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[00:05:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Happy Birthday to SoylentNews -- Six Years Old! - https://sylnt.us - cake-time!
[00:05:34] <chromas> A Firefox fork that supports both the old and new extension systems
[00:05:45] <chromas> Has the telemetry and stuff removed
[00:06:07] <chromas> I think originally it's thing was 64-bit builds on Windows before Mozilla was doing it
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[00:16:45] <FatPhil> if it's GPL, fork it, you lose nothing.
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[01:56:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This New York Woman Built Her Own Rotary-Dial Cellphone - https://sylnt.us - DIY
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[03:52:52] <chromas> When I become dictator, the first against the wall will be the people who think clicking the margin of their site should change pages
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[04:18:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - This USB-C Charger’s Chip is More Powerful Than the Apollo 11 Flight Computer - https://sylnt.us
[06:36:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - ‘That Evil Kind of Feeling’: The Inside Story of Black Sabbath’s Iconic Cover Art - https://sylnt.us - be-very-afraid
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[08:57:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - By 2100, Indoor CO₂ Could Conceivably Cut Complex Cognition by 50% - https://sylnt.us - Bring-on-the-bottled-air
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[11:26:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Normal Resting Heart Rate Appears to Vary Widely From Person to Person: Individual People's Averages - https://sylnt.us - makes-my-heart-beat-faster
[12:37:40] * Runaway1956 votes chromas for dictator for a day
[13:08:47] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:08:48] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5107
[13:28:20] <inz> chromas, the walls have (chunks of) brains?
[13:46:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - What Happens to our Online Lives After we Die? - https://sylnt.us - Backups-vs-Bitrot-vs-Businesses-vs-Beliefs
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[15:33:30] <SoyCow2909> currently getting pages missing the <head>section, so no styling, are you aware?
[15:34:23] <SoyCow2909> OK, now its fixed :p
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[16:07:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft's Fix-Fixing Patch that Leaves Some Windows Server 2008 Machines Unable to Boot - https://sylnt.us - broken-fixes-make-PCs-into-bricks
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[17:30:44] <FatPhil> n.p. RATM (Respect At The Machine) - my favourite apolitical band
[18:26:46] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blizzard's Cancelled "StarCraft: Ghost" Leaks Online - https://sylnt.us - ghostly-appearance
[18:31:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.zdnet.com
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[19:42:42] <FatPhil> I notice that worldometers has now split the stats for Princess of Festering Death out from Japan proper: https://www.worldometers.info
[19:49:06] <FatPhil> Carnival Diamond Princess = Viral prison, and mad scenic! (anagram)
[20:45:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Newly Discovered Binary Asteroid 2020 BX12 Passes by Earth - https://sylnt.us - didb't-see-that-one-coming
[22:05:27] <FatPhil> The source of Corona has finally been found: Anheuser-Busch InBev = Hunch: been virus base (anagram)
[22:06:59] <carny> FatPhil: https://nypost.com
[22:07:03] <systemd> ^ 0314 Americans aboard evacuation plane from Japan stricken with coronavirus
[22:07:58] <FatPhil> somwhere I picked up '40' cases, or maybe I misheard
[22:08:24] <carny> this is 14 new cases probably from being stuck on the plane with each other
[22:09:15] <Cascade> You picked up 40 cases of Corona Light. For the beach party.
[22:10:19] <carny> i want to know what kind of ppe those patients were wearing during the flight
[22:10:28] <FatPhil> woo woo - you're all invited.
[22:10:41] <FatPhil> carny: bodybag
[22:10:59] <carny> only the chinese ones
[22:11:17] <FatPhil> Ah, they'd taken their lead injections already, then?
[22:11:31] <carny> it's interesting that we still aren't hearing anything whatsoever about the race of patients
[22:12:37] <chromas> When the news doesn't mention race, that usually means nonwhite
[22:14:23] <carny> ok but in this case the race is a critical detail because the virus appears to be both more virulent and more deadly to han chinese
[22:17:00] <Cascade> Yellow Fever 3.11 for Workgroups
[22:21:36] <FatPhil> Ah, the 40 was from "At least 40 US citizens who were already showing symptoms prior to the evacuation were not allowed on the planes and will be treated in Japan, Dr Fauci said."
[22:22:06] <chromas> Poor Japan
[22:24:09] <FatPhil> Yeah, this isn't improving sinojapanese relations
[22:24:39] <carny> everything about this situation has been handled badly
[22:25:08] <FatPhil> Fortunately Dr Gayboyjesus will fix everything
[22:25:20] <FatPhil> Or whatever his name is
[22:25:26] <carny> and in some cases it's been handled about as wrongly as you can imagine without turning it into a sci fi horror movie
[22:27:06] <carny> i guess we should be thankful that china isn't sending bags of dead birds to the dulles airport
[22:27:14] <FatPhil> any more?
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[22:28:41] <carny> honestly my first reaction was that had to be a troll
[22:29:10] <FatPhil> But yeah, my sympathies are really with the close neighbours currently. Taiwan in particular (as I mentioned, we have Taiwanese friends). The WHO's attitude to Taiwan is indefensible.
[22:29:44] <carny> like the pla saying 'we can play games with germs too you american dogs'
[22:30:06] <carny> taiwan and hong kong are both going to get screwed by this
[22:31:04] <carny> if china doesn't use it as an excuse to either crush the protesters or just infect half of the country i'll be amazed
[22:31:31] <chromas> And then they get free land afterward
[22:31:46] <carny> and taiwan will probably get some new politicians to match hong kong's
[22:32:25] <FatPhil> If it takes over the whole country, do you think the government of china will retreat to taiwan for safety?
[22:33:18] <carny> that would be unprecedented ;]
[22:34:11] <carny> of course the united states would withdraw their support at a crucial moment and let them be defeated
[22:35:41] <carny> the i'm sure the higher ups are having furious debates right now as to exactly how many billions to commit to glow in the dark ops designed to take down the ccp
[22:35:44] <FatPhil> taiwannews.com.tw is actually a pretty good source for news, it's one of the ones we refresh a couple of times a day.
[22:36:02] <carny> and whether it should still focus on hong kong or just move straight to beijing
[22:38:54] <FatPhil> I'm one of those weird imperialists that believes that just because we agreed to give HK back a century ago doesn't mean further negotiation was off the table. we didn't even fight for HK rights, we just walked away.
[22:39:28] <carny> they should fire the guy who made that deal
[22:39:42] <carny> worst deal in the history of giving back island deals believe me
[22:39:52] <FatPhil> That's the brilliance of 100 year deals, you never have to see the final consequences.
[22:41:03] <carny> i think a majority of hk'ers agree with you
[22:42:06] <FatPhil> We should have granted automatic joint-UK citizenship to them, IMHO.
[22:42:13] <carny> it's hard watching people get beaten up trying to resist the take over knowing that the 5 eyes spooks are heavily involved
[22:42:36] <carny> but in this case i think the alternative would be far worse for the locals
[22:43:34] <FatPhil> Yeah, I don't think the game that's really being played is the one that we're seeing on the news. I've not worked out who's really pulling what strings for what gain yet.
[22:45:03] <chromas> NSA's weakening Huawei so they'll stop resisting us putting our backdoors into their phones.
[22:45:04] <FatPhil> What kind of mafia could run a racket on multiple continents, he asks naively...
[22:45:49] <FatPhil> There's backdoors in all CISCO kit, trust me, Freescale made the chips with the secret features.
[22:45:50] <carny> that's not on my desk but in general it's a safe bet that destabilizing hostile regimes is always an active agenda
[22:46:21] <FatPhil> In order to keep costs down, all customers got the secret features, we just never documented them.
[22:46:30] <carny> are there any kits that don't have backdoors?
[22:46:39] <FatPhil> (probably disabled with an efuse, I'd guess)
[22:47:14] <FatPhil> At the OS level, I'd guess most do. These backdoors were at the h/w level.
[22:47:44] <carny> i was asking about hardware
[22:47:46] * chromas rubs his precious $9 Netgear box
[22:48:16] <FatPhil> A mate went for an interview with CISCO and was asked what he knew about "Deep pocket inspection". He misheard, as English was not his first language, and he thought the idea was a creepy one.
[22:48:17] <carny> i just assume all software that anybody cares about has backdoors or known vulnerabilities
[22:48:59] <chromas> Deep Pocket Inspection
[22:49:11] <chromas> "I just need to check for recent penetrations, ma'am"
[22:49:54] <FatPhil> Many ARM vendors have "secure" and "non-secure" versions of the chips, the secure ones almost certainly aren't secure, IYKWIM
[22:50:08] <chromas> Wink wink, nudge
[22:50:33] <chromas> More importantly, where can I learn more about gaining access to the back doors
[22:50:59] <carny> so you buy the non-secure ones and you get the generic user backdoors instead of the ed snowden backdoors?
[22:51:10] <chromas> Dang it, Snowden, you only told us what we already knew! We need the technology!
[22:51:33] <FatPhil> Even the on-site security support from TI didn't have the info that we needed at Nokia, it's NDA'd to heck and back.
[22:51:38] <carny> isn't that funny about the snowden disclosures?
[22:52:10] <FatPhil> I like the fact that some of the fairy stories they used to scare kids with turned out to be all true!
[22:52:12] <chromas> Do they watermark/DRM all the documents so they can tell who leaks?
[22:52:49] <chromas> FatPhil: You mean like Jesus is watching me poo?
[22:52:50] <FatPhil> That on-site support guy didn't even have any docs. That was between ARM and a iny subset of engineers at TI.
[22:52:53] <carny> he is still almost universally hated inside the ic but a few whispers have hinted that he might have been acting under orders
[22:53:08] <carny> and that would probably mean that he still is
[22:53:31] <carny> fun to think about if you're into spy novels i guess
[22:53:57] <FatPhil> chromas: Jesus is inspecting your pocketses
[22:54:05] <chromas> It turns out I was the bad guy all along!
[22:54:36] <carny> FatPhil: ok serious question though
[22:54:45] <chromas> Well he was looking for fishers of men, subtle wink
[22:55:01] <chromas> Did I just say that out loud again?
[22:55:26] <FatPhil> are you back on the topic of rods again?
[22:55:33] <carny> since arm is more of a licensed ip stack than a whole cpu do you think that it's all arm cpus that have the special bits or just the ones used in mass market phones?
[22:55:48] <chromas> Nah, rods are too blank & white
[22:55:57] <chromas> s/n/c/
[22:56:33] <FatPhil> carny: Every chip vendor will buy a different custom subset of the features possible, and some will bolt on their own.
[22:56:48] <carny> right
[22:56:56] <chromas> Ew, bolt-ons
[22:57:21] <FatPhil> ARM has a ready made security solution that both TI and Freescale use, and whoever was the third big player ditto, I forget who that was now.
[22:57:47] <carny> so would the naughty bits be inside the core of the soc instead of farther out towards the io subsystems?
[22:58:10] <FatPhil> Right in the SoC.
[22:58:41] <carny> ok but the soc is still fairly large and complicated
[22:58:48] <FatPhil> But with full rights to block any io or mem access that it wants to from the other cores.
[22:59:06] <chromas> Maybe they have some sort of steganography algorithm to disguise the naughty bits from the engineers
[22:59:29] <carny> the public understanding of the intel management engine is that the 'supervisory' functionality is implemented outside of the main core of the cpu itself
[22:59:46] <FatPhil> yeah, ARM's is way more invasive
[23:00:16] <carny> i'm ignoring the obvious backdoor aspect of the compromised prng which was a hilariously stupid idea
[23:00:17] <FatPhil> intel's can do whatever it wants. ARM's can stop anyone else from doing what it wants.
[23:00:37] <carny> very interesting
[23:01:02] <FatPhil> I was against the merging of the intel PRNG patch to the linux kernel.
[23:01:20] <carny> so was anyone else with more than 3 brain cells ;]
[23:01:37] <FatPhil> The argument was "doesn't matter how non-random it is, stirring it into the pool can't make anything worse".
[23:02:27] <FatPhil> Technically true, unless you go full paranoid (it emulates your stirring, and give out the number that produces the result it wants from stirring"
[23:02:28] <carny> that idiot from intel who was trying to get ted to directly use the outputs unsanitized did everything but wink and twist his mustache
[23:03:19] <FatPhil> He should have just written a driver for it with an '=' rather than an '==' in it - that always works!
[23:03:22] <carny> i would bet my last dollar he got a reaming from his handler after that
[23:03:47] <FatPhil> Or moved from the intel infiltration group into the AMD infiltration group.
[23:03:57] <carny> true
[23:03:58] <FatPhil> with a new name, and new moustache
[23:04:11] <chromas> Is that why AMDs are suddenly all the rage now?
[23:04:13] <carny> failure is rarely punished in government spaces
[23:04:45] <FatPhil> I think intel has just been nearly-failing bigly and repeatedly for something like half a decade.
[23:05:00] <FatPhil> they've missed almost every technology-improvement deadline.
[23:05:10] <FatPhil> Somehow they're still making masses of profit
[23:05:29] <FatPhil> someone's still buying their shit.
[23:05:36] <FatPhil> A big customer in Utah, probably.
[23:06:01] <chromas> Secret bailouts
[23:07:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facial Expressions Don't Tell the Whole Story of Emotion - https://sylnt.us - ♬♬Smiling-faces,-smiling-faces-Tell-lies♬♬
[23:08:04] <FatPhil> That's not news to anyone who's lived in Finland.
[23:09:13] <FatPhil> http://2.bp.blogspot.com
[23:09:13] <systemd> ^ 03Finns+emotions.jpg (image)
[23:36:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Newly Discovered Binary Asteroid 2020 BX₁₂ Passes by Earth - https://sylnt.us - didn't-see-that-one-coming
[23:37:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> a keeper: https://www.bolde.com
[23:37:41] <systemd> ^ 03Wife Builds Pub In Back Yard To Keep Husband From Going Out All The Time
[23:49:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> best argument for voting trump evar: https://tinyurl.com