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[01:06:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Senate Rejects Tougher Standards for Collection of Search and Browsing Data - https://sylnt.us - big-surprise
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[01:15:39] <Jupps> Well hello sailors :D
[01:23:10] <AzumaHazuki> o/
[01:23:29] <FatPhil> =gwhateevertimeitis
[01:23:29] <systemd> imitation of crutchy's gday script
[01:23:39] <FatPhil> bots--
[01:23:39] <Bender> karma - bots: -29
[01:32:58] <chromas> =gwhatevertimeitis FatPhil
[01:32:58] * systemd whole-heartedly writes a fanfic featuring a hatful of liver and onions about FatPhil
[01:38:08] <FatPhil> =gliverandonionstime chromas
[01:38:09] * systemd problematically evolves an 8" floppy disk of toenails from chromas
[01:38:31] <chromas> Should've been an SSD
[01:38:36] <chromas> Then they'd be TRIMmed
[01:38:41] <FatPhil> oh, man, love liver and onions.
[01:54:29] <AzumaHazuki> yum :9
[01:54:39] <AzumaHazuki> i'm afraid to eat liver due to hypervitaminosis A though
[02:01:50] <chromas> Just eat the livers of hypovitiminized animals
[02:03:02] <FatPhil> I inject bleach into their veins before eating.
[02:03:13] <FatPhil> even my red onions are white!
[02:37:23] <chromas> White rings? Are you bleaching Uranus?
[02:38:09] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[02:38:09] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[02:38:24] <FatPhil> What else is Space Force for?
[02:38:55] <chromas> =yt republican space rangers
[02:38:56] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Republican Space Rangers GTA V (12:54)
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[03:16:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Unreal Engine is Now Royalty-Free Until a Game Makes a Whopping $1 Million - https://sylnt.us - vendor-lock-in
[03:18:13] <chromas> And the Epic game store still doesn't have a cart
[03:43:34] <FatPhil> anyone know a simple plotting engine for use in perl?
[03:44:10] <FatPhil> Once every 5 years I learn how to use gnuplot, I'd rather not do that *again*
[04:33:28] <chromas> just use pset in qbasic
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[05:26:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NYC Caps Restaurant Delivery App Service Fees During COVID-19 - https://sylnt.us - low-fee-for-you
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[07:36:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Yes, Websites Really are Starting to Look More Similar - https://sylnt.us - which-witch-is-which?
[07:46:23] <chromas> I've noticed a lot of software sites have the same three-column large-icon style lately
[07:46:31] <chromas> like this https://www.iredmail.org
[07:46:32] <systemd> ^ 03iRedMail - Free, Open Source Mail Server Solution
[07:47:31] <chromas> also muh parallax scrollin'
[09:46:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Older, Larger Companies Benefit From Not Investing in Worker Safety, Study Finds - https://sylnt.us - follow-the-money
[09:55:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[09:55:20] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5214
[10:18:39] <FatPhil> lasagne++
[10:18:39] <Bender> karma - lasagne: 4
[11:00:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~define chromas, the dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventeen.
[11:00:10] * TheMightyBuzzard grumbles
[11:00:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~define-add chromas, the dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventeen.
[11:00:20] <exec> definition for term "chromas" set to "the dancing queen, young and sweet, only seventeen."
[11:27:32] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:27:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5215
[11:28:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[11:28:14] * exec diabolically a casserole of problematic principals HODL Bytram
[11:37:21] <Bytram> =gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:37:21] * systemd metaphorically redirects a rusty trombone of caffeinated bacon into TheMightyBuzzard
[11:37:25] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:37:25] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5216
[11:37:49] <Bytram> looks like a word there
[11:37:54] <Bytram> afk biab
[11:52:00] <FatPhil> yeah, good catch - the bot's accidentally a whole word!
[11:58:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dozens of Prehistoric, Roman and Medieval Sites Discovered by Archaeology Volunteers Working at Home - https://sylnt.us - down-to-earth-people
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[12:19:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> #weather
[12:19:54] <MrPlow> 601 Beach Dr NE, Saint Petersburg, FL 33701, USA - Today: "Clear throughout the day." 84/71F, Humidity: 64%, Precip: 7%, Wind ~14mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 85/71F, Humidity: 67%, Precip: 29%, Wind ~14mph. Sat: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 84/72F, Humidity: 71%, Precip: 18%, Wind ~10mph.
[12:26:35] <Bytram> we had some snow a couple days ago
[12:37:13] <inz> #weather Tampere
[12:37:14] <MrPlow> Central Square Fountain, Central Square, Tampere, Finland - Today: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 49/31F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 20%, Wind ~7mph. Fri: "Foggy in the morning." 49/32F, Humidity: 57%, Precip: 46%, Wind ~6mph. Sat: "Mostly cloudy throughout the day." 51/35F, Humidity: 69%, Precip: 55%, Wind ~4mph.
[12:37:36] <inz> The useless units still tell me nothing. :(
[12:37:54] <Bytram> ~weather tampa
[12:37:56] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[12:38:02] <Bytram> ~weather tampa, FL
[12:38:04] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[12:38:13] <Bytram> yep, still broken
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[13:00:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~weather 33601
[13:00:18] <exec> syntax: ~weather <location>
[13:08:48] <FatPhil> how do I s/// on what someone else said?
[13:09:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> I think it's
[13:09:13] <AndyTheAbsurd> FatPhil: s/how/why/
[13:09:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> ...if the "sed" setting is on, maybe?
[13:09:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> IDK.
[13:10:11] <FatPhil> bots--
[13:10:11] <Bender> karma - bots: -30
[13:27:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Senate Rejects Tougher Standards for Collection of Search and Browsing Data [Updated] - https://sylnt.us - big-surprise
[14:07:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - COVID-19 Disease Map: LCSB Researchers Coordinate International Effort - https://sylnt.us - a-picture-is-worth-a-thousand-words
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[15:05:20] <chromas> a
[15:05:23] <chromas> s/a/b/
[15:05:27] <chromas> ~sed on
[15:05:28] <exec> sed enabled for 10#soylent
[15:05:39] <chromas> FatPhil: s/-/+/g
[15:05:40] <exec> <chromas> <FatPhil> bots++
[15:13:14] <FatPhil> MrPlow: s/F/C/g
[15:13:48] <FatPhil> bots--
[15:13:48] <Bender> karma - bots: -31
[15:14:57] <FatPhil> Trump--
[15:14:57] <Bender> karma - trump: 0
[15:15:09] <FatPhil> yeah, thought so, the bots are worse than Trump
[15:29:32] <FatPhil> fuxake. I want to parse a fucking time string... # aptitude install libdatetime-perl
[15:29:40] <FatPhil> Need to get 2745 kB of archives. After unpacking 14.9 MB will be used.
[15:29:58] <FatPhil> Nah, I don't need to parse that fucking string after all
[15:30:04] <FatPhil> perl--
[15:30:04] <Bender> karma - perl: 4
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[16:16:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nvidia Announces Ampere GPU Architecture and A100 GPU - https://sylnt.us - Watt?
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[17:02:02] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.oann.com
[17:02:10] <systemd> Submitting "U.S. senator steps aside as committee chair amid stock trade probe"...
[17:02:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03U.S. Senator Steps Aside as Committee Chair Amid Stock Trade Probe" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:06:30] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.zerohedge.com
[17:06:32] <systemd> Submitting "Impeachment Boomerang: Contacts Exposed Between US Embassy & Hunter Biden-Connected Ukraine Energy Firm"...
[17:06:54] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08Impeachment Boomerang: Contacts Exposed Between US Embassy & Hunter Biden-Connected Ukraine Energy F" (67 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:11:28] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.globalresearch.ca
[17:11:30] <systemd> Submitting "Banking on the Nuclear Bomb Are Citi, Chase, BofA, Wells and Goldman Sachs - Global Research"...
[17:11:52] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Banking on the Nuclear Bomb are Citi, Chase, BofA, Wells and Goldman Sachs - Global Research" (81 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:18:36] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[17:18:39] <systemd> Submitting "Praying Mantises: More Deadly Than We Knew"...
[17:19:00] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Praying Mantises: More Deadly Than We Knew" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:23:17] <nutherguy> =submit https://www.propublica.org
[17:23:18] <systemd> Submitting "The Justice Department Accidentally Released the Name of Saudi Official Suspected of Helping the 9/11 Hijackers"...
[17:23:40] <systemd> ✓* Sub-ccess! "08the Justice Department Accidentally Released the Name of Saudi Official Suspected of Helping the 9/1" (21 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:33:04] <nutherguy> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[17:33:06] <systemd> Submitting "Alienware’s Upgradeable Laptop Still Holds Tons of Promise, But Not at That Price"...
[17:33:28] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Alienware’s Upgradeable Laptop Still Holds Tons of Promise, but Not at That Price" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:33:54] <nutherguy> I have specc'd laptops in the past, and always end up with prices over $2000, often times approaching $3000
[17:34:21] <nutherguy> I don't see any point in buying an underpowered POS that won't do what it's needed to do
[17:36:59] <Bytram> FatPhil: gawk: strftime, mktime, systime
[17:37:51] <Bytram> =g everything you know about time is wrong
[17:37:52] <systemd> https://infiniteundo.com - Infinite Undo — Falsehoods programmers believe about time
[17:41:20] <Bytram> https://FalsehoodsAboutTime.com
[17:42:37] <Bytram> http://FalsehoodsAboutTime.com
[17:42:54] <Bytram> whereto? http://FalsehoodsAboutTime.com
[17:45:58] <FatPhil> Bytram: yeah, I realised that the only thing the module that had 15MB of dependencies was being used for was effectively just a call to gmtime() and some string formatting.
[17:46:35] <nutherguy> =submit https://gizmodo.com
[17:46:37] <systemd> Submitting "How Do We Know the Nukes Still Work?"...
[17:46:42] <Bytram> and HOW big was it? Yikes!
[17:46:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03How Do We Know the Nukes Still Work?" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:48:01] <Bytram> .
[17:49:09] <Bytram> ls -l gawk.exe
[17:49:09] <Bytram> -rwxrwxrwx 1 user group 680462 Apr 17 17:11 gawk.exe
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[18:16:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Excess Coffee Consumption a Culprit for Poor Health - https://sylnt.us - Coffee:-it-calms-you-down-as-it-picks-you-up!
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[19:21:09] <FatPhil> given up on the perl module, it's as buggy as fuck.
[19:22:04] <FatPhil> anyone know of any lightweight alternatives to gnuplot that can be driven from a simple textual interface. (gnuplot wants to pull in 100MB of dependencies...)
[19:26:38] <carny> https://arstechnica.com
[19:26:39] <systemd> ^ 03Trump admin fired whistleblower “for being right” about COVID-19: lawmaker ( https://arstechnica.com )
[19:26:57] <carny> chloroquine has been gras for longer than this liar has been alive
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[19:54:29] <Bytram> FatPhil: What kind of time calculations were you trying to do?
[19:55:01] * Bytram has no suggestions on plotting packages
[19:55:36] * Bytram has no suggestions on scheming packages, either. ;)
[19:58:50] <FatPhil> Bytram: literally, converting 2020-05-14 to an epoch time and back again. 14 MB of modules required to do that the way that the masses do it.
[19:59:14] <FatPhil> I found I can do it with Date::Parse and the standard perl functions, way simpler.
[19:59:33] <FatPhil> I have no idea who would want to use DateTime, it looks like a monstrosity.
[19:59:53] <chromas> https://github.com
[19:59:55] <systemd> ^ 033b1b/manim
[20:00:34] <Bytram> like I mentioned earlier; mktime, strffime, and systime are builtin to gawk which is only ~500KB on windows
[20:00:38] <FatPhil> I was just trying to mess around with some sample plotting code, and it had some buttfuck stupid dependencies.
[20:01:14] <FatPhil> Date::Parse did the trick, pretty lightweight module with almost no deps.
[20:01:30] <FatPhil> I already had it installed in fact, as i use it quite often.
[20:01:34] <Bytram> did you see my other time-related links?
[20:01:59] <FatPhil> I also have DateTime::Tiny installed, which does 70% of what DateTime does, but is 100th of the size.
[20:02:30] <Bytram> neat1
[20:02:37] <Bytram> s/1/!/
[20:02:39] <exec> <Bytram> neat!
[20:02:46] <FatPhil> I think I'll probably just fall back on using gnuplot, but i'll give GNU plotutils a go too first, it's also command line driven, so pipeable.
[20:03:12] <Bytram> in case you missed it: https://infiniteundo.com
[20:03:13] <systemd> ^ 03Falsehoods programmers believe about time
[20:03:22] <FatPhil> I'm running this on my old RasPi - I just don't ahve the space for unnevessary junk
[20:03:40] <Bytram> ahhh, got it
[20:04:52] <Bytram> did you hear that ubuntu 20.04 is supposed to be directly installable on RPi? (not sure if it requires Model 4B)
[20:06:57] <FatPhil> I'm a devuan-sans-X type person. And I buy recycled junk old boards, and I like it that way!
[20:07:31] <Bytram> Oi! My fee fees!
[20:07:37] <Bytram> =)
[20:08:06] <FatPhil> my view on the time myths is that if you hit some quirk caused by some other guy's idiocy, it's his fault, and fuck him. GIGO is perfectly acceptible behaviour.
[20:08:46] <FatPhil> "but what if I change time zone mid run?" "don't change time zone mid run >slap<"
[20:09:25] <Bytram> So, no running code on a cross-country flight. got it.
[20:12:08] <Bytram> Of course, nobody would ever do a last-minute build on the flight to a customer site, right?
[20:13:02] <FatPhil> noone should write software where a build could depend on the time zone.
[20:13:08] <Bytram> Oh, and I can go from one time zone to another in a matter of minutes as I approach a TZ boundary in a car.
[20:13:58] <FatPhil> I view depending in any way on even the existence of a timezone to be a flaw.
[20:14:12] <FatPhil> If your software doesn't run on the moon, it's buggy.
[20:14:52] <FatPhil> If it doesn't run on an ion drive powered spaceship zooming out of the galaxy, it's buggy.
[20:15:02] <Bytram> So, IIRC, don't windows boxes run in local time? Think DST on/off.
[20:15:35] <FatPhil> However, when the *input* is a date, you've unfortunately got to process them occasionally.
[20:16:12] <Bytram> Especially when building code in a relativistic-speed craft orbiting a black hole!
[20:16:41] <FatPhil> If the person recording the dates is using different time zones for the dates he's giving you, it's his fault, and fuck him, not my problem. GIGO.
[20:16:52] <Bytram> Dates are actually kind of nice, especially on a Saturday night.
[20:17:11] <FatPhil> Dates are best augmenting muesli
[20:17:25] <FatPhil> quite nice when wrapped in bacon and grilled too.
[20:17:26] <Bytram> but those were the dates the OS gave me!
[20:17:47] <Bytram> Hey! Get your hands off my date!
[20:18:12] * Bytram chuckles at his bad joke
[20:24:27] <chromas> You can set Windows to run on UTC
[20:25:16] <Bytram> interesting.
[20:25:52] * Bytram wonders just how many windows boxes actually are set to run that way?
[20:26:43] <chromas> in the registry, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation
[20:26:53] <chromas> create a dword called RealTimeIsUniversal set to 1
[20:27:40] <Bytram> Well! Isn't that casual to the most obvious observer!
[20:27:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Confessions of Marcus Hutchins, the Hacker Who Saved the Internet - https://sylnt.us - crime-doesn't-pay
[20:30:12] <chromas> casual observers usually don't multiboot so they don't need to know :)
[20:31:18] <Bytram> multiboot is for millipedes
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[21:22:09] <FatPhil> sourceforge--
[21:22:09] <Bender> karma - sourceforge: -2
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[22:36:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Thunderspy: What It is, Why It's Not Scary, and What to Do About It - https://sylnt.us - phsyical-access-==-you-lose,-eventually
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[23:03:39] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Arthritis Drug May Improve Respiratory Function in Some Patients With Severe COVID-19" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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