#soylent | Logs for 2019-12-02
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[00:01:06] <Deucalion> Tides rise, tides fall. In this tide are individual specks ranting about the rising dominance of Islam, the coming Yellow Tide of those Yellow Slanty Eyed Chinese Communist types.... but all that is is specks of dust on the wind. Your insight should enable you to broaden your own view on what this all means, if anything, in the longer term.
[00:05:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 110 Nursing Homes Cut Off From Health Records In Ransomware Attack - https://sylnt.us - ryuk-strikes-again
[00:12:29] <AzumaHazuki> Deucalion: what differs this time around is a globally-connected economy and information network. everything's fragile, brittle, overloaded, and creaky
[00:12:42] <AzumaHazuki> small instabilities propagate like stress fractures in a situation like this
[00:13:10] <AzumaHazuki> if i were a russian or chinese agent, and wanted to bring the US down, i'd just hack the shit out of a few dozen SCADA stations on the public internet
[00:13:29] <RandomFactor> I would just take out a bunch of power substations.
[00:14:23] <AzumaHazuki> that's what the SCADA hacks would do
[00:14:45] <AzumaHazuki> knock out several power plants, water treatment facilities, centralized data stores for healthcare or banking information...
[00:15:18] <AzumaHazuki> the key is to do the maximum damage with the minimum effort, to hit things that cause cascading chains of failures all out of proportion to the initial investment
[00:41:11] <SoyGuest72711> Great, I'm glad we've got that problem solved.
[00:44:55] <SoyGuest72711> The guy's a nob, but he makes a good point here: https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk : 'If bodies such as the OPCW cannot be trusted, then World War Three could one day be started by a falsehood.'
[00:44:56] <systemd> ^ 03PETER HITCHENS: My secret meeting with mole at the heart of The Great Poison Gas Scandal - Mail Online - Peter Hitchens blog
[00:49:06] <Bytram> =g OPCW
[00:49:07] <systemd> https://www.opcw.org - Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons
[00:49:19] <Bytram> ahh, thanky!
[00:49:25] <AzumaHazuki> christ...
[00:51:22] <SoyGuest72711> not to be confused with the IPCC, who are 100% reliable in everything they've ever pontificated.
[00:57:56] <carny> did peter hitchens just learn about false flags?
[01:04:10] <AzumaHazuki> apparently
[01:04:24] <AzumaHazuki> he's such a fucking bellend, ugh. but he's correct about this
[01:05:57] <chromas> Peter Hitchens bringing together all the spectra of of Soylent on this one fateful day.
[01:20:19] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, you say "if i were a russian or chinese agent, and wanted to bring the US down, i'd just hack the shit out of a few dozen SCADA stations on the public internet" ... true dat. Is it anything to be all hiding under the bed over.. no. IF it's the case, then the US+EYES heave their fingers as deeply plunged into the opponents control systems too. Centrifuges don't just go out of balance by themselves and self destruct after all...
[01:20:49] <AzumaHazuki> oh, of course not...but somehow, knowing everyone's fucked is small comfort
[01:21:12] <AzumaHazuki> and one of these days, some leader somewhere (maybe here) is going to do the mental calculus and conclude that mutual destruction is worth it
[01:27:21] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, not anytime soon. I'm just glad the MAD threat went post nuclear to "We know we each can fuck up each others' power grids - lets agree to not do that" - that's a step better than children shouting "I'll nuke you" at each other isnt it?
[01:28:01] <AzumaHazuki> yes and no. truthfully i would much rather be at or near ground zero than suffer the aftereffects of a blown power grid
[01:29:25] <Deucalion> MAD never made any sense anyway... it's just well fuck you I'll take you down with me, it was always a politicians posturing piece. That you bring it up speaks volumes to your state of mind.
[01:30:21] <AzumaHazuki> how does it not make sense? to any rational but sociopathic leader it's the one deterrent that works
[01:30:41] <AzumaHazuki> only a religious or other similar fanatic would go ahead anyway. problem is, we...kinda have those people in power
[01:30:53] <RandomFactor> Point of order: Religious Zealots don't fall under 'sociopath'
[01:31:13] <Deucalion> citation
[01:31:15] <AzumaHazuki> not necessarily, no
[01:31:24] <AzumaHazuki> but they can be induced to act that way, I find
[01:31:40] <AzumaHazuki> no one would tell someone else they deserve to spend fucking eternity on fucking fire for "believing wrong" without religion involved
[01:33:03] <Deucalion> Annnnddd.... bonus points to interjection by RandomFactor..
[01:33:05] <RandomFactor> Actually most religious types, from their perspective, are trying to 'save' you from that fate.
[01:34:13] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, i know.
[01:34:35] <AzumaHazuki> and they don't stop and think "now wait a minute, is this something a truly good God would say?"
[01:35:07] <AzumaHazuki> what made me wake the fuck up, my "come to Jesus moment" as it very much were not was realizing that the bride of Christ is a battered wife
[01:35:11] <Deucalion> RandomFactor, I give you 5 mins to list the 10 most commonly followed religions and their followings in millions or thousands as you like. For each, give the approx date of establishment of each. GO.
[01:35:34] <RandomFactor> no
[01:35:44] <Deucalion> coward
[01:35:50] * RandomFactor shrugs
[01:36:04] <Deucalion> 3 of even?
[01:36:20] <RandomFactor> huh?
[01:36:33] <RandomFactor> oh 3 religions, nah
[01:37:08] <AzumaHazuki> Christianity - some 2.5 billion IIRC, est. ~40-70AD. Islam - 1.something billion, sometime in the 600s or 700s I think? Hinduism - at least 500 million, est. way the hell back, 1500BC or earlier. Buddhism - tens of millions, est. about 500 BC?
[01:37:49] <Deucalion> So do tell when you make proclamations about "most religious types", from where do you speak?
[01:38:05] <RandomFactor> ahhh, i figured there was some end game
[01:39:15] <Deucalion> Talking utter shit with no substance with nothing to back you up then RandomFactor.
[01:39:45] <RandomFactor> someone hurt you didn't they?
[01:40:08] <AzumaHazuki> Deucalion: how about 15 fucking years studying this stuff?
[01:40:15] <AzumaHazuki> including some koine, latin, and hebrew?
[01:40:23] <AzumaHazuki> but mostly (counter)apologetics
[01:40:23] <RandomFactor> dicesne latine?
[01:40:25] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, did I call you out?
[01:40:53] <AzumaHazuki> 20:36 <+Deucalion> So do tell when you make proclamations about "most religious types", from where do you speak?
[01:41:13] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, that was to RandomFactor
[01:41:22] <AzumaHazuki> ah, sorry
[01:41:23] <RandomFactor> he was referring to me. Attacking my premise.
[01:41:35] <RandomFactor> he just tried to waste 30 minutes getting there
[01:41:51] <Deucalion> tried??? I won!
[01:41:53] <Deucalion> :D
[01:42:06] <RandomFactor> YOu win the internets. Grats.
[01:42:38] * AzumaHazuki hides under table with Hatsumi plush doll to wait this one out
[01:42:54] * Deucalion glows with pride. Does a mach7 fly by of the tower... inverted....
[01:43:49] <chromas> You don't own that plane the taxpayers do!
[01:43:51] <RandomFactor> Nah, he's staked the position that religious people are intending to do harm. It's ludicrous on its face.
[01:44:39] <Fnord666> Yee Haw!
[01:45:13] <AzumaHazuki> meh, most of them don't know jack and shit about their own religion and commit doctrinal heresy on a daily basis...
[01:45:21] <AzumaHazuki> it's not active harm they do, it's more passive.
[01:45:29] <Fnord666> Damn it, that twice! I want some butts!!
[01:46:06] <AzumaHazuki> for example, not standing up to obviously maladaptive policy because it aligns with their beliefs
[01:46:22] * Deucalion flies by again with a barrel roll just 50ft over the crowds' head...
[01:49:09] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, look up... the examples you provide cover what.. 4000yrs and no Hinduism is not 500 million years old you plank. Against, well humans surviving on this chunk of rock scale... fucking irrelevant the lot of it.
[01:50:00] <AzumaHazuki> i said 500 million followers, 1500BC approx. founding date
[01:50:31] * AzumaHazuki goes to search
[01:51:22] <Bytram> What I saw AzumaHazuki write was "Hinduism - at least 500 million, est. way the hell back, 1500BC or earlier. "
[01:52:01] <Bytram> I took that to mean ~500 million followers, and that it was established a long long time ago.
[01:54:29] <AzumaHazuki> yes
[01:54:44] <AzumaHazuki> the pfft of all knowledge says more like a billion followers
[01:55:02] <chromas> Bing?
[01:55:04] <Deucalion> TeeHee.... Deucalion maybe tired or tipsy // Hinduism - at least 500 million, est. way the hell back //
[01:55:20] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, you are no longer a plank
[01:55:32] <AzumaHazuki> i never was
[01:55:37] <chromas> Now that's a compliment
[01:55:37] <Deucalion> Indeed
[01:55:38] <AzumaHazuki> planking is so 5 years ago
[01:56:28] <chromas> this is the new planking http://www.vancouversun.com
[01:56:54] <Deucalion> .me does not click on anything chromas posts... devious!
[01:57:13] <Fnord666> Smart!
[01:57:14] <Bytram> =g deviantart
[01:57:15] <systemd> https://www.deviantart.com - DeviantArt - Discover The Largest Online Art Gallery and Community
[01:58:16] <chromas> Their website went full beta
[01:58:58] <AzumaHazuki> it's not ready for use yet?
[02:00:25] <Deucalion> Silly... use it, it's perfect. Just take time out of your busy life scraping a shekel to tell them how to do it better via their extensive feedback form.
[02:03:15] <Deucalion> It's not much to ask of users is it... tell us how to engage you more constantly whilst we sell the data you already submitted to us an cojoin it with all this other lovely traking data we acquired... but yeh.. as you were...
[02:03:28] <chromas> Nah, it was bough up by a shitty website-building company and then they changed the style to web5.0g
[02:04:31] <Deucalion> so sad
[02:04:59] <chromas> /., da, reddit..uh..whatever other sites..all going the way of the beta
[02:05:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> they can pry the 90s from my cold, dead hands.
[02:06:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hamsterdance.mpg
[02:06:46] <chromas> >:(
[02:07:09] <chromas> Now firefox is pooping notifications on my phone to advertise features
[02:07:49] <Deucalion> AzumaHazuki, send me your completed thesis on the intersection of religion through the ages, geo-political power games in the modern age, the alignments of Jupiter and Saturn and the relevance of Fractals to all the aforementioned by the end of the week or you are banned.
[02:08:18] <AzumaHazuki> poshyol ma khuy
[02:08:28] * Deucalion fucks off never to remember
[02:09:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt buffalo stance
[02:09:22] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Neneh Cherry - Buffalo Stance (Official Video)
[02:09:29] <chromas> He doesn't always stop by, but when he does, he shitposts
[02:09:34] <chromas> The most interesting juggs in the world
[02:14:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt the winner takes it all
[02:14:53] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- ABBA - The Winner Takes It All (1980) HD 0815007
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[02:17:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> and one for chromas...
[02:17:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt men at work down under
[02:17:16] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com -- Men At Work - Down Under (Official Video)
[02:21:04] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[02:21:05] <systemd> ^ 03Only Linux Brainlets CAT into GREP!!!
[02:23:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> you never go cat to grep!
[02:24:17] <chromas> and don't awk the sed
[02:25:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> i need to watch clerks 2 again
[02:27:33] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A Single-Digit-Micrometer Thickness Wood Speaker - https://sylnt.us - soft-hardware
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[03:15:01] <SoyCow1337> =declined
[03:15:01] <systemd> Thanks for submitting this story. It appears that no editor has yet selected this story to be run. At least a week has passed since the story was submitted, and if an editor was going to have selected it, they would likely have done so by now. It has, therefore, been removed from the submission queue.
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[04:06:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Shrewd Savannah Species Choose Friends with Benefits on the African Plains - https://sylnt.us - these-are-not-the-Benefits-you-are-looking-for
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[04:23:58] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.bleepingcomputer.com
[04:23:59] <systemd> Submitting "New Chrome Password Stealer Sends Stolen Data to a MongoDB Database"...
[04:24:21] <systemd> ✓ Sub-ccess! "New Chrome Password Stealer Sends Stolen Data to a MongoDB Database" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[04:39:12] <AzumaHazuki> mongodb? the fiends!
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[04:47:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> candygram for mongodb
[05:15:59] <chromas> Back when comedy movies where funny
[05:16:06] * chromas boomer noises
[05:46:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Teach Bacteria to Consume CO2 - https://sylnt.us - now-make-it-photosynthetic
[07:17:34] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ohio Wants Doctors to Re-Implant Ectopic Pregnancies - https://sylnt.us - from-the-"be-careful-what-you-vote-for"-department
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[08:57:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 'Prozac Pollution' Making Fish Less Aggressive, Says Study - https://sylnt.us - peace-out,-man
[09:57:11] <Runaway1956> https://twitter.com
[09:57:13] <systemd> ^ 03Twitter ( https://mobile.twitter.com )
[10:07:31] <chromas> I guess that's better than peacetrucking him, legalwise
[10:08:23] <Runaway1956> Did something like that once - strikers tried to prevent me leaving a plant after I made a delivery in New Jersey
[10:08:40] <Runaway1956> They got the hell out of the way when I hit third gear and started accelerating
[10:09:41] <Runaway1956> The sound of a 5-cylinder Caterpillar bearing down on you makes a person re-evaluate his priorities
[10:10:09] <Runaway1956> 6-cylinder, LOL
[10:10:10] <chromas> They were confused about the odd cylinder count
[10:17:11] <SoyGuest72711> You got something against the classic Audi Quatro?
[10:17:14] <Runaway1956> Did you wipe the poop off of your dumb phone before using it?
[10:19:18] <Runaway1956> Audi Murphy ran on three cylinders, right?
[10:19:46] <chromas> Why would they call it a Quattro if it doesn't have four cylinders?
[10:19:51] <chromas> And was there a Quattro Pro?
[10:19:57] <SoyGuest72711> 4 valves
[10:20:19] <janrinok> ... or a Quattro XP?
[10:20:40] <Runaway1956> Quattro gears?
[10:21:00] <janrinok> at least in the forward direction
[10:21:09] <SoyGuest72711> 5-speed gearbox
[10:21:22] <Runaway1956> Quattro and overdrive?
[10:21:31] <SoyGuest72711> Actually, only the later ones were 20v, the quattro name was from the 4-wheel drive.
[10:21:43] <chromas> it's so you can Excel faster
[10:21:49] <SoyGuest72711> The real question is why is a german company giving their car an italian name!?!?!?
[10:22:17] <Runaway1956> That's explained by miscegenation I think
[10:22:26] <SoyGuest72711> My spreadsheet's wet - I need to Excel aerate.
[10:22:48] <Runaway1956> Close the pornhub tab
[10:22:56] <janrinok> Never!
[10:23:30] <chromas> or if you're in new zealand, EweTube
[10:23:38] <SoyGuest72711> Baaaaad joke
[10:23:38] <Runaway1956> How many pornhub tabs can you have open in Xcel?
[10:23:56] <chromas> all of them
[10:24:27] * janrinok thinks this is a trick question from Runaway1956 - why does he want to know?
[10:24:40] * chromas gets away with tabulating in pubic
[10:25:12] * Runaway1956 needs to know how much memory to get in his next machine
[10:25:19] <SoyGuest72711> are you manipulating your figures? that's disgusting
[10:25:33] <janrinok> in public, too!
[10:25:46] <Runaway1956> no, only in pubic
[10:27:23] <SoyGuest72711> and on that note, time to check to see what's available for lunch
[10:28:35] * janrinok is pondering the connection between pubic and lunch.
[10:29:03] * janrinok thinks that we shouldn't go there...
[10:29:25] <Runaway1956> Janrinok is obviously not a muff diver, and has never had a hair pie.
[10:29:26] <chromas> pubic mastication
[10:31:50] <Runaway1956> If you should take up diving, janrinok you should get licensed by PADI
[10:35:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 2019 Emissions Gap Report - https://sylnt.us - The-Department-of-Doooom-and-Hope
[10:36:25] <chromas> I hope the emissions gap isn't related to the thigh gap
[10:37:15] <Runaway1956> Nahhhh, most of the emissions come from the rear exhaust, which isn't affected by thigh gap
[10:37:57] <chromas> sounds cheeky
[10:38:39] <Runaway1956> Wonder how difficult transplant surgery would be from a 2u to a 3u body
[10:39:19] <Runaway1956> am contemplating an upgrade, but a full size video card won't fit into a 2u
[10:39:31] <chromas> hey, man, nice rack
[10:39:43] <chromas> You can get a ribbon
[10:39:44] <Runaway1956> My eyes are up here!
[10:39:44] <janrinok> Runaway1956, I wasn't going to go there, but your deductions are wrong
[10:40:09] <Runaway1956> My tax return doesn't have any deductions!
[10:40:26] <chromas> https://www.bhphotovideo.com
[10:41:32] <Runaway1956> I did that once, chromas, but, it can be difficult anchoring the video down to something
[10:41:44] <chromas> hotglue, my good sir
[10:41:45] <Runaway1956> I suppose I could put a screw through the GPU
[10:42:17] <janrinok> that ribbon cable looks a bit iffy, the insulation doesn't look evenly applied
[10:42:35] * Runaway1956 refrains from asking chromas to bend over so he can apply hot glue
[10:47:59] <chromas> Thanks, Griswold
[10:51:19] <Runaway1956> I found a solution for cold feet sitting at my desk, lol
[10:51:37] <Runaway1956> stumbled across a pet warming pad, and bought it
[10:51:48] <Runaway1956> now my little piggies stay nice and warm
[10:52:03] <chromas> is that like a regular heating pad but with tufts?
[10:52:24] <Runaway1956> Like a heating pad, but waterprooof and cushioned
[10:52:31] <chromas> noice
[10:52:48] <chromas> But now the cat will come in and take over
[10:52:58] <Runaway1956> The wife liked it, so I bought her one too
[10:53:25] <chromas> Get one for your butt
[10:53:44] <chromas> Sausage and clam warmer
[10:54:13] <Runaway1956> You're getting awfully personal, after staring at my rack just a little while ago
[10:55:13] <chromas> Hey now, you're the one talking your box enlargement
[10:55:26] <Runaway1956> lol
[12:06:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Canadian Islanders Angry Over US Mail Searches - https://sylnt.us - delivery-by-drone
[12:13:23] <SoyGuest72711> http://www.youtube.com
[12:13:24] <systemd> ^ 03Pizza Hut Gorbachev TV Spot Commercial :60 International version ( https://www.youtube.com )
[12:19:29] <chromas> pizza++
[12:19:29] <Bender> karma - pizza: 47
[12:22:52] <SoyGuest72711> the only question remains: did Gorbachov approve of pineapple on pizza...
[12:23:01] <SoyGuest72711> or did he mandate it!?
[12:24:22] <SoyGuest72711> off to the gulag archaformaggio for any dissenters.
[12:27:00] <chromas> the comments are good
[12:27:24] <chromas> "Ussr citizens starving is fake news from cnn(except when they were building the ussr to become world power). There was not a dingle homeless person. I can agree about there was no freedom in speech but dont add starving bcs it is a lie."
[12:27:52] <chromas> "I love when some Russians call Soviet Collapse "Dismantling Our Country". Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and other 9 republics WERE NOT YOUR COUNTRY, you Imperialist Scums!"
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[12:49:27] <Guy> you suck
[12:51:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> you're not my buddy, Guy
[12:51:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:51:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5046
[12:54:45] <Ghoul> coffee++
[12:54:45] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5047
[12:54:49] <Ghoul> coffee--
[12:54:49] <Bender> karma - tea: 612
[12:54:56] <Ghoul> :)
[12:55:02] <Runaway1956> coffee++
[12:55:02] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5048
[12:55:06] <Ghoul> tea++
[12:55:06] <Bender> karma - tea: 613
[12:55:12] <Ghoul> tea--
[12:55:12] <Bender> karma - tea: 612
[12:55:17] <Ghoul> o_O
[12:57:05] <janrinok> tea++
[12:57:05] <Bender> karma - tea: 613
[12:57:12] <janrinok> hands off my tea!
[12:57:30] <Ghoul> pizza--
[12:57:30] <Bender> karma - pizza: 46
[12:57:52] <Ghoul> :P
[12:58:12] <Ghoul> I guess one can keep track after going to the toilet how much tea and pizza came out
[13:40:46] <chromas> ioctl(1, I_FLUSH, FLUSHW);
[13:42:02] <chromas> oh whoops. 1 is input. I should've taken a number two
[13:47:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Florida School Switches to Synthetic Frogs for Dissections - https://sylnt.us - no-more-croaking
[13:55:33] <chromas> sounds like bull
[15:17:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - World-First Mobile Phone Detection Cameras Rolled Out in Australia - https://sylnt.us - a-picture-is-worth-1000-words
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[22:49:20] <Runaway1956> Don't know if anyone is interested, but PDF with oral arguments at Supreme court here https://www.supremecourt.gov
[22:50:31] <Runaway1956> In my mind, neither side made a convincing argument
[22:52:29] <Sulla> What are they arguing here?
[22:53:50] <Runaway1956> It's the New York case that the shooters had all but overturned, when NY state passed laws over riding NYC law - basically, NYC argues that the case is moot, but plaintiffs insist that they don't have what they want yet
[22:54:20] <Runaway1956> Boiled down to real life terms - NYC insists that a weapon is registered to an address, and the gun should never leave that address
[22:54:52] <Runaway1956> It's a real bag of worms, just as bad as the case in Wash D.C. ten years ago
[22:55:14] <Runaway1956> Heller was the case there
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[22:56:44] <Sulla> Clement seems to not know what he wants
[22:57:21] <Runaway1956> Yeah, it's pretty obvious that he's not REALLY prepared
[22:57:49] <Runaway1956> On the plus side - this new court isn't anti-gun
[22:58:12] <Runaway1956> Maybe they'll decide to enforce the second amendment
[23:00:12] <Sulla> Lot of Catholics on there that are part of your "isn't anti-gun" crowd
[23:00:47] <Sulla> Who have proven time and time again to do the opposite of their history when they get to the SC
[23:00:56] <Runaway1956> How does Catholicism relate to hoplophobia
[23:02:01] <Runaway1956> I'm thinkiing about that . . . . and I got no response
[23:02:23] <Sulla> Catholic conservatives tend to be authoritarian
[23:02:29] <Sulla> when they get to the SC
[23:02:54] <Runaway1956> okaaaayyyyy . . . .
[23:02:58] <Sulla> Even if in the past they ruled more constitutionalist, they grow more tolerant of government overreach
[23:03:46] <Sulla> But, to your original point, this is a much different court. Will have to see what Thomas does
[23:03:54] <Runaway1956> I've never even considered that angle, have no idea how valid or invalid it might be
[23:04:08] <Sulla> Thomas has expressed desire in the past for very broad revocation of gun laws
[23:04:14] <Sulla> where Scalia held him back wanting narrow rulings
[23:07:07] <Sulla> So from the link you gave me it looks like NY did some new law, people complained and sued, NY tought they would lose so revoked the law, now the litigants are trying to claim it still valid?
[23:07:23] <Runaway1956> On the down side, from my point of view, Ginsberg was in attendance, and she will have an arsewipe opinion
[23:07:58] <Runaway1956> Careful - NYC had existing laws on the books that were being challenged
[23:08:14] <Runaway1956> NY State passed a low that over rides NYC law
[23:08:37] <Runaway1956> gotta keep the two actors separate, and identify who did what in chronological order
[23:08:49] <Sulla> I only glanced quickly at what she said, but her points weren't wrong.
[23:09:07] <Runaway1956> The state law does not explicitly give complainants the relief they have demanded
[23:09:29] <Runaway1956> only a "liberal" interpretation of state law provides that relief
[23:09:57] <Runaway1956> I'm referring to the opinions written up after they decide
[23:10:10] <Runaway1956> there will be a majority opinion, of course
[23:10:17] <Sulla> Okay. So the law had some sort of direct restriction on transportation of firearms
[23:10:21] <Runaway1956> then, all those non-majority opinions
[23:10:30] <Runaway1956> Correct
[23:10:33] <Sulla> that said if you stopped for coffee or to see your mom on the way to the range its illegal without a carry license
[23:10:44] <Runaway1956> correct
[23:11:06] <Sulla> NY was going to lose, so they got rid of the law. Alito is asking if the "stopped to see your mom" scenario would have been illegal
[23:11:08] <Runaway1956> Stopping to fuel your vehicle would even be a violation
[23:11:19] <Runaway1956> correct
[23:11:20] <Sulla> and the NY lawyer is saying that "we can never know because we revoked it"
[23:11:29] <Runaway1956> yep
[23:11:45] <Sulla> Alito seems to think that the litigants want some sort of notice from the supreme court that "laws of that kind" are illegal
[23:11:50] <Sulla> I don't think the SC does that, do they?
[23:12:10] <Sulla> The congress would have to make a law saying that laws of that type are illegal, and then that law would have to be litigated at the SC
[23:12:18] <Runaway1956> Then, they ask if it's legal to stop and see Mom NOW, after that law was "changed" and no one knows whether it is legal or not
[23:12:55] <Sulla> I'm a laughin at the NY state lawyer saying "well its moot because we promise we will never do it again"
[23:13:05] <AzumaHazuki> is runaway stroking his tiny pump-action splotgun in public again?
[23:13:17] <AzumaHazuki> i've got the drooling fetishist on ignore so...
[23:13:46] <Runaway1956> And, THAT gets to the heart of the matter - 2A rights depend on whether the city wants to grant them
[23:14:30] <Sulla> Kagan seems to be falling on the side of the litigants
[23:14:56] <Sulla> the "trust us" argument from NY was not well received
[23:14:58] <Runaway1956> Or, to phrase it better, New Yorkers may exercise their rights, under sufferance of the city
[23:15:14] <Runaway1956> Bingo
[23:15:47] <Runaway1956> It's not even certain at this point that the SC will decide the issue, but if they do decide it, we can see where Kagan will go
[23:16:10] <Sulla> Interesting, NY changed the law only after the SC decided to review the case
[23:16:28] <Sulla> Alito wonders if they did this just to moot the case
[23:16:39] <Runaway1956> You win the prize for acute observation, LOL!!
[23:16:53] <Runaway1956> The case largely hinges on that point
[23:17:49] <Runaway1956> And, after-the-fact-mooting hasn't worked well in the past
[23:19:02] <Runaway1956> I can't believe I haven't slept today - I gotta wake up in an hour now
[23:19:11] <Runaway1956> no pont in even lying down now
[23:21:47] <Sulla> Seems all the judges in attendance except Sotomayor are peeved at them changing the law to avoid the SC
[23:26:15] <Sulla> The questions from the justices seem to indicate they want to rule on the law as if it had not been amended, because the amendment was done in poor faith to avoid being ruled on, and that NY knew they were doing law effecting the second amendment that they later claimed had no effect on public safety.
[23:26:34] <Sulla> NY would have been better off not repealing the law is how it looks to me now, will be interesting to see how this case goes
[23:28:34] <Sulla> Overall, I am impressed by the transcriber and the spelling. This is better written and edited than anything from any news source I have seen in years.
[23:28:52] <SoyGuest72711> they don't need to waste time making it up
[23:31:30] <Sulla> Sotomayor made an interesting point about the law. I don't agree with it, but it was interesting. Roberts seemed to shut her down because he wanted to move on. I think if this goes to a ruling it will be about what I said earlier - NY passing a law they knew was a restriction of the second amendment that they later attested would make no difference in safety
[23:32:23] <Runaway1956> Bingo. If that point is not considered, then the entire appeal to the SC seems to go adrift
[23:33:00] <Runaway1956> As I said earlier, neither side made any really convincing arguments, aside from the mootness issue
[23:36:42] <Runaway1956> One thing that irks me about both sides, is the assumption that transporting of a weapon requires the weapon be unloaded and locked, and/or put inside of a secure container
[23:37:04] <Runaway1956> It is sufficient that the weapon be unloaded, in any rational world
[23:37:28] <Runaway1956> unloaded, magazine removed, and the action open
[23:37:48] <chromas> `When I get robbed in NYC, I want it to be a duel of who can open their fanny pack safe and load up the fastest
[23:39:23] <chromas> "Hold up. I'mma rob ya, but first I gotta get this combo right. Was it 3-12-59? Or 12-3-59?"
[23:39:56] <Runaway1956> That ain't how it's done in Jamaica Plains
[23:40:19] <Runaway1956> Or the waterfront in Brooklyn for that matter
[23:42:06] <Sulla> My m1a can slamfire, so transporting it loaded seems stupid.
[23:44:24] <Runaway1956> Many weapons can "slamfire" - and a lot of people have learned that the hard way - so you are perfectly correct
[23:44:38] <chromas> is that like an implicit bumpstock?
[23:45:26] <Runaway1956> Kinda sorta, Chromas - except the bump stock was explicity designed to exploit the slamfire effect
[23:46:06] <Runaway1956> without that specially designed stock the slamfire doesn't work very consistently in most cases
[23:46:35] * chromas isn't well-versed in arms, but did fire a 9mm a few times at a range
[23:47:12] * Runaway1956 is reminded of some of the youtube videos of first-time shooters
[23:48:22] <chromas> hue
[23:48:31] <chromas> well I didn't get hurt or nuffin'
[23:49:14] <Runaway1956> That's something that always makes me see red
[23:49:33] <Runaway1956> someone takes a newb to the range, and intentionally sets them up to get hurt
[23:49:49] <Runaway1956> ditto with assholes putting a newb on a crotch rocket
[23:50:12] <chromas> The recoil was a lot less than I figured. I was imagining that old lady from the Police Academy movie when she shoots Tackleberry's revolver
[23:50:45] <Runaway1956> ehhhh - recoil is highly exaggerated in most cases
[23:50:58] <chromas> like the gunshot sound effects
[23:51:13] <Runaway1956> first time I fired a .45 government, I was expecting it to hurt or something
[23:51:27] <Sulla> same
[23:51:45] <Sulla> I like alternating .38 and .357 in my henry repeater
[23:53:35] <Sulla> barton v barr is also interesting
[23:54:21] <Runaway1956> Well, I'm finally committed to a computer upgrade
[23:54:42] <Runaway1956> I'm moving up from 12 cores to 32
[23:54:42] <chromas> Congrats! Which distro are you installing?
[23:55:04] <Runaway1956> I'm thinking Void, but haven't thought about it enough yet
[23:55:22] <chromas> EPYC or Threadripper?
[23:55:24] <Runaway1956> I'll probably get all the hardware, and panic deciding which DVD to burn to USB
[23:55:38] <Runaway1956> Neither, I can't afford those high dollar CPU's
[23:55:51] <Runaway1956> I'm just upgrading a couple generations of Opteron
[23:56:15] <Runaway1956> 4 sockets instead of 2, octocore instead of hex
[23:56:49] <Runaway1956> and a GTX 1660
[23:57:23] <chromas> I didn't know Opteron was still going
[23:57:55] <Runaway1956> I didn't find any new Opterons, I think I'm getting the last generation of them
[23:58:13] <Runaway1956> like I say, I'm upgrading a couple generations
[23:58:14] <SoyGuest72711> "6 cores should be enough for anyone" - Gill Bates
[23:58:45] <Runaway1956> But, I want 32 cores!! Until I decide that I want 64, at least
[23:59:17] <chromas> Can't have too many cores
[23:59:52] <Runaway1956> Only if you have more cores than you have motherboards to stick them on