#soylent | Logs for 2020-03-19

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[23:51:03] <Bender> karma - bytram: 133
[23:51:03] <FatPhil> Bytram++ if so
[23:42:14] * exec points at Bytram
[23:42:13] <Fnord666> ~blame
[23:37:53] <FatPhil> who came up with the the dept. line for that story, I demand to know!
[23:36:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ancient Teeth Reveal Bronze Age Gender Inequality - https://sylnt.us - you-are-what-you...wheat?
[23:29:32] <FatPhil> what a marvelous hodge-podge of a movie
[22:58:35] <FatPhil> oops, meant /Things to Come/
[22:34:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> would its name be Jürgen or would its name be Karl?
[22:33:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> If the abyss had a name
[22:18:34] <FatPhil> n.w. /The Shape Of Things/ (1936)
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[21:46:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Insights into US Flood Vulnerability Revealed from Flood Insurance Big Data - https://sylnt.us - had-a-sinking-feeling
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[20:27:28] <Bytram> see, also: https://github.com
[20:27:06] <Bytram> from here: https://github.com
[20:27:03] <Bytram> .
[20:26:50] <Bytram> =cite http://dx.doi.org
[20:26:46] <Bytram> whoops!
[20:26:44] <systemd> ^ 03Raising girls and boys in early China: Stable isotope data reveal sex differences in weaning and childhood diets during the eastern Zhou era ( https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com )
[20:26:41] <Bytram> http://dx.doi.org
[20:26:40] <Bytram> got it from here:
[20:23:36] <chromas> That is more informative. I didn't get the second line
[20:22:56] <Bytram> ERROR: This video is unavailable.
[20:22:56] <Bytram> [youtube] Downloading just video _a_RV5UY8mk because of --no-playlist
[20:22:56] <Bytram> [youtube] _a_RV5UY8mk: Downloading webpage
[20:22:55] <Bytram> ==>
[20:22:54] <systemd> ^ 03The Race All-Star esports Battle Rd. 2 - Bahrain F1 GP alt. event (rFactor 2 + surprise circuit) ( https://www.youtube.com )
[20:22:52] <Bytram> youtube-dl --continue --list-formats --no-playlist https://youtube.com
[20:21:27] <Bytram> s/-/./g
[20:21:20] <Bytram> oh.
[20:21:16] <Bytram> I now have: 2020-03-8
[20:21:06] <Bytram> I *was* using 2020-03-01
[20:20:16] <Bytram> well, there WAS a newer version of ytdl out there... let's see what happens, now.
[20:20:07] <FatPhil> apparently the latest youtube-dl gives a more meaningful error message, I should upgrade
[20:19:19] <FatPhil> ah, it's a future stream!
[20:19:02] <Bytram> maybe my youtube-dl needs an update? BRB
[20:18:32] <systemd> https://youtube.com - The Race All-Star esports Battle Rd. 2 - Bahrain F1 GP alt. event (rFactor 2 + surprise circuit) (0)
[20:18:31] <Bytram> =yt The Race All-Star esports Battle Rd. 2 - Bahrain F1 GP alt. event (rFactor 2 + surprise circuit)
[20:18:05] <Bytram> youtube-dl, for me, "said": "This video is unavailable."
[20:14:24] <FatPhil> youtube-dl is just failing with this: ERROR: This video is unavailable.
[20:13:45] <systemd> ^ 03The Race All-Star esports Battle Rd. 2 - Bahrain F1 GP alt. event (rFactor 2 + surprise circuit)
[20:13:44] <FatPhil> can anyone in places-not-here play https://www.youtube.com ?
[20:05:33] <chromas> looks like AndyTheAbsurd's got some bork in his utf-8
[19:57:47] <janrinok> gtg - laters guys
[19:55:26] <janrinok> ah!
[19:55:20] <chromas> the quotes file
[19:53:11] <janrinok> ... of what?
[19:52:46] * chromas is number 0!
[19:52:33] <chromas> Sweet! I'm at the top
[19:46:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 7.5-Inch E-Ink Display is Powered Completely by Near Field Communication (NFC) - https://sylnt.us - almost-magic
[19:22:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> There we go, cert fixed. Had to restart nginx.
[19:19:57] <janrinok> I was typing that very phrase in a comment earlier
[19:18:44] <cmn32480> f**k beta!
[19:17:20] <janrinok> he's been waiting months for someone to mention beta
[19:17:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> it's in https://absurdly-useful.systems (but apparently I need to go fix the cert again).
[19:16:49] <cmn32480> I am impressed that you pulled it so quickly from thin air
[19:15:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> I think of that every time "beta testing" gets mentioned.
[19:15:28] <cmn32480> lol
[19:15:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> [09:21:36] <+TheMightyBuzzard> which i'm still hoping turns at least one of you into a big green rage monster
[19:15:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> [09:21:04] <+TheMightyBuzzard> but we can't call anything beta so we skip it entirely and go to gamma testing on you lot.
[19:15:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> [09:20:39] <+TheMightyBuzzard> we got no beta testers using dev so it's strictly an in-house alpha
[19:14:32] <cmn32480> and phse 1 is more like Alpha code
[19:13:59] <cmn32480> beta? ewwwww too many bugs!
[19:13:20] <AndyTheAbsurd> there's at least one company with something in testing, but it's still in beta testing with a limited group of users.
[19:13:07] <cmn32480> I think that patch is the lime
[19:12:39] <janrinok> yep - apply the patch and it makes you throw up the beer.... ooh, not that corona thing?
[19:11:44] <cmn32480> Have they released an anti-virus patch for this corona thing yet?
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[17:55:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mathematicians Develop New Theory to Explain Real-World Randomness - https://sylnt.us - entirely-random-theory
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[16:05:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Precision Mirrors Poised to Improve Sensitivity of Gravitational Wave Detectors - https://sylnt.us - time-for-reflection
[15:46:25] <Bytram> thanks again for the help and great ideas!
[15:46:14] <Bytram> actually, think I'll run out and do some errands. back in couple-three hours.
[15:44:44] <Bytram> way past time for breakfast... biab
[15:40:47] <Bytram> brilliant!!!!!!!!
[15:40:44] <FatPhil> you don't even need the 'a', then you can hide *anything*
[15:40:05] <AndyTheAbsurd> you could add a class "hideOnMain" to the <a> tag and change the "b a {" part to "b a.hideOnMain {" and I think it will leak less.
[15:38:53] <Bytram> induvetably!
[15:38:06] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: It leaks a little, but seems to basically do the trick... I'll have to play with it now, but at least I know I have a working prototype to work from! Thanks so much!
[15:38:06] <FatPhil> You're trying to tell me that the modern web is <duvet> soup
[15:36:22] <Bytram> something for those who have style and want to get some sleep?
[15:36:01] <FatPhil> What's a style sheet?
[15:35:49] <FatPhil> But does it work for those of us who use lynx ;-)
[15:35:25] <FatPhil> It needs recording in the wiki or something.
[15:35:11] <FatPhil> that's an awesome hack!
[15:32:30] <Bytram> And now you have the answer to life, the universe, and everything!
[15:32:01] <Bender> karma - andytheabsurd: 42
[15:32:01] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd++
[15:31:58] <Bytram> hmmm, don't know that I can put a proper <style> tag in there, but I'll give it a try... thanks!!!!!!!!
[15:28:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> Inside the <b> tag but above the <a> tag.
[15:28:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> This seems to work: <style>html body div#frame div#contents div#index div#articles div.article div.linkCommentPage span.nbutton b a { display: none; }</style>
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[15:21:52] <Bytram> nodnod; no hurries! thanks for even considering it! And Good Luck!!!!!
[15:20:54] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm in the middle of a meeting and have IRC up on my 2nd screen, so I'm not see much of anything except my co-worker's screen share right now.
[15:19:24] <Bytram> that is what I am trying to manipulate
[15:19:12] <Bytram> see the "[Skip to comment(s)]" button?
[15:18:51] <systemd> ^ 03When the Satellite Network Has Literally Gone Glacial, It's Vital You Snow Your Enemy - Dev.SN
[15:18:50] <Bytram> (2) in a story window: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:18:42] <systemd> ^ 03Dev.SN: Dev.SN &hearts developers
[15:18:40] <Bytram> (1) on the main page: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[15:18:32] <Bytram> examples:
[15:17:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> I'm 90% sure that the thing you originally proposed will not work, but I'm not an expert in HTML/CSS either.
[15:17:17] <Bytram> If it would help, I can get the XPATH or CSS path for each of those.
[15:16:52] <AndyTheAbsurd> But that depends on how different the HTML between main page and article page is.
[15:16:40] <Bytram> but, before I go off experimenting, I'd like to know what I am trying actually works.
[15:16:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> If it doesn't, maybe you could get away with putting one in that would set to display or not depending on where in the DOM tree the <a> tag is.
[15:16:04] <Bytram> from a story submission, yes. As an editor, I can get away with a few more things.
[15:15:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> would the editor reject an inline <style> tag?
[15:13:21] <Bytram> I fully expect that not to work, but thought I'd put that out here to see if anyone has any suggestions.
[15:11:42] <Bytram> Without accessing the CSS for a document, I would like to conditionally display an HML anchor contained in a story; I want it not visible on the SoylentNews main page, but I *DO* want it to appear when someone opens the story in a new tab or page.
[15:10:06] <Bytram> silly-ish question HTML/CSS question? I seriously doubt it would work, but what happens if I have a construct like this: <a href="URL" style="div#content-area #navigation {color: 'red'}">link text</a>
[15:07:35] <Bytram> same
[15:07:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> so...sometimes accurate.
[15:07:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> played by Bobcat Goldthwait
[15:06:21] <Bytram> sorry, not familiar
[15:06:04] <boru> That is the most absurd sounding person that I could come up with on the spot.
[15:05:35] <boru> I always assumed AndyTheAbsurd sounds very absurd like Zed from Police Academy.
[15:05:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yes, but mostly because we assume that you sound like Gilbert Gottfried.
[15:05:04] <boru> Yes, but it's not personal.
[15:04:37] <Bytram> So, you are glad you can't hear me?
[15:04:06] <boru> Understandable. I am very happy when I hear people not making any sounds.
[15:03:47] <Bytram> ASMR signifies the subjective experience of "low-grade euphoria" characterized by "a combination of positive feelings and a distinct static-like tingling sensation on the skin". It is most commonly triggered by specific auditory or visual stimuli, and less commonly by intentional attention control.[1][8] A genre of videos which intend to stimulate ASMR has emerged, of which over 13 million are published on YouTube.[9]
[15:03:47] <Bytram> ==> Autonomous sensory meridian response (ASMR), sometimes auto sensory meridian response,[2][3][4] is a tingling sensation that typically begins on the scalp and moves down the back of the neck and upper spine. A pleasant form of paresthesia,[5] it has been compared with auditory-tactile synesthesia[6][7] and may overlap with frisson.
[15:03:01] <Bytram> ^^ that's the one!
[15:02:55] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Autonomous sensory meridian response - Wikipedia
[15:02:54] <Bytram> =g asmr
[15:02:43] <Bytram> nope! There are some people who, when they hear whispers, gentle crinkling, scratching sounds and the like... sets off happy feelings for them.
[15:00:55] <boru> Why are they speaking softly? An effort to avoid google's pervasive censorship?
[14:59:53] <Bytram> inz: tru dat!
[14:59:36] <Bytram> what's the acronym for really softly spoken sounds and the like which has become very popular on, say, YouTube of late?
[14:59:30] <inz> -e
[14:59:26] <inz> The R it that could as well bee Randomization, at least if you concider yt's automatic captioning
[14:58:00] <boru> Good guess, but rather Automated Speech Recognition.
[14:57:43] <Bytram> boru: ASR Address Space Randomization? =)
[14:53:57] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Pandemic “will Last 18 Months or Longer,” Leaked US Gov’t Report Warns" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:53:43] <AzumaHazuki> this is what i'd been suspecting from the start
[14:53:36] <systemd> Submitting "Pandemic “will last 18 months or longer,” leaked US gov’t report warns"...
[14:53:34] <AzumaHazuki> =submit https://arstechnica.com from the don't-tell-anyone-my-stock-portfolio-is-at-risk dept.
[14:42:44] <boru> Displays which emit cyanide aerosols into the elevator to cure illness.
[14:41:40] <boru> Hmm, perhaps there is a market opportunity here.
[14:41:14] <boru> ASR probably wouldn't be effective, since everyone is wearing those masks.
[14:40:35] <boru> This would actually be one of the only useful reasons to use any of those augmented reality devices.
[14:39:46] <boru> Or a very fast switching tunable laser.
[14:39:16] <boru> Or two arrays of lasers.
[14:38:58] <FatPhil> that's smoke and mirrors, I think this is just mirrors
[14:35:35] <boru> But you'd either need to fill the elevator with the aerosol, or have the users touch something physical, which would defeat the purpose.
[14:34:58] <boru> With volumetric displays, you can create a display that is view-able from all angles but (the last time I looked), it requires a vapour filled with rubidium doped aerosol lasers, and mirrors on very fast actuators; the scattering ensures it's viewable from all angles.
[14:30:56] <FatPhil> it's china - they're all short!
[14:25:09] <Bytram> so... short people vs tall people? Or is there a camera facing out to make adjustments as to where different people perceive the keys to be?
[14:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Digital Surveillance of Citizens Deployed in COVID-19 Fight, Rules Send Genie Back to the Bottle - https://sylnt.us - give-them-a-millimeter...
[14:16:38] <FatPhil> yup, it's a virtual image of a keypad, and you touch air where you think the button is
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[14:13:33] <Bytram> so... the video is unclear to me. Did the user never touch the display? I.e. everything was done in "mid air"?
[14:09:39] <boru> Neat. Volumetric displays are cool.
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[13:45:48] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
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[13:04:52] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5145
[13:04:52] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:36:49] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5144
[12:36:49] <cmn32480> coffee++
[12:25:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Adobe Discloses Dozens of Critical Photoshop, Acrobat Reader Flaws - https://sylnt.us - pictures-or-it-didn't-happen
[10:39:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alameda County Sheriff Pressures Tesla to Shut Down Fremont Factory - https://sylnt.us - first-things-first
[08:45:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Research Unpicks Root Causes of Separation Anxiety in Dogs - https://sylnt.us - dogged-determination
[06:57:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Broadcom Sues Netflix for Shrinking Cable Box Market - https://sylnt.us - if-you-aren't-retaining-pay-a-retainer
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[05:06:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Succeeds in Banging Mole With a Shovel - https://sylnt.us - smack-a-mole
[03:48:50] <AzumaHazuki> ahhhh, fresh laundry <3
[03:16:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Pandemic, 3d Printing, and Patents; Update Corrects Initial Reports of Lawsuit Threats - https://sylnt.us - patents-are-more-important-than-patients
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[02:47:32] <Bytram> back (and forth!)
[02:36:33] <Bytram> break time
[02:35:34] <Bytram> that's... cleaner?
[02:35:19] * exec irrevocably experiences a raid 4 volume of SQL injection with Leebert
[02:35:17] <Bytram> ~gnight Leebert
[02:35:16] <Bytram> lemme try that again
[02:34:06] <Leebert> well ok then...
[02:33:04] * exec [deleted] nudges a terabyte of Satya Nadella's anus toward Leebert
[02:33:03] <Bytram> ~gnight Leebert
[02:30:39] <RandomFactor> set a reminder
[02:30:27] <RandomFactor> 's possible
[02:30:20] <Leebert> Talk to you again in, say, 2023?
[02:30:19] <RandomFactor> Night all
[02:30:06] <Leebert> g'night.
[02:29:35] <RandomFactor> It is that time i suppose, even if i dont have to get up to drive into work.
[02:29:10] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[02:29:10] * Bytram yawns
[02:28:42] * RandomFactor misses the dot com boom
[02:28:16] <Leebert> But we literally followed that line of thought when deciding what the business should do.
[02:28:13] <RandomFactor> You may not be able to get toilet paper, I wonder if you can get Bidets though
[02:28:01] <Leebert> That's why my friend and I started a low-voltage cabling business in the late 1990's during the dotcom boom. Still exists, but running a business wasn't for me.
[02:27:03] <Bytram> to make money in a gold rush, sell... picks and shovels.
[02:26:29] <RandomFactor> And a good investment strategy
[02:26:10] <Bytram> well, given the run on toilet paper (bad pun intended), "No shit" could be viewed as an advantage!
[02:25:31] <RandomFactor> I'm sure
[02:25:18] <Leebert> Not sure if genuine surprise or "no shit sherlock". :)
[02:24:27] <Bytram> you don't say!
[02:24:17] <Leebert> Well, astronauts get quarantined before launch, and I imagine that there are protocols for cleaning cargo.
[02:24:08] <RandomFactor> yeah, sorry, i find it hilarious to intentionally misinterpret what people say.
[02:23:25] <Bytram> Wasn't thinking in that direction.... was more thinking about how in the world do you disinfect the entire ISS? Lots bleach (hold your breath?) Don space suits and vent the entire thing to vacuum for a day or two?
[02:23:23] * RandomFactor does a Snoopy dance
[02:23:08] <exec> <RandomFactor> I've heard that rumor too, but I'm pretty sure COVID-19 evolved right here on Earth
[02:23:05] <RandomFactor> s/Covid/COVID/
[02:22:30] <exec> <Leebert> Oh, poop, that makes me wonder if this COVID-19 thing is going to delay the crewed Dragon demo..
[02:22:28] <Leebert> s/CORVID/COVID/
[02:21:57] <RandomFactor> I've heard that rumor too, but I'm pretty sure Covid-19 evolved right here on Earth
[02:21:29] <Bytram> Bugs innnn spaaaaace!
[02:21:18] <RandomFactor> They completed with 8 (go go rocket science) though
[02:21:10] <Bytram> Then again, according to reports, I recall reading that the engines ran a (full duration?) test (on the pad?) prior to the launch.
[02:20:06] <Leebert> Oh, poop, that makes me wonder if this CORVID-19 thing is going to delay the crewed Dragon demo..
[02:20:04] <RandomFactor> They were touting that one of them was on its fifth flight, the most they had flown one. Then one failed :-p
[02:20:02] <Bytram> take a chance on a multi million dollar by chancing I pre-used engine? Nah, just pull it out and put another one in.
[02:19:18] <Bytram> I know of no way to know whether all engines on that Falcon 9 were "original equipment" or, for that matter, if an "reflown" rocket has always had its original rocket engines. Given the assembly-line method of relatively inexpensively manufacturing the Merlin engines, I would be surprised if all of those engines were originals.
[02:14:49] <RandomFactor> We know if that Falcon 9 engine that failed was the five timer?
[02:11:10] <RandomFactor> /subscribe Bytram
[02:10:54] <Bytram> or there is a heat wave and send in more A/C units
[02:10:06] <RandomFactor> “If this tells you where there are new major clusters of fever, it tells you where to swoop in with your test kits.”
[02:08:37] <RandomFactor> So you get a free thermometer and they get free data?
[02:08:15] <RandomFactor> They've given away over a million of them
[02:07:37] <Leebert> There is a difference between knowledge of existence and complete puzzlement over the reason for existence.
[02:06:47] <RandomFactor> kinda the same
[02:06:21] <AzumaHazuki> i am somehow not surprised, but still disappointed
[02:06:21] <RandomFactor> Azuma and Leebert are probably disqualified from answering
[02:06:01] <RandomFactor> Who knew there were internet connected thermometers?
[02:05:48] <systemd> ^ 03Can Smart Thermometers Track the Spread of the Coronavirus?
[02:05:47] <RandomFactor> https://www.nytimes.com
[02:05:35] <Bytram> np, what you do to help with this outbreak is far more important (from the way I see it) than helping out on this site. Would that I had more knowledge in he medical realm so that I could be of more assistance!
[01:59:36] <AzumaHazuki> no problem. i have been doing *zero* editor things. again.
[01:52:41] * Bytram was busy looking at trying to push out a story; sorry for the delayed response!
[01:52:12] <Bytram> that helps a lot, thanks!
[01:45:33] <AzumaHazuki> imagine if you have a room full of bouncy balls and targets, and stuff happens when the balls hit the targets. the balls can bounce out the open doors, though. a reuptake inhibitor closes the doors partway
[01:42:13] <AzumaHazuki> inhibiting reuptake (taking out of circulation) means it hangs around longer where it can do its thing
[01:40:50] <Bytram> Hmm, is it effective when circulating (in the blood stream)? Or when it has latched onto a receptor? or... ?
[01:39:15] <AzumaHazuki> which, all else being equal, means $NEUROTRANSMITTER continues docking with its associated receptors somewhat longer than it would naturally
[01:38:44] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not that good at this myself but, basically "$NEUROTRANSMITTER Reuptake Inhibitor" means "This chemical keeps $NEUROTRANSMITTER circulating and active longer that it would otherwise"
[01:36:58] <Bytram> reuptake inhibition? A receptor just holds on to "it"? Or is slow to rlease it? Or, once having released it, is slow to take it up again? or???? TLI5, please.
[01:36:22] <Leebert> I just finished an EMT program. It's one of the few drugs that they let us glorified Uber drivers administer.
[01:35:07] <AzumaHazuki> always wondered why, and am guessing it's the endocannabinoid reuptake inhibition effect
[01:34:54] <AzumaHazuki> i actually notice a reduction in anxiety after taking tylenol
[01:34:17] <Leebert> Huh. TIL.
[01:34:14] <systemd> ^ 03Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug - Wikipedia
[01:34:13] <Bytram> rest of the body"
[01:34:13] <Bytram> https://en.wikipedia.org "The most prominent NSAIDs are aspirin, ibuprofen, and naproxen, all available over the counter (OTC) in most countries. Paracetamol (acetaminophen) is generally not considered an NSAID because it has only minor anti-inflammatory activity. It treats pain mainly by blocking COX-2 and inhibiting endocannabinoid reuptake almost exclusively within the brain, but not much in the
[01:33:32] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, it works centrally...no anti-inflammatory effects. also one of its metabolites looks like anamdamide, an endogenous cannabinoid :D
[01:31:29] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Paracetamol - Wikipedia
[01:31:28] <Bytram> =g acetaminophen wikipedia
[01:30:10] <Leebert> So I guess I'm switching to acetaminophen! IIRC that's not an NSAID.
[01:23:34] <Leebert> Speaking of flights, at least all of those grounded 737s aren't as big of a deal now...
[01:22:00] <Bytram> =0
[01:21:56] * Bytram books a VERY long flight. If I survive it, that should cover all the bases!
[01:19:26] <Leebert> Sad, but we should all be blessed to live to be 88 and have the opportunity to see the earth from above.
[01:16:57] <RandomFactor> to both
[01:16:50] <RandomFactor> bleh
[01:16:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apollo 15 Astronaut Al Worden, Who Circled Moon, Dies at 88 - https://sylnt.us - RIP
[01:16:08] <Leebert> Offsetting the headache side effect of another medication I've been using more than normal.
[01:14:59] <RandomFactor> @leebert why for you scarfing painkillers?
[01:13:44] <RandomFactor> Exec hates me
[01:13:21] <RandomFactor> s/satument/statement
[01:12:31] <AzumaHazuki> come on now, Uzzard and Runaway lurk here and Eth occasionally pops in to drop trou and grace us all with a round of spurting projectile diarrhea
[01:12:12] <RandomFactor> Also, and i know this will come as a surprise, they got a statument from (Pfizer?) about it, which amounted to "That's crazy talk! Our product is great!"
[01:11:11] <Leebert> My career aspiration is to always be the dumbest person in the room. But man, y'all don't have to remind me that it extends to IRC as well. :)
[01:09:35] <AzumaHazuki> the sad thing is, it might actually BE fun for me
[01:08:23] <RandomFactor> you should read respiratory medicine journals for fun (so the rest of us can happily continue not doing so)
[01:07:49] <AzumaHazuki> I did not know ACE2 upregulation was a class effect of the thiazolidinedione class, either
[01:07:26] <AzumaHazuki> now, the question here is, if the ACE2 receptors are expressed more on "safe" tissues rather the the lungs or heart, would that actually *help?*
[01:06:51] <RandomFactor> "ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen."
[01:06:50] <AzumaHazuki> a-ha...
[01:06:13] <RandomFactor> ". Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19."
[01:05:45] <Leebert> (joke from memory; too lazy to look up exact wording)
[01:05:43] <systemd> ^ 03Are patients with hypertension and diabetes mellitus at increased risk for COVID-19 infection?
[01:05:40] <RandomFactor> https://www.thelancet.com(20)30116-8/fulltext
[01:05:28] <Leebert> inappropriate ioctl() for device
[01:05:03] * AzumaHazuki cat /dev/hazuki/face > /mnt/desk
[01:04:46] <AzumaHazuki> ooooooof course not. perrr~kele
[01:04:07] <RandomFactor> I'm trying to find that, that apparently isn't considered important information
[01:03:01] <AzumaHazuki> hmm, wonder which one?
[01:02:33] <RandomFactor> "A recent study in The Lancet medical journal, theorizing that an enzyme boosted by ibuprofen could enable and exacerbate COVID-19 infections, led France's Health Minister Olivier Veran to suggest via social media that the medicine be avoided."
[01:02:05] <systemd> ^ 03World Health Organization backs call to avoid ibuprofen for coronavirus
[01:02:04] <RandomFactor> https://www.jpost.com
[01:01:41] <Leebert> That's scary since I've been eating NSAIDs like candy for the past week or so.
[01:00:39] <systemd> ^ 03No evidence ibuprofen worsens coronavirus: EU drugs watchdog
[01:00:39] <RandomFactor> Here's one disputing: https://www.aljazeera.com
[01:00:09] <AzumaHazuki> COX isoenzymes are part of the inflammatory process. blocking them reduces the production of certain prostaglandins
[01:00:07] <RandomFactor> DOn't recall the article mentioning that...lemms go find it
[00:59:44] <AzumaHazuki> NSAIDs are cyclooxygenase inhibitors...was that the one?
[00:59:31] <RandomFactor> saw it in passing earlier
[00:59:21] <RandomFactor> i'll have to go hunt it down
[00:59:17] <RandomFactor> that was in play
[00:59:13] <RandomFactor> it wasn't fever, something about enhancing an enzyme action
[00:58:51] <AzumaHazuki> the ibuprofen thing would extend to all NSAIDs and aspirin as well, because they reduce fever. remember fever is nature's antiviral (when it doesn't kill you)
[00:57:28] <RandomFactor> nod
[00:57:20] <exec> <Leebert> Maybe not a bad time too watch The Andromeda Strain, to.
[00:57:19] <Leebert> s/to/too/
[00:57:11] <Leebert> Maybe not a bad time to watch The Andromeda Strain, to.
[00:56:35] <RandomFactor> "Outbreak" is popular on Netflix.
[00:54:06] <RandomFactor> Current rumor is that ibuprofin may not mix well with Coronavirus. Disputed.
[00:52:54] <RandomFactor> Well that was interesting. Friend i haven't talked to in 10-15 years just called. Guess i'm not the only one with cabin fever.
[00:33:06] <Leebert> I'm not a prepper, but I do have a decent stockpile of Tyvek coveralls, so I'd prefer that over 20-ply TP.
[00:30:53] <FatPhil> made of 20-plies of toilet paper, bien sur.
[00:28:41] <Leebert> With full PPE, of course.
[00:28:23] <FatPhil> reach out and touch other members of the community?
[00:27:52] <FatPhil> #NotAllMenInTheUSA
[00:27:38] <Bytram> and, just as heinous as some cities seem to be, others are as far on the other end of the spectrum. Recognizing this is a community-wide situation where everyone is potentially at risk, and with extra time on their hands, many folk have taken steps to see how they can reach out and help other members of their community!
[00:26:03] <Leebert> And to be clear, I don't enjoy shitting on Baltimore; it's my home town and it breaks my heart to see it in such an unspeakably awful condition.
[00:25:10] <RandomFactor> ^---- This
[00:24:47] <Leebert> Although it bears repeating: Baltimore is in no way representative of most of the US. It and a few other cities are worlds unto their own.
[00:23:18] <Leebert> I literally posted that article, complete with that exact quote, to my work team's Slack.
[00:23:02] <RandomFactor> I just find begging people not to shoot each other so there are beds for virus patients to be....something. I'm really not sure what.
[00:22:10] <FatPhil> You Americans are weird...
[00:22:00] <FatPhil> So shooting each other is a worse epidemic than a R_0>2 virus!??!
[00:21:39] <FatPhil> " Seven people were shot Tuesday night in the Madison Park neighborhood, as Baltimore reported its fifth positive coronavirus case Wednesday."
[00:19:36] <systemd> ^ 03Coronavirus Latest | Baltimore Mayor Begs Residents To Stop Shooting Each Other So Hospital Beds Can Be Use For COVID-19 Patients
[00:19:36] <RandomFactor> Well...this will work https://baltimore.cbslocal.com
[00:18:48] <FatPhil> Unless secretly it knows the open market will value its shares as shit?
[00:18:27] <FatPhil> Remember the 15 billion in shar buy-backs it did over the last couple of years to pump its stock price? Well, just get it to sell those shares back onto the perfectly-functioning market, PBUH, et voila - money will come your way.
[00:17:21] <Bytram> Given my age, health, etc. I'm kinda looking at calling this lemonade from lemons for no longer working retail after > 15 years
[00:17:05] <FatPhil> A Boeing bailout backlash should include assassination attempts, IMHO.
[00:13:27] <Leebert> It's going to be interesting to see what backlash there is against bailout packages this time around.
[00:12:04] <AzumaHazuki> butbutbutbut the US is run like a business! Meaning just-in-time inventory, only focusing on the next quarter, and planning to bail and leave the little people holding the bag when it goes tits up
[00:11:21] <Leebert> Although to refine my statement, I'd be OK with a reasonable national stockpile of critical meds and a properly maintained contingency plan to begin manufacturing those drugs in the US in an emergency.
[00:10:15] <Leebert> heh.
[00:09:51] <AzumaHazuki> (party affiliations be damned, the Dems have been "republicans who don't quite hate gays so bad" since '96)
[00:09:26] <AzumaHazuki> well, this is what happens when people vote for republicans like Trump, Obama, Bush II, Clinton, and Bush I
[00:08:59] <AzumaHazuki> indeed
[00:07:32] <Leebert> Ya, agree that we should have better domestic pharm production capabilities. We prop up the likes of Boeing for reasons of national security; that's at least as important.
[00:06:28] <Leebert> So either we see a backlash against "stay in your home and close your businesses" directives, or people revolt and resume their normal lives causing a massive outbreak. Either way won't be pretty.
[00:05:13] <Leebert> I can't really say how I think this is going to turn out, but what I can say for the US is that I expect things to get a little messy beyond the end of next week, and all out ugly after a month. We don't like to sit around being told by the government to stay cooped up in our homes.
[00:04:24] <AzumaHazuki> that worries the hell out of me too. why in Madokami's merciful name are we letting life-saving medicines be manufactured outside the US?
[00:03:41] <Leebert> You might not have to if we run out of Chinese-manufactured drugs!
[00:01:32] <AzumaHazuki> i don't like the premonitions i'm getting. mostly because anything after late June or so is pure blank white.