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[01:00:16] <AzumaHazuki> new laptop is all set up :) I don't think this guy has any idea what he sold
[01:05:10] <FatPhil> whatcha get?
[01:05:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Intel Warns of Critical Info-Disclosure Bug in Security Engine - https://sylnt.us - we-should-all-be-using-riscv
[01:07:38] <FatPhil> was kinda impressed with some of the Samsung models I could chose from when I started working for them, but in the end I always return to the small ones in the Lenovo range. The slimline obsession never really hooked me.
[01:16:45] <AzumaHazuki> FatPhil: someone's new openbox Thinkpad E495
[01:17:01] <AzumaHazuki> ryzen 3700U, 8gb ram, 256gb nvme storage
[01:17:35] <FatPhil> oooh, not seen one with a ryzen in, but I was happy to hear the gorilla got a thorn in its foot.
[01:19:26] <AzumaHazuki> everything intel forced lenovo to do to "cripple" this actually appeals to me. i like the rougher texture, have no need for resolution above full hd...and it turns out this thing is faster than the e490, LOL
[01:21:19] <FatPhil> looks like it has real mouse buttons on the touchpad too
[01:21:36] <chromas> Do they have some sort of slick texture, high resolution agreement with intel?
[01:21:42] <FatPhil> having the integrated buttons in the touchpad was the worst design decision Lenovo ever made
[01:23:22] <FatPhil> Our 9" or 10" eeepad is starting to power down randomly, even when fully charged, so we'll be in the market for an ultra-portable RSN.
[01:23:36] <FatPhil> we'd rather not take work laptops on personal travel.
[01:24:42] <FatPhil> The nice thing about only upgrading laptops every 5+ years is that moore's law and battery tech advancements make the new beasts quite sexy, even if you buy a 1-year-old refurb.
[01:35:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> my desktop got spanked by a lesbian's laptop? there's something intriguing there that warrants further consideration.
[01:37:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, my motherboard and cpu turn ten this spring.
[01:38:17] <chromas> You can afford to upgrade now, what with all that soylent money rolling in
[01:38:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> phenom II x6. the last AMD chip without a hardware rootkit.
[01:39:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, don't really need to. the cpu runs anything i ask it to just fine. could use a new vid card though.
[01:40:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> mind you, it'd be nice to have 32 cores to throw at kernel compiles and gentoo updates.
[01:47:52] <chromas> what if you want to open a website with javascript though?
[01:49:41] <chromas> have some propaganda https://www.facebook.com
[01:53:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> why would i wanna do that?
[01:56:04] <chromas> because javascript kicks ass
[01:56:39] <chromas> literally. it headstomps your cpu like that substitute teacher in texas
[01:56:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, s/k/l/
[01:56:43] <exec> <TheMightyBuzzard> <chromas> literally. it headstomps your cpu lile that substitute teacher in texas
[01:57:04] <chromas> haha
[01:57:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake chromas
[01:57:19] * MrPlow smakes chromas upside the head with a hashref
[02:00:07] <chromas> I still don't know what a hashref is. Is it like an associative array where the values are references?
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[02:07:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's a reference to a hash
[02:07:46] <chromas> so it's a pointer?
[02:07:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup
[02:08:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> or perl's version of one that points to a hash anyway
[02:10:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can call a hash an associative array if you like. you work with them the same way. perl hashes have much more overhead though.
[02:37:01] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Facebook Bug Shows Camera Activated in Background During App Use - https://sylnt.us - its-a-feature-not-a-bug
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[03:51:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> 8008135++
[03:51:16] <Bender> karma - 8008135: 127
[04:08:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Mozilla Partners With Intel, Red Hat and Fastly to Take WebAssembly Beyond the Browser - https://sylnt.us - NOO-GOD!-NO.-GOD.-PLEASE.-NO.-NO!!!-NO!!!-NOOOOOO!!!
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[04:27:32] <chromas> RandomFactor_, RandomFactor: Did your sis pick a costume? Or is is a secret?
[05:35:59] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microsoft Embraces California Data Privacy Law, But Don't Expect Google to Follow Suit - https://sylnt.us
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[06:47:01] <chromas> https://www.reddit.com
[06:47:04] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03r/pcmasterrace - Cheap minivan captains chair + old office chair base + a piece of plywood = a comfy computer chair. And... Cup holders!
[07:07:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Specially Crafted ZIP Files Used to Bypass Secure Email Gateways - https://sylnt.us - clever-hackers
[08:46:39] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - DirecTV Kept Charging Regional Sports Fee While Channel Was Blacked Out - https://sylnt.us - business-as-usual
[10:17:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Engineers Develop a New Way to Remove Carbon Dioxide From Air - https://sylnt.us - plant-more-trees?
[11:15:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:15:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5034
[11:45:36] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - More Americans Struggle to Fall Asleep, Stay Asleep - https://sylnt.us - one-sheep-two-sheep-red-sheep-blue-sheep
[13:15:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Airbnb’s Fight to Overturn a New Jersey Law Imploded - https://sylnt.us - the-people-have-spoken
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[14:46:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Samsung Galaxy S11 Specs Leaked - https://sylnt.us - according-to-Samsung-size-matters
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[15:44:11] <FatPhil> What I love about google is that when I search for art nouveau things, it returns a whole page of art deco things.
[15:48:14] <Bytram> Wouldn't that make it "art deceau"?
[15:48:21] <Bytram> ;)
[15:48:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> Can we fix that Galaxy S11 story to NOT link to the AMP version of the page?
[15:48:56] <AndyTheAbsurd> (Literally just take "/amp" out of the URL)
[15:49:11] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.tomsguide.com
[15:49:12] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03Galaxy S11 giant screen sizes, 108MP camera and colors just leaked
[15:49:20] <Bytram> whereto? https://www.tomsguide.com
[15:49:21] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03Galaxy S11 giant screen sizes, 108MP camera and colors just leaked
[15:49:36] <AndyTheAbsurd> Yeah it doesn't detect that you're on desktop and redirect
[15:49:51] <Bytram> done.
[15:49:51] <AndyTheAbsurd> Also AMP is cancer and causes cancer and fucked my mom last night.
[15:50:10] <Bytram> give it a few minutes to work its way through the caches.
[15:50:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> I clicked through and confirmed my fix before I suggested it. :)
[15:50:54] <Bytram> appreciated, but I just had to make sure, yanno?
[15:52:19] <Bytram> darkreading-- displays no text unless I turn on Javascript
[15:52:19] <Bender> karma - darkreading: -1
[15:52:28] <Bytram> https://www.darkreading.com
[15:52:29] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03PayPal Upsets Microsoft as Phishers' Favorite Brand
[15:53:22] <Bytram> got it to load using Lynx, after accepting 6 cookies.
[16:02:52] <FatPhil> G/f's currently working on someone's economics PhD, which contains the line "six major hedge fund databases (BarclayHedge, Eurekahedge, HFR, Morningstar, and Lipper TASS)" - yup, the economy's gonna be in safe hands with numeric abilities like that...
[16:12:24] <carny> archive.is is becoming unusable now too
[16:17:18] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ring Flaw Underscores Impact of IoT Vulnerabilities - https://sylnt.us - Internet-of-Leaks
[16:25:57] <FatPhil> one annoying website behaviour I've seen recently is constant reloads. saw that from dropbox earlier today, for example.
[16:26:11] <FatPhil> I was pointed towards this: https://www.dropbox.com
[16:26:16] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03China popup bar
[16:26:21] <FatPhil> but I can't see a single image.
[16:27:17] <FatPhil> no j/s = nothing, j/s = constant refreshes.
[16:27:59] <FatPhil> Apparently <img src="..."> is too complicated for modern web "designers".
[16:45:31] <carny> FatPhil: try it with dl=1
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[16:53:13] <FatPhil> carny: oooh, that downloads something - thanks!
[16:55:10] <carny> glad i could help ;]
[17:10:39] <FatPhil> and now I'm out of HD space...
[17:13:27] <carny> wow how big is that download?
[17:27:42] <FatPhil> a few gigs, and then I started unzipping
[17:28:03] <FatPhil> someone likes his 25MPx camera, methinks
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[17:34:25] <Runaway1956_> No submissions proving that the acqua alta proves global warming? Odd . . .
[17:35:23] * Runaway1956_ checks Amazon for the price of Venetian Floods
[17:46:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Imagined Movements Can Alter Our Brains - https://sylnt.us - I-imagine-so
[17:54:28] <chromas> missed a great !grab opportunity :'(
[17:54:52] <chromas> !grab-1 FatPhil
[17:54:54] <chromas> :(
[17:55:04] * Runaway1956_ grabs chrome ass
[17:58:47] <chromas> For dropbox, you have to allow js and xhr from dropboxstatic.com, plus it looks like every thumbnail has its own subdomain for some reason
[17:59:21] <chromas> they don't have scripts though
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[19:20:52] <FatPhil> chromas: did you intend to capture me unzipping?
[19:35:47] <chopchop1> he said unzipping huhu
[20:16:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stressed to the Max? Deep Sleep Can Rewire the Anxious Brain - https://sylnt.us - shortest-distance-between-despair-and-hope-is-a-good-night's-sleep
[20:54:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> #submit https://techraptor.net
[20:54:14] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[20:54:39] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[21:02:27] <carny> http://feedproxy.google.com
[21:02:28] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez celebrates her silver rank in League of Legends ( https://www.cnet.com )
[21:02:44] <carny> ;]
[21:03:51] <chromas> !grab FatPhil
[21:03:51] <Bender> Added quote 922
[21:04:18] <chromas> he's been waiting for that all this time so he can talk
[21:36:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Anticoagulant Benefits for Atrial Fibrillation Decrease With Age - https://sylnt.us - fun-of-growing-old
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[22:11:47] <FatPhil> chromas: I knew that you were just desperate to see me unzipping again
[22:12:28] <FatPhil> and now I've got it out you can have a laugh at it
[23:08:19] <RandomFactor> !grab fatphil
[23:08:19] <Bender> Added quote 923
[23:08:22] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - PayPal Unseats Microsoft as Phishers' Favorite Brand - https://sylnt.us - I'll-bet-that-they-are-pleased
[23:16:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Meta: Notes for Nerds - https://sylnt.us - lingere
[23:31:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, ya fookers, yall either need to talk about stuff or ima down beryllium (hosts the irc stuffs) for a free disk upgrade
[23:31:20] <chromas> We could all switch to irc2
[23:31:28] <chromas> or all do our upgrades at the same time
[23:32:04] <chromas> if you're doing that, may as well upgrade charybdis too
[23:32:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell with that, that's Deucalion's job.
[23:32:52] * TheMightyBuzzard is all about shirking responsibility
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[23:36:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ♫ i drink a whiskey drink, i drink a chocolate drink, and when i have to pee, i use the kitchen sink ♫
[23:37:15] <szopin> :D
[23:37:48] <szopin> hello, any luck with the comments op?
[23:38:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, been busy updating lithium and magnesium all day. gentoo's all kinds of fun if you forget to update for a few months.
[23:39:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's our dev server and load balancer by the way
[23:39:46] <szopin> managed to get json.parse working so now topics can be browsed (even if some have like 20 articles total ouch)
[23:40:29] <szopin> at least it's rms approved
[23:41:13] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[23:41:51] <szopin> oh just noticed the balancer meta post
[23:41:55] <TheMightyBuzzard> think that stuff's fun, try doing it in rust
[23:42:14] <szopin> lol
[23:42:39] <szopin> btw would you have an example how comments are returned?
[23:42:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> MrPlow uses json extensively but rust likes its structs to have a definite structure defined at compile time
[23:43:19] <szopin> recently realised they have child-parent relationship and it will need to be somehow reflected, simple listview wo 't work
[23:43:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://soylentnews.org should give you an idea
[23:43:54] <szopin> no idea yet how to do it in qml
[23:44:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> naw, you can sort em flat
[23:44:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> we have a flat view mode ourselves
[23:44:52] <szopin> well yeah, can always just list them as a list but that will lose all coherence who is replying to who etc
[23:44:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> does make it harder to read though, yeah
[23:45:58] <szopin> still don't understand how the reddit client does it but it involves rectangles and repeaters, will take a while
[23:46:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd go with collapsible trees like we do. which is why we do. cause i did.
[23:46:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, can't tell you specifically with qml
[23:46:35] <szopin> not sure qml/silica has trees
[23:46:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> html don't either. we had to build our own.
[23:48:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> as long as you can associate one comment with its parent, you should be able to do it.
[23:49:09] <FatPhil> plus the assumption that the parent is already known about, I presume?
[23:49:49] <szopin> i think for step one will just add indent if hasparent, step two count parents? that's why i'm looking for example
[23:50:56] <szopin> hmm, ok irssi sucks when going landscape/portrait :(
[23:52:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, you could look at the logic in rehash but it would take you longer to grok the wacky perl than to figure it out yourself
[23:53:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> easiest would probably build an array of comments with pid=0, sort it, start with either the highest or lowest cid, build that comment, then build all its child comments. then go to the next pid=0 comment
[23:54:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> it looks ugly and spread out as hell but that's essentially how we do it.
[23:54:55] <szopin> thanks for the example, gonna look through it, seems children property will need to be used and opid to tie them to parent comment
[23:55:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> if you want to speed up processing you can also take a shortcut and build a second array for child comments of that parent using the opid, which is what top level comment it's attached to
[23:55:46] <szopin> looks like fun :D
[23:55:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> searching a smaller array is faster than a larger one
[23:56:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> you can probably ignore "children" that's just a count and you can get away with never even looking at it.
[23:58:40] <szopin> thought might be useful to designate starting points, if opid=0 and children>0, but idk what i'm doing yet as just learning qml so maybe not
[23:59:03] <pinchy> MDC died? was just reading martyb journal
[23:59:29] <szopin> thanks a ton for the working example, will try to come up with something
[23:59:55] <szopin> cya around guys!