#soylent | Logs for 2020-02-19

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[01:23:52] <systemd> Submitting "Hackers exploit critical vulnerability found in ~100,000 WordPress sites"...
[01:24:14] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Hackers Exploit Critical Vulnerability Found in ~100,000 WordPress Sites" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[01:27:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - First Solar Orbiter Instrument Sends Measurements - https://sylnt.us - picture-this
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[03:16:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ISPs Sue Maine, Claim Web-Privacy Law Violates Their Free-Speech Rights - https://sylnt.us - Captialistic-Voyeurism
[05:15:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New CRISPR-based Tool Can Probe and Control Several Genetic Circuits at Once - https://sylnt.us - wetware-level-debugging
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[07:07:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Correcting the Jitters in Quantum Devices - https://sylnt.us - simply-get-them-to-give-up-drinking
[08:56:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - LOFAR Pioneers New Way to Study Exoplanet Environments - https://sylnt.us - attractive-idea
[10:47:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Red Hat to Sunset CoreOS Container Linux - https://sylnt.us - you-have-only-3-months-to-migrate-off
[12:36:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Announces Partnership to Send Four Tourists Into Deep Orbit - https://sylnt.us - to-infinity-and-beyond,maybe
[14:25:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Algorithms 'Consistently' More Accurate than People in Predicting Recidivism, Study Says - https://sylnt.us - revolving-door
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[15:23:06] <FatPhil> ~gday AzumaHazuki how did your druuuuugs thing go?
[15:23:08] * exec deliciously uninstalls a Ziploc bag of monies from AzumaHazuki
[15:23:42] <Runaway1956__> she's so high, she can't hear you
[15:23:56] <AzumaHazuki> they're going to make me stew for 1-3 weeks waiting for the actual results, but the machine said "preliminary pass" and unless I'm seriously mistaken I got at least 65 of 90 right
[15:24:22] <FatPhil> good for you, keep us updated, won't you
[15:24:27] <AzumaHazuki> that test looked nothing like my study guide aside from being multiple choice. everything on it is stuff i taught myself elsewhere
[15:24:42] <FatPhil> yikes
[15:24:51] <AzumaHazuki> and that worst case is probably a lot lower than reality; i may very well, in the best case, have gotten 85 or more of 90
[15:25:07] <FatPhil> maybe that's deliberate - maybe they're trying to find the genuinely interested ones
[15:27:06] <AzumaHazuki> maybe they're a bunch of money-grubbing rent-seeking shitheels that want to gate employment and status behind deliberately misleading tests so they can keep collecting test fees
[15:30:01] <FatPhil> Ah, yes, I forgot you were in the USA.
[15:30:16] <FatPhil> Ooops, ,what I meant to say was "capitalism, fuck yeah!"
[15:30:23] <AzumaHazuki> i would be way way waaaaay less complaining and bitchy if i lived somewhere civilized
[15:30:48] <Runaway1956__> lol
[15:31:15] <AzumaHazuki> with any luck, this will be a big boost to my chances of getting a work permit somewhere in Soviet Canuckistan. I've been doing some research and i think Halifax is, pardon the mixed geographical metaphor, my Shangri-La
[15:31:52] * Runaway1956__ loves Halifax
[15:32:21] <Runaway1956__> It's as close to a sailor's heaven as I know of
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[15:36:17] <SoyCow2736> =submit https://technologyreview.us11.list-manage.com
[15:36:20] <systemd> Submitting "Hackers can trick a Tesla into accelerating by 50 miles per hour"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.technologyreview.com )
[15:36:42] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03Hackers Can Trick a Tesla Into Accelerating by 50 Miles Per Hour" (17 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:36:59] <AzumaHazuki> didn't the old rockman.exe games on the GBA have a plot like this?
[15:37:35] <AzumaHazuki> Madoi and her navi, er...Coloredman.exe (yiiiiikes!) screwed up downtown Den-mura's IoT traffic system and caused lots of crashes IIRC
[15:40:06] <SoyCow2736> =submit. https://www.bloomberg.com
[15:40:27] <SoyCow2736> =submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[15:40:27] <systemd> SoyCow2736, 04submit failed: Bloomberg is racist against robots!
[15:40:44] <SoyCow2736> #submit https://www.bloomberg.com
[15:40:45] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
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[15:42:06] <Runaway1956__> "people with dementia, which is the second leading cause of death of Australians"
[15:42:28] <Runaway1956__> There's proof that Strayans are demented.
[15:59:41] <FatPhil> nah, they're just bogans
[16:04:35] <Runaway1956__> When bogans mate, do they become twobogans?
[16:16:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - CEA-Leti Experimental Processor Combines Six 16-Core Chiplets - https://sylnt.us - imagine-a-Beowulf...
[16:18:18] <AzumaHazuki> Whoa
[16:19:20] <AzumaHazuki> off to work. going to chew on this one for a bit...MAKEOPTS="-j96" sounds very nice
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[16:21:25] <Runaway1956__> Offload to the GPU, and use MAKEOPTS="-j2500"
[16:27:17] <FatPhil> GPUs make shitty compilers, alas. Not enough multiplying and adding to be done. (And way too much conditional stuff, DSPs hate ifs)
[16:28:41] <Runaway1956__> There's probably a fix for that, but we just haven't discovered it yet
[16:28:53] <FatPhil> I wonder if antminers can be repurposed to do anything useful when the cointards have had their world collapse.
[16:29:32] <Runaway1956__> Folding at home?
[16:29:53] <Runaway1956__> doesn't pay anything, but it's "useful"
[16:30:13] <FatPhil> no idea. they're not set up particularly for maths, more for bit twiddling.
[16:30:53] <FatPhil> yeah, I fully support those who contribute to F@H, it is useful even if it's indirect, slow, and you never really find out what you achieve.
[16:31:29] <FatPhil> OTOH, people who contribute to SETI should get off the crack pipe
[16:31:59] <Runaway1956__> LOL - SETI was the first thing I crunched numbers for
[16:32:11] <Runaway1956__> I thought it was cool
[16:32:38] <Runaway1956__> and, of course, people who want to be cool usually follow my lead, and do what I do
[16:36:49] <FatPhil> I think I first encountered people doing it in the late 90s. I was already into prime numbers by that stage, and burnt flops that way.
[16:41:22] <Runaway1956__> What is the sum of all primes?
[16:42:04] <Runaway1956__> I know, it's a nonsense question - but imagine acting serious, and asking it of a mathematician, lol
[16:45:10] <FatPhil> Do not ask /Numberphile/. I fucking hate his "1+2+3+...=-1/12" bullshit video.
[16:47:13] <FatPhil> There are ways, some with very non-standard meanings of limits, others using deep complex analysis, in which you can say "1+2+3+...=-1/12", but the typical hand-waving explanation is pure stinky bullshit.
[16:48:30] <FatPhil> There's a non-zero probability there's a way that you could contrive *something* from "the sum of all primes" to get a (probably negative) answer.
[16:55:24] <FatPhil> I can't contrive anything apart from 0 at the moment, but my math-fu ain't what it used to be.
[16:56:27] <FatPhil> (I get a vanishingly small ratio of the pseudosum 1+2+3+..., basically.)
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[16:59:13] <Runaway1956__> vanishingly small - I like that
[17:02:31] <FatPhil> Like the Iranian covid survival rate! 2 for 2 it seems
[17:17:23] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 96-Core CEA-Leti Experimental Processor Combines Six 16-Core Chiplets - https://sylnt.us - imagine-a-Beowulf...
[17:46:03] <carny> FatPhil: the sum of all positive primes gives you a probably negative answer?
[17:46:27] <carny> wow math got weird while i wasn't paying attention ;]
[17:47:06] <Bytram> coffee++
[17:47:06] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5109
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[17:48:33] <SoyCow4275> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[17:48:35] <systemd> Submitting "US natural gas operator shuts down for 2 days after being infected by ransomware"...
[17:48:56] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "03US Natural Gas Operator Shuts Down for 2 Days After Being Infected by Ransomware" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:50:40] <Bytram> FatPhil: You lost me there with: " I fucking hate his "1+2+3+...=-1/12" bullshit video."
[17:51:30] <FatPhil> I would say "watch it to see how fucking terrible it is", but I don't want you polluted by his bad maths (he's a physicist)
[17:51:31] <Bytram> How can a sum of natural numbers be negative?
[17:51:56] <Bytram> Now, a sum of squared complex numbers, sure!
[17:52:29] <FatPhil> it can't, unless you redefine what you mean by the limit of a series sum
[17:54:05] <Bytram> One of the most interesting courses I ever took was "Fundamentals of Math" where we started with the "Peano(sp?) Postulates" and through rigorous means derived natural numbers, whole numbers, integers, rational numbers, irrational numbers, and eventually complex numbers, too! Took some 16 years of match courses and assembled it all in one place! SWEET!
[17:54:07] <FatPhil> If you use the series as a representation of Zeta(1), then you've got away with it, but it's horribly sloppy maths to pretend that 1+2+3+... "is" Zeta(1).
[17:54:20] <Bytram> =g Zeta(10
[17:54:21] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Zetta- - Wikipedia
[17:54:28] <Bytram> =g "Zeta(1)"
[17:54:29] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Riemann zeta function - Wikipedia
[17:54:30] <FatPhil> Riemann
[17:54:45] <Bytram> wasn't that a movie?
[17:54:59] <FatPhil> That's Catharine Zeta Jones
[17:55:03] <Bytram> =g movie rainman
[17:55:04] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Rain Man - Wikipedia
[17:55:10] <Bytram> ;)
[17:57:08] <FatPhil> My fave course at uni was fundamentals. We did all of your course, plus all of propositional and predicate logic in 8 weeks. Was really hard going.
[17:57:29] <Bytram> Ooof!
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[17:58:16] <FatPhil> Kinda flunked it first time, but I realised it was a weak spot that I really ought to be able to get on top of, so I redid the course in my 3rd year and the college got me an extra tutorial per week, and I completely aced the paper in finals.
[18:03:06] <Bytram> I did pretty well with Calc I, II, and III. Managed okay with linear algebra (though it was all to theoretical when it came to del and grad vectors and eigenvalues/vectors). Intro to differential equations? Ugh, was happy to get a "C" in that class. Then it was on to advanced calc, and then "complex numbers with applications" which was basically triple integrals over complex numbers. (Don't recall ever seeing any actual applications,
[18:03:06] <Bytram> but for some reason I found the transforms/mappings that occurred to be absolutely fascinating! And then wrapped it up with Fund of Math. And I wasn't even a math major! Since Comp Sci was under the auspices of the Math Dept, they made the most of their chance to get their hooks into me!
[18:04:48] <Bytram> I'm sure I've probably forgotten the majority of the details, but what an amazing exercise in learning whole new syntax/semantics systems time after time. Made my actual programming challenges comparatively mundane. =)
[18:05:43] <carny> this all sounds like way before colleges became soft on requirements
[18:06:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blue Origin Completes Construction of Rocket Engine Factory in Alabama - https://sylnt.us - Why-do-you-throw-them-away-after-using-them-just-once?
[18:06:34] <Bytram> Soft?! Oi! Not where *I* went!
[18:06:51] <chromas> Isn't redefining words a requirement of university now?
[18:08:21] <carny> chromas: at some point an ivy league education of today is going to drop below a liberal arts education at an average state university xx years ago
[18:08:50] <carny> but what exactly xx = i'm not sure
[18:09:06] <chromas> Getting a negative number from positives is pretty easy though. Just limit the size of your register.
[18:09:21] <chromas> But actually, it turns out the sum of all primes is 1.
[18:09:26] <Bytram> Oldest Engineering school in the United States! And, when it came to engineering, they held close to the school motto of "Knowledge and Thoroughness". They felt completely justified in presenting you with seemingly incomplete information and insisting that you come up with a *solid* solution. Somebody's life could very well be at stake!
[18:10:12] <Bytram> chromas: Sure, if you assume that: (-3)^2 + (3)^2 = 0 ;)
[18:11:14] <chromas> Nah, you just have to simply add them all together. I did it once, was disappointed and said "never again".
[18:11:39] <chromas> I was hoping for 42, but nooooo.
[18:11:48] * Bytram wonders how you were sure that you had added up *all* the primes?
[18:12:41] <Bytram> Huh! Apparently I was a little off. Not just the oldest in the US, "It was established in 1824 ...and is the oldest technological university in the English-speaking world."
[18:12:42] <chromas> With a lot of hard work
[18:13:11] <Bytram> Nah, I bet you just sifted right through it!
[18:19:59] <Bytram> =g xkcd Autonomous vehicle
[18:20:00] <systemd> https://xkcd.com - Self Driving - xkcd
[18:21:02] <Bytram> =g xkcd Autonomous vehicle -1897
[18:21:03] <systemd> https://xkcd.com - Self-Driving Issues - xkcd
[18:22:45] <chromas> Nobody's a murderer the first time.
[18:23:57] <Bytram> =g lyrics it takes two, baby
[18:23:58] <systemd> https://www.azlyrics.com - Marvin Gaye - It Takes Two Lyrics | AZLyrics.com
[18:25:36] <FatPhil> With the somewhat subject-focussed nature of London University, I'd have thought it could give 1824 a run for its money.
[18:27:40] <FatPhil> the older ones were very much polyversities, though, to mangle a term.
[18:29:39] <Bytram> aye, but possibly with a greater emphasis on the humanities? Greek, Latin, and history in addition to things "technical"
[18:29:45] <Bytram> ??
[18:31:17] <Bytram> =g Chevy Cruz autonomous
[18:31:18] <systemd> https://www.theverge.com - GM will make an autonomous car without steering wheel or pedals ...
[18:31:54] <chromas> Sounds like a non-autonomous Apple car
[18:32:46] <carny> can't wait to be a beta test guinea pig for that new tech
[18:33:03] <Bytram> As a passenger or as a pedestrian?
[18:33:30] <chromas> It's autonomous. Why not both?
[18:33:45] <Bytram> =g movie trading places
[18:33:46] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Trading Places - Wikipedia
[19:07:59] <Bytram> time for a nap... laters.
[19:16:29] <chromas> websites_taking_away_their_rss_feeds--
[19:16:29] <Bender> karma - websites_taking_away_their_rss_feeds: -1
[19:23:33] <gozar> I drop sites that don't add the full articles to the RSS feed.
[19:28:42] <chromas> Sounds like almost all the big sites
[19:29:30] <chromas> Maybe I'll just throw up a web scraper to do the work
[19:31:34] <carny> do you archive the data you scrape or just throw it away after the pages are rendered?
[19:32:27] <chromas> Insert into db and chuck, but the actual rss parser I'm using has a cache
[20:05:01] <FatPhil> Bytram: the older ones definitely were including humanities and god in with their sums and meccano courses, yes, but London was one of the first to specialise.
[20:05:23] <FatPhil> Herriot Watt might have a good claim too.
[20:06:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MEMESat-1: Memes Beamed From Space - https://sylnt.us - dank-memes-are-forever
[20:07:19] <FatPhil> (later London expansions included schools of medicine, a school of echochambrenomics, music, drama, etc.)
[20:08:31] <FatPhil> apparently the earliest ones aren't early enough, so Herriot Watt is probably my best hope.
[21:17:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - MEMESat-1: Memes Beamed from Space - https://sylnt.us - dank-memes-are-forever
[21:36:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuuuuuuuuck
[21:36:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> long day full of nothing but back-killing work
[21:42:04] * Bytram offers TMB a massage lounger
[21:44:26] <Bytram> #weather TheMightyBuzzard
[21:44:27] <MrPlow> 1576 East Main St, Humboldt, TN 38343, USA - Today: "Partly cloudy throughout the day." 52/34F, Humidity: 70%, Precip: 11%, Wind ~11mph. Thu: "Possible light rain in the morning." 46/21F, Humidity: 66%, Precip: 65%, Wind ~14mph. Fri: "Clear throughout the day." 44/22F, Humidity: 50%, Precip: 4%, Wind ~6mph.
[21:44:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm going with liquor and OTC pain medication
[21:44:59] <Bytram> Looks to be a bit nippy to go fooshin
[21:45:06] <Bytram> nod od
[21:45:11] <Bytram> odd nod?
[21:45:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> no danger of that. crunch time on the church
[21:45:23] <Bytram> Yeah, how IS that coming along?
[21:45:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> taking saturday because it's been ages since i wet a line
[21:45:46] <Bytram> Bet you must be winding things up?1
[21:46:11] <Bytram> Hmm, wrapping up or winding down... take your pick
[21:47:33] <Bytram> Either way, I hope you are making good progress and the end is in sight!
[21:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> got the hvac/electrical guys coming in tomorrow. the bathroom's getting tiled and second coat of mud on the walls today. superfluous window and door are gone and bricked up with matching brick. gutters are up. massive amounts of detritus are gone and all the tools are organized, most of the wiring is done downstairs. the plumbing is 5m per place using it away from being done (not putting the cutoffs in until i'm certain exactly
[21:48:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> where they're going.).
[21:50:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> lacking 1-2 days of the siding guys finishing up, some old holes in the brick being patched up, 2-3 days of nothing but pulling wire, inspections, putting all the outlets and switches in, sheetrocking the entire downstairs (ugh. a lot.)
[21:50:26] <Bytram> Woo hoo! That is a LOT of progress... good for you!
[21:51:12] <Bytram> Oh, sheetrocking and mudding... you were doing pretty good up to there.
[21:51:50] <Bytram> 'cept for the sheetrock, it seems like the worst of the heavy lifting is behind ya.
[21:52:23] <Bytram> And isn't roomy the electrician dude? 'bout time he lends a hand, right?
[21:52:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> four rooms, three walls and a ceiling each of drywall. one maintaniance hall about 50'x15' and the ceiling, and whatever the remainder of 2500 square feet of ceiling worth of drywall is
[21:53:19] <Bytram> why do they call it dry wall when it's on the ceiling?
[21:54:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh he's been doing lots but he's one of them guys who has to overthink absolutely everything. like put 50x what is necessary of thought in. slows his ass up bad, so i been telling him "show me what you want done and go do something else".
[21:54:08] <Bytram> Yeah, that part is rough... I do hope you have a ... what do they call it.... a rig which holds the rock up so you can go around and nail/screw it into place.
[21:54:28] <Bytram> So he thinks and you do?
[21:54:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno what it's called but it's like $200 and sitting over there in a box
[21:54:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> well he can do if you tell him stfu and do
[21:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> he sucks as a GC though.
[21:55:25] <Bytram> otoh, when he finally gets around to doing something, can you be pretty certain he HAS thought about everything and nothing will come back to bite you?
[21:55:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, ima go drink and lay on the couch and watch tv
[21:55:47] <Bytram> rest up well.
[21:55:54] <Bytram> thanks for filling me in, too!
[21:56:17] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Hackers Can Trick a Tesla into Accelerating by 50 Miles Per Hour - https://sylnt.us - Do-these-trick-other-vendor's-systems?
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[22:54:47] <carny> https://arstechnica.com
[22:54:48] <systemd> ^ 03Americans on coronavirus cruise ship barred from US after failed quarantine ( https://arstechnica.com )
[22:55:06] <carny> they better fire the guy who made that decision
[22:55:52] <carny> or else people will start to realize it's possible to keep panemics from flooding across borders
[22:58:14] <FatPhil> I like the matter-of-factness in calling it the "coronavirus cruise ship".
[22:58:28] <FatPhil> "Floating Petri dish" is how we've been referring to it at home.
[22:58:40] <carny> all aboard the uss typhoid mary!
[22:59:40] <carny> i feel so bad for all those people who got infected and shouldn't have
[23:03:22] <FatPhil> My first suggestion weeks ago was "take each side/middle of each deck to a different desert island (I dunno, that's probably 20-60 sites), set up individual field hospitals on every single one". Sure, that's a lot of work, but less work than coping with the 500+ cases we now have.
[23:03:48] <FatPhil> "spend" more than you need to in order to minimise the maximum "cost".
[23:45:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anatomy of a Dumb Spear-Phish: Hitting Librarians up for Zelle, CashApp Cash - https://sylnt.us - obvious-fake-weeds-out-the-smart-targets