#soylent | Logs for 2020-03-12

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[23:08:07] <systemd> https://paragonwiki.com - Twinshot - Paragon Wiki
[23:08:07] <Bytram> =g "Hoorb"
[23:07:55] <Bytram> LOL!
[23:07:52] <systemd> [0 results]
[23:07:51] <Bytram> =g "William Hoorb"
[23:07:28] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 9727, owned by WilliamHoorb
[23:07:27] <Bytram> !uid
[22:58:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AT&T CEO Pay Rose to $32 Million in 2019 after Cutting 20,000 Jobs - https://sylnt.us - just-business
[22:54:04] <carny> explains why most media are lying about some things and covering up others
[22:53:27] <carny> that number is much bigger by today and will keep going up as people panic sell
[22:52:57] <systemd> ^ 03Bloomberg - Are you a robot? ( https://www.bloomberg.com )
[22:52:56] <carny> https://www.bloomberg.com
[22:41:40] <Bytram> done
[22:41:12] * Bytram ehads off to fix a title
[22:38:20] <carny> it also has a lot of hong kong users who are native chinese speakers and can report in understandable english
[22:37:22] <carny> Bender: imgur seems to be less censored than other sites right now
[22:35:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AT&T CEO Pay Rose to $32 Million in 2019 while he Cut 20,000 Jobs - https://sylnt.us - just-business
[22:33:29] <chromas> For entertainment purposes only. Not for use in submissions.
[22:29:41] <Bytram> What's with all the imgur stuff lately?
[22:28:45] <chromas> no, I think carny's right, https://i.imgur.com
[22:24:37] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Axis of Awesome - 4 Four Chord Song (with song titles)
[22:24:37] <Bytram> #yt 5pidokakU4I
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[20:46:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CoronaVirus (SARS-CoV-2) Roundup 2020-03-12 - https://sylnt.us - Tomorrow-is-Friday-the-13th
[18:59:39] <Bytram> laters; got some things to take care of.
[18:53:47] <Bytram> lol
[18:53:32] <exec> <Bytram> carnu: I'm curioys. What's with all the links to imgur?
[18:53:31] <Bytram> s/y/u/
[18:53:18] <Bytram> carny: I'm curioys. What's with all the links to imgur?
[18:46:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Crack 58-year-old Puzzle on Way to Quantum Breakthrough - https://sylnt.us - how-do-you-crack-a-quantum?
[18:17:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> Needs a further response pointing out that viruses aren't bacteria.
[18:05:34] <systemd> ^ 03Just wow. So much irony.
[18:05:33] <carny> FatPhil: https://imgur.com
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[16:58:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Paleontologists Discover Solid Evidence of Formerly Elusive Abrupt Sea-Level Jump - https://sylnt.us - sea-levels-can't-jump
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[15:48:24] <FatPhil> https://i.imgur.com
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[15:16:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - U.S. House Passes Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Bill - https://sylnt.us
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[14:56:30] * guy_ checks inventory for a potion of inertia to give Bytram
[14:55:13] <guy_> I'm not reading that right. Can't be. FatPhil likes bat penis? But - coronavirus, right?
[14:53:51] <guy_> Now, if a Scotsman doesn't have a bottle in his hand, he's probably passed out, so you can assume that he is drunk.
[14:53:06] <FatPhil> if the irishman has a bottle in his hand, he's half drunk, and if he doesn't have a bottle in his hand, he's half sober.
[14:52:47] <guy_> The last sober Irishman I know of, died several years ago.
[14:49:38] <janrinok> I don't think that I have seen a sober Irishman recently so I would err on being more drunk than sober.
[14:48:41] <guy_> More importantly, is the Irishman half drunk, or half sober?
[14:48:11] <guy_> Is the shampoo bottle half full, or half empty?
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[13:25:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why is an Empty Shampoo Bottle So Easy to Knock Over? - https://sylnt.us - things-that-go-clunk-in-the-shower
[13:20:56] <FatPhil> -60% on the day really says "this is the future of money" to me!
[13:20:34] <FatPhil> "And it's gone" : https://www.investing.com
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[12:50:55] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Engineers Crack 58-year-old Puzzle on Way to Quantum Breakthrough" (22 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[12:50:33] <systemd> Submitting "Engineers crack 58-year-old puzzle on way to quantum breakthrough"...
[12:50:31] <SoyCow4275> =submit https://phys.org
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[12:39:42] <FatPhil> live bat penis is best
[12:39:31] <FatPhil> bat penis ftw
[12:38:37] <Bytram> afk
[12:38:36] * Bytram has gotten a jump on some household chores and wants to keep the momentum going... biab
[12:34:22] <chromas> He should've used science and medicine, then sprinkled traditional Chinese herbs and spices for garnish
[12:29:31] <FatPhil> Meanwhile in China, Xi has had respiratory disease expert and SARS response veteran Zhong Nanshan demoted out of the way for refusing to use Trad. Chinese Medicine herbs etc. in coronavirus therapy.
[12:29:02] <FatPhil> yes, I do tick the "talks better with computers than humans" box in personality tests.
[12:27:52] <FatPhil> In printed manuals, I love the railroad diagrams (not heard that phrase before, it's a great one)
[12:27:14] <FatPhil> I like almost all extended BNFs, but I fucking hate the ABNF used in RFCs
[12:18:52] * chromas plugs in the jigsaw
[12:18:38] <chromas> It was right the first time
[12:18:13] <Bytram> afk brb
[12:17:39] <exec> <Bytram> Say what you might about Microsoft, but I will be the first to say that the Microsoft C 5.1 launguage reference manual held closely to that ideal.
[12:17:37] <Bytram> s/w/y/
[12:17:33] <Bytram> Saw what you might about Microsoft, but I will be the first to say that the Microsoft C 5.1 launguage reference manual held closely to that ideal.
[12:16:41] * Bytram so wishes that reference documents would continue to use BNF (or, I believe equivalently "railroad diagrams") to explicitly state the accepted *syntax*, and then give functionally useful examples of each one of the parameters.
[12:15:05] <Bytram> got it. thanks.
[12:14:36] <FatPhil> to posix, and to all text-based internet protocols I'm aware of, yes.
[12:12:38] <Bender> karma - bnf: 2
[12:12:38] <Bytram> BNF++
[12:11:34] <Bytram> FatPhil: So, do I understand this correctly? text_file := [char* newline+]*
[11:53:17] <chromas> italian sausage
[11:53:10] <chromas> put it in some of those cases you mentioned
[11:53:00] <FatPhil> I'm here, all weak.
[11:52:53] <FatPhil> thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.
[11:52:33] <FatPhil> it should do, it was ground just earlier today.
[11:52:19] <FatPhil> this beef tastes like mud!
[11:51:58] <chromas> pizza. extra cheese
[11:51:44] <chromas> it's the same with meatlovers
[11:51:23] <FatPhil> Italian lovers just want to spread their love around
[11:51:04] <FatPhil> Almost all cases are people returning from FUCKING ITALY, grrrr!!
[11:51:01] <chromas> What if you could, but just don't want to?
[11:50:38] <FatPhil> If you can't contain 30 cases, you certainly can't contain 109
[11:50:18] <FatPhil> But that's clear out-of-control exponential growth now, so has no reason to not continue that way
[11:49:55] <FatPhil> nah, just cases at the moment. call me in 2 weeks ;-)
[11:49:38] <chromas> more deaths?
[11:48:14] <FatPhil> Yikes... Finland 109 +50
[11:43:51] <FatPhil> line = *text newline
[11:43:44] <chromas> False! Haha! I win!!!
[11:43:40] <FatPhil> textfile = *line
[11:43:24] <FatPhil> a file with an incomplete line is not orginised into lines
[11:42:53] <FatPhil> "A file that contains characters organized into zero or more lines."
[11:42:13] <chromas> Where's the part that says a text file can contain only lines and nothing else?
[11:41:20] <FatPhil> chromas: my two statements are in complete agreement with each other
[11:36:24] <chromas> pee2pee networking
[11:35:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Upgrading ISS System That Turns Astronaut Pee Into Drinking Water - https://sylnt.us - weee!
[11:35:36] <chromas> GOTEEEEM
[11:35:34] <chromas> [03:54:25] <FatPhil> a file which doesn't end with an end of line isn't a text file, you do realise?
[11:35:30] <chromas> AHA!!!!
[11:35:04] <FatPhil> this is why gets() behaves the way it does, or perhaps *because* gets() behaved the way it did.
[11:32:23] <FatPhil> A sequence of one or more non- <newline> characters at the end of the file.
[11:32:22] <FatPhil> 3.195 Incomplete Line
[11:32:14] <Bytram> phone call
[11:31:57] <chromas> sounds like a text file
[11:31:45] <FatPhil> A file that contains characters organized into zero or more lines. ...
[11:31:44] <FatPhil> 3.403 Text File
[11:31:30] <FatPhil> A sequence of zero or more non- <newline> characters plus a terminating <newline> character.
[11:31:29] <FatPhil> 3.206 Line
[11:30:47] <chromas> text file
[11:30:23] <chromas> is it a file?
[11:30:17] <FatPhil> an incomplete line is not a line
[11:30:10] <FatPhil> then that has 10 lines, and one incomplete line.
[11:29:44] <chromas> What if I have ten lines, then some text without an EOL?
[11:28:57] <FatPhil> that's not a text file
[11:28:00] <FatPhil> nytram: where did I say otherwise?
[11:27:47] <Bytram> hmmm, what would you call a file that consists of 10 characters, all of which are ASCII letter A and no new-line
[11:26:49] <Bytram> IIUC, RFC 7994 pertains to requirements for writing *RFCs*
[11:26:25] <FatPhil> but if you need a file that's not formally a text file, so be it, arguing over definitions achieves nothing.
[11:25:40] <FatPhil> that supports my claim, so I'm happy you repeating it.
[11:20:43] <chromas> Muh one standard
[11:16:37] <systemd> https://tools.ietf.org - RFC 7994 - Requirements for Plain-Text RFCs
[11:16:36] <Bytram> =g RFC text
[11:16:24] <Bytram> lol
[11:16:16] <systemd> https://tools.ietf.org - RFC 7994 - Requirements for Plain-Text RFCs
[11:16:15] <Bytram> =g RFC text file
[11:16:03] <Bytram> a swing and a miss?
[11:15:25] <FatPhil> miss
[11:15:21] <FatPhil> I did, thpose were my previous 2 lines
[11:14:26] <chromas> Yeah, cite your source, mister
[11:14:12] * Bytram would love to see the RFC which shows my example to NOT be a text file.
[11:13:43] <FatPhil> 3.206
[11:13:27] <FatPhil> It's a POSIX definition too
[11:12:28] <Bytram> don't know about RFCs for email (though I am aware that the syntax for an email address is... NUTS!) but I *have* worked through all the then-extant RFCs for Unicode and UTF-8
[11:10:57] <Bytram> so, one could have a 2GB file containing only ASCII a-zA-Z0-9 and new-line, and if the very last character in the entire file is not a new-line character, then that makes it NOT a text file?
[11:09:56] <Bender> karma - bnf: 1
[11:09:56] <Bytram> BNF++
[11:08:39] <FatPhil> I was paid to follow a strict BNF grammar (dozens of them, do you know how many RFCs there are pertaining to email)
[11:08:25] <Bytram> ad hock? Great for making a ham soup or stew!
[11:07:53] <chromas> ad-somethingum
[11:07:22] <Bytram> two shay (or not two shay)?
[11:06:55] <chromas> Well shit, if you were getting paid to push some strings around then I guess that's the end of that argument :)
[11:06:46] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[11:06:30] <Bytram> see awk's built-in vars: FS, OFS, NF, RS, ORS, RT, NR, and FNR
[11:06:21] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[11:06:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.upi.com
[11:05:36] <FatPhil> note, previous $DAYJOB was text processing
[11:04:36] <chromas> speaking of insecure
[11:04:18] <FatPhil> contents are inband
[11:03:47] <FatPhil> that's out of bound
[11:03:41] <Bytram> a field separator and a record separator can be any character. one wants to use.
[11:03:23] <FatPhil> AndyTheAbsurd: that's an improvement on the lies that have been previously spread around
[11:03:15] <Bender> karma - chromas: 275
[11:03:15] <Bytram> chromas++ 'zactly
[11:03:00] <chromas> It's terminated by the end of the file :D
[11:01:56] <FatPhil> a text file is a sequence of lines, and lines must be terminated.
[11:01:55] <AndyTheAbsurd> From the AP: "Tests led by U.S. government scientists show that the new coronavirus can live in the air for several hours and on some surfaces for up to three days."
[11:01:29] <Bytram> note: am doing this at the windows cmd line, hence the CRLF instead of newline
[11:00:59] <Bytram> bar.txt: ASCII text, with CRLF line terminators
[11:00:37] <chromas> There's probably some 300-year-old spec that says your example doesn't count
[11:00:34] <Bytram> printf "test1\ntest2" >bar.txt
[11:00:02] <Bytram> foo.txt: ASCII text, with no line terminators
[10:59:48] <Bytram> file foo.txt
[10:59:09] <Bytram> printf "testing" >foo.txt
[10:58:39] <Bytram> FatPhil: I am unaware of any requirement for a text file to end with a CRLF or /n
[10:58:13] <Bytram> awk -v fmt="%s" "(FNR == 1) {prev = $0; next} {print prev; prev=$0} END {printf fmt, prev}" foo.txt
[10:57:38] <Bytram> awk "(FNR == 1) {prev = $0; next} {print prev; prev=$0} END {printf "%s", prev}" foo.txt
[10:55:11] <FatPhil> sed looks like it always wants to print a trailing \n
[10:54:25] <FatPhil> a file which doesn't end with an end of line isn't a text file, you do realise?
[10:54:11] <Bytram> that *looks* good... let's see if it works.
[10:53:53] <Bytram> awk "{FNR == 1} {prev = $0; next} {print prev; prev=$0} END {printf "%s", prev}" foo.txt
[10:52:20] <Bytram> hmmm
[10:51:59] <Bytram> there has to be a way to previous the *previous* record as we receive a new one, and then at the end just prinf the last record w/o the CRLF
[10:50:29] <Bytram> {rec[FNR]=$0} END {for (i=1; i<FNR; i++) {print rec[FNR]} printf "%s", rec[n]}
[10:49:53] <Bytram> e.g.:
[10:49:37] <Bytram> It is easy-to-follow, but wasteful memory-wise to stick each coming record into an awk array, then END {for (i=1; i<n; i++) {print rec[i]} printf "%s", rec[n]}
[10:49:05] <FatPhil> sed has a "last line" range, doesn't it?
[10:48:08] <chromas> So you just wanna strip the newlines?
[10:47:20] <Bytram> here is what seems to be a trivial thing, but... how to output everything in an input stream of text (say of cat $file) *except* for the CRLF at the end of the last line.
[10:47:10] <chromas> and what's the point of using a shitty editor where I have to keep doing ESC :WI every five seconds if I have to leave it to do anything?
[10:46:38] <chromas> well I just wanted to change 10 lines
[10:45:13] <FatPhil> then use sed
[10:44:55] <FatPhil> ESC :wq
[10:44:18] * chromas tries to remember how to get more than one line in vim's sed thinger
[10:43:54] <Bender> karma - vim: 3
[10:43:54] <chromas> vim--
[10:39:03] <FatPhil> if you knew the CND types, the bananas would also have been banned for being oppressive symbols of the phallocracy!
[10:30:32] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5134
[10:30:32] <Bytram> coffee++
[10:30:28] * Bytram groans and then heads off to get
[10:30:06] <Bytram> You know: time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
[10:29:29] <Bytram> is that like a Swiss Watch?
[10:25:15] <janrinok> the smoke detectors were only there to hide the signature of the bananas - the bananas are the one's you have to watch
[10:24:39] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Yes, We Have No Bananas
[10:24:38] <Bytram> #yt yes we have no bananas today
[10:24:22] <chromas> No bananas either
[10:24:01] <Bytram> FatPhil: nuclear-free zones? So, no smoke detectors made with Americium?
[10:11:08] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5133
[10:11:08] <Bytram> coffee++
[09:45:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Astronomers Pinpoint Rare Binary Brown Dwarf - https://sylnt.us - be-seeing-you
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[08:06:22] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 373
[08:06:21] <FatPhil> TheMightyBuzzard++ beer-free zone!
[08:04:36] <FatPhil> we used to have nuclear-free zones in London when CND (the campaign for nuclear disarmament) was a big thing in the 80s
[07:58:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Crafty Web Skimming Domain Spoofs "https" - https://sylnt.us - aich-tee-tee-pee-ess-colon-slash-slash-aich-tee-tee-pee-dot-pee-ess
[06:06:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Exoplanet Where it Rains Iron Discovered - https://sylnt.us - like-hail-only-much-much-worse
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[05:16:07] <systemd> ^ 03Live Flight Tracker - Real-Time Flight Tracker Map
[05:16:05] <chromas> https://www.flightradar24.com
[04:14:05] <chromas> https://i.imgur.com
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[03:40:46] * TheMightyBuzzard waits patiently for the beer-free zone so he can go loudly and obnoxiously misunderstand it
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[02:41:42] <chromas> $x-Free Zones for all!
[02:41:33] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[02:40:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[02:18:38] <systemd> ^ 03Does anyone in the medical field object to this?
[02:18:37] <carny> https://imgur.com
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[01:48:06] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Rockets are Made (Rocket Factory Tour - United Launch Alliance) - https://sylnt.us
[01:23:11] <Bytram> send in the clouds
[01:15:00] <chromas> Hooray for cloudprint
[01:05:18] <Bytram> ;)
[01:05:12] * Bytram was wondering where all those printouts were coming from!
[01:01:20] <FatPhil> which is particularly shocking as I don't have a printer
[00:59:11] <FatPhil> You wouldn't believe how many times I've printed out webpages today!
[00:58:56] <FatPhil> I'm now clicking on a divers(e) set of functions.
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[00:37:42] <guy_> arghhhh
[00:14:29] <chromas> he wanted to look on the bright side but it was grey
[00:14:01] <Bytram> FatPhil: Look on the bright side! It makes it so much easier to select *everything* innacurately!
[00:08:57] <FatPhil> I think my PC has coronavirus, all my popups are popping up in grey on grey, which makes it rather hard to select anything accurately.
[00:07:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - RIP jazz pianist McCoy Tyner - https://sylnt.us - its-the-notes-you-don't-play