#soylent | Logs for 2020-04-07
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[00:06:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - COBOL-Coding Volunteers Sought as Creaking Mainframes Slow New Jersey's Coronavirus Response - https://sylnt.us - big-cobalt
[00:08:44] <chromas> http://feedproxy.google.com
[00:08:44] <systemd> ^ 03This smart toilet offers advanced poop analysis and analprinting ( https://thenextweb.com )
[00:09:11] <chromas> Probably gonna use that to decide how to distribute TP rations
[00:09:53] <chromas> Has anyone noticed a correlation between the polarization of politics and the decline in CRT usage?
[00:10:31] <chromas> All the news is polarized because we're reading it with LCDs
[00:18:40] <GrandFireWizard> sigh
[00:18:45] <GrandFireWizard> thanks, chromas.
[00:20:22] <chromas> :D
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[01:56:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Research Finds How Much CEOs Matter to Firm Performance - https://sylnt.us - it-all-adds-up
[01:58:15] <AzumaHazuki> boris johnson is in the ICU with the virus
[01:58:40] <AzumaHazuki> serves him right, him and his tory psychos trying to strangle the NHS. i wish him a slow death, and a quick trip to hell
[01:59:22] <AzumaHazuki> can be trump next plz? those two obviously crawled out of the same cloning vat so hopefully they have the same immune vulnerabilities
[02:08:40] <Bytram> well, if Trump comes down with it, he'll get the best care the military can provide at Walter Reed.
[02:08:50] <Bytram> If I assume correctly.
[02:09:57] <AzumaHazuki> BoJo has less than 7 days to live by my estimate. this is one of those dose-dependent things and it sounds like he got a rather large inoculum
[02:10:05] <AzumaHazuki> i can only hope trump did too
[02:12:03] <chromas> Then we get Race Bannon for prez.
[02:12:20] <AzumaHazuki> he won't last
[02:12:35] <chromas> That's what They™ said about Trump
[02:13:23] <AzumaHazuki> i never thought he wouldn't. as soon as i saw him running i knew
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[03:16:35] <pinchy> hug a chink for good luck
[03:56:51] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ‘Scared to Death’ by Arbitration: Companies Drowning in Their Own System - https://sylnt.us - poetic-justice
[03:59:13] <AzumaHazuki> Hahahaha!
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[04:19:35] <driveby> https://i.4pcdn.org
[04:21:10] <AzumaHazuki> what a name
[04:21:19] <AzumaHazuki> we know communists suck. what's the point?
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[05:46:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FCC: Tracfone Made Up “Fictitious” Customers to Defraud Low-Income Program - https://sylnt.us - the-number-you-have-dialed-was-never-connected
[06:15:59] <chromas> "If there's one thing that I truly hate the Ribbon for, it's the fact that it made me hate Clippy less."
[06:28:05] <janrinok> ~gday chromas
[06:28:07] * exec whole-heartedly internalizes a sac of topical cream in chromas
[06:28:27] <chromas> =g'marnin' janrinok
[06:28:28] * systemd amazingly synthesizes a matrix of pirated software from janrinok
[06:29:52] <chromas> =yt south park topical cream
[06:29:53] <systemd> https://youtube.com - South Park - 107 - Pinkeye Best of Cartman (31)
[06:31:24] <chromas> That clip doesn't match at all
[06:33:07] <chromas> How's the pythonation, janrinok?
[06:43:32] <janrinok> slow progress - I don't get as much time as I would like to do programming at the moment
[06:45:01] <FatPhil> carny: I swear I didn't know about this site until 5 minutes ago - I'd not seen their projections before making my own at the weekend.
[06:45:04] <FatPhil> https://covid19.healthdata.org
[06:45:04] <systemd> ^ 03IHME | COVID-19 Projections
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[06:52:08] <FatPhil> In other preditions, Estonia's going to have an uptick in cases in a week or two. Town has started to fill up with what I can only describe as tourists. They don't go into any buildings, or come from any buildings, so they don't live or work here. Up by a factor of 5 since last week. (still about 10x less than normal)
[06:52:43] <chromas> Do you live in Sim City?
[06:53:00] <FatPhil> Would that help?
[06:53:01] <chromas> The people just go up and down the roads with no destination?
[06:53:44] * chromas pictures little hustling people from Cities Skylines, except they actually go places
[06:53:58] <FatPhil> well, they head in and out of the local city gates (30m from the end of my road), so I can guarantee at least one end of their journey's not connected.
[06:54:42] <chromas> They just come in, lick and sneeze on a few things, then go back out
[06:55:18] <FatPhil> but normally you see people go to actuall places (which are currently closed) for an actual reason (to shop, work, or rest). Precisely zero evidence of that with this lot. It's weird. Seems like Sim Tallinn's been flooded with NPCs
[06:56:21] <chromas> They're stuck in a loop
[06:56:58] <carny> FatPhil: are they tourists fleeing hot zones and isolating in estonia because it's a cool zone?
[06:57:45] <chromas> while(hangry){hangry -= shop.getNearest().eat; /* eat keeps returning 0 for some reason*/}
[06:57:45] <fungus_> while(hangry)? Unknown Style "hangry" ?
[06:58:23] <chromas> They're called refugees, carny and it's WRONG to deny them helps
[07:00:58] <FatPhil> carny: I think it's because the govt said at the weekend "It looks like you're starting to overcrowd parks - it's OK to go to civic and national parks, but still observe the 2+2 rule. Try getting out to other places instead."
[07:01:55] <FatPhil> they actually recommended "other less popular national parks", but it seems a few hundred have interpreted that as "the limestone jungle of the old town".
[07:03:28] <FatPhil> mask usage is just beginning to become noticeable. Not enough though. Saw some terrible mask hygiene from one wearer yesterday, I think they need to put out some tutorials for the man on the street.
[07:03:33] <chromas> What's the 2+2 rule? "If you're too dumb to add then you should stay home"?
[07:03:40] <FatPhil> chromas++
[07:03:40] <Bender> karma - chromas: 280
[07:03:59] <FatPhil> no groups larger than 2 people, and always keep more than 2 metres from others.
[07:04:12] <chromas> Ah
[07:04:46] <FatPhil> I'm tempted to say they should say 3 meters if they want people to observe 2. People aren't the smartest of creatures.
[07:05:12] <chromas> I think NOAA had a rule like that with the millions of animals he stuff on his boat, but it was 2×2 (and 7×7 for the ones he needed to burn for JEsus)
[07:09:52] <FatPhil> Looks like he's gonna need a bigger boat
[07:10:25] <janrinok> ~gday carny, FatPhil
[07:10:27] * exec proverbially merges a bribe of spinning rust with carny,
[07:10:28] <carny> i heard a stat of 37 feet for airborne transmission
[07:10:38] <janrinok> ~gday fungus_
[07:10:38] <carny> not sure where that number came from tho
[07:10:40] * exec gaily pilfers a hooker full of potato salad from fungus_
[07:11:23] <FatPhil> carny: that was a deliberately unrestrained sneeze, i think. They were aiming for the record.
[07:11:48] <chromas> Nah, two meters is fine. Your bodily emissions can't reach beyond that threshold and magically disappears
[07:12:23] <FatPhil> I can fart further than that.
[07:12:40] <carny> FatPhil: how many times have you seen shitty humans sneezing or caughing and doing nothing to cover it?
[07:12:43] <chromas> Do it
[07:13:17] <chromas> I once yawned in a walmart without covering my mouth. Some guy saw and though I was starting agape at him and he started to explain he wasn't stealing or something
[07:14:04] <FatPhil> carny: fortunately very rarely. I'd rather the scientists modeled the risks of what people actually do, rather than trying to set headline-fodder records.
[07:15:27] <FatPhil> I'm a grumpy fuck who doesn't like strangers, so 2m is invading my close personal space, I think it's a terrible rule from several perspectives.
[07:15:35] <chromas> This is why we need to track everyone and everything. Imagine the deeplearn that could be applied
[07:15:48] * chromas switches to 70cm
[07:16:27] <carny> i think anybody who thinks 2m is a safe distance for an aerosolized virus with deliberately enhanced spikes doesn't know what the fuck they're doing
[07:16:39] <carny> and nobody should listen anything they say
[07:17:05] <chromas> Damn viruses and their implants
[07:17:19] <carny> sneeze downwind on a breezy day and tell me that 2m is a safe distance
[07:17:28] <carny> or even 50m
[07:18:06] <FatPhil> oh, god, yeah. air currents change everything.
[07:18:29] <carny> air currents change nothing becuase they always exist
[07:18:43] <carny> so any 'model' that assumes they don't is stupid and worthless
[07:19:01] <carny> that's been a main point of mine from the beginning
[07:19:02] <FatPhil> But those are the models people use.
[07:19:28] <chromas> Time to start vacuum sealing everyone in their houses
[07:19:38] <carny> the people using them should be fired and replaced with intelligent people who understand how to prevent infections
[07:19:51] <FatPhil> The thing is that it takes common sense a 5-year-old could understand to explain why the models are garbage.
[07:20:22] <FatPhil> and yet apparently they're good enough to be the source of advice to billions of people.
[07:20:24] <carny> we need to get rid of every single fake scientist leading these organizations and replace them with lab rats who have personal experience in a hot lab
[07:20:37] <chromas> Can't believe you're armchair-sciencing the scientists.
[07:20:43] <chromas> Listen and Believe™
[07:21:21] <carny> mark steyn blew my mind today
[07:21:27] <FatPhil> I have been a teacher in my career, and I care a lot about science communication. I've thought very deeply how I would try to correct common misconceptions.
[07:21:39] <carny> can you guess what 'doctor tedros' did his non medical phd in?
[07:22:03] <carny> that's the guy leading the who in case you don't recognize the name
[07:22:15] <FatPhil> I did look it up the second I saw his first utter bullshit statement.
[07:22:36] <FatPhil> It seemed like he ought to at least know enough to not make such a bullshit statement.
[07:23:13] <carny> clearing up misconceptions is great and we need more brilliant people to spend more time on educating the public
[07:23:38] <carny> but we need people making the policy who are competent enough to work in the field without killing themselves
[07:24:03] <FatPhil> Amen to that.
[07:24:04] <carny> not greasy politicians with a phd
[07:24:23] <carny> so 5 years in a hot lab should be a requirement
[07:24:33] <FatPhil> Ah, his MSc should have taught him what he needed to know.
[07:24:40] <carny> and the ones who die don't get promoted to management ;]
[07:25:39] <FatPhil> I think we've found a refutation for the Peter Principle.
[07:26:01] <FatPhil> Incompetents seem to get promoted to a position where they can kill millions!
[07:26:21] <chromas> Not a problem. Just promote them some more
[07:26:27] <carny> in a sufficiently large organization of national security importance an individual tends to rise to their level of incompetence
[07:26:35] <FatPhil> chromas: to the top - to Prime Minister!
[07:26:42] <carny> and then dies horribly from ebola ;]
[07:26:51] <chromas> We need more people to die though
[07:26:57] <FatPhil> that's just wishful thinking!
[07:27:03] <FatPhil> carny's statement, that is
[07:27:09] <FatPhil> and chromas' too :
[07:27:11] <FatPhil> )
[07:27:23] <FatPhil> i really must get my jaw dislocations seen to
[07:27:31] <chromas> lol
[07:27:33] <chromas> FatPhil++
[07:27:33] <Bender> karma - fatphil: 61
[07:27:43] <carny> well there's also an old military term called 'fragging' that i'm just going to leave here and walk away from ;]
[07:27:54] <chromas> Evolution gave us stronk people who worked together to eat tigers and stuff. Medicine gave us people allergic to grass and peanut butter.
[07:28:36] <chromas> Is that what Fraggle Rock was about?
[07:28:40] <carny> chromas: politics gave us lobbyists and laws where you can't sue a vaccine manufacturer if their product kills your kid
[07:29:05] <chromas> Sounds like antivaxxer talk but ok
[07:29:20] <carny> and that's why we have idiots like jenny mccarthy selling healing crystals or whatever crap she does
[07:29:22] <chromas> Oh wait, is this the shitposting channel?
[07:36:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Bug Bounty Programs Are Being Used To Buy Silence - https://sylnt.us - shush-your-mouth
[07:41:00] <FatPhil> I always try hard to take my more controversial views to the other channel, there's no reason to needlessly offend the delicate snowflakes who reside only here ;-)
[07:42:56] <chromas> I wonder if we have any lurking
[07:43:17] <chromas> Probably Loggie. Just sitting there, taking notes of everything we say so he can point to it later
[07:44:17] <carny> NerdRPG> carny [244/413] has challenged NerdRPG [623/1914] and been defeated in combat! 2 days, 06:56:52 is added to carny's clock.
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[09:27:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Identifies New Temperature Sensing Mechanism in Plants - https://sylnt.us - sensible-plants
[11:27:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Improved Laser System Will Help Large Optical Telescopes Gather More Accurate Data - https://sylnt.us - seeing-clearly
[12:03:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> goddamnit MacOS
[12:03:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> Hitting the "Home" key does not mean "go to the top of the current document", it means "go to the beginning of the current line"!
[12:03:50] * AndyTheAbsurd wails and gnashes teeth
[12:04:20] <chromas> Is your Control key stuck?
[12:05:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> No, but my hands and brain have had 25 years of training doing things The Windows Way.
[12:06:10] <chromas> Ah. Thought maybe it was just a keyboard issue instead of dumb implementation
[12:10:15] <chromas> Internet says you can change them to normal with a config file
[12:10:30] <chromas> ~/Library/KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict
[12:12:24] <gozar> Look at Karabiner Elements too.
[12:40:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah, I looked it up already, but apparently it requires a reboot to take effect, and I'm in the middle of something.
[12:46:52] <gozar> I use it to switch the caps lock to ESC when tapped and control when held.
[12:49:10] <AndyTheAbsurd> As I was just telling someone else: Really, like 90% of the time, MacOS is okay - it's just the little gotchas keep adding up, resulting in it feeling like it's a miserable OS for me to use.
[12:50:31] <gozar> I enjoy it so much, but Apple's hardware offerings over the past 8 years have been lacking.
[13:16:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Goes on an Acquisition Spree, Turns Attention to NextVR - https://sylnt.us - iTunes-has-audio-and-videos,-next-up-VRideos?
[13:20:28] * Teckla isn't fond of macOS either.
[13:20:54] <Teckla> Or Windows. :P
[13:23:49] <gozar> I'm back on Windows after a 15 year absence, and it's a lot better than I remember.
[13:29:49] <GrandFireWizard> you poor thing
[13:29:58] <GrandFireWizard> is there anything we can do to help you?
[13:30:24] <GrandFireWizard> Have you considered moving to Apple for a while?
[13:34:51] <gozar> Lol, I still have an Apple or two around here.
[13:35:21] <gozar> I basically only need a terminal and a browser, so I jump between OSes a lot.
[13:45:34] <GrandFireWizard> I switched to Ubuntu, now on 18.04 Mate, and haven't looked back
[13:47:44] <FatPhil> Nerds: I need some calamaties/godsends/whatever related to systemd for idlerpg.
[13:49:21] <gozar> Today: https://cdn.gtia.com
[14:09:11] <Teckla> gozar: Gorgeous amber screen!
[14:10:18] <Teckla> GrandFireWizard: I finally gave up on Windows as well, about 2 years ago. Using stock Ubuntu.
[14:22:52] <FatPhil> 420, eh, 220 not good enough for you?
[14:31:33] <FatPhil> =g What linux distros don't have systemd
[14:31:34] <systemd> https://ungleich.ch - ungleich blog - Linux distros without systemd
[15:04:15] <gozar> FatPhil, is was a $1 school auction purchase. :-)
[15:06:19] <FatPhil> that's VFM!
[15:07:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - FDA Requests Removal of All Ranitidine Products (Zantac) from the Market - https://sylnt.us - ingredients-going-bad-is-enough-to-give-you-heartburn
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[15:44:10] <FatPhil> idlerpg has new updates for pulling... (alas, untested, but that's your job, right?)
[16:07:21] <FatPhil> "Israel Health Minister who called COVID-19 'Divine Punishment for homosexuality' tests positive for the virus"
[16:29:10] <carny> pulling?
[16:33:01] <FatPhil> carny: man git pull
[16:58:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Older Entrepreneurs as Successful as their Younger Counterparts, Study Reveals - https://sylnt.us - the-age-of-entrepeneurs-does-not-depend-on-age
[17:20:01] <soybull> pull my finger
[17:37:17] <carny> oh lol
[17:37:44] <carny> i thought you updated a pulling feature of the game i didn't know about ;]
[17:41:17] <janrinok> GrandFireWizard, another happy MATE 18.04 user here
[17:41:53] <AndyTheAbsurd> my brain keeps wanting to parse "idlerpg" as "idler PG" and think that it's some kind of efficiency thing for low-volume PostGreSQL servers or something.
[17:46:45] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: Yep, I still, consistently see: "cow orker" for "co worker"
[17:47:07] <Bytram> I wonder how many words have natural parse errors like that?
[17:47:26] <Bytram> Hmmm
[17:48:15] <chromas> That Apple mouse looks like a plastic toenail
[17:48:18] <chromas> https://i.etsystatic.com
[17:48:18] <Bytram> Initial letters of WORD1 form WORD2 which is in more common use that WORD1?
[17:54:03] <gozar> GrandFireWizard, I ran MATE for over a year, I was very happy with it and the performance.
[17:59:39] <chromas> Windows has virtual desktops enabled by default now
[18:00:58] <chromas> If they could just round up the contents of their 5+ control panels
[18:03:46] <gozar> macOS has the best virtual desktop handling across multiple monitors.
[18:04:09] <gozar> But, that's because I like each monitor to be independent.
[18:06:31] <chromas> Enlightenment's the only Linux WM that I know of that allows separate switching per screen. Sad panda.
[18:45:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meg Whitman-Run Streaming Service "Quibi" Launches, Reception Mixed - https://sylnt.us - short-sighted?
[20:37:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Movie Company Boss Urges U.S. Senators to Make "Streaming Piracy" a Felony - https://sylnt.us - return-of-usenet-rar-files
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