#soylent | Logs for 2020-06-26

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[03:45:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sled Dogs Have an Unbroken Genetic Ancestry Dating Back Nearly 10,000 Years - https://sylnt.us - nice-doggie
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[05:55:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Maps and Website Give Fresh Insights into NZ Continent - https://sylnt.us - a-peek-under-the-covers
[05:55:56] <GrandFireWizard> =submit https://www.news.com.au
[05:55:58] <systemd> Submitting "Twitch: Sex addict claims hot female gamers caused him to injure his penis"...
[05:56:00] <exec> └─ 13Twitch: Sex addict claims hot female gamers caused him to injure his penis
[05:56:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Twitch: Sex Addict Claims Hot Female Gamers Caused Him to Injure His Penis" (15 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:56:24] <GrandFireWizard> It must be a hard life for him.
[06:01:10] <chromas> I was just reading comments about that
[06:01:13] <chromas> "f you read the actual court filing it literally says that one of the issues was that he ejaculated on his PC, causing an electrical fire while left his apartment temporarily without power."
[06:28:50] <FatPhil> It was a scary ghost - that's ectoplasm
[06:32:58] <chromas> I_understood_that_reference.mp4
[06:37:19] <FatPhil> Brazilian fart fetish porn
[06:37:22] <FatPhil> click click
[08:07:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Countries Agree on Regulations for Automated Driving - https://sylnt.us - Tesla-"Autopilot"-is-"Level-2"
[09:53:11] <Bytram> coffee++
[09:53:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5281
[10:27:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Representative Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) Can't Sue Twitter Over Statements by Fake Cow, Judge Rules - https://sylnt.us - don't-have-a-cow,-man.
[10:37:36] <boru> I wonder if historians will think headlines in 2020 were very bizarre.
[10:50:07] <chromas> Fake moos?
[10:54:33] <FatPhil> fake news is over 100 years old - if you look at the invention of the tabloid there was so much bullshit way back.
[11:03:35] <FatPhil> https://en.wikipedia.org(New_York)#Milestones
[11:03:36] <systemd> ^ 03The Sun (New York City) - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org(New_York) )
[11:03:36] <exec> └─ 13The Sun (New York City) - Wikipedia
[11:18:52] <FatPhil> And in case you're wondering how I know so much about US media, I learnt that from this: https://www.bbc.co.uk
[11:18:54] <exec> └─ 13BBC Four - Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History
[11:18:55] <systemd> ^ 03BBC Four - Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History
[11:25:50] <inz> FatPhil, I don't think I yet thanked you enough for the "dismiss the overlay" hint, it is really awesome
[11:29:35] <Bytram> inz: FatPhil: "Dismiss the overlay hint"? What is that and how would I do it?
[11:30:23] <inz> Bytram, "dismiss the overlay" is an extension for palemoon
[11:30:51] <Bytram> Oh? Neat! Linky?
[11:33:38] <inz> https://github.com / https://addons.palemoon.org
[11:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03JustOff/dismiss-the-overlay
[11:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03Pale Moon - Add-ons - Dismiss The Overlay
[11:33:41] <exec> ├─ 13GitHub - JustOff/dismiss-the-overlay: Dismiss The Overlay
[11:33:41] <exec> └─ 13Pale Moon - Add-ons - Dismiss The Overlay
[11:34:10] <Bytram> "click"
[11:34:46] <Bytram> Thank you!
[11:38:49] <Teckla> SoylentNews broken? Undergoing maintenance? Hit by gamma rays?
[11:39:22] <Bytram> ruh roh!
[11:39:51] <Teckla> Possibly just me?
[11:40:50] <Bytram> nope. I got it, too:
[11:40:51] <Bytram> Internal Server Error
[11:40:51] <Bytram> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[11:40:51] <Bytram> Please contact the server administrator, admin@soylentnews.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[11:40:51] <Bytram> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
[11:41:36] <FatPhil> quick things to check - partition full?
[11:45:40] <FatPhil> is the API access here working?
[11:46:47] <Bytram> I'm ssh'd to the servers and looking
[11:47:25] <Bytram> recording a few things with some previously-written scripts before I change anything
[11:55:44] <Bytram> doh!
[11:56:09] <Bytram> No wonder they are taking so long... oxygen has been removed as a server
[11:57:26] <Bytram> server errors. :(
[12:02:37] * Bytram has summoned help
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[12:22:31] <Bytram> FYI: buzz is looking at it now
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[12:23:25] <acid_andy> Thanks. Crossing all my fingers.
[12:23:39] <Bytram> likewise
[12:23:46] <acid_andy> Which is kinda hard to do, actually.
[12:24:16] * Bytram interlocks fingers of both hands as a workaround
[12:24:27] <acid_andy> :)
[12:24:38] * Bytram discovers that makes it exceedingly hard to type
[12:25:06] * Bytram pecks at keyboard with his nose
[12:25:13] <NotSanguine> I see you're on it, bytram. Thanks!
[12:25:54] <acid_andy> My 12 year old PSU died yesterday as well. Surely it can't be related.
[12:26:08] <Bytram> doing what I can, which at this point was to summon help from someone more knowledgeable than me
[12:26:24] <NotSanguine> My window fan did too, actually. Concidence? I think not.
[12:26:29] <Bytram> we needs moah powah
[12:26:32] <acid_andy> It had just finished installing Linux and I was ready to try the first boot. Nothing. :(
[12:26:42] <Bytram> ouch!
[12:27:10] <acid_andy> Thinking about tearing it apart to look for an internal fuse, as it was working OK till I powered off.
[12:27:48] <acid_andy> MTBF is claimed to be over 100k hours. 12 years is less than 4000 days and there's no way it was on even 10 hours a day. Way less.
[12:28:42] <acid_andy> It could be our electricity supply. Been meaning to get a power conditioner / UPS for some time but can't really justify the expense.
[12:29:08] <FatPhil> UPSs cause more problems than they solve IMHO
[12:29:51] <acid_andy> Well I guess it's another link in the chain that can go wrong
[12:30:00] <Bytram> yep
[12:30:32] <FatPhil> yup. uptime(combo) = min(uptime(PC), MTBF(UPS))
[12:30:54] <FatPhil> They can be quite pretty when they fail though 8-)
[12:31:26] <acid_andy> LOL yay for fireworks, so long as I'm not paying for 'em
[12:32:34] * Bytram is rusty in his bash syntax; wanna had a program, "servers.sh" (which may take an arg) that simply output a blank-delimited list of server names, e.g.: aluminum beryllium boron helium
[12:33:18] <Bytram> how can I invoke that in another bash program to get the list of servers to iterate through?
[12:34:06] <boru> Source it?
[12:34:45] <boru> `source file.sh` or `. file.sh` (I think this is valid in bash as well, but I have never used bash much)
[12:35:22] <Bytram> for server in $(servers.sh) ; do rsh ${server} ps -AF ; done
[12:35:25] <Bytram> ????
[12:36:00] <boru> You'll want a space delimited string of the server names to do that.
[12:36:01] <Bytram> like using backticks, but those cannot be nested
[12:36:18] <Bytram> yes, that is what servers.sh would output
[12:37:19] <Bytram> that way, I can *define* the server list in just one place, and refer to the servers consistently in many places
[12:37:27] <boru> Sorry, perhaps I am missing context, or because I hven't read the scrollback, why is there not just a server list in a variable?
[12:38:09] <boru> Yeah, in that case, I would have `SERVERS="server1 server2 server3"`, source that if you want to use it in more than one place, then `for s in $SERVERS; do ... ; done`
[12:38:13] <Bytram> cause I do that now, and I now server scripts which each have their own list of servers
[12:39:19] <boru> Right, `servers.sh` contains `SERVERS="..."`
[12:40:31] <boru> Alternatively, embrace unix philosophy and read them from `stdin` as BWK intended.
[12:42:25] <Bytram> here is an actual script:
[12:42:33] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[12:42:37] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~/bin$ cat bounce.sh
[12:42:37] <Bytram> #!/bin/bash
[12:42:37] <Bytram> servers='hydrogen lithium fluorine'
[12:42:37] <Bytram> for server in ${servers} ; do echo Accessing: ${server} && rsh ${server} /home/bob/bin/bounce ; done
[12:42:37] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~/bin$
[12:42:43] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[12:42:59] <boru> Seems reasonable.
[12:43:36] <Bytram> so, I would like to externalize the servers definition into a separate file: servers.sh
[12:43:39] <boru> What I meant was that if you wanted to use `servers` in multiple scripts, then just have the list in servers.sh, and do: `source servers.sh; for s in $servers; do ... ; done`
[12:43:53] <Bytram> okaaay
[12:44:03] <boru> That will pull in the definitions in servers.sh
[12:44:09] <Bytram> it is coming back to me
[12:44:59] <boru> Thank goodness. My copy of UPE is getting a bit battered from whalloping people with it.
[12:45:12] <Bytram> I want to use the *function* of back ticks, but with the alternate syntax that allows nesting of invocations of scripts
[12:46:08] <Bytram> is that: $(servers.sh)
[12:46:31] <FatPhil> yup
[12:46:58] <Bytram> yay!
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[12:47:56] <Bytram> that was a quick peek!
[12:49:26] <Bytram> I did a huge amount of shell scripting (mostly csh), back in the late 90s
[12:49:54] <Bytram> then add in a little bash a few years later
[12:50:21] <Bytram> == syntax soup
[12:52:01] <GrandFireWizard> hrk
[12:52:03] <GrandFireWizard> Forbidden
[12:52:03] <GrandFireWizard> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
[12:52:12] <boru> I'm a ksh93 guy, even still. I think bash is awful.
[12:52:26] <Bytram> yes, we know and it is being worked on atm; thanks for checking in!
[12:52:36] <GrandFireWizard> eeep!
[12:52:53] <Bytram> boru: ever try tcl/tk?
[12:53:12] <boru> Unfortunately, yes.
[12:53:34] <boru> As was common in the world of FPGAs, a lot of test benches were written using tcl/expect.
[12:53:38] <Bytram> over the years I've probably used at least 30 different command scripting languages
[12:53:39] <FatPhil> <--- shared grief
[12:53:54] <boru> When Perl got expect, I never used tcl again.
[12:54:07] <boru> I had a brief run in with rex as well.
[12:54:26] <boru> I've been considering bettering my Lua actually.
[12:54:40] <Bytram> I was consulting at a place and for whatever reason, they had settled on tcl/tk
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[12:57:45] <Bytram> boru: REXX was so much better than EXEC and EXEC2
[12:58:38] * Bytram had many a conversation with Mike Colishaw (sp) who wrote the language back in the 80s
[12:58:54] <Bytram> =g Rexx cowlishaw
[12:58:54] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mike Cowlishaw - Wikipedia
[12:59:30] <Bytram> wow! I had it right, and then fixed it to be wrong :/
[12:59:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 700-km Brazil 'Megaflash' Sets Lightning Record: UN - https://sylnt.us - lightning's-flashing-across-the-sky
[13:00:10] <Bytram> he was working out an IBM facility in England
[13:02:09] <boru> That story is incredible. That is some serious volts.
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[13:04:59] <acid_andy> woohoo we're back :)
[13:06:01] <GrandFireWizard> yay
[13:07:35] <Bytram> looks like I got logged out
[13:08:19] <GrandFireWizard> worken
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[13:14:20] <GrandFireWizard> you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, phishing the night away, phishing the night away, we drink the PHP drink, we drink the Koolaid drink, we drink t
[13:14:20] <GrandFireWizard> he ASP drink, we drink the pl drink, we sing the songs of the dotcom boom times, we sing the songs of the dotcom bust times, oh, cowboyneal boy, cowboyneal boy... the site got knocked down, but it got back up again, aint nothing ever gonna keep it down.. it got down, but it got back up again, nothing ever gonna keep it down
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[13:16:38] <GrandFireWizard> hmm
[13:16:42] <GrandFireWizard> yes, the site is back up
[13:17:00] <SoyGuest271828> =asub from the always-roll-your-own dept. https://www.zdnet.com
[13:17:01] <exec> └─ 13More than 75% of all vulnerabilities reside in indirect dependencies | ZDNet
[13:17:04] <systemd> Submitting "More than 75% of all vulnerabilities reside in indirect dependencies"...
[13:17:22] <GrandFireWizard> ... now I need to read that
[13:17:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03More Than 75% of All Vulnerabilities Reside in Indirect Dependencies" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:18:11] <SoyGuest271828> =asub from the watch-what-you-look-at dept. https://www.zdnet.com
[13:18:13] <exec> └─ 13Credit card skimmers are now being buried in image file metadata on e-commerce websites | ZDNet
[13:18:15] <systemd> Submitting "Credit card skimmers are now being buried in image file metadata on e-commerce websites"...
[13:18:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Credit Card Skimmers are Now Being Buried in Image File Metadata on E-commerce Websites" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:21:44] <SoyGuest271828> =asub from the vet-your-sources dept https://theconversation.com
[13:21:46] <exec> └─ 13How fake accounts constantly manipulate what you see on social media – and what you can do about it
[13:22:07] <GrandFireWizard> but.. I don't use mainstream social media?
[13:27:13] <SoyGuest271828> Then you're in slightly better shape. Who owns and controls the media outlets you do use?
[13:28:42] <SoyGuest271828> Do they have a conflict of interest with the topic of the news item?
[13:31:51] <SoyGuest271828> Does the media outlet have a conflict of interest? Maybe the company being reported on is a top 5 advertiser with the media company.
[13:34:19] <SoyGuest271828> At any rate, time to go for now. Back later with more submissions. Stay tuned!
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[13:44:54] <Bytram> afk; back in a while
[13:45:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site is back up - https://sylnt.us
[13:56:07] <FatPhil> when did MS invent "the ribbon"?
[13:59:30] <Teckla> FatPhil: IIRC in Microsoft Office around 2007
[13:59:36] * Teckla hates the ribbon
[13:59:51] <Teckla> But I'm old and set in my ways. ;)
[14:09:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> I also hate the ribbon. Stuff I used to be able to do in two keystrokes now takes four or five mouse clicks.
[14:11:50] <Bytram> does the ALT key no longer activate/select things?
[14:20:35] <FatPhil> TY!
[14:21:02] <Bytram> FatPhil: thank who for what?
[14:21:24] <FatPhil> I stopped using MS products in 199x, and so the last 20 years oof MS UI developments are a bit of a hearsay smoosh in my recollections
[14:21:37] <FatPhil> for dates of ribbon
[14:22:31] <Bytram> who needs discoverability, anyway? click and pray, that's now the way. right? :(
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[14:46:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink and Rideshare Launch Friday 2020-06-26 @ 2018 UTC (1618 EDT) - https://sylnt.us - rocket-man
[14:46:43] <GrandFireWizard> lucky you
[14:46:51] <GrandFireWizard> trying having to use their crap to get your job done
[14:47:43] <Bytram> that was being facetious; I despise the ribbon and think it was a HUGE step back from CUA
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[14:50:56] <GrandFireWizard> I'd like the option of having a menu
[14:51:28] <Bytram> me and you and several million of our closest friends
[16:03:23] <Ingar> well now there is Teams
[16:03:29] <Ingar> whic is categorically worse than the ribbon
[16:03:38] <Ingar> *which
[16:05:53] <Ingar> our outlook "focused inbox" which makes your messages dissapear, or the new stupid search bar inside the title bar
[16:06:03] <Ingar> *or
[16:07:19] <Ingar> (can I go on, or is that off topic? :) )
[16:07:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink and Rideshare Launch Friday 2020-06-26 @ 2018 UTC (1618 EDT) [Updated] - https://sylnt.us - rocket-man
[16:34:00] <carny> is it time to order starlink internet yet?
[16:36:06] <Ingar> or invest in laser technology to take them down ?
[16:48:58] <chromas> Don't take them down; just give 'em Microsoft ribbon toolbars and they'll take themselves down
[16:55:15] <chromas> $burrito Subsentient
[16:58:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - White House Ordered NIH to Cancel Coronavirus Research Funding, Fauci Says - https://sylnt.us
[17:13:18] <RandomFactor> https://nypost.com
[17:13:19] <systemd> ^ 03Lamborghini Huracan Spyder totaled 20 minutes after leaving showroom
[17:16:24] <RandomFactor> and... https://apnews.com
[17:16:25] <systemd> ^ 03Council advances plan to dismantle Minneapolis Police Dept.
[17:16:26] <exec> └─ 13Council advances plan to dismantle Minneapolis Police Dept.
[17:24:26] <RandomFactor> https://www.cbsnews.com
[17:24:28] <systemd> ^ 03Watch live: Spacewalk to upgrade power system on International Space Station
[17:24:28] <exec> └─ 13Watch live: Spacewalk to upgrade power system on International Space Station - CBS News
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[17:28:14] <RandomFactor> https://www.sciencedaily.com
[17:28:14] <systemd> ^ 03Transgenic rice lowers blood pressure of hypertensive rats
[17:28:15] <exec> └─ 13Transgenic rice lowers blood pressure of hypertensive rats -- ScienceDaily
[17:47:32] <RandomFactor> =cite 10.1021/acs.jafc.0c01958
[17:47:34] <systemd> Journal Reference: Hypotensive Activity of Transgenic Rice Seed Accumulating Multiple Antihypertensive Peptides, <cite>Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1021/acs.jafc.0c01958">10.1021/acs.jafc.0c01958</a>)
[18:03:12] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[18:03:14] <systemd> ^ 03SpaceX scrubs Friday launch attempt Starlink of satellites [Updated] ( https://arstechnica.com )
[18:03:14] <exec> └─ 13SpaceX scrubs Friday launch attempt Starlink of satellites [Updated] | Ars Technica
[18:16:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink and Rideshare Launch Friday Postponed [Updates 2] - https://sylnt.us - rocket-man
[19:07:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Guardzilla Shuts Down, Leaving Security Camera Customers Stranded - https://sylnt.us - you-should-see-what-you're-missing!
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[20:57:52] <driveby> https://www.youtube.com
[20:57:53] <systemd> ^ 03BLACK MAN DISMANTLES CHAZ - BLACK LIVES MATTER - ANTIFA - BLM
[20:57:54] <exec> └─ 13BLACK MAN DISMANTLES CHAZ - BLACK LIVES MATTER - ANTIFA - BLM - YouTube
[20:58:08] <driveby> https://www.youtube.com
[20:58:10] <exec> └─ 13IT'S Happening NOW! - They Don't Want This Out - YouTube
[20:58:10] <systemd> ^ 03IT'S Happening NOW! - They Don't Want This Out
[20:58:29] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:58:42] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:58:51] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:59:00] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
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[21:06:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Maryland Offshore Wind Farm Could Become Stop-Over Region for Migrating Fish - https://sylnt.us - gather-and-linger
[21:46:52] <RandomFactor> Tim Pool talked about this guy this morning.
[21:56:00] <chromas> Is he any good? Someone kept posting his youtube links in a shitposting group awhile back but I didn't really watch any
[21:57:02] <RandomFactor> He's a bit different. He's a liberal, but spends most of his time shredding the left trying to pull his party back towards the center. So it depends what you like.
[21:57:08] <chromas> Now I'm reading people argue over a local cop with a scout sniper tattoo being a total nazi
[21:58:19] <RandomFactor> He puts out a lot of updates.
[21:58:51] <RandomFactor> Also if you watch his long form show the other guy plays at the end sometimes and he's actually pretty good
[21:59:26] <RandomFactor> first time i left one on, i woke up in the middle of a song and was pretty intrigued
[22:32:53] * RandomFactor wanders off in search of Elvis
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