#soylent | Logs for 2020-07-27
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[00:16:07] <chromas> Aw, lame. Apparently charter ips are listed on spamhaus now because charter doesn't want customers sending email. that's new
[00:16:08] <chromas> charter--
[00:16:08] <Bender> karma - charter: -6
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[00:17:33] <chromas> or at least, I never had an issue sending to @soylentnews addies before
[00:17:52] * chromas blames Azuma while she's out
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[00:40:07] * Deucalion invokes Satriani to inspire... Devils Slide https://www.youtube.com and Attack https://www.youtube.com
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[01:50:40] <RandomFactor> @chromas if charter allows port 25, it's more likely because of armies of botted home systems sending mail rather than Charter actually doing anything themselves.
[02:01:19] <Deucalion> RandomFactor, that makes no sense
[02:01:49] <chromas> the site says it's a charter policy
[02:02:08] <chromas> I didn't have that problem before but maybe it didn't affect my last ip
[02:02:43] <RandomFactor> A lot of providers lock down port 25.
[02:02:50] <chromas> Deucalion: it's just a spam list (spamhaus). I can still send, but hotmail and soylentnews reject it now
[02:03:12] * chromas shakes fist
[02:03:33] <RandomFactor> i remember finding out they were turning it off some years back on my cable company when it just stopped working :-p
[02:04:42] <Deucalion> OK - good luck getting unlist with Spamhaus... without paying ransom....
[02:05:35] <Deucalion> RandomFactor, you have an ISP or a nanny?
[02:05:37] <RandomFactor> Which site says what is Charter policy?
[02:05:53] <Deucalion> I'd guess Charter's
[02:07:13] <RandomFactor> Being on a spam list doesn't sound like a policy. And if you can still send then the likely policy (Port 25 blocking) isn't the policy, so i'm not clear.
[02:15:29] <RandomFactor> At least which list is it?
[02:15:35] <Deucalion> RandomFactor, ? ? Your local sending MTA if you run one will not use port 25 to send mails to other MTAs, it uses random high ports. It listens on 25 for incoming. It sends as a client to the destination server:25 from me:16anon1 port...
[02:16:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What to Know about 'Bunny Ebola' -- the Rabbit Virus Sweeping the Southwest US - https://sylnt.us
[02:17:39] * RandomFactor boggles
[02:18:31] <Deucalion> me too
[02:19:35] <Deucalion> maybe it all gets sent on 445 or 935..
[02:21:21] <Deucalion> deploy it.. it has a tick box to say it's secure and encrypted.... why bother analysing the traffic to verify that.... because
[02:21:48] <Deucalion> LAZY
[02:21:57] <Deucalion> UNDERPAID
[02:22:13] <Deucalion> DEMOTIVATED
[02:22:24] <Deucalion> OUTSOURCED
[02:23:07] * Deucalion exhales
[02:24:45] <RandomFactor> telnet deucalion 25
[02:24:58] <RandomFactor> ehlo randomfactor
[02:29:45] <Deucalion> best of luck
[02:32:50] <RandomFactor> Was just a curiousity. I've run manual smtp sessions testing and troubleshooting on TCP/25 for decades managing various mail systems. Never has a capture shown them switching ports, but if that an underlying network translation that doesn't show up in captures I'm willing to learn.
[02:34:50] <guy_> https://www.rt.com
[02:34:52] <systemd> ^ 03‘Snake ecstasy’: Russian synchronized swimming champion charms fans with underwater routine (VIDEO)
[02:34:52] <exec> └─ 13‘Snake ecstasy’: Russian synchronized swimming champion charms fans with underwater routine (VIDEO) — RT Sport News
[02:34:55] <chromas> the "advisory" for my ip https://www.spamhaus.org
[02:34:55] <systemd> ^ 03Spamhaus
[02:34:56] <exec> └─ 13Spamhaus
[02:35:57] <RandomFactor> ...Range block.
[02:36:42] <RandomFactor> Damn
[02:36:47] <RandomFactor> Charter--
[02:36:47] <Bender> karma - charter: -7
[02:37:03] <chromas> I rarely send out anything so I only found out when I sent a teste mail to my sn box
[02:37:12] <RandomFactor> That's assine
[02:37:16] <RandomFactor> assinine
[02:37:44] <chromas> Butt for $14/month more I can switch to their 'business class' service and double my megabits too
[02:38:04] <RandomFactor> So they have a half assed policy of "We'll put our residential range" on a spam blocklist but don't have the balls to actually block TCP/25
[02:38:24] * chromas just sets up a vpn through sn for proxying his sp—emails
[02:38:57] <chromas> that would only block spams coming into my server; they don't care about that :D
[02:39:34] <RandomFactor> the spam list will apply to many different potential recipients, basically anyone that uses spamhouse and honors the PBL
[02:39:51] <chromas> gmail puts it into the spam folder instead of blocking it. also google's the only one to ever send me a dmarc report
[02:40:00] <RandomFactor> the PBL is not an indication that a source is spamming
[02:40:28] <RandomFactor> it is their 'policy block list' where the range owner has stated the range should not be delivering mail.
[02:42:59] <guy_> =submit https://www.foxnews.com
[02:43:00] <exec> └─ 13Some police in Arkansas refuse to enforce coronavirus mask orders because they lack the manpower | Fox News
[02:43:00] <systemd> Submitting "Some police in Arkansas refuse to enforce coronavirus mask orders because they lack the manpower"...
[02:43:22] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Some Police in Arkansas Refuse to Enforce Coronavirus Mask Orders Because They Lack the Manpower" (50 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:43:25] <guy_> I could go for a PBR RandomFactor
[02:43:35] <RandomFactor> only if it is warm
[02:45:22] <RandomFactor> For funsies, try throwing your specific IP into https://ipcheck.proofpoint.com
[02:45:24] <systemd> ^ 03Home | Proofpoint Dynamic Reputation - IP Lookup
[02:45:25] <exec> └─ 13Home | Proofpoint Dynamic Reputation - IP Lookup
[02:45:46] <RandomFactor> but i suspect it will be 'not blocked'
[02:45:56] <chromas> pbr?
[02:46:01] <chromas> I'm white trash and I'm in trouble!
[02:46:11] <RandomFactor> Pabst Blue Ribbon. The king of beers
[02:46:17] <Bytram> !grab chromas
[02:46:17] <Bender> Added quote 976
[02:46:36] <chromas> They're using it as a blocklist. Bounced emails say "Service unavailable, Client host [68.189.141.116] blocked using Spamhaus."
[02:47:20] <chromas> I thought we were all against the ribbon and agreed that menus and toolbars were the correct groupthink
[02:47:22] <RandomFactor> Your options are submit and use charter to relay citizen, or use another email service, or request the recipient safelist your IP
[02:47:35] <RandomFactor> or pay for business class
[02:48:06] <RandomFactor> Since charter's going to tell you to get bent removing it
[02:48:30] <chromas> I wonder about sending from ipv6
[02:49:02] <chromas> I could use a new address from the /64 for every email
[02:49:34] <Deucalion> Precisely wy blocklists never work
[02:49:38] <RandomFactor> Hmmmmm, it's gotta switch back to ip4 somewhere, but if it masks the source that might actually have legs
[02:50:18] <RandomFactor> unless you're receive actually accepts ip6
[02:50:49] <chromas> don't most major services?
[02:51:02] <RandomFactor> not necessarily in the SMTP space
[02:52:38] <chromas> Maybe I just need to change IPs again
[02:52:50] <RandomFactor> WOn't help if you stay in that range
[02:53:00] <RandomFactor> that was a /21 range block
[02:53:05] <chromas> I was in 72. or something before
[02:54:02] <RandomFactor> soylentnews.org has IP6 entries in its MX
[02:56:18] * Deucalion chuckles
[02:56:24] <RandomFactor> Can you switch to IPv6?
[02:56:51] <RandomFactor> if charter has that option, check and see if they've got those ranges blocked too...
[02:56:53] <chromas> for a bit
[02:56:59] <chromas> it always craps out after a few days
[02:57:16] <chromas> packets just stop working
[02:58:02] <RandomFactor> or, you know, prevail upon someone at SoylentNews to SAFELIST your IP
[02:58:38] <chromas> True. That doesn't help with hotmail or whoever else uses it
[02:58:45] <RandomFactor> true
[02:59:12] * chromas hasn't actually send out any non-test emails in probably years, except a couple to sn
[03:00:02] <chromas> Being able to hand out a different address per service is pretty neat though
[03:00:07] * Deucalion notes that SN is IPv6 internally
[03:00:15] <chromas> One for steam, one for whatever else there is
[03:03:54] <RandomFactor> Could always toss up a dirt cheap linode server for the purpose of testing. That's what I did when i couldn't remote to my home machine to test work MTAs due to cable company restrictions. That went away eventually though when the guy paying for it left. I really ought to redo it one of these
[03:03:54] <RandomFactor> days
[03:05:28] <RandomFactor> (and by left, i mean 'was escorted out')
[03:07:28] <RandomFactor> Packets stop working sounds like something that might have been cleared in a firmware update if you are lucky...
[03:09:26] <chromas> I dunno. Happens with a couple different routers and pfsense so it seems like a modem issue, which would have to be updated by charter
[03:09:28] <chromas> :(
[03:09:46] * chromas blames google
[03:10:29] <RandomFactor> If it is the modem, money can solve that problem..... if you want to buy an alternate modem.
[03:11:17] <RandomFactor> you could also go down the blackhole of calling support
[03:12:06] * RandomFactor remembers that he doesn't hate Chromas and retracts that last recommendation
[03:13:46] <guy_> =submit https://www.sott.net
[03:13:49] <systemd> Submitting "Florida's 'Covid-19' case spike includes gunshot deaths, motorbike accidents - Medical examiner calls it 'clerical error' -- Sott.net"...
[03:13:49] <exec> └─ 13Florida's 'Covid-19' case spike includes gunshot deaths, motorbike accidents - Medical examiner calls it 'clerical error' -- Society's Child -- Sott.net
[03:13:50] <RandomFactor> But I suspect spending hundreds on buying a different brand modem to use IP6 when it might not even resolve the intended issue isn't a likely option
[03:13:51] <chromas> It just so happens that it's my own modem :)
[03:14:10] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Florida's 'Covid-19' Case Spike Includes Gunshot Deaths, Motorbike Accidents - Medical Examiner Call" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:14:14] <chromas> But cable modems only get updates from the cable company
[03:14:20] <RandomFactor> nod
[03:14:34] <chromas> But it could be a fpos
[03:15:26] <RandomFactor> I had non cable co modems. Not sure they ever updated them.
[03:15:43] <chromas> Y'know, I don't think I've ever seen a non-Motorola/Arris modem
[03:15:43] <RandomFactor> But hey, it was comcast, so maybe charter is better?
[03:16:06] <chromas> Well charter doesn't have monthly caps and stuff
[03:16:51] <chromas> but they do hijack dns for nxdomain
[03:16:55] <RandomFactor> Now on AT&T and I will say AT&T sucks, which puts it LIGHT YEARS ahead of Comcast.
[03:17:11] <chromas> or did. not sure about now 'cause I've got my own unbound instance now
[03:19:21] <chromas> They must've turned that off
[03:21:37] <RandomFactor> @guy_ I heard about the motorcyle death on some podcast.
[03:21:45] <RandomFactor> if that's even the same one
[03:23:30] <RandomFactor> Now i'm feeling motivated to beat up our filtering service for not supporting IPv6 yet. 800lb gorillas can be slow sometimes.
[03:24:05] <guy_> If you found a body, would you detain it?
[03:24:16] <guy_> https://www.9news.com.au
[03:24:17] <systemd> ^ 03Woman detained after body found in Adelaide home
[03:25:48] <RandomFactor> Was it already tained? Might not need detaining?
[03:26:36] <guy_> The story doesn't offer a lot of details, only that they detained a body
[03:29:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't all women have bodies? i mean, wtf good would they be if they didn't?
[03:29:18] <RandomFactor> Not a bunch of detail, but in fairness, one of the bodies was only unconscious so thats the one detained :-)
[03:30:46] <RandomFactor> @themightbuzzard exactly, we learned this in Metamorphosis (TOS S2)
[03:31:40] * TheMightyBuzzard tips his hat to great wisdom
[03:31:57] <guy_> =submit https://www.sott.net
[03:32:00] <systemd> Submitting "Mediterranean Sea was warmer during the Roman Empire, warmest period of the last 2,000 years -- Sott.net"...
[03:32:00] <exec> └─ 13Mediterranean Sea was warmer during the Roman Empire, warmest period of the last 2,000 years -- Secret History -- Sott.net
[03:32:17] <guy_> Always tain the female bodies? Is that the lesson?
[03:32:22] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Mediterranean Sea Was Warmer During the Roman Empire, Warmest Period of the Last 2,000 Years -- Sott" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:32:23] <RandomFactor> Although it should probably be noted that Zefram didn't age until the woman got a body... i'm sure there's a lesson there.
[03:33:36] <RandomFactor> @guy_ only tain if you are willing to detain
[03:38:26] <guy_> =submit https://www.smh.com.au
[03:38:28] <systemd> Submitting "Striken St Bernard rescued from UK's highest mountain Scafell Pike in the Lake District National Park in Cumbria"...
[03:38:32] <guy_> cool pic there . . .
[03:38:50] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Striken St Bernard Rescued From UK's Highest Mountain Scafell Pike in the Lake District National Par" (44 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:40:04] <RandomFactor> It says the brandy barrel was never a thing on St. Bernards. Say it isn't so.
[03:40:29] <guy_> I think if you want to give your dog a brandy barrel, no one is going to argue
[03:40:54] <guy_> and if they do argue, tell 'em they need to put their masks on
[03:42:18] <RandomFactor> There's a current story out there about some couple getting maced for not wearing masks.
[03:52:35] <guy_> =submit https://www.rt.com
[03:52:37] <exec> └─ 13Riots are driving Portland’s small businesses under, but mainstream media wants to sell you a different story — RT USA News
[03:52:38] <systemd> Submitting "Riots are driving Portland’s small businesses under, but mainstream media wants to sell you a different story"...
[03:53:00] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Riots are Driving Portland’s Small Businesses Under, but Mainstream Media Wants to Sell You a Diff" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:53:03] <guy_> Current stories? Do they come under oceanography?
[03:54:13] <RandomFactor> not on SN, some news site or other - bunch of links: https://www.google.com
[03:54:14] <systemd> ^ 03couple maced - Google Search
[03:54:15] <exec> └─ 13couple maced - Google Search
[04:27:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Should Workers Accept Pay Cuts in Exchange for Working Remotely? - https://sylnt.us - working-my-way-back-to-you
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[04:50:10] <chromas> $burrito charter
[04:50:10] * aqu4bot chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at charter
[04:52:13] <chromas> =taco aqu4bot
[04:52:13] * systemd signs aqu4bot up for a lifetime subscription of tacos
[04:52:25] * chromas installs a burrito array in aqu4bot
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[06:36:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Plant Roots are Melting Permafrost and Unearthing Vast Stores of Carbon Emissions - https://sylnt.us - uprooting-past-assumptions
[08:46:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Experiments Show Bacteria Grow More Lethal and Antibiotic-Resistant in Space - https://sylnt.us - we-don’t-yet-know-the-gravity-of-the-problem
[10:57:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Treatment Promises Hope During Pandemic - https://sylnt.us - breathe-a-sigh-of-relief
[11:38:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:38:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5326
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[13:05:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Disclose New Methods for Replacing Content in Signed PDF Files - https://sylnt.us - what-was-in-that-contract-again?
[13:55:02] <Teckla> coffee++
[13:55:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5327
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[15:17:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Home-Made Face Masks Likely Need at Least 2 Layers to Curb COVID-19 Spread - https://sylnt.us - and-they-need-to-actually-fit
[16:09:20] <FatPhil> how times have changed - having a little beer tasting session at my local, and, including staff (who are organising it), there are 2 males and 5 females.
[16:09:46] <FatPhil> (Nora, the 3-year-old has not been counted, as she's not joining in)
[16:10:48] <FatPhil> (we build her a nice fort first, to simplify things)
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[17:15:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Taken to Court by ACCC for 'Misleading Consumers on Targeted Ads' - https://sylnt.us - don't-be-evil
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[18:23:13] <SoyGuest271828> =declined
[18:23:14] <systemd> Thanks for submitting this story. It appears that no editor has yet selected this story to be run. At least a week has passed since the story was submitted, and if an editor was going to have selected it, they would likely have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue.
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[19:27:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Garmin Hit by Massive Outage After Possible Ransomware Attack - https://sylnt.us - you-can't-get-there-from-here
[20:10:36] <carny> wasn't that last week?
[21:31:20] <RandomFactor> Last i heard the question was whether they were gonna pay.
[21:39:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tandem Catalytic System Efficiently Converts Carbon Dioxide to Methanol - https://sylnt.us - now-if-they-could-just-convert-it-to-ethanol
[21:49:09] <RandomFactor> =submit https://massivesci.com
[21:49:10] <systemd> RandomFactor, 04submit failed: Parse failed
[21:49:26] <RandomFactor> https://massivesci.com
[21:49:34] * RandomFactor ponders
[21:55:58] <RandomFactor> https://www.bbc.com
[21:55:59] <systemd> ^ 03Garmin begins recovery from ransomware attack
[21:56:00] <exec> └─ 13Garmin begins recovery from ransomware attack - BBC News
[22:00:19] <RandomFactor> =submit https://www.space.com
[22:00:20] <systemd> Submitting "Oldest surviving light reveals the universe's true age"...
[22:00:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Oldest Surviving Light Reveals the Universe's True Age" (25 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:14:22] <RandomFactor> YES! Linus put me over the top.
[22:14:24] <RandomFactor> [18:02.28] <NerdRPG> Linus Torvalds publicly lambasted RandomFactor on LKML such that they can no longer look their coworkers in the eye. This delayed them 364149728 days, 18:46:41 from level 46.
[22:14:24] <RandomFactor> [18:02.28] <NerdRPG> RandomFactor reaches next level in 1191762748 days, 17:49:09.
[22:14:59] <RandomFactor> I am no officially over 1 BILLION days from next level.
[22:15:09] <RandomFactor> s/am no/am now/
[22:15:10] <exec> <RandomFactor> I am now officially over 1 BILLION days from next level.
[22:32:59] <FatPhil> 100000 years delay is pretty harsh
[22:33:23] <FatPhil> but you'll be ready for linux's year on the desktop
[22:33:40] <RandomFactor> Fatphil++
[22:33:40] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 69
[22:44:49] <guy_> =submit https://www.whitehouse.gov
[22:44:51] <systemd> Submitting "Access Denied"...
[22:45:00] <guy_> Bahhhhhh
[22:45:11] <guy_> maybe I do it myself
[22:45:13] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Access Denied" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:18:04] <RandomFactor> =submit still a cool shot https://www.extremetech.com
[23:18:06] <systemd> Submitting "Starlink Satellites Ruin NEOWISE Comet Photo - ExtremeTech"...
[23:18:06] <exec> └─ 13Starlink Satellites Ruin NEOWISE Comet Photo - ExtremeTech
[23:18:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Starlink Satellites Ruin NEOWISE Comet Photo - ExtremeTech" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[23:32:11] <Bytram> RandomFactor: FYI: that story was widely padded on Ars Technica. The photos were made using a stack of multiple photos; could have just selected a different set that did not include the satellites in them.
[23:32:22] <Bytram> s/dd/nn/
[23:32:23] <exec> <Bytram> RandomFactor: FYI: that story was widely panned on Ars Technica. The photos were made using a stack of multiple photos; could have just selected a different set that did not include the satellites in them.
[23:34:29] <chromas> Just throw some deeplearn at it to remove the streaks
[23:34:39] <RandomFactor> So it was a composite not a time lapse?
[23:34:50] <Bytram> iirc, yes
[23:34:55] <chromas> is there a difference?
[23:35:33] <RandomFactor> If you set your camera to keep the shutter open and continuous exposure, or have it take a shot every interval
[23:35:45] <chromas> Yeah. Same result
[23:35:53] <chromas> if you're stacking the shots
[23:36:37] <RandomFactor> Makes more sense with the gaps though
[23:36:39] <Bytram> 60 sec vs cat (10sec + 10sec + 10sec + ...)
[23:37:08] <Bytram> astronomers do it all the time
[23:37:18] <chromas> Yeah. With a long exposure then it would be even worse
[23:37:48] <chromas> at least this way we can divine some buttmagical alien message out of the breaks in the streaks
[23:38:08] <halibut> There is a tradeoff. Each image readout adds a little noise, so a single 20s exposure is a little better than two 10s exposures, if you are dealing with very low light levels.
[23:38:27] <halibut> However, having the ability to throw out frames that are damaged makes it worth while in some cases.
[23:38:46] <Bytram> true, but NEOWISE is not that dim atm.
[23:39:21] <RandomFactor> It's always daytime on the moon.
[23:39:46] <Bytram> !grab RandomFactor
[23:39:46] <Bender> Added quote 977
[23:42:40] <Bytram> =g exchange rate euro us dollar
[23:42:41] <systemd> https://www.xe.com - Convert EUR/USD. Euro Member Countries to United States ... - XE
[23:44:27] <Bytram> ==> 1 EUR = 1.17590 USD
[23:44:46] <Bytram> ==> 1 USD = 0.850416 EUR
[23:45:06] <RandomFactor> Didn't it used to be more than that apart?
[23:45:58] <RandomFactor> i have this vague recollection of 1.6 to 1 or something like that
[23:47:24] <Bytram> could be. with so much gov't borrowing for covid-19 stimulus, things could be wildly different very fast
[23:47:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Paper Blaming COVID-19 on 5G Technology Withdrawn - https://sylnt.us - bad-science
[23:47:52] <Bytram> =g exchange rate euro us dollar historical
[23:47:53] <systemd> https://www.macrotrends.net - Euro Dollar Exchange Rate (EUR USD) - Historical Chart ...
[23:48:03] <Bytram> RandomFactor: ^^^
[23:48:52] <RandomFactor> was looking at https://www.exchangerates.org.uk actually :-p
[23:48:53] <systemd> ^ 03Euro (EUR) to US Dollar (USD) exchange rate history ( https://www.exchangerates.org.uk )
[23:48:54] <exec> └─ 13Euro (EUR) to US Dollar (USD) exchange rate history
[23:50:17] <RandomFactor> so yeah, looks like it just ticked it at 1.5936 in July 7, 2008
[23:51:10] <RandomFactor> no idea why i remember that rate tho
[23:53:53] <chromas> muh golden ratio
[23:57:30] <RandomFactor> good a reason as any, and probably better than reality