#soylent | Logs for 2020-06-26

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[23:18:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Comcast to Handle DNS-over-HTTPS for Firefox-Using Subscribers - https://sylnt.us - defeating-the-purpose-(DoH!)
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[22:32:53] * RandomFactor wanders off in search of Elvis
[21:59:26] <RandomFactor> first time i left one on, i woke up in the middle of a song and was pretty intrigued
[21:58:51] <RandomFactor> Also if you watch his long form show the other guy plays at the end sometimes and he's actually pretty good
[21:58:19] <RandomFactor> He puts out a lot of updates.
[21:57:08] <chromas> Now I'm reading people argue over a local cop with a scout sniper tattoo being a total nazi
[21:57:02] <RandomFactor> He's a bit different. He's a liberal, but spends most of his time shredding the left trying to pull his party back towards the center. So it depends what you like.
[21:56:00] <chromas> Is he any good? Someone kept posting his youtube links in a shitposting group awhile back but I didn't really watch any
[21:46:52] <RandomFactor> Tim Pool talked about this guy this morning.
[21:06:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Maryland Offshore Wind Farm Could Become Stop-Over Region for Migrating Fish - https://sylnt.us - gather-and-linger
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[20:59:00] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:58:51] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:58:42] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:58:29] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[20:58:10] <systemd> ^ 03IT'S Happening NOW! - They Don't Want This Out
[20:58:10] <exec> └─ 13IT'S Happening NOW! - They Don't Want This Out - YouTube
[20:58:08] <driveby> https://www.youtube.com
[20:57:54] <exec> └─ 13BLACK MAN DISMANTLES CHAZ - BLACK LIVES MATTER - ANTIFA - BLM - YouTube
[20:57:53] <systemd> ^ 03BLACK MAN DISMANTLES CHAZ - BLACK LIVES MATTER - ANTIFA - BLM
[20:57:52] <driveby> https://www.youtube.com
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[19:07:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Guardzilla Shuts Down, Leaving Security Camera Customers Stranded - https://sylnt.us - you-should-see-what-you're-missing!
[18:16:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink and Rideshare Launch Friday Postponed [Updates 2] - https://sylnt.us - rocket-man
[18:03:14] <exec> └─ 13SpaceX scrubs Friday launch attempt Starlink of satellites [Updated] | Ars Technica
[18:03:14] <systemd> ^ 03SpaceX scrubs Friday launch attempt Starlink of satellites [Updated] ( https://arstechnica.com )
[18:03:12] <Bytram> https://arstechnica.com
[17:47:34] <systemd> Journal Reference: Hypotensive Activity of Transgenic Rice Seed Accumulating Multiple Antihypertensive Peptides, <cite>Journal of Agricultural and Food Chemistry</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1021/acs.jafc.0c01958">10.1021/acs.jafc.0c01958</a>)
[17:47:32] <RandomFactor> =cite 10.1021/acs.jafc.0c01958
[17:28:15] <exec> └─ 13Transgenic rice lowers blood pressure of hypertensive rats -- ScienceDaily
[17:28:14] <systemd> ^ 03Transgenic rice lowers blood pressure of hypertensive rats
[17:28:14] <RandomFactor> https://www.sciencedaily.com
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[17:24:28] <exec> └─ 13Watch live: Spacewalk to upgrade power system on International Space Station - CBS News
[17:24:28] <systemd> ^ 03Watch live: Spacewalk to upgrade power system on International Space Station
[17:24:26] <RandomFactor> https://www.cbsnews.com
[17:16:26] <exec> └─ 13Council advances plan to dismantle Minneapolis Police Dept.
[17:16:25] <systemd> ^ 03Council advances plan to dismantle Minneapolis Police Dept.
[17:16:24] <RandomFactor> and... https://apnews.com
[17:13:19] <systemd> ^ 03Lamborghini Huracan Spyder totaled 20 minutes after leaving showroom
[17:13:18] <RandomFactor> https://nypost.com
[16:58:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - White House Ordered NIH to Cancel Coronavirus Research Funding, Fauci Says - https://sylnt.us
[16:55:15] <chromas> $burrito Subsentient
[16:48:58] <chromas> Don't take them down; just give 'em Microsoft ribbon toolbars and they'll take themselves down
[16:36:06] <Ingar> or invest in laser technology to take them down ?
[16:34:00] <carny> is it time to order starlink internet yet?
[16:07:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink and Rideshare Launch Friday 2020-06-26 @ 2018 UTC (1618 EDT) [Updated] - https://sylnt.us - rocket-man
[16:07:19] <Ingar> (can I go on, or is that off topic? :) )
[16:06:03] <Ingar> *or
[16:05:53] <Ingar> our outlook "focused inbox" which makes your messages dissapear, or the new stupid search bar inside the title bar
[16:03:38] <Ingar> *which
[16:03:29] <Ingar> whic is categorically worse than the ribbon
[16:03:23] <Ingar> well now there is Teams
[14:51:28] <Bytram> me and you and several million of our closest friends
[14:50:56] <GrandFireWizard> I'd like the option of having a menu
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[14:47:43] <Bytram> that was being facetious; I despise the ribbon and think it was a HUGE step back from CUA
[14:46:51] <GrandFireWizard> trying having to use their crap to get your job done
[14:46:43] <GrandFireWizard> lucky you
[14:46:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Starlink and Rideshare Launch Friday 2020-06-26 @ 2018 UTC (1618 EDT) - https://sylnt.us - rocket-man
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[14:22:31] <Bytram> who needs discoverability, anyway? click and pray, that's now the way. right? :(
[14:21:37] <FatPhil> for dates of ribbon
[14:21:24] <FatPhil> I stopped using MS products in 199x, and so the last 20 years oof MS UI developments are a bit of a hearsay smoosh in my recollections
[14:21:02] <Bytram> FatPhil: thank who for what?
[14:20:35] <FatPhil> TY!
[14:11:50] <Bytram> does the ALT key no longer activate/select things?
[14:09:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> I also hate the ribbon. Stuff I used to be able to do in two keystrokes now takes four or five mouse clicks.
[13:59:51] <Teckla> But I'm old and set in my ways. ;)
[13:59:36] * Teckla hates the ribbon
[13:59:30] <Teckla> FatPhil: IIRC in Microsoft Office around 2007
[13:56:07] <FatPhil> when did MS invent "the ribbon"?
[13:45:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Site is back up - https://sylnt.us
[13:44:54] <Bytram> afk; back in a while
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[13:34:19] <SoyGuest271828> At any rate, time to go for now. Back later with more submissions. Stay tuned!
[13:31:51] <SoyGuest271828> Does the media outlet have a conflict of interest? Maybe the company being reported on is a top 5 advertiser with the media company.
[13:28:42] <SoyGuest271828> Do they have a conflict of interest with the topic of the news item?
[13:27:13] <SoyGuest271828> Then you're in slightly better shape. Who owns and controls the media outlets you do use?
[13:22:07] <GrandFireWizard> but.. I don't use mainstream social media?
[13:21:46] <exec> └─ 13How fake accounts constantly manipulate what you see on social media – and what you can do about it
[13:21:44] <SoyGuest271828> =asub from the vet-your-sources dept https://theconversation.com
[13:18:37] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Credit Card Skimmers are Now Being Buried in Image File Metadata on E-commerce Websites" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:18:15] <systemd> Submitting "Credit card skimmers are now being buried in image file metadata on e-commerce websites"...
[13:18:13] <exec> └─ 13Credit card skimmers are now being buried in image file metadata on e-commerce websites | ZDNet
[13:18:11] <SoyGuest271828> =asub from the watch-what-you-look-at dept. https://www.zdnet.com
[13:17:25] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03More Than 75% of All Vulnerabilities Reside in Indirect Dependencies" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:17:22] <GrandFireWizard> ... now I need to read that
[13:17:04] <systemd> Submitting "More than 75% of all vulnerabilities reside in indirect dependencies"...
[13:17:01] <exec> └─ 13More than 75% of all vulnerabilities reside in indirect dependencies | ZDNet
[13:17:00] <SoyGuest271828> =asub from the always-roll-your-own dept. https://www.zdnet.com
[13:16:42] <GrandFireWizard> yes, the site is back up
[13:16:38] <GrandFireWizard> hmm
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[13:14:20] <GrandFireWizard> he ASP drink, we drink the pl drink, we sing the songs of the dotcom boom times, we sing the songs of the dotcom bust times, oh, cowboyneal boy, cowboyneal boy... the site got knocked down, but it got back up again, aint nothing ever gonna keep it down.. it got down, but it got back up again, nothing ever gonna keep it down
[13:14:20] <GrandFireWizard> you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, you got logged out, but you logged back in again, we're never gonna keep you off, phishing the night away, phishing the night away, we drink the PHP drink, we drink the Koolaid drink, we drink t
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[13:08:19] <GrandFireWizard> worken
[13:07:35] <Bytram> looks like I got logged out
[13:06:01] <GrandFireWizard> yay
[13:04:59] <acid_andy> woohoo we're back :)
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[13:02:09] <boru> That story is incredible. That is some serious volts.
[13:00:10] <Bytram> he was working out an IBM facility in England
[12:59:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 700-km Brazil 'Megaflash' Sets Lightning Record: UN - https://sylnt.us - lightning's-flashing-across-the-sky
[12:59:30] <Bytram> wow! I had it right, and then fixed it to be wrong :/
[12:58:54] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Mike Cowlishaw - Wikipedia
[12:58:54] <Bytram> =g Rexx cowlishaw
[12:58:38] * Bytram had many a conversation with Mike Colishaw (sp) who wrote the language back in the 80s
[12:57:45] <Bytram> boru: REXX was so much better than EXEC and EXEC2
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[12:54:40] <Bytram> I was consulting at a place and for whatever reason, they had settled on tcl/tk
[12:54:26] <boru> I've been considering bettering my Lua actually.
[12:54:07] <boru> I had a brief run in with rex as well.
[12:53:54] <boru> When Perl got expect, I never used tcl again.
[12:53:39] <FatPhil> <--- shared grief
[12:53:38] <Bytram> over the years I've probably used at least 30 different command scripting languages
[12:53:34] <boru> As was common in the world of FPGAs, a lot of test benches were written using tcl/expect.
[12:53:12] <boru> Unfortunately, yes.
[12:52:53] <Bytram> boru: ever try tcl/tk?
[12:52:36] <GrandFireWizard> eeep!
[12:52:26] <Bytram> yes, we know and it is being worked on atm; thanks for checking in!
[12:52:12] <boru> I'm a ksh93 guy, even still. I think bash is awful.
[12:52:03] <GrandFireWizard> You don't have permission to access / on this server.
[12:52:03] <GrandFireWizard> Forbidden
[12:52:01] <GrandFireWizard> hrk
[12:50:21] <Bytram> == syntax soup
[12:49:54] <Bytram> then add in a little bash a few years later
[12:49:26] <Bytram> I did a huge amount of shell scripting (mostly csh), back in the late 90s
[12:47:56] <Bytram> that was a quick peek!
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[12:46:58] <Bytram> yay!
[12:46:31] <FatPhil> yup
[12:46:08] <Bytram> is that: $(servers.sh)
[12:45:12] <Bytram> I want to use the *function* of back ticks, but with the alternate syntax that allows nesting of invocations of scripts
[12:44:59] <boru> Thank goodness. My copy of UPE is getting a bit battered from whalloping people with it.
[12:44:09] <Bytram> it is coming back to me
[12:44:03] <boru> That will pull in the definitions in servers.sh
[12:43:53] <Bytram> okaaay
[12:43:39] <boru> What I meant was that if you wanted to use `servers` in multiple scripts, then just have the list in servers.sh, and do: `source servers.sh; for s in $servers; do ... ; done`
[12:43:36] <Bytram> so, I would like to externalize the servers definition into a separate file: servers.sh
[12:42:59] <boru> Seems reasonable.
[12:42:43] <Bytram> PASTE_END
[12:42:37] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~/bin$
[12:42:37] <Bytram> for server in ${servers} ; do echo Accessing: ${server} && rsh ${server} /home/bob/bin/bounce ; done
[12:42:37] <Bytram> servers='hydrogen lithium fluorine'
[12:42:37] <Bytram> #!/bin/bash
[12:42:37] <Bytram> martyb@boron:~/bin$ cat bounce.sh
[12:42:33] <Bytram> PASTE_BEGIN
[12:42:25] <Bytram> here is an actual script:
[12:40:31] <boru> Alternatively, embrace unix philosophy and read them from `stdin` as BWK intended.
[12:39:19] <boru> Right, `servers.sh` contains `SERVERS="..."`
[12:38:13] <Bytram> cause I do that now, and I now server scripts which each have their own list of servers
[12:38:09] <boru> Yeah, in that case, I would have `SERVERS="server1 server2 server3"`, source that if you want to use it in more than one place, then `for s in $SERVERS; do ... ; done`
[12:37:27] <boru> Sorry, perhaps I am missing context, or because I hven't read the scrollback, why is there not just a server list in a variable?
[12:37:19] <Bytram> that way, I can *define* the server list in just one place, and refer to the servers consistently in many places
[12:36:18] <Bytram> yes, that is what servers.sh would output
[12:36:01] <Bytram> like using backticks, but those cannot be nested
[12:36:00] <boru> You'll want a space delimited string of the server names to do that.
[12:35:25] <Bytram> ????
[12:35:22] <Bytram> for server in $(servers.sh) ; do rsh ${server} ps -AF ; done
[12:34:45] <boru> `source file.sh` or `. file.sh` (I think this is valid in bash as well, but I have never used bash much)
[12:34:06] <boru> Source it?
[12:33:18] <Bytram> how can I invoke that in another bash program to get the list of servers to iterate through?
[12:32:34] * Bytram is rusty in his bash syntax; wanna had a program, "servers.sh" (which may take an arg) that simply output a blank-delimited list of server names, e.g.: aluminum beryllium boron helium
[12:31:26] <acid_andy> LOL yay for fireworks, so long as I'm not paying for 'em
[12:30:54] <FatPhil> They can be quite pretty when they fail though 8-)
[12:30:32] <FatPhil> yup. uptime(combo) = min(uptime(PC), MTBF(UPS))
[12:30:00] <Bytram> yep
[12:29:51] <acid_andy> Well I guess it's another link in the chain that can go wrong
[12:29:08] <FatPhil> UPSs cause more problems than they solve IMHO
[12:28:42] <acid_andy> It could be our electricity supply. Been meaning to get a power conditioner / UPS for some time but can't really justify the expense.
[12:27:48] <acid_andy> MTBF is claimed to be over 100k hours. 12 years is less than 4000 days and there's no way it was on even 10 hours a day. Way less.
[12:27:10] <acid_andy> Thinking about tearing it apart to look for an internal fuse, as it was working OK till I powered off.
[12:26:42] <Bytram> ouch!
[12:26:32] <acid_andy> It had just finished installing Linux and I was ready to try the first boot. Nothing. :(
[12:26:29] <Bytram> we needs moah powah
[12:26:24] <NotSanguine> My window fan did too, actually. Concidence? I think not.
[12:26:08] <Bytram> doing what I can, which at this point was to summon help from someone more knowledgeable than me
[12:25:54] <acid_andy> My 12 year old PSU died yesterday as well. Surely it can't be related.
[12:25:13] <NotSanguine> I see you're on it, bytram. Thanks!
[12:25:06] * Bytram pecks at keyboard with his nose
[12:24:38] * Bytram discovers that makes it exceedingly hard to type
[12:24:27] <acid_andy> :)
[12:24:16] * Bytram interlocks fingers of both hands as a workaround
[12:23:46] <acid_andy> Which is kinda hard to do, actually.
[12:23:39] <Bytram> likewise
[12:23:25] <acid_andy> Thanks. Crossing all my fingers.
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[12:22:31] <Bytram> FYI: buzz is looking at it now
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[12:02:37] * Bytram has summoned help
[11:57:26] <Bytram> server errors. :(
[11:56:09] <Bytram> No wonder they are taking so long... oxygen has been removed as a server
[11:55:44] <Bytram> doh!
[11:47:25] <Bytram> recording a few things with some previously-written scripts before I change anything
[11:46:47] <Bytram> I'm ssh'd to the servers and looking
[11:45:40] <FatPhil> is the API access here working?
[11:41:36] <FatPhil> quick things to check - partition full?
[11:40:51] <Bytram> More information about this error may be available in the server error log.
[11:40:51] <Bytram> Please contact the server administrator, admin@soylentnews.org and inform them of the time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that may have caused the error.
[11:40:51] <Bytram> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.
[11:40:51] <Bytram> Internal Server Error
[11:40:50] <Bytram> nope. I got it, too:
[11:39:51] <Teckla> Possibly just me?
[11:39:22] <Bytram> ruh roh!
[11:38:49] <Teckla> SoylentNews broken? Undergoing maintenance? Hit by gamma rays?
[11:34:46] <Bytram> Thank you!
[11:34:10] <Bytram> "click"
[11:33:41] <exec> └─ 13Pale Moon - Add-ons - Dismiss The Overlay
[11:33:41] <exec> ├─ 13GitHub - JustOff/dismiss-the-overlay: Dismiss The Overlay
[11:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03Pale Moon - Add-ons - Dismiss The Overlay
[11:33:40] <systemd> ^ 03JustOff/dismiss-the-overlay
[11:33:38] <inz> https://github.com / https://addons.palemoon.org
[11:30:51] <Bytram> Oh? Neat! Linky?
[11:30:23] <inz> Bytram, "dismiss the overlay" is an extension for palemoon
[11:29:35] <Bytram> inz: FatPhil: "Dismiss the overlay hint"? What is that and how would I do it?
[11:25:50] <inz> FatPhil, I don't think I yet thanked you enough for the "dismiss the overlay" hint, it is really awesome
[11:18:55] <systemd> ^ 03BBC Four - Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History
[11:18:54] <exec> └─ 13BBC Four - Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History
[11:18:52] <FatPhil> And in case you're wondering how I know so much about US media, I learnt that from this: https://www.bbc.co.uk
[11:03:36] <exec> └─ 13The Sun (New York City) - Wikipedia
[11:03:36] <systemd> ^ 03The Sun (New York City) - Wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org(New_York) )
[11:03:35] <FatPhil> https://en.wikipedia.org(New_York)#Milestones
[10:54:33] <FatPhil> fake news is over 100 years old - if you look at the invention of the tabloid there was so much bullshit way back.
[10:50:07] <chromas> Fake moos?
[10:37:36] <boru> I wonder if historians will think headlines in 2020 were very bizarre.
[10:27:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Representative Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) Can't Sue Twitter Over Statements by Fake Cow, Judge Rules - https://sylnt.us - don't-have-a-cow,-man.
[09:53:11] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5281
[09:53:11] <Bytram> coffee++
[08:07:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Countries Agree on Regulations for Automated Driving - https://sylnt.us - Tesla-"Autopilot"-is-"Level-2"
[06:37:22] <FatPhil> click click
[06:37:19] <FatPhil> Brazilian fart fetish porn
[06:32:58] <chromas> I_understood_that_reference.mp4
[06:28:50] <FatPhil> It was a scary ghost - that's ectoplasm
[06:01:13] <chromas> "f you read the actual court filing it literally says that one of the issues was that he ejaculated on his PC, causing an electrical fire while left his apartment temporarily without power."
[06:01:10] <chromas> I was just reading comments about that
[05:56:24] <GrandFireWizard> It must be a hard life for him.
[05:56:20] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Twitch: Sex Addict Claims Hot Female Gamers Caused Him to Injure His Penis" (15 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:56:00] <exec> └─ 13Twitch: Sex addict claims hot female gamers caused him to injure his penis
[05:55:58] <systemd> Submitting "Twitch: Sex addict claims hot female gamers caused him to injure his penis"...
[05:55:56] <GrandFireWizard> =submit https://www.news.com.au
[05:55:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Maps and Website Give Fresh Insights into NZ Continent - https://sylnt.us - a-peek-under-the-covers
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