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[23:56:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ex-NASA Scientist “Convinced” Alien Life Was Found on Mars Over 40 Years Ago - https://sylnt.us
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[22:34:48] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[22:34:23] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[22:34:21] <Sulla> #submit https://www.bbc.com
[22:33:41] <Sulla> Russia situation is pretty interesting. Need to read more about it when I have time
[22:22:58] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[22:22:33] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[22:22:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://www.rt.com Not exactly an unbiased source. Feel free to google up others.
[22:07:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Oracle Ties Previous All-Time Patch High with January Updates - https://sylnt.us - patchy-Tuesday
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[21:50:42] <Sulla> On them videos?
[21:45:27] <chromas> I clicked a link and got only the article text. Too good to be true! Reloading now just gives me their guce.advertising.com tracking redirect bs. Bastids
[21:44:00] <Bender> karma - techcrunch: -2
[21:44:00] <chromas> techcrunch--
[21:36:44] <chromas> Wise wisdom of the wise.
[21:34:35] <FatPhil> Sulla: erm, something something something in response to your comment earlier, just before you left the channel
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[20:15:57] <systemd> ^ 03Unset or Expire HSTS Policy on Apache Server
[20:15:56] <cmn32480> https://stackoverflow.com
[20:15:55] <cmn32480> well damn.. this actually worked.
[20:15:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Philippine Volcano Trembles More, Spews Lava Half-Mile High - https://sylnt.us - ??-I-feel-the-earth.-move.-under-my-feet-??
[20:12:48] * cmn32480 blames NCommander
[20:12:39] <cmn32480> how in the hell do I turn off hsts? it is on, and I have an expired cert in Apache... so I can't get to the site to reinstall the cert...
[20:12:08] <cmn32480> well f**k.
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[18:25:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - An 'Unknown' Burst of Gravitational Waves Just Lit Up Earth's Detectors - https://sylnt.us - like-a-christmas-tree
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[16:45:20] <chromas> But marshmallows don't complain when I press them
[16:44:54] <chromas> Marshmallows have a similar texture to a dry cat nose
[16:38:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - “Marshmallow Test” Redux: Children Show Better Self-Control When They Depend on Each Other - https://sylnt.us - cooperate
[16:35:29] <systemd> ^ 03Hackers
[16:35:28] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
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[16:05:21] <chopchop1> for shame
[16:05:19] <chopchop1> ol FatPhil trying to take credit for sit down guy
[15:59:26] <FatPhil> I coulda been a meme if I'd gone at a different time of year
[15:59:17] <systemd> ^ 03Kebab shop fight breaks out as one diner calmly carries on eating
[15:59:14] <FatPhil> So, FatPhil, what lovely part of Britain did you go to for your late summer holiday? Thanks for asking, I went here: https://www.dailymail.co.uk , and I ate a lot of kebabs (with extra hot chilli sauce ("are you sure?")), thank you.
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[15:07:22] <chromas> With all the monochrome icons and stuff, I'd think modern Android would require fewer resources. Á lasse, the old maxim applies.
[15:00:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> oof. i'm too old to drink like that. ima go lay down and watch tv n drink coffee until i feel human.
[14:59:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> lineageos ftw
[14:58:11] <AndyTheAbsurd> Man, I miss when an Android phone with 1GB of RAM was actually a capable device.
[14:56:42] <AndyTheAbsurd> it'd almost be worth if it, if Samsung's bloatware wouldn't eat the first 12GB before you even install anything.
[14:53:06] <chromas> [Java reference]
[14:46:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Galaxy S20 Ultra to Come With a Whopping 16GB of RAM - https://sylnt.us - if-you-have-to-ask-the-price...
[14:45:54] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 753
[14:45:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ # smoke break
[14:44:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> in the form of large amounts of violence
[14:43:28] <AndyTheAbsurd> be sure to return an error code if /dev/coffee_maker is inaccessible to the current user.
[14:42:32] <AndyTheAbsurd> if you have to make the coffee first, it should be GOSUB _COFFEE_
[14:34:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> and they say GOTO don't have its uses...
[14:34:31] <cmn32480> good plan
[14:34:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> GOTO _COFFEE_
[14:33:29] <cmn32480> this conversation has already exhausted my programming knowledge
[14:33:14] * cmn32480 shurgs
[14:32:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> is higher or lower better?
[14:32:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> I don't think this statement stands up to scrutiny.
[14:32:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> So...C, D and R are the best languages?
[14:31:07] <cmn32480> fewer letters... has to be better, right?
[14:31:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> ebul
[14:30:51] <cmn32480> it's PHP... WAY batter
[14:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i know, is worse
[14:30:45] <cmn32480> this sin't perl
[14:30:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> have some milk of human kindness, i already got a bigass bunch of perl to babysit.
[14:29:25] <cmn32480> crutchy hasn't commited a change to the git repo in over a year
[14:28:41] * cmn32480 peers around FatPhil and looks at TMB's ugly mug
[14:27:51] * TheMightyBuzzard hides behind FatPhil
[14:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> right, s'why you make some other poor fool do it
[14:26:57] <cmn32480> thats the thing about priorities... exec is pretty low on the list. especially given my non-existent coding skillz
[14:26:10] <cmn32480> I know...
[14:25:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> you should pester chromas until he agrees to fix it
[14:25:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, exec's weather function is outdated and don't go no more
[14:23:44] * exec ironically sets a cache of diversity by TheMightyBuzzard
[14:23:42] <cmn32480> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[14:23:40] * exec dexterously slides a rusty trombone of Dooby Snax to the
[14:23:38] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5079
[14:23:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[14:23:38] <cmn32480> ~gday the
[14:23:35] * exec transcendentally fires satchel of political shitposting at coffee
[14:23:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday coffee
[14:23:27] * exec disturbingly penetrates a powerpoint presentation of stale doughnuts with cmn32480
[14:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday cmn32480
[14:23:05] <cmn32480> AndyTheAbsurd - I read about 10 lines worth and made the same decision
[14:14:21] <AndyTheAbsurd> I read what was on my screen, decided it wasn't worth bothering with, and went on with my day.
[14:07:26] * cmn32480 is glad he slept through all that scrollback.
[14:02:26] <chopchop1> oh wow am i gonna have to increase muh log buffer to capture all the overnight drama?
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[12:56:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Amazon Asks Court to Block US/Microsoft Contract Because of Trump Interference - https://sylnt.us - deep-pockets
[11:09:03] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 737 Max "Designed by Clowns"; Boeing Suppliers Affected by Production Suspension - https://sylnt.us - downward-spiral
[10:36:07] <FatPhil> I'd just foe and move on, as I have the "sanity" gene.
[10:34:53] <janrinok> Fortunately, unlike claims made by Ari, she hasn't resurrected herself and appeared on this site
[10:34:01] <FatPhil> Last time I heard that philosophy was from that absolutely psychotic bitch Mother Teresa.
[10:33:31] <janrinok> true
[10:33:25] <FatPhil> Whilst offering pity.
[10:33:14] <FatPhil> and wants them to physically suffer too.
[10:25:55] <janrinok> in your dreams aristarchus - I don't even think that the conversation is worth joining. Stopping any part of our community from expressing their views simply because they do not accord with one's own views is a definite no-no for us. Azuma claims that words cannot hurt people - yet she cannot stand those who disagree with her.
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[10:18:01] <aristarchus> 'Zumi nailed janrinok, again. His real name is "Petain".
[10:13:40] <aristarchus> What? Only seconds, not nanoseconds, or anything. Nothing like the time reading TMB's obvious rebutting of something. Time is, well, time.
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[09:26:35] <FatPhil> that's how he lives so long, he's travelling at a significant proportion of the speed of light.
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[09:07:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Google Researchers Used Neural Networks to Make Weather Forecasts - https://sylnt.us - skynet-is-here
[09:06:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, ima fuck off and get me a two hour nap before coffee.
[09:01:33] <FatPhil> bunch of aryan barbies
[09:01:17] <Sulla> Lies by Mithradates mean to inspire Greek troops
[09:00:24] <Sulla> bunch of barbarians
[09:00:22] <Sulla> I guess, if you are into greek myths
[09:00:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> no big deal to run over to marathon if it's just across the way there
[08:59:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> true. plus the ones who actually lived near marathon got to totally cheat.
[08:58:05] <Sulla> I suppose, if you are into greek fantasies of greatness. Barbarians they were.
[08:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, amateurs? like so they could still qualify for the feeding babies to dogs event in the olympics?
[08:55:02] <Sulla> damn plebs
[08:54:59] <Sulla> Serves em right. People should massacre only needing to be paid by the words "but the glory of rome is forever"
[08:54:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's just not as big a market for them lately. most of the massacre unions have even had to shut down. nowadays you can't even expect to make a decent living wage for feeding babies to dogs.
[08:51:34] <Sulla> If I had killed the Caesar lad like I wanted nobody would care about the numbers
[08:50:38] <Sulla> Marians had to go, saving the republic etc
[08:50:27] <Sulla> Well, mine were justified
[08:50:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well it's understandable you wouldn't be expecting it. we don't do all that many massacres.
[08:50:14] <Sulla> Ask Aristarchus, he's older
[08:49:37] <Sulla> I look away for 10 seconds to play runescape and I get assigned a task.
[08:48:28] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Alice's Restaurant - Original 1967 Recording
[08:48:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt alice's resturant
[08:48:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, i earwormed myself
[08:47:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, get started on that. you're the official sn massacre officer.
[08:47:33] <Julian> Technically true, yes]
[08:47:31] <AzumaHazuki> this is not so. i've spoken with a few "dead" people (or, to be fair, believe I've had evidence of such). Wish like hell i hadn't. It would be so much easier to be a hard materialist.
[08:46:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so if you kill everybody, nobody's sad
[08:46:52] <Julian> The millions of living slaves today agree
[08:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> dead people don't care that they're dead. living people do all the caring.
[08:45:54] <Julian> Nah, I think dead people are always bad. Sometimes with extenuating circumstances, but always regrettable
[08:44:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought it was to say "yay my team! boo your team!"
[08:44:25] <Julian> Communism wins, but the point of this exercise is to recognize the futility in counting bodies like this
[08:43:46] <Julian> Also counting the dead in India under colonialism
[08:43:43] * TheMightyBuzzard cakcles
[08:43:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you take that back! we're #1!
[08:43:25] <Julian> No, communism has far fewer deaths.
[08:42:54] <Sulla> wait, 100m in 450 years? communism beat that in 30. Guess capitalism does lose at something
[08:41:27] <Julian> Every native American and dead African slave goes on the leger of settler-colonialism capitalism dead
[08:40:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> did it now? where was that?
[08:40:41] <AzumaHazuki> oh not this again...centralization of power is a problem no matter the economic system underlying it
[08:40:05] <Julian> Capitalism took 450 years with more than 100,000,000 people dead
[08:39:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> not red ones. they're trying to appropriate my culture.
[08:39:37] <Julian> Socialism brought 200 million people out of feudalism into middle class life in less than 40 year
[08:39:17] <chromas> But...but you like fish
[08:39:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> socialism was just a red herring. no, wait, that was communism.
[08:38:50] <AzumaHazuki> i don't think humans are good enough for actual socialism to work, either. if we were that good, ANY economic system would work including utter laissez-faire
[08:38:34] <Julian> Everything!
[08:38:08] <AzumaHazuki> what does socialism have to do with forum moderation?
[08:36:57] <Julian> A moderation system is censorship, we have already won
[08:36:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, i like you. you're funny.
[08:36:22] <AzumaHazuki> just remember, not choosing is also a choice, and the world doesn't stay static
[08:35:55] <janrinok> Having read your posts and this discussion here - I remain proud to support neither the left nor the right wing on this site. But I cannot agree that we should censor anybody or prevent them from expressing their own views. If they offend you I refer you to the quote of AH's a few lines back.
[08:35:53] <AzumaHazuki> i wish we were, but we ain't
[08:35:49] <Sulla> only in body count
[08:35:45] <AzumaHazuki> socialism isn't going to "win." humans are not capable of it on a large scale
[08:35:28] <Julian> It's only breakfast burrito o'clock here so I win, like socialism will
[08:34:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> good point. now do i start the coffee maker early or get a few hours of sleep?
[08:33:59] <AzumaHazuki> christ, it's 3:30 in the morning
[08:33:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> dunno if that was true or not but it was damned well funny
[08:33:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hooker, his bed, ha!
[08:33:09] <AzumaHazuki> he knows a lot about shitstains, from some of what he's posted
[08:32:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> his shit ain't been as witty as his earlier stuff the past couple years but he makes a damned fine warrant canary for us becoming authoritarian shitstains ourselves.
[08:31:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya know, i was just thinking how glad i am EF is back active again.
[08:31:16] <AzumaHazuki> Ah, he replied to it even. Seems...rustled, jimmies-wise
[08:30:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> from an authoritarian shitstain?
[08:27:20] <chromas> SoylentCrises
[08:26:04] <AzumaHazuki> janrinok is one of the reasons we have such a problem on this forum. "neutrality" above all in times of crisis. there is a pertinent quote about that.
[08:25:34] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 752
[08:25:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[08:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> fair nuff
[08:25:21] <chromas> I thought it was ⅗
[08:25:17] <AzumaHazuki> turn up your hearing aids, old man
[08:25:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least 5/8, yep
[08:24:44] <AzumaHazuki> do i sound like i give even half as many fucks as deadpool barebacking a rabid honey badger halfway into day 3 of a cocaine and PCP bender?
[08:24:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you ain't got clue one who you just said that to and why he gives not the slightest hint of a fuck about your opinion of him.
[08:24:09] <AzumaHazuki> and you don't even have to pay for it!
[08:23:53] <janrinok> not mad, just got up to start my day and haven't even been on the forum today. Looks like I will have some more crap from you though.
[08:23:51] <chromas> Using mayonnaise for lube gives the sammich a bit of egg flavor around the edges. Noice
[08:23:37] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs
[08:23:08] <AzumaHazuki> oh eat shit and die, janrinok. you're mad because i got all up in your grill on the forum
[08:22:54] <AzumaHazuki> i specifically said i want people like Hallow to argue their shit in direct sunlight and get it torn apart
[08:22:51] <janrinok> I have read the whole exchange - sort yourself out girl
[08:22:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, i dunno wtf she was arguing and i've been here all night. shotgun bitching i think.
[08:22:34] <chromas> That's too much work. What I do is just spew out a bunch of drivel then press enter withoutlskdjf sfkdj e,mn ,mndsfmdkjsd
[08:22:29] <AzumaHazuki> No I'm not. read the backscroll
[08:21:31] <janrinok> <AzumaHazuki> what is it like to be so weak that words hurt you? said that - yet she is arguing for others on this site to be silenced and even banned for holding views different to her own. She ought to be made to read the crap she writes.
[08:20:33] <Sulla> Was recently gifted a multi-hundred dollar wheel of blue. would go good on it
[08:20:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> beyond that qualification, they've all got their place
[08:20:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> non-stinky
[08:20:05] <Sulla> munster
[08:19:52] <Sulla> American
[08:19:39] <chromas> What're the best sandwich cheeses?
[08:19:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, as more senior admin, i hereby delegate fixing the wiki to you for that crack.
[08:19:19] <chromas> colby/jack + pepperjack. It's all we have at the moment
[08:18:49] <chromas> ITT: tmb mansplains his own feelings
[08:18:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> needs more cowbell
[08:18:40] <Sulla> What kind of cheese?
[08:18:26] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[08:18:23] <chromas> I feel like this sammich doesn't have enough cheese. Mighty cranchy though
[08:18:19] <AzumaHazuki> buuuuuulllllshit, private pyle
[08:17:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> cept my ego don't get wounded by internet arguments, so you're seeing annoyance for another reason.
[08:17:01] <AzumaHazuki> it doesn't take a telepath to catch this stuff
[08:16:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> half right anyway
[08:16:43] <AzumaHazuki> you display anger in small bursts when your ego is wounded
[08:16:33] <AzumaHazuki> no, you sound condescending and sociopathic
[08:15:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> seriously though, do i sound angry to you on here most of the time?
[08:14:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, jump on that
[08:14:18] <AzumaHazuki> we need a something awful emoji font. because this deserves a :wank:
[08:13:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> or when it's really funny.
[08:13:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> or trolling. once in a while. when i can't help it.
[08:13:29] * AzumaHazuki dodges the rapidly-expanding nose (beak?)
[08:13:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i genuinely enjoy arguing and mostly sit here being all academic about shit. don't take the four letter vocabulary as more than the bad manners it is.
[08:13:13] <AzumaHazuki> uhh-huh
[08:12:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> you haven't gotten me angry or even annoyed in at least a year.
[08:12:09] <AzumaHazuki> a steam vent in the street?
[08:11:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> whatever blows your skirt up
[08:11:34] <AzumaHazuki> yyyyeah gonna file that under the lies header...
[08:11:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> have been all night
[08:11:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. i'm chillin like a villain.
[08:11:02] <AzumaHazuki> you need to cut back on stimulants
[08:10:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> but only until i switch windows or browser tabs or go to get a drink or whatever.
[08:10:52] <AzumaHazuki> this is what you call serenity?
[08:10:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> annoyed? i do annoyed like a boss
[08:10:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, you just read emotion badly across the internet. i don't do hate. took me a long time to get this level of serenity but i got it and wouldn't go back for love nor money.
[08:09:04] <chromas> homemade cookies are best anyhow
[08:08:59] <chromas> Wait until you hear this though: Google wants to deprecate cookies. At least third-party ones
[08:08:58] <AzumaHazuki> honey you've been a hater from day 1. you just try and deny it
[08:08:33] * TheMightyBuzzard starts hating
[08:08:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> shit, i was wrong!
[08:08:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> hate leads to cookies?
[08:08:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can always get angry later if necessary.
[08:07:58] <chromas> I heard that fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate.
[08:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> true but if it's not immediately useful, there's no point keeping it around either.
[08:07:20] <AzumaHazuki> agreed. justified anger isn't hate though. it doesn't have that driving, obsessive edge to it hate does
[08:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> let's be real clear on this then. do not carry hate around. it poisons the soul and makes you a worse and less happy individual without doing any good at all.
[08:06:04] <AzumaHazuki> only your twisted little mind knows
[08:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> really? what did i gain by it this time?
[08:05:27] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, and it was just as self-serving and obfuscatory last time
[08:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> not the first time i've said that to you, you know
[08:04:48] <AzumaHazuki> you're making the right noises, but past conduct points to a deficit of emotional processing capability
[08:04:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> and bloody stupid to keep around
[08:04:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's poison.
[08:04:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> carrying hate around hurts you and harms whatever you hate not at all
[08:03:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, that's emotional maturity and wisdom
[08:03:40] <chromas> Mmm, the cheese is all running out of the sandwich into the oil and getting dark and crunchy
[08:03:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't have to hate a coyote to shoot it for getting in your chicken house. that's about how i feel about them. except that i think they need to be made an example of to save having to do it again.
[08:03:15] <AzumaHazuki> so that says nothing one way or another
[08:03:10] <AzumaHazuki> you're an emotional cripple though
[08:02:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't carry anything unpleasant about them around though.
[08:02:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, bad word choice
[08:02:04] <AzumaHazuki> i've found the scariest hate is icy-cold, the kind that doesn't even let emotion enter the picture
[08:01:47] <AzumaHazuki> hate doesn't need anger
[08:01:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, i don't hate em. hate implies that i carry a mess of anger at them around all the time. i don't do that.
[08:00:44] <AzumaHazuki> then you hate them too if you agree
[08:00:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya think?
[08:00:20] <AzumaHazuki> you have to hate someone to want to run them alive through a woodchipper
[07:59:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i agree but without the hate. i just think we'd all be better off. same as if we take the trash out instead of piling it all up in the dining room.
[07:58:58] <AzumaHazuki> justified, but still hate
[07:58:53] <AzumaHazuki> most of those assholes should be run through a woodchipper. see, THIS is "hate"
[07:58:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's shit too but mostly because it's got a bunch of assholes on it
[07:57:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, tv is all shit cept cspan
[07:57:40] <Julian> It's easy to be flippant when you have nothing to lose
[07:57:18] <Sulla> baste
[07:57:12] <chromas> Or what's good for the geese is good for the pan...der
[07:57:09] * AzumaHazuki flicks dual Vs
[07:57:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> wut?
[07:57:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> grease is good for the goober?
[07:56:55] * TheMightyBuzzard blows a raspberry at AzumaHazuki
[07:56:52] <chromas> What's good for the grease is good for the gander
[07:56:40] <Sulla> get better oil chromas and you wont care
[07:56:37] <AzumaHazuki> no u
[07:56:36] <Julian> Better to watch CNN I guess right? They're shit, too
[07:56:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Windows 10: NSA Reveals Major Flaw in Microsoft's Code - https://sylnt.us - Ruh-Roh!
[07:56:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you suck at it then
[07:56:27] <Sulla> Buddy of mine has taken to buying geese on craigslist to cook down to the grease, amazing with everything
[07:56:23] <AzumaHazuki> i did my own research
[07:56:19] <AzumaHazuki> i took no history courses in college. there's another strawman
[07:56:08] <chromas> I wonder if deep-fried cheese sandwiches are a thing
[07:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> if all you ever pay attention to is the inflammatory horse shit they teach in college "history", you're no closer to the truth than if you'd believed everything in public school.
[07:55:57] <chromas> I used mayonnaise for the lube instead of butter though
[07:55:45] <chromas> Just cheese
[07:55:19] <Sulla> whats on it?
[07:55:09] <chromas> I overlubed my sammich so now it's cooking in a puddle :|
[07:55:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> your loss
[07:54:29] <AzumaHazuki> it took me until about age 11 or 12 to stop paying any credence to the sanitized horseshit they teach in "history"
[07:54:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like knowing things
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[07:54:01] <Julian> Yeah, Lincoln was shitty, what's your point?
[07:54:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> trivia
[07:53:51] <AzumaHazuki> indeed no. and your point is?
[07:53:41] <Sulla> Ceterum censeo The South esse delendam
[07:53:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> lincoln wouldn't have freed a single slave if it would've saved the union
[07:53:18] <AzumaHazuki> then burned the salt until it screamed for water
[07:53:11] <AzumaHazuki> then salted the ashes
[07:53:08] * TheMightyBuzzard laughs
[07:53:00] <AzumaHazuki> Lincoln had the wrong idea. shoulda burned you traitorous assholes to the ground
[07:52:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> then don't tell me what the places i've actually lived are like, please.
[07:52:48] <Julian> I recon landlords are more often white and conservative, which codes to being bigots. Absolutely, yes
[07:52:35] <AzumaHazuki> shit no
[07:52:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you ever been here for more than passing through?
[07:52:22] <AzumaHazuki> wealthier people tend to skew...ahem..."conservative"
[07:52:15] <Sulla> I would assume more landlords would be discriminitory, as they tend to be awful people
[07:52:07] <AzumaHazuki> and shit yes they do, especially in the deep south
[07:52:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> or bigots of whatever kind
[07:51:58] <AzumaHazuki> if even one person were affected then we'd have a human rights issue
[07:51:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, you reckon racists gravitate to landlording?
[07:51:20] <Julian> Imagine if only 0.1%--a small amount!--of landlords were discriminatory of a small part of 300,000,000 people
[07:51:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> now one lesbian chick i was friends with for a long time probably got no shit because she was a jarhead and would whoop that ass but she lived where she wanted and did what she wanted and never complained once.
[07:50:58] <AzumaHazuki> you are vastly overpriviliging (hah) your own perceptions, and keeping to a rather small area of sampling
[07:50:32] <AzumaHazuki> that you know of
[07:50:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> redneckville oklahoma had gay folks and lesbians who went around doing their thing and got less shit than straight folks on average.
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[07:49:44] <AzumaHazuki> and you actually think people speak their entire minds, and don't deceive?
[07:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i have access to what they say in conversation though. in case you ain't noticed, i do talk a bit.
[07:48:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> bit bigger
[07:48:53] <AzumaHazuki> and you have perfect access to these peoples' minds?
[07:48:38] <AzumaHazuki> and your sample size is what, n=2000 at most?
[07:48:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> and it hasn't been an issue that never came up
[07:48:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, let me rephrase then. i have never met anyone who even disliked lesbians because they were lesbians in my entire life, much less hated them.
[07:47:47] <AzumaHazuki> if this wasn't an issue, there wouldn't be an entire fucking culture war fought over it
[07:47:35] <AzumaHazuki> you can be fired or denied housing for being not-straight in plenty of places. de facto can do what de jure can't
[07:46:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> except pornhub
[07:46:57] <AzumaHazuki> that is demonstrably false
[07:46:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, nobody has given a fuck if chicks are straight or not since the 90s.
[07:46:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> that does not turn baseline into privilege. changing the wording to make it sound worse doesn't change what is.
[07:46:02] <AzumaHazuki> there is a very good reason I'm not out in meatspace to most people. life is easier when everyone just assumes i'm straight
[07:45:32] <AzumaHazuki> being other-than-baseline makes life harder, do you not get this? people who are other-than-baseline face problems "normals" don't. and this has to be taken into account when making choices
[07:45:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can though, apparently
[07:44:54] <AzumaHazuki> good grief, you can't be that stupid
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[07:44:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it's reframing to change the narrative. which is bullshit. normal is not privileged. normal is baseline.
[07:43:20] <AzumaHazuki> privilege just is. it's not good or evil
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[07:43:06] <AzumaHazuki> no, it is not bullshit, nor is it bad. it's a simple acknowledgement that one is more or less close to "default" and for this reason has more or fewer problems
[07:42:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's no moral debt either if all agreed upon compensation was paid.
[07:41:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> privilege is bullshit. it's an attempt to reframe "normal" as bad.
[07:41:35] <AzumaHazuki> debt comes in many forms and money is only one of them
[07:41:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, but paying negates debt. that's what paying means.
[07:41:01] <AzumaHazuki> i'm not trying to guilt you. i'm saying take reality into account. always. and that includes the dreaded "privilege"
[07:40:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> that choice isn't without context but context is not the same as debt or guilt
[07:40:33] <AzumaHazuki> even choices to take--or not--without "agreed upon compensation" still have consequences
[07:39:53] <Bender> karma - sulla: 20
[07:39:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla++ #timely tunes
[07:39:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no debt, only a choice on how to deal with going forward.
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[07:38:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> the shurg was because you were arguing my argument instead of yours.
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[07:38:39] <systemd> ^ 03Freewill - Rush
[07:38:37] <Sulla> https://www.youtube.com
[07:38:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> the problem is, i actually didn't build that shit. my own messes and successes i did build though, because i do not take from others without agreed upon compensation.
[07:38:06] * chromas decides to make a midnight fried cheese sammich
[07:38:05] <AzumaHazuki> and choosing not to choose is still a choice, with its own consequences
[07:37:53] <AzumaHazuki> no, not "shurg." this is here and now and real
[07:36:35] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[07:36:20] <AzumaHazuki> they're not the same thing
[07:36:09] <AzumaHazuki> i don't feel guilty over slavery. why and how should or could i? but here and now, i can damn well take into account how race relations work and adjust my behavior
[07:35:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> i will not even accept any guilt.
[07:35:33] <AzumaHazuki> you don't need to be. you need to be guided by reality
[07:35:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure. but i will not be guided by guilt
[07:35:03] <AzumaHazuki> that's true, but you DO have a choice in, to use that example, how we modern humans in the present deal in race relations
[07:34:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> i had no say in slavery.
[07:34:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i had no say in the choices of my ancestors.
[07:34:13] <AzumaHazuki> everything we choose to do has effects
[07:34:04] <AzumaHazuki> oh, but you do have some say in it. all choices have ripple effects. do they diminish with degrees of freedom, yes, but no choice is made in vacuum
[07:34:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll deal with the problems because they need dealt with. i will not be blamed for them though.
[07:33:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> you. you're trying like hell to get me to accept responsibility for shit i had no say in.
[07:33:32] <Sulla> I can barely get my headphone jack to work as is
[07:33:03] <AzumaHazuki> who says to?
[07:32:53] <chromas> I wonder if PulseAudio can reroute bass to the LFE channel for surround while simultaneously keeping the bass for the headphone jack
[07:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> i didn't say i wouldn't deal with the problems as they stand but i'm not going to accept guilt for things i did not do.
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[07:32:22] <AzumaHazuki> believe me, i'd love to "not take responsibility" for the stupid shit the US government has done, but that's not how it works
[07:32:11] <Bender> karma - chromas: 276
[07:32:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++ # good yt call
[07:32:00] <AzumaHazuki> that doesn't insulate you from the blowback
[07:31:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> will not do it.
[07:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's simple. i will not take responsibility for choices other people made.
[07:31:08] <AzumaHazuki> you've mentioned ADHD and OCD. Maybe there's more to it than that
[07:30:49] <AzumaHazuki> i will never be able to comprehend this solipsism
[07:30:40] <chromas> I can't find it though
[07:30:34] <Sulla> mod sub up
[07:30:12] <chromas> Sulla: seems like we at least had a sub
[07:30:08] * TheMightyBuzzard dances in freedom of bullshit debt
[07:30:07] <AzumaHazuki> oh, you can attempt to run away, not saying you can't try
[07:29:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> watch.
[07:29:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll take responsibility for what i've done and said but i will not take responsibility or owe debt for anything else.
[07:29:46] <AzumaHazuki> you have no choice
[07:29:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope. not having any. thanks just the same.
[07:29:17] <Sulla> Has SN ran an article about neil peart, worlds greatest drummer, dieing?
[07:29:10] <AzumaHazuki> it cares not what you prefer
[07:28:59] * TheMightyBuzzard prefers ancestral gilt
[07:28:49] <AzumaHazuki> you can try all you like not to hold them, but the human form and experience comes with certain baggage
[07:28:47] * chromas offers TheMightyBuzzard some ancestral guilt
[07:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> it means assigning positions to me that you'd prefer to argue with than the ones i actually hold
[07:27:35] <AzumaHazuki> you don't even know what words mean. "strawman" is not a get out of jail free card when you don't feel like facing your opponent
[07:27:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, i don't accept that debt. i had no choice in the matter.
[07:26:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> oooh, chromas wins
[07:26:43] <systemd> https://youtube.com - Greatest Hits by Homer Simpson (5:57)
[07:26:42] <chromas> =yt homer simpson we built this city
[07:26:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, strawman
[07:26:16] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Starship - We Built This City (Official Music Video)
[07:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt K1b8AhIsSYQ
[07:26:10] <AzumaHazuki> no, you solipsistic shitstack, we're trying to get it through your head that this asocial "always defect" game-theoretic view you hold is antithetical to your very nature as well as at odds with reality
[07:26:05] <Julian> I'm assigning you debt to your soul's existence
[07:25:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, this city
[07:25:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> they're trying to assign me debt to choices made by others
[07:25:23] <inz> TheMightyBuzzard, so, essentially, yes
[07:25:20] <Julian> I don't care what THAT is
[07:25:13] <Julian> Yeah you definitely build that
[07:25:02] <AzumaHazuki> because you are human, there are some things baked into your nature you can't escape
[07:24:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> inz, "you didn't build that"
[07:24:30] <inz> I'm having the most fun trying to decode what you're actually arguing about. My best guess the semantics of "earn"
[07:23:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, i operate on truth. assigning debt to choices i did not make is absurd.
[07:22:47] <AzumaHazuki> you operate in the world and milieu their actions created
[07:22:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> what my ancestors did or did not do and my circumstances up until i became able to make my own decisions are irrelevant. they were not my responsibility and i owe no debt for them.
[07:22:31] <AzumaHazuki> you truly do not realize how fragile, conditioned, and transient your beliefs are. change a few things in your history and that version of you would view your current self with utter revulsion
[07:20:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> because it's not an argument. it does not address the issue at hand. it skews way the fuck out into left field because she knows she's wrong.
[07:20:45] <AzumaHazuki> you have far, far less effect than you think
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[07:20:29] <AzumaHazuki> the point is that you do not float freely in a state of divine aseity. you are here, and as you are, because of what all your ancestors did, how everyone around you acts, the state of your environment, your specific geopolitical circumstances, etc
[07:20:10] <Julian> You can't claim that without implicitly endorsing the positive version
[07:19:57] <Julian> That's the negative assertion of the argument
[07:19:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> that has nothing to do with anything.
[07:19:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> and?
[07:19:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> my existence is irrelevant and carries no debt. my parents chose to create a child and that is their responsibility not mine.
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[07:19:15] <AzumaHazuki> had one small thing been different, you could have been disabled or maimed as a child, or contracted some hideous disease
[07:18:41] <AzumaHazuki> you did not pop out of the zero-point field. your existence owes everything to factors outside your control
[07:18:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> and there's the attack because you can't support your shit.
[07:18:22] <chromas> Sulla: fuck yeah. Cheeseburger pizza
[07:18:09] <AzumaHazuki> there's no way to dumb this shit down to the bratty kingergarten level your carrion-molesting ass operates on. sorry you're a fucking retard
[07:18:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, i think so. maybe get them notarized at least.
[07:17:46] <Julian> Do I need to cosign my own statements?
[07:17:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> so make an argument that's not pulled out of your crusty ass
[07:17:35] <AzumaHazuki> i've explained the fallacy of the stolen concept to you over and over and over again
[07:17:14] <AzumaHazuki> if you think that's "random bullshit," then you are incapable of arguing on the level necessary to understand the position
[07:17:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> being alive or not has nothing to do with debt, moral or material.
[07:16:45] <Sulla> TheMightyBuzzard, on a pizza?
[07:16:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not supporting your position, you're arguing random bullshit.
[07:16:27] <AzumaHazuki> he's way more chill than me (may be the special K?)
[07:16:11] <AzumaHazuki> no, he and i are arguing the same thing
[07:16:00] <AzumaHazuki> 01:50 < AzumaHazuki> if any single one of your ancestors had been unlucky, one stray bullet or aggressive virus or spoiled meat pie or pissy sabre-toothed cat...you wouldn't be here
[07:15:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> julian's your sock puppet now?
[07:15:45] <AzumaHazuki> 01:47 < Julian> You are a fantastically lucky descendant of a series of fantastically lucky self-replicating organisms that are a stupendisouly unlikely accident in the universe and you should have some god damn humility in that condition
[07:15:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, burger, bacon, double cheese
[07:15:28] <AzumaHazuki> do you just not read plain fucking english or what?
[07:13:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> show me where you supported it. it's all logged. i'll wait.
[07:13:59] <AzumaHazuki> Once more: so what i see here is Julian (and myself) pointing out that you didn't "earn" shit all alone, showing you the biological, historical, and sociological reasons why not, and you going "nuh uh you're wrong so neener neener neener."
[07:13:37] <AzumaHazuki> projection again
[07:13:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> you didn't support your argument, how do you expect anyone to be convinced by it?
[07:12:50] <chromas> But were she to try, she'd be dereferencing a null pointer
[07:12:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, when i get tired i'll say screw you guys and go to bed.
[07:12:40] <AzumaHazuki> too bad the moral lesson wasn't
[07:12:15] <Sulla> point taken
[07:12:00] <chromas> To be fairrrr, her response was about internet dick sucking
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[07:11:44] <AzumaHazuki> what is it like to be so weak that words hurt you?
[07:11:42] <Sulla> You point out you are a gay girl to make a point, then complain someone else is virtue signaling
[07:11:24] <Sulla> lol
[07:11:15] <Sulla> Ohhh gee someone who wants people they disagree with to have their familys die so they "learn a lesson" doesn't respect me. Really showed me
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[07:10:15] <AzumaHazuki> i lost all respect for you months ago.
[07:10:08] <AzumaHazuki> Stop virtue signalling, Sulla
[07:09:19] <Sulla> Others do it too, and its a shame
[07:09:04] <Sulla> When you are online you get to be 100% equal. Competing only with ideas. Why with you does it always have to come back to identity?
[07:08:56] <Cascade> I guess that would go into the memory hole. That way it can come back to bite later.
[07:06:50] <AzumaHazuki> one of those is "gay girl sucking a dick."
[07:06:34] <AzumaHazuki> yes. there are some ideas that go in the memory hole
[07:06:19] <Cascade> Segmented memory model in 2020?
[07:06:02] * AzumaHazuki wonders if it would be possible for people to argue in shifts and keep this ADHD sperglord going until he drops
[07:05:15] <AzumaHazuki> you do realize that's a segmentation fault don't you?
[07:05:03] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 751
[07:05:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++ #smoke break
[07:04:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> suck a dick
[07:04:43] <AzumaHazuki> too long. go to bed already
[07:04:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> how long have i been typing?
[07:04:15] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[07:04:15] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[07:03:53] <AzumaHazuki> fools die laughing. i don't begrudge you that
[07:03:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it doesn't bother me. it makes me laugh at you.
[07:03:34] <AzumaHazuki> why do I need to do anything else when this works? :)
[07:03:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> irrelevant. you can't do anything else so there's no option.
[07:03:14] <AzumaHazuki> you don't like that a cootie-infested girrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl is whooping on you
[07:03:01] <AzumaHazuki> when the attacks are true, why not?
[07:02:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> attack some more. it's all you know how to do.
[07:02:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure sure
[07:02:29] <AzumaHazuki> Hah! He'll shove his boot so far up your ass he'll step in the last thing your maternal grandfather ate
[07:02:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll be happy to spank julian upside the head in that argument tomorrow though.
[07:01:51] <AzumaHazuki> you never proved your case even back then. you did the same thing you always do, which is get pissy and snarky and then run away
[07:01:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck you, i'm not googling that up out of all the comments on the site while drunk. nor am i opening a mysql prompt on the prod db.
[07:00:53] <AzumaHazuki> and i doubt you ever will, as it's counterfactual to humanity
[07:00:39] <AzumaHazuki> so you're full of shit and empty of ideas then. and no, no you have not made that case
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[07:00:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> i did offer to do it tomorrow though
[07:00:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, no, you're seeing me say i've already made that case repeatedly and don't feel like doing it while drunk. and then fucking with you.
[07:00:04] * chromas assumes Position 67
[06:59:53] <Julian> I care about power, not rationality. Who cares what is rational if everyone has healthcare without going bankrupt
[06:59:51] <AzumaHazuki> and yet...we're the ones not supporting our positions...?
[06:59:41] <AzumaHazuki> so what i see here is Julian (and myself) pointing out that you didn't "earn" shit all alone, showing you the biological, historical, and sociological reasons why not, and you going "nuh uh you're wrong so neener neener neener."
[06:59:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, yeah, it's pretty good politically. rationally it's a null program.
[06:59:18] <Sulla> Emoji have gone too far
[06:59:00] <chromas> Needs moar clap emoji
[06:58:50] <Julian> Always attacking is fine, politically, I recommend it
[06:58:27] <AzumaHazuki> and today was taco tuesday
[06:58:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> to show you that you always attack and never support your own shit.
[06:58:21] <AzumaHazuki> kiss my entire ass starting and ending at the brown eye
[06:58:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> to. fuck. with. you.
[06:58:09] <AzumaHazuki> that is not arguing in good faith
[06:58:04] <AzumaHazuki> then. why. did. you. say. this.
[06:57:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> so it doesn't matter if it is or not.
[06:57:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm of the fuck if i know, but i doubt it position. humans at the very least cannot function as if time is predetermined.
[06:57:44] <AzumaHazuki> Support Your Position (TM)
[06:57:34] <AzumaHazuki> true or false? "everything in the universe was determined the instant it was created. every particle's path through time."
[06:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not brave sir robin. that's mocking your non-arguing ass
[06:57:02] <AzumaHazuki> the Brave Sir Robin dance is not a defense
[06:56:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i ALWAYS defend my positions. always.
[06:56:36] <AzumaHazuki> do you actually believe this?
[06:56:32] <AzumaHazuki> so let's go back to this thing you said about "everything in the universe was determined the instant it was created. every particle's path through time."
[06:56:08] <AzumaHazuki> look who's fucking talking
[06:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> she lost before she even started.
[06:55:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> she's attacking a position i don't even hold while utterly not even mentioning why the contra might be correct.
[06:55:59] <AzumaHazuki> you seriously think we're all as dumb as or dumber than you, else you wouldn't try that
[06:55:45] <AzumaHazuki> horsehockey. you got cornered and said some stuff you didn't feel comfortable admitting to and are trying to bravado your way out of it
[06:55:30] <Julian> She seems to be doing better than you
[06:55:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, have. i'm just shitposting to wind AzumaHazuki up by demonstrating that she never supports her shit.
[06:54:45] <AzumaHazuki> the only reason you're not a Dominionist is you think you yourself are God
[06:54:30] <AzumaHazuki> good grief, this guy would have been a perfect Calvinist inquisitor 500 years ago
[06:54:04] <Julian> Starting with JUST the books I can see from where I am you could read: The Beginning of Infinity, Gravitation, and A Brief History of Time
[06:54:04] <FatPhil> and our best best guess (QFT) under the most popular of the interpretations says that they're strictly non-deterministic.
[06:53:52] <AzumaHazuki> you could cut off everything after the word ass there and be correct
[06:53:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, beats me. i'm talking out my ass because i'm not a determinist. and you still haven't offered a counterargument.
[06:53:16] <AzumaHazuki> and they are merely our best guess crack at how reality, as we can perceive it, works
[06:52:54] <AzumaHazuki> determined by whom, exactly? careful not to get metaphor mixed up with reality. "laws" of nature are descriptive, not proscriptive
[06:52:53] * MrPlow smakes Julian upside the head with a donkey dong
[06:52:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Julian
[06:52:36] <MrPlow> pass 1: 665
[06:52:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> #roll 4d400
[06:52:29] <Julian> No, again, wrong
[06:52:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> everything in the universe was determined the instant it was created. every particle's path through time.
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[06:51:55] <Sulla> Decades of skill it took him to get there, but chance played a roll
[06:51:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i'm not speaking opinion. i'm speaking fact.
[06:51:44] <AzumaHazuki> "no stray bullets." The just world fallacy has eaten you alive
[06:51:25] <Sulla> into a microsoft exec in a airport bathroom and got a contract
[06:51:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> doh!
[06:51:16] <MrPlow> #fite restricted to the channel #fite
[06:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> #fite Julian
[06:51:13] <AzumaHazuki> ...not even you are ignorant enough to believe that, Uzzard
[06:51:09] <Sulla> Luck very exists. Met the guy who wrote one of the first programs for fractional overnight back transactions. Bumped
[06:51:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are no stray anything.
[06:51:06] <Julian> I'm stacking K weed and booze, fight me any time
[06:50:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> there are no stray bullets
[06:50:45] <AzumaHazuki> if any single one of your ancestors had been unlucky, one stray bullet or aggressive virus or spoiled meat pie or pissy sabre-toothed cat...you wouldn't be here
[06:50:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, you're being silly and i'm still drunk. if you want to do this sober i'd be happy to.
[06:50:03] <AzumaHazuki> you could argue that but you'd be wrong
[06:49:56] <Julian> Oh, well, now I'm convinced
[06:49:53] * chromas rolls 12
[06:49:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> granting you that luck exists in the first place for the sake of argument. most of what you'd call luck i'd argue is not.
[06:49:13] * AzumaHazuki watches the point go sailing over Uzzard's ugly carrion-molesting head around Mach 2.2 or so
[06:48:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> and? luck does not carry an obligation.
[06:48:22] <Julian> You are a fantastically lucky descendant of a series of fantastically lucky self-replicating organisms that are a stupendisouly unlikely accident in the universe and you should have some god damn humility in that condition
[06:48:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, Julian is at least being humorous in his silly argument. yours is just stupid.
[06:48:09] <AzumaHazuki> motherfucker, this is why I would drop you off bare-ass naked in the woods somewhere 200km from human civilization. you believe this? show it. support your position, as someone said recently
[06:47:36] <inz> TheMightyBuzzard, there's a cure for that
[06:47:28] <AzumaHazuki> ...ahahahahahaha
[06:47:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i did. all of the things.
[06:47:22] <AzumaHazuki> do you think you emerged fully formed from the zero point field?
[06:47:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> inz, makes me wish i wasn't starting to sober up
[06:47:10] <AzumaHazuki> no, not bullshit, Uzzard. no one, and this includes our primate ancestors
[06:47:04] <Julian> No, you never did. Not one thing.
[06:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, i did
[06:46:56] <inz> Following this discussion has made me wish I liked popcorn.
[06:46:52] <Julian> Nope, you didn't
[06:46:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> bullshit
[06:46:35] <Julian> No one ever earned anything alone
[06:46:29] <AzumaHazuki> now it may be you're actually physically miswired, in which case i owe you an apology and ought to stop belaboring the point. you can't get blood from a stone after all
[06:46:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> what i took from it is keep your hands out of my shit because i worked hard to get it.
[06:45:51] <AzumaHazuki> you clearly have not, if this is what you took from your experience Uzzard
[06:45:44] <Julian> Yeah you're team Moloch, we get it
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[06:45:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i have. so when i tell you you're full of shit, i'm speaking from a point of authority.
[06:45:32] <AzumaHazuki> Sulla: i don't want him to die, shithead. I want him to live
[06:45:18] <Sulla> "Agree with me or die" typical Azuma
[06:45:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> who said i haven't? i just don't give a shit about what he had to say because our beliefs are in direct conflict.
[06:45:00] <AzumaHazuki> this isn't hate. it's pity and sorrow
[06:44:55] <AzumaHazuki> and this, Uzzard, is why I hope you starve, suffer chronic illness and homelessness, all the things that will break you to pieces so you understand finally. because your kind only learn through personal suffering
[06:44:36] <Julian> I think you should have heard of him
[06:44:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you think i worship at the feet of FDR?
[06:44:11] <AzumaHazuki> this is the key choke point here. this is where the core of his worldview, the utter solipsistic selfishness, is exposed
[06:44:02] <Julian> Now who is ignorant of history
[06:43:45] <Julian> Fucking FDR articulated this like 60 years ago
[06:43:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, you can. people have been doing so for hundreds of thousands of years.
[06:43:11] <AzumaHazuki> seriously, look at this shithead
[06:43:06] <AzumaHazuki> Julian: are you seeing this?
[06:43:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is a comfort issue not a liberty one.
[06:42:59] <AzumaHazuki> when you're starving, you can't pursue "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness"
[06:42:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, it in fact is not but that's another matter
[06:42:45] <AzumaHazuki> that is precisely true though
[06:42:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> "starving people aren't free" ring a bell?
[06:42:26] <AzumaHazuki> what i do fucking believe is that objects don't have priority over people
[06:42:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've said as much many, many times.
[06:42:04] <AzumaHazuki> er, no i don't. stop strawmanning
[06:41:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, and you believe comfort is a human right
[06:41:54] <AzumaHazuki> how shallow and self-centered
[06:41:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> the ONLY belief i have any mild issue with is i can't bring myself to hate the "mow your lawn or we will and bill you" policy in my town.
[06:41:21] <AzumaHazuki> i don't believe "the state" needs to be in loco parentis. what I do belive is that there are human rights, things that emerge from who and what we are, that any successful society needs to uphold
[06:41:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not uncomfortable stating anything. if i believe it, i say it. i give not a fuck.
[06:40:41] <AzumaHazuki> talk about a strawman
[06:40:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> but, no, you will never convince me that the state needs to be mommy and daddy and we should be treated like children
[06:40:26] <AzumaHazuki> but see, even that one single exception there is a "black swan" for your "ALL TAXATION IS THEFT HURRRR" argument. you were uncomfortable as hell admitting that much even
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[06:39:59] <AzumaHazuki> horseshit
[06:39:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just have that mental editing going on.
[06:39:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i've mentioned others
[06:39:31] <AzumaHazuki> which is...so shortsighted and animalistic as to be almost funny
[06:39:21] <AzumaHazuki> the one time you finally broke down and used the specific phrase "necessary evil," the only thing you admitted under that umbrella was the military
[06:39:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> support ANY of your shit then
[06:38:32] <AzumaHazuki> that's, again, not an argument
[06:38:25] <AzumaHazuki> you...are "going to hell" if you die in this state of mind
[06:38:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> support your shit, weakass.
[06:38:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, it's your standard playbook. attack. if attacking doesn't work, attack a strawman. if that doesn't work, say i'm going to hell.
[06:37:29] <AzumaHazuki> christ, you're not even close...
[06:37:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, nah. not once you grok ownership.
[06:36:58] <chromas> Is Rust more complex than C?
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[06:36:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> and yet you'll forget that next time we have this discussion in favor of your strawman
[06:36:26] <AzumaHazuki> so does pretty much anything more complex than C. elegans; congrats, you've discovered reciprocity
[06:36:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> or by aiding them in return
[06:35:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> i show my gratitude every day by giving money to those who aid me
[06:35:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you've not heard me be ungrateful to anyone who's contributed
[06:35:34] <AzumaHazuki> everything is build on top of older everything, is his point. you didn't just pop out like Athena out of Zeus' forehead fully formed
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[06:35:16] <Sulla> What did you order. Roommate just ordered pizza
[06:35:05] <AzumaHazuki> i think his point is that you didn't appear out of the aether. your history, social milieu, family, and surroundings make you what you are. but the attitude you have is, among other things, profoundly ungrateful. maybe not even aware of this enough to be ungrateful...
[06:34:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> being similar on any level does not obligate me to support anyone i have not chosen to.
[06:34:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> pizza
[06:34:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> having protons does not obligate me to pay for some guy's lunch because he is too.
[06:33:51] <AzumaHazuki> you're stuffed with straw? i thought that was feathers
[06:33:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, so?
[06:33:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you plan on supporting your loony tunes tonight or you just going to keep attacking that strawman?
[06:33:07] <Julian> Just by existing as a being made of matter, you are connected to every other piece of matter. Sorry to break the news to you
[06:33:06] <AzumaHazuki> someone shattered the glass in his mirror neurons :v
[06:32:54] <AzumaHazuki> pssh, expecting this solipsistic walking Cluster B personality disorder to understand that is futile.
[06:32:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, we're not responsible for anyone we don't choose to be responsible for. nor should we be.
[06:32:09] <Julian> Which is why I am an anti-natalist
[06:32:02] <AzumaHazuki> LFS for Reality
[06:31:55] <AzumaHazuki> it'llbe worse than fucking Gentoo :D
[06:31:52] <Julian> Pick a scale, from the quantum, to the sociological, we are all connected and we are born into a responsibility to each other
[06:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, mental editing.
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[06:31:37] <AzumaHazuki> no taxes. your signature wiped off the social contract. just you and all of reality. no one to tell you you didn't "build that" because everything you have you'll have to build
[06:31:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> dude, where'd you even get enough straw for a strawman that big? your neighbors are going to call the fire marshal on you.
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[06:31:07] <Julian> You can't atomize yourself from society either, at any scale
[06:30:46] <AzumaHazuki> just him and his, heh...wits. Bear Gryllis II
[06:30:33] <AzumaHazuki> not the universe, just society
[06:30:22] <Julian> Even that's not isolated from the world. You cannot atomize yourself from the universe
[06:30:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> and? the core of my beliefs also says "adjust as necessary to reality"
[06:30:03] <AzumaHazuki> you even tried that "asocial" shit Runaway pulled
[06:29:51] <AzumaHazuki> this is the core of your beliefs
[06:29:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you think that's what i believe, you've done some serious mental editing. we've had conversations where i've gotten much, much more detailed than that.
[06:29:22] <AzumaHazuki> no taxes. no social contract. just you and reality
[06:28:55] <AzumaHazuki> since, you know, no one should take from anyone else to survive
[06:28:44] <AzumaHazuki> and let you do it all alone from there
[06:28:38] <AzumaHazuki> good Lord, no, give my druthers I'd just give you exactlty the end result of what you claim to believe: drop you off naked and unarmed far away from civilization
[06:28:36] <Julian> I'd take an extra dime from you to raise your blood pressure about losing it
[06:28:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, what's oj got to do with it?
[06:28:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, given your druthers, yes. i think you'd take half of what is in my wallet every week and make me work twice as hard for what i have now.
[06:27:49] <AzumaHazuki> no, no. this is just a prediction, is all. and every time you respond you hammer it home further
[06:27:46] <Julian> Oh ok so it's more about The Jews
[06:27:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, think again. my town's half black and there ain't white neighborhoods n black ones.
[06:27:27] <AzumaHazuki> you actually think i'm trying to make you enjoy those things less?
[06:27:05] <Julian> Subject to a melanin assay
[06:27:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> nothing you can say or do will make me enjoy it one whit less.
[06:26:58] <AzumaHazuki> again, you miss the point...
[06:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i love life, darlin. friends, family, fishin... hell, i even like my neighbors.
[06:26:35] <AzumaHazuki> there will be no more illusions and no more hiding. you'll see it all, everything, your relation to it, and what you did and failed to do
[06:26:15] <AzumaHazuki> i've tried to explain this before: what you will probably perceive as "hellfire" due to a Christian-ish cultural surrounding is nothing more than clear, undeluded sight directed inward
[06:25:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean you had to come up with "progressives" because you were in direct conflict with the ideals of liberalism
[06:25:34] <AzumaHazuki> oh, don't misunderstand...it'll be you making you suffer, not me
[06:25:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, you guys are too funny to make me suffer.
[06:25:10] <Julian> AzumaHazuki, let's do both then
[06:24:45] <AzumaHazuki> Julian, how I wish I could believe that! it would be so much easier on me. But I've seen and experienced too many things to the contrary
[06:24:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, i know
[06:24:21] <AzumaHazuki> that's not an argument, that's a prediction
[06:24:19] <Julian> naaah nothing happens when you die, we have to make reactionaries suffer in THIS life
[06:24:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, every time you say "you are going to hell", everyone knows you've run out of ability to defend your position and lost the argument
[06:23:42] <AzumaHazuki> you will suffer as long as you need to. could be hours, could be decades, who knows
[06:23:24] <AzumaHazuki> you are going to hell. not a place, so much as a state. it is not an argument as such because there is no arguing with a diehard solipsist
[06:23:21] <Bender> karma - julian: 2
[06:23:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian++
[06:23:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, ha!
[06:23:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> that is not an argument
[06:23:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> and back we go to "you're going to hell!!!!"
[06:22:49] <AzumaHazuki> there is no arguing productively with a willful solipsist
[06:22:46] <Julian> I defend my positions, and I earn many fake internet points that I redeem for IRC smugness
[06:22:39] <AzumaHazuki> again...your ego is the problem. this life or the next holds the events necessary to shatter it. you'll suffer, but from that suffering something better will come
[06:22:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, no excuses. you want your position to be taken seriously, support it.
[06:22:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are wrong on this and it's in the logs.
[06:22:08] <AzumaHazuki> i know nothing i do will change you. that's fine. all i'm doing is trying to burn these patterns into you. they'll come to "life" when the time is right
[06:21:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> check the logs
[06:21:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, when you bitch about them i answer your objections.
[06:21:13] <AzumaHazuki> again: stop projecting. you don't support yours, you state them as axioms
[06:20:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> you have never, not ever, not even once, supported a position of yours though.
[06:20:48] <AzumaHazuki> your adamantine ego needs to be broken. it will happen, now or in a few decades.
[06:20:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, projection. i explain in great detail when you ask me about my positions. we sat here several hours one night doing just that last month.
[06:20:33] <AzumaHazuki> Uzzard, I get it. I hold no hope of ever changing what passes for your mind. Only hideous suffering will do that, in this life or the next
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[06:19:59] <Julian> Nah. But my god, so many engineering majors need to be sent back for remedial writing courses bases on the students I had to teach at the writing center
[06:19:57] <AzumaHazuki> your entire worldview is built on your own solipsism. there is no having a debate with that. you're the proverbial immovable object
[06:19:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> support your position or at the very least pick which of mine you believe to be wrong and i'll be happy to tell you why you are in fact the one who is wrong.
[06:19:24] <AzumaHazuki> When you do something approaching a debate i'll debate. all you do is sit there and go "fuck you you're wrong"
[06:19:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> then your professors need their creds pulled for passing you.
[06:18:58] <Julian> I double majored in polisci and English, thanks
[06:18:55] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, I hope you check your scrollback later. This is the face of the problem this site has. You're looking at him right here.
[06:18:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't give a shit which you do, either of you. i just wish either of you had taken debate classes in school.
[06:17:57] <Julian> I might
[06:17:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> stay then
[06:17:44] <AzumaHazuki> fuck you, no
[06:17:43] <Julian> Make me
[06:17:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> leave then
[06:17:31] <Julian> I reject your specific premises
[06:17:30] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, see, this shit is one of the main reasons I wouldn't mind if SN just disappeared entirely and would do it myself if I could
[06:17:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, support your shit or stfu. you're boring the hell out of me telling you this over and over.
[06:16:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, you're refusing to debate as well when asked for specifics.
[06:16:53] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Using Huawei in UK 5G Network 'Madness', Says US - https://sylnt.us
[06:16:50] <AzumaHazuki> whenever you get your shit wrecked you snark and run away. we've all seen it, all over the forum, and even ACs call you out on it
[06:16:37] <Julian> well I'm in a k hole and doing better IMHO
[06:16:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> you refuse
[06:16:27] <AzumaHazuki> even when you're sober you can't support yourself
[06:16:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you don't support your position AT ALL
[06:16:12] <AzumaHazuki> don't project your failures onto me
[06:16:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> fucking hell, i'm drunk and i can support my position better than you. you suck all of the ass at debate.
[06:14:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> you say the slogan and then go around telling people they're going to hell. your participation is empty.
[06:14:16] <AzumaHazuki> yes, I did, over and over and over again. you willfully refuse to hear it
[06:14:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you don't even say the message
[06:14:00] <AzumaHazuki> and, again, like Julian said, don't project your failures onto people
[06:13:44] <AzumaHazuki> keep telling yourself that. the message ain't wrong just 'cause you don't like the envelope, anger doesn't mean wrong
[06:13:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, the difference between the two is twenty years of age.
[06:13:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> there is no thought in your part of this conversation, only anger and insult.
[06:13:18] <AzumaHazuki> "wants the status quo" is conservatism. reactionary means burn it all down and go back to $TIME
[06:12:58] <AzumaHazuki> you don't even know what the fuck words mean
[06:12:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes. you contribute nothing but angry noise.
[06:12:51] <Julian> *airhorn continues*
[06:12:43] <AzumaHazuki> LOL, I'm the boring one
[06:12:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, and yet it's true.
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[06:12:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you're getting boring. support your position.
[06:12:13] <Julian> Naturalistic fallacy *rap airhorn sound effect*
[06:11:41] <AzumaHazuki> ...aaand yet,here you are
[06:11:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> resistance to change is built into humanity. only a severe narcissist would think themselves superior to humanity and fit to guide them all.
[06:11:16] <AzumaHazuki> ^ this, also
[06:11:10] <Julian> Don't project your failure of imagination on the better part of humanity
[06:11:02] <AzumaHazuki> that's conservatism, not reactionary
[06:10:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, you're an idiot. the overwhelming majority of humanity are reactionaries. they want nothing so much as for tomorrow to be more or less like today and when someone fucks with that they get pissed off.
[06:10:04] <AzumaHazuki> hah, he'd never try this shit in meatspace, not unless he had a ring of like-"minded" buddies to cluster around
[06:09:34] <Julian> That's praxis
[06:09:31] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, cry harder you tone-trolling dipshit
[06:09:29] <Julian> It's definitely a bad word and it should get you a pint glass smashed in your face if you speak this way at a bar
[06:09:22] <AzumaHazuki> "reactionary" doesn't even begin to cover this kind of autofellating solipsism
[06:09:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, see? attacking. never, ever, supporting your own position.
[06:08:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, you say reactionary like it's a bad word. it's not and you're a pretentious shithead for thinking it is.
[06:08:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, because i can answer every damned objection you have. because i've already thought of them.
[06:08:13] <Julian> Politics is about power, I honestly don't care about convincing reactionaries. They'll be defeated before they can be turned.
[06:08:09] <AzumaHazuki> your body lives, but your mind is walking dead. you strangled it.
[06:07:51] <AzumaHazuki> nothing will convince you, because you have decided not to be convinced. you are as much a fideist as John Calvin
[06:07:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's your job to convince. that's what arguing is.
[06:07:12] <AzumaHazuki> just because you can't or won't understand doesn't make that the case
[06:07:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> not in one argument we've had.
[06:06:58] <AzumaHazuki> and that IS what you're trying to do. this is solipsism. you are trapped in your skull
[06:06:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you never support your own position. ever.
[06:06:33] <AzumaHazuki> you can no longer make wrongness right by ignoring people pointing out it's wrong than you can blow out the sun by writing "night" on your cell wall
[06:06:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, no, you're going to assume i don't care about other people because it would fuck up your world view if i did
[06:06:06] <AzumaHazuki> oh fuck you, you weak little shit. you know you're getting your ass handed to you
[06:05:58] <Julian> I'm not going to convince you why you should care about other people, and there's not a sufficient audience here to persuade. I won't bother
[06:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> you only attack and think that makes your position correct
[06:05:51] <AzumaHazuki> as the meme says, we live in a society. all of us. it's global. that means all humans. to countenance the idea that some humans are not humans strikes at the genetic underpinnings of this truth. it is nonsense, logically contradictory
[06:05:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you never back your shit up so i'm gonna ignore your input on this argument.
[06:05:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, support your claims then. point out an example
[06:05:09] <AzumaHazuki> fucking everything you've said can be, with the exception of the stuff that's just internally self-contradictory
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[06:04:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you can't. you can be the tool of someone who is but you cannot do it yourself.
[06:04:43] <Julian> *wanking hand motion*
[06:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> and nothing i've said tonight could be construed as projection
[06:04:27] <Julian> Oh hell yeah you can
[06:04:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can't gaslight and be unaware
[06:04:10] <AzumaHazuki> you cannot escape what you are, Uzzard, no matter how hard you try. and why you wallow, revel even, in your brokenness is beyond me
[06:04:03] <Julian> I don't think you're aware that you're doing it
[06:04:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> deal with others having differing opinions or life is going to suck all the way through.
[06:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, get over yourself. i don't say shit i don't mean outside of a joke.
[06:03:29] <AzumaHazuki> if you wish to exile yourself from society that thoroughly then fuck off into the woods somewhere
[06:03:03] <AzumaHazuki> if you wanna throw away your human card that bad, go ahead. you'll just be a deluded human, the philosophical equivalent of Otherkin
[06:02:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes you would. you like to argue.
[06:02:46] <Julian> Gaslight Obstruct Project
[06:02:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i mean, come on, it's standard in every dictatorial handbook
[06:02:40] <AzumaHazuki> the projection is amazing. if i thought you weren't human i wouldn't be wasting my virtual breath
[06:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> you just want to dehumanize them so you don't have to justify your bullshit
[06:02:12] <AzumaHazuki> what angle do i need to turn this at, Uzzard? two mutually contradictory axioms produce absurdity. anything and everything arises from this contradiction
[06:01:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, i can even do it with a guy who's been on a twenty minute i hate niggers rant. and have.
[06:01:42] <Julian> Karl Popper...
[06:01:36] <AzumaHazuki> you can "win" the way that idiot country music star lecturing an empty chair wins
[06:01:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> i can. and i can win. why can't you?
[06:01:02] <AzumaHazuki> conflicting axioms cannot coexist
[06:00:51] <AzumaHazuki> no, i'm not. it's a self-defeating paradox, the very paradox of tolerance itself, to debate for the sake of humanity the idea that some humans are not humans
[06:00:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> all ideas are open to debate unless you're unable to say why you disagree
[06:00:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> because you are wrong
[06:00:13] <AzumaHazuki> Uzzard, some ideas do not countenance debate. why is this difficult for you?
[06:00:08] <Julian> Yeah no, they are not
[05:59:52] <AzumaHazuki> see, i hate ideas, and i am disgusted with people who hold certain ideas. there is a difference
[05:59:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, you hate more people and refuse to even try to get to know them. you are OBJECTIVELY more hateful.
[05:59:29] <AzumaHazuki> no, you just feel I am
[05:59:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> you are straight up, the most stereotyping, hateful person on the site. that includes the jew haters.
[05:59:01] <Julian> Insects dying from climate change
[05:58:28] <AzumaHazuki> there is going to be a housing crisis in hell, metaphorically speaking, in a few decades. what kind of lives you're all gonna reincarnate back into is anyone's guess but i'll bet dark skin plays into it
[05:58:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> you never speak to them. you'd paint millions of people as white supremacists if you wouldn't get laughed out of town by even the other progtards.
[05:57:44] <AzumaHazuki> again: no "both sidesing" with people who deny other humans are human
[05:57:29] <AzumaHazuki> they speak for themselves
[05:57:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> get out more. meet the people you're condemning to hell without speaking to.
[05:57:17] <AzumaHazuki> you're another soldier-sniffing protofascist without the balls to act on your impulses
[05:56:57] <AzumaHazuki> and your "necessary evils" (the military and fuck all else) are very telling
[05:56:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> and? it is. that doesn't change the fact that it's generally necessary to have income for the government.
[05:56:24] <AzumaHazuki> "all four of them?" Go to Hell you ignorant shitstain
[05:56:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, what, all four of them?
[05:56:01] <AzumaHazuki> "all taxation is theft"
[05:55:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, pick me one single thing i'm dogmatic over and unwilling to discuss.
[05:55:49] <AzumaHazuki> indeed. now go out there and tell today's white supremacists that instead of us
[05:55:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> white wasn't a thing. you had to be the right kind of white.
[05:55:25] <AzumaHazuki> you're a tiny dogmatic little mind with a couple of idees fixees that inform everything you think say and do
[05:55:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> not a little bit, extremely.
[05:55:11] <Julian> There were abolitionists in the time of Jesus Christ. Slavery has always been wrong.
[05:55:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, the entire nation was extremely racist back then.
[05:55:02] <AzumaHazuki> oh horseshit. you have virtually nothing to say and i've heard it all over and over and over again
[05:54:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you'd know better if you ever listened instead of thinking of what you're going to say next.
[05:54:13] <AzumaHazuki> you're another shortsighted idiot who knows the (upfront) price of everything and the value of nothing. what a failure of imagination and humanity
[05:54:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, no, slavery was not shitty in the late 1700s. morality changes over time and you cannot judge yesterday's populace by today's morality.
[05:53:40] <Julian> The US revolution was a bourgeois revolution of upper class whites, of course it was racist from its core
[05:53:39] <AzumaHazuki> that's pure capitalism. it costs less to prevent harm than fix it later
[05:53:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're a socialist, just a wishy-washy one
[05:53:08] <AzumaHazuki> it works amazingly in 31 of the 32 developed countries on the planet
[05:52:54] <Julian> Wow, most people were shitty in the 1700s? I hadn't heard
[05:52:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> but you're also adamant that the government should take huge percentages of anyone who's not poor's income and redistribute it how YOU want it redistributed.
[05:52:43] <AzumaHazuki> and, naive as this may be, i believe capitalism can be a sustainable and positive force. i am not a socialist. you, of course, think I am
[05:52:09] <AzumaHazuki> you would have been up my ass with "gun-grabber" at 120dB beforehand had you not known
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[05:51:55] <AzumaHazuki> yes, because i told people once
[05:51:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> knew that
[05:51:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, no, you're not. nobody gave much of a shit about slavery over here in the late 1700s
[05:51:35] <AzumaHazuki> i bet you never suspected i carry a .22 for one
[05:51:28] <AzumaHazuki> you don't even know my policy positions, and some of them might surprise you
[05:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, that would be your opinion. mine says your policies would do a thousand times more harm but i don't call you evil for believing them, just an idiot.
[05:51:11] <Julian> Learn history outside a Christian madrassa, I'm right
[05:50:50] <AzumaHazuki> don't misunderstand, i don't intend to "convert" you. i understand that you are a lost cause, someone who is trying as hard as he can to throw his own humanity away. it won't work, and you'll find out just how badly it didn't upon death
[05:50:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, learn history. you're extremely wrong.
[05:50:05] <AzumaHazuki> no, I attack you because, again, you are a walking contradiction and are willfully sawing off the branch you sit on for shitz'n'giggles. not even principles. the fucking proud boys are better than you in that regard even
[05:49:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you attack harder every time i fail to give a shit.
[05:49:34] <Julian> We built things the way we did as a devil's compromise with slavers who should have gotten the ax instead
[05:49:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you attack me because you hate that i don't agree with your batshit loony ideas completely. you attack absolutely everyone that doesn't.
[05:48:54] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, they did it with less than 50% this time
[05:48:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> the hell i can't. we built things the way we did so radical nutjobs could not rewrite the nation inside one election cycle at 51% of the voters.
[05:48:28] <AzumaHazuki> because you are cutting off the tree branch you're sitting on to make that argument. you are divided against yourself. from a contradiction, everything arises
[05:48:03] <AzumaHazuki> you are human, and this is why i attack you
[05:47:57] <AzumaHazuki> no, i did not
[05:47:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, you just dehumanized me while saying dehumanizing folks is wrong
[05:47:25] <Julian> pff, you can't have it both ways buddy
[05:47:21] <AzumaHazuki> and tyranny of the minority is still tyranny though
[05:47:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, you would. tyranny of the masses is still tyranny though.
[05:47:04] <Julian> ^yeah
[05:46:36] <AzumaHazuki> the part of humanity that says other parts of humanity aren't human does not get a say an you can go right to Hell with them
[05:46:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, it's not wrong, you're just unwilling to even discuss what negligible means.
[05:46:21] <Julian> I definitely agree with getting rid of counter-majoritarian aspects of the government like the Senate and the Electoral College ;)
[05:46:12] <AzumaHazuki> and there, Uzzard, is your problem: stolen concept fallacy.
[05:45:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> all of it
[05:45:50] <AzumaHazuki> you would disagree, yes
[05:45:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not the arbiter of what is right for humanity. humanity gets a say.
[05:45:44] <Julian> No, that's still wrong because you define reserve a parochial and unsupported definition of "negligible"
[05:45:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i disagree
[05:44:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, true but you can't see the difference between i want to pollute without limit and i want to pollute a negligible amount for massive gains for humanity.
[05:44:36] <AzumaHazuki> and some things are not up for debate. when you deny someone else's human rights, there is no "both sides" to be had and fuck any sealioning freezepeaching shitgibbon who thinks there is
[05:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, i really don't downmod much myself. i mostly +1 Funny people.
[05:43:45] <Julian> At some point disagreement for its own sake is just wanking. "I want to breath clean air" and "I want to pollute the air without limit" aren't equal sides of an argument
[05:43:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> batman?
[05:43:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> the very model of a modern major general?
[05:42:56] <AzumaHazuki> it's clear as day what you are though
[05:42:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> honestly, i like having people around who disagree with me.
[05:42:43] <AzumaHazuki> you'd pick different people, but that's because you don't have the morals of a whelk
[05:42:19] <Julian> Usually just downmod I think
[05:42:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah. you don't say idiotic shit to me often enough.
[05:41:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki wouldn't be on the list though. we have too much fun.
[05:41:36] <Julian> Do I make the list? I'll be disappointed if not
[05:41:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, see, i'd pick entirely different people if i had to make a list of ten the site would be better off without
[05:40:47] <AzumaHazuki> Eth
[05:40:40] <AzumaHazuki> exaeta
[05:40:29] <AzumaHazuki> well, hell, if you ask anyone with three sparkin' neurons and the basic common decency Madokami gave a bracket fungus: Hallow, J-Mo, Runaway, VLM, Entropy, yourself, NPC-$BIGNUM...
[05:39:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above re: lazy
[05:39:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't. that'd take an extra button push.
[05:39:34] <AzumaHazuki> you of all people should never be posting AC
[05:39:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, yes, and who those ten are depends on who you ask.
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[05:39:20] <AzumaHazuki> then git gud, scrub
[05:39:13] <Julian> There's probably 10 terrible people routinely posting bigoted, reactionary, tripe
[05:39:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> veto. i'm one of the lazy.
[05:38:49] <AzumaHazuki> I would personally put ACs at -1; this would encourage people to register and comment, and do what cheap door locks do: keep out the lazy, stupid, and weak
[05:38:19] <Julian> Understandable
[05:38:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> neighborhood of that i expect. tens of thousands of uniques monthly i think. don't want to pull up a mysql prompt while drinking to check.
[05:37:35] <Julian> Start with that, sure
[05:36:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> as in unique ip page views
[05:36:41] <Julian> It can't be more than a few thousand, and maybe a couple hundred that comment?
[05:36:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> page views or commentors?
[05:36:19] <Julian> I mean, realistically, how many daily active users does the site get?
[05:35:34] <Julian> nevermind, it's working now. Wasn't resolving
[05:35:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't hard to spot unless they put all the sneakiness work in before we bothered looking for sneakiness
[05:35:05] <Julian> Is the site down now, btw
[05:35:03] <AzumaHazuki> unknown unknowns, remember?
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[05:34:57] <AzumaHazuki> "verified"
[05:34:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, we lost the only verified sockpuppet
[05:34:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> but there are almost none of them.
[05:34:35] <AzumaHazuki> eh, careful with that one. people sock like mad here and that could end up with a bunch of them dropping -35 karma on you
[05:34:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> negative karma folks already are heavily limited
[05:34:10] <Julian> Rate limit heavily downmodded users, 1 comment per day
[05:34:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, there is nothing liberal about quashing dissent. that is in fact the exact opposite of liberal.
[05:33:56] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i'd been making that last point a few times...sociopaths (we see what you and yours are, Uzzard...) view civility as weakness, and their cries for fairness, civility, and politeness are mocking jeers
[05:33:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> daily i mean, not per poster. you ain't gotta do all the moderating yourself.
[05:33:15] <Julian> AzumaHazuki, any mitigation measure that actually works they will decry as silencing them. I don't count reactionary crocodile tears as worth anything. They use liberal civility against itself
[05:32:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> reckon we need more?
[05:32:10] <AzumaHazuki> we have a problem in the current scheme: posting is more or less unlimited, moderation rate-limited to 10/day, 4/poster
[05:32:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, i've had makeup parties with a 12yo girl recently on account of it's a sausage fest around here and she gets bored. fishing and giving you shit ain't the only things i do.
[05:31:17] <Julian> Or, censorship
[05:30:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'why there are no supermods judging anyone's moderations for political correctness. just the community using their own mod points as they see fit. you know, democracy.
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[05:30:32] <AzumaHazuki> Julian: he kind of has you there :/ that's one reason i've been saying not to silence people; it means you're sinking to his level
[05:30:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> see but, unlike you, i have no desire to silence those whose ideas i disagree with.
[05:29:54] <AzumaHazuki> you don't think, you emote
[05:29:24] <Julian> If you can, politics is about power not rhetoric
[05:28:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, i think you and azuma are the loonies. you want i should give you the boot?
[05:28:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> pffft. you know squat about what i do when i'm not giving you shit, chicky.
[05:27:50] <Julian> We don't let the loony into a private forum for discussing the news. Or do you want to establish SN as a public commons?
[05:27:45] <AzumaHazuki> there is a good reason hindus and buddhists say people like you reincarnate as animals, if you're lucky. your entire existence seems to be in the service of base desires
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[05:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> dominos wouldn't break a hundred but the liquor store across the street would and i heard that garth brooks pina colada song on the way over, so...
[05:25:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> tonight it's mostly a rum filter
[05:25:10] <AzumaHazuki> nothing gets into that solipsistic wasteland but, boy howdy, does a lotta sewage get out. your skull might actually be an observable instance of hawking radiation
[05:24:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, yes, and we let the loony and his sammich board speak on the corner.
[05:24:53] <Julian> We are, as always, debating the nature of the censorship in the community
[05:24:37] <AzumaHazuki> no, no, other way
[05:24:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> pshaw, you can't write to my memory.
[05:24:23] <Julian> The loony down the street with the sandwich board is still visible, too
[05:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> think of it how you will but the content is still there and still visible to anyone who wants to see it.
[05:23:46] * TheMightyBuzzard shrugs
[05:23:38] <AzumaHazuki> you're really something else. i don't think i've ever met a walking piece of write-only memory before, Uzzard
[05:23:31] <Julian> The community deems certain material better or worse to be viewed by default, which is censorship. My fundamental premise is included in the community already
[05:23:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm not a fragile little snowflake who needs to be protected from mean words.
[05:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> AzumaHazuki, part and parcel of being an admin in my case but i did the same over at /. just because i got sick of mob mentality hiding comments from me.
[05:22:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> or anyone can correct a bad downmod.
[05:22:08] <AzumaHazuki> (the question is, why the fuck would you?)
[05:21:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's not censorship. plenty of us browse at -1 so as to ignore butthurt modders. anyone can do the same.
[05:21:28] <AzumaHazuki> moderation as censorship sounds a bit out there, but it kind of is that
[05:21:11] <AzumaHazuki> ...holy hell, that never even occurred to me
[05:20:54] <Julian> We have a moderation system. We already censor people. We are debating the nature of censorship.
[05:20:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> not banning, not shadowbanning, not even removing mod points.
[05:20:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, we're never, ever, ever going to censor someone because we don't like their point of view. end of story.
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[05:19:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> not as a general rule, no, but a well timed spanking can be nice
[05:18:25] <Julian> I believe that you believe that
[05:18:23] <AzumaHazuki> "sodomy, rum, and the lash?" I would not have figured you to be into whipping
[05:18:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> never gonna happen. my life is wonderful.
[05:17:54] * TheMightyBuzzard was getting his pirates and rum on
[05:17:51] <Julian> I mean, we could have some sort of online struggle session for you to learn to hate your former self :)
[05:17:42] <AzumaHazuki> aw, shit, you woke him up
[05:17:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> or did you mean folks YOU don't agree with? because that includes me and i don't feel like banning myself.
[05:17:08] <Julian> Yeah that's barbarism winning, proves my point
[05:16:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> Julian, okay, you've convinced me. i'll start banning and otherwise using admin powers to silence folks i don't agree with tomorrow.
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[04:18:00] <chromas> That's why so many people were butthurt over NPC Wojak
[04:17:52] <AzumaHazuki> all right, get some rest...but please think on these things. neutrality and civility for their own sake are empty and weak, and the sociopaths know this
[04:17:22] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, do you know what the hate-driven ideologue fears most? It's not violence. It's not pain. It's not opposition. It's mockery
[04:17:19] <Bytram> I would like to continue this discussion, but I *am* sick and really do need sleep.
[04:16:38] <Julian> A Man for All Seasons is more apropos
[04:16:24] <chromas> "I don't want to silence them, I just want to take down the whole website"
[04:16:22] <AzumaHazuki> sunlight is the best disinfectant. i want their ideas dragged out into the light, minutely examined, and fucking vivisected
[04:15:57] <AzumaHazuki> that is why i keep saying i don't want to silence, e.g., Hallow or J-Mo
[04:15:38] <AzumaHazuki> i know full well that lesson
[04:15:30] <AzumaHazuki> don't patronize me, Bytram
[04:15:26] <Julian> RIP Neil Peart
[04:15:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Apple Denies FBI Request to Unlock Shooter’s iPhone - https://sylnt.us - won't-or-can't?
[04:15:08] <Bytram> -- H.L. Mencken
[04:15:08] <Bytram> the beginning if it is to be stopped at all.
[04:15:08] <Bytram> oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at
[04:15:08] <Bytram> of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that
[04:15:08] <Bytram> The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most
[04:13:45] <AzumaHazuki> not choosing is a choice. remember that.
[04:13:28] <Bytram> I accept that others will have other views. I do not support them. I do not even like them, and some I find repugnant. But, since they are out of my control, I choose to spend my energy where I can make a difference.
[04:12:59] <AzumaHazuki> and then there's Uzzard, who is a genuine Cluster B case
[04:12:49] <AzumaHazuki> you have a staff problem here. too many editors and admins have this fetish for a kind of false civility and mistaken "neutrality." Janrinok is by far the worst offender.
[04:11:12] <AzumaHazuki> it need not be controllable. it just needs not to be a shithole
[04:11:00] <Bytram> but not controllable.
[04:10:43] <AzumaHazuki> Julian is correct: a small community of under 10,000 people, all in one place, all posting through one interface, is easily maintainable by a few people
[04:10:32] <Bytram> yes, I understand. I. Have. Been. There.
[04:10:09] <AzumaHazuki> You do. But it's starting to drain
[04:09:41] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I suspect I have your respect, not from waging battles in the comments, but by simply speaking my truth.
[04:09:20] <AzumaHazuki> ^ fucking this
[04:09:09] <Julian> The structure of this small community is definitely within the control of a few decent people
[04:09:06] <AzumaHazuki> you know something? I'm starting to understand why the alt-right calls some people "cuck."
[04:08:27] <Bytram> like you, I have spent huge amounts of energy trying to change things that, ultimately, were out of my control.
[04:08:20] <AzumaHazuki> i get it. but...what happens when there's nowhere to go? what happens when your suit fails? what happens when, indeed, the people causing the pollution take your suit away?
[04:07:54] <Julian> Ban the people showering the world with caltrops then!
[04:07:50] <AzumaHazuki> more like, easier to wear a hazmat suit that clean up a city
[04:07:48] <Bytram> It has taken me *many* years to learn where to fight my battles
[04:07:25] <Bytram> it is easier to put slippers on my feet than it is to carpet the world.
[04:07:14] <AzumaHazuki> come on, dammit, you're one of the ones i really like and respect...don't do this :(
[04:06:58] <AzumaHazuki> way to miss the point
[04:06:52] <Bytram> gone.
[04:06:45] <Bytram> use the friend / foe feature, and set a preference that foes get -6 offset to their score.
[04:05:38] <AzumaHazuki> that's a start
[04:05:34] <AzumaHazuki> ACs at -1 by default, some sort of rate-limiting as Julian suggested for accounts that get a lot of Troll and Flamebait mods (that *aren't* sockpuppeting horseshit)
[04:05:13] <Bytram> they speak their minds as do you.
[04:05:04] <Bytram> you are seeing conspiracies that I do not see.
[04:04:51] <Julian> Or maybe rate-limit people with bad karma to like 1 post/comment per day
[04:04:27] <AzumaHazuki> Don't act like the administration of this site has clean hands, damn it
[04:04:13] <Julian> Needs to happen more aggressively then
[04:04:11] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I cannot compel you to stay. The choice is *yours*.
[04:02:57] <chromas> This is like Facebook. "I'm totally leaving and closing my account! Any time now!"
[04:02:52] <AzumaHazuki> but you and yours won't do anything to keep me, either
[04:02:41] <Bytram> I'll be sorry to see you go.
[04:02:24] <Bytram> Julian: that happens automatically.
[04:02:24] <AzumaHazuki> i am seriously considering leaving
[04:02:18] <AzumaHazuki> i have news for you Bytram
[04:02:08] <Bytram> and yet, you and I are still here.
[04:02:01] <Julian> Ban accounts/IPs with a long, consistent, history of being constantly downmodded
[04:01:52] <Bytram> as it has always been
[04:01:50] <AzumaHazuki> they view it as weakness, as proof that their opponents are inferior and deserve to suffer
[04:01:32] <AzumaHazuki> look, at the end of the day, the sociopaths laugh at people who take the high road. they see civility and good sportsmanship as weaknesses, chinks in the opponent's armor they can leverage
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[04:01:07] <Bytram> by definition you cannot modbomb an AC
[04:00:42] <AzumaHazuki> Bytram, do you see the problem here? You can't fight an effectively unlimited stream of trolling with 10 points, only 4 of which may be used on a single person, plus if it's an AC you might not even KNOW you "modbombed" them
[04:00:39] <Bytram> and with that, I'm still fighting a nasty cold, and need to get me to bed.
[04:00:18] <Bytram> nope. it had been in effect from well nigh the beginning.
[04:00:04] <Julian> I was caught by that once, yeah
[03:59:56] <Bytram> per day
[03:59:54] <AzumaHazuki> Uzzard seems to have started that one after I Troll-modded his incessant troll posts.
[03:59:39] <AzumaHazuki> i do, but did you know, four or more downmods is "modbombing" and gets undone
[03:59:19] <Bytram> that was simply a result of continued downmods by the community. Are you following me here? Don't just scream and yell, use all the tools at your disposal.
[03:59:10] <Julian> I'd be fine with reactionaries being banned, but I recognize it's not a popular opinion. Maybe more could be done to bury their submissions and comments
[03:58:23] <AzumaHazuki> and good riddance to rDT
[03:58:11] <AzumaHazuki> no, i want him to keep posting his cognitohazardous spew. but i also want enough people around to dogpile on him and take it apart
[03:58:06] <Bytram> That's what happened to rDT.
[03:57:47] <AzumaHazuki> now hold on, Julian, I'm not saying ban or deplatform people like Hallow
[03:57:43] <Bytram> if their writing are that egregious, and other's share your view, then continued downmods will get them to the point where they cannot post.
[03:57:38] <cykros> the truth that can be told is not the real truth
[03:57:26] <Julian> Freedom of speech means they can stand on their street corner with a sandwich board over their body. It doesn't mean they should get an account on a community website
[03:57:07] <AzumaHazuki> there is no "my truth." There is the truth, which any human may or may not be apprised of to varying degrees
[03:56:25] <Bytram> As much as I may despise what they say, they have just as much of a right to speak (write) their minds as anybody else. What I can do, though, is moderate them appropriately and simply speak *my* truth.
[03:56:17] <Julian> Just a few highly online sociopaths, really
[03:55:57] <AzumaHazuki> we are overrun with sociopaths, genuine fucking sociopaths
[03:55:48] <AzumaHazuki> that's not even what i mind so much. it's the sneering, smirking, amoral hypocrisy they display, the utter shameless projection and gaslighting
[03:54:45] <Julian> We have people on SN dehumanizing whole groups of people, which ultimately leads to genocide if not checked
[03:54:26] <systemd> ^ 03Duty Calls
[03:54:25] <Bytram> https://xkcd.com
[03:54:09] <AzumaHazuki> not to mention perilously close to that myself far too many times
[03:53:59] <AzumaHazuki> and i'm not even a socialist. just someone tired of watching her friends suffer and die
[03:53:42] <Julian> socialism versus barbarism isn't a debate among equal sides
[03:53:21] <AzumaHazuki> I don't want to silence them, don't get me wrong. I want them to keep wharrrgarbling on and get the unholy shit kicked out of them every time they do
[03:53:10] <Julian> lol no
[03:52:54] <Bytram> anybody that you would like to silence, can make the same case against you.
[03:52:50] <AzumaHazuki> I do. And I may as well be explaining mountaineering to a clam, as far as that lot is concerned
[03:52:45] <Julian> Centrists are the worst
[03:52:27] <Bytram> rather than post refutations to their comments, just speak your own truth.
[03:52:13] <AzumaHazuki> we as in the site itself. look at the constant shitspamming from the right-wing trolls, look at the utter psychopaths like Hallow and Runaway and Uzzard, look at the useless "neutrality at all costs" eds like janrinok...
[03:51:48] <Bytram> downmod and move on.
[03:51:23] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: who is this *we* who have been going down the wrong road for years?
[03:51:21] <Julian> We just need a few more leftist fanatics, then
[03:51:00] <AzumaHazuki> so? you can't beat a fanatic. these people are rabid, monomaniacal
[03:50:44] <Bender> karma - julian: 1
[03:50:44] <Bytram> Julian++
[03:50:34] <Julian> It is disheartening seeing all the reactionary comments, but they're almost always downvoted
[03:50:15] <AzumaHazuki> and we have been going down the wrong road for years
[03:50:04] <AzumaHazuki> all forms are void. someday everything disappears. the question is more about the journey than the destination
[03:49:25] <pinchy> make slashdot great again
[03:49:18] <Bytram> perhaps nothing of value to you, but I have things posted to this site that I would like to have continue on. Like my investigation into the alleged journal story deletion, the affirmations and encouragement I received following the report of my hospitalization, the automated tests that I created so as to test our UTF-8 support and the stories which exercised those.
[03:45:13] <AzumaHazuki> i am so, so tired of fighting the rising tide of bullshit all alone
[03:44:51] <chromas> from the things-I-don't-like-shouldn't-exist dept.
[03:44:37] <AzumaHazuki> this place has gone to shit
[03:44:00] <AzumaHazuki> and at this point, nothing of value would be lost
[03:43:50] <AzumaHazuki> I will be honest: there are times in which, had I the ability to a) pull it off and b) not get caught, I would without a moment's thought vaporize SN entirely, utterly destroy it from the face of the Internet
[03:40:37] <Bytram> Ohhh, ok. I tend to not pay attention to who subbed those... except to try and avoid ones that I had subbed myself.
[03:39:54] <AzumaHazuki> no. most of my submissions are =submit commands, which means they show up as upstart's not mine
[03:39:32] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: I take it you are referring to stories in your Journal?
[03:39:22] <chromas> One whole sub
[03:36:51] <Julian> This Democratic debate is terrible
[03:36:44] <Bytram> Believe it or not, I rarely have much time left over to actually read the site.
[03:35:39] <AzumaHazuki> ...did...did you...look at the front page recently?
[03:34:57] <exec> <Bytram> sees two story submissions in may of 2019... that's it. Am I missing something?
[03:34:56] <Bytram> s/to/two/
[03:31:53] * Bytram sees to story submissions in may of 2019... that's it. Am I missing something?
[03:29:49] * Bytram does not recall subs... goes to check
[03:29:23] <AzumaHazuki> usually science rather than politics. and the usual suspects still shit them all up with their disgusting blather
[03:29:20] <Bytram> Nothing slanted, mind you, but something on the more liberal, progressive take on things
[03:29:07] <AzumaHazuki> yes. i do a fair number of them
[03:28:34] <Bytram> Rather than just "fighting in the trenches", have you given any thought to submitting stories?
[03:27:45] <AzumaHazuki> this place has gone to hell and i honestly don't know why i still hang out here
[03:27:32] <AzumaHazuki> always a possibility
[03:27:19] <pinchy> chains have been yanked
[03:25:32] <Bytram> I think he was mostly yanking your chain.
[03:24:51] <AzumaHazuki> and that hurts
[03:24:48] <AzumaHazuki> to be honest, at this point i almost wonder if the internet would be better off if SN just disappeared...
[03:24:00] <systemd> ^ 03SoylentNews: Hall of Fame ( https://soylentnews.org )
[03:23:45] <Bytram> Take a look: https://soylentnews.org
[03:23:40] <Bytram> Welcome to *my* world!
[03:23:09] <AzumaHazuki> so Phoenix666 wants me to be an editor...ye gods, i don't know if i could handle the stress
[03:22:48] <systemd> https://en.wikipedia.org - Clarke's three laws - Wikipedia
[03:22:47] <Bytram> =g Arthur C Clarke old scientist is probably right wrong
[03:16:34] <Bytram> And... now you know.
[03:16:26] <Bytram> =)
[03:16:24] <Bytram> yep, that's the one
[03:16:15] <RandomFactor> It is! I wondered where those came from " This is the complete story and will need further editing. "
[03:15:17] <RandomFactor> Are these those "Bot submissions that need many an editing" ?
[03:15:09] <exec> 720 stories loaded
[03:15:03] <exec> submission successful - https://soylentnews.org
[03:14:49] <Bytram> can provide either the key number or the URL from that page.
[03:14:32] <exec> attempting to submit story: "Oracle Ties Previous All-Time Patch High with January Updates"
[03:14:32] <exec> 721 stories loaded
[03:14:30] <Bytram> ~arthur https://threatpost.com
[03:14:19] <RandomFactor> i was just checking for a pulse
[03:14:07] <Bytram> need to give it an argument...
[03:13:54] <RandomFactor> sho nuff
[03:13:46] <exec> story not found
[03:13:46] <exec> 721 stories loaded
[03:13:44] <RandomFactor> ~arthur
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[03:08:31] <Bytram> as for the #rss-bot channel, it (along with several others) is logged. You can find the logs at: https://logs.sylnt.us
[03:06:23] <exec> sed enabled for 10#soylent
[03:06:22] <Bytram> ~sed on
[03:06:13] <Bytram> s/'//
[03:06:06] <Bytram> It has it's own list of feeds, IIUC, finds stories, prepares them for submission, and for those that don't go ka-plooey, get added to that story bot page.
[03:05:23] <RandomFactor> why isn't that in my channel tabs. Must fix.
[03:05:07] <Bytram> The page I directed you to is updated each hour by the exec bot
[03:04:52] <RandomFactor> yeah, that
[03:04:46] <Bytram> That would be: #rss-bot
[03:04:28] <RandomFactor> This from that stories channel? (something like that) some sort of sources of stories I remember on one irc page
[03:03:37] <Bytram> what is what?
[03:03:25] <RandomFactor> What is this?
[03:01:59] <Bytram> clicky
[03:01:52] <RandomFactor> One image. Nice one tho
[03:01:41] <Bytram> RandomFactor: Have you taken a look at: https://wiki.soylentnews.org
[03:00:58] <systemd> ^ 03Final images from Cassini spacecraft
[03:00:57] <RandomFactor> https://phys.org
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[02:59:42] <Bytram> boru: o/
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[02:59:25] <systemd> ^ 03IBM, Microsoft, a medley of others sing support for Google against Oracle in Supremes' Java API copyright case ( https://www.theregister.co.uk )
[02:59:24] <Bytram> https://go.theregister.co.uk
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[02:59:23] <Bytram> Nah. Just means that you DID have a good idea for a story!
[02:58:35] <RandomFactor> figures. I'm too old and too slow today
[02:58:22] * Bytram just pushed it out
[02:58:09] <Bytram> already in the story queue
[02:57:55] <RandomFactor> Hmmm, who to root for.
[02:57:49] <systemd> ^ 03Report: Amazon Seeks Restraining Order Against Microsoft on $10 Billion Pentagon Cloud Contract
[02:57:48] <RandomFactor> https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/01/14/report-amazon-seeks-restraining-order-against-microsoft-on-10-billion-pentagon-cloud-contract/
[02:56:26] <systemd> ^ 03Opening up DNA to delete disease
[02:56:24] <RandomFactor> https://www.eurekalert.org
[02:55:33] <RandomFactor> My feeds are remarkably boring today
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[02:53:37] <systemd> ^ 03Tinder, Grindr Accused of Illegally Sharing User Data ( https://www.securityweek.com )
[02:53:36] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[02:45:48] <systemd> ^ 03Tinder, Grindr accused of illegally sharing user data
[02:45:47] <RandomFactor> https://www.ctvnews.ca
[02:44:47] <systemd> ^ 03New Space Force Chief Sworn in
[02:44:46] <RandomFactor> https://www.voanews.com
[02:44:37] <Bytram> boru: o/
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[02:38:32] <systemd> https://xenobot.net - XenoBot
[02:38:32] <RandomFactor> =g xenobot
[02:29:37] <Bytram> boru: o/
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[02:25:15] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Plug-in and Sail: Meet the Electric Ferry Pioneers - https://sylnt.us - how-long-is-the-extension-cord?
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[01:21:17] <Runaway1956> lol - it's prbably key to the whole suppression thing
[01:20:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i'll go have a smoke and see how that fits into the government trying to suppress JMH's message by any means necessary
[01:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> huh, now that's odd
[01:13:17] <Runaway1956> OMG, Angband seems to have crashed!! Now THAT is a catastropphe!
[01:07:07] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Zac Brown Band - "Knee Deep" Feat. Jimmy Buffett
[01:07:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt zac brown knee deep
[01:02:33] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Zac Brown Band - Toes (Video)
[01:02:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt zac brown toes
[01:01:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> fuck, i mix a good drink
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[00:39:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, leave it do its thing. if it fucks anything up bitch about it in a sub.
[00:35:54] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Global PC Sales Up for First Time in 7 Straight Years - https://sylnt.us - what-is-a-PC?
[00:35:41] <Runaway1956> not to me, only to her devices
[00:35:23] <carny> got any network drives mapped? ;]
[00:33:25] <Runaway1956> my machines are Linux
[00:33:17] <Runaway1956> to be precise, uploading everything SHE has
[00:32:58] <carny> or uploading everything you have ;]
[00:31:20] <Runaway1956> can't tell what's happening behind that stupid screen, maybe it's downloading 100 gigabytes of data
[00:30:52] <Runaway1956> Well, MS has screwed up again, it seems - that update is stuck at 35% installing itself
[00:25:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> https is a big one
[00:23:48] <Runaway1956> Hmmm - does that affect her, though? She uses no crypts other than HTTPS
[00:22:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> flaw in crypt32.dll. be glad it got patched.
[00:20:39] <Runaway1956> The name "Windows" is a security flaw
[00:20:11] <Runaway1956> I thought I had it all blocked, automatic updates is turned OFF - but the machine just rebooted itself while she was playing her game
[00:19:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> there's a severe security patch to all versions of windows. be glad it did.
[00:19:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> har!
[00:19:16] <Runaway1956> fekkin' Microsoft
[00:18:35] <Runaway1956> Oh crap - wife's computer just updated itself - she may be joining the Win10 hordes
[00:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> dominos won't break a hundred but the liquor store across the street will
[00:11:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> only if you drink them slowly
[00:10:40] <FatPhil> they don't call him "two straws" buzz for nothing
[00:09:38] <carny> isn't it better to leave one in the freezer until you're ready for it?
[00:08:13] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Two Pina Coladas (Garth Brooks)
[00:08:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt wgYiUtWmY08
[00:07:57] * TheMightyBuzzard has two pina coladas, one for each hand
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