families
[00:03:49] <FatPhil> if you give me the prize, I will guarantee peace. Proof!
[00:06:55] <halibut> I was thinking something a little more subtle. For example, this guy is good at marketing: https://xkcd.com simply by having convinced somebody else that they were good.
[00:06:56] <systemd> ^ 03Marketing Interview
[00:21:08] <FatPhil> can'tt view xkcd on my phone, alas
[00:23:57] <halibut> Perhaps you can view the transcript in this link: https://www.explainxkcd.com
[00:23:58] <systemd> ^ 03125: Marketing Interview - explain xkcd ( https://www.explainxkcd.com )
[00:28:01] <FatPhil> nice one
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[00:54:14] <c0lo> https://www.abc.net.au
[00:54:15] <systemd> ^ 03China's Communist Party knows how to quell a restive population
[00:54:56] <c0lo> ^ "— but what about its environment?"
[00:57:40] <c0lo> (among other thing, climate started to play into international relations. China witholding water from Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam)
[00:58:01] <c0lo> s/thing/things/
[00:58:01] <SedBot> <c0lo> (among other things, climate started to play into international relations. China witholding water from Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam)
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[01:55:12] <RandomFactor> I knew better than to tune in to this.
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[02:35:21] <lld> >China witholding water from Laos, Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam
[02:35:30] <lld> proof that you shouldn't depend on others
[02:35:41] <lld> it is never in your best interest
[02:40:36] <c0lo> @lld solution: if your country's geography has on the rivers coming from China, either you force new rivers to spring in your country or... what?... unite with China?
[02:41:23] <lld> yea, find another source of water
[02:42:17] <c0lo> silly Sahara-dwellers, why didn't they think of it.
[02:42:52] <lld> they're still around
[02:55:08] <c0lo> In small numbers, as many as the environ constraints allow. And yet, they didn't find new water.
[02:56:24] <lld> I'm sure they'll be devastated about chinese cutting off water supplies that they never needed
[02:58:38] <c0lo> True. But what that makes of your "you shouldn't depend on others"?
[03:05:03] <nutherguy> =g how to get caught plotting to kill someone
[03:05:03] <systemd> https://www.nytimes.com - Former Zookeeper Sentenced to 22 Years in Murder-for-Hire Plot ...
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[04:06:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - At&T Loses Another 600,000 TV Customers as It Seeks Buyer for DirecTV - https://sylnt.us - dumpster-fire
[04:11:20] <lld> c0lo: yeah they never depended on Chinese water
[04:11:24] <lld> good on them
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[05:14:42] <SoyBullAssHorn> Wuddup niggas
[05:15:09] <SoyBullAssHorn> Word on the street is that Biden was rockin tonight
[05:16:52] <SoyBullAssHorn> It's gonna be nice seeing Antifa get the shit beat out of them by angry cops come November.
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[05:20:47] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[05:20:50] <systemd> ^ 03How Screws Are Made | Automated Factory Tour in China
[06:18:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - James Randi, 92, Has Passed Away - https://sylnt.us - RIP
[06:27:32] <chromas> charlatans everywhere booting up
[07:19:52] <c0lo> American screws https://apnews.com
[07:19:53] <systemd> ^ 03China vows retaliation if US proceeds with Taiwan arms sale
[07:39:11] <FatPhil> https://news.err.ee
[07:39:13] <systemd> ^ 03US voters get 'Vote for Trump' e-mail threats sent from Estonian server
[07:39:30] <FatPhil> Waiting for the response "Russians!!!"...
[07:41:19] <nutherguy> Well "Estonian" and "Russian" both end with i a n
[07:42:42] <nutherguy> WTF is Estonia, anyway? Isn't it up close to the arctic, really close to Russia and all those socialist nordic countries?
[07:43:29] <FatPhil> one of the baltic states, so way down south compared to Finland
[07:44:45] <nutherguy> https://1.bp.blogspot.com
[07:45:07] <nutherguy> Not exactly "way down south" - they share a border with Russia
[07:48:09] <FatPhil> that's a property shared by more countries than I could name
[07:48:45] <nutherguy> Anyone on Russia's property is suspect, ask any Democrat!
[07:49:23] * nutherguy thinks a nap might be nice
[07:50:34] <nutherguy> Is it true that Russians are born with two horns, which have to be surgically removed before westerners see them?
[07:51:13] <nutherguy> And, the cloven feet . . .
[07:51:45] <nutherguy> I don't believe the stories about goat's tails though
[07:52:03] <FatPhil> Yeah, I never trusted that Palin bird
[08:03:30] <chromas> Nailin'?
[08:03:50] <FatPhil> wailin'?
[08:03:58] <FatPhil> whalin'?
[08:04:45] <chromas> Whalin' Palin—Sarah's lefty sister
[08:05:11] <chromas> thorns--
[08:05:11] <Bender> karma - thorns: -1
[08:05:29] <chromas> Soon my inner tubes will be all patch
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[08:27:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Remote-controlled Model Car Spotted at 10km/h Over the Speed Limit - https://sylnt.us - Zoom!-Zoom!
[09:39:42] <c0lo> Heh. "e-mail threats sent from Estonian server" That may happen when you build the one of the most advanced digital society in the world
[09:40:03] <c0lo> https://medium.com
[09:40:04] <systemd> ^ 03Why Estonia is one of the world’s most advanced digital societies
[09:41:45] <c0lo> horns-=2
[09:42:17] <c0lo> (bah, bender isn't *that* bright)
[09:42:27] <c0lo> horns----
[09:43:02] <c0lo> (make it stupid bender)
[09:46:36] <c0lo> question is: how did the Iranians managed to penetrate a server in Estonia? https://www.npr.org
[09:46:36] <systemd> ^ 03U.S. Blames Iran For Threatening Election Emails, Says Russia May Interfere Too
[09:47:02] <c0lo> s/managed/manage/
[09:47:02] <SedBot> <c0lo> question is: how did the Iranians manage to penetrate a server in Estonia? https://www.npr.org
[10:08:12] <Ingar> the same way the iraqis managed to build weapons of mass destruction?
[10:09:26] <lld> the same way the state department got penetrated to hell and back
[10:09:47] <lld> "intelligence sharing"
[10:13:14] <Ingar> or like how the NSA/GCHQ hacked our telecom
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[10:16:19] <FatPhil> intelligence shared is intelligence halved
[10:16:44] <lld> "NSA contractors"
[10:27:35] <boru> The USA sure does like its boogiemen. Their politicians are trying very hard to maintain relevance in the world now that China has overtaken as the world's largest economy. "No! You can only trust us! Everyone else is evil! We would _never_ do all of those things we accuse everyone else of doing!". Their empire is crumbling.
[10:29:26] <boru> I can only hope NATO's 2030 plan falls to pieces so Europe doesn't get dragged down with them into more endless wars for the MIC and israel when it happens.
[10:29:35] <Ingar> imho, we passed the crumbling phase a while ago
[10:29:45] <lld> its terminal now
[10:29:52] <Ingar> ^
[10:30:56] <boru> I hope that the citizens will balkanise to save their communities from the outright idiocy that democracy has wraught there.
[10:31:14] <lld> nah, they'll become the euro nationalists they hate so much
[10:31:26] <boru> Otherwise, they'll be the ones to suffer, as usual.
[10:31:28] <lld> some kind of national socialist for euro-kind :)
[10:31:47] <Ingar> the euro nationalists are doing quite well btw
[10:31:58] <boru> Depends who you ask.
[10:32:01] <Ingar> covid measures have been an authoritarian heaven
[10:32:41] <boru> Poland, yes, Hungary yes if you are a zionist, Austria yes, Greece in a very clever way.
[10:32:51] <Ingar> boru: I live in the Brussels area
[10:33:28] <boru> They haven't actually. NGOs have been bringing immigrants from the African continent and the Middle East en masse during covid. They got rumbled in Greece, though.
[10:33:31] <Ingar> after the previous elections it took 1.5yrs to get an election without nationalists
[10:33:44] <Ingar> and covid is the only reason we actually got a govt
[10:33:58] <boru> Greece is now cooperating with Afghanistan to send back people they catch trying to enter Europe through Turkey and the Mediterrean.
[10:34:07] <boru> Mediterranean, even.
[10:34:26] <boru> Belgium is long since lost.
[10:34:59] <boru> Brussels is nothing more than fascism in democratic clothing.
[10:35:31] <Ingar> "Brussels" in EU context or Belgian capital context ?
[10:35:51] <boru> The former.
[10:35:59] <boru> But probably also the latter.
[10:36:49] <Ingar> Brussels capital region is quite socialist
[10:37:39] <boru> A likely story, for the city hosting the EU headquarters.
[10:37:42] <Ingar> (note Brussels is an actual state within the Belgian federation)
[10:38:37] <boru> I'm aware. The region was a power in the Haseatic league, iirc.
[10:38:49] <boru> Major power, rather.
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[10:39:07] <boru> And Hanseatic. Excuse my typing.
[10:39:25] <Ingar> don't woprry, my History isn't that great
[10:39:34] <Ingar> I blame our broken education system
[10:41:33] <boru> Don't worry. That problem is also becoming EU-wide, also.
[10:42:20] <boru> "The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."
[10:42:27] <Ingar> we have become quite adept at importing american self-destruction policies
[10:42:38] <boru> You can thank globalism for that.
[10:43:32] <lld> boru: I can seeeeeeeee the politicians pick up on it
[10:43:41] <lld> every time a politician explains something like:
[10:43:59] <lld> "We can't change anything we must adapt to the future" while purposefully making things worst
[10:44:21] <lld> it is an excuse to continue their bullshit status quo into oblivion
[10:44:54] <boru> "Diversity is our strength", "Covid measures are the new norm" and other such catchphrases, yes.
[10:45:02] <lld> this kind of bullshit is also infecting business management
[10:45:10] <lld> not so much the catchphrase
[10:45:15] <lld> but the attitude
[10:45:18] <boru> Indeed.
[10:45:52] <lld> imagine telling the poor "The world is changing, we can't keep supporting you, you must change yourselves"
[10:45:56] <Ingar> not surprising since ex-politicians tend to get nice board positions in the companies they supported
[10:45:57] <lld> and then removing social security
[10:45:58] <boru> We are spiralling towards a collapse, but this isn't the first time in history that's happened, and each time it has lead to a new golden age where people return to sensibility.
[10:46:09] <lld> I'd like to see how socialists explode over that
[10:46:32] <lld> its this very same attitude that believes it does not need to explain itself
[10:47:00] <Ingar> is that the american interpretation of "Socialist" or the european? :p
[10:47:32] <boru> I read a really great book recently called "The History of Central Banking and the Enslavement of Mankind". I think everyone on the planet should read it, and then consider how they should vote.
[10:47:36] <lld> does it matter in this context?
[10:47:43] <lld> you're removing what people like
[10:47:47] <lld> with such an excuse
[10:48:01] <Ingar> boru: I'm quite aware of how money works :)
[10:48:18] <boru> I don't think there's an interpretation of socialism on either side of the pond, just where the definition of "centre" is located.
[10:48:52] <boru> It's not about the money, but rather the policies enacted by the Bank of England and others to destroy nations.
[10:49:13] <boru> From England itself, to France, to Russia to America and then Germany and Libya.
[10:49:17] <boru> It's a great read.
[10:49:27] <Ingar> oh nice, might read that
[10:49:44] <lld> is this about Fractional Reserves again?
[10:49:49] <boru> It's one of those "controversial" books. I was quite surprised it wasn't banned.
[10:50:55] <boru> It's based on historic fact. Not one of these "conspiracy theorist" books.
[10:51:29] <lld> yeah fractional reserve is real too
[10:51:53] <boru> It sure is. They discuss it in the book.
[10:52:19] <Ingar> fractional reserves violates thermondynamics, it some point, it will implode
[10:52:22] <Ingar> we're almost there
[10:52:31] <Ingar> with some help from external events
[10:52:44] <Ingar> *thermodynamics ofc
[10:52:59] * Ingar hoarding popcorn
[10:53:09] <lld> I don't need help with conspiracy theories, I got enough of it to last years even when the internet goes out
[10:53:18] <boru> Watching the flow of gold over the last year has certainly been an indicator.
[10:54:07] <boru> Anyway, I had better get back to work. I've got some annoying hardware bugs to figure out.
[10:54:24] <Ingar> have fun
[10:54:29] <Ingar> I have the day off ;)
[10:54:41] <lld> I have the 2 days off next week
[10:54:52] <lld> all the security checklist alarms can wait
[10:54:54] <boru> Well for some. I'm wroking from home, at least. Quite convenient having a home lab.
[10:55:18] <Ingar> this is the joke actually
[10:55:23] <lld> no difference really
[10:55:28] <Ingar> coworkjer of mine got quaranteened because his wife fell ill
[10:55:40] <Ingar> I can get days off because he can do (part) of my job from home
[10:56:00] <boru> Convenient.
[10:56:42] <Ingar> I had hope to do some stargazing, but now we have this damn curfew
[10:59:21] <boru> Ah, what have you got?
[10:59:38] <boru> I've been waiting for some clear nights to do some imaging.
[11:02:26] <Ingar> 150/750 newton
[11:02:40] <Ingar> been experimenting with the raspberry pi hq camera
[11:03:37] <Ingar> http://ingar.intranifty.net
[11:03:39] <lld> telescope?
[11:03:50] <Ingar> lld: yeah
[11:03:53] <lld> nice
[11:04:02] <lld> I wanted to some radio astronomy
[11:04:02] <Ingar> now I need to find out how to get a sharper image ;)
[11:04:13] <lld> but parabolic antennas bigger than certain sizes are illegal
[11:07:33] <Ingar> can't have citizens sending data to russian sattelites
[11:08:19] <lld> not really
[11:08:31] <lld> getting around government censorship is illegal
[11:08:38] <lld> this applies to satellite TV
[11:08:53] <lld> that is why we have only one approved national satellite TV provider
[11:09:05] <Ingar> lld: what country are you in ?
[11:09:17] <lld> somewhere in SEAsia :)
[11:09:26] <Ingar> aah I see
[11:09:37] <lld> thirdworld shithole
[11:10:30] <Ingar> don't worry we're working very hard to turn the first world into a shithole as well
[11:10:57] <Ingar> the new world order's interpretation of equality for all earth citizens
[11:10:57] <lld> tbh, I'd preferred that the British stayed
[11:11:40] <lld> that reminds me of those idiots thinking "Imagine" is a utopia
[11:11:48] <lld> we already had a borderless world once
[11:11:54] <lld> it was called the British Empire
[11:12:19] <lld> some people need to rewatch "Around the world in 80 days"
[11:17:55] <boru> I mostly do narrowband imaging, optical wavelengths. I have a few expensive hobbies already; radio astronomy would be another one too much!
[11:18:14] <lld> :)
[11:18:44] <lld> I like picking up shortwave, unfortunatly, lots of chinese jamming
[11:19:05] <lld> https://www.sigidwiki.com
[11:19:06] <systemd> ^ 03Chinese Firedrake Jammer - Signal Identification Wiki
[11:19:33] <boru> All local MW stuff, mostly looking for new supernovae. I've written a software pipeline to analyse NB data looking for them. It's found one in someone else's data, but I haven't discovered a new one myself, yet. Perhaps if I get some more focal length, I could try looking at other galaxies, which amateurs seem to have more look finding them in...
[11:20:03] <boru> HF is cool, for sure. I'd like to get a little SDR and just RX.
[11:20:19] <lld> I recommend AirSpy HF+ for HF
[11:20:30] <lld> so far its the best low cost SDR I've come across
[11:20:38] <boru> I was thinking about a bladeRF, because you can reflash the FPGA.
[11:20:51] <boru> And doing some of the DSP myself would be fun.
[11:20:56] <lld> bladeRF does 60MHz and above iirc
[11:21:05] <lld> and its a lot more expensive
[11:21:08] <boru> Isn't there a downconverter daughter card?
[11:21:18] <lld> you could, but you'd be adding more noise
[11:21:25] <boru> Yeah, true.
[11:21:40] <boru> It's frontend is pretty wide, anyway.
[11:21:47] <lld> I'd say give HF+ a try first
[11:22:01] <lld> you'd want to use a lower bandwidth for less noise anyway
[11:22:20] <boru> I had a bunch of those DTB dongles with the elonics chip in them, but never really played around with them much.
[11:22:22] <lld> if you want a giant spectrum plot of all the signals, yeah a wideand frontend is nice
[11:22:31] <boru> Right.
[11:22:39] <lld> those are 8bit Realtek SDRs
[11:22:44] <boru> Yeah.
[11:22:50] <lld> they do fine for VHF/UHF
[11:23:04] <lld> you need an upconverter for anything under
[11:23:11] <boru> If I had the time for RF, I'd play around.
[11:23:28] <boru> But for now, I have enough to do with what little spare cycles I have.
[11:23:35] <lld> I bought a chinese active loop antenna, its cheap, does its job well
[11:23:41] <lld> the MLA-30
[11:23:54] <lld> usb powered
[11:24:04] <lld> so you don't need to fiddle with a bias-t
[11:24:12] <boru> I've got enough space to string up a considerable length of copper wire, and I'm high up.
[11:24:47] <lld> you could go with a ladder setup ham operators use, but that's a bit overkill just for listening in
[11:25:13] <lld> the good part about the loop antenna is that it works well indoors, even with the electrical noise around
[11:25:36] <lld> I can pick up what I think are the lifts operating :)
[11:25:43] <boru> Heh, neat.
[11:25:44] <lld> EM noise at 65kHz
[11:26:08] <boru> I grok radiation patterns and take off angles and whatnot, but antenna design is still a bit magical to me.
[11:26:39] <lld> a loop antenna if placed flat on the horizontal plane becomes non directional
[11:26:54] <lld> great if you want to pick up signals from all angles
[11:27:09] <lld> I picked up a lot of illegal ham operators
[11:28:39] <lld> the Airspy HF+ has a very narrow band compared to other SDRs, with a maximum of around 900kHz
[11:28:52] <lld> but it has top notch quality
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[12:21:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:21:56] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5380
[12:21:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:21:57] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5381
[12:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, twice. it's one of them kinda mornings
[12:34:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> so the proud boys emails apparently came from a server in estonia
[12:34:18] * TheMightyBuzzard gives FatPhil the ole Spock eyebrow
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[13:08:14] * FatPhil does the classic bart simpson "I didn't do it" act
[13:08:58] <FatPhil> woohoo! 2^10!: $ uptime
[13:09:00] <FatPhil> 16:10:23 up 1024 days, 4:22, 5 users, load average: 0.45, 0.27, 0.21
[13:35:16] <Bytram_dewey> coffee++
[13:35:16] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5382
[14:03:41] <c0lo> highest voter turnout https://www.reuters.com
[14:03:42] <systemd> ^ 03More than 50 million Americans have cast ballots in presidential election
[14:05:21] <c0lo> US should have an epidemic every electoral year to get up their assess in higher numbers to vote?
[14:07:45] <FatPhil> inz: congrats on today's .fi CoViD death count today - impressive!
[14:11:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, why? i'd rather people who don't really give a fuck not vote.
[14:12:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's nothing virtuous about voting when you're picking arbitrarily
[14:14:16] <c0lo> You have the write-in option, right?
[14:14:17] <boru> I'd rather trial by single combat, or melee field combat as a means to select a new leader. The crowd has demonstrated that democracy doesn't work, so allow combat prowess to do so.
[14:14:44] <lld> boru: nah, military achievement is better :)
[14:14:50] <boru> You cannot lead if you have died of grievous wounds in battle.
[14:15:17] <lld> punching the other guy hard enough doesn't quite work when you can tell others to take the hit
[14:15:19] <c0lo> Because combat/,illitary is what you need to human advancement.
[14:15:26] <lld> yep
[14:15:31] <lld> all those advancements
[14:15:36] <boru> It is, indeed.
[14:16:24] <boru> Sadly, war has been the greatest selector for generations of humans. It's a paradox.
[14:16:37] <c0lo> pyrrhic victory, here they come
[14:16:51] <lld> and the greatest remover of the restless
[14:16:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, write-ins are irrelevant if you don't really care.
[14:17:33] <c0lo> Well, what a great motivation to care an epidemic is.
[14:17:55] <FatPhil> someone's been watching too much wakanda
[14:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not really unless you think one side or the other isn't going to use it for their own benefit and not give a shit about you
[14:18:16] <c0lo> wth is wakanda?
[14:18:39] <FatPhil> I'm happy that you don't know
[14:18:47] <boru> I don't know either.
[14:18:56] <FatPhil> I'm doubly happy
[14:19:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> boru, i second the irish method. any fights not lasing as long as the fight scene in The Quiet Man have to be refought the next day though.
[14:19:14] * boru chuckles.
[14:19:20] <c0lo> I want my 5 secs back (learning it's a Marvel stupidity)
[14:19:47] <FatPhil> Bu-bu-but it won 87 Oscars!
[14:20:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> and none of this closing the bars during voting bullshit. have pubs be the required polling places and require a four drink minimum before voting.
[14:21:01] <c0lo> +1 Interesting
[14:21:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> drinking/voting age discrepancy needs resolved but that's trivial
[14:23:56] <c0lo> Additionally, full ranked voting on ballots 2m+ long: https://en.wikipedia.org
[14:23:58] <systemd> ^ 03Electoral system of Australia - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[14:25:07] <FatPhil> Oh fuck
[14:25:13] <FatPhil> fuck the fucking uk
[14:25:19] <FatPhil> fuck fucking brexit
[14:25:31] <FatPhil> fuck single points of failure
[14:26:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> what you going on about?
[14:26:40] <FatPhil> everything I do with GBP goes via a single bank account in the UK that I've had for decades. Today, they tell me that that account has to close, as I'm an ex-pat.
[14:27:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, start an LLC or something there and do it that way.
[14:28:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, europe. you'd get taxed to fuck and back several times over for starting a business.
[14:28:29] <c0lo> Mmmmm.... taaaxes. Tasty.
[14:30:36] <FatPhil> I'd probably need a UK address in order to start an LLC
[14:30:48] <FatPhil> I'd probably need a UK bank account to start an LLC
[14:32:43] <FatPhil> (and the accountancy fees would probably be ~1200-1500/yr. I remember paying ~700 to someone who was dirt cheap 20-30 years ago)
[14:33:16] <c0lo> TMB, have you ever tried living as an expat from US? I have work mates in Oz who badmouth the angelic IRS every year (or at least the last 3 which I worked with them)
[14:34:49] <FatPhil> g/f also has an account with barclays, but they've not phoned her yet
[14:35:52] <c0lo> Time to ditch GBP, then.
[14:36:40] <c0lo> Talk to Soros, maybe he'll do them again if you ask him nice.
[14:40:48] <FatPhil> I can't ditch GBP, I deal with entities whose interface is GBPs.
[14:41:39] <FatPhil> Why should I be forced to move all my savings out of the country that I will probably return to after I retire, that's retarded.
[14:45:22] <FatPhil> It seems there's a chance that different banks have different requirements for the "UK address". I might be able to get away with just having a c/o to my sister's address...
[14:46:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, all of us badmouth the IRS every year. it's tradition.
[14:46:53] <FatPhil> g/f's optimmised her IRS interface, she wastes less than a day filling out that book and the additional half-dozen extra forms now.
[14:48:01] <c0lo> It may actually be advantageuos. EU may be a more stable market, I don't know how UK will get their money if Europe decides to ditch the London stock and foreign exchanges.
[14:49:42] <c0lo> TMB. Yeah, nah. It's about earning income in Oz, paying Oz taxes and filling something-something for IRS to avoid double taxation.
[14:51:24] <c0lo> I never got my head around why it's fair to ask taxes from someone living and working abroad.
[14:52:16] <inz> FatPhil, it's the first -2, previously there's been two -1s
[14:52:24] <inz> FatPhil, the ZOMVID-19
[14:53:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, to help the poor $foo, obviously. if you don't want to pay then you must hate $foo.
[14:55:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Closest Black Hole to Earth May Not Actually be a Black Hole After All - https://sylnt.us
[14:56:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> april 15th makes hypocrites of nearly all progressives round these parts anyway. it's a damned small number of them that don't look for every deduction they can find and an even smaller number that add anything to the "i'd like to contribute a little extra" line.
[14:58:00] <c0lo> I hate $foo. I like road without potholes, tho. This is why I moved downunder, the washboard roads are so much better - more fun and cheaper
[14:58:26] <c0lo> s/road /roads /
[14:58:26] <SedBot> <c0lo> I hate $foo. I like roads without potholes, tho. This is why I moved downunder, the washboard roads are so much better - more fun and cheaper
[14:59:54] <FatPhil> in an atmosphere of complete mistrust, and an utterly baroque system, such as the US, one shouldn't trust the govt to not be ripping you off somehow, so of course you get out of everything you can.
[14:59:54] <janrinok> FatPhil, I've not had a letter from my bank either yet, but I will not be surprised to get one. I have several standing orders that are paid out of my UK account each month that cannot be transferred to a local account because the recipient insists on a UK account.
[15:00:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> roads are one of the few things worth spending government moneys on, yup.
[15:00:55] <FatPhil> janrinok: thanks for popping your head up - I may need to move to a different bank, as I really don't want to have to completely off-shore everything about me.
[15:01:17] <FatPhil> looking on the internet, different banks are approaching this differently.
[15:01:23] <janrinok> FatPhil, but fortunately the UK govt pays my pension into my French account
[15:01:45] <FatPhil> you hope!
[15:02:00] <FatPhil> .insert gammon here.
[15:03:08] <janrinok> they do insist on taxing my pension in the UK - for which I get not UK benefits whatsoever!
[15:03:16] <janrinok> get no*
[15:04:38] <janrinok> ... but there is an Anglo/French agreement (nothing to do with the EU or Brexit) which means the French will only tax it again if I earn money in France - but they will tax the whole amount in that instance.
[15:05:14] <janrinok> It benefits lots of French people the other way so it is not in France's interests to screw that up
[15:05:18] <FatPhil> the reason i went with barclays originally was because they were the happiest to help out when i left the UK in the first place - they had a tax-free channel-islands account. that stopped 10 years ago, but I stayed with them. They were problem solvers. Now they're just dumping everyone with a big fuck you.
[15:05:57] <FatPhil> I think there will be lots of unforeseen gotchas with brexit
[15:06:17] <janrinok> I'll have to look at which banks are making which decisions.
[15:06:52] <janrinok> There are more French people living in the UK than there are Brits living in France - I was very surprised to learn that!
[15:07:07] <FatPhil> send them home! bloody immigrants!
[15:07:12] <janrinok> I keep asking myself why?!
[15:07:20] <FatPhil> for the sausages
[15:07:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> because nobody likes the french, not even the french
[15:07:51] <janrinok> and baked beans, marmite, marmalade, real-ale
[15:11:49] <c0lo> The French must take care of the Scotch distilleries they own https://www.whiskyinvestdirect.com
[15:11:51] <systemd> ^ 03Malt whisky distilleries in Scotland
[15:12:11] <FatPhil> c0lo: that's one of the hooks I have to that UK bank account
[15:12:48] <FatPhil> you have to tie a single bank account to your investment, so that there's no laundering possibility
[15:13:18] <FatPhil> was just writing a panicky email to them to say "help - my account's going to disappear, and I have no replacement (in GBP)"
[15:14:24] <c0lo> Well, open a Sàrl in France then
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[15:17:42] <FatPhil> just for reference, if you aren't diversified, feel free to sign up to UID using my referer code - I'd cream 1/4 of your commissions for a year ;)
[15:17:50] <FatPhil> WID
[15:18:51] <c0lo> When I Drink?
[15:19:13] <FatPhil> I have noise-free stats for about 5 months now, and it looks like you can pretty much guarantee 8% growth (and if you chose the right whiskies, over 9 looks possible) WhiskyInvestDirect
[15:19:44] <FatPhil> I'd been looking at it for a couple of years, but when everything crashed in march I decided I'd just dive in during the dip.
[15:25:49] <c0lo> I don't mix finances with liquor. Enjoy the drink, put whatever I couldn't drink in a month into an indexed investment fund and be care free.
[15:27:52] <FatPhil> I'll never see my whisky investments - they're in a bonded warehouse, and for them to cross that line would cost 10x their value in taxes.
[15:29:22] <FatPhil> HAving said that, I am investing in a few brands that I also have on my shelf - Glen Dronach, Bunnahabhain, ...
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[15:36:08] <nutherguy> EXTRATERRESTRIALS INTERFERING IN US ELECTION!!
[15:36:28] <nutherguy> https://phys.org
[15:36:29] <systemd> ^ 03Ultimate absentee ballot: US astronaut votes from space station
[15:39:10] <c0lo> Divesify https://www.raconteur.net
[15:39:12] <systemd> ^ 03How to invest in wine
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[15:45:33] <FatPhil> c0lo: I trust whiskyinvestdirect because they are the company behind bullionvault, which I've been investing in for several years.
[15:46:26] <FatPhil> i like the idea of diversifying, but I'd want to know that I could trust them. I'm quite anal about what I demand from people who look after my money.
[15:49:01] <FatPhil> ah, that's not an investment manager, that's just an article.
[15:49:08] <FatPhil> I never trust articles
[15:49:47] <c0lo> https://www.vinovest.co
[15:49:48] <systemd> ^ 03Simple, modern wine investing
[15:50:26] <c0lo> https://www.vinovest.co
[15:50:26] <systemd> ^ 03Investing In Wine: Everything You Need To Know
[15:50:43] <c0lo> https://www.vinovest.co
[15:50:44] <systemd> ^ 03Ultimate Guide To French Wine (Top 21 Wines, Regions, Terms)
[15:51:31] <FatPhil> Nah, doesn't seem my thing - requires too much inside knowledge
[15:51:45] <c0lo> There you have your investment manager. If you take this as a recommendation, you're a fool.
[15:52:18] <c0lo> If you take it as an ivestment advice, you're batshit crazy.
[15:52:49] <c0lo> These being said, I'm goona go for bed
[15:53:03] <FatPhil> I'm still discovering WhiskyInvestDirect (not been there long enough to see what the exit strategies are), but I've seen the actual market work, I've seen the spreads, and it looks like it's safe
[15:54:23] * c0lo ᶻzZ
[16:02:56] <c0lo> Eh... umm... what...? Aaahhh, just a dream https://www.cnbc.com
[16:02:59] <systemd> ^ 03Italian cheese firm sells Parmesan-backed bond
[16:03:10] * c0lo turns on the other side
[16:03:14] <FatPhil> ugh, 10% commission on sales - man, the wine world looks toxic
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[16:48:34] <FatPhil> inz: are you into beer?
[16:49:13] <inz> FatPhil, I wouldn't know, never tasted one
[16:49:16] <FatPhil> it looks like there's a german beer festival (koelsch and alt both been reported on tap) in Tuulensuu - and I think you said you were in the right town for that.
[16:49:20] <FatPhil> 8-o
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[17:41:42] <nutherguy> https://youtu.be
[17:41:44] <systemd> ^ 03Mom Screams ‘My Son Is in Here!' During Home Invasion ( https://www.youtube.com )
[17:46:23] <nutherguy> https://youtu.be
[17:46:25] <systemd> ^ 03The Good, the Bad and the Ugly- Tuco Shoots ( https://www.youtube.com )
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[21:16:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Antitrust Lawsuit Against Google Has Been Filed - https://sylnt.us - get-your-popcorn
[21:36:59] <requerdanos> What does google have a monopoly in? Advertising? No... Search? No...
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[22:36:28] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[22:36:30] <systemd> ^ 03John Lennon - Working Class Hero ( Acoustic Version )
[23:27:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://tmb.dedyn.io
[23:27:30] <AzumaHazuki> 70, good lord
[23:27:43] <AzumaHazuki> i thought 25 the other day was an assault
[23:38:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Monsanto Loses Case Against French Farmer - https://sylnt.us - the-wheels-of-justice-move-slowly
[23:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> fortunately i don't have time to even look at them this evening.
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