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[00:18:37] <AzumaHazuki> got a new mattress coming tuesday :) i got it for $216 including taxes. it's nothing fancy but it's better than this crap futon
[00:18:54] * AzumaHazuki is going to see about getting wood^W lumber at home depot and building a simple frame again
[00:20:13] <nutherguy> you can make a nice bedframe with a half dozen milk crates
[00:21:59] <AzumaHazuki> ...even for me that's ghetto
[00:24:14] <nutherguy> Nahhhh, seems more trailer park to me
[00:24:27] <nutherguy> https://www.washingtontimes.com
[00:24:28] <systemd> ^ 03Rapper who boasted about unemployment fraud scheme arrested
[00:24:49] <nutherguy> dude got rapped on the head too many times
[00:25:12] <AzumaHazuki> trailer park is ghetto, honey
[00:26:21] * nutherguy would differ
[00:27:09] <AzumaHazuki> of course you would, sweetie :)
[00:27:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Lockdowns Cut Personal Noise Exposure by Nearly Half, Study Finds - https://sylnt.us - Shhhhh!
[00:28:52] <requerdanos> trailer park is literally and figuratively ghetto
[00:29:47] <AzumaHazuki> yeah but he won't admit that because then he'd be no different from...well, from the sort of people he refers to with a double-G
[00:30:22] <requerdanos> "good guys"?
[00:30:53] <AzumaHazuki> nope. 2 Gs in a row, in one word
[00:31:17] <nutherguy> "Shoot me nigga!"
[00:31:36] <nutherguy> how come no one condemned that privileged white dude for using that word?
[00:31:59] <nutherguy> https://www.zerohedge.com
[00:32:00] <systemd> ^ 03Federal Court Rebukes D.C. Mayor's Double-Standard On Church Services And BLM Protests
[00:32:47] <nutherguy> "capital hill baptist church"
[00:32:47] <AzumaHazuki> the last time i heard something go "butbutbutbutbutbut" so much, so loudly, and so constantly was when my neighbor was trying to start his old lawnmower
[00:33:47] <nutherguy> That stupid television series from years ago - "in your neighborhood the grass is never green"
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[00:48:34] <c0lo> "trailer park is literally and figuratively ghetto" says the girl who dreams of making her home from containers (large grin)
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[00:50:17] <guy_> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[00:50:18] <systemd> ^ 03WOW! Fact Checkers Rule Joe Biden Did Not Call Young Black Men "Super Predators" - He Called Young Black Men "Predators - Beyond the Pale - Antisocial and Sociopaths"
[00:51:41] <requerdanos> what the heck is the fascination with black people in this channel
[00:53:41] <guy_> now this is awesome people
[00:53:46] <guy_> https://www.upi.com
[00:53:47] <systemd> ^ 03Owl boards helicopter fighting California wildfire
[00:54:34] <guy_> If anyone is wondering, I think it's a gray owl
[00:56:37] <c0lo> @requerdanos black people it's a key demographic for electoral purposes. Additionally, they become fed up about how they are treated.
[00:57:18] <guy_> isn't there an app for that? iPOC
[00:57:46] <c0lo> The moment the current context is gone, the fascination stops. Until next time, that is.
[00:58:52] <requerdanos> I think I might, might not be seeing patterns where connections don't exist or are tenuous
[00:59:02] <c0lo> @guy_ If there is an iPOC, why do you have the compulsion to spew that non-sense? (not even about POC)
[01:00:52] * guy_ scrolls up
[01:01:09] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: runaway is,among his other failings, deeply racist, and is constantly bringing them up so he can show how not-racist he is and how loudly he does not say "nigger"
[01:01:13] * guy_ tries to figure out who introduced the double g word into this channel
[01:01:32] * guy_ believes it was 'Zumi
[01:01:33] <requerdanos> for the context of my current inquiries, it was ethanol-fueled, yesterday
[01:01:33] <AzumaHazuki> you, fuckstick. you not-said it so loud it was like a siren
[01:01:52] <c0lo> Tenous connection always happens at US election time. How else you don't run of mud to slink?
[01:02:12] <guy_> so, once again, 'Zumi attacks me and tries to make it sound like I'm a racist
[01:02:13] <AzumaHazuki> if you think this cheap, flaking layer of feigned civility masks the utter rottenness under the surface, runaway, you're delusional. quit insulting our intelligence.
[01:02:17] <c0lo> s/run of/run out of/
[01:02:17] <SedBot> <c0lo> Tenous connection always happens at US election time. How else you don't run out of mud to slink?
[01:03:05] <AzumaHazuki> your credibility's shot to shit. random ACs on the forum are starting to dismiss you out of hand
[01:03:16] <requerdanos> It's just that some of the regulars are not all that distinguishable from said ethanol-fueled
[01:03:21] <guy_> [10/16/2019:29:47] <AzumaHazuki> yeah but he won't admit that because then he'd be no different from...well, from the sort of people he refers to with a double-G
[01:03:48] <AzumaHazuki> indeed...your insistence that "trailer park" isn't "ghetto" is exactly that
[01:03:49] <c0lo> @guy_ not 'Zumi's fault that you actually sound as a racist. You keep with them, you get infected by them.
[01:04:08] <guy_> no one made any mention of race or color until that entry by 'Zumi
[01:04:19] <guy_> no one
[01:04:30] <AzumaHazuki> dude...context. what you say has very obvious undertones
[01:04:36] <AzumaHazuki> stop insulting our intelligence
[01:04:50] <guy_> context? There were ghettos long before the United States existes
[01:05:08] <guy_> remember the term pogroms?
[01:05:42] <guy_> you started this because you wanted to be triggered 'Zumi
[01:05:51] <AzumaHazuki> taken as a whole, your post history shows clear evidence of deep-seated racism. do i need to link that journal entry of mine where i quote your disasturbation over a potential civil war and your willingness to sacrifice millions of lives so your "grandkids won't be slaves to make brown and black people happy?"
[01:05:54] <guy_> now that you're triggered, how do you feel?
[01:06:08] <guy_> you're so full of shit your eyes are brown
[01:06:12] <AzumaHazuki> sorry runaway, but this schtick isn't working :)
[01:06:23] <guy_> doesn't have to work
[01:06:30] <AzumaHazuki> your credibility died ages ago. you don't know when to shut the fuck up, and you forget the internet has a long memory
[01:06:43] <guy_> run at the mouth some more
[01:06:53] <guy_> pure hatred
[01:07:02] <AzumaHazuki> just truth :)
[01:07:16] <AzumaHazuki> you don't r8 my h8, m8
[01:07:17] <guy_> thank you for admitting that it is just truth - you hate
[01:07:25] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, fucking really? :D
[01:07:31] <guy_> awwwww, isn't that cute?
[01:07:37] <AzumaHazuki> i've reduced you to the level of a 7 year old in 30 secons
[01:07:54] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: you are seeing this in real time. look at what happens when he's cornered
[01:08:05] <guy_> tell me about 8 year old
[01:08:09] <guy_> <AzumaHazuki> you don't r8 my h8, m8
[01:08:11] <requerdanos> you two bicker?
[01:08:27] <AzumaHazuki> look at the change in what he's saying and what he's being reduced to
[01:08:35] <guy_> scroll up and see who started attacking whom first
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[01:08:53] <guy_> lol
[01:09:01] <guy_> hey bytram
[01:09:07] <AzumaHazuki> "whaa, whaaaa, you hate meeeee! so hateful! (so anything you say is wrong and i am absolved of all guilt for the things you're pointing out i did)"
[01:09:16] <AzumaHazuki> childish magical thinking
[01:10:07] <guy_> keep going
[01:10:23] <AzumaHazuki> why? I think i've explained it pretty well
[01:10:31] <requerdanos> how do you guys think the town halls went
[01:10:35] <AzumaHazuki> all i did here was put into words what we can all see you're doing
[01:10:37] <guy_> but you're on a roll
[01:10:49] <guy_> you put words in my mouth is what you mean
[01:10:53] <AzumaHazuki> nope :)
[01:11:10] <guy_> yep, it's in the logs
[01:11:20] <requerdanos> careful, the logs are public
[01:11:23] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos (and anyone else interested): https://soylentnews.org this is that journal i meant. look at that big blockquote
[01:11:28] <systemd> ^ 03Journal of Azuma Hazuki (5086)
[01:11:28] <guy_> yep, public logs
[01:11:47] <AzumaHazuki> runaway, you remind me a lot of Rudy Giuliani
[01:12:04] <guy_> Awwwwwww, one more time 'Zumi goes back to a post that she can't even understand
[01:12:15] <AzumaHazuki> oh i think i understood it plenty well :)
[01:12:22] <AzumaHazuki> as does anyone else who reads it
[01:12:41] <guy_> if/when a race war happens, do you think you're going to be magically black or something?
[01:12:53] <requerdanos> you know, I know i should just let the train wreck play itself out, but I gotta interject--which is it? She is putting the words into your mouth, or they are already your words and she just doesn't understand them? Can't have it both ways
[01:13:03] <AzumaHazuki> :D exactly
[01:13:16] <guy_> in this conversation she puts words in my mouth
[01:13:36] <guy_> in that post she refers to, she can't undertand, so she ASSumes a lot of shit
[01:13:56] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: well, just read that quoted post of his, and judge between what he's saying and what i'm saying
[01:13:57] <guy_> context is everything
[01:14:24] <requerdanos> so now I am seen as a judge. sorry, back to letting the train wreck play itself out.
[01:14:32] <guy_> LOL
[01:14:38] <AzumaHazuki> no need to judge, exactly. just...well, read it. opinions will form
[01:15:26] <AzumaHazuki> "And, I, for one, am not willing that my grandchildren should be cast into some third-rate citizen role, to make those brown or black people happy." This is textbook "white genocide" paranoia. Jesus.
[01:15:56] * Bytram_dewey wakes from his nap to the sounds of kickering children
[01:15:58] <guy_> Read the REST of that post - NO ONE should be second or third rate citizens
[01:16:11] <requerdanos> hi bytram :)
[01:16:28] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, yeah, you like to quote Dr. King selectively, we all know it. oldest trick in the mid-20th-century racist handbook
[01:17:24] <Bytram_dewey> "Say whatg you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean."
[01:17:43] <Bytram_dewey> legcramps--
[01:17:43] <Bender> karma - legcramps: -17
[01:17:44] <guy_> [10/16/2019:29:47] <AzumaHazuki> yeah but he won't admit that because then he'd be no different from...well, from the sort of people he refers to with a double-G
[01:18:04] <guy_> it all starts right there bytram
[01:18:25] <requerdanos> Sigh. So do you, in fact, "admit" that a trailer park is an instance of class ghetto?
[01:18:41] <Bytram_dewey> Friend of winnie the poo? T I double-G er!
[01:18:51] <AzumaHazuki> dude...every single post you make about race is loaded with dogwhistles so loud the entire neighborhood starts barking. occasionally you fuck up and don't cover up enough, like that post i quited, and your mask slips
[01:18:53] <guy_> trailer parks have grasses and trees and maybe some brooks and streams around them
[01:18:59] <guy_> ghettos not so much
[01:19:29] <requerdanos> so the statement that you won't admit the relation between the things in question is a true one.
[01:19:57] <guy_> The statement that I differentiate between a city ghetto and a trailer park is true
[01:20:01] <requerdanos> there are pretty ghettos and ugly trailer parks; your grass-and-trees theory isn't all that helpful.
[01:20:33] <guy_> BTW, we do all realize that trailer parks have black and white people in them?
[01:20:34] <AzumaHazuki> every time that jackass opens his mouth on racial issues, every dog in a 10 mile radius starts barking
[01:20:37] <Bytram_dewey> =g "Back to the future" "give me a Tab
[01:20:38] <systemd> https://backtothefuture.fandom.com - Tab | Futurepedia | Fandom
[01:21:03] * guy_ expects the dogs to hear the dog whistle
[01:21:05] <requerdanos> Do you mean that trailer parks are limited only to black and white people, or that black and white people are among the people groups represented?
[01:21:35] <guy_> I mean that trailer parks aren't exclusive to white people
[01:22:13] <requerdanos> okay. I personally understand that many different people groups have representatives living in trailer parks. I have lived in them myself, with diverse neighbors.
[01:22:26] <guy_> additionally, I've already made it abundantly clear that ghettos aren't exclusive to black peole
[01:22:48] <guy_> divers neighbors too
[01:23:10] <guy_> nothing like driving into a trailer park and seeing a boat trailer with a bunch of diving gear laid out
[01:23:11] <requerdanos> I also personally understand that many different people groups have representatives living in ghettos.
[01:23:31] <guy_> it was only 'Zumi who made the distinction racial
[01:23:49] <AzumaHazuki> s/made the distinction racial/pointed out the dogwhistle/
[01:24:03] <requerdanos> she said you won't admit the relation between the things in question; we have established that as "true"
[01:24:06] * guy_ expects dogs to hear dogwhistles
[01:24:14] <AzumaHazuki> you're so full of shit they could use you to blow up Beirut again, runaway
[01:24:32] <guy_> who started off with the double g word?
[01:24:44] <requerdanos> it's a recurring theme.
[01:24:56] <AzumaHazuki> ^ this
[01:25:11] <guy_> yes ^ this
[01:25:23] <requerdanos> perhaps it was apk, perhaps the gnaa troll(s), perhaps e-f, perhaps the less-extreme but still "out there" regular site users.
[01:25:45] <AzumaHazuki> every single goddamn time you say something even remotely involving ethnicity or race it's seething with barely-concealed mediocre white Boomer resentment, runaway
[01:25:56] <requerdanos> I am not sure looking ever back to see "who started it!" is as productive as answering "what is this fascination with racism"
[01:25:58] <AzumaHazuki> and then you think that because you don't directly drop the N-bomb you're not actually racist
[01:26:11] <guy_> that's your hatred making you hear the barely concealed racist hatred
[01:26:14] <AzumaHazuki> the worst part of that is you implicitly assume everyone else is as stupid as you or stupider
[01:26:17] <guy_> I do not harbor that hatred
[01:26:39] <AzumaHazuki> and then when called out on it, you pull this "butbutbut hAAAAAAAaaaAAAaTTTttEeeeEE!" bullshit. which is both irrelevant and false
[01:26:41] <requerdanos> maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time, i hope neither the last.
[01:26:42] <guy_> Whatever you say Miss 92nd Percentile
[01:26:52] <AzumaHazuki> oh yeah, and these puerile little insults
[01:27:00] <AzumaHazuki> you know i've got you dead to rights
[01:27:20] <guy_> Wasn't me who posted 92 percentile in an effort to intimidate the lesser beings
[01:27:48] <Bytram_dewey> How about ignoring the personal attacks (however enjoyable they may seem) and try discussion of issues
[01:27:51] <AzumaHazuki> fucking hell this is insulting. you actually think everyone else is as stupid as you. what kind of solipsistic shitpile do you have for a mind?
[01:28:07] <requerdanos> I am not much of a moderator, it seems
[01:28:15] * guy_ says OK Bytram
[01:28:18] <Bytram_dewey> that was NOT a good example
[01:29:10] * guy_ wanders to the kitchen to brew coffee
[01:29:14] <guy_> coffee++
[01:29:14] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5372
[01:29:53] <Bytram_dewey> whereto? https://archive.is
[01:29:55] <systemd> ^ 03Attention Required! ( https://archive.is )
[01:30:09] <Bytram_dewey> bah
[01:30:29] <Bytram_dewey> =g "Tab, Coca-Cola’s Diet-Soda Pioneer and a ’70s Icon, Is Going Away"
[01:30:30] <systemd> https://www.wsj.com - Tab, Coca-Cola's Diet-Soda Pioneer and a '70s Icon, Is Going Away ...
[01:30:40] <requerdanos> corona-casualty-land, I suppose
[01:30:59] <requerdanos> along with businesses started this year such as the xfl
[01:31:21] * guy_ listens to dear wife nattering about a coffee thief
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[01:32:41] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> https://www.nbcsandiego.com
[01:32:42] <systemd> ^ 03San Diego Unified School District Changes Grading System to ‘Combat Racism'
[01:32:45] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[01:32:51] <requerdanos> ah, here's the gentleman I was referring to earlier.
[01:32:54] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> "Students will no longer be graded based on a yearly average, or on how late they turn in assignments. "
[01:33:14] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> "“This is part of our honest reckoning as a school district,” says SDUSD Vice President Richard Barrera. “If we’re actually going to be an anti-racist school district, we have to confront practices like this that have gone on for years and years.”"
[01:33:17] <requerdanos> recurring theme, see?
[01:33:58] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> "Another big change, teachers can no longer consider non-material factors when grading. Things like turning work in on time and classroom behavior will now instead count towards a student's citizenship grade, not their academic grade."
[01:34:02] <guy_> *yawn*
[01:34:09] <guy_> hello EF
[01:34:12] <AzumaHazuki> "gentleman"
[01:34:21] <guy_> just so you know this IS a bad time for that shit
[01:34:26] <AzumaHazuki> that's...stretching a term to the point it screams
[01:34:27] <Bytram_dewey> Niggaz_fo_Trump: hello EF
[01:34:34] <AzumaHazuki> i am pretty sure you need to use the rack for that
[01:34:36] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Hello Fellas
[01:35:02] <Bytram_dewey> please keep it civil -- I'd be happy to explain the word, if needed
[01:35:22] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> "After Patterson expressed concerns at this week’s meeting, the board will also review potential student disparities stemming from its zero-tolerance disciplinary policy on cheating in the coming weeks."
[01:35:45] <AzumaHazuki> Uh, this is Eth we're talking about. You know, SN's premier purveyor of homebrewed jenkem? "Not just the maker, he's also the #1 customer?"
[01:35:58] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Why is this a bad time for this "shit"? I'm only here to poke fun at clown world, not fling poo at the rest of you
[01:36:05] <AzumaHazuki> expecting civility out of him is a little like...well, like expecting integrity out of the GOP
[01:36:41] <requerdanos> We were discussing prejudice against minority groups in an effort to lift our hearts and consciences.
[01:36:43] * guy_ shrugs
[01:37:10] <guy_> Did someone mention a train wreck? ROFLMAO
[01:37:28] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: "we?" uh...
[01:37:53] <requerdanos> sure we were.
[01:38:03] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> People like me are the ones in the minority.
[01:38:17] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> We can't put signs up without having our property trashed
[01:38:21] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, you're a minority of one and thank fuck for that
[01:38:31] <guy_> People like you? I'm a minority of one, you have people like you
[01:38:34] <Bytram_dewey> there is a difference between "an expectation" and "a request"
[01:38:35] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> we can't have safe neighborhoods without bolsheviks constantly attempting to have us robbed and dead
[01:38:44] <requerdanos> see, I'm against that trashing of property thing.
[01:38:56] <requerdanos> I know, you ask for civility, and zumi immediately attacks poor e-f
[01:39:01] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> We can't be proud of our country without being called "nazis"
[01:39:13] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: Eth is a troll. responding to him is useless. he's a premier example of write-only memory besides =P
[01:39:20] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> We can't be skeptical of big business without being "paranoid loons"
[01:39:46] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Nowadays I'M the nigger. I smile at black people and get dirty looks
[01:39:53] <Bytram_dewey> "being proud" is one things -- the actions taken are another
[01:40:17] * guy_ doesn't smile at anyone - just smiles to himself
[01:40:27] <AzumaHazuki> doesn't that suck, Eth? people assuming you're dangerous or whatever just because of what you look like? hmmmm
[01:40:50] <AzumaHazuki> might there possibly be a lesson you could leaAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA fuck
[01:41:13] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Well, Azuma, until "certain people" decided to rip the scab off of race relations, this wasn't an issue in public on either side until early this year.
[01:41:44] <requerdanos> EF is a troll, sure, but what I was pointing out earlier is that sometimes, some of the "non-troll" regulars sound a lot like his spiel of jews-chinks-mexicans-niggers
[01:41:48] <guy_> Uhhhhh, EF, it has taken about ten years for things to percolate to the current level
[01:42:07] <guy_> The last 3 years have brought it to critical point
[01:42:08] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Well, "The Privileged" are not the ones who should be the arbiters of racial justice.
[01:42:21] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> "The Privileged" being the subject of a lot of my recent posts.
[01:42:51] <AzumaHazuki> you're not good at this "trolling for a cause" thing. not just because you've long since ruined your brand and credibility either
[01:43:13] <AzumaHazuki> that ship sailed, oh, half a decade ago
[01:43:31] <guy_> Well he does make a point - it's privileged white people doing most of the rioting
[01:43:35] <requerdanos> and some--Runaway here for instance--talk to him as if he were sane and spouting truth
[01:43:46] <Bytram_dewey> Niggaz_fo_Trump: that argument does not hold much weight
[01:44:12] <AzumaHazuki> ...bytram, he's not arguing in good faith. that is pretty much the definition of "troll"
[01:44:37] <guy_> and yet - there are kernels of truth spoken by the crazy one
[01:44:37] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> I have a feeling that everybody will be in a better mood after our election.
[01:44:38] <requerdanos> yeah, but the honorable person will assume good faith
[01:44:56] <AzumaHazuki> yes, which is what shitstains like runaway and Uzzard count on
[01:45:04] <AzumaHazuki> that in itself is "lulz" for them
[01:45:15] <AzumaHazuki> remember "troll" originates from a form of bait-fishing
[01:45:20] <requerdanos> I think there will be a big group of people in a much worse mood after the election, to be honest
[01:45:21] * guy_ hears "shitstains"
[01:45:58] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, people like you...ambulatory skidmarks on the underpants of society
[01:45:59] <Bytram_dewey> AzumaHazuki: please try and stick to the discussion and not the discusees
[01:46:28] <AzumaHazuki> what part of "trolls are not here for good-faith discussion" doesn't make sense? :/
[01:46:40] <Bytram_dewey> bad-mouthing someone tends to say more about the speaker than anything converyed about the target
[01:46:46] <AzumaHazuki> no it doesn't?
[01:46:59] <requerdanos> it's at least half and half, yeah
[01:49:29] <guy_> Awww, the funny looking kid has been busy . . .
[01:49:30] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Azuma, trolling is from "trawling," where you move at a slow speed to get the bait moving
[01:50:38] <AzumaHazuki> right, and just sort of...dangle it out there in the water to see what bites
[01:50:45] * Bytram_dewey would much rather go back to bed, but is struggling (instead) to push out stories -- subs queue is, umm, "non-ideal"
[01:51:20] <requerdanos> thanks for your work in that direction, oh finger lifter.
[01:51:44] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> If I'm the problem here, then ban me until after the election and let everybody know I was totally fine with that.
[01:52:11] <guy_> No, EF, you weren't the problem, you just had suckass timing LOL
[01:52:21] <requerdanos> I am not sure it's as simple at that. What guy said.
[01:52:23] <guy_> Or, I should say, you are a consistent problem
[01:53:26] <guy_> niggas_fo_trump could amuse himself with the channel log going back about 1 1/2 hours
[01:54:03] <c0lo> @requerdanos "We were discussing prejudice against minority groups in an effort to lift our hearts and consciences." -> * guy_ shrugs
[01:54:36] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> I'll check it out now.
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[01:54:59] <guy_> ROFLMAO
[01:55:43] <c0lo> But again, @requerdanos "I am not much of a moderator, it seems" - the effort is appreciated by *some* of us.
[01:56:05] <requerdanos> To be fair, I was stirring them up, too
[01:56:50] <c0lo> "Trolling for the rational side" is an oxymoron
[01:57:59] <requerdanos> well, sure, because trolling isn't a rational intellectual process
[01:58:05] <c0lo> As such the "too" in "I was stirring them up, too" is superfluous/contradictory
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[01:58:46] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> Look man, this rona + election situation is bumming everyboy out, including me.
[01:59:01] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> I'm seeing it tear apart families and decades-long friendships.
[01:59:34] * AzumaHazuki blinks...this is like seeing Beavis give a civics lecture
[01:59:34] <c0lo> s/is superfluous\/contradictory/is either superfluous or contradictory/
[01:59:34] <SedBot> <c0lo> As such the "too" in "I was stirring them up, too" is either superfluous or contradictory
[01:59:39] <guy_> You mean you have family and friends?
[02:00:58] <Bytram_dewey> =g "How to make firends and influence people"
[02:00:59] <systemd> https://www.facebook.com - How to Make Firends and Influence People | Facebook
[02:01:15] <Niggaz_fo_Trump> That's quite allright, I already know how to do that.
[02:01:18] <Bytram_dewey> =g "How to make friends and influence people"
[02:01:19] <systemd> https://www.amazon.com - How to Win Friends & Influence People: Dale Carnegie ...;
[02:01:26] * guy_ ponders one of life's important questions
[02:01:40] <guy_> Is anyone actually going to miss Tab when it's gone?
[02:01:58] <requerdanos> I never see anybody drink it, really
[02:02:32] * guy_ tries to remember the last time he saw a Tab that wasn't covered in dust on the grocery shelf
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[02:04:35] <AzumaHazuki> i've never had one. what does it taste like?
[02:04:39] <Bytram_dewey> It's in the story ;^)
[02:05:19] <Bytram_dewey> brown seltzer water with a metalic aftertaste
[02:06:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BleedingTooth: Critical Kernel Bluetooth Vulnerability - https://sylnt.us - bloody-gums
[02:06:14] <Bytram_dewey> If you crave a regular cola, and are trying to watch calories, it can become a replacement... with effort.
[02:07:07] <guy_> sacharine cola basically
[02:07:27] <Bytram_dewey> succinct++
[02:07:27] <Bender> karma - succinct: 1
[02:07:56] <Bytram_dewey> afk, biab
[02:09:50] * guy_ thinks back on all the times someone tried to sneak sacharine into a menu
[02:09:55] <guy_> it never worked
[02:10:15] <guy_> nutrasweet was yuck, but a lot less yuck than sacharine
[02:11:10] <requerdanos> I make kool-aid with saccharine. yum.
[02:16:59] * Bytram_dewey remembers being on a business trip to Austria in '97 and seeing sweeterner packets containing... cyclamates!
[02:17:08] <Bytram_dewey> =g cyclamates
[02:17:09] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Sodium cyclamate - Wikipedia
[02:17:46] <Bytram_dewey> aka long-ago banned in the USA as a known cancer-causing agent
[02:18:28] * guy_ has stubbornly resisted trying the stevia in the pantry
[02:19:07] <guy_> You've got to admit that cyclamate sounds cool -
[02:19:24] <guy_> "Me and my mate were cycling around downtown the other day."
[02:24:27] * Bytram_dewey suspects the "cucle" part has to do with the chemical structure
[02:25:33] <Bytram_dewey> ==> "IUPAC name sodium N-cyclohexylsulfamate"
[02:25:48] <Bytram_dewey> "Sodium cyclamate (sweetener code 952) is an artificial sweetener. It is 30–50 times sweeter than sucrose (table sugar), making it the least potent of the commercially used artificial sweeteners. It is often used with other artificial sweeteners, especially saccharin; the mixture of 10 parts cyclamate to 1 part saccharin is common and masks the off-tastes of both sweeteners.[1] It is less expensive than most sweeteners, including
[02:26:32] <Bytram_dewey> being banned in the United States and other countries, though the European Union considers them as safe."
[02:28:03] <guy_> turn your computer's olfactory reproduction circuit before viewing this video
[02:28:09] <guy_> https://mashable.com
[02:28:10] <systemd> ^ 03A giant corpse flower is in bloom just in time for Halloween
[02:33:29] <guy_> =submit https://www.space.com
[02:33:31] <systemd> Submitting "Cosmonauts patch small air leak on International Space Station: reports"...
[02:33:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Cosmonauts Patch Small Air Leak on International Space Station: Reports" (22 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:40:35] <guy_> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[02:40:40] <systemd> Submitting "Popeye would approve: Spinach could hold key to renewable fuel cell catalysts"...
[02:41:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Popeye Would Approve: Spinach Could Hold Key to Renewable Fuel Cell Catalysts" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:41:36] <Bytram_dewey> guy_: FYI: that last one looks familiar, may be a dupe
[02:46:39] <guy_> could be
[02:46:52] <guy_> here's a "danger Will Robinson" story
[02:47:09] <guy_> =submit https://www.mintpressnews.com
[02:47:11] <systemd> Submitting "FCC Head and Internet's Most Hated Man Ajit Pai Just Vowed to Kill First Amendment Rights Online"...
[02:47:21] <Bytram_dewey> Hmmm, does that make it a "Heisen-sub"?
[02:47:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03FCC Head and Internet's Most Hated Man Ajit Pai Just Vowed to Kill First Amendment Rights Online" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:47:34] * guy_ can't spell heisen
[02:48:03] <Bytram_dewey> =g heisenberg's uncertainty principle
[02:48:04] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Uncertainty principle - Wikipedia
[02:48:29] <guy_> Can he grill a good berger?
[02:48:53] <Bytram_dewey> looks uncertain!
[02:50:03] <guy_> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[02:50:05] <systemd> Submitting "AI localization tool claims to translate your words in your voice"...
[02:50:26] <guy_> that one could be really creepy
[02:50:27] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03AI Localization Tool Claims to Translate Your Words in Your Voice" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:53:19] <c0lo> #submit great way to make friends https://www.forbes.com
[02:53:19] <MrPlow> got http response code 404
[02:53:51] <Bytram_dewey> Yeah, but now try to synchronize the mouth and the sounds
[02:54:10] <Bytram_dewey> ==> lip readers go nutz
[02:54:49] <guy_> =submit https://phys.org
[02:54:53] <systemd> Submitting "Deep-sea corals reveal secrets of rapid carbon dioxide increase as the last ice age ended"...
[02:55:15] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Deep-sea Corals Reveal Secrets of Rapid Carbon Dioxide Increase as the Last Ice Age Ended" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:55:17] <c0lo> =submit hahaonlyserious https://www.tampabay.com
[02:55:18] <systemd> Submitting "Trump jokes he’ll fire DeSantis if he loses Florida. ‘I’ll find a way.’"...
[02:55:40] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Trump Jokes He’ll Fire DeSantis If He Loses Florida. ‘I’ll Find a Way.’" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:59:49] <guy_> https://mashable.com
[02:59:50] <systemd> ^ 03‘Time’ documents one family’s two-decade battle with incarceration
[03:00:24] <guy_> "The system is beautiful - it's the people"
[03:03:53] <guy_> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[03:03:56] <systemd> Submitting "Elon Musk’s Vegas loop won’t transport as many people as promised"...
[03:04:16] <guy_> wait - maybe ????
[03:04:17] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Elon Musk’s Vegas Loop Won’t Transport as Many People as Promised" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:04:55] <guy_> don't think that's a dupe
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[03:17:20] <guy_> https://babylonbee.com
[03:17:21] <systemd> ^ 03Governor Newsom Orders All Trees To Wear Masks To Prevent Spread Of Wildfires
[03:18:32] <c0lo> https://www.northjersey.com
[03:18:33] <systemd> ^ 03In this Pennsylvania town, racism 'was quiet.' Then Trump stoked fears of violence
[03:20:46] <guy_> =submit https://phys.org
[03:21:03] <systemd> Submitting "Arctic Ocean sediments reveal permafrost thawing during past climate warming"...
[03:21:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Arctic Ocean Sediments Reveal Permafrost Thawing During Past Climate Warming" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:23:27] <c0lo> "A federal judge in Pittsburgh was right to rule against the lawsuit by President Donald Trump’s campaign challenging Pennsylvania’s rules for mail voting and poll watchers." https://www.phillytrib.com
[03:24:19] <c0lo> ^ "U.S. District Judge J. Nicholas Ranjan, a Trump appointee, ruled that the campaign did not prove a serious threat of voter fraud."
[03:27:48] <guy_> Kitty is not especially photogenetic - they caught him on a bad day
[03:27:57] <guy_> https://www.upi.com
[03:27:58] <systemd> ^ 03Bobcat wanders aisles of Dollar General store in Kentucky
[03:28:17] <guy_> photogenic
[03:31:26] <guy_> https://www.rawstory.com
[03:31:27] <systemd> ^ 03US sailors helped Iran-flagged vessel in distress: coalition
[03:31:45] <c0lo> “What the heck were any of us thinking, that selling a TV-obsessed, narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?” https://www.vanityfair.com
[03:31:47] <systemd> ^ 03Ben Sasse, Who’s Served as Trump’s Footstool for Four Years, Now Has Bad Things to Say About Him
[03:36:08] <c0lo> https://www.pewresearch.org
[03:36:08] <systemd> ^ 03White Christians continue to favor Trump over Biden, but support has slipped
[03:38:42] <c0lo> https://www.pewresearch.org
[03:38:43] <systemd> ^ 03Latino voters have growing confidence in Biden on key issues, while confidence in Trump remains low
[03:39:00] <guy_> https://www.youtube.com
[03:39:01] <systemd> ^ 03✅ Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden’s campaign manager warned against trusting inflated n
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[03:42:37] <guy_> =submit https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com
[03:42:38] <systemd> Submitting "Kenosha protester confesses he 'fired off a warning shot' before Kyle Rittenhouse returned fire on three men"...
[03:43:00] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Kenosha Protester Confesses He 'Fired Off a Warning Shot' Before Kyle Rittenhouse Returned Fire on T" (89 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:46:59] <guy_> =submit https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[03:47:00] <systemd> Submitting "Portland: Antifa Terrorists Accuse Biracial Videographer of Being Proud Boy - Then Beat Him, Stomp Him and Steal His Phone (VIDEO)"...
[03:47:22] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Portland: Antifa Terrorists Accuse Biracial Videographer of Being Proud Boy - Then Beat Him, Stomp H" (18 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:47:23] <lld> this is southpark tier
[03:47:36] <lld> the southpark videogame showed this
[03:47:58] <lld> the SJW accuses you of being a nazi for bonus damage
[03:48:06] <lld> and then proceeds to beat up the kids
[03:48:52] <guy_> Looking at the pics, it seems only privileged white people are beating this half-black mixed race dude
[03:50:03] <c0lo> "Meanwhile, a COVID-positive President Donald Trump is coming to Janesville on Saturday. To get tickets to Trump’s in-person rally — a last-ditch pitch to voters in our swing state — you had to sign a waiver releasing the campaign from liability if you get sick. Ugh."
[03:50:04] <c0lo> https://wisconsinexaminer.com
[03:50:06] <systemd> ^ 03The Wisconsin GOP's Trump problem - Wisconsin Examiner
[03:51:31] <guy_> I erred, at least in part, there were two black guys in the mob - it's not clear that either of them assaulted the victim though
[04:01:54] <guy_> OH NOES!!!!
[04:02:15] <guy_> There is no J for my PB&J sammich!
[04:25:45] <c0lo> https://www.baltimoresun.com
[04:25:46] <systemd> ^ 03Maryland House work group recommends ditching state’s Law Enforcement Officers’ Bill of Rights
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[04:32:08] <c0lo> https://www.politico.com
[04:32:08] <systemd> ^ 03At indoor Florida event, Trump urges seniors to shield themselves from Covid
[04:32:38] <c0lo> https://www.bbc.com
[04:44:10] <c0lo> https://fivethirtyeight.com
[04:44:10] <systemd> ^ 03Democrats Don’t Need To Win Georgia, Iowa, Ohio Or Texas
[04:48:44] <c0lo> https://www.oregonlive.com
[04:48:45] <systemd> ^ 03As election nears, coronavirus is surging in key swing states
[04:58:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tab, Coca-Cola’s Diet-Soda Pioneer and a ’70s Icon, Is Going Away - https://sylnt.us - Martin-Seamus-"Marty"-McFly-Sr.-will-not-be-pleased
[05:07:07] <c0lo> =submit https://www.wyso.org Black voters in Ohio ... the goal often wasn’t so much to sway their votes as to ensure they wouldn’t vote at all... One of the most high-profile campaigns is “ More Than a Vote,” spearheaded by LeBron James and other athletes this summer. “We need you to join us to vote like our lives depend on it. Because they do,”
[05:07:09] <systemd> Submitting "The Real Goal of Misinformation Campaigns Focused on Black Voters"...
[05:07:31] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Real Goal of Misinformation Campaigns Focused on Black Voters" (29 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:28:41] <c0lo> =submit https://www.washingtonexaminer.com
[05:29:58] <c0lo> Heh! ***systemd achived sentience and takes time off***
[05:30:29] <c0lo> s/achived/achieved/
[05:30:29] <SedBot> <c0lo> Heh! ***systemd achieved sentience and takes time off***
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[05:38:03] <chromas> looks like I missed out on the herp a derp
[05:38:09] * chromas eats his pizza as a consolation
[05:59:20] <c0lo> Pizza shares: buy https://www.fxempire.com
[05:59:22] <systemd> ^ 03Domino's Pizza Shares Plunge on Lower Profits But Analysts Optimistic on Outlook; Target Price $435
[06:12:42] <c0lo> =submit the-involuntary-stable-clown-in-chief says: https://www.rollingstone.com
[06:12:45] <systemd> Submitting "What Is the Babylon Bee? Trump Retweeted the Satirical Website"...
[06:13:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03What is the Babylon Bee? Trump Retweeted the Satirical Website" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:24:21] <c0lo> =submit https://babylonbee.com
[06:24:22] <systemd> Submitting "Trump Shares Babylon Bee Article, Thousands Accept Jesus Into Their Hearts"...
[06:24:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Trump Shares Babylon Bee Article, Thousands Accept Jesus Into Their Hearts" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:34:03] <chromas> Even Snopes knows about the Babylon Bee :)
[06:35:13] <lld> >The New York Times interviewed itself in order to get to know us a little better.
[06:35:19] <lld> wow that's gotta hurt
[07:16:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Current State of Space Debris - https://sylnt.us - clean-up-after-yourselves
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[08:22:22] <aristarchus> Going down again, are we?
[08:25:43] <aristarchus> =submit https://edition.cnn.com
[08:25:47] <systemd> Submitting "He went down the QAnon rabbit hole for two years. Here's how he got out"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.cnn.com )
[08:26:09] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03He Went Down the QAnon Rabbit Hole for Two Years. Here's How He Got Out" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:26:50] <aristarchus> If I could add to the sub, an Australian. Interesting. Is it the WalkAbout?
[08:35:07] <aristarchus> Those who have not gone through the 1918 Influenza pandemic, or the 1990's "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse" may not recognize the template, but, you know, the past is prolouge, and those who do not remember their history, are condemned to be Trump supporters, and QAnon conspirators. Mumb's the word, eh?
[08:35:08] <systemd> ^ 03Satanic ritual abuse" - Wikipedia
[08:37:50] <aristarchus> =g chromas satanic ritual abuse
[08:37:51] <systemd> https://www.ncjrs.gov - satanic ritual abuse
[08:38:57] <c0lo> https://www.businessinsider.com futures markets bet on blue wave (because biden => stimulus)
[08:38:59] <systemd> ^ 03Wall Street's biggest banks are increasingly expecting a Biden-led blue wave as the election looms. Here's how they say you should position your portfolio. ( https://markets.businessinsider.com )
[08:41:36] <c0lo> bets currently at 64-36 for Biden (down from 67-63 on Oct 11) https://www.realclearpolitics.com
[08:41:36] <systemd> ^ 03RealClearPolitics - Betting Odds - 2020 U.S. President
[08:42:18] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.amazon.com
[08:42:19] <systemd> aristarchus, 04submit failed: Parse failed
[08:42:56] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.latimes.com
[08:42:58] <systemd> Submitting "New book by former Trump aide alleges early racist comments"...
[08:43:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03New Book by Former Trump Aide Alleges Early Racist Comments" (42 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:45:58] <aristarchus> =submit https://flatheadbeacon.com
[08:46:00] <systemd> Submitting "Montana’s High-Stakes Senate Race - Flathead Beacon"...
[08:46:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Montana’s High-Stakes Senate Race - Flathead Beacon" (27 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:46:49] <c0lo> > "If you'd look in Australian politics, it's boring by comparison," Jadeja said.
[08:47:02] <aristarchus> Always love good news about Montana. Always remember the time I spent with Louis Riel on the Sun River, back in the day.
[08:47:19] <c0lo> But of course! And I like it boring.
[08:48:42] <aristarchus> How many Auzzie PMs in jail?
[08:52:37] <c0lo> None for the moment. Just foreplay. https://www.abc.net.au
[08:52:38] <systemd> ^ 03ICAC releases suppressed evidence that Gladys Berejiklian's relationship with Daryl Maguire began in 2014 - ABC News
[08:53:11] <c0lo> (not gonna happen this time)
[08:55:35] <c0lo> A mining minister, though. Is it satisfactory enough? https://en.wikipedia.org(New_South_Wales_politician)#Criminal_charges_and_findings
[08:55:36] <systemd> ^ 03Ian Macdonald (New South Wales politician) - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org(New_South_Wales_politician) )
[08:57:34] <aristarchus> Appreciated your go round with our local American idiot. Did not narrow down my surmise about which former Warsaw pact nation you originate from, but any one who can stand up to AK-47s has my respect.
[08:59:19] <c0lo> I keep in mind to restrict the details. That AK mention? That narrows it down.
[09:00:26] <aristarchus> OK, Kalishnakovs. Better?
[09:01:59] <c0lo> Did you like that newrepuplic link about libertarians and bears that FatPhil found? It made my weekend.
[09:02:12] <c0lo> s/pup/pub/
[09:02:12] <SedBot> <c0lo> Did you like that newrepublic link about libertarians and bears that FatPhil found? It made my weekend.
[09:02:57] <aristarchus> Haven't read it. but we have a similar problem with smaller wildlife and "feeders" in my neighborhood.
[09:05:35] <aristarchus> Some very wealthy people keep feeding Rebuplicans, and squirrels, so they keep showing up on ballots.
[09:05:39] <c0lo> Go read it, 't's in the subs queue. https://soylentnews.org
[09:05:43] <systemd> ^ 03The Town That Went Feral: SoylentNews Submission
[09:09:36] <c0lo> Your's is unfortunatelly a saga. That one is a novelette.
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[09:17:05] <aristarchus> Replay of so many sad attempts! Support your right to arm Bears! Or, Bear arms? Maybe Bare arms, or bare bear arms. Americans confuse me.
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[09:18:00] <c0lo> chrooommaaaasss... aaaasss... ass... s. Do you hear?... ear... r
[09:18:35] <c0lo> S/N certificate expired!!!
[09:19:25] <aristarchus> Shirley you jest? What new fuckery is this?
[09:19:58] <c0lo> What fuckery?
[09:20:56] <c0lo> "Websites prove their identity via certificates, which are valid for a set time period. The certificate for soylentnews.org expired on 10/17/2020."
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[09:21:15] <aristarchus> yep, my connection is not private. Expired cert? Newbie mistake! Again while TMB Is sound asleep. Coincidence?
[09:22:19] <aristarchus> Well, I guess no more aristarchus submissions from the main page.
[09:24:21] <aristarchus> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[09:24:22] <systemd> aristarchus, 04submit failed: SSL peer certificate or SSH remote key was not OK on handle 7F256C02DEE0
[09:24:36] <c0lo> Heh.
[09:24:53] <c0lo> No more submission from IRC either.
[09:25:24] <aristarchus> Or from IRC. Well, we are dead, now, again, in the water. So I bid all adeiu.
[09:25:37] <c0lo> =g how to renew SSL certificate
[09:25:37] <systemd> https://themeisle.com - How to Renew Your SSL Certificate in 4 Simple Steps (2020 Tutorial)
[09:26:24] <c0lo> @cromas there, systemd googled it for you.
[09:26:50] <aristarchus> WICITA, as I always say.
[09:27:21] <c0lo> sleep well, magister.
[09:28:04] <aristarchus> Good, um, evening? c0lo, whoever you are!
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[09:28:52] <chromas> Don't tell TheMightyBuzzard but we're actually having a weekend special for him
[09:29:09] <chromas> Each day when he wakes up, there's going to be a new broken thing on soylentnews!
[09:31:19] <c0lo> Need a ddos? I think I can get in touch with someone in less than 6 steps.
[09:32:28] <chromas> Does this someone know anything about AC LEDs?
[09:32:49] <FatPhil> bridge rectifier?
[09:33:06] <chromas> FULLLLL BRIDGEEE
[09:33:19] * chromas shakes FatPhil's screen
[09:34:08] <c0lo> 2 diodes antiparallel will do.
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[09:35:02] <Ingar> cert expired?
[09:35:12] <SSLexpired> Like, 15 minutes ago, yeah.
[09:35:30] <chromas> This is day two of TheMightyBuzzard free-weekend special
[09:36:03] <Ingar> great, it seems firefox no longer has an exception button
[09:36:20] <SSLexpired> This is why you have calendar reminders, alerts, mintoring, etc. :)
[09:36:24] <chromas> Tomorrow morning, the IPs will change and there won't be anybody to update DNS for three hours before he wakes up
[09:36:34] <SSLexpired> Firefox does have exception buttons, but HSTS prevents it.
[09:36:43] <FatPhil> my phone doesn't do most protocols, so I can't even see 90% of the internet now, because the world's been forced to "protect" me.
[09:37:02] * chromas takes the condom off
[09:37:21] <Ingar> EDge gloriously connects
[09:37:49] <SSLexpired> I mean, you *could* turn off HSTS temporarily so people could continue to the site anyway...but I'm not sure how appealing that is.
[09:37:52] <chromas> That HSTS thing is retarded
[09:37:58] <Ingar> quite
[09:38:04] <chromas> Nothing in the headers should determine what I can do with my browser
[09:38:14] <chromas> Next thing there's gonna be a CSS option to disable zooming
[09:38:15] <chromas> oh wait
[09:38:25] <Ingar> it's like a no copying bit on audio cd data
[09:38:37] <chromas> and the browser stupidly complies
[09:38:44] <c0lo> @FatPhil that actually cool. It means "encryption everywhere", which mean one will need to switch on the evil bit to attract attention.
[09:39:14] <chromas> or just pwn the cert authorities
[09:39:46] * chromas sets false sense of security to maximum false
[09:41:44] <FatPhil> one cannot play a cd without copying the data. so basically, that's a "no play" bit
[09:42:43] <chromas> Nonsense! Just redefine the word "copying"
[09:43:01] <FatPhil> It's only copying when straight white males with power and money do it?
[09:43:47] <chromas> I sense discrimination against nonbinary DACs
[09:47:20] <FatPhil> Computers discriminate against base-12
[09:47:45] <SSLexpired> Speaking of monitoring and alerts, I just got my first Let's Encrypt certificate about a month ago. I should probably set that up for myself. :P
[09:48:27] <Ingar> I can't be bothered with https
[09:49:13] <SSLexpired> I wouldn't bother either, but I wanted to see how it worked, how difficult it was, etc...
[09:49:53] * chromas has a systemd timer to renew the LE cert
[09:50:00] <FatPhil> I disagree with the whole principle of the tree of trust, so actively want to avoid subscribing to its false religion
[09:51:06] <SSLexpired> It's not that bad, but it did take me about six hours to figure it out. If I had to do it again it'd probably take me 30 minutes or less. No automation setup here.
[09:51:15] <FatPhil> If I had more control over who I was allowed to say "I trust", and by how much, I'd give it more credibility
[09:51:16] * chromas invents the blockchainweb of trust
[09:51:18] <Ingar> FatPhil: the concept has been broken from the very beginning
[09:51:47] <FatPhil> well, it's hard to be broken in principle, and not be broken from the beginningh
[09:52:04] <SSLexpired> chromas: Too late, I'm sure someone's patented it and sold "the solution" to a bank or something already.
[09:52:11] <Ingar> it fits Web 3.0 though
[09:52:37] <Ingar> "Approved content"
[09:52:55] <chromas> "The solution"
[09:52:55] * chromas widens eyes, as if in a cult-style trance
[09:53:01] <FatPhil> Dorsey and the Zuck approve, you may view.
[09:53:06] <FatPhil> And please remember to vote
[09:53:13] <Ingar> I did vote
[09:53:20] <FatPhil> hahahahahaha!
[09:53:26] <Ingar> it took 1.5yrs to form a govt
[09:53:36] <Ingar> where they sidetracked the winners
[09:53:52] <Ingar> their first real action is the now lockdown light
[09:54:01] <Ingar> s/now/new/
[09:54:01] <SedBot> <Ingar> their first real action is the new lockdown light
[09:54:11] <chromas> There's a light telling you when to go in?
[09:55:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dickey’s PoS Breach Could Hit Three Million Cards - https://sylnt.us - cash-n-carry?
[09:55:28] <chromas> at least Bender can hit up the RSS feed
[09:55:47] <chromas> Probably ignores the evil bit
[09:56:41] <SSLexpired> Does RSS even care about HTTPS?
[09:57:08] <chromas> it's just an xml file served up by the web server
[09:57:18] <Ingar> RSS-over-ftp
[09:57:44] <chromas> curl and any other http client not run by commies like Mozilla should connect just fine
[09:57:53] <Ingar> RIght, firefox removed ftp support
[10:00:30] <SSLexpired> FTP's super simple and the spec hasn't changed in ages. I still don't understand why browsers dropped support for it. It's not like a maintenance nightmare or anything. They probably hadn't even looked at that section of code in a decade.
[10:01:16] <FatPhil> HTTP>>FTP, it was redundant
[10:01:49] <Ingar> FTP was usually faster
[10:01:57] <SSLexpired> It's not redundant for people not running a web server.
[10:01:58] <lld> >spec hasn't changed in ages. I still don't understand why browsers dropped support for it.
[10:02:02] <lld> there's your problem
[10:02:05] <lld> it hasn't changed
[10:02:12] <lld> nobody is maintaining it
[10:02:24] <SSLexpired> Now I have to tell people to go get an FTP client to connect to my FTP servers.
[10:02:27] <lld> some beancounter with a checklist is going to sound the alarm on it
[10:03:05] <Ingar> oh
[10:03:08] <Ingar> lynx works fine
[10:03:11] <lld> I deal with beancounters that want to drop gptfdisk because it is "unmaintained"
[10:03:14] <SSLexpired> Sure, nobody's maintaining it because ti's DONE. It works, there's nothing to modify. Just leave it alone. :P
[10:03:15] <Ingar> back to the best browser ever
[10:03:28] <lld> likewise for X11
[10:03:33] <lld> "unmaintained"
[10:03:57] <lld> if they did Windows, they'd want Microsoft to drop Notepad
[10:04:29] <lld> beancounters read only excel sheets
[10:04:45] <lld> they are very far removed from the things they govern
[10:05:13] <lld> they only execute according to very simple instructions, but with overwhelming force behind it
[10:06:33] <lld> debian dpkg is also "unmaintained"
[10:07:07] <lld> so its usually easier to just roll your own and rewrite everything from scratch rather than depend on 3rd party software that does exactly what you want
[10:07:27] <lld> because the software development process doesn't allow for code reuse
[10:10:07] <Ingar> in my first job, I had to explain to the project lead that copy paste isn't code reuse
[10:10:21] <Ingar> I haven't had faith in sofware development since :)
[10:11:36] <SSLexpired> But, but...if you copy/paste then all you need to update stuff is find and replace all in Notepad. Easy, done. All changes complete. Ship it!
[10:13:28] <Ingar> but notepad doesnt run in my browser!
[10:15:06] <Ingar> SSLexpired: mbut y current employer switched to Agile!
[10:15:26] <lld> I had to explain the command pattern and multithreading to the project lead
[10:15:52] <Ingar> fortunately I quit programming
[10:16:07] <lld> watergile
[10:16:21] <lld> requirements are waterfalled down from marketing
[10:16:29] <lld> and filtered through managers
[10:16:38] <lld> before reaching the engineers
[10:16:43] <SSLexpired> Water at the top, piss at the bottom.
[10:16:53] <chromas> notepad needs to be recreated in electron
[10:17:07] <chromas> who will create the first electron-based web browser?
[10:17:37] <SSLexpired> Aren't all web browsers technically electron-based?
[10:18:09] <chromas> I should use a capital E
[10:18:16] <SSLexpired> Yes. :)
[10:18:18] <FatPhil> I was once tasked with creating a regular "what's new in the linux kernel" report. My boss' boss' boss' was unable to read the report, and presumed I'd fucked up. It was plain text.
[10:18:39] <chromas> You should've mixed tabs and spaces
[10:18:54] <lld> my boss wanted a forecast of when the next few linux versions will be out
[10:19:23] <lld> http://phb-crystal-ball.org good thing someone made this
[10:19:24] <systemd> ^ 03phb-crystal-ball.org
[10:19:25] <FatPhil> I refused to unix2dos the file for her, and brought shame upon her. Not a good move in a Korean company,
[10:19:32] <SSLexpired> lld: You gave them a forecast of some sort?
[10:19:59] <lld> no I told them Linus moves at his own speed since he's not an employee of the company
[10:20:32] <FatPhil> lld also, it shouldn't matter anyway
[10:20:41] <lld> MUH LTS KERNEL
[10:20:52] <SSLexpired> Better than telling the boss to ask Linus directly!
[10:21:47] <lld> boss wants to release their product on the LTS kernel
[10:22:05] <lld> because security will hound him nonstop otherwise for security updates
[10:23:05] <lld> and then security also screaming at you because ODMs refuse to update old versions with known vulnerabilities once they hit production
[10:24:10] <SSLexpired> LOL security. Last place I worked the security people sent notifications that scared the crap outta the managers. They treated every security patch as if it had to be installed in 24 hours or we'd be compromised or fail an audit.
[10:25:38] <chromas> They probably work for Microsoft now and that's why we have forced updates
[10:25:50] <SSLexpired> It's as if they couldn't understand the concept that the security patch was issued because the vulnerability was already there.
[10:26:15] <lld> also, security blocking your release the last minute when the list of prohibited software changed when no one was looking
[10:26:42] <SSLexpired> Microsoft got tired of being the virtual punching bag for all the people who installed Windows XP and never updated their systems at all and didn't install antivirus either.
[10:26:58] <lld> yes, they are also under pressure from the same damned beancounters
[10:27:02] <lld> and their "audits"
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[10:28:15] <SSLexpired> So many users just wouldn't update at all, ever. I once worked with a lady that did exactly that. She had antivirus installed, but also never updated that either. When I ran the antivirus update and scanned her machine it found about 600 infected files from three or four different viruses.
[10:29:11] <lld> my win7 gamebox never had any AV, never rebooted for years
[10:29:16] <lld> still works fine for gaming
[10:29:43] <lld> then again, I use a browser that can be updated without rebooting the PC :)
[10:30:40] <SSLexpired> lld: Once you had Windows XP SP3 with the firewall enabled by default most attacks were stopped/slowed. Same with Win7. If you didn't do anything stupid, you were highly unlikely to have problems.
[10:31:36] <lld> yeah, I don't even do any office work or emails on the game PC
[10:31:59] <lld> it is for games, so if anything, only steam/valve will break it
[10:34:21] <SSLexpired> Chances are Steam/Valve won't break it, but some DRM on a game you pick up might.
[10:37:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> certs should be fixed
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[10:39:02] <NotSanguine> TheMightyBuzzard: Confirmed. Thank you!
[10:39:03] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[10:39:03] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[10:39:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~blame
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[10:39:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> =blame
[10:39:10] * systemd points at Bytram
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[10:39:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[10:39:28] <MrPlow> 1576 East Main St, Humboldt, TN 38343, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 67/50F, Humidity: 59%, Precip: 6%, Wind ~8mph. Sun: "Rain in the morning." 67/58F, Humidity: 75%, Precip: 60%, Wind ~8mph. Mon: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 75/56F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 36%, Wind ~9mph.
[10:39:37] <c0lo> TheMightyBuzzard-- you're late
[10:39:38] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 385
[10:39:40] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard++
[10:39:40] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 386
[10:39:43] <chromas> oh oops
[10:39:48] <chromas> TheMightyBuzzard-- yeah
[10:39:48] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 385
[10:40:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> !karma chameleon
[10:40:00] <Bender> karma of chameleon is 22
[10:40:03] <lld> >Chances are Steam/Valve won't break it, but some DRM on a game you pick up might.
[10:40:10] <lld> I'll let the pirates do their thing
[10:40:21] <lld> and I am very patient
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[10:41:05] <Bytram_dewey> TheMightyBuzzard++ thank you! I've been w/o email since my lappy went sideways, so did not get the LE reminder
[10:41:05] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 386
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[10:41:25] <chromas> That's 386 SX, of course
[10:41:54] <SSLrenewed> Yay! Ninety more days of SSL.
[10:43:12] <chromas> I didn't know Jon Stewart was in a British rock band in the '70s
[10:43:17] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[10:43:19] <systemd> ^ 03Dire Straits - Sultans Of Swing
[10:48:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt R8anmTZ_W68
[10:48:51] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Money For Nothing (Unedited) - Dire Straits [HD Audio]
[10:51:32] <chromas> and your chips for free
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[10:57:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, time for moar coffees
[10:57:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:57:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5373
[11:06:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, time to start gathering crap up for a river trip. anything else breaks today is going to have to stay broke unless someone else fixes it.
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[11:19:40] <SSLrenewed> Glad it broke before ya left then.
[11:20:11] <SSLrenewed> Thanks for putting things back together.
[11:21:58] <FatPhil> seconded
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[12:16:50] <FatPhil> Anyone want to help playtest a boardgame I just invented/wrote? Requires perl/tk.
[12:17:38] <FatPhil> I'm unsure whether it's "deep" or "confusing", as I've not yet worked out any strategy for it!
[12:18:15] <FatPhil> Eventually I'll write an AI for it, and see whether it trounces me.
[12:18:30] <FatPhil> maybe I should write some rules down.
[12:20:34] <c0lo> from the entertaining-fart-of-patriotism dept: https://www.independent.co.uk
[12:20:37] <systemd> ^ 03Trump fans play Born in the USA outside his hospital without realising what the lyrics actually mean
[12:26:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Cosmonauts Patch Small Air Leak on International Space Station - https://sylnt.us - where's-the-duct-tape?
[12:43:35] <Bytram_dewey> FatPhil: just an idea? Maybe write up the rules, documentation, whatevs you think someone new to the game might want to know and then, when you have *that*... submit it to the site as a story? Or, maybe as a journal entry?
[12:46:16] <c0lo> =doi 10.3847/1538-4357/abb8db
[12:46:18] <systemd> Journal Reference: Standing on the Shoulders of Giants: New Mass and Distance Estimates for Betelgeuse through Combined Evolutionary, Asteroseismic, and Hydrodynamic Simulations with MESA - IOPscience, <cite>The Astrophysical Journal</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.3847/1538-4357/abb8db">10.3847/1538-4357/abb8db</a>)
[12:47:22] <c0lo> =submit betelgeuse-just-got-closer https://scitechdaily.com
[12:47:25] <systemd> Submitting "Strangely Behaving Red Supergiant Betelgeuse Smaller and Closer Than First Thought"...
[12:47:47] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Strangely Behaving Red Supergiant Betelgeuse Smaller and Closer Than First Thought" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:50:29] <c0lo> =submit no-5g-on-the-moon https://www.androidpolice.com
[12:50:30] <systemd> Submitting "NASA just gave Nokia millions of dollars to upgrade the moon's cell service"...
[12:50:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA Just Gave Nokia Millions of Dollars to Upgrade the Moon's Cell Service" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:51:05] <c0lo> take that^, Musk
[12:57:46] <c0lo> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[12:57:48] <systemd> Submitting "Virgin Galactic readies first spaceflight from Spaceport America for ‘later this this fall’ – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; https://social.techcrunch.com )
[12:58:10] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Virgin Galactic Readies First Spaceflight From Spaceport America for ‘Later This This Fall’ – " (6 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:01:24] <Bytram_dewey> as opposed to 'Later This Next Fall'??
[13:01:38] <Bytram_dewey> ;)
[13:03:32] <c0lo> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[13:04:21] <c0lo> =doi 10.1126/science.abb9318
[13:04:21] <systemd> Error: DOI not found
[13:05:19] <c0lo> https://science.sciencemag.org
[13:05:21] <systemd> ^ 03Zeptosecond birth time delay in molecular photoionization
[13:05:46] <c0lo> https://phys.org
[13:05:48] <systemd> ^ 03Zeptoseconds: New world record in short time measurement
[13:07:15] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[13:07:17] <systemd> Submitting "Covid-19: NHS trials drones to carry tests and equipment"...
[13:07:38] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Covid-19: NHS Trials Drones to Carry Tests and Equipment" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:20:28] <c0lo> =submit "gnocchi, waffle, lasagna and anti-spaghetti" https://www.livescience.com
[13:20:30] <systemd> Submitting "Warm pasta helps hot, angry neutron stars cool down"...
[13:20:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Warm Pasta Helps Hot, Angry Neutron Stars Cool Down" (38 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[14:39:38] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[14:39:40] <systemd> Submitting "Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to install more unwanted apps"...
[14:40:02] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Microsoft Just Force Restarted My Windows PC Again to Install More Unwanted Apps" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:54:13] <c0lo> Da fuck! Really? https://www.gamesradar.com
[14:54:14] <systemd> ^ 03Joe Biden has an Animal Crossing: New Horizons island that you can visit
[14:55:01] <RandomFactor> =submit https://securityboulevard.com
[14:55:03] <systemd> Submitting "BleedingTooth: Intel Discloses Early, Angering Linux Lovers - Security Boulevard"...
[14:55:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03BleedingTooth: Intel Discloses Early, Angering Linux Lovers - Security Boulevard" (29 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:56:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AI Localization Tool Claims to Translate Your Words in Your Voice - https://sylnt.us - lip-sync?
[14:59:30] <RandomFactor> C0Lo: Sadly it isn't Joe Biden playing Joe Biden on Biden Island.
[15:02:31] <c0lo> @RandyFactor: no surprise there. Why 'sadly' tho'?
[15:03:15] <RandomFactor> you get pictures with him
[15:03:24] <RandomFactor> so what's the point if it's not real?
[15:03:43] <RandomFactor> also it would be a better use of his time than holding rallies with 6 attendees
[15:04:08] <RandomFactor> and gaffing anyway...
[15:04:13] <c0lo> The only surprise is campaigning in game. What's next? Fortnite battle royale as national debate?
[15:04:47] <RandomFactor> I'm wearing my BRAWNDO shirt as I type this...
[15:05:34] <RandomFactor> Just be sure to vote for Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho!
[15:09:28] <c0lo> Hah, the futures are dim, stock's gonna crash.
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[15:23:12] <RandomFactor> =submit https://securityboulevard.com
[15:23:14] <systemd> Submitting "The Good and Not So Good of the IoT Cybersecurity Improvement Act of 2020 - Security Boulevard"...
[15:23:36] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03The Good and Not So Good of the IoT Cybersecurity Improvement Act of 2020 - Security Boulevard" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:25:09] <RandomFactor> It got discussed, but still kinda surprised noone submitted https://www.youtube.com
[15:25:10] <systemd> ^ 03Butt Plug Hacking! Real Penetration Testing – DEF CON 27
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[16:10:43] <chromas> FatPhil: gibs me dat boardgame
[16:37:12] <RandomFactor> Ever see a SN article in your feeds and click on it thinking it would make a good submission?
[17:03:16] <Bytram_dewey> RandomFactor: For some reason, I generally do have a pretty good idea what stories have been published so I'd prolly recognize a dupe and not choose to submit it -- I wonder why? ;^)
[17:03:58] <Bytram_dewey> break time; afk
[17:17:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elon Musk’s Vegas Loop Won’t Transport as Many People as Promised - https://sylnt.us - Boring!
[17:19:50] <chromas> I, for one, am totally shocked.
[17:35:47] <nutherguy> submit https://thenextweb.com
[17:35:48] <systemd> ^ 03COVID-19 will probably become endemic – here's what that means
[17:47:37] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.deccanherald.com
[17:47:39] <systemd> Submitting "Home-made Covid-19 vaccine appeared to work, but questions remained"...
[17:48:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Home-made Covid-19 Vaccine Appeared to Work, but Questions Remained" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:52:13] <AzumaHazuki> time for me to get some warm clothing. i feel a chill in the air...
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[17:55:41] <RandomFactor> =cite https://doi.org
[17:55:44] <systemd> Journal Reference: Kezheng Li, Sirazul Haque, Augusto Martins, et al. Light trapping in solar cells: simple design rules to maximize absorption [open], <cite>Optica</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1364/OPTICA.394885">10.1364/OPTICA.394885</a>)
[18:04:24] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[18:04:26] <systemd> Submitting "Windows 10 is installing Office web apps without asking permission"...
[18:04:48] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Windows 10 is Installing Office Web Apps Without Asking Permission" (4 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:05:16] <chromas> How do you install a web app
[18:06:10] <nutherguy> It's installed into the browser?
[18:06:25] * chromas locks down his bookmarks file
[18:07:02] <RandomFactor> FYI - that's the same as https://soylentnews.org
[18:07:03] <systemd> ^ 03Microsoft Just Force Restarted My Windows PC Again to Install More Unwanted Apps: SoylentNews Submission
[18:07:19] <nutherguy> Got it
[18:07:50] <RandomFactor> not that Win 10 doesn't deserve extra beat down...
[18:07:52] <nutherguy> need a de-dupe tool
[18:08:08] <nutherguy> or re-dupe
[18:08:12] <nutherguy> un-dupe
[18:09:24] <RandomFactor> Off to forage for a bit. I've heard rumors someone went shopping for groceries and I must confirm the famine has ended.
[18:11:31] <chromas> The Sciencealert favicon always makes me think I have a Snopes page open
[18:13:35] <nutherguy> I guess this one article summarizes several corona virus research "pauses"
[18:13:45] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[18:13:46] <systemd> Submitting "Halted Trials Raise New Safety Questions About 'Rushed' COVID-19 Vaccines"...
[18:14:08] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Halted Trials Raise New Safety Questions About 'Rushed' COVID-19 Vaccines" (23 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:19:01] <nutherguy> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[18:19:01] <systemd> ^ 03LANDSLIDE! Trump Wins Lochel Pennsylvania Cookie Poll -- Doubles Biden Total (Video)
[18:19:57] <nutherguy> Apparently, Biden can put a permanent "lid" on his campaign
[18:28:24] <nutherguy> https://earther.gizmodo.com
[18:28:25] <systemd> ^ 03I Hung Out With 20 ‘Eco-Goats’ and It Was a Blaaaaast
[18:28:50] <RandomFactor> Doesn't apply. I've said it before.
[18:29:07] <RandomFactor> Trump has supporters and haters. Biden doesn't really have 'supporters'
[18:29:18] <RandomFactor> But both will get you out to vote.
[18:29:55] <RandomFactor> Supporters go to rallies. That's why Trump has massive rallies and Biden talks to a few democrat precinct captains.
[18:30:07] <RandomFactor> so that bakery model doesn't apply
[18:32:35] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.theguardian.com
[18:32:37] <systemd> Submitting "Eel effects: fears after release of exotic species into New York lake"...( 1 modified urls; http://www.theguardian.com )
[18:32:59] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Eel Effects: Fears After Release of Exotic Species Into New York Lake" (18 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:36:55] <RandomFactor> Why do i have to disassemble the trunk of my hybrid to change the battery? (the normal 12v car battery, not the high voltage thing)
[18:47:01] <nutherguy> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[18:47:03] <systemd> Submitting "NASA’s Next Moonsuit Is Going to Be Damned Impressive"...
[18:47:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03NASA’s Next Moonsuit is Going to be Damned Impressive" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:47:35] <nutherguy> randomfactor - the automotive engineers thought it would be funny is why
[18:47:42] <chromas> RandomFactor: Why are you messing with the battery? Just throw it in the trash and buy a new one, nerd!
[18:48:13] <RandomFactor> I might have to go back to the office one day. Need it to run if that ever happens :-p
[18:49:20] <RandomFactor> Also why do they say professional installation only? Because it has.... A VENT TUBE? Seriously? If you can change a battery you can plug in the stupid vent tube so you don't die from fumes.
[18:49:57] <RandomFactor> I guess some idiot didn't bother plugging it in and died at some point. /shrug.
[18:50:33] <RandomFactor> I gotta admit i would prefer the batter wasn't connected with the passenger compartment at all though.
[18:51:11] <chromas> I just assumed hybrids didn't have the extra battery
[18:51:33] <RandomFactor> I did too
[18:51:36] <RandomFactor> until it died
[18:51:53] <RandomFactor> 2014, so it made ~6 years
[18:52:00] <chromas> I've seen the batteries stashed behind the wheel well, but going to the trunk would take an extra long cable
[18:52:07] <chromas> Maybe it uses an EF extension
[18:52:25] <RandomFactor> yah, and turns out you 'jump' it from the engine compartment in front where the cables connect.
[18:52:28] <RandomFactor> It's some wierd
[19:09:30] <RandomFactor> Jumping is wierd too, you don't actually start the engine, just fire up the electronics.
[19:12:08] <RandomFactor> I litterally jump started it from 'clicky-dead' in 30 seconds by hooking up the battery charger on trickle (2a) and pressing start, then drove off. Engine fired up normally a few moments later as per usual, so i'm assuming the HV battery is what kicks that over.
[19:12:31] <RandomFactor> Cars ain't what they used to be.
[19:36:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Education Groups Drop their Lawsuit Against Public.Resource.Org - https://sylnt.us - ignorance-is-no-excuse-under-the-law...but-if-you-cannot-find-out-what-the-law-IS...
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[19:48:55] * nutherguy suspects that RandomFactor ain't what he used to be
[19:50:03] <nutherguy> Occam's eraser: The philosophical principle that even the simplest solution is bound to have something wrong with it.
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[20:58:42] <FatPhil> shut up and eat yout kebab!
[22:06:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Demonstrates a Molecular Dance that Keeps Your Heart Beating - https://sylnt.us - heart-strings
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[22:21:19] <Austrina> Hi there.
[22:25:03] <tedious> Hello Austrina.
[22:25:34] <tedious> First time here?
[22:29:17] <Austrina> yes, I'm new!
[22:29:20] <Austrina> how are you?
[22:29:36] <tedious> Welcome! :)
[22:30:11] <tedious> I'm curious about the last article posted about heart beats.
[22:30:38] <Austrina> thank you, tedious!
[22:30:56] <Austrina> yeah, I've just seen it, but I haven't read it yet.
[22:31:38] <tedious> I've been wondering if it's possible to mess up your heart rhythm by eating things like too much salt or other minerals like supplements.
[22:31:58] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: Any ideas?
[22:32:15] <AzumaHazuki> definitely yes
[22:32:44] <tedious> I was thinking maybe excess calcium.
[22:32:56] <tedious> Maybe magnesium too?
[22:33:05] <AzumaHazuki> the heart is affected more by potassium than the others. I personally would worry about potassium >>> calcium > magnesium > sodium, but too much calcium or magnesium isn't safe either
[22:33:11] <Austrina> well, you definitely can mess up your heart rhythm by consuming other substances, like drugs
[22:33:38] <AzumaHazuki> Ca2+ and Mg2+ cations are sort of partners, as are Na+ and K+ (sodium-potassium pump)
[22:33:44] <Austrina> or caffeine?
[22:33:57] <tedious> Interesting.
[22:34:35] <AzumaHazuki> caffeins can definitely mess it up at high doses. IIRC it increases blood pressure, respiration rate, metabolism (a little) and encourages the release of catecholamines (adrenaline etc)
[22:34:45] <tedious> So too much potassium at the same time as less sodium than normal would be bad right?
[22:35:09] <AzumaHazuki> i'd worry more about too much potassium but ideally don't let any of them get out of balance
[22:35:20] <AzumaHazuki> that said, the american diet isn't exactly lacking sodium
[22:35:24] <Austrina> I usually drink lots of coffee :/
[22:35:40] <tedious> Hmmmmmm.
[22:35:52] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, me too honey. coffee, tea, diet Monster...they had me do a drug test and said there were alarming levels of urine in my caffeine sample! :D
[22:36:00] <tedious> I guess the only way to tell is to get your blood tested.
[22:36:18] <Austrina> hahaha I can see you're like me
[22:36:29] <AzumaHazuki> blood testing is useful for Na and K but somewhat less so for Ca and almost useless for Mg.
[22:36:46] <Austrina> AzumaHazuki: are you a doctor? :)
[22:36:57] <AzumaHazuki> no, just a newbie pharmacy tech
[22:37:02] <AzumaHazuki> but an utterly obsessive one
[22:37:06] <Austrina> oh cool
[22:37:20] <tedious> Darn.
[22:37:30] <AzumaHazuki> i literally just got hired this week at a hospital which is a wonderful change from outpatient. hoping i pass probation...
[22:37:39] <Austrina> I know nothing about this subject, but now I know I can ask you hehe
[22:37:50] <Austrina> good luck!
[22:37:59] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: Are there any other ways to tell if one or more are out of whack?
[22:38:02] <AzumaHazuki> disclaimer: none of this is professional advice, i am not a doctor, please ask someone licensed instead of relying on me
[22:38:03] <Austrina> and congrats
[22:38:26] <tedious> Like I've heard that iron deficiency shows up as bloodshot eyes.
[22:38:39] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: Sure thing. :)
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[22:39:07] <AzumaHazuki> tedious: it's kind of difficult to tell electrolyte imbalances before they start causing heart issues. iron isn't an electrolyte but deficiency may cause anaemia - weakness, pale nailbeds, excessive fatigue, low immunity
[22:39:09] <tedious> I'm just trying to get a clue before I go jumping into the Wikipedia rabbit hole. :)
[22:40:23] <tedious> I can't afford to just run off meet with a doctor and have my blood tested just to "feel better" so I'm going to do some homework first.
[22:41:03] <tedious> Hmm pale nailbeds?
[22:41:17] <tedious> I'm already so pale how could anyone tell? :)
[22:42:25] <Austrina> tedious: do you have anemia?
[22:42:34] <Austrina> I used to have it when I was younger
[22:42:43] <tedious> I can't tell. :)
[22:42:50] <tedious> Maybe?
[22:43:17] <tedious> I take a multivitamin every day and it's supposed to have 100% of the iron an adult needs.
[22:43:27] <Austrina> any symptoms?
[22:43:32] <tedious> But who knows if that's true.
[22:43:47] <Austrina> exactly, maybe it isn't true
[22:43:50] <tedious> Well my nailbeds are as pale as the rest of my fingers. :)
[22:44:09] <Austrina> I remember fainting all the time
[22:44:15] <Bytram_dewey> =g anemia fingernails
[22:44:16] <systemd> https://www.pennmedicine.org - What Your Nail Health Can Tell You: Don't Ignore These 5 Signs ...
[22:44:31] <Austrina> and just before my vision was in black and white
[22:44:44] <Austrina> BTW, sorry about my English. I'm not an English native speaker
[22:44:49] <tedious> Wow.
[22:45:00] <tedious> No your english is just fine so far. :)
[22:45:14] <Austrina> tedious: thank you :)
[22:47:15] <Bytram_dewey> Austrina: Hi! If you don't mind my asking... what is our native language?
[22:47:29] <Bytram_dewey> s/our/your/
[22:47:29] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> Austrina: Hi! If you don't mind my asking... what is your native language?
[22:47:34] <tedious> Austrian :)
[22:47:46] <Bytram_dewey> g'day, mate!
[22:48:05] <Bytram_dewey> oh, the other one! ;)
[22:48:13] <Austrina> Bytram_dewey: Hello! My native languages are Catalan and Spanish. I'm from Catalonia, Spain.
[22:48:30] <Austrina> nop
[22:48:34] <Austrina> nope, I'm not from Austria
[22:48:44] <Bytram_dewey> Es sing ungefare mitnacht fur ihnen?
[22:48:46] <Austrina> and... there's no such thing as Austrian
[22:48:49] <Austrina> they speak German
[22:48:50] <Austrina> :P
[22:49:12] <Austrina> I'm sorry, I don't speak German :(
[22:49:15] <tedious> LOL
[22:49:16] <Bytram_dewey> Das Stimt! Ich spreche auch Deutsch!
[22:49:20] <Austrina> what did you just say?
[22:49:25] <Bytram_dewey> no problem!
[22:49:35] <AzumaHazuki> you know what they say...a person who speaks two languages is a bilingual, three is a trilingual, and only one, is called "American"
[22:49:45] <Austrina> hahaha
[22:49:45] <Bytram_dewey> Mare see! :D
[22:50:19] <Bytram_dewey> AzumaHazuki: works better as a joke to count 'em down from 3. ;)
[22:50:24] * AzumaHazuki speaks some crappy mix of Castillian and Mexican Spanish, a little Japanese, and can curse in Russian, German, Finnish, and Polish. American =P
[22:50:56] <Austrina> AzumaHazuki: do you prefer Castillian or Mexican Spanish?
[22:51:01] <Bytram_dewey> Especially if te last one is shared in a "conspiratorial whisper"
[22:51:31] <AzumaHazuki> Castillian honestly, since it's what i learned in school. but i'm terrible at both due to tiny vocabulary and poor hearing
[22:51:48] <AzumaHazuki> and my habit is to never use tu/vosotros so i sound more mexican than castillian
[22:52:00] <Austrina> AzumaHazuki: I could help you with your Spanish if you want.
[22:52:16] <AzumaHazuki> thanks :) I may need to ask for your help soonish actually
[22:52:21] * Bytram_dewey only knows English, convrsational German, and can read ancient greek at the level of (guessing) about a 7-year-old
[22:52:43] <Austrina> well, in Spain we don't usually use the subject in a sentence
[22:52:57] <Austrina> Bytram_dewey: LOL
[22:53:23] <Austrina> I used to study Ancient Greek and Latin but I don't remember anything at all
[22:53:34] <AzumaHazuki> i know a little Koine from some of the bible study i did, but like maybe a dozen words and no grammar
[22:53:35] <Bytram_dewey> The hard part? Have you ever tired to find an ancient 7-year-old to talk to>
[22:53:45] <Austrina> hahaha
[22:53:46] <Bytram_dewey> s/tired/tried/
[22:53:47] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> The hard part? Have you ever tried to find an ancient 7-year-old to talk to>
[22:54:03] <Bytram_dewey> SedBot: s/>/?/
[22:54:03] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey? The hard part? Have you ever tried to find an ancient 7-year-old to talk to>
[22:54:14] <Bytram_dewey> Oy!
[22:55:20] <Austrina> are you excited for the US election?
[22:56:33] * Bytram_dewey does not know if his knowledge of Green is Attic or Koine; whatever was in the New Testament. The strange part? I taught myself by looking up words in a Stoing's Concordance and later by trying to read an Interlinear Translation of the then-latest Nestle's version.
[22:56:48] <Bytram_dewey> s/een/eek/
[22:56:48] <SedBot> <Bytram_dewey> does not know if his knowledge of Greek is Attic or Koine; whatever was in the New Testament. The strange part? I taught myself by looking up words in a Stoing's Concordance and later by trying to read an Interlinear Translation of the then-latest Nestle's version.
[22:57:01] <Bytram_dewey> Wow! Is my typing off tonight!
[22:57:12] <Austrina> haha
[22:57:41] <Austrina> here is 00:57
[22:57:45] <Austrina> almost 1am
[22:59:23] <AzumaHazuki> the bible would be Koine
[22:59:47] <AzumaHazuki> also Strong's has an...agenda. any book that tells you "aionion" has, in itself, the meaning "eternal" is full of it
[23:00:57] <AzumaHazuki> there is a very good reason so many of the ante-Nicene church fathers were Universalist...and the further away in space, time, and language you get from the start of all this, the more you see Annihilationism and eternal-torture-ism
[23:03:01] <Bytram_dewey> It *started* with Strong's. Actually, a word would catch my eye in a recent translation, I'd find the matching word in the KJV, look up *that* word in Strong's and go from there... at first. I eventually developed enough of a sense for the vocabulary (ignoring things like gender and plurals) that I could take an Interlinear and kinda, mostly read along,
[23:04:48] <AzumaHazuki> TBH the religion died before the Gospels could even be written. Paul fucked it up something fierce
[23:04:57] <Bytram_dewey> I'm sure my pronunciation stinks. For sake of an example, like seeing "father" and pronouncing "fat her" (i.e. not recognizing dipthongs)
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[23:07:02] <Bytram_dewey> But, thanks to the Greek societies in college, as well as way too much mathematics, I have the alphabet down pretty well (except for that letter that looks sorta like a tornado -- heck, I'm still not sure how to pronounce it!)
[23:07:22] <Bytram_dewey> dd is Done! YAY!
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[23:13:57] <nutherguy> That's pleasant - a new face that didn't turn into another facet of EF
[23:14:53] <nutherguy> dd is done? dd as in disk disassembly?
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[23:19:43] <chromas> Maybe it was EF
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[23:23:56] <Bytram_dewey> dd took 9h 17m 54s to copy a 1 TB SSD to another 1 TB SSD... over slow USB (receiving disk was in an external drive 'caddy')
[23:24:24] <Bytram_dewey> averaged 29.9 MB/s
[23:24:50] * nutherguy has come to love USB3
[23:24:58] <Bytram_dewey> now that *that* is done, time to get a bite to eat. afk for a while.
[23:25:21] <nutherguy> one bite
[23:26:32] <halibut> https://unix.stackexchange.com Somewhat amusing answer (but possibly accurate) for what ``dd'' stands for.
[23:26:33] <systemd> ^ 03What does "dd" stand for?
[23:27:17] <nutherguy> dd
[23:27:17] <nutherguy> Linux
[23:27:17] <nutherguy> dd options [Options: bs=n cbs=n conv=flags]
[23:27:17] <nutherguy> Make a copy of an input file (if) using the specified conditions, and send the results to the output file (or standard output if of is not specified). Any number of options can be supplied, although if and of are the most common and are usually specified first. Because dd can handle arbitrary block sizes, it is useful when converting between raw physical devices.
[23:37:43] <FatPhil> what does EVH stand for?
[23:37:47] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[23:37:49] <systemd> ^ 03Van Halen ERUPTION Performed By PRO Bassist
[23:38:18] <FatPhil> I know, old knooz, but hadn't scene that vid until just now.
[23:38:28] <nutherguy> Extra Virgin Holive oil?
[23:39:12] <FatPhil> which matches my shopping today - I now have a new favourite olive stand at the local market
[23:44:51] * AzumaHazuki got...an ushanka. for cold weather, tovarisch. will get scarf and sweater on next paycheck
[23:45:15] <AzumaHazuki> dressing in layers is really hard when you have super long hair BTW
[23:45:57] <SoyGuest39811> Moved a couple runs of furniture into the new house today and put up towel rods & toilet paper holders in the bathrooms. My back is on fourteen kinds of fire but the work is done.
[23:50:14] <FatPhil> was in the pub last night and everyone loved my jumper
[23:50:21] <FatPhil> to a weird extent
[23:50:42] <FatPhil> it has penguins on it, that;s not that weird is it?
[23:53:25] <SoyGuest39811> Quoting an AC: "had to leave to do sheer number of dumb racists on that platform."
[23:53:32] <SoyGuest39811> I feel ya, AC
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[23:57:19] <AzumaHazuki> lol, runaway jerking off over Gab again? remember, he's not a racist or a Nazi, he just hangs out with them online and "makes common cause" with them to accomplish his goals
[23:57:28] <AzumaHazuki> which...therefore, by definition...must have SOME overlap
[23:59:02] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: Do you have any pointers to resources for sniffing out potential problems like those signs of iron deficiency?
[23:59:30] <AzumaHazuki> honestly, no. deficiencies are insidious because they can be silent, near-silent, or mimic other problems
[23:59:32] <tedious> I'd like to not be a complete hypochondriac if I'm going to bring a list of concerns to a doctor. :)
[23:59:46] <tedious> Darn that's what I was afraid of.