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[00:09:43] <AzumaHazuki> so, are galvanized pipe fittings covered in sticky oil or something? i brought some home (am making a floating wall-mount desk) and gave them a nice wash with hot water and castille soap
[00:09:48] <nutherguy> I wonder if the clickbait people are being laid off?
[00:10:00] <AzumaHazuki> but my hands are still a little...ick...even after a bunch of different handwashes: dish soap, vinegar, plain hand soap...
[00:10:06] <nutherguy> I've seen the same clickbait titles for more than a week now
[00:11:02] <nutherguy> Galvanized pipe? I've handled some that had oil on them, but usually they are clean and dry.
[00:11:20] <nutherguy> Probably stored near other iron and steel that had oil on them
[00:11:41] <AzumaHazuki> my hands feel a little tacky even after three different washes. also the fittings came in bags with lead warnings D: how screwed am I?
[00:11:56] <nutherguy> Black steel pipe always has gunk on it, probably came from that
[00:12:15] <nutherguy> use some Gojo or similar cleaner
[00:12:39] <Bytram_dewey> What was the 'icl' like? How viscous?
[00:12:49] <Bytram_dewey> s/icl/ick/
[00:12:49] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> What was the 'ick' like? How viscous?
[00:12:56] <nutherguy> if you're sensitive to this kind of stuff, you want to wear gloves
[00:13:05] <AzumaHazuki> just an odd feeling of slight tackiness left behind
[00:13:11] <Bytram_dewey> gloves++
[00:13:11] <Bender> karma - gloves: 1
[00:13:27] <Bytram_dewey> On the pipes themselves, I meant.
[00:13:45] <nutherguy> I strongly suspect you have the gunk from black pipe, because they were likely stored together
[00:13:52] <AzumaHazuki> very little of it, about the same
[00:13:56] <nutherguy> it's not likely to hurt you - it's never bothered me
[00:14:26] <AzumaHazuki> okay, so long as this isn't fulla lead dust or something >< those warnings are eek-ing me out a bit. i know natural zinc usually comes with a little lead
[00:14:54] <nutherguy> but, keep some kind of "commercial" hand cleaner around - stuff removes a lot of stuff regular handsoap doesn't touch
[00:14:58] <Bytram_dewey> Like WD-40? 3-in-One oil? Vegetable oil? Crisco? Flypaper?
[00:15:03] <nutherguy> that and Dawn dishwashing liquid
[00:15:21] <nutherguy> it's more like a lard consistency Bytram
[00:15:39] <nutherguy> amirite?
[00:15:43] <Bytram_dewey> white grease?
[00:16:12] <nutherguy> I would say more like old dry white grease, in my experience
[00:16:14] <Bytram_dewey> Caulking compounnd?
[00:17:04] <Bytram_dewey> AzumaHazuki: A bit tacky/sticky? Or more slimey/gooey/slippery?
[00:17:10] <AzumaHazuki> a little tacky
[00:17:11] <Bytram_dewey> brb
[00:18:30] <Bytram_dewey> especially considdering the amounts we're talking about here, I'd side with it being maybe a bit "unpleasant", but I cannot imagine it being dangerous.
[00:18:49] <AzumaHazuki> me either really, but am paranoid
[00:19:15] <nutherguy> Wash hands with dish soap, see if it doesn't remove it -
[00:19:29] <nutherguy> I prefer Dawn over anything else
[00:19:51] <Bytram_dewey> dawn++
[00:19:51] <Bender> karma - dawn: 1
[00:20:11] <Bytram_dewey> =yt delta dawn
[00:20:12] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Tanya Tucker - Delta Dawn (03:25; 12,176,057 views; 👍74,555 👎3,590)
[00:20:40] <Bytram_dewey> =yt Amy Allen Heaven
[00:20:40] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Heaven (Official Music Video) (03:07; 441,302 views; 👍2,027 👎69)
[00:21:22] <Bytram_dewey> =yt Amy Allen Difficult
[00:21:23] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Difficult (Official Music Video) (03:45; 1,080,448 views; 👍3,362 👎159)
[00:21:36] <AzumaHazuki> https://imgur.com this is what i have so far :) will make another bracket just like this, screw both into the studs, then sand/stain the project panel and screw it in from below
[00:21:37] <systemd> ^ 03Floating desk, part 1
[00:21:39] <Bytram_dewey> =yt Amy Allen Queen of Silver Linings
[00:21:40] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Amy Allen - Queen of Silver Linings (Official Music Video) (03:40; 1,552,071 views; 👍4,284 👎296)
[00:22:43] <AzumaHazuki> these brackets consist of 4x floor flange, 4x 3" nipple, 1x 6" nipple, 1x 12" nipple, 2x 90* elbow, and one pipecross. probably overengineered all to hell but that's just how i work
[00:23:14] <nutherguy> WTF are you building? Your bedframe?
[00:23:21] <AzumaHazuki> floating desk :)
[00:23:29] <nutherguy> Hmmmmm.....
[00:23:46] <nutherguy> and you're using galvanized?
[00:24:02] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, silver/grey will go well with a black spraypainted wood surface
[00:24:26] <nutherguy> hmmmmmm again - you'll have to post a pic or six when you're done
[00:25:03] <AzumaHazuki> it's not going to be the usual "medium wood on black pipe" look, but i like the silver/black look better
[00:26:17] <nutherguy> If you're going to sit at this desk, and want to avoid the greasy crap gettting on clothes, clean with acetone
[00:26:42] <nutherguy> the stuff will be hard to wash out of light colored fabrid
[00:26:47] <nutherguy> fabric
[00:27:08] <Bytram_dewey> be sure uou have excellent ventilation
[00:27:22] <AzumaHazuki> yup, got some nailpolish remover handy at all times :) it's the only makeup i ever use. and, yeah, i plan to do the painting outside
[00:27:47] <Bytram_dewey> good good
[00:28:21] <AzumaHazuki> i'm really paranoid about breathing in fumes. got goggles and an N95, will lay down a dropcloth and spray outside on the house's balcony and let it dry out there
[00:29:15] <Bytram_dewey> spray... paint?
[00:29:41] <AzumaHazuki> will probably get a can of rustoleum matte black paint, yes
[00:29:50] <Bytram_dewey> hmmm
[00:30:56] <Bytram_dewey> plywood (not cdx grade... more furniture grade) with a couple coats of polyeurethane would look really nivce
[00:31:04] <Bytram_dewey> s/v//
[00:31:04] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> plywood (not cdx grade... more furniture grade) with a couple coats of polyeurethane would look really nice
[00:31:15] <AzumaHazuki> i got a cheap project panel for this, 3/4" by 48" by 16". staining this might look really fake
[00:31:45] <Bytram_dewey> got it.
[00:32:41] <AzumaHazuki> a matte black paint finish will look cheap too of course :/
[00:33:04] <Bytram_dewey> what about a glossy black?
[00:34:15] <AzumaHazuki> it would scratch and stuff. i'd prefer maybe an eggshell finish and maybe some sort of poly coat?
[00:34:53] <nutherguy> Silly question - which way did they cut that 48" x 16" ? Does the ply run longways or shortways?
[00:35:14] <Bytram_dewey> check both sides, too.
[00:35:25] <nutherguy> you really want it to run the length of your project, not the width
[00:35:39] <Bytram_dewey> ^^^ +++
[00:36:00] <AzumaHazuki> oh yeah. and pine is cheap ugly knotty wood as it is. this is a project panel rather than ply
[00:36:07] <AzumaHazuki> it's longways, from the looks of it, thank goodness
[00:36:31] <nutherguy> kk - not plywood - I wasn't familiar with "project panel"
[00:36:54] <Bytram_dewey> lemme guess... naughty pine? ;)
[00:37:03] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, sure looks like it
[00:37:19] <Bytram_dewey> knotty pine is a pain
[00:38:08] <Bytram_dewey> esp when one of the knots pops out and leaves a whole hole behind!
[00:39:03] <nutherguy> saturate with wood glue and shove it back into the hole, lol
[00:39:26] <AzumaHazuki> this is surprisingly smooth, just...cheap and light. if i don't paint this it's going to need gel stain in espresso or dark walnut
[00:40:23] <Bytram_dewey> can you draw a line in the wood with a thumbnail?
[00:41:29] <AzumaHazuki> i refuse to try but i bet the answer is yes
[00:42:34] <nutherguy> alternative to painting would be clear epoxy coat - it would be a lot harder to scratch the finished surface
[00:42:35] <Bytram_dewey> A few coats of poly (use a foam sponge "paintbrush" -- not one with brisles) will put down a hard finish and help protext against that
[00:42:55] <Bytram_dewey> s/sl/stl/
[00:42:56] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> A few coats of poly (use a foam sponge "paintbrush" -- not one with bristles) will put down a hard finish and help protext against that
[00:43:16] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, poly was what i was thinking. hopefully it won't get too shiny/cheap looking?
[00:44:12] <Bytram_dewey> If it's a table/desk, there's prolly gonna be stuff on it, right? Hopw much bare wood is actually going to show?
[00:44:50] <AzumaHazuki> varies. it will go from "nothing on it but my laptop" to "laptop, kettle, mug, and various tea fixins"
[00:48:21] * Bytram_dewey was thinking: if the surface is mostly obscured, how much does it really matter?
[00:54:48] <AzumaHazuki> that's why i'm probably just going to paint it black (even though it's not a red door)
[00:55:19] <Bytram_dewey> =yt Rolling Stones paint it black
[00:55:20] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Rolling Stones - Paint It, Black (Official Lyric Video) (03:47; 300,512,253 views; 👍1,987,202 👎51,313)
[00:56:36] <Bytram_dewey> Yowza! nearly 1/3 Billion views and... nearly 2 *million* thumbs up?!!!
[00:57:30] <Bytram_dewey> I know an artist for whom getting 2 million *views* would be a Big Deal!
[01:06:22] <nutherguy> Youtube is sucking bad these days
[01:06:46] <nutherguy> stop the video to insert advertisements
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[01:57:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Orionid Meteor Shower Peaks this Week. - https://sylnt.us - peak-a-boo!
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[02:07:24] <Bytram_dewey> =cite https://www.sciencedirect.com
[02:07:25] <systemd> Journal Reference: Walking in mud: Remarkable Pleistocene human trackways from White Sands National Park (New Mexico), <cite>Quaternary Science Reviews</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2020.106610">10.1016/j.quascirev.2020.106610</a>)
[02:22:02] <carny> nutherguy: not just putting them at the beginning and making them unskipable?
[02:31:48] <RandomFactor> =submit Groucho and Harposeconds Next https://www.sciencealert.com
[02:31:49] <systemd> Submitting "Scientists Measure The Shortest Length of Time Ever: Zeptoseconds"...
[02:32:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists Measure the Shortest Length of Time Ever: Zeptoseconds" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:38:30] <nutherguy> carny no, there is an ad at the beginning, then the video starts, plays awhile, stops for another ad, maybe two, then the video continues
[02:38:54] <nutherguy> seems like a good reason to stop using youtube
[02:39:25] <nutherguy> used to be I saw no ads at all, but these new ones play no matter what I do
[02:40:22] <chromas> ads? on my youtubes?
[02:40:43] * chromas never sees youtube ads with µblock origin
[02:45:20] <carny> that's terrible
[02:45:46] <carny> you should start downloading videos instead of watching them thru their website
[02:46:44] <nutherguy> Yeah, I do that from time to time - then I forget where I filed them
[02:46:45] <chromas> You can watch youtuve vidyas in vlc
[02:46:58] <nutherguy> you miss the ads in VLC?
[02:47:09] <nutherguy> lemme try
[02:47:10] <chromas> Don't think I've ever seen one
[02:48:26] <carny> nutherguy: you can always just download them to the same place every time so you know which trashcan to empty
[02:49:36] <nutherguy> VLC is currently barfing on network stream from Youtube
[02:50:15] <chromas> download directly to the recycle bin
[02:53:32] <nutherguy> smtube and vlc are working together
[02:53:38] <carny> but youtube is jumping the shark anyway
[02:53:43] <carny> what is smtube?
[02:53:46] <nutherguy> https://www.youtube.com
[02:53:48] <systemd> ^ 03The Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter - the best version ever.
[02:54:05] <chromas> youtube frontend application
[02:54:44] <carny> somebody made a web frontend application called snoopy or something like that
[02:55:30] <carny> got rid of all the snooping google does along with the requirement for javascript to actually do anything
[02:55:47] <chromas> youtubedl's pretty great but it doesn't decrypt the DRMed videos
[02:56:04] <carny> drmed videos?
[02:56:13] <chromas> drmed videos
[02:56:14] <carny> i didn't even know youtube did that
[02:56:36] <chromas> I've only seen it with their movies
[02:56:42] <carny> is that from some paid service like hbo on demand via youtube?
[02:56:50] <chromas> You can watch officially uploaded movies like Hackers and stuff
[02:57:04] <chromas> there are free ones plus you can pay moneys for others
[02:57:17] <carny> that's interesting
[02:57:58] <nutherguy> almost every time I open a youtube tab, I get "invited" to try youtubeTV
[02:58:05] <carny> another example of google failing to execute on a commercial venture despite having infinite money and phd level programmers
[02:58:29] <nutherguy> I don't figure I'll ever subscribe to any service, google or elsewhere
[02:59:04] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[02:59:06] <systemd> ^ 03Spaceballs (1987)
[02:59:06] <carny> if everybody knows about netflix and youtube's competing service is a secret that's some very bad marketing
[02:59:17] <chromas> watch spaceballs for free right now
[03:01:24] <chromas> But like Amazon, Robin Hood: Men in Tights requires moneys. Jesus wept
[03:05:45] <Bytram_dewey> Can bareky stare awake -- heading to bed, Have a great night, everybody!
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[03:25:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Orionid Meteor Shower Peaks this Week - https://sylnt.us - peak-a-boo!
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[04:16:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The OpenBSD Project's 25th Anniversary - https://sylnt.us - Silver-Jubilee
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[06:27:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 247 Zeptoseconds - https://sylnt.us - Zepto?
[06:55:47] <FatPhil> #weather
[06:55:49] <MrPlow> Voorimehe, 10146 Tallinn, Estonia - Today: "Rain until afternoon, starting again overnight." 42/35F, Humidity: 80%, Precip: 92%, Wind ~15mph. Tue: "Light rain overnight." 41/34F, Humidity: 76%, Precip: 54%, Wind ~9mph. Wed: "Light rain throughout the day." 45/44F, Humidity: 87%, Precip: 98%, Wind ~13mph.
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[08:37:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Japan Reportedly Decides to Release Treated Fukushima Water Into the Sea - https://sylnt.us - do-you-want-Godzilla?-because-this-is-how-you-get-Godzilla
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[09:45:40] <FatPhil> woh - first snow of the year spotted
[09:46:11] <requerdanos> first snow?
[09:47:05] <FatPhil> yeah, the white fluffy stuff
[09:47:12] <requerdanos> first snow where?
[09:47:51] <requerdanos> some places I thought had it year round (arctic, Antarctica, colombia)
[09:47:51] <FatPhil> Estonia
[09:48:15] <requerdanos> Ah. Enjoy its beauty, avoid its effects on driving
[09:51:54] <FatPhil> it's a bit weird, it was a thick layer on the roof and bonnet of just one car, nothing has reached town or ant other cars in town.
[09:52:24] <requerdanos> nothing on the ground?
[10:07:38] <FatPhil> absolutely nothing in town. he must have driven in from somewhere else
[10:07:55] <requerdanos> makes sense.
[10:27:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:27:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5375
[10:46:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Enterprise Solutions Provider 'Software AG' Hit by Clop Ransomware - https://sylnt.us - it's-time-to-stop-horsing-around-and-time-to-clip-Clop
[11:57:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Touch-and-Go: US Spacecraft Sampling Asteroid for Return - https://sylnt.us - making-friends-with-"Bennufits"?
[12:14:58] <c0lo> =submit https://apnews.com
[12:14:59] <systemd> Submitting "Biden email episode illustrates risk to Trump from Giuliani"...
[12:15:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Biden Email Episode Illustrates Risk to Trump From Giuliani" (23 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:18:34] <c0lo> =submit https://abcnews.go.com
[12:18:35] <systemd> Submitting "Treasury Department says Ukrainian linked to Rudy Giuliani is 'Russian agent'"...
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[12:36:41] <FatPhil> https://caitlinjohnstone.com
[12:36:43] <systemd> ^ 03‘The Emails Are Russian’ Will Be The Narrative, Regardless Of Facts Or Evidence – Caitlin Johnstone
[12:47:11] <c0lo> =submit Estonian intelligence official says https://www.businessinsider.com
[12:47:13] <systemd> Submitting "Biden laptop: Real or fake or a Russian intelligence operation? - Business Insider"...
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[12:57:50] <RandomFactor> =submit puffer fishing https://www.wired.com
[12:57:52] <systemd> Submitting "NASA’s OSIRIS-REx Is About to Touch an Asteroid"...
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[12:59:58] <c0lo> =submit meanwhile https://www.businessinsider.com
[13:00:00] <systemd> Submitting "Osterholm: Next 6 to 12 weeks will be the 'darkest' of pandemic - Business Insider"...
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[13:27:27] <inz> FatPhil, we had some of the white stuff on lawns and cars in the morning
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[13:44:00] <Bytram_dewey> coffee++
[13:44:00] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5376
[13:56:17] <Bytram_dewey> =gobble TheMightyBuzzard
[13:56:18] * systemd romantically shoves a shoeful of disparagement in TheMightyBuzzard
[13:56:38] <Bytram_dewey> TheMightyBuzzard: How was the fishing yesterday?
[14:07:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Strangely Behaving Red Supergiant Betelgeuse Smaller and Closer than First Thought - https://sylnt.us - betelgeuse-just-got-closer
[14:17:58] <nutherguy> =submit https://phys.org
[14:18:00] <systemd> Submitting "Spacecraft design could get to Titan in only 2 years using a direct fusion drive"...
[14:18:22] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Spacecraft Design Could Get to Titan in Only 2 Years Using a Direct Fusion Drive" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:19:20] <lld> fusion is still perpetually 4 years away due to project delays
[14:19:33] <nutherguy> yeah, that's mentioned in the article
[14:19:39] <FatPhil> inz: yeah, but you're in this country: https://www.youtube.com
[14:19:41] <systemd> ^ 03Kyrö Distillery: Presented by a naked man
[14:19:54] <nutherguy> but the article distinguishes between nuke power and nuke drive
[14:20:17] <lld> you still need it to be self-sustaining
[14:22:01] <lld> maybe it'll be 20 years to design the rocket with practical considerations
[14:22:13] <lld> and another 50 years to blow up Titan
[14:22:51] <nutherguy> brutally finnish lol
[14:34:21] <nutherguy> =submit https://phys.org
[14:34:25] <systemd> Submitting "Researcher uncovers evidence of earliest known dairy production in India"...
[14:34:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Researcher Uncovers Evidence of Earliest Known Dairy Production in India" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:35:29] <lld> worshiping cows give you bonus in dairy research
[14:38:40] <nutherguy> https://www.ctvnews.ca
[14:38:41] <systemd> ^ 03America votes: Does an early ballot count if the voter dies before election day?
[14:39:11] <nutherguy> Silly question - people's votes count even if they died 30 years ago (in democrat strongholds)
[14:39:26] <lld> well obviously their votes would be donated to the needy
[14:49:02] <Bytram_dewey> nutherguy: s/democrat/Republican/
[14:49:02] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> <nutherguy> Silly question - people's votes count even if they died 30 years ago (in Republican strongholds)
[14:50:09] <lld> yeah doesn't change who they vote for strangely
[14:51:52] <Bytram_dewey> Now, does it make a difference in one votes non-strangely?
[14:52:36] <lld> yes, they cancel out strange votes
[14:52:45] <lld> and spoilt ones too
[14:52:59] <Bytram_dewey> what about strange quarks?
[14:54:01] <lld> those are degenerate matter
[14:54:31] <nutherguy> Pig Lives Matter!
[14:54:46] <nutherguy> https://www.bbc.com
[14:54:47] <systemd> ^ 03Wild boar family killed by police in Rome children's playground
[14:55:31] <nutherguy> degenerate voters?
[14:55:58] <Bytram_dewey> s/ .*/s vote?/
[14:55:58] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> whats vote?
[14:56:11] <Bytram_dewey> nutherguy: s/ .*/s vote?/
[14:56:11] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> <nutherguy> degenerates vote?
[14:56:12] <nutherguy> Bytram - you don't seem to take into account that it's Republicans who want to routinely purge the voter roles
[14:56:29] <nutherguy> of course degenerates vote - ask Ellen Degenerate
[14:56:44] <Bytram_dewey> ah, yep. got it backwards. thanks for the correction.
[14:56:55] <nutherguy> lol
[14:57:56] <Bytram_dewey> welp, got some errands to run. laters!
[14:57:57] <nutherguy> What I really want to know is, Did Betelguese break any laws impersonating a larger star?
[14:58:08] <nutherguy> don't have too much fun Bytram
[14:58:51] <Bytram_dewey> Nope. In the fullness of time Betelguese got its come-up-pance
[14:59:12] <Bytram_dewey> that sounded funnier in my head. sorry!
[14:59:21] <nutherguy> heh - it works
[14:59:33] <Bytram_dewey> orly? Kewel!
[14:59:41] <Bytram_dewey> really gtg -- laters
[15:02:36] <nutherguy> I bet TheMightyBuzzard can't beat this fishing story
[15:02:53] <nutherguy> https://sputniknews.com
[15:02:55] <systemd> ^ 03Fisherman in Australia Accidentally Reels In Huge Crocodile - Video
[15:03:28] <lld> where's Steve Irwin when you need him
[15:03:38] <nutherguy> six feet under?
[15:04:15] <lld> yeah, he can't wrestle with the croc
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[15:07:26] <nutherguy> =submit https://sputniknews.com
[15:07:29] <systemd> Submitting "Action-Packed Footage Shows Royal Navy Using Iron Man-Style Jet Suits to Practice Storming Vessels"...
[15:07:50] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Action-Packed Footage Shows Royal Navy Using Iron Man-Style Jet Suits to Practice Storming Vessels" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:08:06] <lld> I guess grape shot is back on the menu
[15:10:58] <nutherguy> I think it's cranberry-grape these days
[15:11:45] <lld> cranberry flavored cold steel
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[15:25:40] <Fnord666> Yeah that will be really messy when a CWIS locks onto the jetsuit wearer.
[15:26:14] <nutherguy> =submit https://reclaimthenet.org
[15:26:16] <systemd> Submitting "Free speech social platform Gab gets record traffic after Twitter and Facebook censor Hunter Biden story"...
[15:26:37] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Free Speech Social Platform Gab Gets Record Traffic After Twitter and Facebook Censor Hunter Biden S" (15 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[16:08:28] <nutherguy> https://www.theguardian.com
[16:08:31] <systemd> ^ 03What I learned about male desire in a sex doll factory
[16:11:38] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.dkoding.in
[16:11:41] <systemd> Submitting "MED-EL: First Surgeries Ever in Europe with a Totally Implantable Cochlear Implant - DKODING"...
[16:12:05] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03MED-EL: First Surgeries Ever in Europe With a Totally Implantable Cochlear Implant - DKODING" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[16:16:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Proprietary Grapes Come With Draconian EULA - https://sylnt.us - patented-foods-taste-best
[16:20:59] <lld> >What I learned about male desire in a sex doll factory
[16:21:04] <lld> you could just ask you know
[16:21:48] <nutherguy> The dolls don't answer, do they?
[16:22:16] <lld> ask the buyers duh
[16:22:45] <nutherguy> Who wants to talk to creepy old dudes who buy sex dolls?
[16:23:08] <nutherguy> Joe Biden maybe?
[16:23:45] <lld> still better than interviewing yourself :)
[16:24:40] <nutherguy> When I interview myself, I get answers I can understand and agree with.
[16:25:10] <lld> yeah I can throw all the hard hitting questions and answer them perfectly
[16:25:35] <nutherguy> You meant "hard fapping questions"?
[16:26:08] <lld> sure, why now
[17:32:39] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
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[18:12:02] <c0lo> =submit https://www.youtube.com
[18:12:05] <systemd> Submitting "Is Success Luck or Hard Work?"...
[18:12:26] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Is Success Luck or Hard Work?" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:25:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 10,000-Year-old Footprints Show Journey of Squirmy Toddler and Caregiver - https://sylnt.us - whistle^W-wiggle-while-you-work^W-walk
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[18:53:24] <FatPhil> was quietly a-browsin' teh nettywebs, and suddenly I come across this image: http://home.hiwaay.net
[20:25:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 3TB of Clips From Hacked Home Security Cameras Posted Online - https://sylnt.us - mirror-mirror-on-the-wall
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[21:45:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> nutherguy, pffft, i caught a 14" jon boat a couple years ago.
[21:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to throw it back though, the owner was insistent.
[21:47:35] <Bytram_dewey> TheMightyBuzzard: a 14" jon boat? Who was the owner? A lilliputan?
[21:47:42] <Bytram_dewey> =g "7afa57bf775985db1bb53c85146b35889b71f703"
[21:47:43] <systemd> [0 results]
[21:47:51] <Bytram_dewey> thas not good
[21:48:08] <Bytram_dewey> =g "e105e9db980a9d5c21ff7cb730d61eab"
[21:48:09] <systemd> [0 results]
[21:48:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> errant shift
[21:48:55] <Bytram_dewey> nod nod
[21:49:10] * Bytram_dewey is a might bit frustrated
[21:49:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> take a nap. cures many things.
[21:49:56] <Bytram_dewey> did a D/L of Ubuntu Mate 20.04.1 ISO, and hashes are not looking good :/
[21:50:39] <Bytram_dewey> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[21:51:22] <Bytram_dewey> See my hashes above; does anyone else get the same hash that I did?
[21:54:07] <Bytram_dewey> I thought there *might* have been an issue w/ the d/l, so I made a backup copy and did another d/l (while I had access to HiFi). Both copies have the same md5hash
[21:54:59] * Bytram_dewey steps away for a few minutes to make a bite to eat and to consider the situation
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[22:09:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> Bytram_dewey: Downloading it now; ETA ~6min.
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[22:13:36] <nutherguy> those hashes do not look good Bytram_dewey
[22:16:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> andrew@ganymede:~/Downloads/Operating Systems Disc Images$ md5sum ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:16:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> e105e9db980a9d5c21ff7cb730d61eab ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:19:26] <nutherguy> So the two of you have downloaded the same image - but it doesn't match the published hash
[22:20:20] <nutherguy> http://www.releases.ubuntu.com
[22:20:55] <nutherguy> I notice that the previous release has both SHA and MD5 hashes published, this one does not
[22:21:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> neither of those are the MATE version, though.
[22:21:22] <carny> can we get somebody from cannonical on the phone and explain to them that distributing checksum files over http defeats the purpose?
[22:22:02] <nutherguy> Thanks carny - I missed that entirely, never even looked for the "secure" thingy
[22:22:39] <Bytram_dewey> well that's ... interesting
[22:23:54] <Bytram_dewey> I'd like to think that someone, somewhere has published *their* sums somewhere that's available on a secure connection, but a google search on the sums I got seem to come up empty.
[22:24:58] <Bytram_dewey> that said (written) I'm getting something funky when I try to do a sha256 hash... it asks for a password? Is it supposed to? What should I enter?
[22:25:33] <nutherguy> This page doesn't have your hashes either - https://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[22:25:34] <systemd> ^ 03Ubuntu MATE 20.04.1 LTS (Focal Fossa)
[22:26:20] <nutherguy> I think canonical has been HACKED!!!
[22:26:25] <Bytram_dewey> I did a download of those hashes, did not match what I got, hence my coming here for reinforcements!
[22:27:05] <nutherguy> It's probably the Russians or the Chinese or the Iranians, unless it's the Ganymedians
[22:27:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> :)
[22:27:58] <halibut> I appear to get the same MD5 as listed above (e105e9...) ... but that is for ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso.
[22:28:06] <Bytram_dewey> I know what happened! I forgot my -- towel!
[22:28:15] <nutherguy> heh
[22:28:20] <halibut> The checksums on the page are for ubuntu-mate-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso (note the missing ``.1'').
[22:28:28] <halibut> I am downloading that to check.
[22:28:32] <Bytram_dewey> hmmm
[22:28:34] <Bytram_dewey> brb
[22:28:50] <halibut> Downloading checksums via HTTP should be fine as long as you also download the .gpg files and verify them (which I did).
[22:29:18] <halibut> (assuming you trust the GnuPG key ...)
[22:29:47] <halibut> (but at some point you need to realize that you are trusting Ubuntu as well ...)
[22:30:27] <nutherguy> http://www.releases.ubuntu.com
[22:30:51] <Bytram_dewey> sha256 ubuntu-mate-20.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:30:54] <Bytram_dewey> Enter passphrase:
[22:30:55] <nutherguy> it says 20.04.1 in the text, but not in the page title
[22:31:11] <Bytram_dewey> ^^^ what should I enter for a passphrase?
[22:31:37] <nutherguy> no idea, maybe social security number?
[22:31:48] <AndyTheAbsurd> leave it blank?
[22:32:33] <Bytram_dewey> I get "mojibake" in the output:
[22:32:34] <Bytram_dewey> ��B��șo�$'�A�d��L��xR�Umartyb@E6410-001:~/Downloads$
[22:32:44] <halibut> Gesundheit.
[22:33:04] <Bytram_dewey> Gracias!
[22:33:14] <halibut> I think you want to run: sha256sum <filename>
[22:33:17] <Bytram_dewey> Oops, sorry! Merci!
[22:33:23] <Bytram_dewey> I did
[22:33:34] <halibut> Better still, use the file they give: sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS
[22:33:50] <halibut> (I just noticed that SHA256SUMS has a checksum for both versions in it, unlike the MD5SUMS and SHA1SUMS).
[22:34:11] <halibut> You wrote sha256 earlier, did you mean sha256sum?
[22:34:34] <Bytram_dewey> nope, that is what I entered... that could be it
[22:35:50] <Bytram_dewey> that was it. here's what I got:
[22:35:50] <Bytram_dewey> c78cbaa40de6189e61ed5a70967d9a28148d72e9080441a55a578ee5f69d6065 ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:36:28] <nutherguy> looks like a match?
[22:36:33] <halibut> These are all for the file I downloaded from the URL Bytram gave:
[22:36:33] <halibut> e105e9db980a9d5c21ff7cb730d61eab *ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:36:41] <halibut> 7afa57bf775985db1bb53c85146b35889b71f703 *ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:36:48] <halibut> c78cbaa40de6189e61ed5a70967d9a28148d72e9080441a55a578ee5f69d6065 *ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:36:58] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 10 is Installing Office Web Apps Without Asking Permission - https://sylnt.us - because-Microsoft?
[22:37:15] <halibut> The last one matches the value given in SHA256SUMS on the download page for the ISO, which I verified with GnuPG.
[22:37:15] <Bytram_dewey> and *that* did matchthe value in the file SHA256SUMS
[22:37:33] <Bytram_dewey> =g "c78cbaa40de6189e61ed5a70967d9a28148d72e9080441a55a578ee5f69d6065"
[22:37:34] <systemd> https://distrowatch.com - DistroWatch Weekly
[22:37:37] <nutherguy> Yeah, I compared it, looks the same, but my eyes start swimming
[22:37:51] <Bytram_dewey> grep is my friend :)
[22:37:53] <halibut> The other two are NOT in their respective *SUMS files, because, for whatever reasons, they do not have the 20.04.1 file listed.
[22:39:25] <Bytram_dewey> Yay! My sha256sum (c78cbaa40de6189e61ed5a70967d9a28148d72e9080441a55a578ee5f69d6065) *is* on: https://distrowatch.com and is the sum shown for: ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[22:39:27] <systemd> ^ 03DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD.
[22:39:40] <halibut> Sounds like we are in agreement that the download worked.
[22:39:53] <Bytram_dewey> nutherguy++ thanks for the help!
[22:39:53] <Bender> karma - nutherguy: 7
[22:40:01] <Bytram_dewey> halibut++ thank you!
[22:40:01] <Bender> karma - halibut: 6
[22:40:02] <nutherguy> no prob
[22:40:26] <Bytram_dewey> AndyTheAbsurd++ many thanks!
[22:40:26] <Bender> karma - andytheabsurd: 46
[22:40:29] <halibut> You are welcome.
[22:40:31] <Bytram_dewey> teamwork++
[22:40:31] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 53
[22:42:02] <carny> of course distrowatch would be a prime target for compromise and they probably downloaded their sum files over http ;]
[22:42:12] <halibut> Using Google to find hashes online has got to be one of the least efficient ways of implementing a distributed hash table.
[22:42:27] <carny> and easiest to compromise
[22:42:50] <Bytram_dewey> Might not be efficient, but it is convenient :D
[22:43:54] <halibut> Pretty amazing that you can search for the hash directly, instead of ``<imagename> sha256 checksum'' and try to find the appropriate hash there.
[22:48:35] <requerdanos> "My Eyes Started Swimming" <-- for some reason this happens to me a lot
[22:49:13] * nutherguy suspects it has something to do with age requerdanos
[22:49:33] <requerdanos> same.
[22:49:33] <Bytram_dewey> chances are there are few hex strings of that length appearing as plain text ... if I find it on a secure page, that tends to give me some confidence. find it on a few pages, is even better!
[22:49:42] <Bytram_dewey> =g "c78cbaa40de6189e61ed5a70967d9a28148d72e9080441a55a578ee5f69d6065"
[22:49:42] <systemd> https://distrowatch.com - DistroWatch Weekly
[22:50:06] <Bytram_dewey> =g "c78cbaa40de6189e61ed5a70967d9a28148d72e9080441a55a578ee5f69d6065" -DistroWatch
[22:50:07] <systemd> [0 results]
[22:50:14] <Bytram_dewey> welp
[22:53:23] <Bytram_dewey> but the fact that we all came up withthe same hash suggests we all downloaded the same file, and thanks to the check of the gpg data... that gives me a pretty good confidence (unless the NSA is much craftier at breaking encryption than I can imagine)
[22:54:31] <halibut> ... or Ubuntu decided to produce a compromised image. No matter how carefully you check integrity, that cannot protect you against an insider attack.
[22:54:58] <halibut> Actually, as they point out, Ubuntu is hosting these images, but Ubuntu does not produce them.
[22:54:59] <Bytram_dewey> tru dat
[22:56:51] <halibut> I suppose some of those instances of Ubuntu should be replaced with Canonical.
[22:57:17] <Bytram_dewey> Oh, quick question for this noob? How should I copy the ISO to a usb stick so that it is bootable? By USB stick is at...
[22:57:21] <Bytram_dewey> lsblk
[22:57:47] <Bytram_dewey> sdc 8:32 1 14.8G 0 disk
[22:57:47] <Bytram_dewey> └─sdc1 8:33 1 14.8G 0 part /media/martyb/USB DISK
[22:58:05] <halibut> Presumably, you do not mind wiping any data currently on the USB drive?
[22:58:18] <halibut> Including wiping the partition table?
[22:58:19] <Bytram_dewey> brand new
[22:59:27] <halibut> Try: dd if=ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=1M status=progress
[23:00:01] <halibut> Note that you are writing to the device itself (/dev/sdc) not the partition (/dev/sdc1). That way, any partition table in the ISO will be used to create new partitions on the device.
[23:00:21] <halibut> Since the ISO does not know the size of the device, though, my guess is it does not provide a partition table.
[23:00:28] <halibut> Instead, it will be a single bootable image.
[23:00:28] <Bytram_dewey> relative paths are supported? good good
[23:00:28] <Bytram_dewey> k
[23:01:11] <halibut> Since you do not care about the data on the USB drive, if this does not work, you can always zero it, produce a new partition table, and put a new filesystem on it.
[23:01:34] <Bytram_dewey> doh! Need sudo
[23:01:51] <Bytram_dewey> password
[23:02:12] <Bytram_dewey> transfer in progress!
[23:02:36] <Bytram_dewey> is gonna take a bit
[23:07:46] <Bytram_dewey> done!
[23:08:08] <Bytram_dewey> Now, how do I check to ensure the copy was good?
[23:10:21] <Bytram_dewey> is there a comparison command that will work directly with the device, or do I need to copy from the USB to a file (using dd) and then doing a sum of *that* file?
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[23:11:28] <Bytram_dewey> sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=foo.iso bs=1M status=progress
[23:11:49] <Bytram_dewey> ??
[23:12:15] <Bytram_dewey> one way to find out!
[23:12:22] * Bytram_dewey tries it
[23:13:18] <halibut> You can also do: sha256sum /dev/sdc
[23:13:26] <Bytram_dewey> lol!
[23:13:40] <halibut> Scratch that. Neither will quite work.
[23:14:11] <halibut> Both will read the entire device, which is probably larger than the ISO file you started with.
[23:14:33] <Bytram_dewey> will find out soon
[23:14:42] <halibut> You will want to stop your dd command once foo.iso is larger than your original ISO file, and then truncate it to the size of the original ISO, before comparing them.
[23:14:43] <requerdanos> you could use one of the two most popular methods, "faith" or "tias" (Try It And See)
[23:14:50] <Bytram_dewey> yup
[23:15:23] <Bytram_dewey> or... use cut?
[23:16:32] <halibut> cut is perhaps one way. However, since this is a DVD ISO, the ISO is likely to have a size that is a multiple of 2k. In this particular case (using the version I downloaded), it appears to be a multiple of 256k.
[23:16:40] <halibut> In that case, try this:
[23:16:57] <halibut> dd if=/dev/sdc of=foo.iso bs=256k count=9709 status=progress
[23:17:04] <halibut> (prefaced by sudo)
[23:17:18] <Bytram_dewey> cut -b1-2540699648 foo.iso > bar.iso
[23:18:34] <halibut> I thought the file size was: 2545156096
[23:18:34] <Bytram_dewey> I like yours better
[23:19:37] <Bytram_dewey> yes, I copied the wrong line from the output from dd
[23:21:16] <Bytram_dewey> sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=foo.iso bs=256k count=9709 status=progress
[23:21:23] <Bytram_dewey> in progress!
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[23:23:17] <halibut> Something like diff -qs ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso foo.iso should work for comparing the files when that finished.
[23:23:28] <halibut> Or use sha256sum again.
[23:24:04] <Bytram_dewey> md5sum foo.iso ubuntu-mate-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:24:13] <Bytram_dewey> sums matched!
[23:26:43] * Bytram_dewey ejects and removed USB stick
[23:27:04] <halibut> Oh ... I forgot to say it would have been best to unmount it before writing to /dev/sdc ... oh well.
[23:27:31] <halibut> The copy worked, and that's what is important here.
[23:28:09] <Bytram_dewey> in this case,I used the eject "button" (underlined carat "^") provided by caja
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[23:30:14] <Bytram_dewey> now comes the "fun" part; restarting this system to let the update-in-place for 18.04.? to complete
[23:30:45] * Bytram_dewey was some windows and things to close first
[23:31:01] <Bytram_dewey> s/w/h/
[23:31:01] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> has some windows and things to close first
[23:31:13] <c0lo> S/N /comments.pl#post_comment fails for me with "Connection reset"
[23:31:48] <Bytram_dewey> did you retry it?
[23:32:03] <c0lo> A 4th time now.
[23:32:09] <Bytram_dewey> c0lo: k
[23:32:27] <Bytram_dewey> on the site, proper? or thru the api?
[23:32:39] <c0lo> Proper.
[23:32:54] <Bytram_dewey> still logged in?
[23:33:49] <c0lo> Yeap. Just opened S/N on another tab. Logged in a'right.
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[23:35:52] <Bytram_dewey> c0lo: any ... funky ... chars in it?
[23:36:14] <AzumaHazuki> that floating desk is a no-go...going to have to return all the bits'n'bobs. stud finder gives inconsistent and very, very weird results. this old victorian is probably a mess of wires and ducts behind the walls
[23:36:29] <c0lo> Connection Reset Firefox page - no response.
[23:36:51] <Bytram_dewey> hmmmm
[23:36:57] <c0lo> "Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to soylentnews.org. PR_CONNECT_RESET_ERROR"
[23:37:42] <Bytram_dewey> try this... it's a reply to an existing comment?
[23:38:15] <c0lo> If you can't repro or see it in the logs, don't bother. It may be funny buggers from my VPN
[23:38:30] <c0lo> Yeap. A grinning reply.
[23:38:46] * Bytram_dewey would not know where un the logs to look :/
[23:39:27] <Bytram_dewey> right click on the comment ID of the comment you want to reply to and select "open in new tab"
[23:39:47] <Bytram_dewey> it's the number that's a bit over 1 million
[23:41:17] <Bytram_dewey> c0lo: then see if you can copy/paste the comment into the new tab
[23:41:18] <c0lo> It opens fine. It's the post my reply to it that fails.
[23:42:15] <c0lo> In another tab "SoylentNews requires you to wait longer between hitting 'reply' and submitting a comment. It's been 4 seconds since you hit 'reply'."
[23:42:26] <Bytram_dewey> nod nod. just trying to give a different stqrting point for your comment to come from.
[23:43:19] <Bytram_dewey> c0lo: that's strange. you're a subscriber, right?
[23:44:27] <Bytram_dewey> did you accidentally select "post anonymously" (examine the checkbox in your reply)
[23:45:19] * Bytram_dewey is running out of ideas
[23:46:08] * Bytram_dewey decides to procrastinate and to his dishes in hopes something will come to mond after he steps away
[23:46:12] <c0lo> The posting from the new tab finally got through.
[23:53:55] <Bytram_dewey> Yay!
[23:54:21] <Bytram_dewey> break time -- back in a few minutes or so