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[01:22:42] <AzumaHazuki> hey carny, you were saying something about starting a civil war? https://www.washingtonpost.com
[01:22:53] <systemd> ^ 03FBI charges six who it says plotted to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, as seven more who wanted to ignite civil war face state charges
[01:22:56] <AzumaHazuki> look at this bunch of lefti--er...hm...
[01:23:22] <AzumaHazuki> come on, spin your way out of this one you lying sack of hell
[01:24:20] <requerdanos> ah, I've seen this one. "Because this one group of right-wingers is dangerously insane, all right wingers are dangerously insane?"
[01:26:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MS Office without the Subscription - https://sylnt.us - no.sub.no.service?
[01:27:10] <AzumaHazuki> oh, no, i wasn't saying ALL right-wingers are nuts. Just that someone is trying to start a civil war and it ain't the people carny's accusing :)
[01:27:25] <requerdanos> Ah, your point is well taken.
[01:27:38] <AzumaHazuki> now, basically all rightwingers are dangerously insane, but most are also too weak-willed to do anything but armchair-general
[01:28:18] <requerdanos> Are there any people with right-tending positions who are simply honest people who disagree with opposing views?
[01:29:54] <AzumaHazuki> the ones who hold economic ones, yes
[01:30:07] <AzumaHazuki> many of them are just ignorant
[01:30:39] <AzumaHazuki> also, they have likely been lied to about what the positions they supposedly hold actually mean...or logically converge on when taken to their conclusions in the real world
[01:31:22] <AzumaHazuki> IMO they are mostly tripped up by some variant of the Just World Fallacy, combined with a severe lack of both imagination and ability to think ahead
[01:31:53] <requerdanos> I was somewhat impressed by the 'morally insane' description
[01:32:53] <AzumaHazuki> to hold the positions most right-wingers in the US do requires moral insanity, i.e., a psychotic break with observable facts about human nature and society
[02:09:45] <lld> aren't those anarchists?
[02:09:57] <lld> I suppose rightwing anarchists can be possible
[02:11:09] <lld> just so sick of the news putting in unrelated words together and leading you to the conclusion
[02:19:24] <c0lo> (hmmm... what the heck? Let's try) Morals over time in pop culture: https://www.youtube.com
[02:19:26] <systemd> ^ 037 Inappropriate Moments James Bond Wouldn't Get Away With Now
[02:24:50] <c0lo> @lld try this https://en.wikipedia.org
[02:26:37] <lld> I suppose its the spanish civilwar kind of anarchist
[02:27:51] <lld> basically statism envy
[02:29:09] <lld> I don't even know what movement I subscribe to anymore
[02:29:15] <lld> everyone is crazy
[02:30:51] <c0lo> @lld why do you feel the need to subscribe to a movement? Aren't you just enough for yourself?
[02:31:04] <c0lo> @lld try this: https://www.politicalcompass.org
[02:31:14] <lld> I can't find where I am even close to
[02:31:35] <lld> political compass tells me I am a mild conservative, but who knows
[02:34:50] <guy_> azumahazuki - that "right wing militia" isn't passing the smell test
[02:35:13] <guy_> remember the Muslims who were setup in an FBI sting in New York?
[02:35:22] <guy_> This looks like the same kind of sting
[02:35:25] <requerdanos> ah! it's secretly a left wing bunch of civil war nutjobs who want to kidnap the democratic governor of michigan. Much more likely
[02:35:39] <AzumaHazuki> of course. i should have known
[02:35:45] <guy_> most likely these six weren't smart enough to join any militia
[02:35:47] <lld> guy_: the closest I see is the kind of crazy the spanish civil war brought on
[02:35:59] <AzumaHazuki> and they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids and their talking dog
[02:36:09] <guy_> they were going to buy their explosives from the FBI agent?
[02:36:13] <requerdanos> How the Spanish civil war fits in, I honestly and candidly admit I don't see
[02:36:14] <guy_> that's not a militia
[02:36:21] <lld> requerdanos: the most capitalist communism and the most statist anarchists
[02:36:39] <lld> sounds oxymoron, until you see what they tried to do
[02:36:51] <requerdanos> just sounds lukewarm.
[02:36:53] <AzumaHazuki> ah, so a bunch of lying liars who lie in order to push their real agenda. kinda like the National "Socialists"
[02:37:05] <AzumaHazuki> or the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea
[02:37:33] <lld> the communists consolidated all the workers and factories for "efficiency"
[02:37:46] <lld> and confiscate the output to sell on the international market
[02:37:50] <lld> for cold hard currency
[02:37:55] <guy_> c0lo i think lld is constipated so he feels the need for a movement
[02:38:18] <lld> guy_: more like I can't find any word to describe
[02:38:28] <AzumaHazuki> what's wrong runaway, annoyed he's not taking your side immediately so you're going to start needling him now?
[02:38:28] <lld> the anarchists oth, setup coops
[02:38:49] <lld> coops that prohibit anyone from trading with outsiders
[02:39:02] <lld> on punishment of exile
[02:39:40] <c0lo> @lld that can't last long
[02:39:45] <requerdanos> political compass puts me left-leaning libertarian. not super surprising.
[02:39:46] <lld> it didn't
[02:40:17] <guy_> we live close together on the compass requerdanos
[02:40:23] <lld> the socialist workers on the other hand, grabbed the factory machinary from their owners to start their own worker's collective
[02:40:28] <guy_> I'm left wing authoritarian
[02:40:48] <requerdanos> So you are in the red, and I am in the green. That also makes sense.
[02:40:51] <lld> and unironically selling the machinery to the state and no longer owning the means of production when short on money
[02:40:55] <guy_> not far from center on either axis
[02:41:03] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: same here. "left libertarian in exile." I want the law to be as simple as possible but no simpler, and if that means it has to be somewhat complex to handle reality, so be it
[02:41:31] <guy_> that was an empty bag of verbal garbage 'zumi
[02:41:40] <AzumaHazuki> no it wasn't, you're just a fucking moron
[02:41:57] <requerdanos> I was trying to say that a nicer way
[02:42:03] <guy_> and you're a muff diving moron, nyah nyah nyah
[02:42:20] <lld> by the time the war nearly ended, the anarchists started to side with the fascists, and were put out like the communists after
[02:42:20] <AzumaHazuki> think GPL vs BSD here. the fewest restrictions up front does NOT necessarily result in the most freedom for the most people most of the time
[02:42:28] <c0lo> most of the "knowledge workers" fall in the libertarian-left.
[02:42:53] <AzumaHazuki> ...and, good lord, if you think "muff-diver" is an insult no wonder your wife left you. straight men would have much happier relationships if they made love like gay women
[02:43:06] <lld> the spanish civil war: the most headbangingly stupid revolution, direction wise
[02:43:30] <lld> so stupid that Orwell decided to write 1984
[02:44:19] <AzumaHazuki> requerdanos: forget "nice." Tone trolling is how dishonest ambulatory compost piles like runaway try to shut down opposition. it's a sociopathic gambit because it implicitly relies on your opponent's morals stopping them from getting the message across effectively
[02:44:36] <AzumaHazuki> this is also why i don't do "nice." i am sick and tired of that sneering bullshit
[02:44:49] <requerdanos> I control the tone of my conversation, and set an example for others.
[02:44:57] <guy_> who slings shit first, always and forever 'zumi
[02:45:09] <requerdanos> so I say "Gee, I am sure you could understand it if you applied basic vocabulary skills."
[02:45:11] <guy_> you should do some self examination
[02:45:14] <AzumaHazuki> the people who most need that example are never, ever going to learn from it. they laugh at us when we take the high road. so fuck that and fuck them
[02:45:26] <requerdanos> instead of "Sorry, didn't realize you were a moron"
[02:45:48] <requerdanos> Ah, but everyone learns by centimeters, every day
[02:46:12] <AzumaHazuki> ...these people do not, because they will not. there are points of no return
[02:46:30] <requerdanos> There are points of unlikely return. Not quite the same, though.
[02:46:55] <AzumaHazuki> when you not only throw your human card in the incinerator, but laugh while doing it, and go "take that, libs!" while doing it, you have crossed a one-way barrier
[02:46:59] <guy_> the border is just a few hundred yards away, make a run for it lol
[02:47:04] <lld> so yeah, that's my view of a "right wing anarchists", they're just anarchists that envy the state, but can't bring themselves to admit it
[02:47:26] <AzumaHazuki> keep flapping your fat foodsucker, runaway. you do yourself more damage than i could ever, ever do to you
[02:47:36] <requerdanos> I am sure there are one-way barriers, sure.
[02:47:45] <guy_> anarchists are the people revolting in Portland and Seattle -
[02:48:04] <guy_> most assuredly in Seattle
[02:48:06] <lld> yes, they are the definition of anarchist
[02:48:08] <requerdanos> We probably disagree about where the line is, though.
[02:48:44] <lld> what what truly motivates determines what kind of anarchist they are
[02:48:45] <AzumaHazuki> well, it's a probabilistic thing for me...think "this line represents a place where the chances of ever crossing back over are so low as not to be worth bothering with"
[02:49:02] <requerdanos> Ah! There's the rub. worth bothering with.
[02:49:17] <guy_> https://twitter.com
[02:49:18] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[02:49:27] <requerdanos> I worry about, did I do whatever was right/did I do what I could, not, did I bring about the outcome I would have preferred to see.
[02:49:41] <AzumaHazuki> it's because the kind of attitude necessary to do this is a positive feedback loop to begin with. it accelerates and reinforces itself
[02:49:42] <requerdanos> I worry, in short, about the process, moreso than the outcome
[02:49:57] <lld> requerdanos: very much so
[02:50:00] <requerdanos> This is a coping skill to help me hold onto my sanity.
[02:50:10] <requerdanos> What of it remains, I wish to retain.
[02:50:14] <lld> anyone that tells you the end result justifies the means is just a mad man
[02:50:34] <guy_> that's what I hear from the left - the ends justifies the means
[02:50:35] <AzumaHazuki> i worry about both equally. the ends do not justify the means, but the means also have to produce ends. the key is keeping it all moral
[02:50:42] <lld> that means the most cruel and evil acts are mandatory and obligated
[02:50:47] <lld> since the ends justifies it
[02:51:35] <AzumaHazuki> you are so full of shit, runaway. you're not even a liar. if the liar is truth's rapist, the bullshitter is truth's impotent, morbidly-obese, 80 IQ pimp, unable even to appreciate the truth for what it is
[02:51:41] <requerdanos> The means should preferably produce ends, but it's not a requirement. saying "I will do wrong because I think the chances of forcing an outcome by doing right are small" is itself wrong
[02:51:46] <lld> the road to hell is also paved with good intentions, I am also sick of psychopaths making use of unintended consequences and failures to gain
[02:52:02] <guy_> you are just one tiresome bitch zumi - you can't learn because you won't learn
[02:52:22] <AzumaHazuki> sorry, but insults like that aren't symmetric. they don't work equally well in both directions
[02:52:25] <guy_> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[02:52:26] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Whitmer, Media Caught in Another Lie - Anarchist Arrested For Plot to Kidnap and Kill Whitmer Hates President Trump, 'Trump is a Tyrant' (VIDEO)
[02:52:29] <AzumaHazuki> reality gets in the way
[02:52:42] <guy_> symmetry be damned, you're a tiresome bitch
[02:52:45] <lld> requerdanos: of course, but if the process often produces different ends than intended, it is not a good process
[02:53:04] <AzumaHazuki> but that doesn't make me wrong :) and look what you've been reduced to! "I don't like you" is not an argument
[02:53:13] <requerdanos> There are good processes that don't produce the desired ends.
[02:53:13] <AzumaHazuki> so cry harder. if you can't stand it, leave
[02:53:27] <guy_> watch the fucking video and stop pretending these fools are "right wing"
[02:53:33] <guy_> https://www.thegatewaypundit.com
[02:53:34] <systemd> ^ 03Gov. Whitmer, Media Caught in Another Lie - Anarchist Arrested For Plot to Kidnap and Kill Whitmer Hates President Trump, 'Trump is a Tyrant' (VIDEO)
[02:53:34] <c0lo> @guy_ "that's what I hear from the left - the ends justifies the means" - age damage hearing and comprehention, we all know that
[02:53:50] <AzumaHazuki> that's what he CHOOSES to hear
[02:53:51] <c0lo> s/damage/damages/
[02:53:51] <SedBot> <c0lo> @guy_ "that's what I hear from the left - the ends justifies the means" - age damages hearing and comprehention, we all know that
[02:53:59] <lld> that makes it a bad process, it doesn't even do what it was set out to do
[02:54:09] * AzumaHazuki will continue being "a tiresome bitch," can keep it up (heh) longer than runaway can
[02:54:12] <requerdanos> Thank you sedbot. It's suddenly much clearer.
[02:54:30] <lld> a good process is harder to come by, a process that does produce the intended result
[02:54:50] <guy_> What I hear from the left is "We have truth on our side, we don't need no steenkin facts"
[02:55:03] <requerdanos> Let's say my intended result is that we hear fewer mean things, and here more nice things.
[02:55:04] <AzumaHazuki> that's what you choose to hear
[02:55:18] <guy_> nyah nyah nyah
[02:55:20] <requerdanos> I might decide: "I will say nice things." This will probably not do it.
[02:55:29] <guy_> come back when you have something intelligent to say
[02:55:36] <c0lo> @lld there's no intended result, there's only "Can this process continue for long enough on the limited Earth that we live on?"
[02:55:41] <requerdanos> Or I might decide: "I will kill all these assholes who say mean things." This will probably bring about more of the desired result.
[02:55:54] <AzumaHazuki> i have plenty intelligent to say. you refuse to comprehend it. and possibly can't comprehend some of it
[02:56:01] <lld> c0lo: that's just playing musical chairs
[02:56:06] <requerdanos> However, I submit that killing people who are incivil is not a good process, despite its being better by your measurement
[02:56:07] <guy_> more nyah nyah nyah
[02:56:24] <AzumaHazuki> happens to be true though :) compare our grammar, diction, sentence structure, etc
[02:56:27] <requerdanos> Your measurement system sucks.
[02:56:58] <AzumaHazuki> i'm operating on an objectively higher level than you are. now that itself says nothing about the contant, but THAT also happens to be more closely aligned with observable reality than yours
[02:57:00] <guy_> that from the "murica sucks" girl who is leaving it all behind
[02:57:06] <c0lo> @lld if you think so, the nature will have some surprises for you
[02:57:11] <lld> you need to also look at the other effects of your action, not just the intended result
[02:57:15] <AzumaHazuki> ...non-sequitur. this place didn't HAVE to suck
[02:57:20] <requerdanos> Indeed so!
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[02:57:22] <AzumaHazuki> it does because of people who "think" like you
[02:57:32] <lld> so you killed rude people, how many more will you go?
[02:57:34] <AzumaHazuki> but, thanks for proving my point :)
[02:57:45] <lld> and what are the effects of killing a few million people?
[02:57:48] <A-J-O-T-D> And now, it's time for our featured "Most Annoying Jew of the Day"
[02:57:49] <lld> they too are effects
[02:57:56] <guy_> you're a bitter pointless woman, how could you have a point?
[02:58:01] <requerdanos> Seriously, none of you has ops?
[02:58:02] <A-J-O-T-D> Today's featured annoying Jew is the Costo Gas Jew
[02:58:11] <AzumaHazuki> :) i love it, runaway. you do my work for me!
[02:58:17] <lld> and shouldn't be discounted simply because one of the effects is your intended goal
[02:58:18] <AzumaHazuki> man do you ever hate "uppity" women!
[02:58:20] <A-J-O-T-D> They will sit in lines miles long shitting up traffic to save 3 cents per gallon on gas.
[02:58:32] <requerdanos> lld, looks like we mostly agree
[02:58:40] <AzumaHazuki> please, keep going. expose yourself in real time, over and over and over again. you do my job for me so well
[02:58:44] <guy_> I'm cheering for the female USSC nominee
[02:59:06] <A-J-O-T-D> They will turn 2 whole turn lanes and 30 feet of road into L.A. rush hour on the 405 just to save 3 cents per gallon for gas.
[02:59:06] <guy_> you hate her
[02:59:20] <c0lo> @guy_ and you are a bitter decrepit old man, how can you have a point? (how's that GP of your going, managed to find one yet?)
[02:59:25] <AzumaHazuki> i hate her policies. herself, personally? i just pity her a bit, but don't really know her enough to hate
[02:59:29] <AzumaHazuki> but do continue
[02:59:32] <lld> requerdanos: yeah, for most parts I just want to say "slow down, don't rush things just because it looks obvious"
[02:59:45] <guy_> dafuq you even talking about c0lo ?
[02:59:55] <AzumaHazuki> you reveal SO MUCH about yourself completely unintentionally with the things you say runaway
[02:59:56] <lld> what are the secondary effects? what are the after order effects?
[03:00:04] * requerdanos suspects more clarification might come from sedbot
[03:00:09] <AzumaHazuki> it'd be hilarious if it weren't tragic. and i may be developing a taste for dark humor
[03:00:12] <guy_> so, you're a condescending bitch who pities someone you disagree with
[03:00:24] <AzumaHazuki> sure. but does that make me wrong? :)
[03:00:34] <AzumaHazuki> toooooone-trolling, is not an arrrrrgument
[03:00:51] <requerdanos> argument is an intellectual process.
[03:00:59] <A-J-O-T-D> Do your part and have some dignity: don't ruin traffic on a major thoroughfare because you are shameful enough to sit in an hour line to go 30 feet, all just to save 3 cents per gallon getting Costco gasoline.
[03:01:00] <guy_> bitch is wrong and condescencion is wrong - it's what you expect from a privileged white broad
[03:01:22] <AzumaHazuki> who says bitchy is wrong, and who says condescension is wrong? how do those things negate an argument?
[03:01:30] <AzumaHazuki> i may be bitchy and condescending but i'm also correct
[03:01:53] <AzumaHazuki> and if you don't want to be bitched at and condescended to...maaaaaybe stop being wrong?
[03:01:56] <c0lo> @lld at guy_'s "you're a bitter pointless woman, how could you have a point?" As for the GP, that's a story guy_ shared more than one year back.
[03:01:58] <guy_> lenins was correct I suppose
[03:02:11] <requerdanos> I say that bitchy and condescending are not as nice as sweetness and light, but it's true that they don't affect the truth or falsity of what one is saying.
[03:02:43] <AzumaHazuki> what the fuck does lenin have to do with this? what kind of alzheimer-induced non-sequitur is that?
[03:02:49] <lld> c0lo: ? I wasn't paying attention to the screaming match, mostly chatting with requerdanos
[03:02:57] <AzumaHazuki> take your meds and go to bed you fat old sack of crap. you're not equipped for this
[03:02:58] <guy_> Stalin was also correct I presume
[03:03:15] <A-J-O-T-D> And while we're at it, stop pouring over your receipts after checkout and then shitting up the checkout line asking for a do-over because you got overcharged 10 cents and don't know how to read a fucking coupon.
[03:03:19] <AzumaHazuki> what the cinnamon-toast fuck do Lenin and Stalin have to do with you not liking my tone?
[03:03:35] <A-J-O-T-D> This concludes our featured annoying Jew of today. Good night, and God bless.
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[03:03:45] <guy_> so now you admit that it is you who is tone trolling
[03:03:53] <guy_> men don't even hear those tones you dumb shit
[03:04:01] <AzumaHazuki> ...no? tone-trolling means "attacking someone's tone instead of their argument"
[03:04:04] <AzumaHazuki> it's a subset of ad hom
[03:04:11] <AzumaHazuki> learn what words mean, shithead
[03:04:22] <requerdanos> ad hom such as "take your meds and go to bed you fat old sack of crap. you're not equipped for this" ?
[03:04:34] <guy_> exactly
[03:04:37] <AzumaHazuki> no, that was just an insult. he hasn't made an argument yet soooo :D
[03:04:39] <c0lo> @AzumaHazuki he's making free word association. Given 'Zumi, he continues with Lenin and Stalin.
[03:04:42] <requerdanos> oh, okay.,
[03:05:02] <requerdanos> I see the difference you mention.
[03:05:04] <AzumaHazuki> :)
[03:05:15] <guy_> did you bother to watch the little video in which the "suspect" denounces the right, and Trump, and all the rest?
[03:05:51] <requerdanos> I tried to watch it but a fact-checker thing popped up over it
[03:05:57] <guy_> these "kidnappers" are more akin to Antifa than to anything on the right
[03:06:00] <AzumaHazuki> what about it? he still went for Whitmer over Trump I notice. sounds like deflection to me. not enough information to hand here
[03:06:28] <guy_> if you had any information, it would surprise me
[03:06:36] <AzumaHazuki> let's see who he "makes common cause" with :) as someone i know says
[03:06:40] <AzumaHazuki> and see, THAT is an ad-hom
[03:06:40] <guy_> but, go ahead and eat up that mainstream media spin
[03:06:56] <requerdanos> Some information: There is no "antifa" except as a conspiracy theory of the right-nutjobs
[03:07:07] <guy_> utter nonsense
[03:07:12] <AzumaHazuki> actions speak louder than words, and the action i see here was to go after Whitmer as opposed to, for example, DeSantis
[03:07:19] <AzumaHazuki> note also the company he keeps
[03:07:21] <guy_> antifa is an anarchist spinoff and it's real
[03:07:35] <AzumaHazuki> antifa is an ideology, not a group. think 4chan Anonymous
[03:08:23] <AzumaHazuki> the only way you know someone is antifa is if they say they're antifa, and what they mean by that may differ from what the next self-professed antifa person means
[03:08:28] <guy_> these boys would differ with you
[03:08:32] <guy_> https://www.redneckrevolt.org
[03:08:34] <requerdanos> "But I read on retardedcousins.com that it was a george soros plot!" yeah, okay.
[03:08:49] <AzumaHazuki> okay, and they would also differ with other people who call themselves antifa
[03:08:55] <AzumaHazuki> you are kind of missing the point here
[03:09:10] <guy_> so, why do they "provide security" at so many antifa riots?
[03:09:27] <AzumaHazuki> common ideology?
[03:09:31] <guy_> Oh, I get your point - denialism
[03:09:52] <requerdanos> "antifa" is a key word in information processing. When you hear it, you can immediately increase the chances that the speaker is a right-wing nutjob conspiracy theorist.
[03:09:53] <AzumaHazuki> looks like a subset of antifa members with similar worldviews. there's no monolithic antifa but there can be monolithic blocs within it
[03:09:55] <c0lo> Antifa riots - are those a thing?
[03:10:16] <requerdanos> There are a thing within the domain of right-nutjob conspiracy theorism, sure
[03:10:25] <AzumaHazuki> kind of like...there's no one single monolithic Christianity but there are definitely well-defined sects of Christianity. Does that help?
[03:10:38] <AzumaHazuki> you can find some common themes and ideas across most or all of them
[03:10:44] <lld> c0lo: those riots are an idea
[03:11:09] <guy_> meanwhile, Portland can't go about it's business because all these assholes are rioting
[03:11:17] <AzumaHazuki> so i'd expect that there are separate (and perhaps very different) sub-sects of antifa, but antifa itself is more a loose ideology than a coherent group
[03:11:20] <requerdanos> rioting assholes are a real thing.
[03:11:28] <AzumaHazuki> this kind of thing seems to cause you trouble, runaway
[03:11:31] <c0lo> Well, CT-ists have many idiocies, this doesn't make them a thing.
[03:11:38] <requerdanos> rioting assholes who are a secret undercover george soros group are not a real thing.
[03:11:41] <guy_> and these kidnappers are part of that whole "idea"
[03:11:52] <AzumaHazuki> i notice it's very difficult for people like you to handle the idea of emergent behavior and gestalt phenomena
[03:11:57] <guy_> cause me trouble?
[03:12:04] <AzumaHazuki> see above just now
[03:12:22] <AzumaHazuki> the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and may produce behavior you wouldn't expect from looking at the parts
[03:12:25] <requerdanos> kind of like yes, the government tracks you; no, not by secret waves coming out of your radio
[03:12:34] <guy_> "emergent behaviour and gestalt phenomena" - sounds like Russia and the bolsheviks to me
[03:12:45] <AzumaHazuki> ...gestalt is german you fucking ignoramus
[03:12:46] <AzumaHazuki> jesus
[03:12:57] <c0lo> Word free associations again
[03:12:59] <guy_> and you play fucking games denying that there is even an antifa
[03:13:01] <requerdanos> russian, german, whatever, both foreign, amirite?
[03:13:01] <lld> whoah autism
[03:13:09] <requerdanos> wait, that was me
[03:13:15] <AzumaHazuki> take glucose. it's just C/H/O. Where, when looking at carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen by themselves, is even the concept of "glucose" hinted at? but arrange them just so, and...glucose
[03:13:24] <AzumaHazuki> THAT is emergence
[03:13:30] <AzumaHazuki> THAT is gestalt in action
[03:14:35] <AzumaHazuki> you can't handle this kind of thinking. you desperately need the world to be simple black and white sharply-delineated categories
[03:14:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you guys look like you're having fun this evening.
[03:14:46] <c0lo> Just be careful with how much glocose you're taking, guy_.
[03:14:50] <guy_> just another motte and bailey
[03:15:08] <c0lo> s/glocose/glucose/
[03:15:08] <SedBot> <c0lo> Just be careful with how much glucose you're taking, guy_.
[03:15:32] <c0lo> TMB, too tired to join?
[03:15:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> guy_, introduce it to yeast. way more fun than just glucose.
[03:15:48] <guy_> lol
[03:15:53] * AzumaHazuki starts counting down...
[03:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup. got one eye closed already.
[03:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> like literally. too hard to keep them both open. skateboarding is kicking my cardio-allergic ass
[03:17:36] <guy_> you mean your OLD cardio-allergic ass?
[03:17:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> only middle aged at the moment but i'm training hard
[03:18:13] <c0lo> (yeast with glocose will cause some emergent behavior too. Put that in your gestalt, but don't smore it, guy_)
[03:18:51] <guy_> actually, tobacco marinated in good yeasty extractions can be good
[03:18:51] <c0lo> You don't need to, TMB. You will pass the middle-age stage even without cardio.
[03:18:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> that ain't emergent behavior, that's fuckin magic of the highest order.
[03:19:36] <AzumaHazuki> nope, emergency. plain old physics, creating chemistry, creating biochemistry, all sliding down along a simple entropy gradient...and, voila, ethanol!
[03:19:39] <c0lo> (done for now, need to put some work to finish the week)
[03:19:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> c0lo, i LIKE skateboarding though. just haven't had a skateboard or anyone to skate with in 25 years or so.
[03:20:36] * AzumaHazuki is in constant amazed, grateful wonder at things like this, how basic physical constants gave rise to everything we observe
[03:20:36] <guy_> I expect the little girl tolerates you skating with her because you make her look good
[03:20:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, sufficiently advanced technology and all that. space ships be damned, we been advanced for thousands of years.
[03:21:09] <c0lo> @AzumaHazuki - well, there's a lot to be slide on that entropy slope until the maths emerges.
[03:21:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think she does mostly cause it's boring skating by yourself
[03:21:25] <guy_> well, that too
[03:21:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and even not having touched one for 25 years, i can still do more tricks than her.
[03:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> this is not a situation i spect to continue though
[03:22:27] * guy_ doesn't plan on stepping on a board ever again
[03:22:39] <guy_> if I need to skate, I'll tie the skates to my feet
[03:22:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus i can drive to the good skating spots
[03:23:14] <guy_> There's a song for that
[03:24:08] <guy_> https://www.youtube.com
[03:24:10] <systemd> ^ 03Melanie - Brand New Key (Audio)
[03:24:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, thas all i got left in me. ima go grab one more smoke then sleep.
[03:29:23] <requerdanos> So tmb killed the conversation.
[03:30:53] <guy_> was there a conversation? not that I noticed . . .
[03:31:13] <requerdanos> Sorry you missed it, I guess.
[03:32:05] <guy_> Dear wife asked me tonight, "Well, who are you going to vote for this time?"
[03:32:26] <guy_> When I said "JoJo" she went to her computer to look her up
[03:32:40] <guy_> that's how much coverage anyone outside the duopoly gets
[03:32:44] <requerdanos> heh that's about the only way the libertarians get coverage
[03:33:18] <requerdanos> Remember, "bipartisan" does not mean "neutral" -- that's a lie. It means "R's and D's ganging up against you."
[03:33:23] <guy_> not that my individual vote matters - I'm in a solid Republican zone here
[03:34:07] <guy_> I would truly love to see a third party - ANY third party - start getting those federal campaign funds
[03:34:21] <AzumaHazuki> never gonna happen. this country's locked in
[03:35:38] <requerdanos> I'd like to see third party candidates up on the debate stage.
[03:35:49] <guy_> yes, very much yes!
[03:36:09] <guy_> if that were to happen, more people could figure out that everyone on stage is a liar
[03:36:45] <requerdanos> sadly true.
[03:36:49] <guy_> fekkin coffee cup is empty, fekkin coffee pot is empty, fek fek fek
[03:36:58] <c0lo> https://www.youtube.com
[03:36:59] <systemd> ^ 03REGENERON!
[03:37:59] <c0lo> A 3rd party step onto the stage. guy_: oh, look, 3 liars now.
[03:38:13] <c0lo> s/step/steps/
[03:38:13] <SedBot> <c0lo> A 3rd party steps onto the stage. guy_: oh, look, 3 liars now.
[03:38:57] <c0lo> ("confirmation bias")
[03:39:50] <guy_> "Ask your doctor if Regeneron is right for you!"
[03:46:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Confirms 'Slow Blinks' Really Do Work to Communicate With Your Cat - https://sylnt.us - blink...blink
[03:57:37] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[03:57:39] <systemd> Submitting "'Earthshot': William and Attenborough launch prize to save planet"...
[03:58:01] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03'Earthshot': William and Attenborough Launch Prize to Save Planet" (61 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:58:49] <c0lo> @guy_ was thinking you may want to add Attenborough together with Soros in your collection of scarries.
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[04:30:28] <A-J-O-T-D> Kind of a follow-up on the Hwawei building explosion. Nothing too damning.
[04:31:07] <A-J-O-T-D> The Hwawei building was conducting materials science R&D related to telecom applications, specifically 4G and 5G.
[04:31:29] <lld> >< guy_> When I said "JoJo" she went to her computer to look her up
[04:31:41] <lld> I hope it involves animes
[04:32:42] <A-J-O-T-D> I'm convinced that the materials technology used was invented in the US in the Boston Dynamics plant where I worked and actually formulated and conducted EM testing of those materials.
[04:33:36] <A-J-O-T-D> We had other plants in China, where we moved production. The Chinese government likely took those formulations and gave them right over to Hwawei.
[04:34:12] <A-J-O-T-D> Unfortunately, carbonyl iron powder is a very nasty and dangerous chemical that no Chink should ever be allowed to handle.
[04:34:17] <A-J-O-T-D> Or manufacture, for that matter.
[04:34:33] <A-J-O-T-D> Because when Chinks get ahold of it, FOOOF and Kaboom!
[04:34:52] <A-J-O-T-D> They probably had a semitruck worth of the shit in that factory.
[04:36:41] <A-J-O-T-D> It's hilarious to read because I was working on the Boston Dynamics-Hwawei contract when I abruptly quit for reasons.
[04:37:38] <A-J-O-T-D> On that exact same shit, by the way. I even helped with the chemical manuracturing aspect of it here before I left.
[04:38:24] <guy_> Didn't you tell us the same thing a few days ago, Ethanol?
[04:38:27] <A-J-O-T-D> I'd like to mention that corporate Jews were the ones overseeing the outsourcing of the manufacture to China.
[04:40:59] <A-J-O-T-D> I remember that one of them even slipped a subtle star of David into a corporate powerpoint.
[04:41:20] <A-J-O-T-D> These were mostly British Jews.
[04:41:40] <lld> bageling? in my slideshow?
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[05:10:35] <SoyCow0495> =submit https://www.nationalgeographic.com
[05:10:36] <systemd> Submitting "Access Denied"...
[05:10:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Access Denied" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[06:01:26] <guy_> The question of the day: Are idli the most boring things in the world?
[06:08:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - We Might Not be Able to Understand Free Will with Science. Here’s Why - https://sylnt.us - mental-masturbation
[06:33:11] <FatPhil> looked like I missed some fun last night
[06:33:33] <FatPhil> you yanks need to be awake at more civilised hours, so that i can join in.
[06:33:41] <chromas> If by fun you meant tedium
[06:34:31] <FatPhil> yeah, I think every single contributor needed a fucking slap
[06:34:38] <chromas> We can reenact it though if you want. I'll start:
[06:34:44] <chromas> No, YOU'RE dumb!!
[06:35:00] <FatPhil> but in trump-talk, zuzu won, and everyone else should be ashamed of themselves.
[06:35:25] <chromas> Was she doing a Trump impression? Shit, I hadn't even noticed
[06:35:44] <FatPhil> Because you're so dumb.
[06:35:54] <FatPhil> This is going swimmingly!
[06:36:48] <chromas> no u
[06:36:53] <chromas> Also
[06:36:57] <chromas> =socialist FatPhil
[06:36:57] <systemd> FatPhil, you're a socialist!
[06:38:10] <FatPhil> systemd is just a pawn of the patriarchy.
[06:38:42] <FatPhil> fuck me, this is the most disgusting cup of coffee I've ever made.
[06:38:44] <FatPhil> coffee--
[06:38:44] <Bender> karma - tea: 627
[06:38:51] <FatPhil> tea++
[06:38:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 628
[06:38:51] <FatPhil> tea++
[06:38:51] <Bender> karma - tea: 629
[06:39:23] <chromas> Did you put in a pinch of salt?
[06:44:19] <FatPhil> nah, I put the milk in first, because I wanted to check it hadn't turned into cheese
[06:44:31] <FatPhil> fuck you for judging me!
[06:44:54] <chromas> I am gonna judge you! Fuck you for trying to avoid cheese!
[06:45:36] <FatPhil> I tend to like my cheese 18 months old, not prepared to do that experiment with milk
[06:46:32] <FatPhil> currently enjoying this puppy: https://beemstercheese.us
[06:46:34] <systemd> ^ 03Classic — Beemster Cheese
[06:47:31] <chromas> cheese++
[06:47:31] <Bender> karma - cheese: 23
[06:47:37] <FatPhil> cheese++
[06:47:37] <Bender> karma - cheese: 24
[06:47:52] <FatPhil> See, my ++ was better than your ++
[06:48:06] <chromas> :'(
[06:52:15] <FatPhil> smells of poop?
[06:52:22] <FatPhil> ooops, wrong window
[06:53:31] <FatPhil> as I mentioned yesterday, they're filming a middle-ages period drama in the square presently, and apparently there are some carriages on display
[06:53:32] <chromas> well shit
[06:54:09] <chromas> Middle-ages period
[06:54:17] <chromas> Did they use wool back then?
[06:54:43] <FatPhil> do you remember when I took a photo of all the massive cameras/lights in my street last year? That fucking scene was left on the cutting room floor. Fuck Nolan.
[06:55:01] <chromas> I only remember the one on the bus
[06:55:22] <FatPhil> However, he blew up a building only 400m from my office, so that was cool.
[06:55:27] <FatPhil> Movie was bollocks though.
[06:56:09] <chromas> I tell ya hwhat, we'll send over Michael Bay to Finnish off your buildings
[06:56:21] <FatPhil> we went to the fancy screen with the plush reclining seats (leg was still in a bad way), and paif 10e per fukcing ticket. I feel well ripped off.
[06:56:36] <FatPhil> can you see I'm angry!?!?!
[06:57:08] <FatPhil> some of the reviews online did compare Tenet to a Bay production!
[06:57:21] <chromas> Bay's got moar explosions
[06:57:34] <guy_> damn phil you look angry
[06:57:37] <chromas> I think the only Nolan movies I've seen were the Batman ones
[06:58:17] <FatPhil> yeah, but Nolan blew up Linnahall http://xgis.maaamet.ee
[06:59:31] <FatPhil> Our office is ~400m SW of that.
[07:01:48] <FatPhil> my office: http://xgis.maaamet.ee :-)
[07:03:29] <FatPhil> muahahah - also, my office: https://upload.wikimedia.org
[07:03:56] <FatPhil> Factually correct, but I will confess to deliberately misleading you.
[07:05:36] <chromas> What is this X-GIS software they're using? A buttsearch just leads to the same web site
[07:06:23] <FatPhil> I don't think it's anything special, just any old GIS system. More functional than most though. Still as buggy as all hell though.
[07:08:23] <FatPhil> the best thing about it is that it's free and available as a background for OSM, so that's the layer I do my OSM edits over as it's higher resolution than all the others.
[08:13:49] <chromas> https://old.reddit.com
[08:13:51] <systemd> ^ 03I’m horrified
[08:26:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Zoologists Uncover New Example of Rapid Evolution - Meet the Sulawesi Babblers - https://sylnt.us - feeding-babblers-spilled-the-beans
[09:01:44] <FatPhil> Trofim Lysenko Denisovich = Oh, insincerity moved folks (anagram)
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[10:36:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Announces Zen 3 CPUs - https://sylnt.us - everything-zen
[12:22:06] <FatPhil> Elliot Rodger's "War on Women" = Morose loner won't wed a girl (anagram)
[12:32:52] <requerdanos> FatPhil, provider of odd words = Disapproved dolt, or whiff rod (anagram)
[12:35:32] <FatPhil> Are you a quadcopter?
[12:35:34] <FatPhil> requerdanos = square drone
[12:48:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Owning an Electric Car Really Does Save Money, Consumer Reports Finds - https://sylnt.us - dollars-and-sense
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[12:52:37] <FatPhil> ANyone seen https://en.wikipedia.org ?
[12:52:38] <systemd> ^ 03The Social Dilemma - Wikipedia
[12:57:41] <driveby> https://www.tabletmag.com
[12:57:42] <systemd> ^ 03Is Warren Buffett the Wallet Behind Black Lives Matter?
[13:06:16] <RandomFactor> https://phys.org
[13:06:17] <systemd> ^ 03Engineers create helical topological exciton-polaritons, a new type of quasiparticle
[13:09:26] <RandomFactor> =submit delectrifying https://phys.org
[13:09:32] <systemd> Submitting "Engineers create helical topological exciton-polaritons, a new type of quasiparticle"...
[13:09:53] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Engineers Create Helical Topological Exciton-polaritons, a New Type of Quasiparticle" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:14:19] <RandomFactor> =submit perspective https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com
[13:14:23] <systemd> Submitting "Fake News is Biggest Global Cybercrime Concern"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com:443 )
[13:14:45] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Fake News is Biggest Global Cybercrime Concern" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[13:27:30] <FatPhil> =globalisation carny
[13:27:31] * systemd excitedly stuffs a ⅓ cup of sadness into carny
[13:28:27] <FatPhil> coulda been worse, could have been surströmming
[13:31:39] <inz> aka. instant projectile vomit
[13:46:35] <FatPhil> I've never had it, or even been in its vicinity
[13:46:57] <FatPhil> but I refuse to even open tins that are bulging outwards.
[13:47:56] <inz> me neither, just relying on televised occurrences
[13:50:35] <Bytram> FatPhil++ TYVM -- I learned a new word today
[13:50:35] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 76
[13:51:06] <requerdanos> I'm a square drone!
[13:51:57] <Bytram> fwiw, I mostly only like Moo Fish... I mostly only like fish that say "Moo"!
[13:52:06] <Bytram> !grab requerdanos
[13:52:06] <Bender> Added quote 991
[13:52:11] <Bytram> :D
[13:53:43] <Bytram> I don't get it. The barometer is on the rise since yesterday, and it's hard to get myself going today. Maybe I overdid it trying to get things done while the barometer was on a long, downward spiral.
[13:53:45] <FatPhil> big fan of moofish, also of quackfish and oinkfish.
[13:53:58] <Bytram> !grab FatPhil
[13:53:58] <Bender> Added quote 992
[13:54:03] <Bytram> ROFL!
[13:54:17] <Bytram> I *love* it!
[13:54:22] <Bytram> FatPhil++
[13:54:22] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 77
[13:54:33] <FatPhil> cheers :)
[13:54:44] <Bytram> =g prost
[13:54:45] <systemd> https://prostbrewing.com - Prost Brewing: German-Style Brewery in Colorado | German Biers
[13:54:48] <FatPhil> you did the inventive part though!
[13:54:52] <FatPhil> Bytram++
[13:54:52] <Bender> karma - bytram: 141
[13:54:57] <Bytram> :D
[13:55:53] <Bytram> I appreciate the complement, but I just love how quickly you took that concept and ran with it in an even more hilarious direction!
[13:57:02] <FatPhil> Next time the g/f suggests we should have fish for lunch, I will start dropping terms like those into my suggestions.
[13:57:16] <Bytram> Perfect!
[13:57:33] <Bytram> baaafish
[13:57:34] <FatPhil> In a curious reversage, one of the things on offer today was "traditional salmon lasagne"
[13:57:43] <Bytram> ick
[13:58:15] <FatPhil> well, a salmon pasta bake can be lovely, but there's nothing "traditionally lasagne" about it.
[13:59:10] <Bytram> maybe it was a little-known family tradition?
[13:59:20] <Bytram> ugh.
[14:00:55] <Bytram> This *is* <em>font-style: italic</a>, but this *should* be <em><em>font-style: normal</em></em>, by default... at least on Pale Moon.
[14:01:21] <Bytram> or am I missing something?
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[14:06:14] <FatPhil> em within em is still just em, so italic generally.
[14:29:52] <Bytram> FatPhil: (sorry, stepped away for a bit) that runs counter to what I had learned. I have a book of readings. At the top of each page is a quotation from another work. This quotation is stylized as italic on each page. Following the quotation is some text that offers a perspective on the quote which is styled in normal text. On occasion, the quoted text contains text that -- in the original source -- was stylized italic. So, to set off the
[14:29:52] <Bytram> embedded italicized text from *that* document in *this* document, it is presented in normal text... which matches with what I had been taught *way* back when.
[14:30:46] <Bytram> =g nested italics style
[14:30:46] <systemd> https://helpx.adobe.com - Drop caps and nested styles
[14:33:08] <Bytram> =g grammar nested italics style
[14:33:09] <systemd> https://apastyle.apa.org - Use of Quotation Marks
[14:35:36] <Bytram> https://apastyle.apa.org (scroll down to Reverse Italics):
[14:35:37] <Bytram> Reverse Italics
[14:35:37] <Bytram>
[14:35:37] <Bytram> When words that would normally be italicized appear within text that is already italicized, those words should be set in standard (nonitalic) type, referred to as reverse italicization. For example, if an italic symbol appears in a table title (which is also italicized), use standard type for the symbol.
[14:35:38] <Bytram> Demographic Characteristics of Study Participants (N = 250)
[14:36:20] <Bytram> the last line is displayed as:
[14:36:48] <Bytram> <em>Demographic Characteristics of Study Participants (</em>N<em> = 250)</em>
[14:37:10] <FatPhil> but the stress should be *greater* in the nested ems, normal style is not greater emphasis than single-emphasized style unless you want a paradox.
[14:37:49] <Bytram> I can imagine other style guidelines may have other proscriptions, but I don't ever recall seeing anything different.
[14:39:04] <Bytram> I'm not arguing the *concept* -- I agree with what you suggest -- but this is the only way I recall ever seeing it done. nested italics become reversed to non-italic
[14:39:57] <FatPhil> That APA guide is talking about nested italics, not nested ems.
[14:40:39] <FatPhil> the fact that ems are usually implemented using italics is not relevant.
[14:40:54] <Bytram> Okaaaay, so how would you mark up that example I just gave?
[14:41:01] <Bytram> <em>Demographic Characteristics of Study Participants (</em>N<em> = 250)</em>
[14:41:05] <Bytram> ^^^ this one
[14:42:09] <Bytram> CSS provides the markup for the plain text; I should mark up the text for what it *is* and leave it to the CSS to present it correctly.
[14:43:03] <Bytram> oh, wait.... give me a couple minutes
[14:46:35] * Bytram just swapped <i> for <em>... got the same result as before -- nested italics presented as italics
[14:51:59] <Bytram> =g CSS nested italics
[14:51:59] <systemd> https://stackoverflow.com - Nested italics in HTML - Stack Overflow
[14:55:04] <FatPhil> also note that the APA disavows the typical browser choice of physical markup for semantic emphasis. so any attempts to look at APA for insights into HTML will lead to madness
[14:56:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stem Cell Sheets Harvested in Just Two Days - https://sylnt.us - bumper-crop
[14:57:02] <Bytram> nod nod; hence my qualification... yet, that is the only way I've ever seen nested italics presented. Then consider what should happen when that nesting is, in turn, nested. I should not have to modify the source plain text to change the appearance.'
[14:57:18] <FatPhil> I would use semantically pedantic markup, if I didn't trust browsers to do the right thing, I'd add a CSS rule for em>em
[14:57:44] <Bytram> pedantic++
[14:57:44] <Bender> karma - pedantic: 2
[14:58:28] <FatPhil> But I'm an arse, and if 99% of users are using browsers that do something dumb, then 99% of users deserve to see something dumb.
[14:59:45] <FatPhil> one of my webpages has *no styling at all*, and some friends keep complaining that the text's too small.
[15:00:03] <FatPhil> their browser did that, don't whine at me.
[15:00:05] <Bytram> still, is this just an oversight of the CSS standards group? (1) I cannot imagine I'm the first to encounter this. (2) They seem to be a pretty sharp lot. (3) That Stack Exchange question confirms another person has queried this. (4) for every question that *is* asked, there are (pick a number) others that are considered but not posted.
[15:00:32] * Bytram whines is FatPhil's general direction. ;)
[15:00:56] <Bytram> that was more a rhetorical question, btw,
[15:01:05] <FatPhil> I can't read any links now, I'm on my phone, and it can't see 99% of the web
[15:01:25] <Bytram> Heh, could make a good "ask soylent" story for the weekend.
[15:01:28] <Bytram> k
[15:03:33] <FatPhil> tonight's a pubcrawl, but I'll page up back to this bit either tonight or tomorrow. if it becomes an asksoylent, I'll chip in there
[15:03:35] <Bytram> FatPhil: thanks a bunch for the feedback, hope you have a good rest-of-your-day!
[15:03:48] <Bytram> obliged
[15:04:03] <Bytram> time for me to get a move-on. laters!
[15:04:28] <FatPhil> today is the longest pubcrawl since the accident, so I hope I don't fail
[15:04:45] <Bytram> s/il/ll/
[15:04:51] <Bytram> FatPhil: s/il/ll/
[15:04:51] <SedBot> <Bytram> <FatPhil> today is the longest pubcrawl since the accident, so I hope I don't fall
[15:05:19] <Bytram> ;)
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[15:25:37] <chromas> FatPhil needs an irc bot that converts links to articles into walls of irc messages
[17:06:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Cloud Issues Continue With More Global Outages - https://sylnt.us - microsoft-cloudy-future
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[17:55:46] <arti|work> like ascii art>
[18:06:41] <AzumaHazuki> sweet potatoes work in chilli :9
[18:07:13] <AzumaHazuki> goes great with ground turkey and black beans
[18:11:55] <requerdanos> Interesting.
[18:25:07] <AzumaHazuki> that's a very mesoamerican thing: new world tubers, beans, and turkey. i've got some giant white hominy i'll try for the next batch
[18:29:13] <AzumaHazuki> https://beyondmeresustenance.com this is what i was looking for :)
[18:29:15] <systemd> ^ 03Peruvian Chicken Stew with Corn
[18:30:32] <AzumaHazuki> my version will be simpler (no eggs and such) but based on this profile and set of bulk ingredients
[18:34:26] <AzumaHazuki> okay, off to work
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[19:15:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - IBM to Break up 109-Year Old Company to Focus on Cloud Growth - https://sylnt.us - out-with-the-less-profitable
[19:46:51] <halibut> FatPhil: I have not seen The Social Dilemma, but after reading the Wikipedia page, I would like to watch it. Thanks. Have you seen it, and, if so, do you recommend it?
[19:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[19:48:16] <systemd> ^ 03Biden Even More Determined To Not Get COVID After Finding Out He Could Lose Sense Of Smell
[19:48:19] * TheMightyBuzzard laffs
[19:50:38] * halibut was confused until realizing that Babylon Bee is like The Onion.
[19:53:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> way, way better
[19:53:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're PROPER comedians, they'll rip on anyone being stupid
[19:53:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[19:53:24] <systemd> ^ 03Church Guitarist Finally Has Excuse To Play 'Eruption' During Sunday Service
[19:54:24] <Bytram> FatPhil: I've not seen it, either. Never used Facebood, either. From what I've read of the company's backbround, and how movie productions tend to take "liberties" with the material, I'd rather spend my time on something more productive.
[19:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://babylonbee.com
[19:54:38] <systemd> ^ 03Woman Immediately Healed After Touching Hem Of Trump's Suit Jacket
[19:54:47] <Bytram> =yt eruption
[19:54:49] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Eruption (2015 Remaster) (01:43; 1,295,724 views; 👍28,367 👎1,640)
[19:54:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> =gday Bytram
[19:54:56] * systemd faithfully mixes an overflowing treasure chest of ciri poo with Bytram
[19:55:05] <Bytram> =yt eruption -remaster
[19:55:07] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Van Halen | Eruption | GUITAR COVER (2020) (02:32; 22,673 views; 👍4,078 👎14)
[19:55:14] <Bytram> =yt eruption -remaster -cover
[19:55:15] <systemd> https://youtube.com - VAN HALEN - ERUPTION GUITAR SOLO TRIBUTE - RIP 1955 - 2020 (03:21; 1,723 views; 👍435 👎2)
[19:55:20] <Bytram> =grover TheMightyBuzzard
[19:55:21] * systemd crutchyly pits a gigabyte of brussels sprouts against TheMightyBuzzard
[19:55:48] * Bytram notes resurrection of names of old
[19:56:04] <Bytram> =yt eruption -remaster -cover -tribute
[19:56:06] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Eruption By Edi Van Hallen (02:04; 1,133 views; 👍52 👎0)
[20:01:21] <halibut> Wikipedia recounts an amusing feud between Babylon Bee and Snopes: https://en.wikipedia.org
[20:01:22] <systemd> ^ 03The Babylon Bee - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org )
[20:03:16] <Bytram> =yt https://www.youtube.com
[20:03:17] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Eruption Guitar Solo--Eddie Van Halen (10:58; 23,876,827 views; 👍96,848 👎3,871)
[20:03:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it's still ongoing. they even started up an actual news site just to poke even more fun at snopes. notthebee.com
[20:04:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> all absurd but true stories
[20:04:41] <Bytram> we fewer snopes and more syesses
[20:05:06] <chromas> Bytram: s/y.*/yups/
[20:05:06] <SedBot> <chromas> <Bytram> we fewer snopes and more syups
[20:06:12] <requerdanos> I dunno, just about every "Read This!" shared on "social media" Should have a link "Is this true?" that just automatically pops up a box saying "Nope."
[20:06:39] <requerdanos> "But you can research it to see whether any parts of it may be true."
[20:07:42] <carny> snopes is an aggressive disinformation propaganda source
[20:08:30] <carny> it used to be useful for finding out things like 'is the nieman marcus cookie recipe real?' but those days are long gone
[20:11:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth. what they choose to fact check (or not) alone says worlds about their agenda. and that's without even going into their checks being reliably true or not.
[20:12:01] <requerdanos> still, just about every "Read This!" shared on "social media" Should have a link "Is this true?" that just automatically pops up a box saying "Nope."
[20:17:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. i just unfollow anyone posting political stuff on fb. it's for funny memes and baby pictures.
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[20:41:47] <RandomFactor> You can follow people on facebook? I thought they just followed you and you wondered how they found you and why they followed you since you never post.
[20:44:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> following is not to be confused with being friends with. given an annoying friend who posts dumb shit you don't want to see but that you do want to remain friends with so they can tag you, reply to you, and such, you can unfollow them and not see anything they post unless it has your name attached.
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[21:25:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Design the World's Fastest Ultraviolet Camera - https://sylnt.us - quick-pic
[22:17:01] <chromas> Humble Bundle: "Help 4.5k people get clean water with video games"
[22:17:08] <chromas> I don't see anything I like. Sorry, people
[22:35:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they really wanted them to get clean water, they wouldn't have put shitty games in the bundle.
[22:36:13] <requerdanos> or indeed have involved games at all, but would have stuck to providing water.
[22:38:08] <chromas> games is their thing though
[22:38:47] <chromas> they could have Flint Simulator or something
[23:09:13] <FatPhil> n.p. Eruption by every band that ever did a respectful coverof it
[23:12:21] <c0lo> Save a lentil https://www.gofundme.com
[23:12:21] <systemd> ^ 03Save Lentil As Anything, organized by Lentilian Anonymous
[23:12:28] <c0lo> (grin)
[23:19:51] <FatPhil> technically, this probably wouldn't have happened without EvH: https://www.youtube.com
[23:19:53] <systemd> ^ 03Arthritic Shredfest
[23:27:19] <FatPhil> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[23:27:22] <systemd> ^ 03Goodbye Spandex
[23:31:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm more of a hot for teacher fan than eruption
[23:34:21] <chromas> Don't they kinda go together though?
[23:35:08] <RandomFactor> Not sure, you really got me
[23:36:47] <FatPhil> Van Halen refernce!
[23:37:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Create Nanoparticles that Deliver Gene-Editing Tools to Specific Tissues and Organs - https://sylnt.us - itty-bitty-tweezers
[23:37:57] <FatPhil> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[23:37:59] <systemd> ^ 03Van Halen - Eruption/You Really Got Me
[23:38:29] <RandomFactor> I miss Tina S
[23:39:52] <RandomFactor> https://youtu.be
[23:39:55] <systemd> ^ 03Van Halen - Eruption Guitar Cover ( https://www.youtube.com )
[23:40:27] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[23:40:29] <systemd> ^ 03Dread Zeppelin HeartBreaker
[23:41:45] <RandomFactor> That's an interesting fusion
[23:43:11] <FatPhil> it's a classic
[23:44:03] <FatPhil> EvH did say he was influenced by Page and in particular Heartbreaker
[23:44:46] <FatPhil> did you see my "granddad" thing?
[23:44:57] <RandomFactor> I'm still watching Dread Zep
[23:45:15] <FatPhil> Eddie van Halen's granddad: https://www.youtube.com
[23:45:17] <systemd> ^ 03Roy Smeck
[23:45:29] <RandomFactor> FatPhil++
[23:45:29] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 78
[23:45:35] <FatPhil> donkey shite
[23:45:37] <RandomFactor> Points for that
[23:45:51] <RandomFactor> Ohhh, bummer
[23:45:57] <RandomFactor> fatphil--
[23:45:57] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 77
[23:46:09] <FatPhil> wha?
[23:46:20] <RandomFactor> Figured you were attached to 8more
[23:46:30] <FatPhil> what's 8more?
[23:46:44] <RandomFactor> 77> 69, because....
[23:46:47] <RandomFactor> you get
[23:46:48] <RandomFactor> 8 more
[23:47:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> 68 ftw
[23:47:24] <FatPhil> technically that could be said about almost any number
[23:47:45] <FatPhil> ... because 69's a bit of a mouthful ...
[23:48:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt Greta Van Fleet when the curtain falls
[23:48:22] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Greta Van Fleet - When The Curtain Falls (Official Video)
[23:48:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, blow me and i'll owe you one
[23:48:51] <FatPhil> I'm not sure you're my type
[23:48:58] <FatPhil> send pics...
[23:49:07] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:50:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> first time i heard them guys i was like "wtf, a zeppelin song i never heard?"
[23:50:50] <RandomFactor> no kidding, i'm subscribed and dont remember ever doing it
[23:51:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're on the radio on forza horizon 4 or 3 or something
[23:53:26] <FatPhil> if there's one thing I do like/admire the US for it's the radio that's still playing good music
[23:53:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> and bourbon
[23:53:54] <FatPhil> zep was basically not on UK airplay after about 1973
[23:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> ugh, man, we still play em daily
[23:54:19] <FatPhil> oooh - I am a whisky (no 'e') drinker
[23:55:14] <RandomFactor> Dewars is my current choice. But i make no claims to being anything but a wimp.
[23:56:01] <requerdanos> How does the 'e' affect the flavor?
[23:56:15] <FatPhil> different tech
[23:57:00] <FatPhil> I think the Irish pot still tech, which is different from the scottish tech
[23:57:26] <RandomFactor> Now the Irish make some decent beer
[23:57:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> my current recommendation: Baker's 107. unfortunately i'm out cause i drank the last the other night. rua it is
[23:57:30] <FatPhil> n.p. https://www.youtube.com
[23:57:33] <systemd> ^ 03Wishbone Ash - Phoenix
[23:58:59] <RandomFactor> FatPhil's got my taste in music nailed I see.