#soylent | Logs for 2020-02-20

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[00:16:32] <chromas> Aren't all cruise ships floating petri dishes though?
[00:21:43] <Bytram> Not really. Only the ones that have not already sank.
[00:22:28] <chromas> Oh yeah
[00:23:19] <Bytram> Really! Just ask Davy Jones!
[01:36:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Fixing Security Vulnerabilities in Medical Devices, IoT is so Hard - https://sylnt.us - security++
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[03:13:38] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[03:13:38] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[03:13:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, how'd the test go?
[03:14:53] <AzumaHazuki> worst case, i just barely passed. best case, >85 of 90 correct. It looked nothing like any guide or practice test i took did aside from being multiple choice
[03:15:20] <AzumaHazuki> stuff i sperg'd out over on Wikipedia three years ago came up. Stuff mentioned explicitly in the guide as "this will be on the exam" was not on the exam
[03:25:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An Early Warning System for Damage in Composite Materials - https://sylnt.us - all-you-need-to-do-is-climb-that-wind-turbine-and-check-its-blade-for-defects-with-this-microscope
[03:26:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, sorry, got distracted checking replies for the first time this week.
[03:27:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh. you should start your own practice exam thing then. show a proven higher success rate than the other and you could make a buck.
[03:30:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucking funny: https://www.fox5atlanta.com
[03:30:27] <systemd> ^ 03Prank group releases pigeons with MAGA hats over Democratic debate in Las Vegas
[03:30:47] <AzumaHazuki> eeeeexcept one of the terms of the PTCB is that for three years after taking it you can't tutor anyone on it. and since you have to renew it every two years, well...
[03:33:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> so don't tutor. if you're passing it to a business it's corporate espionage not tutoring.
[03:33:36] * AzumaHazuki snickers
[03:34:02] <AzumaHazuki> somehow i doubt the company would consider the difference
[03:34:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> courts would, which is how corporate folks get away with things like that. you know you want to get away with the stuff they do...
[03:36:03] <AzumaHazuki> no, i want to get away from the US and land in Halifax or somewhere similarly awesome
[03:37:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't reckon it'd be awesome to have lots of money and power?
[03:37:59] <AzumaHazuki> depends on how i got it. the way those people did? forget it
[03:38:09] <AzumaHazuki> besides which all i'd do with it is fix stuff
[03:38:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, how boring. it's people like you who are killing the coke and hookers industries.
[03:39:30] * AzumaHazuki pulls out scanning-tunneling electron microscope and manipulates servos to play 400nm violin
[03:40:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i got no idea if this is real but it's fucking funny: https://www.workingmother.com
[03:40:41] <systemd> ^ 03Mom Learns the Hard Way to Let Spray Tan Dry Before Breastfeeding
[03:44:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh well, i got faith in your test-taking abilities. if you weren't at the very least respectably book smart relative to the general public, you wouldn't hang here.
[03:45:52] <AzumaHazuki> i have justified belief in my domain-specific skills in this area of endeavor.
[03:45:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> and now, bed. think i got enough liquor and OTC pain meds in me to sleep without waking up cramped into a knot.
[05:18:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Biologists Develop New Defense in Fight Against Crop Infections - https://sylnt.us - teeny-weeny-little-bandaids®
[07:06:21] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - US Natural Gas Operator Shuts Down for 2 Days after Being Infected by Ransomware - https://sylnt.us - blames-Jumpin'-Jack-Flash
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[08:56:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Exposure to Cleaning Products in First 3 Months of Life can Increase Risk of Childhood Asthma - https://sylnt.us - who-would-have-guessed
[10:45:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Late Fall May Be Best Time of Year to Try to Conceive - https://sylnt.us - how-many-september-births-are-christmas-presents?
[12:35:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Russia Replaces Two Cosmonauts on Next Space Station Crew for 'Medical Reasons' - https://sylnt.us - broken-dreams
[14:35:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - $2.07bn? That's One Dell of a Deal to Offload Infosec Biz RSA - https://sylnt.us - security-for-sale
[15:47:43] <FatPhil> n.d. a 9,000,000,000 bolivar drink
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[16:27:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Smallest All-Digital Circuit Opens Doors to 5 nm Next-Gen Semiconductor - https://sylnt.us
[16:47:00] <FatPhil> Am I failing to keep up? Since when did laptops have 2 screens?
[17:00:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> There's one with...uh...eight screens, I think.
[17:01:24] <FatPhil> Half of my laptops have 0 screens! Why have hinge manufacturers never heard of 'fatigue'?
[17:01:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> Only as something that their employees claim they get, the fucking fakers.
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[17:05:35] <SoyCow4275> =submit https://krebsonsecurity.com
[17:05:36] <systemd> Submitting "Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months"...
[17:05:58] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Hackers Were Inside Citrix for Five Months" (15 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[17:52:13] <FatPhil> Any smart ideas for sorting a trivially-delineated middle section of a file using just sh and common tools?
[17:52:21] <Bytram> Blargh.
[17:52:34] <FatPhil> All I can think of is sed the top, sort the middle, sed the bottom
[17:53:47] <FatPhil> more guru would be remove the middle, inject sorted middle. Alas can't think how I'd do that.
[17:54:00] <FatPhil> need more guru-fu.
[17:54:14] <Bytram> I updated Pale Moon a couple days ago to v28.8.3 and am running on Wndows; am running into a problem. PM no longer seems to respond when I click to open a link in HexChat, or when I give the name of an html file on the command line.
[17:54:59] <Bytram> FatPhil: for a moment, I thought you meant between certain columns... Hold on....
[17:55:35] <Bytram> FatPhil: How do you know when you are in the top, in the middle, and in the bottom?
[17:56:27] <Bytram> Back to Pale Moon.... is anyone else experiencing this problem with PM not seeming to do anything with URLs tossed its way?
[17:57:13] <FatPhil>  and  lines exist :)
[17:57:18] <Bytram> FatPhil: Oh, and about how large a file are you talking about? ~1MB, ~10MB, ~100MB ???
[17:57:29] <FatPhil> tiiiiiiny!
[17:58:02] <Bytram> gawk should do it easily... what are you sentinels?
[17:58:03] <FatPhil> palemoon stopped accepting pasted URLs a month or so ago, no idea why
[17:58:16] <FatPhil> not 100% reproducable though
[17:58:40] <Bytram> Has been working for me up until about 3-4 days ago... when I upgraded to v28.8.3
[17:58:57] <FatPhil> Actually, I think the sort will be the difficult thing - it's a human readable datestamp, it should be a machine readable one instead
[17:59:08] <FatPhil> I'll fix that first, fuck humans
[17:59:28] <Bytram> FatPhil: If it is that tiny, can you just email a copy to me?
[17:59:59] <FatPhil> basically, sort these <li>s by date: http://fatphil.org
[18:00:00] <systemd> ^ 03Backups of RB Place Ratings
[18:00:52] <FatPhil> the alternative of course is to just never have the list unsorted, and always insert updates at the top
[18:01:10] <FatPhil> however, that's fragile to complete rewrites, which I sometimes do.
[18:02:13] <Bytram> So..... put the top, middle, and bottom in separate files... and then catenate them into a single file when you need it.
[18:02:51] <FatPhil> well, I'll use >> for the 2nd and 3rd stages
[18:03:06] <FatPhil> but yeah, that seems to be the KISS way.
[18:03:12] <FatPhil> But I need more guru!
[18:05:05] <Bytram> it is MUCH easier to assemble separate things (documents, blocks of memory, lines of data) from separate parts into one item than it is to extract separate parts from a single item.
[18:06:39] <Bytram> then gawk is your friend... it has TWO sort functions built in. Output each first-part-record as you get it; gather middle records into an array; when encounter first line of the bottom section, sort the middle, output it, and then dump each bottom-part record out until you reach end-of-file
[18:07:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Now Internet Society Told to Halt Controversial .Org Sale... by its Own Advisory Council - https://sylnt.us - maybe-too-late
[18:08:22] <Bytram> But you still have not indicated how you know which part of the file you are in! Is it the number of records? A sentinel value that flags the entry into a new section? What *is* it? I can't help you without more info!
[18:08:25] <Bytram> brb
[18:10:47] <FatPhil> now trying the KISS method...
[18:15:06] <Bytram> okay, good luck!
[18:15:12] <FatPhil> fuck me I've broken it beyond belief!
[18:16:20] <Bytram> you do have, of course, backups... right?
[18:18:42] <FatPhil> everything's in version control, yup
[18:19:22] <FatPhil> Ah, grep -c returns 1 with no matches, which is a pisser
[18:19:49] <FatPhil> aaaaaand... grep is a bigger executable than sed, so fuck grep, I'm going to replace it with sed
[18:20:03] <janrinok> Bytram, I use the same version of PM but it seems to be working just as it did before the update
[18:20:20] <Bytram> janrinok: interesting!
[18:20:54] <Bytram> wait...
[18:21:45] <Bytram> Well, whatdoyouknow? I had restarted PM before and saw no improvement. Restarted it *again*, and now it *is* working! YAY!
[18:21:55] <Bytram> FatPhil: printf "this\nthat\nanother\n"| gawk "{x[FNR]=$0} END { for (i=1;i<=FNR; i++) {print i, x[i]}; n=asort(x,y); print z; for (i=1;i<=n;i++) {print i, y[i]}}
[18:23:04] <Bytram> except you'll prolly want to replace the quotes around the awk script with single quotes if you are on Linux; also, I seem to have left off the closing quote. :/
[18:45:00] <Bytram> =g "USB 2.0 speed Mbps"
[18:45:01] <systemd> https://openwrt.en.alibaba.com - 300 Mbps(40 MHz)Wireless speed iot wifi module of Oolite V5R ...
[18:47:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> "USB 2.0 was released in April 2000, adding a higher maximum signaling rate of 480 Mbit/s (60 MB/s) named High Speed or High Bandwidth, in addition to the USB 1.x Full Speed signaling rate of 12 Mbit/s"
[18:47:46] <AndyTheAbsurd> Not sure of the overhead of the USB protocol overhead but 300Mbps seems possible based on that basic info.
[18:47:59] <janrinok> "A watched disk copy never ends - and is guaranteed to fail after 98% of data transfer" - Linux Tovalds probably...
[18:51:20] <FatPhil> Bytram: your awk-fu is too strong. sed + grep|sort + sed does seem to work
[18:56:16] <Bytram> Well, I had to make it general-case... because I have absolutely no idea of what you data looks like, how you know which section you are in (Such as... does each section have a unique value in a certain column? Is there a special record that flags when you have entered each section?) etc. So I made that general purpose so it could be augmented as needed.
[19:00:01] <Bytram> Well, I just confirmed it. To clone my drive will prolly take me the better part of 6 hours. When I do that, I'll have my lappy booted to a systerescuecd live cd and unable to be online except with using my mobile phone. I've put this off for a couple months already because "other things" kept getting in the way. I've got a new-to-me lappy that should prove to be faster and have better graphics support (higher res, I hope)...
[19:00:47] <Bytram> So, I think it is time to realize that there will always be something else that is wanting my time, and I just need to give this a priority or it will never get done!
[19:02:04] <Bytram> That is, of course, assuming that a simple disk clone and install into the new lappy is sufficient... it will likely need to download some new drivers and I have no idea how long that could take. :/
[19:02:42] <carny> why use a rescue cd with minimal functionality when you could just use a live dvd and have lots of applications?
[19:05:46] <Bytram> The longest distance between two points is a short cut. I've used this before, and given how long the copy takes, if *anything* goes sideways... ends up taking longer than if I just go with what I know. Also, I need to be absolutely certain that the copy is bit-for-bit identical, because the copy will be installed into my new lappy and I need to boot straight from it.
[19:08:16] <Bytram> So, my plan is to use ddrescue to do the actual copying. It is *designed* to handle potentially "wonky" media, and at this point, even though I expect no problems, I'd rather be safe than sorry!
[19:10:24] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: I am working under the assumption I will get something like ~50 MBps
[19:11:06] <Bytram> OTOH, ddrescue is strictly: read, then write, read, then write.
[19:11:49] <Bytram> OTOOH, both are SSDs so read/write times should have no impact compared to the USB I/O speed.
[19:12:54] <Bytram> brb
[19:14:00] <janrinok> go for it - if you wait for that time when you have nothing else to do you will never get it done
[19:15:28] <Bytram> FWIW, both are Samsung V-NAND SSD 860 EVO 1 TB drives
[19:19:13] * Bytram is currently trying to install the drive into an external enclosure: https://www.bestbuy.com
[19:23:47] <janrinok> gtg - cu tomorrow probably!
[19:24:00] <janrinok> Bytram, good luck!
[19:24:58] * Bytram discovered he was supposed to take off the *other* end of the enclosure. :P
[19:29:54] <carny> what's so special about sysrescuecd?
[19:30:07] <carny> ddrescue is available on all kinds of systems
[19:31:54] <Bytram> nothing special, I suppose. But it is what I used in the past, and downloading its ISO took me about an hour (I have a slow connection)... and it is now burned to a DVD, so I am ready to go,
[19:31:59] <carny> probably a more current version on the latest ubuntu dvd
[19:34:05] <Bytram> here is what I D/Led: https://osdn.net
[19:34:06] <systemd> ^ 03Downloading File /releases/6.0.7 - SystemRescueCd - OSDN
[19:35:41] <Bytram> see: http://www.system-rescue-cd.org
[19:35:41] <systemd> ^ 03SystemRescueCd - System Rescue Cd Homepage
[19:36:57] <carny> i guess if you're satisfied with it
[19:37:49] <carny> why are you doing a bit by bit clone of the drive though?
[19:38:15] <carny> is your new drive the exact same size as the old drive and you want to make a perfect backup?
[19:38:26] <Bytram> ding ding ding...
[19:39:53] <Bytram> Old lappy: Dell Latitude E6400 Intel Core 2 Duo; New lappy Dell Latitude E6410 Intel i5.. I don't have it to hand atm, but I believe there should be a performance bump with the video hardware, too.
[19:40:45] <chromas> Why not swap ssds?
[19:41:46] <Bytram> Because if booting from my *current* SSD does *not* work... and booting it on the new lappy trashes something on the drive.. I will be screwed.
[19:42:06] <Bytram> So, (1) I'll have a current back up of current lappy (always a good thing)
[19:42:18] <chromas> Oh, you are running Windows. Never had it trash on boot but...it is Windows, so
[19:42:34] <Bytram> (2) I'll be playing with a copy, so if anything does go sideways, I have an easy fallback.
[19:43:11] <Bytram> I'd rathr be prepared ahead of time on this, cause trying to recover afterwards would make me a very sad panda.
[19:43:46] <Bytram> Okay, external drive inserted and enclosure screwed back together.
[19:43:49] <chromas> I've had windows die on boot just from using another sata port. Didn't do it last night though
[19:44:05] <carny> windows licenses are tied to the machine
[19:44:05] <chromas> windows--
[19:44:05] <Bender> karma - windows: -26
[19:44:25] <chromas> from the wink dept.
[19:44:40] <carny> so the old windows system probably won't like the new hardware
[19:45:10] * Bytram heads off to double check the incantation of ddrescue he will use, and to locate a USB stick to write the mapfile to.
[19:45:14] <chromas> The worse you'd get from licensing is an alert
[19:45:36] <chromas> Then you'd just have to re-activate it.
[19:46:02] <carny> chromas: but after 30 days it can go into unlicensed mode and shut itself down half an hour after you boot up
[19:46:15] <Bytram> I happened to chat with someone who ran their own PC repair business; said he did that kind of thing all the time. It'll probably cough and ask for product key, and then need to download some drivers, but should not have any problem.
[19:46:18] <carny> might have to pay for a new license
[19:46:39] <chromas> Yeah but just reactivate it. Lap probably cums with a win license or just use a tool that totally doesn't exists
[19:46:51] <carny> i would just run both laptops together and copy over only the data i cared about
[19:47:00] <Bytram> I got 3 of these new lappy's at $25 each... and each of them comes with a windows product key.
[19:47:16] <carny> wow nice deal
[19:47:17] <Bytram> New lappys came with no drive at all
[19:47:26] <Bytram> and.. no drive cover, either.
[19:47:43] <carny> were they used and coming off a lease?
[19:48:08] <chromas> That's why Jesus invented gaffer tape
[19:48:10] <Bytram> Oh, and I just remembered, I'm going to have to set up a bunch of things in the BIOS.
[19:48:27] <Bytram> I dunno; found 'em at a Goodwill.
[19:49:21] <Bytram> two were in good shape, one not so much (cosmetically and minor scuff on the screen) but I figured I could use it for parts.
[19:49:37] <chromas> Or keep it folded and use it as a server
[19:49:44] <Bytram> Heck, they even came with batteries, and they work in my old lappy, too.
[19:49:49] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:50:23] <Bytram> I already picked up a new power brick... (I think it was something like $80 or so?)
[19:50:25] <chromas> And you're ruining it with Windows? Jesus wept.
[19:50:42] <Bytram> 1TB SSDs were ~$130 each
[19:51:54] <Bytram> It's much better than the HP athlon 64 w/ 2GB RAM and 80GB spinny ata drive hat the core 2 duo superceded... and I used the HP for at least a year after I started helping out on SoylentNews.
[19:52:48] <Bytram> Oh, and which had had a broken LCD for about 5 years, so I just hooked it up to an external monitor and pretended it was a portable desktop. =)
[19:54:10] <Bytram> Yes, you got that right. Everything I have done on this site over the past nearly 5 years has been w/ a core 2 duo... and up until about 2 years ago, my max D/lL speed over my tethered phone was about 65 KBps
[19:55:06] <Bytram> Now I get somethng like 500KBps to occasional spurts of up to ~1.2 MBps. Mi-fi to my LTE phone.
[19:55:19] <chromas> So what's with the wifi module? Stealing internets from your neighbors?
[19:55:26] <Bytram> anyway, I *do* need to step away and complete my plans.
[19:55:55] <chromas> No, you must stay here and tweet with us forever
[19:56:02] <Bytram> No. I set my phone to be a hotspot and access the internet from my lappy through the phone.
[19:56:13] <Bytram> .kick chromas
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[19:56:21] <chromas> hue
[19:56:23] <Bytram> OMG!
[19:56:29] <Bytram> So Sorry!
[19:56:38] <chromas> Apparently the bots strip the spaces
[19:56:39] <chromas> hm
[19:56:45] <chromas> .kick chromas
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[19:57:02] <Bytram> I thought for sure that having leading spaces would just *display* it to you!
[19:57:44] <chromas> /kick Aphrodite
[19:57:59] <Bytram> Please accept my most humble apologies, and feel free to use this newly revealed feature as you may find useful. ;)
[19:58:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Findings From NASA's Juno Update Jupiter Water Mystery - https://sylnt.us - it's-wet
[19:58:08] <Bytram> anyway... afk, biab.
[19:58:27] * Bytram heads off to complete his preparations.
[19:59:28] <chromas> Be sure to letter your preparations instead of numbering
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[20:27:12] <chopchop1> preparation H,I,J,K
[21:36:55] <chromas> elemental pee
[21:45:31] <FatPhil> That would be Phosphorus, methinks.
[21:46:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Washington D.C.'s Billion in Traffic Fines Called 'Predatory' by the AAA - https://sylnt.us - gotta-fine-them-all
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[21:55:11] <systemd> Submitting "ICANN Board quizzes Internet Society over .Org sale - Domain Name Wire"...
[21:55:33] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03ICANN Board Quizzes Internet Society Over .Org Sale - Domain Name Wire" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[22:24:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ooooh, i wanna play too!
[22:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick chromas
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[22:25:28] <chromas> You dunnit rong
[22:25:35] <chromas> You've gotta have some spaces in there
[22:25:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> .kick ch romas
[22:27:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i don't really wanna play. overworked, underfed, and too much booze lead to picking up some minor lung crud and paying attention is too much effort
[22:29:44] <chromas> You need a pizza.
[22:38:34] <FatPhil> .kek TheMightyBuzzard
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