#soylent | Logs for 2020-10-13
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[00:12:09] <nutherguy> EBTFueled? Huh . . .
[00:15:41] <Bytram> nutherguy++ LOL!
[00:15:41] <Bender> karma - nutherguy: 6
[00:16:49] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: Look on the bright side? I suspect there won't be too much competition to get a seat on the bus?
[00:18:31] <AzumaHazuki> indeed
[00:19:12] <AzumaHazuki> well...6-8 weeks of getting up at fuck-you-o'clock for training, then onto night shift. this should give me time to practice meal prep and suchlike
[00:19:29] <AzumaHazuki> and to get a good sleep mask, some blackout drapes...
[00:20:02] <Bytram> make it in bulk... /me still has two servings of his ham stew to finish eating
[00:20:35] <Bytram> one day
[00:21:03] <AzumaHazuki> yup. i can eat the same thing with no boredom for 3 days or so. the key is snacking. going to get some small snack containers and load them with carrots, celery, etc
[00:21:30] <AzumaHazuki> i'll eat one huge meal 2 hours before work, haul buns out to the hospital, and just nibble during the shift
[00:21:30] <Bytram> one day's cooking got me 4 gallons of hearty ham stew and a gallon of split pea soup.
[00:21:59] <Bytram> Gnawed! Gnawed!
[00:22:05] <Bytram> ;^)
[00:36:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Laptops are on Fire! in a Good Way -- PC Sales Race to Highest Growth Rate Since 2011 - https://sylnt.us - hot-stuff
[00:46:31] <nutherguy> Hey AzumaHazuki - serious question:
[00:46:45] <AzumaHazuki> swordfish
[00:46:49] <AzumaHazuki> it's always swordfish
[00:47:01] <RandomFactor> or balls
[00:47:02] <RandomFactor> =submit http://www.sci-news.com
[00:47:03] <nutherguy> WTF does a pharmacist have to work in the hospital?
[00:47:04] <systemd> Submitting "Archaeologists Find 3,000-Year-Old Balls in China"...
[00:47:20] <nutherguy> Do you know yet, or are you going to learn WTF?
[00:47:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Archaeologists Find 3,000-Year-Old Balls in China" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:48:02] <nutherguy> Balls . . .
[00:48:02] <AzumaHazuki> really? an incredible amount of medicine gets delivered, packaged, dosed, compounded, there are machines to stock on every floor, IVs need to be made on strict sterile terms...
[00:48:35] <requerdanos> ... opoids to count ...
[00:48:42] <AzumaHazuki> there's diaysis fluids, crystalloids, total parental nutrition preps...
[00:48:47] <nutherguy> Go on - I'm listening - is it the intense pressure weeding out the less competent?
[00:49:33] <AzumaHazuki> there's a rhythm, almost like a tide or slow, massive heartbeat. doing rounds to stock patient cabinets, filling the Pyxis machines, etc
[00:49:41] <requerdanos> The short answer is "Patients in hospitals have to take drugs, and for a patient to take drugs, someone has to dispense them."
[00:49:55] <Bytram> catching drug interactions that the Drs missed
[00:50:00] <AzumaHazuki> and there are stat orders too. clot busters for example
[00:50:28] <AzumaHazuki> ...n-acetylcysteins for the APAP suicides...
[00:50:31] <requerdanos> unfortunately, laws prevent prescription drug dispensing by vending machine, random idiot, or free-for-all.
[00:50:39] <nutherguy> Okay, so you get most of that in a private pharmacy - I'm still seeing the pressure test as primary reason for it
[00:52:17] <requerdanos> I mean, you can get the drugs by mail order from India, but that takes an inconveniently long time with respect to just-in-time delivery
[00:52:25] <nutherguy> secondary reason would be the greater variety of tasks needed to be done
[00:52:45] <RandomFactor> =submit Smile! https://www.hackread.com
[00:52:47] <systemd> Submitting "3TB of clips from hacked home security cameras posted online"...
[00:53:11] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "033TB of Clips From Hacked Home Security Cameras Posted Online" (27 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:56:08] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.helpnetsecurity.com
[00:56:09] <systemd> Submitting "Microsoft and partners cut off key Trickbot botnet infrastructure - Help Net Security"...
[00:56:31] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Microsoft and Partners Cut Off Key Trickbot Botnet Infrastructure - Help Net Security" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[00:57:28] <AzumaHazuki> it's mostly about timeliness and consistency, plus making sure doctors don't fuck up or forget something
[00:58:15] <Bytram> units and orders of magnitude, too... e.g. grams vs drams
[00:58:19] <AzumaHazuki> like we can see "Okay, taking up the cartfill for 8A. Checking against the charts, a packet is here for each patie--hold it, Mrs Smith just had a knee replacement. Are we doing anything for VTE prophylaxis?"
[00:58:48] <Bytram> =g VTE
[00:58:48] <systemd> https://www.worldthrombosisday.org - Venous Thromboembolism (VTE) - World Thrombosis Day
[00:59:27] <AzumaHazuki> or "I've got a warning here, says Mr. Brown has a penicillin allergy. Monobactams aren't quite the same but has anyone checked as to whether it's strictly *cillin allergy or general beta-lactam allergy?"
[01:02:14] <tedious> AzumaHazuki: What do you thinkk about the nasty rumor that doctors oppose using automation to catch mistakes because that might affect their job security?
[01:03:06] <AzumaHazuki> likey true. fuck 'em, we're here for patients, not doctors
[01:03:08] <tedious> Like why can't we have smarter systems that catch those problems you just mentioned 100% of the time like computers are good at?
[01:03:39] <tedious> Instead of relying on humans to catch them 99% of the time?
[01:04:36] <requerdanos> it should pop up a message, perhaps "verify: (problem), proceed or not" to train the non-problem-solving humans that "you hafta press proceed when that pops up"
[01:05:04] <AzumaHazuki> medicine is ugly. i really think all industries are ugly when you look closely at them. and the US system is an order of magnitude worse because of how fucking profit-driven it is
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[01:05:19] <Bytram> tedious: be aware that sometimes, great ideas are a problem -- have you ever tried to get around a modal dialog box on a computer?
[01:05:26] <tedious> requerdanos: The problem with that is humans get lazy and impatient and just click the button to make the popup go away.
[01:05:47] <AzumaHazuki> right
[01:05:52] <chromas> That's why everyone's on Win 10 now
[01:05:54] <requerdanos> well, that's why we can't have smarter systems that catch the problems 100% of the time.
[01:06:10] <AzumaHazuki> the computer is a tool. it's not able to do our job for us...
[01:06:55] <tedious> Ok but we should at least have diagnostic software that does a better job of catching uncommon things that doctors might not think of.
[01:07:15] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki++ what might be a great idea for one patient could be lethal to another
[01:07:15] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 35
[01:07:20] <tedious> That's the sort of thing that software can do well.
[01:07:24] <RandomFactor> Prime Day is looking a bit sucktastic. Maybe they'll have more tomorrow.
[01:07:34] <Bytram> tedious: are you familiar with "Inside Risks" ??
[01:07:45] <Bytram> =g "Inside Risks"
[01:07:46] <systemd> http://www.csl.sri.com - CACM Inside Risks
[01:08:26] <Bytram> For every problem there is a solution that is simple, obvious, and wrong.
[01:08:44] <RandomFactor> Don't drink, don't smoke....must be something Inside.
[01:08:49] <AzumaHazuki> situations evolve too, sometimes really quick
[01:09:29] <AzumaHazuki> we want to keep that rhythm of deliveries nice and steady and ideally done a little ahead of time precisely because a stat order happens at the worst times
[01:11:14] <tedious> Bytram: I'm not suggesting to use simple and stupid software.
[01:11:19] * Bytram just found out today he has a buddy in the hospital with stage 4 kidney cancer... was getting dialysis 2x week and only found out about it when he felt "under the weather" one night and was in great pain the next day... called an ambulance and is doing better, but prognosis is not great
[01:11:38] <tedious> But this is exactly the kind of problem that Expert Systems were designed for.
[01:11:44] <AzumaHazuki> arrrrrgh >< yeah it can take you like that
[01:12:05] <AzumaHazuki> people can suddenly find out they've got Something Bad Inside that's been festering quietly for ages
[01:12:19] <Bytram> he's still in pain, but apparently in much better shape than when they took him in.
[01:12:57] <RandomFactor> Sorry Bytram, that's rough.
[01:13:14] <Bytram> obliged.
[01:14:35] <Bytram> He's been down a tough road with substance abuse for many years... finally got clean and sober (had a tough go of doing that!) and now that he's on the other side of his addiction, past activities are catching up with him. :(
[01:16:54] <Bytram> Working for a cable company, high on heroin, climbs a pole to string the cable to the premises, gets electrocuted and falls off the pole... got banged up a bit and was (his words) vibrating for a minute or two... but otherwise okay.
[01:17:14] <AzumaHazuki> ye gods @_@
[01:17:22] <Bytram> yep!
[01:18:10] <Bytram> There'[s a saying in AA that january 1st is "amateur night" -- now you have an idea why.
[01:18:32] <Bytram> biab -- dishes
[01:19:26] <RandomFactor> I've spent recent new-years days staying the hell away from anything on wheels. Dun trust peoples.
[01:20:13] <RandomFactor> s/s days/s/
[01:20:13] <SedBot> <RandomFactor> I've spent recent new-years staying the hell away from anything on wheels. Dun trust peoples.
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[01:39:48] <AzumaHazuki> bloody router...
[01:49:17] <requerdanos> Remote host seems to have closed your connection. shades of peer's connection resetting ways.
[01:50:07] <requerdanos> you missed nothing, btw
[01:50:48] <nutherguy> @ randomfactor - I might drive on New Year - Halloween is the night that I will not drive
[01:54:20] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.rt.com
[01:54:23] <systemd> Submitting "Johnson & Johnson pauses coronavirus vaccine study, citing ‘unexplained illness’ in volunteer"...
[01:54:45] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03Johnson & Johnson Pauses Coronavirus Vaccine Study, Citing ‘Unexplained Illness’ in Volunteer" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:54:47] <nutherguy> It was astra-zenica that was paused a couple weeks ago, right?
[01:55:48] <nutherguy> yeah - it was
[01:59:11] <AzumaHazuki> i should try and sleep, need to be up in 7 hours ><
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[02:00:06] <Bytram> sounds like a plan -- I should be heading to bed soon, myself.
[02:05:05] <nutherguy> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[02:05:07] <systemd> Submitting "Foxconn Won't Get Tax Subsidies After Failing to Deliver Factory and Jobs It Promised"...
[02:05:29] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Foxconn Won't Get Tax Subsidies After Failing to Deliver Factory and Jobs It Promised" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:46:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Carnival Corp. Confirms Personal Information Compromised in Ransomware Incident - https://sylnt.us
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[03:50:51] <driveby> https://thepostmillennial.com
[03:50:52] <systemd> ^ 03Electronic Arts teams up with the ADL to enforce social justice in gaming
[03:50:57] <driveby> lolllllll
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[04:57:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Linux 5.9 Released - https://sylnt.us - penguin++
[07:08:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scammers are Sending Fake Texts About FedEx and USPS Packages - https://sylnt.us - package-phishing
[08:39:13] <nutherguy> Social justice in gaming . . . just fucking WOW!
[08:45:28] <c0lo> That putz isn't rambling about gaming. Verbatim: "will mean the inevitable control of gaining by the woke."
[09:16:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Only 13 Percent of Businesses Use Public Cloud Across the Organization - https://sylnt.us - someone-else's-computer
[09:26:47] <FatPhil> Social Justice Fucknuttery hit gaming ages back. And like a cancer, when it gets in it does everything it can in order to grow, even if that means killing the host.
[10:04:16] <c0lo> @FatPhil if you think a company which used loot boxes to "harvest' the player money in 2017 has a "social justice" ethos... maybe you are interested to buy the Eiffel Tower?
[10:34:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[10:34:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5368
[10:36:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone using woke as anything bur a pejorative is a fool to begin with. they're obviously anti-nap and someone fundamentally unwise should never be met with anything but derision.
[10:38:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[10:38:02] <Bender> karma - naps: 117
[11:16:45] <FatPhil> c0lo: I'm not sure how what I wrote can be used to infer what you suggest.
[11:20:03] <c0lo> @FatPhil by putting what you said in the context of "Electronic Arts teams up with the ADL to enforce social justice in gaming". Were you much more subtle? :grin:
[11:26:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Five Eyes Nations Plus Japan and India Call for Big Tech to Bake Backdoors Into Everything - https://sylnt.us - why-we-can't-have-nice-things
[11:27:05] <c0lo> Long live small tech, then.
[12:06:13] <FatPhil> Let me reframe it this way - You: "X shits in own bed". Me: "Y has been shitting in X's bed for a while". You: "If you're saying X [anything...]". Me: "read for comprehension next time".
[12:08:10] <c0lo> @FatPhil too subtle. You win
[13:38:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Undocumented Backdoor That Covertly Takes Snapshots Found in Kids’ Smartwatch - https://sylnt.us - hidden-features
[13:56:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Undocumented Backdoor that Covertly Takes Snapshots Found in Kids’ Smartwatch - https://sylnt.us - hidden-features
[14:01:34] <requerdanos> Yes, bender, thank you.
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[14:05:44] <FatPhil> ITYM "Thank you, thank you", no?
[14:06:01] <requerdanos> it's the T -> t at issue, right?
[14:07:59] <FatPhil> Ah, I thought you were referring to the unnecessarily redundant duplicated repetition.
[14:08:55] <requerdanos> Well, it's the unnecessarily redundant duplicated repetition, actually. But "Thank you, thank you" has one each of [Tt] also.
[14:10:25] <FatPhil> There's no need to break the rules of grammar to make a joke
[14:10:31] <FatPhil> (but it sometimes can help)
[14:14:14] <Bytram> I was a wee lad at the time, so I may be misremembering the statement, but after laboriously looking up all the words in an English sentence in a English<-->French dictionary and presenting the "translation" to my dad, he laughed, and I felt crestfallen. He explained it did not work that way and tried to explain "grammar" with an example: "The fox brown quick the dog lazy over jumped."
[14:32:57] <c0lo> @FatPhil finally freed my sole neuron and got where the convo derailed. Should've grinned after the "Verbatim..." post - he *is* about gaming but escaped a Freudian slip with his "control of gaining"
[14:33:23] <c0lo> Apologies, I'll grin more often :grin:
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[15:20:34] <halibut> FatPhil: Concerning the knight's move coordinates:
[15:20:34] <halibut> I think Perl uses the underlying hardware's representation of negative integers, which is 2s complement on x86/amd64 computers.
[15:20:37] <halibut> Just showing the 3 least significant bits, one is 001, and two is 010. 001+111=000, so 111 is the representation of negative one. Likewise, 010+110=000, so 110 is the representation of negative two.
[15:20:41] <halibut> (decimal) (-1)^3 is (binary) 111^011=100, or (decimal) -4. (decimal) (-2)^3 is (binary) 110^011=101, or (decimal) -3. The behavior you want for negative numbers is to XOR by 1, not 3.
[15:20:45] <halibut> These seem to work, but are not quite as elegant as your version (replace $x with $y and $a with $b for the other coordinate) (also, they seem to require the use integer directive to prevent unsigned overflow converting to floats):
[15:20:49] <halibut> $x+(-1,-2,0,2,1)[$a-$x+2]; # Use a lookup.
[15:20:50] <halibut> $x+(($a-$x)^(($a<$x)?1:3)); # Yours with a conditional to switch the XOR.
[15:20:50] <halibut> $x+(($a-$x)^3^((($a-$x)>>2)&2)); # Yours, using the sign bit to switch the XOR.
[15:20:53] <halibut> $x+($a-$x)*2-int(($a-$x)/2)*3; # Use truncation (round-to-zero) to distinguish 1 from 2.
[15:40:04] <FatPhil> halibut: yeah, I spotted the wrong constant for the XOR yesterday
[15:42:28] <FatPhil> I was trying to avoid any special handling for sign. In the end I just cheated and used a pair of <=> expressions to generate the opposite corners of the rhombus at (x+/-3, y+/-3), and with three corners, the 4th is trivial.
[15:43:48] <FatPhil> I think (-1,-2,0,2,1)[$a-$x+2] is just (0,2,1,-1,-2)[$a-$x], because [-1] and [-2] index from the end of the array.
[15:46:34] <halibut> Good catch on the negative indices.
[15:46:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Grounded Airline Planes Turned Into Pop-Up Restaurants Sell Out in 30 Minutes - https://sylnt.us - just-so-wrong
[15:48:17] <FatPhil> I was just about to check in the code now, I think I'll convert to the array version. I like small lookups for simplifying things.
[15:49:00] <FatPhil> Thanks!
[15:50:32] <halibut> You are welcome. Glad I could help. Also, it was an interesting test to see if I could do something without obvious conditionals.
[15:50:46] <halibut> Out of curiosity, what were the <=> expressions you were using?
[15:52:35] <FatPhil> inputs are ix,iy, cx,cy:
[15:52:36] <FatPhil> my ($dx,$dy)=($cx-$ix,$cy-$iy);
[15:52:36] <FatPhil> my ($rx,$ry)=($dx<=>0,$dy<=>0);
[15:52:36] <FatPhil> my ($fx,$fy)=($ix+3*$rx-$dx,$iy+3*$ry-$dy);
[15:54:18] <c0lo> Or translate into always positives (+1), xor 3 (or, idk, 7), translate back - only arithmetic, no arrays, less tricky at code reading.
[15:57:21] <halibut> I considered using a sgn() function, but did not know if Perl had one. It did not occur to me to use <=>0 as an sgn() function (-1 if negative, +1 if positive, 0 if 0). That was clever.
[15:59:05] <FatPhil> yeah, <=>'s a lovely little operator, it has many uses
[16:01:06] <FatPhil> All tests pass - I'll now check that in!
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[17:49:53] <FatPhil> Coronavirus snot just nailed ~ Juventus's Cristiano Ronaldo. (anagram)
[17:56:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Warns Android Users About a New Ransomware - https://sylnt.us - very-sneaky
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[19:48:55] <guy_> =submit https://bigleaguepolitics.com
[19:48:56] <systemd> guy_, 04submit failed: Encoding an invalid code point in UTF-8
[19:49:58] <guy_> =submit https://www.the-scientist.com
[19:50:51] <guy_> hmmm, did I make systemd barf?
[19:51:28] <guy_> #submit https://www.the-scientist.com
[19:51:29] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[19:51:54] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[19:51:56] <guy_> MrPlow will eat anything
[19:58:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Imagination Announces B-Series GPU IP: Scaling up with Multi-GPU - https://sylnt.us - great-imagination
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[21:39:30] <AzumaHazuki> i missed inpatient <3 today felt like coming home
[21:48:42] <FatPhil> you missed an inpatient's heart? were you trying to administer some intracardiac injection?
[22:03:03] <AzumaHazuki> no, no, i mean i missed working inpatient
[22:03:37] <AzumaHazuki> i don't DO the injections, though pretty soon i may be preparing them. training for USP 797/compounded sterile prep begins in about a month
[22:07:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wisconsin Denies Foxconn Tax Subsidies after Contract Negotiations Fail - https://sylnt.us - fox-conned?
[22:18:31] <pinchy> hot beef injection
[22:19:20] <requerdanos> I don't think solid foods are directly injected, actually
[22:20:36] <AzumaHazuki> they're not. we do TPN though
[22:21:00] <AzumaHazuki> i really don't think TPN solutions are too healthy, incidentally. they could probably use some serious reformulating
[22:21:17] <requerdanos> if they make you not die of starvation, I guess they met their goal?
[22:21:52] <AzumaHazuki> short term, yes. as time goes on we're finding out more and more about the role of nutrition and the gut microbiome, though, and I question standard TPN's healthfulness
[22:22:11] <requerdanos> TPN is IV so not gut-routed, right?
[22:22:43] <AzumaHazuki> right, meaning the gut has essentially nothing to do while it's happening
[22:24:05] <AzumaHazuki> plus TPN usage has known complications. the liver appears to be affected, and hypo/hyperglycaemic states are a concern too
[22:24:49] <AzumaHazuki> then too i have no idea if vitamin deficiencies are accounted for or even considered, whether electrolyte balance is considered *before* it becomes an issue etc
[22:25:21] <AzumaHazuki> and then there's all the usual fun times with long-dwelling IV lines like infections, clot risk...