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[01:13:47] <Bytram> ~translate Вчера утром наш миссисипский аллигатор Сатурн умер от старости. Ему было около 84 лет – крайне почтенный возраст. Московскому зоопарку выпала честь содержать Сатурна 74 года. Он видел многих из нас детьми. Надеемся, что мы его не разочаро
[01:13:49] <Bytram> вали.
[01:17:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ransomware Deploys Virtual Machines to Hide Itself from Antivirus Software - https://sylnt.us - virtual-infection
[01:24:03] <AzumaHazuki> ...that's so meta, wow
[01:24:22] <AzumaHazuki> just, uh...if it's in VM how does it screw up the containing system?
[01:25:24] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: direct links to the drives
[01:25:54] <Bytram> the linked article goes into some detail
[01:25:54] <AzumaHazuki> good grief @_@
[01:26:19] <Bytram> I am *not* going to try and kick your football!
[01:42:59] <chromas> Makes sense. If VMs work for vidya game DRM then why not use it for other malware?
[01:44:38] <Bytram> and the 'signature' of the virus -- while in the vm -- does not look like what the AV software is looking for, so it continues unimpeded
[01:45:16] <Deucalion> VM escaping their sandbox is not uncommon. Process in the VM exploits some vuln in the VM hypervisor software to get out to the host OS or system - then uses native host OS / system weaknesses to exploit that. We're past the point of "just chuck it in a VM to be safe" now. The more hoops a piece of badware has to negotiate to do its deeds the less likely that path has been automated and can be bought on script kiddie markets. As ever - VMs on
[01:45:17] <Deucalion> your personal PC that has ~myprivate stuff~ - fine for running up a VM to try out a new OS install from reputable source. Don't think a VM will protect you from dirty bastards though. If you want to mess with dodgy stuff - put it on another PC / server, on at the very least another VLAN on your network - do not put it on the same subnet and vlan as your ~mypersonalstuff~ systems. Physically separate the networks if you want to explore how
[01:45:17] <Deucalion> badware works.
[01:46:30] <Deucalion> A lot of badware is able to detect if it is in a VM and does not do anything there or pretends to be something else.
[01:46:35] <Deucalion> End of days :(
[01:47:09] <Deucalion> This is why we cannot have good things.... bastard humans... greedy and lazy.
[01:47:09] <AzumaHazuki> so my paranoia is justified then
[01:47:21] <Deucalion> Always AzumaHazuki
[01:47:34] <AzumaHazuki> my parents should have named me Cassandra
[01:47:46] <Deucalion> What did they name you?
[01:47:50] <AzumaHazuki> Marissa
[01:48:33] <Deucalion> Well you got the double S I guess :D
[01:48:56] <Bytram> Deucalion: so, just make your regular environment *appear* like it is a vm, and the malware will lie dormant? =)
[01:49:10] <AzumaHazuki> kind of misses the theme, though. since i keep going "never trust anyone, X Y and Z will happen because of A B and C" and no one listens
[01:49:23] <AzumaHazuki> then when XYZ happens because of A B and C they act all surprised
[01:50:13] <Deucalion> Bytram, that is not a bad thought. Install your base OS, then install your general use OS in a VM atop that. The two OS could be the same.
[01:50:50] <Bytram> =)
[01:51:02] <Deucalion> For anything that needs direct GPU access like games you'd put that in the base OS - but that's not sensitive area
[01:51:06] <AzumaHazuki> i've actually done that for people: a very slim Linux install that autostarts Win7 in VM
[01:51:29] <Deucalion> I believe this is what Tails tries to achieve
[01:51:50] * Bytram spent a few years testing IBM's VM operating system... in the early 1980s
[01:52:13] <AzumaHazuki> OS/360?
[01:52:14] * Bytram may have picked up a few ideas back then
[01:52:47] <chromas> PCI passthrough is a thing now
[01:53:03] * Bytram recalls it was variously: VM/370, VM/SP, VM/SP HPO
[01:53:09] <Deucalion> Bytram, it's IT.. what was old is new again with a new name. Marketing and Sales ftw! Keep selling the customer the same thing in cycles. :D Nothing changes but the seasons.
[01:53:15] <chromas> You can pass your graphics card into the vm, and leave the malware outside the vm. haha!
[01:53:40] <AzumaHazuki> that requires VT-d or the AMD equivalent, a spare GPU, and some pcistub driver voodoo, iirc
[01:54:29] <Bytram> Deucalion: big iron and dumb(ish) terminals --> distributed computing --> client server --> cloud computing... am I doing this right?
[01:54:31] <chromas> Sure but once it's set up you only need the one gpu. Treat the host like it's headless
[01:54:49] <Bytram> =g headless horseman
[01:54:50] <systemd> https://headlesshorseman.com - Headless Horseman Hayrides and Haunted Houses in New York
[01:54:57] <Bytram> =g headless horseman book
[01:54:58] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org(novel) - The Headless Horseman (novel) - Wikipedia
[01:55:21] <chromas> Did Office 36—I mean OS/360 have serverless cloudscale?
[01:56:32] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org(Legend_of_Sleepy_Hollow)
[01:56:33] <systemd> ^ 03Headless Horseman - Wikipedia
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[01:57:22] <Bytram> chromas: don't know about *that* but...
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[01:57:56] <Bytram> I do recall running a VM in a VM (that was *common*) and...
[01:59:16] <Bytram> running a VM in a VM in a VM, and single-stepping through instructions on the hardware to follow along in each of the VMs to verify certain performance optimizations were correctly implemented.
[01:59:33] <Bytram> =g PTLB
[01:59:34] <systemd> http://www.ptlb.com - Principles To Live By | Life Is Relationships
[01:59:38] <Bytram> lol
[01:59:44] <Bytram> =g PTLB page
[01:59:45] <systemd> https://envytools.readthedocs.io - Code virtual memory — envytools git documentation
[02:00:06] <Bytram> =g PTLB page table lookaside buffer
[02:00:06] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Translation lookaside buffer - Wikipedia
[02:01:25] <Bytram> now, minf you, all the memory addresses were virtualized at each level, too... so I had to do the address translations *by* *hand* to verify correct operation
[02:02:35] <Bytram> oh, and there was no fancy IDE, either, so it was all from reading hex digits in memory and reading/translating machine code instructions, too!
[02:04:52] <Bytram> break time
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[02:14:26] <Deucalion> Bytram, you are doing it right - we went from dumb terminals connected to powerful mainframes, to processing moved to the client for PC with the server acting as the core, to what we have now with complete OS virtualisation in the cloud - so you just need a web browser to serve up your work PC from anywhere. It's intrinsically all time share computing. Your corp data on someone else's servers unless you self host the infra. "Cloud" is nothing
[02:14:26] <Deucalion> new it's just a marketing term. The nice thing about using "Cloud" providers is that you can spin up and down servers at will, expand their storage / RAM / net bandwidth etc without taking them down. Move them from one physical server to another without downtime so physical maintenance is a breeze. The plus is in the orchestration. In IBM days you had one godly mainframe that may not go down, ever - hence why mainframes of that era could be
[02:14:27] <Deucalion> physically maintained without a power down. They were brutally expensive. Now we have thousands of commodity hardware servers running virtualisation software in equal peer clusters such that it doesn't really matter if an individual physical server dies. It just drops out of the cluster, the workload automagically carries on within the remainder servers in the cluster until such time as you can get a grunt to go out and do hardware fix magic.
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[02:19:05] <Fnord666> s/cloud/someone else's computer/
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[02:31:53] <Bytram> =g DMCA
[02:31:54] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Digital Millennium Copyright Act - Wikipedia
[02:36:46] <Bytram> =g nonstop compters
[02:36:47] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org(server_computers) - NonStop (server computers) - Wikipedia
[02:38:04] <Bytram> =g nonstop computers stratus
[02:38:05] <systemd> https://www.nytimes.com - STRATUS'S NONSTOP COMPUTERS - The New York Times
[02:38:17] <Bytram> hah!
[02:42:40] <Bytram> Deucalion: Yes, I also did a sting at Stratus Computer... pretty wild to see a running computer, and the sales guy just pull a processor card out of the back plane, looks at it, and puts it back in... without a hiccup. And then repeats with ethernet cards, power supplies... *everything* was redundant and could be pulled and restored with absolutely no special preparation or precautions. I want to say this was in the early-to-mod 90s.
[02:45:06] <Bytram> =g stratus computer
[02:45:07] <systemd> https://www.stratus.com - Stratus Technologies | We Prevent Applications from Failure
[02:45:21] <Bytram> =g stratus computer wikipedia
[02:45:22] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Stratus Technologies - Wikipedia
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[03:36:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Riding the State Unemployment Fraud 'Wave' - https://sylnt.us - Scammers-gonna-scam
[03:44:34] <Deucalion> <Bytram> Deucalion: Yes, I also did a sting at Stratus Computer... pretty wild to see a running computer, and the sales guy just pull a processor card out of the back plane, looks at it, and puts it back in... without a hiccup. And then repeats with ethernet cards, power supplies... *everything* was redundant and could be pulled and restored with absolutely no special preparation or precautions. I want to say this was in the early-to-mod 90s.
[03:44:34] <Deucalion> Try that with a current commodity racked server...... bad. Even HP servers from 15yrs ago you could hotswap RAM, fans, PSU. Now, not so much, other than redundant PSU it's power off to change out anything. That's fine as the one box is not mission critical everything is clustered.
[04:42:22] <GrandFireWizard> =submit https://www.news.com.au
[04:42:25] <systemd> Submitting "Turkish troops invade Greece and occupy small patch of land near border"...
[04:42:46] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Turkish Troops Invade Greece and Occupy Small Patch of Land Near Border" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:42:50] <GrandFireWizard> let's invade another country while the world is in the grip of a war against a deadly virus?
[04:44:12] <GrandFireWizard> Okay. I'll ask. What exactly is aristarchus's deal?
[04:47:39] <GrandFireWizard> SBS Viceland are playing The Fifth Element five times today from 12:00 midday to past 12:00 mightnight. So awesome.
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[05:26:58] <SoyCow2736> =asub https://www.engadget.com
[05:27:00] <systemd> Submitting "Google is working on end-to-end encryption for RCS texts in Messages"...
[05:27:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Google is Working on End-to-end Encryption for RCS Texts in Messages" (2 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:28:01] <SoyCow2736> =asub https://techcrunch.com
[05:28:02] <systemd> Submitting "Hackers release a new jailbreak that unlocks every iPhone – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; https://social.techcrunch.com )
[05:28:24] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Hackers Release a New Jailbreak That Unlocks Every iPhone – TechCrunch" (8 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:35:33] <SoyCow2736> =asub expands on previous story https://techcrunch.com
[05:35:34] <systemd> Submitting "The FBI is mad because it keeps getting into locked iPhones without Apple’s help – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; https://social.techcrunch.com )
[05:35:56] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "03the FBI is Mad Because It Keeps Getting Into Locked iPhones Without Apple’s Help – TechCrunch" (19 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[05:41:21] <GrandFireWizard> I've changed my mind about Firefox's built in Take a Screenshot function. It's actually really useful for capturing an entire web page into an image. I used to print to PDF, but that can be hit or miss. It's actually useful.
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[05:44:45] <GrandFireWizard> Re: HEIC - Why did Apple switch to default saving of files in a format for which is not yet widely supported?
[05:45:11] <GrandFireWizard> Is that any different from OpenOffice not saving in native Windows formats without a warning?
[05:56:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Huawei to be Phased Out of UK 5G Networks - https://sylnt.us - Set-phasers-to-stun
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[07:39:18] <chromas> It's different because Windows formats aren't standards and also they suck
[07:39:28] <chromas> Also people still use OpenOffice?
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[07:44:45] <chromas> Getting kinda fishy in here
[08:17:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Solitaire Turns 30 Years Old Today and Still Has 35 Million Monthly Players - https://sylnt.us - pick-a-card
[09:40:59] <GrandFireWizard> Historically, that happened.
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[10:35:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Lawyer Sues "YTS" Torrent Sites for Trademark Infringement - https://sylnt.us
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[11:16:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:16:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5232
[11:20:13] <Bytram> GrandFireWizard: Alt+PrtScn
[11:20:24] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:20:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5233
[11:20:31] <Bytram> ~gnu TheMightyBuzzard
[11:20:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[11:20:42] <Bytram> =gnu TheMightyBuzzard
[11:20:42] * systemd derisively hurls the last copy of activex plugins at TheMightyBuzzard
[11:21:01] <Bytram> ~blame
[11:21:10] <Bytram> See! It wasn't *me*!
[11:21:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake exec
[11:21:20] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a UNIX manual
[11:21:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> =gday Bytram
[11:21:30] * systemd tragically postulates a Turbo Envabulator of buttermilk biscuits towards Bytram
[11:21:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> you win
[11:22:38] <Bytram> Anybody got some ketchup? (5 internet points if you can name the movie)
[11:22:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> =blame
[11:22:48] * systemd points at Bytram
[11:22:59] <Bytram> Yays!
[11:23:37] <Bytram> #weather TheMightyBuzzard
[11:23:38] <MrPlow> 1576 East Main St, Humboldt, TN 38343, USA - Today: "Possible light rain in the morning." 84/66F, Humidity: 91%, Precip: 78%, Wind ~6mph. Mon: "Rain in the evening and overnight." 87/67F, Humidity: 89%, Precip: 74%, Wind ~6mph. Tue: "Humid and partly cloudy throughout the day." 82/67F, Humidity: 85%, Precip: 39%, Wind ~8mph.
[11:23:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[11:23:56] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 774
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[11:24:33] <Bytram> Looks like you might get some fishing in this evening or tomorrow am
[11:25:23] <Bytram> =g live HTTP headers addon
[11:25:23] <systemd> https://chrome.google.com - Live HTTP Headers
[11:25:38] <Bytram> =g live HTTP headers addon mozilla
[11:25:39] <systemd> https://addons.mozilla.org - HTTP Header Live – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)
[11:32:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> be nice but if i have the energy to fish this evening it's because i didn't get enough church work done today
[11:39:51] <Bytram> whatcha plannin on doin?
[11:40:42] <Bytram> Oops! gtg. back in a while
[11:40:58] <Bytram> good luck on your construction efforts!
[12:22:08] * nutherguy thinks about hooking up the trailer and going across the river
[12:22:34] <nutherguy> need to build a pen for these puppies so they can get outside
[12:23:20] <nutherguy> The whole county seems to be polluted with parvo virus, and I"m pretty sure that what got my Rag dog.
[12:24:37] <nutherguy> For those who may be interested, I have two rag puppies left, they are both fat happy healthy little girls
[13:06:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Berlin WW2 Bombing Survivor Saturn the Alligator Dies in Moscow Zoo at Age 84-ish - https://sylnt.us - apex.predator
[15:28:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CASIO Hits Calculator Hacker with DMCA - https://sylnt.us - I-refer-you-to-the-response-given-in-Arkell-v.-Pressdram
[15:29:57] <FatPhil> US-ians, a language question: why do you call the straights on a racing circuits "straightaways"? seems unnecessarily wordy.
[15:49:51] <Bytram> FatPhil Never thought about it before -- no idea, offhand, but maybe try: etymonline.com
[15:51:58] <FatPhil> several sources imply that "straight" is perfectly understandable to yanks, which makes it even more bizarre.
[15:52:42] <FatPhil> etymonline doesn't even list it as a word!
[15:59:09] <Bytram> lol
[16:00:45] <Bytram> fwiw, upon reflection, I've heard "go down the straight" and "do something straightaway" more than I recall hearing "go down the straightaway"
[16:01:04] <Bytram> =g straightaway
[16:01:05] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Straightaway | Definition of Straightaway by Merriam-Webster
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[16:03:12] <Bytram> =g straightaway etymology
[16:03:13] <systemd> https://www.merriam-webster.com - Straightaway | Definition of Straightaway by Merriam-Webster
[16:03:29] <Bytram> =g straightaway etymology -Merriam-Webster
[16:03:29] <systemd> https://www.dictionary.com - Straightaway | Definition of Straightaway at Dictionary.com
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[16:06:21] <Bytram> =g straightaway etymology -Merriam-Webster -dictionary.com
[16:06:22] <systemd> https://notoneoffbritishisms.com - “Straightaway” | Not One-Off Britishisms
[16:10:41] <Bytram> =g straightaway etymology -Merriam-Webster -dictionary.com -notoneoff
[16:10:42] <systemd> https://notoneoffbritishisms.com - “Straightaway” | Not One-Off Britishisms
[16:10:48] <Bytram> =g straightaway etymology -Merriam-Webster -dictionary.com -notoneoffbritishisms
[16:10:49] <systemd> https://en.wiktionary.org - straightaway - Wiktionary
[16:21:22] <Bytram> FatPhil: Upon further pondering, it seems like a great question to pose in your journal!
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[17:24:59] <FatPhil> the not-formula-1 esport substitute that we have chosen to follow whilst actual F1 is down just did some proper races (with corners! going both ways!) and then a mini indy-500 (20 mins long), and the oval racing was quite simply the most boring sporting event I have ever witnessed. More excitement in every single lap of the proper racing than in the whole godforsaken oval race.
[17:25:52] <FatPhil> button tucks in behind alonso, button overtakes alonso, alonso tucks in behind button, alonso overtakes button, button tucks in behind alonso, button overtakes alonso, alonso tucks in behind button, alonso overtakes button, button tucks in behind alonso, button overtakes alonso, alonso tucks in behind button, alonso overtakes button, button tucks in behind alonso, button overtakes alonso, alonso tucks in
[17:25:58] <FatPhil> behind button, alonso overtakes button.
[17:26:30] <FatPhil> Decoding the post-race interview, i think button basically called it mind-numbing.
[17:28:55] <Bytram> FatPhil: what are "button tucks"?
[17:29:02] <Bytram> ;)
[17:29:26] <Bytram> capitalization++
[17:29:26] <Bender> karma - capitalization: 1
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[17:31:07] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[17:31:13] <driveby> https://archive.4plebs.org
[17:31:14] <systemd> ^ 03/pol/ - Politically Incorrect » Thread #258506943
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[17:47:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Acquires Rivet, Maker of "Killer" Wireless-AC Gaming Wi-Fi Gear - https://sylnt.us
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[20:16:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Technologies Could Help Europe Get a Taste for Insects - https://sylnt.us - Soylent-Crunch!
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[20:19:17] <szopin> yo, who's the admin@soylentnews.org?
[20:19:29] <FatPhil> we are legion
[20:19:59] <szopin> oh nvm my post cam through after 5th retry??? SN is just as censorious as google
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[20:55:00] <AzumaHazuki> szopin is a fucking moron. just so you know
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[21:07:48] <FatPhil> was on my /ignore list, but irssi's got its knickers in a twist and seems to have forgotten such things.
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[21:27:07] <szopin> yo btw khaleed and arik, how the fuck did you find my journal as it's below karma level to show up on the right?
[21:27:17] <szopin> khallow*
[21:28:26] <szopin> thought I'd ask here without spamming my journal, but they're not here I guess :(
[21:29:08] <szopin> btw TBM you still owe me that point score to comment score matrix
[21:29:28] <szopin> tmb*
[21:30:31] <szopin> (hopefully with a key to weed out those who pay for influence, pretty sure gateses and others paid for the privilege)
[21:36:13] <FatPhil> Most Recent Journal Entries
[21:36:15] <FatPhil> [szopin] How I almost got hounded off SN by the screeching of...
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[21:51:44] <szopin> probably didn't miss too much, comment hiding is weird
[21:52:18] <szopin> this desktop version of firefox should keep me alive though, so god bless, or dammit as you will
[21:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> szopin, there is no such matrix. the two are only vaguely related since the user can set a million and one karma settings up
[21:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[21:58:25] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 775
[21:58:29] <szopin> can you send me what is insightful what is spam etc then?
[21:58:50] <szopin> ok I'll have one too you cancerwhore
[22:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, that's what you were wanting!
[22:03:01] <szopin> yeah man, asked you for it like half a year ago
[22:03:04] <szopin> lol
[22:03:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> modreasons table
[22:03:30] <szopin> pls share, don't have the access to drop that table myself
[22:04:17] <szopin> i want to add scores (numerical) first then maybe commenting but doubt I can do it right now
[22:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> roger. i can live patch the API stuff in the morning. actually have some free time.
[22:04:38] <szopin> cool
[22:04:55] <szopin> btw your journal api ignores karma right?
[22:05:55] <szopin> the cool thing in my app is you see all comments, just went in new browser and holy shiet half of commenting on my shitpost journal is hidden
[22:05:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> journal bit of the api should just be for pulling journals not comments
[22:06:02] <szopin> you guys love censorship
[22:06:31] <szopin> my app is censorship free, hope journals will end up the same
[22:06:58] <szopin> ok so same comment api so without censorship kewl
[22:07:41] <szopin> btw 172 downloads from the non official store (with 24-30 of them probably scraped)
[22:07:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> no i mean the comments endpoint of the api has nothing to do with the journal bit of the api, that just pulls tfj
[22:08:00] <szopin> and around <100 from official
[22:08:24] <szopin> did you get a few percent increase in chinese readership?
[22:08:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea. we don't even log that.
[22:08:54] <szopin> oh lol
[22:09:21] <szopin> I loved to see where my app lands around the world for the first few weekd
[22:09:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you mean is there a way in the api to ignore moderations from some or all people, no. can't be because of the way we calculate comment scores.
[22:10:33] <szopin> I know you get paid to bump scores is all I know
[22:10:49] <szopin> jk, of course it's better than ads
[22:10:56] <szopin> or is it
[22:11:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, i get a 50% bonus if we have N +5 comments a week
[22:11:26] <szopin> ????????????????
[22:11:32] <szopin> that's a joke right?
[22:11:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, $0 + 50%...
[22:12:02] <szopin> are you serious?
[22:12:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i get paid zero dollars. and get 50% of zero dollars as a bonus.
[22:12:23] <szopin> you just need 1 cent from 50cent 10cent
[22:12:27] <szopin> to make it worthwhile
[22:12:56] <szopin> or did you just make a jannie joke
[22:13:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> thas a math joke, yup
[22:13:05] <szopin> while not even being a jannie
[22:13:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> cause 50% of 0 is 0
[22:13:26] <szopin> you're the guy who hires jannies lol and still 0
[22:13:35] <szopin> the new normal
[22:14:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i dunno why but i'm in dire need of caffeine. trying to fall asleep in my chair here.
[22:14:26] <szopin> drink up, I'll be here all week
[22:14:31] <szopin> jk
[22:14:36] <szopin> stop worrying
[22:15:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i'm not worried, if i fall asleep i fall asleep. i consider naps to be one of the greatest things ever.
[22:15:31] <szopin> this is a man who is not afraid of dying, just a longer nap
[22:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. fear's for people who aren't too lazy to do all that worrying
[22:16:26] <szopin> yarring is classit tho
[22:16:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, i know. i haven't eaten anything today and did lots of work.
[22:16:44] <szopin> pirato-supremacists
[22:17:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can haz cheezeburger
[22:17:21] <szopin> ok, but just one
[22:17:31] <szopin> mind your sugar levels
[22:18:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'no carbs to speak of in meat or cheese
[22:18:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if i could just figure out how to make a bun out of bacon
[22:19:01] <szopin> btw not sure if you've seen my journal post, but one AC didn't get it and another set it to isightful?
[22:19:21] <szopin> just put bacon around whatever you would in a sandwich
[22:20:49] <szopin> So, a bunch of people disagreed with you on the Internet. Grow up and get used to it, snowflake.
[22:21:11] <szopin> whoever posted that pls stand up it's perfect
[22:22:43] <szopin> i mean it's too perfect
[22:22:58] <szopin> like: just walk away from the monitor nigga perfect
[22:30:33] <szopin> holy shit even replying in that censorious state is weird, you reply, submit, your answer is below threshold, this is 2020 UI that doesn't want you to see biden results
[22:31:22] <szopin> listen jack, lets just hide weird quotes from our guy, ok,
[22:34:07] <szopin> btw guys if you have any idea how to make app users more aware of the websites real financial success or fail, let me know, just not like the owner who thought having a big button to click before launching the app is a great idea
[22:35:09] <szopin> just a bit of subtlety will go a long way
[22:36:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wanna Force Granny to Take Down that Family Photo from the Internet? Europe's GDPR to the Rescue! - https://sylnt.us - pics-or-it-didn't-happen?
[22:37:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, food's ready. gonna go eat and watch tv n prolly fall asleep on the couch
[22:38:36] <szopin> TMB: any ideas on how to steer app users towards patreon/paypal/etc?
[22:38:57] <szopin> without offering powerusing as you do here?
[22:39:30] <AzumaHazuki> dude. take your quetiapine and chill
[22:39:53] <Bytram> szopin: What in $diety's name are you going on about?
[22:40:26] <AzumaHazuki> he thinks he's being censored
[22:40:30] <szopin> Bytram: monetization of SN sucks balls
[22:40:45] <Bytram> there are no illuniali or secret mods or sooper secret stuff here
[22:40:48] <szopin> AzumaHazuki: hello, please don't put words in my mouth
[22:41:00] <Bytram> what monetization?
[22:41:01] <szopin> as usual
[22:41:01] <AzumaHazuki> i didn't. i made fun of the ones that came out of it :D
[22:41:16] <szopin> Bytram: pay to get your comments upvoted by start
[22:41:20] <AzumaHazuki> you're a paranoid mess, possibly an actual schizophrenic
[22:41:24] <szopin> it's worse than reddit
[22:41:48] <szopin> AzumaHazuki: thank you for your doctor opinion but you're not a doctor so fuck off
[22:42:09] <AzumaHazuki> you don't need to be a zoologist to know bullshit when you see it, pal :)
[22:42:28] <szopin> but you aren't so pls fuck off to your corner
[22:42:33] <AzumaHazuki> no :)
[22:42:37] <AzumaHazuki> make me, dicky-weed
[22:43:02] <szopin> Bytram: do you see no issue with sn monetization?
[22:43:14] <Bytram> szopin: there is absolutely NO preferential treatment of any kind; the only "payment" we accept is for subscriptions and, subscriber or no, it makes no difference in how staff treats the communnty
[22:43:38] <szopin> Bytram: except posts by paid users get extra point
[22:43:50] <szopin> so start better off from start
[22:43:55] <Bytram> we DO have bills to pay for the servers, taxes, CPA, and that is what the subscriptions are for
[22:44:05] <szopin> do you need AC posts analysis vs 'updoots'?
[22:44:15] <szopin> yes you do ave bills
[22:44:31] <szopin> is providing pseudo powertrip the way to pay for them tho?
[22:44:37] <Bytram> "posts by paid users get extra point" -- Nope, NOT AT ALL!
[22:44:44] <szopin> yes they do
[22:44:53] <szopin> normal users get 1, paid get 2
[22:44:56] <szopin> ac gets 0
[22:45:06] <szopin> just go into comments
[22:45:30] <Bytram> all a subscription gets you is a shiny star next to your name, and reduced retrictions on how soon a comment can be made after the last comment was posted
[22:45:42] <Bytram> you are confusing Karma with subscribing
[22:45:44] <szopin> except it also starts at 2
[22:45:57] <szopin> vs normal user with positive karma that starts at 1
[22:46:00] <Bytram> karma is a result of moderations made to your comments.
[22:46:01] <szopin> vs ac at 0
[22:46:28] <szopin> Bytram: i think you don't know how your system works
[22:46:36] <Bytram> ACs post at 0, registered users at 1 or 2
[22:46:51] <szopin> i've played a bit with the api and you literally get +1 for subbing, ask tmb
[22:47:22] <szopin> it's literally p2w
[22:47:26] <Bytram> spew enough crap to get downmodded enough, you'll get blocked from moderating and, eventually, from postig comments until a timeout period has passed (IIRC)
[22:47:49] <szopin> pls ask tmb as you are not aware subbers get a +1 bonus
[22:47:57] <szopin> on all postst and comments
[22:48:33] <Bytram> szopin: Nope. Subscribing gets ABSOLUTELY NO POINT BONUS.
[22:48:39] <szopin> it's so backwards today
[22:48:46] <szopin> yes it does, ask tmb
[22:48:54] <szopin> please before you shout at me
[22:49:08] <szopin> he will confirm this is why some start at +2
[22:49:13] <szopin> paid plus karma
[22:49:16] <Bytram> szopin: I tested the code that does comment moderation. =)
[22:49:29] <szopin> and you missed the whale
[22:49:36] <szopin> or didn't want to investigate it
[22:49:37] <szopin> ask tmb
[22:49:50] <szopin> he explained it to me right here lol
[22:49:56] <szopin> just like 5 months ago
[22:50:15] <szopin> you pay for extra points
[22:50:15] <Bytram> tell ya what, I'll make it easy on you. All the code is up on github. Feel free to take a look! Give me a moment to find a link
[22:50:40] <szopin> TheMightyBuzzard: do subscribers not get a +1????
[22:51:01] <szopin> pls explain this to bytram who thinks he didn't pay to win
[22:51:41] <Bytram> szopin: https://github.com
[22:51:42] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews/slashcode
[22:52:10] <szopin> thanks for the link, i've discussed exactly how comments get their value with tmb tho
[22:52:22] <szopin> so you can trawl through the code to prove otherwise
[22:52:37] <szopin> you actually paid for extra point
[22:52:45] <szopin> s and are unaware
[22:52:46] <Bytram> Subscribers do NOT get a point bonus when posting comments
[22:52:52] <szopin> yes they do
[22:53:29] <szopin> explain guys whose comments start at 2?
[22:53:53] <Bytram> szopin: Your current karma is at: 12
[22:54:07] <szopin> and?
[22:54:17] <szopin> I lack the knowledge of 1337 karma?
[22:54:36] <szopin> or am I the only one that provides explanation why some people start at 2?
[22:54:49] <szopin> while you keep denying it
[22:54:50] <Bytram> those whose karma is something ike or 30 or 40 (I don't recall the exact number) as a result of positive moderations are given an option to post commentns at 2 instead o1
[22:55:19] <szopin> bs
[22:55:23] <AzumaHazuki> you're a paranoid fucking wombat, szopin, that's your issue. the code is right there. high karma gets you a further +1 by default
[22:55:25] <szopin> show it in the code then
[22:55:37] <szopin> AzumaHazuki: fuck off as usual
[22:55:38] <Bytram> szopin: there, I just gave you 1 day's free subscription
[22:55:42] <AzumaHazuki> do we need to print you out the code, tie you into a chair Clockwork Orange style, and read it to you?
[22:56:04] <AzumaHazuki> and no, i won't fuck off. you're nuttier than a mason jar of pickled squirrel testicles
[22:56:09] <szopin> show the fucking code for 30-40ish karma rule
[22:56:22] <szopin> or wait for tmb to come back and confirm that subs buy points
[22:56:32] <szopin> azuma as usual fuck off
[22:56:37] <Bytram> szopin: so, if being a subscriber gives extra benefit, as you claimed, I expect to see your comments now appearing at a higher initial value. go ahead and prove me wrong.
[22:57:00] <szopin> Bytram: not a subscriber, not an idiot
[22:57:04] <szopin> sorry
[22:57:23] <Bytram> ^^^^ scroll back ^^^ szopin: there, I just gave you 1 day's free subscription
[22:57:40] <szopin> ok, what should I comment and where then
[22:57:51] <Bytram> your comment your choice
[22:57:58] <szopin> brb
[22:58:07] <AzumaHazuki> kiss the entire unabridged compendium of my ass from table of contents to appendix, szopin :D
[22:58:37] <Bytram> szopin: I can see your comment history, so I'll tell YOU what the comment is, how about that?
[22:59:40] <Bytram> correction, just like any other user I can see all comments that are posted.
[23:00:40] <AzumaHazuki> butbutbut you might be manipulating the score of that specific comment to make him THINK you were telling the truth!!!1111one
[23:00:46] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[23:00:47] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Wanna Force Granny to Take Down that Family Photo from the Internet? Europe's GDPR to the Rescue!
[23:00:49] <szopin> https://soylentnews.org
[23:00:50] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Wanna Force Granny to Take Down that Family Photo from the Internet? Europe's GDPR to the Rescue! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[23:00:56] <Bytram> initial score: 1
[23:01:05] <Bytram> szopin: ^^^
[23:01:05] <szopin> shows as 1, but don't see any info as getting subbed
[23:01:22] <szopin> probably didn't go through, literally ask tmb
[23:01:37] <Bytram> look at the comment you posted: https://soylentnews.org
[23:01:38] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Wanna Force Granny to Take Down that Family Photo from the Internet? Europe's GDPR to the Rescue!
[23:01:40] <szopin> he told me that multiple times that sub is taken into account
[23:01:59] <szopin> yes and I don't see me being a subscriber/payer whatevr
[23:02:00] <Bytram> by szopin (5710) Subscriber Badge Neutral on
[23:02:05] <szopin> didn't go through dude
[23:02:50] <Bytram> see that text? there is a star next to your UID of (5710) and before the smily face: https://soylentnews.org
[23:02:51] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | Wanna Force Granny to Take Down that Family Photo from the Internet? Europe's GDPR to the Rescue! ( https://soylentnews.org )
[23:03:11] <Bytram> that star means you are a subscriber
[23:03:16] <szopin> Bytram: see that I didn't get any thank you email or page from sn?
[23:03:37] <szopin> different systems proceed at different pace
[23:03:38] <Bytram> because I *granted* you a 1 day subscription
[23:03:53] <szopin> thanks, nah not literally
[23:04:00] <Bytram> so look at your comment and see the star in the header
[23:04:16] <szopin> but it still proves shit, can you literally wait 5mins for tmb to come back?
[23:04:45] <szopin> he will explain to you what he did to me, subs get +1 on comments posts etc
[23:04:49] <szopin> simple as
[23:05:46] <szopin> that's where you get guys with posts starting at 2, plenty of them as the users are a small bunch, but you prefer to close your eyes
[23:06:06] <AzumaHazuki> so why are mine at +2 when i was subbed and when i wasn't subbed? Oh, i know, karma constantly at 50 or high 40s
[23:06:23] <szopin> fuck off azuma
[23:06:37] <AzumaHazuki> no :)
[23:06:48] <szopin> you're literally a troll
[23:06:50] <AzumaHazuki> eat me with ketchup and choke on the bones
[23:07:10] <szopin> and you think you are doing it to prevent trumpmerrica or something, retard
[23:07:17] <AzumaHazuki> and no, if i were literally a troll i'd be dragging a club around and grunting
[23:07:30] <szopin> you are literally thw dumbest man in america
[23:07:47] <AzumaHazuki> ...holy shit, I'm donald trump? why didn't anyone tell me?
[23:08:02] <AzumaHazuki> no one even told me i was a guy! my life is a liiiiiiiiiiiiiie!
[23:08:08] <szopin> jimmy dore would like a word with you retard
[23:08:30] <szopin> but he's probably persoa non grata by the media you watch by now
[23:08:41] <AzumaHazuki> who the hell is jim dore?
[23:08:58] <szopin> exactly, back to watching cnn retardo
[23:09:23] <AzumaHazuki> i haven't owned a TV for 16 years
[23:09:47] <szopin> and you haven't had a progressive thought in your head the same time
[23:09:56] <AzumaHazuki> were you born this pathetic, or was it a lifestyle choice?
[23:10:19] <szopin> muh vote for biden is it
[23:10:32] <szopin> drumpfy bad, ridin with biden lol
[23:10:35] <szopin> who is dore lol
[23:10:38] <AzumaHazuki> i'd be amazed if you could find your way to a polling place to begin with
[23:10:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> szopin, subscribers don't get bonus karma. there's a db setting that controls that and it's currently set to 0. here's where it is in the code: https://github.com
[23:10:42] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews/rehash ( https://github.com )
[23:11:07] <AzumaHazuki> someone call this guy's minder and let them know he's missed like half a dozen doses of neuroleptic
[23:11:09] <szopin> TheMightyBuzzard: you told me paying subs get extra point
[23:11:27] <szopin> so what exactly do get the paying clients?
[23:11:28] <Bytram> szopin: So, you claimed that being a subscriber gave extra points; you are now a subscriber, you see no extra points. What you seem to be confusing is *karma* which is a result of moderations your comments have received.
[23:11:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> newp. they can but we have it set to zero. always have.
[23:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> szopin, mostly the warm feeling for being able to talk whatever kind of shit they like on a site that can pay its bills. they can sub stories and comments slightly faster and get a star, that's about it.
[23:12:31] <szopin> slightlyn
[23:12:36] <szopin> faster?
[23:13:07] <szopin> seriously I remember our discussion about comments, maybe the comments api gives them stealth points then?
[23:13:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, less delay between submissions/comments because we expect anyone who's paying money to keep us around isn't going to spam shat up.
[23:13:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope
[23:13:18] <Bytram> szopin: less of a wait between posting comments
[23:13:23] <szopin> as you told me you have to analyze if one subs to get real score?
[23:13:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> karma above 25 does
[23:13:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think 25 anyway
[23:13:45] <AzumaHazuki> you're talking to a paranoid schizophrenic if i'm any guess...
[23:14:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, that's okay, we won't hold it against you =P
[23:14:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Yeah, I wasn't sure of the karma line, either.
[23:14:15] <szopin> tmb: explain why was knowing a user sub status needed to know their real comment score???
[23:14:21] <AzumaHazuki> not me. i'm unipolar depressive, though managed with diet and sleep
[23:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> karma ratings: -10=Terrible|-1=Bad|0=Neutral|12=Positive|25=Good|99999=Excellent
[23:14:50] <szopin> mb: explain why was knowing a user sub status needed to know their real comment score???
[23:14:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> good gets you a +1, unless you turn it off.
[23:15:25] <szopin> ffs, I could swear you also made exception for paying customers
[23:15:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, /. did but we don't
[23:15:40] <szopin> or is this memoryholed (alex jones time)
[23:16:21] <szopin> Bytram: you were right, I apologize
[23:17:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> BUT, users can set adjustments for ACs, each and every moderation, subscriber bonus (that we don't have), friends, foes, fans, freaks, and a partridge in a pear tree.
[23:17:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> so what you see when logged in is... complicated
[23:18:10] <Bytram> szopin: I dunno. Maybe it is yet another of the various "knobs" that a user can set to affect how he wants other people's comments to appear... you can adjust them to your heart's content: can't remember for sure which page... try (1) https://soylentnews.org or (2) https://soylentnews.org
[23:18:11] <systemd> ^ 03szopin - SoylentNews User
[23:18:12] <systemd> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[23:18:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you just want the raw scores, use what the api gives you right now.
[23:19:05] <szopin> yeah, but I could swear I hear subbing gave you that default karma bonus, was mistaken
[23:19:16] <szopin> my bad, sorry guys
[23:19:26] <szopin> except you azu, you can still fuck off
[23:19:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> we talked about it doing so way back when. might have even been enabled for a day or two.
[23:19:34] <AzumaHazuki> i love you too, sweetcakes :D
[23:20:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> szopin, i'm pretty sure she actually can't. at least not when it's requested.
[23:20:06] <szopin> idk, thought it was during our discussion how to translate comment score into insightful etc
[23:20:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're similar like that
[23:20:19] <AzumaHazuki> here's a clue: I'll never, ever stop badgering you. not only are you crazier than a marzipan teapot, your constant spaz attacks are hilarious, szopin
[23:20:38] <szopin> azu ever heard of ignore?
[23:20:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, you just need the modreasons table dumped. very easy to write and i have the time in the morning.
[23:20:54] <AzumaHazuki> yes, but i can't resist. you're what's known as a lulzcow
[23:20:59] <szopin> your whole existence requires people being ignorant of thi option so shut up
[23:21:09] <AzumaHazuki> use it then :D
[23:21:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> but it's not going to show exactly the same as if you're browsing the site logged in if you've made adjustments to the settings.
[23:21:46] <szopin> maybe that's the caveit
[23:22:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> yar. but not a whole lot of folks use that. i can hunt down where that's stored in a user's info but it's gonna take some documenting.
[23:22:35] <szopin> but yeah full respect to Bytram, he was right
[23:23:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> he is sometimes. especially when being right would be annoying.
[23:23:06] <szopin> I probably just need a table, how often are you guys going to add emotions?
[23:23:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> =blame
[23:23:10] * systemd points at Bytram
[23:23:51] <Bytram> fwiw, I just had (2-3 hours ago) a nasty bout of very liquid shits and puking (I'm guessing it's norovirus)... it seems to have mostly passed, but I'm still not 100% and my stomach is still making some rumbling noises, so I apologize if I've been at all short with you.
[23:23:57] <szopin> new covid emotion incoming I love you but need to keep isolation
[23:24:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> szopin, i'm just going to write a quick sub to dump the values of the modreasons table.
[23:24:17] <szopin> kewl
[23:24:23] <szopin> Bytram: now cool
[23:24:25] <szopin> not*
[23:24:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> pull it when the app is opened and it's extremely unlikely to change before their phone gets rebooted
[23:25:04] <szopin> th thing is anon posting is soooooo shittily done
[23:25:30] <szopin> i can make one qml page and post from it.... and using the same page cannot post for 2 mins
[23:25:40] <szopin> so fetching id is bs
[23:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want to put settings in the app to let them make Insightful get a -6 penalty or Disagree get a +5, you can do that with local config options.
[23:26:05] <szopin> you just allow one anon per x minutes to post
[23:26:05] <Bytram> szopin: ^^^
[23:26:14] <Bytram> yep
[23:26:17] <Bytram> else spam
[23:26:24] <szopin> total lie what api says
[23:26:28] <szopin> wait 1 min
[23:26:46] <szopin> so to drop an app that will rely on your api happy hours seems shit
[23:27:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> just wrong not a lie. i'm plenty smart but i don't remember absolutely everything about every facet of the code.
[23:27:40] <szopin> not taking into anything against anyone just a misconstrued truth
[23:27:51] <szopin> plenty of thos
[23:27:52] <szopin> e
[23:28:22] <Bytram> I ran into it WAY back when when posting test comments and mods to our dev server; ISTR it was 1 minute wait, but could be longer too. Since I could, I gave that user a subscription and then faced no more delays
[23:28:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> let me know when ya find something incorrect and i'll fix it. just not tonight cause i was falling asleep in my chair before i ate two half pound burgers.
[23:29:00] <szopin> yeah dude, just telling of my experi
[23:29:13] <szopin> ences with api, it's... buggy
[23:29:29] <szopin> but it also can surely wait
[23:29:30] <Bytram> szopin: and same here, except my guts are still feeing like the guy in Alien before the face hugger blew out of his chest
[23:29:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> well sure. it's something i whipped up over like a week of mornings.
[23:30:18] <szopin> you guys really need some sailfishOS in your lives
[23:30:31] <szopin> jk, but it's a great os
[23:30:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, i need me some nicotine and windows ME
[23:30:55] <Bytram> szopin: I can vouch that the descriptions are not 100% correct, but I never got around to updating 'em because I was in a hurry to get comment moderation testing done and just wanted to be able to use 'em!
[23:31:32] <szopin> nah it's all good, I just returned from two months of pushing a cart around, I haz time now lol
[23:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> speakin of, i should go write myself a note cause i'll be lucky if i can remember even talking on irc by morning.
[23:32:15] <Bytram> well, I'm wiped. Looks like we need a couple more stories to make it through the night, too. :/
[23:32:30] <Bytram> ~todo
[23:32:34] <Bytram> !todo
[23:32:34] <Bender> nothing todo for martyb ;]
[23:32:34] <szopin> azuma sure has stories to tell
[23:33:01] <szopin> let the "woman" finish the night
[23:33:03] <Bytram> ~tell TheMightyBuzzard you have something to do for szopin
[23:33:18] <Bytram> doh, no bot!
[23:33:22] <Bytram> LOL!
[23:33:24] <Bytram> laters
[23:33:30] <szopin> cya man
[23:33:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no worries, got oversized chicken post-its
[23:33:51] <szopin> post tits?
[23:34:17] <szopin> oversized chicken tits is all we gonna get unlss azuma wakes up
[23:34:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> pos tits. like what hookers have. point-of-sale.
[23:34:52] <szopin> swipe my card on a post...tit... ewww
[23:35:41] <szopin> azuma promised he she always had something to make fun of me... now is the time azume or forever hold your peace
[23:35:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, veg then sleep time. got myself a note written.
[23:36:21] <szopin> I guess I'm free from azu forever, thank goodness
[23:36:37] <szopin> btw tmb pls post on my new blog
[23:36:51] <szopin> as in journal
[23:37:03] <szopin> journals are perfect for blogs it seems
[23:37:19] <szopin> pic incorporation would be cool but work great already
[23:38:53] <szopin> tmb: you have my email nick {at} gmail... or we'll see again here, cya man
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[23:51:29] <AzumaHazuki> he don't know me vewwy well, do he? :)
[23:51:38] * AzumaHazuki was showering, if anyone was wondering
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