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[00:02:02] <FatPhil> yes
[00:03:20] <chromas> no
[00:03:58] <chromas> if you escape the slash then irssi doesn't execute it
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[00:37:55] * FatPhil hands a dictionary to chromas, open at "idempotent", and lets him work out the rest himself.
[00:38:24] <AzumaHazuki> on the plus side, if he does it once, he won't need to again =P
[00:40:00] <FatPhil> well, at least it won't harm him were he to do it again.
[00:41:15] <chromas> yes, nonsequiturs. "I need to put a slash in this string because of unrelated math properties"
[00:42:12] <FatPhil> nope, reread what's been said
[00:42:19] <chromas> no
[00:43:37] <Cascade> yes
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[01:46:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Science Identifies the Ancient Enzyme in Bacteria That Makes Humans' Body Odor So Pungent - https://sylnt.us - what-is-that-smell?
[02:06:56] <RandomFactor> https://gizmodo.com
[02:06:57] <systemd> ^ 03Yeah, So It Turns Out Rite Aid Has Been Using Face Recognition at Hundreds of Stores
[02:06:57] <exec> └─ 13Rite Aid Used Face Recognition in Hundreds of Stores For Almost a Decade: Report
[02:14:28] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.sciencealert.com
[02:14:30] <exec> └─ 13Scientists Start Assembling The World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Experiment
[02:14:30] <systemd> Submitting "Scientists Start Assembling The World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Experiment"...
[02:14:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Scientists Start Assembling the World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Experiment" (25 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:17:51] <RandomFactor> =submit Sixteen cameras | Make a lovely light https://phys.org
[02:17:52] <exec> └─ 13Virgin Galactic shows off passenger spaceship cabin interior
[02:17:53] <systemd> Submitting "Virgin Galactic shows off passenger spaceship cabin interior"...
[02:18:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Virgin Galactic Shows Off Passenger Spaceship Cabin Interior" (24 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:21:56] <RandomFactor> fine...
[02:22:03] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com
[02:22:07] <systemd> Submitting "UK/US Governments Warn of QNAP NAS Malware"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com:443 )
[02:22:08] <exec> └─ 13UK/US Governments Warn of QNAP NAS Malware - Infosecurity Magazine
[02:22:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03UK/US Governments Warn of QNAP NAS Malware" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[03:07:58] <c0lo> =submit http://www.citypages.com
[03:08:00] <exec> └─ 13Minnesota Republicans delete account after coronavirus Holocaust meme | City Pages
[03:08:00] <systemd> Submitting "UPDATE: Yeah, no, Wabasha County Republicans were not hacked, that was their Holocaust meme"...
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[03:10:19] <chromas> laugh-react.meme
[03:11:54] <Bytram> =g wabash cannonball
[03:11:55] <systemd> https://www.youtube.com - Johnny Cash - "Wabash Cannonball" - YouTube
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[03:12:46] <c0lo> =submit https://www.bbc.com
[03:12:48] <exec> └─ 13Donald Trump Jr suspended from tweeting after Covid post - BBC News
[03:12:48] <systemd> Submitting "Donald Trump Jr suspended from tweeting"...
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[03:32:19] <chromas> https://www.forbes.com
[03:32:20] <systemd> ^ 03Overfishing In U.S. Reaches All-Time Low, NOAA Says
[03:32:21] <exec> └─ 13Overfishing In U.S. Reaches All-Time Low, NOAA Says
[03:32:28] <chromas> tmb's gonna need to pull some overtime
[03:58:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Engineering Chief Out After 7nm Product Delays - https://sylnt.us - golden-parachutes-are-not-for-enginners
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[06:07:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Approach Refines the Hubble's Constant and Age of Universe - https://sylnt.us - a-long-time-ago-in-a-galaxy-far,-far-away
[06:10:33] <inz> a-long-long-time-ahead-in-a-galaxy-further,-further-away
[07:11:37] <FatPhil> Ah, was in a bottle shop the other day - and they had the KKK beers! http://theanna.org
[07:12:33] <FatPhil> The shop was owned by a guy who briefly worked at the brewery that made it - at the time they made that beer.
[07:13:07] <FatPhil> He also had a photo of himself talking to the head brewer, who came up with the design of the packaging and the message on the side of the label: http://theanna.org
[07:13:45] <FatPhil> And that, dear Americans, is the proof of the clear racism involved.
[07:14:37] <FatPhil> https://www.wfsb.com
[07:14:38] <systemd> ^ 03'Anti-racist' beer pulled from shelves for looking racist
[07:15:05] <FatPhil> The amazing thing is the dissembling amongst the lefties to support the pulling of the beer.
[07:17:19] <boru> How absurd the world is becoming.
[07:17:33] <FatPhil> (the beardy guy in the photo was working at Buxton, where it was actually made, the black guy is from Omnipollo in Sweden, who basically did the recipe and branding)
[07:18:50] <boru> Banning words or changing their meanings, making opinions and inconvenient facts illegal or taboo, thought crime etc. I said before that I wonder what historians will look back and think about this era, but in the future, I wonder if there will even be historians or if they'll all have been hanged as racists or some such.
[07:19:50] <FatPhil> We hadn't met the beardy one since autumn, because we hadn't travelled to Riga this year, and we had a long chat about all things beer and life, and when we spotted those bottles (At 11e, not 40$), we asked him if he knew about the fuss in the US (he's from Nebraska originally, he's a love-it-or-leave-it exemplar) - and so he expanded on the tale for us.
[07:20:07] <boru> I posit we need an actual global catasatrophe to strike the west to toughen up these people who are professionally offended on other people's behalf.
[07:21:01] <FatPhil> Hard times build hard men. Hard men build easy times. Easy times build soft men. Soft men build hard times.
[07:21:35] <FatPhil> I'm not saying we need another world war, or anything, but I will say that the soft have definitely had too much influence in recent decades.
[07:22:50] <boru> Quite so.
[07:23:10] <FatPhil> I do fear that I will eventually be branded a nazi because of my opinion on the meanings of words.
[07:24:40] <FatPhil> Genderless 'he' has been part of the language for *centuries*. We noticed there was a problem with it being gendered - so we basically degendered it. Job done. Centuries back. Saying 'he' isn't exclusive.
[07:25:05] <FatPhil> <- Nazi
[07:25:40] <FatPhil> The problem is that I am cursed with this terribly offensive thing called "knowledge".
[07:25:58] <boru> This whole 'nazi' branding is also bonkers, imho. There haven't been any nazis since the 40s.
[07:28:05] <FatPhil> Per se, but there have been actual nazi-sympathising groups that borrow a lot of the traits. Enough to be validly called "nazis".
[07:29:33] <FatPhil> I have met many here in Estonia (a lot of the Russian-hating locals understand their history so poorly that they align with Hitler and the Germans. Don't worry, there are pleny of German haters who equally align with Stalin. For grand cosmic stupid balance.)
[07:30:21] <boru> Therein is the problem: do these people refer to themselves as nazis?
[07:30:31] <FatPhil> Some do, yes.
[07:31:14] <boru> Furthermore, if I suddenly wake up one day and profess that I am Egyptian and go around wearing a traditional pharoh's headdress and demand that people call me Egyptian and serve me as pharoh, will they start calling me Egyptian or King Tut?
[07:32:01] <boru> The phrase 'nazi', these days, is used almost exclusively to shutdown dissenting opinions, rather than label actual neo-nazis.
[07:33:08] <boru> I would say the majority of people who label _themselves_ as nazis these days, would probably be considered Untermenschen by the Germans of the 40s.
[07:39:16] <chromas> Same with the modern commie-wannabes
[07:39:23] <FatPhil> At least in some regards yes. The punk/skin side of the metal scene may have some physically strong bodies, but terribly weak discipline. And if there's one thing the Nazis were actually known for it was strict discipline.
[07:40:58] <FatPhil> One of the old-school punk metal bands here is shall we say nationalist, but politically neutral and definitely not siding with the .de or .ru influences in their history, quite the opposite. However, they always get nazi salutes when they play live, as the fans are a bit stupid to realise how inappropriate that is.
[07:41:36] <chromas> "It's cool; I'm takin' it back."
[07:42:32] <boru> Another red herring; the "nazi" salute existed in ancient Rome as a military salute, as was it used as a greeting amongst Nordic and Celtic tribes.
[07:42:37] <FatPhil> The first place I worked outside the UK was in one of Helsinki's oldest educational establishments. Beautiful building from the 1870s. Swastikas in the tiled floors everywhere.
[07:43:17] <FatPhil> Salutes being associated with salutations - who'd have thought!
[07:43:19] <boru> Whilst those fans may be fantasy re-enacting Germans from the 30s and 40s, I would say the ancient peoples of Estonia probably used it as a greeting, also.
[07:44:21] <FatPhil> It's a bit of a bold gesture for ugrimugris. Even acknowledging the presence of another wouldn't be expected!
[07:44:31] <boru> Heh, fair point.
[07:44:39] <boru> That is truly very Estonian.
[07:45:23] <FatPhil> When did you experience Estonians - they've brightened and opened up a lot in the last few decades?
[07:45:40] <boru> Hmm, let's see.
[07:45:51] <boru> Probably about a decade ago, and then two years ago.
[07:45:57] <FatPhil> Ditto Finns. The Finland of today is very unlike the Finland of 1993 I first experienced.
[07:46:35] <boru> Yeah, a bunch of Finns hang out in an astronomy channel I frequent on another net. They're a good bunch.
[07:47:13] <FatPhil> You had the opportunity to see a difference in those ~8 years. There was still a lot of humble and even dour behaviour 10 years back.
[07:48:04] <boru> Well, two years ago was a woman I worked with. She was an RF engineer, so already a bit weird.
[07:48:12] <boru> The guys 10 years ago were alright by me.
[07:48:40] <FatPhil> One of the things I most like about Finns is that if they're going to speak they speak their mind. If you take offence, that's your problem. A trait that is ever more valuable as time marches on.
[07:49:08] <boru> Aye, I couldn't agree more. I don't have time for beating around the bush. Say what you have to say and get on with it.
[07:49:19] <FatPhil> When I first moved here (10 years ago), I heard "why would an Englishman move here?!??!?"
[07:49:51] <FatPhil> Happier here than any other country I've been in. Although there are some aspects of some towns that I miss.
[07:49:55] <boru> Are you originally from England?
[07:50:35] <FatPhil> Londoner, but lived in Oxford, Loughborough, and Cambridge since my childhood.
[07:50:37] <boru> I thought you were an Esti that had lived in England for a while.
[07:51:15] <boru> My goodness. I've befriended a brit! I never thought this would happen. What have I done...
[07:51:35] <FatPhil> A brit with an Irish surname
[07:51:52] <boru> Hmm, diaspora is acceptable.
[07:52:03] <FatPhil> Oh, arse. The roof's leaking again :(
[07:52:24] <boru> Was this why you were asking about flashing there a few weeks ago?
[07:52:39] <FatPhil> Amazing. You don't fix something, and amazingly it doesn't fix itself.
[07:52:49] <boru> What have you got? Tiles and felt?
[07:53:24] <FatPhil> There's a plate metal layer, but patches are tiles too. I'm not exactly sure what's that side of the building.
[07:54:01] <FatPhil> I hear drips in the ventilation area, so it might just be a failure near the flue. Who knows?
[07:54:44] <FatPhil> Well, the guys who can shut the road down for a morning, and get a cherry-picker out there to look will. (Needs council permission to so do - housing association was supposed to have applied for that)
[07:55:13] <boru> Hmm, sounds like it could be. Leaks at the flue are common if the flashing wasn't laid right.
[07:56:20] <boru> That's one thing I like about down here in Bavaria; all of the houses have ladders built into the roof so you can access the chimney easily.
[07:56:24] <boru> Handy for this sort of stuff.
[07:59:02] <FatPhil> it only leaks in very heavy rain, so the leak might be 'above water level' for normal rainfall.
[07:59:33] <boru> Do you have access to the attic?
[07:59:45] <boru> You could look for damp up there, or any bellying in the roof.
[08:00:25] <FatPhil> Yeah. But no roof windows. Maybe they gound bring the cherry picker into our courtyard, and then abseil over to top down to the other side on the street.
[08:01:50] <FatPhil> no stains in the flat itself. it's the pipe area above the sauna that has the only drips, and access to that is smaller than head-sized.
[08:02:54] <FatPhil> Tecnically, from within the flat, there might be a way to access it from above, but I'm not sure. that's way out of sight even on tip-toes on the tallest stepladder we have.
[08:04:19] <FatPhil> our housing association is fucking useless. and disgustingly expensive too.
[08:05:25] <FatPhil> we pay $250/month just for paperwork shuffling, basically. In the office, which is more than half the size, we pay $40/month, and way more actual stuff gets done.
[08:06:28] <boru> Feh, yeah.
[08:10:03] <FatPhil> head of the housing association is basically the property developer, and he's pissed off that he can't sell a bunch of the flats, so he's trying to make those who did move in pay some of his loan interest.
[08:11:15] <boru> Scumbag.
[08:16:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Start Assembling the World's Largest Nuclear Fusion Experiment - https://sylnt.us - insert-tab-τ<sub>317.25α2'</sub>-into-slot-σ<sub>902.44β9'</sub>
[08:20:36] <boru> Interesting that they publish that article now, since: https://scitechdaily.com
[08:20:38] <systemd> ^ 03Cutting-Edge W7-X Nuclear Fusion Device Overcomes Obstacles
[08:20:38] <exec> └─ 13Cutting-Edge W7-X Nuclear Fusion Device Overcomes Obstacles
[08:20:51] <boru> Since Germany is way ahead.
[08:25:18] <FatPhil> It's only 3 dacades away, I hear!
[08:25:42] <boru> They always say that.
[08:43:30] <FatPhil> I am definitely pro-fusion, but I appreciate it's still at the early impractical stages of research still. I wish more effort would be put into actual practical safe clean fission power. Energy is the ultimate resource that we're most desperate for, wayyyyyy more than food.
[08:44:44] <FatPhil> I want .ee to build a nuclear power station - near the Russian border, obviously - so we can start to become less dependent on .fi, .se, .de, etc.
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[09:13:39] <chromas> That's a lot of patching
[09:14:52] <FatPhil> is he a pirate?
[09:15:26] <inz> FatPhil, I can recommend some good and fast nuclear plant builders to you
[09:15:47] <chromas> A certain kind of pirate, yes
[09:16:08] * FatPhil laughs so much he falls off where ever he was before
[09:16:58] <FatPhil> inz: technically you could lay some blame with the Poles for that, though.
[09:17:57] <inz> FatPhil, laying blame is a olympic sport here, pretty sure they've already gotten their unfair share
[09:19:21] <FatPhil> ooops, may have breached an NDA there
[09:19:38] <FatPhil> not sure how much is known about the mistakes made.
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[09:21:53] <chromas> It's okay. He wasn't here to hear you say it so there's nobody to tattle ;)
[09:22:08] <inz> FatPhil, how many IRC boxen you need to crack into to erase logs?-)
[09:22:38] * boru rolls eyes.
[09:23:18] * chromas roles eyes
[09:23:27] <chromas> dangit
[09:23:32] <chromas> s/e/a/2
[10:28:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Virgin Galactic Shows Off Passenger Spaceship Cabin Interior - https://sylnt.us - getting-away-from-it-all
[10:31:52] <boru> I wonder if they'll beat the Russians on cost.
[10:32:07] <boru> Currently, you can fly to the edge of space in a MiG-29 for 10K€
[10:32:47] <boru> Seems to me that all they're doing extra here is a parabolic arc to induce zero Gs.
[10:44:10] <FatPhil> it's the zero Gs that add the zeroes to the price
[10:45:44] <FatPhil> could virgin offer you a tail-spin stall? if not, they're offering inferior extras.
[10:49:17] <FatPhil> Americans: is this really true? https://newrepublic.com
[10:49:19] <exec> └─ 13Netflix' "Queue" and the History of a British Word in America | The New Republic
[10:49:19] <systemd> ^ 03Americans Have Started Saying "Queue." Blame Netflix.
[10:50:05] <FatPhil> Print queues have existed in MS Windows since the 90s, so you can't claim unfamiliarity with the word.
[11:13:27] <GrandFireWizard> What's a print queue?
[11:13:52] <GrandFireWizard> Printing, that's what they used to do with web pages, right?
[11:14:00] <GrandFireWizard> Just PDF if like everyone else
[11:22:40] <FatPhil> nah, print queues, as in print queues, queues for the printer: https://docs.microsoft.com
[11:22:41] <systemd> ^ 03PrintQueue Class (System.Printing)
[11:22:42] <exec> └─ 13PrintQueue Class (System.Printing) | Microsoft Docs
[11:24:23] <Ingar> the company I work for does document digitalization (scanning etc)
[11:24:33] <Ingar> you have no idea, the massive amounts of paper we print :)
[11:25:27] <inz> FatPhil, does your palemoon have a kerning error on that page in ASP.NET, where P and N overlap?
[11:29:04] <FatPhil> Nope, it's fine on my machine. I probably don't have the fancy font that's reqd to fuck things up.
[11:29:27] <FatPhil> +uire, bloody hell, this keyboard is crap.
[11:34:47] <inz> Aight, 'twas fine on fx and chromium too, something wonky going on
[11:35:03] <inz> Oh well, I really don't want to spend any time on any M$ site anyway
[11:35:54] <FatPhil> Yeah, I got a kick from directing innocent victims there!
[11:36:50] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:36:50] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5329
[11:36:55] <inz> FatPhil, I'll revenge with a useless tool for your terminal: https://inz.fi
[11:36:57] <systemd> ^ 03nyancat
[11:36:57] <exec> └─ 13inz/nyancat: Cat with nyan powers - nyancat - Git
[11:37:34] <inz> (sure lolcat already exists, but it is in ruby, way too wasteful :)
[11:37:48] <Bytram> inz: ^F fails to find any match with "pn" -- what were you looking at with a kerning problem?
[11:38:31] <inz> Bytram, there's a period between the P and N
[11:40:08] <Bytram> from "where P and N overlap?" I thought they were immediately adjacent... /me tries again
[11:41:11] <Bytram> Oh, you meant "ASP.NET" *literally*
[11:41:45] <inz> Yes, seems that some kerning engine takes the negative kerning between P and . and multiplies it by a bazillion
[11:42:31] <Bytram> looks fine to me, but I have NoScript running, so microsoft.com javascript was blocked. Enabled it now...
[11:43:00] <Bytram> looks same...
[11:43:15] <inz> Must be a local problem then
[11:43:15] <FatPhil> nyancat looks like the program I never knew I needed.
[11:44:15] <inz> You can also animate things, if your terminal supports: https://inz.fi
[11:44:39] <inz> (st, xterm, rxvt, libvte-based should work)
[11:44:53] <Bytram> inz: well. there are now 3 more domains that are blocked after allowing microsoft.com and I don't really want to enable any more remote "stuff" to run on my system, so I am stopping there. Esp since one of them is Google-related
[11:46:38] <Bytram> (msecnd.net, speedcurve.com, and google-analytics.com)
[11:47:02] <GrandFireWizard> try the aws blocker. https://github.com and watch the internet break
[11:47:04] <systemd> ^ 03corbanworks/aws-blocker
[11:47:04] <exec> └─ 13GitHub - corbanworks/aws-blocker: A simple bash script to block all AWS IP ranges using iptables.
[11:47:36] <inz> Bytram, yeah, seems to be related to the SegoeUI font, when dropping that from css, then all characters jump to their own places
[11:48:10] <inz> (just noticed that similar-but-opposite problem appears between r and v
[11:48:33] <inz> Ser Vice could be a GoT torturer
[11:48:52] * Bytram wishes he could re-kern a couple fonts so that "rn" does not look so much like "m"
[11:49:19] <inz> There's always fontforge
[11:50:23] <GrandFireWizard> frontpage?
[11:53:08] <Bytram> ??? that can edit existing "official" fonts? With truetype and other such font renderers, they are actually implementing a Turing-complete *language*, esp. considering cases where diacritical marks (for example) are composited onto "bare" characters -- probable wrong words use there but sill on 1st coffee.
[11:53:14] <inz> GFW, It might work too, but your resulting .ttf will be 100 times the size, with same properties declared and re-declared ad infinitum
[11:53:33] <Bytram> ugh. no thanks.
[11:54:08] <inz> Bytram, it's been able to edit any font I've thrown at it, but the kerning tool is oh so very confusing
[11:56:05] <Bytram> when I tested UTF-8 / UNICODE support when it was added to soylentnews, I recall there were some really nasty cases of "stacked" thingies. (was like 6 years ago). Hold on...
[11:59:29] <Bytram> inz: don't know if it
[11:59:53] <Bytram> inz: don't know if it's still online, but I found this illustrative: http://lettvin.com
[11:59:54] <systemd> ^ 03404 Not Found
[11:59:54] <exec> └─ 13404 Not Found
[12:00:18] <Bytram> grr
[12:00:26] <Bytram> =g "supercombiner"
[12:00:27] <systemd> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org - 403464 - (supercombiner) Gross abuse of unicode combining ...
[12:02:40] <inz> Yeah, those are very fun; as long as you're not the one who should filter away abuse
[12:04:24] <Bytram> IIRC, we implemented a hard limit on the site of something like a max of 4 (ish, not certain) diacriticals and then we ignore any subsequent diacriticals.
[12:06:01] <Bytram> here's one supercombiner I found:
[12:06:03] <Bytram> ừ̴̵̶̷̸̡̢̧̨̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̟̠̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̲̳̹̺̻̼͇͈͉͍͎́̂̃̄̅̆̇̈̉̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̽̾̿̀́͂̓̈́͆͊͋͌̕̚ͅ͏͓͔͕͖͙͚͐͑͒͗͛ͣ͘͜͟͢͝͞͠͡
[12:09:49] <Bytram> yes, that is *one* "character" that is comprised of 199 *bytes*
[12:10:24] <Bytram> well, enough with that rabbit hole this morning!
[12:10:47] <Bytram> break time
[12:11:16] <FatPhil> Zalgo
[12:11:39] <FatPhil> on which note: https://cdn.jwz.org
[12:13:16] <FatPhil> in which case, why not https://cdn.jwz.org and https://cdn.jwz.org too
[12:13:23] <FatPhil> happy nightmares.
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[12:52:29] <boru> The software on QNAP NASs _is_ malware.
[12:52:46] <boru> I got a good deal on one, and I couldn't get the shitware off it fast enough to install BSD.
[12:54:20] <FatPhil> the NAS I bought is just terrible
[12:54:51] <FatPhil> the only way to manage it is with a web interface which implements sometjhing like windows 2.0 in javascript
[12:55:15] <boru> Yeah, I nuked it and installed FreeBSD to get RAID-Z2 and GELI.
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[13:19:50] <AndyTheAbsurd> FatPhil: Synology? That's what I've got and your description is apt.
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[13:20:54] <FatPhil> AndyTheAbsurd: Ugh, yes, well remembered
[13:21:02] <FatPhil> horrible thing
[13:21:07] <FatPhil> terrible security
[13:23:06] <FatPhil> they rolled their own root password management (presumably so there are back doors) and the file management adminning account has the same password (always, change one, both get changed) as the actual linux root account.
[13:23:42] <FatPhil> And it falls asleep and takes 10s to wake up.
[13:24:26] <FatPhil> If I can be sure the fs is 100% standard, I might just rip out the standard h/w and bodge up some RasPi solution.
[13:26:22] <chromas> or figure out a way to install regular linux
[13:27:48] <FatPhil> I looked into that, and i think it might involve too delicate h/w mods for my level of competency (which is about -2)
[13:28:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm pretty sure it's not a standard FS, I think it uses some weird "Synology Hybrid RAID" thing on top of either ext3 or ext4.
[13:29:05] <FatPhil> I need to wear safety glasses in order to put on safety gloves, and need to wear a gumshield in order to put on safety glasses.
[13:29:48] <FatPhil> unfortunately for me, putting in the gumshield requires safety gloves.
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[14:10:41] <inz> Bytram, something in my setup (irssi/screen/dvtm) got really confused by your über ü, and spawned 10-ish lines of different üs
[14:10:55] <inz> Equally strangely refreshing made it collapse into single character
[14:13:53] <FatPhil> So - votes for whether we should just go back to ASCII? o/
[14:15:05] <FatPhil> Oh, nah, cor blimey, I'd lose my bleedin' paaaahnd sign. I'm devverstayed.
[14:16:15] <boru> Not to worry; you'll probably be using USD soon.
[14:17:13] <chromas> Shhhh, don't tell him about the secret upcoming freedom installation
[14:17:58] <boru> So there's oil in the UK, or israel wants to expand there; which one?
[14:18:21] <chromas> The second one. We have our own oil
[14:18:36] <chromas> We just use oil as a cover
[14:19:24] * chromas plants oil in .ee like an officer sprinkles crack after a shootout
[14:20:22] <FatPhil> Oi! Estonia's the country that taught the US how to frak!
[14:21:14] <FatPhil> (which is why I want nuclear, we've always been scraping the bottom of the barrel fossil-fuel-wise)
[14:22:32] <FatPhil> I think that S with a line through it character will probably come free for anyone's use after USD becomes worth less than the paper it's brrrrred on.
[14:23:16] <chromas> No problem; we'll just brrrrr $10,000,000,000,000 bills
[14:23:41] <chromas> we can bring in metric while we're at it
[14:23:42] <FatPhil> maybe we should just call it the imaginary currency symbol, and then just let people's imaginations run wild.
[14:23:54] <chromas> instead of the petrodollar we'll have the kilodollar
[14:24:26] <chromas> which is also the one-cent piece now
[14:24:47] <FatPhil> a dollar? it makes no cents.
[14:25:09] <Teckla> Unicode is a tragedy. We should go back to ASCII. :P
[14:25:38] <Teckla> I guess "Extended ASCII" is okay too. ;)
[14:26:11] <chromas> Replace it with a 64-bit character set
[14:26:58] <Teckla> I said the above tongue-in-cheek, but Unicode really is a disaster.
[14:28:36] <FatPhil> When it started to be a clipart library was when it lost all hope.
[14:29:11] <chromas> Everyone forgot about clipart so it came back in a different form
[14:30:24] <FatPhil> exactly
[14:32:19] <FatPhil> the first time I mentioned unicode being like clipart in MS Windows 3 to a youngster who loved his or her emojis, they looked me in the eyes with a deep confusion and vacancy.
[14:32:32] <inz> FatPhil, if I change to CP1018/SFS-4017/ISO 646-FI, all my code looks all wonky
[14:32:56] <FatPhil> well there's your problem
[14:33:21] <chromas> Remember text art? We need unicode to add modifiers to add arches and stuff
[14:34:42] <Teckla> FatPhil: You are so fucking right about it having become a clipart library.
[14:35:57] <FatPhil> Back in the early days of the internet there were a thousand free clipart collections you could download, and everyone thought the biggest one was the best one, and so there was this idiotic frenzy,
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[14:36:58] <FatPhil> now fast forard 20 years, and we need to have skin tone, hair colour modifiers, and gender specifiers in our charactersets.
[14:37:14] <inz> FatPhil, but people had so thin intertubes, that CDs with huger clipart collections came with every magazine and book
[14:37:23] <FatPhil> Can I have an effeminate 'i' in blue with a red dot please?
[14:37:25] <inz> +h
[14:38:28] <fyngyrz> We need a #fakenews -1 mod :: for intentional dissemination of bullshit
[14:38:55] <FatPhil> a just-plain-wrong is something I've been baying for for a while
[14:39:01] <FatPhil> disagree doesn't cut it.
[14:39:10] <inz> not-even-wrong
[14:39:13] <chromas> -1, No
[14:39:28] <Teckla> FatPhil: lol
[14:39:56] <chromas> How about unicode clipart mods?
[14:40:22] <Teckla> Alas, Unicode is just one component among many that are now completely broken in the software development field.
[14:40:46] <FatPhil> So I stare deep into the soul of the poster and select troll or flamebait appropriately.
[14:40:58] <chromas> -1, 😷
[14:41:32] <fyngyrz> -1, 🦇💩
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[14:42:23] * Teckla vomits in his mouth a little bit.
[14:42:34] <fyngyrz> perfect
[14:42:35] * FatPhil bathes in '?' unknown character symbols
[14:43:05] <FatPhil> =logs
[14:44:09] <fyngyrz> ah, your 8080 system's MC6845 graphics chip only has one font :)
[14:44:46] <FatPhil> Always make sure you've got a spare bit for parity, that's what I say.
[14:44:50] <fyngyrz> ...speaking of fast forwsarding 20 years. Well, 40, but hey, who's counting?
[14:44:57] <fyngyrz> forwarding, even
[14:45:40] <fyngyrz> parity is for pussies. You're not living unless you're running DRAM refreshed slowly in a highly radioactive ceramic case
[14:46:22] <FatPhil> oh, for the stuff the computer reads, sure. but humans are more important, so their 7-bit text needs parity.
[14:46:40] <fyngyrz> Real men juist type fast and don't use refresh at all
[14:46:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dead Star Emits Never-Before Seen Mix of Radiation - https://sylnt.us - intriguing-correlation
[14:46:57] <fyngyrz> your bits fell over? LAZY!
[14:46:58] <FatPhil> riding that mercury wave, eh?
[14:48:54] <fyngyrz> I see funny picturesd when I drink Mercury. Don't harsh my buzz.
[14:49:35] <FatPhil> those aren't funny pictures, that's the price tag hanging down in front of your eyes.
[14:51:50] <fyngyrz> Price tags have animated nude dancers getting shagged by foghorn leghorn? I Did Not Know.
[14:53:12] <FatPhil> quick - apply for an arts grant!
[14:53:38] <fyngyrz> Besides, my hat is made out of my own aluminum foil. The store bought stuff is bugged, y'see.
[14:53:48] <fyngyrz> so no price tag!
[14:54:38] <fyngyrz> we still need a bloody #fakenews tag though
[15:09:17] <fyngyrz> mod, I mean
[15:09:20] <fyngyrz> duh
[15:09:37] <fyngyrz> coffee++
[15:09:37] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5330
[15:21:20] <FatPhil> beer++
[15:21:20] <Bender> karma - beer: 73
[15:21:29] <FatPhil> =whoup beer
[15:21:42] <FatPhil> pah, whatever
[15:23:17] <FatPhil> perl's hard
[15:23:23] <FatPhil> number-wrangling's hard
[15:23:40] * TheMightyBuzzard flops down and dies
[15:23:44] <FatPhil> C-x C-c
[15:23:51] <FatPhil> tomorrow's problem
[15:25:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> #weather
[15:25:13] <MrPlow> 1576 East Main St, Humboldt, TN 38343, USA - Today: "Rain overnight." 91/71F, Humidity: 82%, Precip: 49%, Wind ~3mph. Thu: "Rain and humid throughout the day." 86/72F, Humidity: 91%, Precip: 97%, Wind ~9mph. Fri: "Rain and humid throughout the day." 86/67F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 96%, Wind ~9mph.
[15:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> got up and got at it early so i wouldn't have to work in the heat too much. that benefit was negated by having to ride herd on kids who didn't wanna work.
[15:28:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, fyngyrz, -1 Wrong is not helpful to a conversation. commenting and proving it wrong is.
[15:29:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrong statements don't need to be downmodded, they need to be seen as well as the comments debunking them.
[15:30:51] <fyngyrz> oh, horseshit. Mods are useful.
[15:31:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> downmods are there to hide garbage, they're not there to hide information. wrong information that is corrected is better than just correct information
[15:32:00] <fyngyrz> not every eruption of utter bullshit needs a rebuttal, it just needs to be marked so people can avoid wasting their time with fools
[15:32:18] <fyngyrz> fakenews is not information. it's anti-information
[15:32:37] <fyngyrz> and no one needs it. At all.
[15:32:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> prove it or you don't care if it's fake
[15:33:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, debunking false things is absolutely something good and a major reason for conversation in the first place.
[15:33:21] <fyngyrz> all you're doing by limiting adequate moderation tools is contributing to the godawful mess
[15:33:51] <fyngyrz> look, you can debunk AND moderate. It's not A or B. It's A, A or B, A and B, B
[15:34:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're not inadequate, their job is not to give you things you already agree with.
[15:34:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> very much the contrary
[15:34:26] <fyngyrz> again, bullshit. You're Doing It wrong. (c)
[15:34:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> well start your own news aggregation and discussion site. with blackjack. and hookers.
[15:35:06] <fyngyrz> {shrug}
[15:35:06] <fungus> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[15:35:16] <fyngyrz> can't cure stupid
[15:36:54] <fyngyrz> You persist in measuring other people's wheat with your bushel. This isn't stubbornness. It's just selfish and shortsighted.
[15:37:10] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[15:37:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> it comes from most every philosopher since there was such a thing, so ima hafta say you're dead wrong.
[15:37:32] <fyngyrz> yes, I know. You're consistent, I'll give you that.
[15:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, you ain't asking for good speech or bad speech, you're literally asking to be able to decide what is true and false for all users instead of letting them make up their own minds.
[15:40:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> gatekeepers, even crowdsourced ones, are never a good thing.
[15:40:08] <fyngyrz> nope. They can mod too. SO again, bullshit.
[15:40:32] <fyngyrz> you can't win this argument, because your position is entirley bogus.
[15:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> so why are you asking for it then if it's just going to get overturned by their points?
[15:41:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> because you think you're right and they should not speak. there is no other answer.
[15:41:06] <fyngyrz> my #fakenews mod is countered by an informative mod. Five fakenews mods, and no counters, however, and it's pretty likely you have fakenews
[15:41:39] <fyngyrz> again, bullshit. I didn't say a word about "they should not speak" - you're reaching (because you have no adequate point)
[15:41:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you have something that utterly fails to generate a debunking comment because you just used a mod to say it sucked instead of contributing anything.
[15:42:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. i'm defending the hell out of my point. you're utterly failing to say why silencing someone who you disagree with is a good thing.
[15:43:08] <fyngyrz> it is no one's responsibility to waste time countering bullshit. If they want to, fine. If they want to read it, fine. If they want to agree, fine. But it's very nice to have signposts so others can walk around the bullshit entirely
[15:43:29] <fyngyrz> you are not defending your poitn. You are just illustrating that it has no merit. Repeatedly, and in detail
[15:43:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, it is everyone's responsibility. if you choose to shirk it, you are supporting ignorance instead of knowledge. or you can't defend your own point.
[15:44:13] <fyngyrz> oh, again, bullshit. Mods don't silence anyone. You choice of what to DO with a mod is what silences them, or not - YOU are limiting people's choices
[15:44:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hell they don't.
[15:44:24] <fyngyrz> You don't have a leg to stand on here
[15:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> they just do in a limited way
[15:44:37] <fyngyrz> I read at -1. I see *ev3erything*
[15:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> most don't
[15:44:48] <fyngyrz> that's thei r chocie - not yours
[15:45:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you're wanting to make it your choice
[15:45:33] <fyngyrz> the site allows various ways of approaching it. You want to limit that. There's no adequate excuse
[15:45:49] <fyngyrz> no, I said nothing at ll about setting people defaults
[15:46:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're wanting to decide the score of comments based on not liking them even though they're relevant discussion matter.
[15:46:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, yes, you're looking to tell people what they should or shouldn't see
[15:46:35] <fyngyrz> I don't make it my choice. You could set up a #fakenews mod to ADD points. You're justg making up nonsense
[15:47:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> you keep saying that. is it that hard to put forth a decent argument?
[15:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> not that it'll help, mind you. legitimate discussion material, even wrong material, is never going to be endorsed as a legitimate target for downmodding.
[15:48:02] <fyngyrz> I can tell them I evaluate as troll, spam, etc. - someone gets in here selling colloidal silver, I'm going to mosey right on up and mod it spam. YOur position is that this should not happen. Which puts you on the wrong side of everything.
[15:48:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> spam is noise, an incorrect argument is not
[15:48:45] <fyngyrz> there's "incorrect" and there's serving up bullshit
[15:49:09] <fyngyrz> the former gets discussion from me presuming I'm interested. The latter only deserves derision
[15:49:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, and right now i consider you to be serving up grade-a, nazi bullshit
[15:49:33] <fyngyrz> lol you're so lame
[15:50:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's the door if it bugs you that much. we're never going down the echo chamber road. not even by inches.
[15:50:28] <fyngyrz> fell right into ad hom, the last resort of the beaten respondent
[15:50:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> you dunno what ad hom means then
[15:50:51] <fyngyrz> yes, feel free to use the door, TMB, by all means, there it is
[15:50:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is not ad hom
[15:51:04] <fyngyrz> calling me a nazi is ad hom, fella
[15:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, not when you're doing shit right out of their playbook it isn't
[15:51:38] <fyngyrz> well, then you are using ad hom AND failing to comprehend what you're being told. Good job :)
[15:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> ad hom: "your argumen is wrong because you suck" what i said: "you suck because your argument is wrong"
[15:52:46] <fyngyrz> ad hom: "to the man" learn your latin
[15:53:04] <fyngyrz> you should stop making things up to suit yourself
[15:53:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm plenty good at latin. google the shit. learn the meaning of the phrase instead of the word for word translation.
[15:53:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> because right now, you are factually, provably wrong
[15:53:55] * TheMightyBuzzard downmods fyngyrz
[15:53:55] <fyngyrz> nope
[15:54:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope is not a rebuttal
[15:54:12] <fyngyrz> so far, you've not brought up any facts. Just incorrect assertions
[15:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.bing.com
[15:54:44] <systemd> ^ 03ad hominem - Bing
[15:54:45] <exec> └─ 13ad hominem - Bing
[15:54:45] <fyngyrz> then you tried moving the goalposts all over the map to distract fromyour nonsense
[15:54:55] <fyngyrz> none of that has worked. It's all right there in the chat history
[15:55:08] * TheMightyBuzzard blinks
[15:55:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it is, where you did exactly that
[15:55:21] <fyngyrz> find that mote yet?
[15:56:36] * TheMightyBuzzard boggles at fascists trying to sell him fascism on moral grounds
[15:56:40] <fyngyrz> you've already been rebutted. You're just unable to admit you're wrong, or worse, unable to reason your way through the problem. And this is exactly the kind of thing that makes your idea of "always discuss" impractical. Some people - you in poarticular - are comitted to things in such a way as to be unable to change their positionn.
[15:57:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> how is this impractical?
[15:57:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> does typing harm you in any way?
[15:57:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you don't want to discuss something, don't be wrong at me.
[15:57:50] <fyngyrz> divestiture aversion, buyer's remorse, politician's fallicy - thgese are your achilles heel when you attempt to defend the inddefensible
[15:58:14] <fyngyrz> I am not harmed in any way
[15:58:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> then why are you asking to silence others so you can live in your happy echo chamber?
[15:58:48] <fyngyrz> you are, though. Wheneve4r you take off on one of these nonsensical logic loops, you destroy your own position
[15:58:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, wait, you browse at -1
[15:58:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're trying to create a stealth echo chamber for others.
[15:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, yeah, even worse.
[15:59:19] <fyngyrz> I'm perfectly omfortable with the entire discussion. I just regret that you are unable to modify your errors
[16:00:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> show me an error. you have yet to show any value in hiding false information rather than refuting false information
[16:00:03] <fyngyrz> Nope. I think eveyrone should browse at minus one, actually. But I don't have any feeling that I should enforce that
[16:00:29] <fyngyrz> you have yet to show that I"m advocating hiding anything
[16:00:40] <fyngyrz> your entire argument is based on that, and it's bogus
[16:00:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've shown that quite clearly
[16:00:48] <fyngyrz> users make their own choices about what they see
[16:00:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> most folks browse at 0, because it's the default
[16:00:58] <fyngyrz> that's their choice
[16:01:17] <fyngyrz> I dont' propose to limit their choice
[16:01:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, and you're trying to use that choice to control their minds by hiding things from them that you don't like
[16:01:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> not offtopic nonsense or advertisements, legitimate discussion
[16:01:49] <fyngyrz> in fact, if you had the courage of your convictions, you'd change that defaul to -1. You should do that if you really believe what you're saying. Go ahead. I'll wait here. I'd love to see it.
[16:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> why?
[16:02:10] <fyngyrz> why, what?
[16:02:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> my convictions don't extend to telling people what they have to do. that's yours.
[16:02:30] <fyngyrz> you're electing to hide things, with the default, TMB, by your own logic train
[16:02:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> scuse me, you're trying to tell them what to think
[16:02:44] <fyngyrz> a default of 0 hides all -1 content
[16:02:48] <fyngyrz> you're censiring them.
[16:02:54] <fyngyrz> censoring
[16:03:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> you really going full retard with that argument?
[16:03:12] <fyngyrz> lol ad hom again
[16:03:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, again, you're an idiot because the argument sucks not the other way around
[16:04:03] <fyngyrz> So, you are saying that (a) "I" wnt to hide things by providing a mod, and (b) you are okay with hiding thigns BY DEFAULT and your argument is valid. lol. So silly.
[16:04:19] <fyngyrz> ad hom again.
[16:04:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[16:04:23] <fyngyrz> so weak.
[16:04:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing should be at -1 unless it is noise
[16:04:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> not discussion you disagree with, noise
[16:04:55] <fyngyrz> fella, I'm as far from an idiot as you're ever likely to meet. Likewise, nazi. Etc. You're just failing here.
[16:05:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't matter what kind of authoritarian you want to call yourself. you're arguing in favor of controlling what people see.
[16:05:38] <fyngyrz> some people - you know, people who actually know what's going on - consider fakenews noise. This is legitimate
[16:05:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> based on you not liking the content of legitimate discussion.
[16:06:09] <fyngyrz> no, that's you. You're keeping the default at zero, not me. YOU are the one promulgating hiding, not me.
[16:06:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it is not. no moreso than posting an incorrect formula in a math discussion is.
[16:06:54] <fyngyrz> set the deault to -1. This ensures that the default does not hide, and so your argument of "most people browse at zero" is gone (and it should be)
[16:07:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> you want to be able to hide the speech of people you decide are wrong. there is no possible way in which this is morally correct.
[16:07:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh do fuck off and die with that nonsense. i already told you why that's bloody stupid.
[16:07:32] <fyngyrz> nope. I don't want to be able to hide them. That's up to the user. I think everyone should browse by default at -1, and th4en, if they like, tune to taste
[16:07:44] <fyngyrz> YOU, however, are hiding stuff with a default of 0
[16:07:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you want to exploit their laziness to promote your world view
[16:07:54] <fyngyrz> strung up by your own petard there
[16:07:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck off with that
[16:08:01] <fyngyrz> haha
[16:08:02] <fyngyrz> so lame
[16:08:30] <fyngyrz> no, I want them to browse at -1 -- again, you're completedly wrong on this
[16:09:03] <fyngyrz> I want them top have more information - mods are info. They don't have to be used to hide. I certainly don't use them that way
[16:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> and then you try calling me an authoritarian because i don't force them do to something that would render your proposed mod, and all mods, irrelevant. so not even a valid argument but flailing because you do not have one.
[16:09:18] <fyngyrz> you have nowhere to stand, your argument is entirely specious
[16:09:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> keep saying that, you might convince yourself after a while
[16:09:52] <fyngyrz> what? Mods are irrelevant if they aren't used to hide content? Good grief, are you drunk?
[16:10:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, they are not tags
[16:10:04] <fyngyrz> fella, I'd be 100% okay if you couldn't hide ANYTHING
[16:10:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> they are functional and have very demonstrable value
[16:10:22] <fyngyrz> set it all to -1 and take away the hiding. I'm 100% okay with that
[16:10:55] <fyngyrz> you're not. You fail under your own argument's tenants
[16:11:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, unless you're actually going to make a sincere argument instead of fucking trolling, ima go eat lunch
[16:11:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause no sane human could possibly believe so much self-contradictory bullshit
[16:12:12] <fyngyrz> if mods have demonstrable value in hiding, then it follows that other maods can also have such valule. Personally, I don't use them that way, but if someone else wants to, I'm perfectly okay with tyhat, You, hwoever, seem terrified of a mod being used that way. Who's doing the controlling? Not me. YOU.
[16:12:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> hiding noise is not even sort of the same as hiding things you don't like hearing
[16:12:55] <fyngyrz> go have lunch. You an't win when you're 100% wrong, as you are here. You are defintitely wasting your time. Me, I'm retired, my time is my own :)
[16:13:21] <fyngyrz> I'm not advocating hiding. You are. Sorry, Still wrong.
[16:13:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, you are. that's why mods exist. they are not tags that you can simply use to describe something. they have function and purpose.
[16:14:00] <fyngyrz> show me you're not in favor of hiding. Make the default -1. Go ahead.
[16:14:34] * fyngyrz whistles
[16:16:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free to start posting -1 ImaAsshole as rebuttals though. i mean if your purpose ain't to hide the information then all you want is to convey that you're disagreeing without bothering to defend your position.
[16:17:05] <fyngyrz> in re "make an arugment", my argument is this: 1: we need a #fakenews mod; 2: mods don't hide content. Users hide content; 3: you advocate mods hiding content. I don't. None of which have yourebutted in any valid manner.
[16:17:52] <fyngyrz> that's spam, stretching the thread to no purpose. Again, you advocate bullshit
[16:17:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that is not and never has been the purpose of mods. -1 Disagree was in fact me mocking people for ragemodding instead of defending their position. i'm certainly not gonna help you out with that.
[16:18:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> mods entire purpose is to hide content. that you choose to disable that functionality is not a rebuttal.
[16:19:05] <fyngyrz> that's your opinion. People will use it as they see fit. You've confused your opinion with the reality
[16:19:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ...
[16:19:38] <fyngyrz> I dont' use mods to hide content. I use them to get a sense of what others consider meritorious, or not
[16:19:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have no idea what to say to something that stupid
[16:20:10] <fyngyrz> well, there you go. You've reached the end of your errors
[16:20:25] <fyngyrz> dont' you hagve alunch to prep? :)
[16:20:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ima go eat. you can troll me more later if you like.
[16:21:16] <fyngyrz> No trolling here. We need a fakenews mod. It's just that simple. Doesn't bother me a bit. Enjoy your lunch.
[16:21:35] <Teckla> #weather
[16:21:35] <MrPlow> No location found for Teckla
[16:21:42] <Teckla> #weather st. paul, mn
[16:21:44] <MrPlow> Blue Star Memorial HWY/34th Infantry (Red Bull) Division Highway, Saint Paul, MN 55155, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 84/63F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~3mph. Thu: "Clear throughout the day." 81/61F, Humidity: 66%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~4mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 83/64F, Humidity: 63%, Precip: 1%, Wind ~2mph.
[16:22:32] <fyngyrz> oh, and when you get back, show us you don't want content hidden, you only want discussion. Set that default to -1 :)
[16:23:02] <fyngyrz> users still have 100% choice, which you, of COURSE are in favor of. Right? RIGHT? lol...
[16:23:43] <fyngyrz> because you have argued that restricting chocie is a nazi authoritarian tactic (see chat history) - so stop doing it
[16:24:03] <fyngyrz> again, I'm all infavor of such a move
[16:24:25] <fyngyrz> but we still need a fakenews mod. That gives users MORE choice. The polar opposit of authoritarian
[16:24:54] <fyngyrz> also gives them more information, crowdsourced opinion info, of course. They are free to use or ignore
[16:25:16] <fyngyrz> your position is both anti-choice and anti-freedom
[16:25:21] <fyngyrz> pretty lame, actually
[16:25:57] * fyngyrz laughs at TMBs utter fail
[16:33:15] <fyngyrz> Unfortunately, FatPhil is right. The only solution in the face of TMB's inability to reason his way out of a paper bag is to (mis)use troll mods.
[16:34:17] <fyngyrz> I'm not going to do that myself, but I would understand it if someone decided to go there.
[16:42:45] <fyngyrz> soylentnews.org at 16:43 GMT 202007
[16:42:45] <fyngyrz> Error 503 Service Unavailable
[16:42:45] <fyngyrz> Service Unavailable
[16:42:47] <fyngyrz> Guru Meditation:
[16:42:49] <fyngyrz> XID: 1594507835
[16:42:51] <fyngyrz> Varnish cache server29
[16:46:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> fyngyrz, should be fine now
[16:46:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, lemme see if i fully grok your argument here before i get down for a nap...
[16:46:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Identify a Cat in the UK Infected With SARS-CoV-2 - https://sylnt.us - nine-lives
[16:46:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> we provide flat head screwdrivers to site users
[16:47:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> you use yours for a prybar and want them all made three feet long and much wider
[16:47:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i tell you no, it's a screwdriver not a prybar and that would make it useless as a screwdriver
[16:47:44] <fyngyrz> Continues:
[16:47:44] <fyngyrz> Error 503 Service Unavailable
[16:47:44] <fyngyrz> Service Unavailable
[16:47:46] <fyngyrz> Guru Meditation:
[16:47:48] <fyngyrz> XID: 1862246183
[16:47:50] <fyngyrz> Varnish cache server
[16:48:31] <Teckla> SN is broken for me too.
[16:48:36] <fyngyrz> no, you don't grok my argument. You also seem to have a problem with metaphors. I suggest you aviod them. :)
[16:48:48] <fyngyrz> avoid, sigh
[16:48:49] <Teckla> Except I'm getting Internal Server Error.
[16:49:04] * fyngyrz fingers are lysdexic
[16:49:17] <guy_> ditto here with internal server error
[16:49:44] <guy_> Internal Server Error
[16:49:44] <guy_> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[16:49:44] <guy_> Please contact the server administrator, admin@soylentnews.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[16:49:44] <guy_> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
[16:49:53] * Teckla very, very rarely mods people down; he almost exclusively mods people up.
[16:50:00] <fyngyrz> my argument is tht we need a #fakenews mod. That it provides more options to the user. And also, it would be great if the default reading level was -1
[16:50:23] <fyngyrz> which I hadn't rsweally thought of, so thank you for putting that in my head.
[16:50:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> it also turns a screwdriver into a prybar unless everyone goes in and affirmatively selects screwdriver
[16:50:46] <fyngyrz> I dont' support the idea of by defaault hiding anything. Just of giving users ways to triage what they see, if they want to do that
[16:50:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can suggest that sort of nonsense all you like but i'm not gonna say yes
[16:51:01] <fyngyrz> agin, avoid metaphors. YOu fail at this one, anyway
[16:51:13] * guy_ has multiple screwdrivers and prybars, doesn't want the site's crummy cheap screwdriver
[16:51:21] <Teckla> fyngyrz: Hypothesis: lefties would constantly #fakenews righties and righties would constantly #fakenews lefties and #fakenews would become worthless.
[16:51:24] <fyngyrz> guy++
[16:51:24] <Bender> karma - guy: 2
[16:51:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, moderation is a tool. you're looking for the very first non-noise downmod to be put in. it's not gonna happen.
[16:51:33] <fyngyrz> er
[16:51:45] <fyngyrz> guy_++
[16:51:45] <Bender> karma - guy_: 1
[16:53:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> better?
[16:53:36] <fyngyrz> of course it isn't. It would require you to admit, tacitly or otherwise, that you've been supid about this I well remember the amount of effort it took to get you to realize what a dictionary actually worked in perl/python You denied that for days, in detail and at length. And you, of course, were completely wrong. That's the same thing that's happening here. You just can't step back from your own error and keep compounding it.
[16:53:36] <fyngyrz> Doesn't faze me one bit.
[16:53:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> the site i mean. stopped giving a shit about your argument once i understood it fully.
[16:54:01] <fyngyrz> site comes up now, but the home page is blank
[16:54:46] <Teckla> Being wrong isn't a big problem so much as being wrong and never changing your mind based on new evidence/facts/information.
[16:54:49] <fyngyrz> done's matter if you give a shit or not. You're still wrong, and you will remain wrong. :)
[16:54:58] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: SN is fixed for me.
[16:55:04] <guy_> My gerbil is missing - is she making a nest in the server room again?
[16:55:16] <fyngyrz> yep, working now
[16:55:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> feel free to think so, but i take great comfort that you can't mod me #fakenews for being wrong
[16:55:41] <fyngyrz> Perhaps I should just mod you troll, then
[16:55:50] <fyngyrz> that suit you?
[16:56:11] <Teckla> Downmods are often (almost ways?) counterproductive unless the person is just being an obvious troll.
[16:56:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> abuse as you see fit, countering asshats that abuse the mod system is why everyone has mod points
[16:56:15] <guy_> If we were to mod all the fake news that comes along, that would be about 80% of news stories, and 70% of tech stories
[16:56:24] <fyngyrz> here, it'd more be spam than troll, though
[16:56:27] <Teckla> If they are honest to God wrong, and not trying to troll, it's better to respond to them with a counterargument.
[16:56:32] <Teckla> Of course, never, ever expect people to change their minds.
[16:56:50] <Teckla> This is 2020. People never fucking change their minds about anything anymore.
[16:56:57] <fyngyrz> Teckla++
[16:56:57] <Bender> karma - teckla: 5
[16:57:27] <fyngyrz> we dont' have mnods for the actual stories (unfortunately)
[16:57:34] <Teckla> These days, you're either in the right tribe, or the wrong tribe. It's so tiresome.
[16:57:39] <fyngyrz> it is
[16:58:25] <Teckla> For example, I find it frustrating that conservatives and liberals both hate me, because I agree with some conservative principles, and some liberal principles.
[16:58:29] <fyngyrz> I favor both far left and far right positions... so I eencounter this on a pretty regular basis
[16:58:38] <fyngyrz> exactly
[16:58:39] <Teckla> Therefore, both tribes hate me. BURN THE HERETIC! He doesn't agree with us 100%!
[16:58:55] <fyngyrz> lol yes
[16:58:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, appears the site's working so i'm off to my nap.
[16:58:57] <guy_> free thinkers are dangerous
[16:59:05] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Naps are awesome. Enjoy. :)
[16:59:07] <Teckla> naps++
[16:59:07] <Bender> karma - naps: 114
[16:59:10] <guy_> buzzard is that an OMN
[16:59:15] <guy_> Old Man's Nap
[16:59:36] <fyngyrz> fortunately, barring *really* outrageous behavior, social media posts tend to be #fakefire
[16:59:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but i've still got another decade of practice before i'm that good
[16:59:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> but practice i shall
[17:01:10] <fyngyrz> I do OMNs with dependable regularity
[17:02:02] <guy_> recent events have me thinking about trying out an OMN
[17:02:23] <fyngyrz> they're awesome
[17:13:30] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.theregister.com
[17:13:32] <exec> └─ 13Once considered lost, ESA and NASA's SOHO came back from the brink of death to work even better than it did before • The Register
[17:13:32] <systemd> Submitting "Once considered lost, ESA and NASA's SOHO came back from the brink of death to work even better than it did before"...
[17:13:54] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Once Considered Lost, ESA and NASA's SOHO Came Back From the Brink of Death to Work Even Better Than" (104 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:14:01] <RandomFactor> Not really 'current news' but a great read nonetheless
[17:16:10] <RandomFactor> https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com
[17:16:12] <systemd> ^ 03Cyber-Criminals Continue to Exploit #COVID19 During Q2
[17:16:14] <exec> └─ 13Cyber-Criminals Continue to Exploit #COVID19 During Q2 - Infosecurity Magazine
[17:21:52] <RandomFactor> Sensationalist about Covid.
[17:43:35] <boru> =submit https://www.mintpressnews.com
[17:43:37] <exec> └─ 13Israel Rolls Out Dystopian Cyber Espionage Award for US-Backed Digital Saboteurs
[17:43:54] <systemd> Submitting "Israel Rolls Out Dystopian Cyber Espionage Award for US-Backed Digital Saboteurs"...
[17:44:16] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Israel Rolls Out Dystopian Cyber Espionage Award for US-Backed Digital Saboteurs" (26 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:56:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Rite Aid Deployed Facial Recognition Systems in Hundreds of U.S. Stores - https://sylnt.us - There-are-two-eyes-in-"Rite-Aid"
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[19:13:43] <guy_> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[19:13:44] <exec> └─ 13Wuhan's 'Bat Woman' Demands Trump Apology As New Whistleblower Describes Early CCP Cover-Up | Zero Hedge
[19:13:45] <systemd> Submitting "Wuhan's 'Bat Woman' Demands Trump Apology As New Whistleblower Describes Early CCP Cover-Up"...
[19:14:07] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Wuhan's 'Bat Woman' Demands Trump Apology as New Whistleblower Describes Early CCP Cover-Up" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[19:30:41] <FatPhil> carny - did you follow the link to E. Bik's blog I mentioned on the 5G story the other day?
[19:31:34] <FatPhil> the summary links to her blog, I post no links (because the summary al;ready had them)
[19:49:45] <carny> i don't think so
[19:50:00] <carny> i might have missed it
[20:02:05] <FatPhil> this blog: https://scienceintegritydigest.com
[20:02:06] <systemd> ^ 03Worst paper of 2020? 5G and Coronavirus induction
[20:02:07] <exec> └─ 13Worst paper of 2020? 5G and Coronavirus induction – Science Integrity Digest
[20:02:31] <FatPhil> she does a lot of anti-HCQ posts, which piqued my interest.
[20:03:05] <FatPhil> However, all of them have one common denominator, so that doesn't mean all pro-HCQ stuff is being debunked.
[20:03:46] <FatPhil> I reckon you're about five times more literate in the field than me, so you might get more out of it.
[20:05:03] <FatPhil> I love the image pattern matching debunks she and her band of merry debunkers do. (complete with markov-model generated titles for the papers)
[20:13:34] <guy_> Democrats destroying statues around the world
[20:13:38] <guy_> https://nationalpost.com
[20:13:40] <exec> └─ 13The Taliban destroyed a trove of Buddha statues — now experts are trying to piece them back together | National Post
[20:13:41] <systemd> ^ 03The Taliban destroyed a trove of Buddha statues
[20:40:01] <carny> spontaneously generate Coronaviruses in skin cells.
[20:40:22] <carny> FatPhil: do i have to keep reading or is that enough for you? ;]
[20:41:38] <carny> this is exactly one notch on the scientific credibility scale above the young earth creationist video where they talk about spontaneous abiogenesis in a jar of peanut butter
[20:43:18] <carny> the sad thing is there are almost certainly unknown effects of these wavelengths in biological systems
[20:44:33] <carny> and the more we have idiots talking nonsense like '5g causes the coronavirus' the harder it is to direct attention to the real research that needs to be done on those unknown effects
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[21:05:22] <FatPhil> carny: that was the post the SN story was about, it's a trainwreck. However, her blog (notice how I keep referring to her blog, not that story) has loads of interesting posts.
[21:05:43] <FatPhil> well, her post wasn't a trainwreck, her post was *about* a trainwreck.
[21:07:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Zealand Publishes Algorithm Charter for Government Use of Algorithms and Data - https://sylnt.us - positive-step-forward
[21:12:32] <FatPhil> AND/OR/XOR banned, because they exclude the non-binary!
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[22:39:55] <FatPhil> https://mobile.twitter.com
[22:39:56] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter
[22:39:57] <exec> └─ 13Twitter
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[23:08:51] <Black_Dicks_Matter> Whoa, holy shit.
[23:09:12] <Black_Dicks_Matter> People in the hood are starting to call out the synagogue of Satan and not being banned for it!
[23:09:17] <Black_Dicks_Matter> They're getting likes!
[23:09:46] <Black_Dicks_Matter> Man, this cannot be good.
[23:10:45] <Black_Dicks_Matter> I guess that all the huge conglomerates trying to corral the viewpoint of internet media CANNOT decide after all, what the people want to beLIEve.
[23:11:34] <Black_Dicks_Matter> No shit, man, it's no joke. I'm seein' it.
[23:12:35] <Black_Dicks_Matter> Hopefully, finally, we can put an end to the questions of who really has all the privilege,
[23:12:44] <Black_Dicks_Matter> Who is causing all of the problems.
[23:14:20] <Black_Dicks_Matter> Who wants to get the Blacks and other goys beating each other up and burning down each others' neighborhoods while we all want to live in peace.
[23:15:08] <Black_Dicks_Matter> We -- America -- are Weimar Germany now. And we all know how that ended up.
[23:15:23] <Black_Dicks_Matter> ...Except that Americans NEVER lose wars.
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[23:17:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hydrogel Mimics Human Brain With Memorizing and Forgetting Ability - https://sylnt.us - external-memory-bank