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[02:56:14] <Sirfinkus> sup fuckers
[02:57:17] <AzumaHazuki> me
[02:57:33] <Sirfinkus> it's a good thing to be
[02:57:39] <Sirfinkus> I'm happy for you
[03:00:36] <pinchy> sirRinkADink
[03:00:51] <Sirfinkus> having a hot slab of meat, cheese, grease, carbohydrates, and, ostensibly, tomatoes delivered to my house, life is good
[03:01:09] <Sirfinkus> some times technology doesn't suck
[03:01:16] <pinchy> hickok45 here, time to smoke some pot
[03:01:31] <Sirfinkus> lol
[03:01:44] <Sirfinkus> out of a sks I hope
[03:02:09] <pinchy> colt SAA
[03:02:24] <Sirfinkus> megan just double checked my order, she better have gotten it right
[03:04:36] <Sirfinkus> pfft, 1911a1 with the only tasteful mod, which is diagonal stiping in the slide. Stainless is acceptable for the frame, but parkerized is prefered
[03:10:31] <pinchy> still eating stuff out of a can or plastic bag?
[03:11:05] <Sirfinkus> no, this comes in a cardboard box
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[06:33:18] <AzumaHazuki> there is only one answer
[06:33:22] <AzumaHazuki> we know what that answer is
[07:14:22] <chromas> Not TempleOS; it's been discontinued :\
[07:16:24] <chromas> Looks like Apple can go sue Telsa for stealing their designs: https://images.techhive.com
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[13:15:26] <szopin> hello
[13:17:43] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:17:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5045
[13:18:13] <Bytram> ugh, no time to chat as I need to be AT wirk in 45 minutes and I haven't even started getting ready. :/
[13:18:27] <Bytram> s/wi/wo/
[13:18:29] <exec> <Bytram> ugh, no time to chat as I need to be AT work in 45 minutes and I haven't even started getting ready. :/
[13:20:40] <szopin> does anyone know how to read the comments api pointswise, there's like karma, points, pointsorig, reason... all numeric, but somehow translated to 'x, funny', or 'y, insightful'
[13:21:00] <szopin> Byrtram: no worries, don't be late :)
[13:28:44] <Bytram> it's in a table in the database
[13:29:10] <Bytram> don't have quick access to it atm
[13:29:18] <Bytram> remind me, later?
[13:29:20] <Bytram> gtg
[13:29:27] <szopin> sure, thx!
[13:29:34] <Bytram> or maybe TheMightyBuzzard can help you out?
[13:29:38] <Bytram> really gtg
[13:29:46] <Bytram> have a great day everybody!
[13:29:48] <szopin> no worries, cya
[13:29:53] <szopin> have fun :P
[13:31:56] <janrinok> ~gday Bytram
[13:31:58] * exec proverbially crams a cheap plastic cup of expired water into Bytram
[13:33:41] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
[13:33:41] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into TheMightyBuzzard's gaping mouth
[13:33:59] <janrinok> ~gday buzz
[13:34:01] * exec historically generates a small script that substitutes an us of cheddar for buzz
[13:35:01] <szopin> TMB you're awake!
[13:36:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> usually am by 5ish central time
[13:36:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> dumping the modreasons table to #dev
[13:37:36] <szopin> cool
[13:37:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> apparently i forgot to put a call in to do that. oops.
[13:37:56] <szopin> 5am... early bird
[13:39:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> well not really. i do it out of non-self defense. if i don't have a couple quiet hours with just me and my coffee, someone's gonna die.
[13:39:40] <szopin> managed to push initial version with commentview, but still bit lacking, scores will probably be useful (though not planning autohiding of troll comments)
[13:39:57] <szopin> :D
[13:40:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> should autohide spam ones. we're planning on doing that sooner or later.
[13:40:52] <szopin> haven't seen much spam comments, but maybe just lucky
[13:41:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we get so few that manual review by one person is totally viable.
[13:41:39] <szopin> if it is a real problem should be a simple if
[13:43:08] <szopin> weird though, is there captcha for anon posting? jolla's forums get a spam account created with a thread on top pretty regularly
[13:43:40] <szopin> still not massive problem but a thread every 1-2 days shows up
[13:43:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, the functionality's there but we turned it off long ago.
[13:45:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> check the karma hit on a spam mod though. -10 karma keeps that ipid from posting anon. -20 keeps registered users from posting.
[13:46:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> so basically we put the ban hammer in the hands of the users. alls we do is make sure they don't abuse it.
[13:46:48] <szopin> sounds good, still probably susceptible to a hostile takeover scenario with a dedicated discord group
[13:47:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh sure. holes you could drive a truck through.
[13:47:15] <szopin> but that should be noticed by an uptick in iser registration and them modding themselves first
[13:47:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> worked so far though, so no need to inconvenience anyone to stop nonexistent problems.
[13:47:49] <szopin> there are huge benefits of being niche
[13:47:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[13:48:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird how six digits worth of users is niche today
[13:48:20] * TheMightyBuzzard is old
[13:48:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> sorry, nearly six
[13:49:08] <szopin> nice
[13:49:21] <szopin> thought it was more like 4 digits
[13:49:36] <szopin> at least registered number seemed in 8kish
[13:49:52] <szopin> no idea how many ACs
[13:50:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> we've run about 10:1 ac:registered since the beginning
[13:50:12] <szopin> but with participation ratio of 10:1 yeah
[13:50:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> as best as we can tell anyway
[13:50:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~uid
[13:50:42] <exec> The current maximum UID is 8833, owned by READY EARNINGS ON THE INTERNET from
[13:50:52] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[13:50:57] <szopin> still niche enough to not get brigaded by 'standard culprits'
[13:51:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> we do have idiots who feel the need to post journal spam though, not that anyone but admins and search engines see it.
[13:51:46] <szopin> yeah I thought about journal view but for now abandoned it
[13:51:59] <szopin> editorial input in the stories is very welcome
[13:52:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm?
[13:52:14] <szopin> if some isers request it might add it
[13:52:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> how you mean?
[13:52:48] <szopin> like my journal entry about irc issues, not sonething needed to enjoy SN
[13:53:30] <szopin> can have a menu option in the app see latest journal entries, pretty simple, just not sure if needed
[13:53:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh
[13:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> didn't see it on the journals list
[13:55:00] <szopin> was trying to contact people initially as had issies with irc
[13:55:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, right
[13:55:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> couple weeks ago
[13:55:15] <szopin> but yeah, the journal content can vary wildly
[13:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[13:55:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[13:55:17] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 744
[13:56:06] <szopin> so not gonna include it by default, if someone asks for it might add it as the functionality is all there with just one url change
[14:00:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, it's pretty easy. i think one or two of the bots use it
[14:00:56] <szopin> same with user view, not sure if the leddit special - browse through users posting history to win an internet argument is something worth having
[14:01:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> we didn't think so, that's why we disabled it on the web site except for admins. i ain't gonna tell you how to live though.
[14:02:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> plus it was a massive cpu eater when someone loaded a person with a lot of comments' page
[14:02:37] <szopin> oh, assumed that's available
[14:02:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> spose we could have paginated it
[14:03:02] <szopin> nah
[14:03:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> but, yeah, very little good comes from a five year old gotcha
[14:03:31] <szopin> it's good it's off, also noy helping nsa etc in data scraping
[14:03:59] <szopin> (though they probably have it all anyway)
[14:04:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. all search bots as well.
[14:04:41] <szopin> no idea how jimmy wales will protect its users from scraping but hey
[14:05:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> allow pseudonyms?
[14:05:39] <szopin> when thay pay 10 bucks a month?
[14:05:55] <szopin> it will be better tied than fb to reas ids
[14:06:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, hard to be anonymous when you have a credit card on file
[14:06:15] <szopin> s/eas/eal
[14:06:30] <szopin> s/eas/eal/
[14:06:32] <exec> <szopin> s/eal/eal
[14:06:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is why we shove cc processing off onto stripe/paypal
[14:06:38] <szopin> lol
[14:06:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> that and we don't want to put up with audits
[14:06:58] <szopin> no bitcoin?
[14:07:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> had it until the fees got to be higher than a year's subscription, then stripe said screw this and disabled it.
[14:07:53] <szopin> ouch
[14:08:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and stripe was the only processor that didn't code their api according to what was shiny, new, and/or what the cool kids were doing
[14:09:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> and break backwards compatibility every six months or so
[14:09:14] <szopin> btw aside from mapping some of the values to insightful etc there's also like karma impact on points
[14:10:00] <szopin> i think at least, people with good karma start at 2 or something like that
[14:10:20] <szopin> or at 1 vs at 0
[14:10:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, that requires more than we currently have in the api by a good bit though. karma adjustment gets damned complex since we allow so much tuning on a user level.
[14:11:11] <szopin> yeah karma_bonus, subscriber_bonus...
[14:11:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> like it's up to the commenting user if they want to receive the karma bonus on a given comment
[14:11:26] <szopin> oh
[14:12:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> the "no karma bonus" checkbox next to "post anonymously"
[14:12:26] <szopin> guess will just use 'points' and whatever the other value is used for mapping to text
[14:12:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[14:12:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> eventually we'll get it all in there and make an attempt at explaining how we do the calculating
[14:13:17] <szopin> :)
[14:13:29] <szopin> no more security through obscurity
[14:13:41] <szopin> and fuzzing karma points vs bots
[14:14:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> does the api return a karma_bonus field in response to a comment request?
[14:14:21] <szopin> yup
[14:14:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> that'll tell you if the user wants it on that comment, let me check the min score for the bonus
[14:15:20] <szopin> it's yes/no
[14:15:41] <szopin> no idea if it means they get deducted if they have low karma
[14:15:57] <szopin> and chose yes anyway
[14:16:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> 25
[14:16:49] <szopin> ?
[14:17:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> if karma_bonus == yes and the user's karma is >= 25, they get a +1
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[14:17:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> isn't a subscriber bonus
[14:18:14] <szopin> "totalvisiblekids" : 0, "subscriber_bonus" : "no", "sid" : 34625, "uid" : 18, "fakeemail" : "themightybuzzard@soylentnews.org", "subject_orig" : "no", "points" : "2", "sig" : "Gen-X gave Millennials punk and they made emo out of it. That pretty much tells you all you need to know.", "homepage" : "http://soylentnews.org/~The+Mighty+Buzzard", "len" : 162, "karma_bonus" : "yes", "pointsorig" : 1, "reason" : 0, "tweak" : 0, "nickname" : "
[14:18:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> or rather there is but it's something every user has to set if they want subscribers to show higher scores.
[14:18:55] <szopin> from a random comment api call I had in browser
[14:19:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> doesn't have a karma field?
[14:19:17] <szopin> so the points 2 is from you having karma bonus
[14:19:38] <szopin> karma_bonus yes
[14:19:54] <szopin> karma itself no
[14:19:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> registered users start out at 1, karma bonus gave me a +1
[14:20:00] <szopin> such field
[14:20:35] <szopin> reason 0 means not modded by anyone?
[14:20:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd need to do a user query on me to find out if i were eligible for a karma bonus to my comments though
[14:21:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> the karma_bonus field just says whether i want it turned on for that comment
[14:21:39] <szopin> oh, thought it was after check
[14:21:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> nah, that'd be too easy
[14:22:10] <szopin> yeah, not gonna requery for each commenter, will just go with 'points'
[14:22:52] <szopin> I'm guessing 'reason' is the funny/troll part?
[14:22:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can if you like. it's not much of a server load or we wouldn't do it ourselves.
[14:23:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep. only gives the reason that won out for that comment
[14:23:45] <szopin> gonna make the recursive function call another httprequest every time, will be heavy on the user
[14:23:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> how we figure that out is nuts
[14:24:24] <szopin> :)
[14:24:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> lil bit, yeah. thought that was all the rage in app coding though
[14:25:13] <szopin> i mean we're all running quadcore etc but purism comes out with only 2 cores
[14:25:29] <szopin> gotta think of the free peoples
[14:25:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> usually you won't have to pull but maybe a dozen users for a given story worth of comments, can use those data structures for the whole story instead of calling for each comment
[14:26:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> might put in a call to get user info for everyone who commented on a story
[14:26:22] <szopin> (also httprequest when you have 100 comments for each... this can probably slow down even flagships depending on inet connection)
[14:26:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, definitely don't do a request for user info each comment. it's reusable data.
[14:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> like you only need to pull mine once then use it for every comment made by uid == 18
[14:28:00] <szopin> yeah, not sure if passing the whole initial parsed request as parameter is good as that also probably is bad practice, but werks
[14:28:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> on that story. no need to make allowances for race conditions (a user changing their info) during page rendering.
[14:29:38] <szopin> agreed, same with the insightful/funny/mapping... don't think this will change any time soon
[14:29:50] <szopin> so will probably hard code iy
[14:30:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> pull that at app startup if you like once i get a call for it made. have to hard code it for now.
[14:30:35] <szopin> i do pull topicslist, through probably also could've been hardcoded
[14:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> both lists will change over time but generally not while you're arguing with someone
[14:31:36] <szopin> unlikely to change, then again searchable decides if it is shown to iser and that changed
[14:31:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, no, they're likely to change. just not daily.
[14:31:54] <szopin> so downloading it seems fine
[14:32:23] <szopin> I guess I'll download the mappings then too
[14:32:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> once i get an api call made so you can, yeah
[14:33:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> could do it right now but i don't like hot patching live code if it's not something important
[14:33:23] <szopin> no hurry
[14:33:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> bugs, sure, features, nah
[14:34:13] <szopin> just pushed initial commentsview and the only comment ever got was if it was fake news lol anyway
[14:36:15] <szopin> posting comments will be fun, but still long way ahead
[14:36:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> aight, need more coffee, more nicotine, and need to pack crap up for the thanksgiving trip tomorrow morning. will be in and out the rest of the day.
[14:36:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> posting's pretty easy, really.
[14:36:47] <szopin> cya around man, and have a great thanksgiving!
[14:37:07] <szopin> yeah, just will have to figure out a lot of new qml elements
[14:37:46] <szopin> ans how to make them behave nice and not overlap/slide under one another etc etc
[14:39:29] <szopin> gotta drop, thanks guys and have a wonderful thanksgiving!
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[15:48:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD's Threadripper 3960X and 3970X Reviewed; 64-core 3990X Confirmed - https://sylnt.us - competition++
[16:00:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://techraptor.net I knew they were going to say that.
[16:00:51] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[16:01:17] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[16:05:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://torrentfreak.com Oh well. Nothing good lasts forever.
[16:05:16] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[16:05:41] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[16:14:25] <pinchy> need to change submit to some less threatening word
[16:18:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm... how about #bitchhandlethis?
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[23:33:21] <chromas> https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[23:35:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, yeah, that's more or less accurate if my SC memory serves
[23:37:10] <SoyGuest61688> need more TriberSuck meemz
[23:37:45] <chromas> Shouldn't the truck nuts be more angular?
[23:38:01] <chromas> or maybe SC is using react now
[23:48:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> you'd think they'd be hex nuts but apparently them folks prefer to think of their trucks as bulls.
[23:49:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> i should get a set of them for my toyota echo
[23:49:42] <AzumaHazuki> why would people put fragile, ugly, dangling things on their trucks? the real deal is so poorly designed it has to hang outside the body in an ugly bag of chicken skin or else it overheats
[23:53:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly for the sheer silliness of it
[23:53:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net
[23:54:38] <AzumaHazuki> somehow i don't think most of the people puttin' balls on their trucks are entirely or even partly joking
[23:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, rest assured it's because they think it's funny. it's the hardcore hold my beer crowd.
[23:56:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://www.amazon.com