#soylent | Logs for 2020-04-27

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[00:55:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> we need a windows or wine story slotted in just before "Magic Leap’s $2.6 Billion Bait and Switch". whatever's in that slot is gonna be https://sylnt.us
[00:55:42] <systemd> ^ 03YOURLS — Your Own URL Shortener | https://sylnt.us ( https://sylnt.us )
[00:56:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.phoronix.com maybe?
[00:56:55] <systemd> ^ 03Wine 5.7 Released With More Progress On D3D Vulkan Backend, USB Device Driver - Phoronix
[01:20:21] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I'm not supposed to edit my own stories... and I'm getting tired... just copy/paste this and I'll get on it:
[01:20:21] <Bytram> =submit https://www.phoronix.com
[01:20:23] <systemd> Submitting "Wine 5.7 Released With More Progress On D3D Vulkan Backend, USB Device Driver - Phoronix"...
[01:20:30] <Bytram> LOL
[01:20:44] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Wine 5.7 Released With More Progress on D3D Vulkan Backend, USB Device Driver - Phoronix" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:20:58] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Do I have your permission to say you submitted it?
[01:21:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, sure
[01:21:25] <Bytram> ktx
[01:21:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> if they don't believe ya, do like i do and blame chromas
[01:22:19] <chromas> That's what =asubmit is for ;)
[01:23:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's what #smake is for
[01:23:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> #socialist chromas
[01:23:14] <MrPlow> chromas, you're a socialist!
[01:23:22] <chromas> =socialist TheMightyBuzzard
[01:23:22] <systemd> TheMightyBuzzard, you're a socialist!
[01:23:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> i see your bot is as stupid as mine...
[01:24:11] * systemd waves his Schwartz around
[01:45:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Dolphins Reclaim Bosphorus as Virus Silences Istanbul - https://sylnt.us - so-long,-and-thanks-for-all-the-fish
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[03:56:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Magic Leap's $2.6 Billion Bait and Switch - https://sylnt.us - promise-the-world
[04:43:05] <chromas> pizza++
[04:43:05] <Bender> karma - pizza: 53
[04:54:10] <FatPhil> failed to have a pizza this weekend, something's clearly wrong with my planning.
[04:56:25] <chromas> Better get to the hospital; it's probably the covid
[04:58:23] <FatPhil> But I've got Avoiding Italian Dishes Syndrome.
[05:09:16] <FatPhil> has this entered the SN stream yet? https://reclaimthenet.org
[05:09:17] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey proposes editorializing the tweets of world leaders like Trump
[05:11:00] <FatPhil> personally that makes me want to punch @jack for verbing an adjective, but maybe that's just me.
[05:17:00] <inz> If DT's tweets were passed through any kind of filter, would anything pass?
[05:30:15] <chromas> Would it be a HEPA filter?
[05:33:24] <inz> In finnish that would work, as the phrase for bullshit is HEvonPAskaa
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[05:49:39] <chromas> Ah goot. HEPA filters are supposed to be great for people with allergies, so if you're allergic to bullshit...
[05:55:15] <inz> Curiously those not allergic to it would need it more...
[05:56:00] <inz> Or maybe it's just evolution.
[05:56:22] <inz> Survival of the even-marginally-sane
[05:57:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Wine 5.7 Released with More Progress on D3D Vulkan Backend, USB Device Driver - https://sylnt.us - https://sylnt.us
[06:00:24] <chromas> survival of the shittest
[06:55:45] <FatPhil> A Harvard University law professor has called for a “presumptive ban” on homeschooling — claiming that the freedom to do so under our current laws is “authoritarian.”
[06:55:58] <FatPhil> brain go whirr clunk
[06:56:20] <chromas> Freedom_is_Slavery.txt
[06:56:48] <FatPhil> recalibrating, whirr clunk
[06:57:15] <chromas> Sounds like your gears are dirty
[06:57:29] * chromas injects bleach
[06:59:45] <FatPhil> I think that's curing it. Yes, freedom is slavery. I have finally see the light. I couldn't see it previously as I was looking for white light, but this new black light is better for me.
[07:00:15] * chromas waves a flashdark around
[07:04:34] <chromas> In the UK, do they translate the Simpsons episode to MrPlough?
[07:04:50] <chromas> And Plough Queen
[07:07:47] <FatPhil> one would hope so
[07:12:16] <FatPhil> Oughr dough I houghp sough?
[07:27:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> damnit, youtube, i was in the middle of staying up way too late watching college kids not know shit about 80s music
[07:27:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> why you wanna give me stapling errors
[07:29:57] <FatPhil> Topic: number ones where the band and the single were single words. Q1) Fernando, 1975, begins with 'A'.
[07:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuckers. i've still got 2.5h until coffee time which is just the right amount of to make you feel worse than just staying up if you go to sleep while still being too long to make it if you're tired
[07:32:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> whew, all better
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[08:07:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 19 Possible Captured Interstellar Asteroids Found in the Solar System - https://sylnt.us - call-me-when-they-start-slowing-down
[08:38:20] <FatPhil> Woowoo! Our brewpub will probably re-open this weekend! Can you bastards overseas start making orders again, we'd kinda like our market back.
[08:39:04] <chromas> Nope. Stay Home, Save Lives™. Let the market die.
[08:42:20] <FatPhil> But beer's safe - it's safer than water as it's been boiled!
[08:42:35] <FatPhil> (^^^ historical fact)
[08:52:52] <FatPhil> boru: does germany still have a Walpurgis tradition? I'm just wondering what Finnish Vappu will be like. It used to be one of the biggest orgiastic festival in the western world (in the early 90s, at least, youngsters don't binge quite as much nowadays).
[08:56:07] <boru> Not sure, actually. We celebrate Bealtaine, which Walpurgis seems to demonify, unsurprisingly.
[08:56:59] <boru> Walpurgis seems to be a predominatly Northern thing anyway. Not sure if there's anything with similar history down here in Bavaria.
[08:58:21] <FatPhil> I think it's all just become merged into just may day, and then some kind of "workers' day".
[08:58:47] <boru> Not really, no.
[08:59:00] <boru> Bealtaine is still celebrated widely in Ireland.
[08:59:17] <boru> Moreso in the countryside, naturally.
[09:00:15] <FatPhil> https://en.wikipedia.org says that's a modern feast, which seems weird
[09:00:16] <systemd> ^ 03Public holidays in the Republic of Ireland - Wikipedia
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[09:03:08] <boru> That's the public holiday, not the festival. Bealtaine is probably 7-8 millenia old, in one form or another.
[09:04:10] <boru> The modern day festival is the product of centuries of erosion of our heritage by Abrahamic religions.
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[09:05:21] <boru> Bealtaine goes back to the proto-celts and indigenous peoples of Ireland and Britain.
[09:08:26] <FatPhil> I wonder if the Bael- is etymologically related to the Bel- in Belarus. I'm the wagering type, and I reckon that's a goer.
[09:09:01] <boru> Yeah, Bealtaine essentially translates to "fires of Bel"
[09:09:15] <boru> Bel, as in the god.
[09:09:47] <FatPhil> Ah, it's white/light word in lots of the indo-european tree
[09:09:50] <boru> But that's a Celtic god; there practice of celebrating the midpoint between soltice and equinox predates that, in Ireland at least.
[09:10:02] <boru> Predates the Celts, that is.
[09:10:30] <boru> In modern Gaeilge, "tine" is "fire".
[09:11:35] <boru> Bealtaine tradition is big bonfires lit on all of the hills on the eve. A practice which still exists in some parts of Ireland today.
[09:13:06] <FatPhil> that's more a midsummer thing in the more viking-influenced lands. (which is a bit silly, I know)
[09:13:24] <boru> It's a thing for most Germanic peoples.
[09:13:35] <boru> Bonfires on festivals, that is.
[09:14:10] <FatPhil> they've been culturally significant since as long as we've had culture!
[09:14:20] <boru> The 4 major Irish festivals feature it. In some cases, two fires, between which farm animals are lead, or in other cases, that people jump over together.
[09:14:27] <boru> Indeed they have.
[09:15:49] <FatPhil> although if you scrape through the evidence, it seems our ancestral apes invented them before humans were even a thing
[09:17:30] <FatPhil> bloody *birds* know to set fires by carrying burning tinder from a fire to scare wildlife out of wooded areas in Australia.
[09:17:35] <boru> Well, there is evidence in Ireland that the original settlers who crossed the ice sheet in ~9000-8000 BC had an understanding of astronomy e.g. precession. Many ceremonial sites and tombs from the subsequent era show that they were built to mark solstices and equinoxes.
[09:17:51] <boru> Millenia before those silly Egyptians.
[09:36:09] <FatPhil> ah, Bel seems to be Baal in semitic tongues
[09:41:53] <boru> Quite possible; there is probably some overlap with deities in Mesopotamia.
[09:42:54] <boru> That's where much comes from; the progenitor for Abrahamic religions also. Monotheism has its roots in Zorastrianism.
[09:43:26] <boru> Judaism for example, is likely an offshoot of an older religion which originated in what is now Iran.
[09:43:50] <boru> Which itself then produced Christianity and Islam.
[10:15:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AT&T CEO Retiring as Telco Plans for Three Years of Cost Cuts and Layoffs - https://sylnt.us - out-with-the-old,-in-with-the-new
[10:18:20] <FatPhil> Judaism isn't exactly monotheistic. Did deeply and you'll find all kinds of wierd stuff. There are hints towards reincarnation in the Torah, IIRC.
[10:19:48] <FatPhil> https://nymag.com
[10:19:51] <systemd> ^ 03We Still Don’t Know How the Coronavirus Is Killing Us
[10:38:39] <GrandFireWizard> it destroys lungs?
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[10:42:35] <FatPhil> it gets our immune system to destroy our lungs?
[10:44:06] <GrandFireWizard> it makes us join a university, have a great time, contract a social disease causing death?
[10:47:16] <FatPhil> that's holdmybeeritis
[10:47:40] <GrandFireWizard> haven'theardofit howdoesitgo?
[10:55:55] <carny> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[10:55:57] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus deaths error blamed on computer system
[10:56:13] <carny> it kills us by causing i.t. incompetence
[10:56:39] <carny> and apparently nobody in wales is able to go back and correct historical data
[10:56:58] <carny> so the welsh graph will be janky forever
[11:08:42] <carny> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[11:08:44] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus: Viral WhatsApp messages 'drop 70%'
[11:09:10] <carny> in other words facebook is censoring almost everything important being said on whatsapp
[11:09:32] <carny> now's a good time to build a competing platform
[11:21:37] <GrandFireWizard> the last decade has been a good time to build a competing platform
[11:22:25] <GrandFireWizard> I am in utter non-shock that the PS4 can corrupt game saves so you lose items/gear... and doesn't have a mechanism to recover natively.
[11:22:34] <GrandFireWizard> No, the Cloud is not a solution.
[11:22:54] <GrandFireWizard> Well, at least we now know about usb backups..
[11:55:19] <Ingar> PC gaming.. making backups since 1989
[12:00:22] <FatPhil> I've got a text file full of numbers under git version control - is there an easy way to tabulate those numbers as time sequences based on commit date?
[12:09:45] <Bytram> FatPhil: Abba
[12:10:58] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
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[12:11:08] <Bytram> ~gday janrinok
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[12:11:33] * janrinok is left wondering what No Mas! is...
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[12:27:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Has Reportedly Removed More Than 100 Apps - https://sylnt.us - app-network
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[12:49:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:49:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5189
[12:51:05] <AzumaHazuki> if they made coffee skittles i might try those
[12:59:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> they make coffee mnms
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[13:13:38] <janrinok> hi Az
[13:13:44] <janrinok> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
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[13:14:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday janrinok
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[14:43:24] <chromas> carny: there's a buttload of alternative platforms but they don't have muh network effect
[14:45:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Centenary of Astronomy's "Great Debate" on the Size of the Universe - https://sylnt.us - there’s-bugger-all-down-here-on-earth
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[16:09:46] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
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[16:56:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - UN: Consequences Remain Decades after Chernobyl Disaster - https://sylnt.us - glowing-recommendations
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[17:16:44] <FatPhil> Do Americans consider the UK a "tiny island nation"? (the important word being "tiny")
[17:18:04] <chromas> We don't consider it
[17:18:53] <chromas> woohoo++ my xmpp server's got a 94% compliance value now
[17:18:53] <Bender> karma - woohoo: 21
[17:22:39] <FatPhil> Make America Great Britain Again
[17:24:14] <AndyTheAbsurd> And let Boris Johnson take over from Mango Mussolini? Nah, don't think so.
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[18:04:08] <Teckla> So I personally use find+grep for my searching. A co-worker wants a Windows GUI tool that does the same. The command line scares him. Does anyone have any recommendations? Bonus points if it can be plugged into Notepad++. Anyone? :)
[18:05:11] <pinchy> command lines are scary af
[18:06:36] <pinchy> notepad++ should do that out of the box
[18:06:37] <Bender> karma - notepad: 2
[18:06:37] <janrinok> Teckla, have you tried beating him each day?
[18:08:11] <Teckla> He uses NPP and uses that feature of NPP now, but apparently it runs painfully slow, and tends to lock up the GUI while running -- according to him.
[18:08:22] <Teckla> I ran find/grep within WSL/Linux in a fraction of the time. :)
[18:08:33] <Teckla> janrinok: LOL!
[18:11:09] <Bytram> Teckla: I use grep and find all the time -- on the command line -- couldn't imagine doing it any other way. Why add the overhead of supporting a whole GUI when a cmd pipeline is so much more performant? Yeah, I'm not an average user, so I don't have any alternative suggestions, sorry!
[18:12:22] <Teckla> Bytram++
[18:12:22] <Bender> karma - bytram: 135
[18:12:29] <Bytram> What is he trying to do, anyway?
[18:12:44] <Teckla> Yeah, I prefer the command line, vim, etc. The icing on the cake is that it scares my co-workers :D
[18:12:46] <Bytram> searching in a single file? multiple files?
[18:13:00] <Bytram> Teckla++ scare
[18:13:00] <Bender> karma - teckla: 4
[18:13:05] <Teckla> Bytram: NPP can already do it, it's just slow, and locks up the GUI while it's doing it. Yeah, just regex searches across files.
[18:13:32] <Bytram> ok, multiple files.
[18:13:44] <Teckla> I've always *hated* it *passionately* when co-workers touch my keyboard. The command line and vim keep them away!
[18:14:18] <Teckla> Co-worker: "Here, let me show you where..." Me: "Oh, this is vim -- do you know how to use vim?" Co-worker: *cringes in horror* "No." Me: "Okay, well, just tell me where to navigate..."
[18:14:19] <Bytram> so it would be fas if it didn't have the gui in the way. So he wants a gui that takes no computes to do its thing? That would be... niiiice.
[18:14:26] <Teckla> And voila! One less co-worker touching my keyboard! \o/
[18:14:34] <Bytram> yays
[18:15:01] <Bytram> I'll forgive the vim, but emacs tends to solicit an equivalent response.
[18:15:48] <pinchy> get that dude some windows file manager tool with search like double commander etc
[18:16:10] <Teckla> I'm old enough and have worked on enough Unix systems that vi was always there, emacs wasn't. So, I ended up learning vi... just because it was always available. Never tried to learn emacs, but I hear it's nice.
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[18:16:56] * Teckla consulted for a good long while and even getting something like emacs installed back in the day could be pretty challenging (sys admins didn't want to install it).
[18:17:14] <Teckla> And I'm also old enough to remember emacs being ***slow*** (on the hardware at the time).
[18:17:22] * Teckla <- ancient, senile, fossilized
[18:18:14] <Bytram> when I was introduced to visual editors WAY back when, I tried vi, but weren't any *truly* knowledgeable folk where I worked. Emacs, OTOH, after I followed the tutorial and printed out the "wallpaper" cheat sheet, I found to be amazingly orthogonal. "F" was for moving forward, Using Ctrl or Alt with it increased the amount (character word, line, etc). "B" was for backwards. Same keys had same modifying effect. NICE!
[18:18:31] <Bytram> I had a good go of it with TECO
[18:19:29] <Bytram> actually wrote some TECO programs that consumed a whole library of programs and generated a cross reference of what programs defined/used what subroutines.
[18:20:04] <Bytram> Is all I had, and what they had was nothing at all, so it ended up being the best tool available at the time.
[18:20:21] <Bytram> Oh, and the whole computer had 64K of memory.
[18:21:04] <Bytram> and was multi-user
[18:21:16] <Bytram> and the size of a couple refrigerators
[18:21:24] <Teckla> 64k! Luxury! ;)
[18:22:09] <Bytram> well, granted that something like 24K of that was taken up by the OS
[18:22:42] <janrinok> gtg - laters everyone!
[18:23:12] <Teckla> Bytram: What OS was that?
[18:23:15] <Teckla> Oh, TECO?
[18:23:22] <Bytram> janrinok: have a great day; hugs and kisses to S!
[18:23:24] <Bytram> yep
[18:23:39] <Teckla> Neat.
[18:23:46] <Teckla> Bye janrinok!
[18:23:49] <Bytram> back in the day, one could not do: teco foo unless foo already existed as a file.
[18:24:06] <Bytram> To create the file, one had to issue the command: make foo
[18:24:19] <Bytram> *then* you can do: teco foo
[18:24:42] <Bytram> want to take a guess at what happens when you tried to create a file called "love" ??
[18:27:10] * Teckla raises an eyebrow :)
[18:29:01] <Bytram> make love
[18:29:04] <Bytram> not war?
[18:29:14] <Bytram> and then it would proceed as normal. =)
[18:30:05] <Bytram> IIRC, we are talking about mid to late 1980s
[18:33:03] * Teckla chuckles
[18:36:52] <Bytram> break time; laters!
[18:58:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Single Malicious GIF Opened Microsoft Teams to Nasty Attack - https://sylnt.us - choosy-hackers-choose-gif
[19:12:43] <chromas> Back to Zoom I guess
[19:14:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> If you can stand having Google in your life, Google Hangouts does video calls.
[19:16:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> so does installing an xmpp server daemon on your home server
[19:18:39] <gozar> There is also meet.jit.si, and you can install your own server.
[19:50:41] <nutherguy> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[19:50:42] <systemd> Submitting "Lenovo is joining Dell in the “OEM Linux Laptop” club"...
[19:51:04] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Lenovo is Joining Dell in the “OEM Linux Laptop” Club" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[19:51:12] <nutherguy> What would be wrong with a XXXmpp server?
[19:51:55] <chromas> nutherguy: s/p/P/g
[19:51:57] <exec> <chromas> <nutherguy> What would be wrong with a XXXmPP server?
[19:52:48] <chromas> The only thing wrong with single-X mpp is every little thing has its own extension and not everyone supports them all
[19:52:56] <chromas> For example, Pidgin doesn't support modern file transfers
[19:53:11] <chromas> Although I've read Pidgin is the Internet Explorer of instant messaging
[19:53:18] <chromas> IE6
[19:54:17] <nutherguy> -submit https://www.nytimes.com
[19:54:18] <systemd> ^ 03Georgia Can’t Copyright Its Entire State Code, the Supreme Court Rules
[19:54:30] <nutherguy> That's an important win if you're from Georgia
[19:55:55] <chromas> But can it copyright the code in parts?
[19:56:13] <nutherguy> don't think so - they'll be exploring that though
[19:56:22] <nutherguy> they can't copyright annotations either
[19:57:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> they'll contract it out so the copyright belongs to the author but gets assigned to them
[19:58:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's that time again
[19:58:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[19:58:06] <Bender> karma - naps: 110
[20:05:09] <nutherguy> =submit https://reclaimthenet.org
[20:05:11] <systemd> Submitting "Harvard and Arizona law professors lay out the case for online "speech control""...
[20:05:32] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Harvard and Arizona Law Professors Lay Out the Case for Online "Speech Control"" (26 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[21:07:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The COVID-19 Shutdown is Making Weather Prediction More Difficult - https://sylnt.us - cloudy-outlook
[21:10:15] <nutherguy> lot of interesting stuff here, specially if you follow links from it - https://www.sott.net
[21:10:16] <systemd> ^ 03Antibody testing proves we've been had! -- Sott.net
[21:10:52] <nutherguy> Not submitting it now - I may put it into my journal, my submit it later - like I say, lots of interesting stuff
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[21:35:18] <TurkeyWaddle> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[21:35:23] <systemd> Journal Reference Han-Ying Wang, Kohgaku Eguchi, Takayuki Yamashita, et al. Frequency-dependent block of excitatory neurotransmission by isoflurane via dual presynaptic mechanisms [open], <cite>Journal of Neuroscience</cite> (DOI: <a href="https://doi.org/10.1523/JNEUROSCI.2946-19.2020">10.1523/JNEUROSCI.2946-19.2020</a>)
[21:38:47] <FatPhil> damb, that driveby's upped his game...
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[21:44:30] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[21:44:31] <systemd> ^ 03Spying on the Scammers [Part 1/4]
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[22:22:35] <carny> chromas: pretty sure most of what those anti-scammer warriors are doing is illegal
[22:22:51] <carny> also pretty sure it's the greatest thing in the universe ;]
[23:16:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Less is More With OpenCL 3.0 - https://sylnt.us - more-or-less
[23:53:52] <chromas> Breaking the law just makes it all the better