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[00:13:58] <driveby> https://unlimitedhangout.com
[00:14:00] <systemd> ^ 03Secretive HHS AI Platform to Predict US Covid-19 Outbreaks Weeks in Advance - unlimitedhangout.com
[00:14:22] <driveby> [poop emoji]
[00:16:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Confirm Nevada Man was Infected Twice with Coronavirus -- First in USA - https://sylnt.us - looks-like-nobody-is-safe
[00:21:49] <lld> secretive huh? maybe its just secretly some bureaucrats like always
[00:23:55] <AzumaHazuki> that driveby guy is a troll
[00:24:16] <requerdanos> a pretty ineffective one, imo
[00:24:17] <lld> well, I mean in a mechanical way
[00:24:22] <lld> not sure if there is a term for it
[00:25:14] <lld> just like how each transistor on a cpu is a very simple switch, with thousands and thousands of bureaucrats, each working and making simple decisions
[00:27:23] <lld> so, an entire autonomous army of bureaucrats that mechanically makes decisions based on inputs like an AI
[00:27:43] <lld> none of them knowing what the whole direction is
[00:27:51] <requerdanos> we might even call it RAI (Real, Actual Intelligence)
[00:29:03] <lld> sounds exactly the same as AI, just with meat bags
[00:31:06] <requerdanos> There are differences, but in this context, maybe not as many as in others
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[00:44:52] <carny> oh i see now
[00:45:04] <carny> unlimitedhangout.com is whitney webb's site
[00:45:50] <carny> she is one of the best real journalists alive today and one of the few doing real investigations of the powerful people who don't like being investigated
[00:46:25] <AzumaHazuki> based on the things you've said and done in here, your statements carry a negative weight with me
[00:46:40] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not dismissing them out of hand, but you seem rather...agenda-driven
[00:46:41] <carny> if telling people about her work is trolling we need more trolls in the world
[00:47:05] <requerdanos> I am pretty sure the world does not in fact need more trolls.
[00:47:20] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not accusing you of trolling either. i'd have said that if that were the case
[00:47:46] <guy_> =submit https://reclaimthenet.org
[00:47:48] <systemd> Submitting "Netflix uses YouTube copyright system to silence criticism of controversial movie Cuties"...
[00:47:56] <carny> requerdanos: maybe we need a different kind ;]
[00:48:10] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Netflix Uses YouTube Copyright System to Silence Criticism of Controversial Movie Cuties" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:48:17] <AzumaHazuki> ...and see, here we have a full-on Pizzagater
[00:48:29] <carny> she has probably done more to expose corruption and abuse than the whole soylent news network put together
[00:48:55] <carny> i am instantly suspicious of anyone who denigrates her work
[00:49:14] <requerdanos> who are some who do that?
[00:49:25] <AzumaHazuki> but do you see the problem? there's not much daylight between you and nutsobar Runaway here. That makes me less likely to follow up on your statements and recommendations, regardless of the truth value :/
[00:49:29] <guy_> Pizza?
[00:49:41] <guy_> Oh, you mean pizza-pedos
[00:49:57] <guy_> or pedopizza
[00:49:59] <AzumaHazuki> because this is all weighed in terms of finite resources, and what i have to ask is "given $PERSON's history, how likely is what they say/link to to be trustworthy?"
[00:50:20] <carny> guy_: you're familiar with the op that took place at comet ping pong i take it?
[00:50:37] <AzumaHazuki> this is exactly why i keep yelling at ari to quit trolling; because he has good things to say and no one gives a fuck thanks to him ruining his reputation
[00:50:49] <guy_> negative - I've heard pizza gate, but - oh - wait, it was AT comet that it all happened?
[00:51:19] <carny> where a man showed up and fired exactly one shot that just happened to go through a door and hit a server and just happened to ruin the hard drive that would have been very useful in an investigation of the persons and premises?
[00:51:36] <requerdanos> careful, saying that it happened AT a particular place implies that it happened at all
[00:51:46] <guy_> yeah, sorta vaguely familiar with that
[00:51:56] <AzumaHazuki> ...that is some JMH-level paranoia on the face of it
[00:52:10] <carny> requerdanos: well the proprietor was very enthusastic about posting a photo of the damaged server to facebook
[00:52:17] <guy_> Though shalt not invoke the name of JMH in IRC
[00:52:34] <AzumaHazuki> why not? if i say it three times will he appear and grant me walls of text or something?
[00:52:40] <AzumaHazuki> like bloody mary but nutsier?
[00:52:40] <requerdanos> "Though" roughly means "however"
[00:52:55] <carny> for some reason there was no investigation of any of the allegations tho
[00:52:59] <guy_> OH JESUS THOU SHALT NOT INVOKE THE NAME OF MJH
[00:53:06] <AzumaHazuki> MJH MJH MJH
[00:53:07] <guy_> LORD SAVE US ALL
[00:53:32] <AzumaHazuki> while(true) echo "Michael J. Hudson";
[00:53:57] <guy_> The sky is turning dark now . . . what is next?
[00:54:08] <AzumaHazuki> ...it's nighttime, you dork-off
[00:54:08] <requerdanos> the CPU is likely to get warm
[00:54:21] <guy_> Oh, that's a relief
[00:54:58] <AzumaHazuki> anyway...that COULD have happened. and i have no doubt that "rich, powerful paedophile" is a designation that crosses party lines, because at the top, there really is only money. and sociopaths are unnaturally selected for power and money
[00:55:13] <AzumaHazuki> so...what do we do about this?
[00:55:17] * RandomFactor breaks out the nightvision. Doesn't look dark out.
[00:55:29] <requerdanos> so today I lost $10000
[00:55:45] <guy_> want me to search your car?
[00:55:49] <RandomFactor> Quit watching your 401k
[00:56:49] <requerdanos> sadly, this was $10000 pocket dollars. Instead of getting a check back at mortgage closing next week of about $5k, I am instead going to have to pay closing costs of about $5k. $10k net loss.
[00:57:12] <requerdanos> The bank mildly regrets the error.
[00:57:23] <guy_> You're saying it's not in the car? I've already thrown the seats out in the driveway.
[00:57:39] <requerdanos> It is unfortunately not in the car.
[00:58:17] <requerdanos> the bank is lowering the amount of the loan to compensate, so it's "not a loss" but sure feels like one
[00:58:41] <AzumaHazuki> christ, i don't think i've ever even seen 10K in one place
[00:58:42] <guy_> I guess you know the rear seat never seats properly when you put it back in
[00:59:33] <RandomFactor> Take out those brick shaped baggies and it fits better
[00:59:36] <requerdanos> I have never participated in a mortgage before. The people involved seem to think nothing of the huge (to me) sums involved.
[00:59:52] <RandomFactor> They think of them...in their own pockets
[01:00:01] <guy_> I thought the baggies were there to keep the seat level?
[01:00:10] <RandomFactor> Honest Officer.
[01:00:55] <requerdanos> And I still kind of think that anyone willing to lend me enough money for a *house* should have his/her head examined
[01:01:00] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: the whole process is kind of nauseating huh? playing casual with your entire financial life
[01:01:12] <requerdanos> that's a pretty good description, sure.
[01:01:51] <AzumaHazuki> this entire system is fucked. if i ever make it to canada and manage to save enough, i'm going to flat-out BUY a small parcel of land and get a couple of shipping containers turned into a tiny house. 16x20x8 should be plenty
[01:02:09] <RandomFactor> They aren't lending you the money, that loan will be bundled and sold before you make the first payment
[01:02:36] <AzumaHazuki> our money is floating, fiat currency. it's the delusion of a dream of a promise to...do something
[01:03:58] <requerdanos> yes, they have given me a notice that they intend to "transfer" the processing of the loan
[01:04:33] <RandomFactor> Congratulations, you are officially a financial instrument.
[01:04:44] <requerdanos> But, right now I have a little money, next week I am scheduled to be broke but with a nice new house.
[01:04:59] <requerdanos> Thanks. I feel pretty instrumental.
[01:05:08] <AzumaHazuki> pray that you never experience homelessness (if you haven't already i mean)
[01:05:19] <AzumaHazuki> in so many timelines i am dead, dead, dead, or even worse...
[01:05:20] <RandomFactor> At least you'll be dry for a while.
[01:05:32] <requerdanos> Been homeless a couple times :) Don't want to go back. Having a house is quite the step up.
[01:06:00] * AzumaHazuki hopes she can have one someday but for now is just content to be stable(ish) in a nice place
[01:06:07] <RandomFactor> I regret all those years of apartment living. Stupid in retrospect.
[01:06:25] <AzumaHazuki> people can't understand why i love Buffalo. even i kind of can't quantify it, but people are like "Eww, really? And you LIKE that place, WTF"
[01:06:54] <RandomFactor> Buffulo? They have a try-to-keep-warm dance named after the place. Count me out.
[01:07:13] <AzumaHazuki> Erie must have been even worse then because this feels like a huge step up
[01:07:25] <AzumaHazuki> and i like it way better than Madison and Milwaukee
[01:07:52] <RandomFactor> I went to Madison once. A sheet of ice as far as the eye can see and nice microbreweries.
[01:08:09] <AzumaHazuki> the place felt gross, like some kind of Stepford nightmare
[01:08:13] <requerdanos> So the biggest difference is not "Go Bills" vs "Go Pack" ?
[01:08:37] <RandomFactor> Also cheese.
[01:08:45] <requerdanos> and of course the Evil Corrupt Republican(tm) I have been reading about in the Foxconn story
[01:08:56] <AzumaHazuki> Buffalonians are a lot more like NYC people. blunt but honest. Madison was full of...well, what you get if you knock "Minnesota nice" down a few tax brackets and 20 IQ points
[01:09:21] <AzumaHazuki> it felt phony as fuck
[01:19:30] <tedious> Isn't Madison a college town?
[01:20:09] <AzumaHazuki> yes, and i've noticed that means "a whole lotta priviliged kids on daddy's money shitting the place up"
[01:20:30] <AzumaHazuki> it's such a dichotomy. college towns have a lot of good things going for them (Buffalo KINDA is one too) but the richer ones, well...
[01:27:01] <c0lo> @AzumaHazuki https://www.youtube.com
[01:27:29] <AzumaHazuki> yeah...those are adverts mostly. mine, if i ever get one, will not be glamorous
[01:27:41] <AzumaHazuki> what it will be is solid, functional, well-built, and minimal
[01:28:40] <AzumaHazuki> i'd love to get two shipping containers side by side and have a mostly open floorplan, just walls and door for bathroom and bedroom
[01:29:24] <c0lo> Have their value to pick up ideas. Never trust yourself with "I know exactly what I need", you'll be disappointed most of the time.
[01:29:47] <AzumaHazuki> oh, yeah, i've been watching this channel for a while, and looking at lots of houses out here too
[01:29:51] <c0lo> s/Have/They have/
[01:29:51] <SedBot> <c0lo> They have their value to pick up ideas. Never trust yourself with "I know exactly what I need", you'll be disappointed most of the time.
[01:30:44] <AzumaHazuki> i want pretty grey or slate-green siding, black accents, and a slate shingle-type roof outside i think. inside will be mostly white with black accents and medium wood tones, silver/nickel hardware
[01:31:21] <AzumaHazuki> bathroom will be white with subway tile, a big window, and black metal or bronze-finish hardware
[01:31:33] <c0lo> The walls of the container have structural role too. Open plan will mean heavy mods on those containers.
[01:32:06] <AzumaHazuki> i was thinking just cutting the middle facing walls out to end up with 16'x20' interior and bracing as needed
[01:33:34] <c0lo> Better start learning how to weld, you'll need serious reinforcements.
[01:35:20] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[01:35:42] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[01:35:44] <systemd> ^ 03Supporting the Cutouts of Our Shipping Containers!
[01:35:53] <AzumaHazuki> SIPs or even plain stick framing may be a better idea. i'm open to lots of different ideas
[01:36:54] <AzumaHazuki> the other option is an 8x40 container but that...is a bit weird looking inside
[01:36:57] <c0lo> I was just saying that you need to take research seriously before jumping into doing it.
[01:37:17] <AzumaHazuki> oh, definitely. this is years and years away if it ever happens. i don't even know if i'll be alive in 3 months' time
[01:37:28] <c0lo> And somehow mocking nutherguy is NOT contributing to that research.
[01:39:49] <AzumaHazuki> i've got time. mocking runaway is evergreen
[01:41:27] <c0lo> So you think. But YOLO. And it's short
[01:41:47] <c0lo> Anyhoo, your choice.
[01:52:49] <AzumaHazuki> i'm pretty sure i have past life memories actually
[01:52:59] <AzumaHazuki> and they would explain why being inside a hospital feels so nostalgic
[01:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> if those memories are real, i was some kind of hospital worker last time around. and also a man, ugh. i think i died in my 50s, too, sometime in the late 70s or early 80s. And it was in Flushing, which is where i grew up in this life
[01:59:28] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: You might be cray cray. Just sayin'.
[01:59:48] <AzumaHazuki> that is entirely possible. all things taken into account, though? i doubt it
[02:00:12] <AzumaHazuki> i will cop to PTSD and possibly an anxiety disorder, but that
[02:00:19] <AzumaHazuki> ...that's not crazy the way you mean it
[02:00:47] <Teckla> Hey, I hear ya. I'm on Lexapro.
[02:01:00] <Teckla> Well, the generic equivalent.
[02:01:23] <AzumaHazuki> i am on nothing. i refuse to touch any of those things. though if someone prescribes me prazosin (Minipress) I'll take it
[02:02:02] <AzumaHazuki> that's an alpha blocker but it turns out it's good for PTSD and nightmares. a customer of mine from Erie is a shellshocked veteran and he says prazosin gave him his life back
[02:02:41] <Teckla> AzumaHazuki: Lexapro helps with both my depression and anxiety. There's no weird "numbness" or anything, either.
[02:04:02] <Teckla> Not sure if it would work for PTSD, though. Don't think I've ever had that.
[02:04:39] <Teckla> Hopefully your PTSD isn't too bad/is manageable.
[02:04:51] <AzumaHazuki> it...has to be manageable. i have no choice
[02:05:32] <AzumaHazuki> the nightmares have mostly stopped and i'm not the violent sort. but someone poked me in the back and i shot a foot in the air...was a sweet middle-aged tech just wanting to introduce herself :/
[02:05:40] <Teckla> Let me know if you ever want to chat with a stranger about it.
[02:06:07] <AzumaHazuki> benefits don't kick in for 2 months so you won't be able to bill me for it =P
[02:06:23] <Teckla> Heh. I'm free. :)
[02:07:05] <AzumaHazuki> i won't do that to you...i've come this far almost entirely alone. and, every time i've tried to get help, either nothing happened or things got worse
[02:07:09] <Teckla> Not an expert or anything, but decent enough listener, and can somewhat relate.
[02:07:20] <Teckla> Okay.
[02:07:32] <AzumaHazuki> thank you for the offer though :) is sweet of you
[02:08:19] <Teckla> My boring story is endless years of being brutally bullied while growing up. It tends to fuck up your brain for life.
[02:08:58] <AzumaHazuki> ...yes. yes it does. that was the least of my problems though
[02:09:11] <Teckla> Eeek. :(
[02:09:41] <AzumaHazuki> to be fair the bullying mostly stopped in 7th grade when i figured "you know what, whether i do nothing or talk back or hit back, nothing changes. so i'm going to do what the fuck i want"
[02:10:12] <AzumaHazuki> and just went berserk on three bullies. one of them ended up with a broken nose, 3 cracked ribs, and apparently narrowly missed a punctured lung
[02:10:24] <Teckla> :O
[02:10:45] <AzumaHazuki> girls bully physically too. maybe just the ones in rough areas like where i went to school but they do
[02:11:21] <Teckla> I hate bullies
[02:11:39] <AzumaHazuki> we need a better word. "bully" does not describe what some of this shit entails
[02:11:51] <AzumaHazuki> it sounds almost cute, or like something harmless and innocent
[02:11:53] <Teckla> Tormentor?
[02:12:02] <Teckla> Abuser?
[02:12:20] <AzumaHazuki> makes them sound too powerful. "Sociopathic little shit" works but it's too long and also a swear :v
[02:12:40] <Teckla> Oooh, I do like that, though, heh
[02:13:15] <AzumaHazuki> that thing about bullies having low self-esteem is bullshit. most of them have way too much and more than anything need the entire rainbow of shit scared out of them. preferably with blunt force
[02:14:34] <Teckla> :O
[02:15:26] <AzumaHazuki> i mean it. i never got physically bullied again after that
[02:15:56] <AzumaHazuki> because "holy shit that girl went crazy!"
[02:15:57] <Teckla> Well, that is good :)
[02:16:33] <AzumaHazuki> yeah. less good was that i ran completely out of fucks at my suspension hearing and told the principal "I'm doing the job you won't do and i'm 12. Give me your paycheck. I solved what you couldn't"
[02:17:32] <AzumaHazuki> and of course precious sweetum's mother was all like "WHAT IF SHE DIED YOU COULD HAVE COLLAPSED HER LUNG!?" To which I said "then she will go to Hell and so will you for raising her to act like that." That got me an extra week :D
[02:17:56] <AzumaHazuki> the look on her face though
[02:19:02] <Teckla> :O
[02:19:48] <AzumaHazuki> yeah. 7th grade is when i officially gave up on the human race, when i let all those sneaking suspicions since the age of 6 i'd had about people being mostly full of shit just have free reign
[02:26:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Waymo Offers Fully Driverless Ride Hailing in Phoenix - https://sylnt.us - look-ma-no-driver!
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[06:03:27] <c0lo> 1%-20% chances of kessler today: https://twitter.com
[06:03:28] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[06:47:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Simulations Reveal that Rocky Super-Earths are Often Protected by a Jupiter-Like Planet - https://sylnt.us - guardians-of-the-solar-system
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[07:45:49] <Soycow_Lover> =submit https://www.washingtonexaminer.com
[07:45:50] <systemd> Submitting "Coup porn: Resistance sees military removing Trump from office"...
[07:46:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Coup Porn: Resistance Sees Military Removing Trump From Office" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:52:48] * FatPhil wonders what the difference between "Energy Saving Mode" and just dropping the Brightness setting of his telly is...
[08:05:28] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[08:05:30] <systemd> Submitting "The markets now predict that Donald Trump will lose the US election. Here's how we know - ABC News"...
[08:05:53] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03The Markets Now Predict That Donald Trump Will Lose the US Election. Here's How We Know - ABC News" (38 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:06:06] <FatPhil> Are they confusing "pricing in a Biden win" with "predicting a Trump loss"?
[08:06:31] <FatPhil> If so, I'm glad I don't take my financial advice from them.
[08:06:39] <FatPhil> I guess I could go read it
[08:06:58] <FatPhil> There was a ZH story along the same lines a couple of days back.
[08:07:29] <FatPhil> Gartner's pinned Biden to the mast, for example, and lots of metapundits pay attention to Gartner.
[08:11:11] <FatPhil> Which makes me a metametapundit, I guess!
[08:13:52] <c0lo> "You may also notice the Mexican peso is number one on the chart as the biggest gainer so far this month. In the lead up to the 2016 election it fell to all-time lows against the US dollar." (because NAFTA and the big beautful wall and all that)
[08:14:39] <c0lo> "Now, the Mexican peso is rallying, or rising strongly. Traders believe Biden will win and relations between the two countries, as well as business flows, will improve significantly."
[08:15:03] <c0lo> This is why economy is a science.
[08:15:26] <c0lo> s/science./science :grin:/
[08:15:26] <SedBot> <c0lo> This is why economy is a science :grin:
[08:16:36] <FatPhil> Butbutbut traders believed Hillary would win last time - so the opposite trend this time should imply that they're predicting the opposite outcome
[08:17:30] <c0lo> Not cf the article "Along with the promised border wall, a Trump presidency was seen as a big negative for Mexico and so the currency plummeted. Unlike most of the pollsters, it correctly predicted a Trump victory."
[08:18:36] <FatPhil> Ah, OK
[08:19:58] <FatPhil> I fear for the world's safety if the US is stupid enough to vote in someone who's all-but-vegetative already. He makes Ronnie Raygun look like Joe 90.
[08:21:17] <FatPhil> Look for straw poking out of his sleeves at public appearances in a couple of years time, just sayin'
[08:28:25] <c0lo> Meh, like it matter who take the decision: the pretty nucular cimpanzee head or his team.
[08:28:38] <c0lo> s/matter/matters/
[08:28:38] <SedBot> <c0lo> Meh, like it matters who take the decision: the pretty nucular cimpanzee head or his team.
[08:28:54] <c0lo> =submit: https://www.abc.net.au
[08:29:32] <c0lo> =submit https://www.abc.net.au
[08:29:34] <systemd> Submitting "Makeshift research fleet undertakes first Great Barrier Reef 'census' citizen science project - ABC News"...
[08:29:56] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Makeshift Research Fleet Undertakes First Great Barrier Reef 'Census' Citizen Science Project - ABC " (35 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[13:15:04] <FatPhil> Who needs drivelby! https://youarenotsosmart.com
[13:15:51] <FatPhil> Wow, we only saw about 20% of your loonie potential on the news reports!
[13:16:11] <FatPhil> Some of that is stunning.
[13:26:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - BBC micro:bit v2 Board Announced - https://sylnt.us - a-little-bit,-better
[14:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeesh, just had to undo two mod bombs. one on $user1 by $user2 and one by $user1 on $user3.
[15:08:01] <Soycow_Lover> $user1 is $superpissedoff today?
[15:20:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> possibly. for all i know they enjoyed the mod bomb they were given and wanted to share the joy though.
[15:29:39] <requerdanos> How did $user1 have enough mod points to bomb two different users? Asking for a friend :)
[15:31:42] <lld> they had patience :)
[15:32:17] <Soycow_Lover> I think we both read that wrong
[15:32:25] <Soycow_Lover> user2 bombed user1
[15:32:33] <Soycow_Lover> then user1 bombed user3
[15:33:02] <Soycow_Lover> user1 blamed user3 for the bombing done by user2
[15:33:20] <requerdanos> oh! I get it now
[15:33:26] <requerdanos> thanks
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[16:44:56] <RandomFactor> So, User 1 was a vigilante and targeted an innocent User 3 for retribution. (Well, innocent of this at least, most likely there is going to be history between User 1 and User 3.) User 2 is presumably sitting back and lulzing.
[16:46:48] <requerdanos> we had a troll junkposter, fakedontrump or something, and I modded down only troll posts from that user (which was almost all of them). Wonder if anyone thought I was modbombing, or recognized the fundamental low value of the posts.
[16:47:45] <RandomFactor> I would really like to know the last time I tossed a downmod, should be something like 1.5 years or more.
[16:48:07] <RandomFactor> (And yes, that's a hell of a lot harder to manage than it sounds)
[16:48:18] <requerdanos> *nod* the goal of course is to make good posts rise above, moreso than to bury the junk ones
[16:50:25] <RandomFactor> Friend, Neutral, Enemy. Meh. I want a hidden "Ignored" option on that list that isn't public (I don't want clown people to go away mad, i just want them to go away silently.)
[16:54:40] <requerdanos> or, you want to pretend that they go away
[16:54:52] <RandomFactor> Out of sight, out of sight.
[16:55:07] <requerdanos> a pretense-problem is that you still see the replies of the trolled, feeding the troll, without seeing the troll
[16:55:23] <RandomFactor> true nuff
[16:55:29] <RandomFactor> but still better
[17:36:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Feds to Investigate the Chevrolet Bolt EV after Three Fires - https://sylnt.us - a-little-too-warm
[17:38:38] <requerdanos> In some cases, that might be sort of like putting up a fence in front of the dumpster but still being able to see and smell the dumpster fire.
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[17:38:58] <requerdanos> In other cases, as you say, it's good enough
[18:20:10] <Teckla> So I do this periodically, but you, my fellow nerds, would probably really enjoy the Grumpy Old Geeks podcast. Highly recommended.
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[19:46:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Minimally Invasive Procedure May Free Type 2 Diabetics From Insulin - https://sylnt.us - gut-check
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[21:03:51] <FatPhil> Well, as we say here in Elbonia, everything's a sex toy if you're brave enough.
[21:13:01] * RandomFactor books a vacation to Elbonia
[21:14:34] * TheMightyBuzzard offers FatPhil some flapjacks and a 6' length of 1/2" all-thread
[21:15:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry, two meter length of 13mm all-thread
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[21:56:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Final Nail in the Coffin for Yahoo Groups Lands December 15 - https://sylnt.us - if-only-it-were-facebook
[22:50:55] <nutherguy> Dominican-American police chiefs have some kinda nerve, acting independently of the mayor
[22:51:27] <nutherguy> Won't lick the boots of Democratic mayors, they got to go!
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