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[00:07:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How China Built Facial Recognition for People Wearing Masks - https://sylnt.us - the-eyes-are-the-window
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[00:43:28] <Teckla> This is a very very important PSA: https://twitter.com
[00:43:29] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[01:15:04] <FatPhil> are we suposed to play that video every time we go into the bathroom?
[01:33:16] <chromas> Privacy is for chumps. Just do it right there in the office
[01:46:24] <FatPhil> Right, that was a useful meeting, we now have our business plan for the future. We're going to transport 5G over Blockchain. Who wants to invest?
[01:47:30] <FatPhil> I thought with Trump's new EATME bill, privacy was now illegal.
[02:26:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Novel System Allows Untethered High-Quality Multi-Player VR - https://sylnt.us - amazing-if-true
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[04:47:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Estimating Food Production in an Urban Landscape - https://sylnt.us - My-urban-area-has-a-farm,-E-I-E-I-O
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[07:17:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASCAR and F1 Launch Virtual Racing Series Amid Shutdown of Most Professional Sports - https://sylnt.us - need-something-to-broadcast-to-get-advertising-$$$
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[09:36:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Long Narrow Wires Carry Heat With Little Resistance - https://sylnt.us - phonon-superhighway
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[10:25:44] <Soybull> I think the Hudson Twins are having emotional moments. The social distancing thing is affecting them.
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[10:34:44] <GrandFireWizard> Australia has shut down. https://soylentnews.org
[10:34:45] <systemd> ^ 03Australia Shuts Down for COVID-19: SoylentNews Submission
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[11:03:21] <chromas> Hdh
[11:03:26] <chromas> Heh
[11:04:05] <chromas> So they can take dropbears and spiders and abbos but a little covanic panic and they completely shut down
[11:08:59] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:08:59] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5148
[11:10:00] <Bytram> cmn32480: Looks like exec started pining for the fjords this morning at ~05:31 UTC
[11:10:14] <Bytram> ~time
[11:14:15] <chromas> pining for the fnords
[11:25:15] <Bytram> LOL!
[11:25:34] <Bytram> So, looking for nothing? Does it get its chicks for free?
[11:27:20] <Bytram> chromas++ Good morning! I don't know if you log invocations of your tools, but just wanted you to know that I now make extensive use of "=cite" and "=submit" as well as "=g" and "=yt"
[11:27:20] <Bender> karma - chromas: 276
[11:28:11] <chromas> I should. It'd probably make debugging easier. Sounds like work though
[11:28:38] * chromas saw that =cite call that didn't work earlier
[11:28:54] <Bytram> I don't mind at all!
[11:29:25] <Bytram> I knew it was a "hail mary" when I started and quite frankly would have been amazed if it worked!
[11:29:39] <Bytram> That said, it's easy to try... so why not?
[11:30:17] <Bytram> Ultimately, ISTM that Science had a bunch of JS and/or redirection to purposely block bots from getting info.
[11:30:22] <Bytram> their loss.
[11:31:07] <chromas> What happens is it grabs the page, then tries to parse it and stuff then the thread just sorta stops
[11:31:43] <Bytram> Ultimately, I am usually able to get cite info through a search on the paper's title and finding other places where it was published and which include a reference to the original paper, there.
[11:32:27] <Bytram> And, oftentimes, the primary reason I do =cite is to try and make sure I have a consistent layout for the site
[11:32:32] <Bytram> Hmmm...
[11:33:22] <Bytram> Could you possibly preface the output from =cite with: "<p><b>Journal Reference</b>:<br>" and then what you would otherwise output?
[11:34:33] <chromas> I can
[11:34:53] <Bytram> I dunno if should be all on one line, or a separate line (don't recall how long your bot citations get... IIRC, it does not gather all the authors, so that tends to dramatically shorten how long it gets)
[11:37:30] <Bytram> Hmmm, what is the longest line that IRC clients output before forcing a line break? I suspect it depends on the client? Or is that off in an IRC somewhere?
[11:38:22] <chromas> It's both a server and client setting
[11:38:55] <chromas> This server takes just a bit over 400 bytes and/or characters per message
[11:39:29] <chromas> =threadcount
[11:39:29] <systemd> 20
[11:39:59] <Bytram> so a limit on input... I'm more concerned atm on output line-length limitations.
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[11:41:09] <Bytram> here comes a 520 char string:
[11:41:10] <Bytram> 123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123456789s123456789t123456789u123456789v123456789w123456789x123456789y123456789z123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123
[11:41:10] <Bytram> 456789s123456789t123456789u123456789v123456789w123456789x123456789y123456789z
[11:41:34] <GrandFireWizard> nice way to check the length
[11:42:00] <chromas> I got 444 chars
[11:42:47] <Bytram> 123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123456789s123456789t123456789u123456789v123456789w123456789x123456789y123456789z123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r1234
[11:42:52] <Bytram> 123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123456789s123456789t123456789u123456789v123456789w123456789x123456789y123456789z123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123
[11:42:53] <Bytram> 45
[11:43:37] <Bytram> 1...r1234 == 444 characters
[11:43:55] <Bytram> 1...r123 == 443 characters
[11:43:58] <chromas> wc could be doin' it wrong though since 444+78 don't add up to 520. Maybe it inserts a newline or something?
[11:44:44] <Bytram> length(CRLF ) == 2 which is greater than length(\n) which is 1
[11:45:03] <chromas> Yeah. If I put both your first two messages together then it says 521 characters, so it's secretly counting something extra
[11:45:55] <Bytram> so, IF IT WILL FIT, it will output 444 characters, if it will require adding a line break, then it truncates at 443 and then puts the rest onto the next line?
[11:46:03] <Bytram> nodnod
[11:47:09] <chromas> I haven't looked at the charybdis config, but the limit may be the entire message, which includes the channel name, so a shorter channel name would allow more characters in the message
[11:47:26] <Bytram> here comes a longer one...
[11:47:27] <Bytram> A123456789B123456789C123456789D123456789E123456789F123456789G123456789H123456789I123456789J123456789K123456789L123456789M123456789N123456789O123456789P123456789Q123456789R123456789S123456789T123456789U123456789V123456789W123456789X123456789Y123456789Z123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k123456789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123456789s12
[11:47:27] <Bytram> 3456789t123456789u123456789v123456789w123456789x123456789y123456789z123456789A123456789B123456789C123456789D123456789E123456789F123456789G123456789H123456789I123456789J123456789K123456789L123456789M123456789N123456789O123456789P123456789Q123456789R123456789S123456789T123456789U123456789V123456789W123456789X123456789Y123456789Z123456789a123456789b123456789c123456789d123456789e123456789f123456789g123456789h123456789i123456789j123456789k12345
[11:47:29] <Bytram> 6789l123456789m123456789n123456789o123456789p123456789q123456789r123456789s123456789t123456789u123456789v123456789w123456789x123456789y123456789z123456789
[11:47:36] <Bytram> now join me in @qa
[11:48:17] <Bytram> Seems to confirm your assertion.
[11:48:43] <Bytram> let's try #dev which has one more char in the channel name
[11:49:14] <chromas> ya'know, channels can start with other characters besides #, but @ isn't one of them
[11:49:27] * chromas pedantics :D
[11:49:28] <Bytram> TIL!
[11:49:37] <Bytram> mere see!
[11:50:06] <Bytram> you wouldn't happen to know offhand what the limit is on the maximum length of a channel name?
[11:50:12] * Bytram guesses 32
[11:50:24] <Bytram> =g IRC longest channel name
[11:50:25] <systemd> https://tools.ietf.org - RFC 2812 - Internet Relay Chat: Client Protocol
[11:50:31] <Bytram> LOL
[11:50:46] <chromas> I don't. Should be in the config file on whatever box irc's on though
[11:50:51] * chromas doesn't remember which one's who
[11:50:52] <Bytram> =g IRC maximum length of a channel name
[11:50:53] <systemd> https://www.ietf.org - RFC 1459
[11:51:01] <Bytram> okaay then
[11:52:17] <chromas> That doc says messages should be limited to 512 chars, including the CRLF terminator
[11:52:41] <Bytram> from RFC 1459:
[11:52:48] <Bytram> A channel is a named group of one or more clients which will all
[11:52:48] <Bytram> receive messages addressed to that channel. The channel is created
[11:52:48] <Bytram> implicitly when the first client joins it, and the channel ceases to
[11:52:48] <Bytram> exist when the last client leaves it. While channel exists, any
[11:52:48] <Bytram> client can reference the channel using the name of the channel.
[11:52:49] <Bytram> Channels names are strings (beginning with a '&' or '#' character) of
[11:52:51] <Bytram> length up to 200 characters. Apart from the the requirement that the
[11:52:53] <Bytram> first character being either '&' or '#'; the only restriction on a
[11:52:55] <Bytram> channel name is that it may not contain any spaces (' '), a control G
[11:52:56] <Bytram> (^G or ASCII 7), or a comma (',' which is used as a list item
[11:52:58] <Bytram> separator by the protocol).
[11:53:01] <Bytram> There are two types of channels allowed by this protocol. One is a
[11:53:05] <Bytram> distributed channel which is known to all the servers that are
[11:53:25] <Bytram> huh, RFC 2812:
[11:53:33] <chromas> hard_wrapping--
[11:53:34] <Bender> karma - hard_wrapping: -2
[11:54:17] <Bytram> Channels names are strings (beginning with a '&', '#', '+' or '!'
[11:54:17] <Bytram> character) of length up to fifty (50) characters. Apart from the
[11:54:17] <Bytram> requirement that the first character is either '&', '#', '+' or '!',
[11:54:17] <Bytram> the only restriction on a channel name is that it SHALL NOT contain
[11:54:17] <Bytram> any spaces (' '), a control G (^G or ASCII 7), a comma (','). Space
[11:54:17] <Bytram> is used as parameter separator and command is used as a list item
[11:54:19] <Bytram> separator by the protocol). A colon (':') can also be used as a
[11:54:21] <Bytram> See the protocol grammar rules (section 2.3.1) for the exact syntax
[11:54:23] <Bytram> of a channel name.
[11:54:25] <Bytram> Each prefix characterizes a different channel type. The definition
[11:54:27] <Bytram> of the channel types is not relevant to the client-server protocol
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[11:54:29] <Bytram> and thus it is beyond the scope of this document. More details can
[11:54:31] <Bytram> be found in "Internet Relay Chat: Channel Management" [IRC-CHAN].
[11:54:35] <Bytram> ...
[11:54:53] <Bytram> well, you DO get the name of the channel when you get the request, right?
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[11:55:42] <Bytram> available_chars = 440 - length($channel_name)
[11:55:48] <chromas> Yeah. A message would look something like PRIVMSG #soylent :Yeah. A message would look something like PRIVMSG #soylent :Yeah. A message would look something like PRIVMSG #soylent :Yeah. A message would look something like PRIVMSG #soylent :Yeah. A message would look something like PRIVMSG #soylent :
[11:55:58] <Bytram> gives a little safety margin while we are at it.
[11:56:14] <chromas> recursion++
[11:56:14] <Bender> karma - recursion: 7
[11:56:24] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Curiosity Mars Rover Takes A New Selfie Before Record Climb - https://sylnt.us - camera-on-a-stick
[11:56:36] <chromas> I think you dropped a line in your paste though
[11:56:52] <chromas> "separator by the protocol). A colon (':') can also be used as a
[11:56:52] <chromas> See the protocol grammar rules (section 2.3.1) for the exact syntax"
[11:58:44] <Bytram> could well be... they had a page break (with title, page #, etc) in the middle of it, so copy/paste/edit/copy/paste
[11:58:55] <Bytram> I made have a line or two
[11:59:21] <Bytram> lets try again for RFC 2812:
[11:59:24] <Bytram> Channels names are strings (beginning with a '&', '#', '+' or '!'
[11:59:25] <Bytram> character) of length up to fifty (50) characters. Apart from the
[11:59:25] <Bytram> requirement that the first character is either '&', '#', '+' or '!',
[11:59:25] <Bytram> the only restriction on a channel name is that it SHALL NOT contain
[11:59:25] <Bytram> any spaces (' '), a control G (^G or ASCII 7), a comma (','). Space
[11:59:25] <Bytram> is used as parameter separator and command is used as a list item
[11:59:27] <Bytram> separator by the protocol). A colon (':') can also be used as a
[11:59:29] <Bytram> delimiter for the channel mask. Channel names are case insensitive.
[11:59:31] <Bytram> See the protocol grammar rules (section 2.3.1) for the exact syntax
[11:59:35] <Bytram> of a channel name.
[11:59:37] <Bytram> Each prefix characterizes a different channel type. The definition
[11:59:39] <Bytram> of the channel types is not relevant to the client-server protocol
[11:59:41] <Bytram> and thus it is beyond the scope of this document. More details can
[11:59:43] <Bytram> be found in "Internet Relay Chat: Channel Management" [IRC-CHAN].
[12:00:24] <chromas> That's better
[12:00:35] <Bytram> NOTE: RFC 2812 says: Updates: 1459
[12:00:42] <chromas> Hehe, ~last nick=Bytram count=15
[12:01:01] <Bytram> ~time x
[12:01:25] <Bytram> exec is off pining for the fjords... how'd you do that?
[12:01:44] <Bytram> oops... lost trac of time.
[12:01:54] <Bytram> gtg back in a bit over an hour
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[14:18:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Mirai Variant ‘Mukashi’ Targets Zyxel NAS Devices - https://sylnt.us - compromising-position
[14:47:13] <Bytram> =g JAWS screen reader
[14:47:14] <systemd> https://www.freedomscientific.com - JAWS® – Freedom Scientific
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[14:51:40] <Bytram> =g screen reader
[14:51:41] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Screen reader - Wikipedia
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[16:36:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Researchers Invent Method To Unlock Potential Of Widely Used Drug - https://sylnt.us - sweet!
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[18:56:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fish Scales Could Make Wearable Electronics More Sustainable - https://sylnt.us - wear-a-haddock-on-your-wrist
[18:57:21] <Bytram> =yt fish heads fish heads rolly polly fish heads
[18:57:23] <systemd> https://youtube.com - " Fish Heads " 80's MTV video by Barnes & Barnes (2:36)
[19:08:35] <chromas> Do you suppose there's going to be a baby boom after this coronation? Will the generation be called Coronials?
[19:12:20] <janrinok> it took me a second or two the spot the corona/coronation link - we still have a royal family as do many countries in Europe. I thought somebody had died...
[19:17:56] <chromas> Well actually
[19:18:18] <chromas> Kenny Rogers just died the other day
[19:18:28] <chromas> no more danger zone
[19:26:57] <janrinok> lol - he was a king but not actually royalty in most European eyes
[19:27:59] <janrinok> he didn't just die - he well and truly died, he did it properly, no sodding about doing things in half-measures
[19:33:26] <FatPhil> island in the stream
[19:33:35] <FatPhil> that is what we are
[19:33:42] <FatPhil> never heard of the guy
[19:41:30] <janrinok> lol
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[20:06:26] <gozar> chromas, Danger Zone is Kenny Loggins, not Kenny Rogers. :-)
[20:07:04] <chromas> Oh yeah. Well I guess his death wasn't so bad then :D
[20:07:11] <janrinok> lol
[20:07:17] <janrinok> harsh but funny
[20:07:50] <janrinok> laters guys
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[20:20:53] <gozar> I assume Kenny Loggins is doing the music for the new Top Gun movie, and that he's done with that.
[20:26:35] <FatPhil> "new top gun movie" is a concept that worries me
[20:27:30] <FatPhil> will it be more homoerotoric than the previous one?
[20:27:45] <gozar> The latest trailer isn't as good as the earlier trailers.
[20:27:58] <gozar> But I think there is still a beach volleyball scene.
[20:39:13] <chromas> I hope so
[20:40:06] <chromas> Gotta get my fill of oiled up muscly men playing with their balls
[20:55:38] <Bytram> !grab chromas
[20:55:38] <Bender> Added quote 949
[21:01:56] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
[21:16:07] <AzumaHazuki> i have never heard of mens' beach volleyball
[21:16:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Git Our App: We Love Open Source, but Not Enough to Share Code for Our Own Mobile App - https://sylnt.us - don't-want-no-stinkin'-free-fixes
[21:22:51] <chromas> Maybe it's yet another Hollywood myth.
[21:24:35] * Bytram is about to push the "Skip to comment(s)" update to prod.
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[21:30:19] <FatPhil> How can I grab Axuma?
[21:31:04] <FatPhil> !grab AzumaHazuki
[21:31:04] <Bender> Added quote 950
[21:31:09] <FatPhil> hat's how
[21:31:17] <FatPhil> I love this keyboard
[21:31:21] <AzumaHazuki> you can't. only my girlfriend can grab me
[21:31:35] * FatPhil steps back
[21:32:23] <FatPhil> i'm reticent to ~gday you after earlier, apologies
[21:34:53] <chromas> ~g'day reticence
[21:35:02] <chromas> he ded
[21:35:05] <chromas> =g'day reticence
[21:35:05] * systemd whole-heartedly coalesces a raid 10 volume of boots with reticence
[21:37:45] <FatPhil> Fuckit, I'll do it...
[21:37:53] <FatPhil> But I'll test it on you first
[21:39:56] <FatPhil> ~gday chromas
[21:40:22] <chromas> =g'beer FatPhil
[21:40:22] * systemd inadequately pits a tub of goathead thorns against FatPhil
[21:40:34] <FatPhil> =gday chromas
[21:40:34] * systemd deviously vomits a stash of mega-potions on chromas
[21:40:48] <chromas> hells yeah. I'm healed for life
[21:41:01] <FatPhil> =gday AzumaHazuki
[21:41:01] * systemd explicitly crossbreeds a staff of pulled pork with AzumaHazuki
[21:41:03] * chromas checks mana
[21:41:32] <AzumaHazuki> ...i have my own pork staff now? there's an entire genre of porn dedicated to that trope i bet
[21:41:51] <chromas> There'd better be
[22:12:40] <Bytram> =g rule 41
[22:12:41] <systemd> https://www.law.cornell.edu - Rule 41. Dismissal of Actions | Federal Rules of Civil Procedure | US ...
[22:12:45] <Bytram> LOL!
[22:18:33] <chromas> try 34
[22:27:24] <AndyTheAbsurd> any "proof" that you think you have seen is really just false memories implanted via mind-control rays emanating from government-controlled drones that *appear* to be birds.
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[23:18:12] * Deucalion dust out #soylent fireplace, add tinder and kindling to fireplace, place fire wand below kindling.
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