#soylent | Logs for 2019-11-10
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[00:26:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AI Will Now Watch for Fraudsters on the World’s Largest Stock Exchange - https://sylnt.us - doesn't-mean-that-it-will-catch-them
[00:52:39] <chromas> But what if the AI was installed by fraudsters?
[01:01:03] <RandomFactor> More worrisome if it was coded by fraudsters
[01:18:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> more worrisome, if it was coded by microsoft
[01:19:24] <chromas> Would that be better or worse than if it was coded by Google?
[01:20:57] <RandomFactor> Two things can be true at onces
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[02:10:03] <AzumaHazuki> there. 320-grit sand and second coat of butcher block oil on. with any luck i will have a cheap and cheerful kitchen table by end of the week
[02:10:28] <AzumaHazuki> and can then make delicious Slav goodness...pelmeni, chebureki, and so on
[02:22:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> easy repair finish as well
[02:31:00] <AzumaHazuki> my one gripe is apparently you have to wait 72 hours after the last coat, and then wipe down with soap and water, before using
[02:41:28] <TheMightyBuzzard> eh, the oil isn't going to hurt any food or whatnot but it could still stain things that like to absorb oil.
[02:44:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> tablecloth, doily, fabric placemats, etc...
[02:45:32] <AzumaHazuki> this table is going to be strictly prep. flour/water/egg is going right on the surface. so the wait time and wash to get all the solvent out is kinda important
[02:48:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> might slightly alter the flavor but butcherblock oil is foodsafe even right out of the box. you could cook in it but it wouldn't taste great.
[02:50:29] <AzumaHazuki> iiiick
[02:50:53] <AzumaHazuki> what i got was a little can of Watco brush-on oil
[02:51:31] <Bytram> be careful with the used rags... could be a fire hazard
[02:51:53] <AzumaHazuki> i used disposable foam brushes for this
[02:51:59] <AzumaHazuki> also, glad to hear you're doing better :)
[02:52:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> yep, make sure and store them all in one container by your neighbor's shed
[02:52:08] <Bytram> self-combusting or somesuch term that escapes me atm
[02:52:22] <Bytram> air-tight container
[02:52:44] <Bytram> I'm especially remembering such a warning when it came to linseed oil.
[02:53:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> no air-tight. you gotta let em breathe free. store on a mound of sawdust for safety.
[02:55:13] <Bytram> #smake TheMightyBuzzard with a burlap bag of sawdust soaked in linseed oil.
[02:55:13] * MrPlow smakes TheMightyBuzzard with a burlap bag of sawdust soaked in linseed oil. upside the head with a one-eyed snake
[02:57:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm going stainless for the kitchen island/counter/whatzit. wood's pretty but stainless is a fuckload more durable, easier to clean, and doesn't care if you have to set a hot as shit pan on it.
[02:58:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - In U.S. First, Scientists Safely Edit Cancer Patients’ Cells With CRISPR - https://sylnt.us - crispy-patients
[02:59:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, we have 'duh' coming up relatively soon on the link shortener. be nice if we had story that fit the shortened url.
[03:00:20] <Bytram> https://sylnt.us
[03:00:21] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03YOURLS — Your Own URL Shortener | https://sylnt.us ( https://sylnt.us )
[03:00:42] <Bytram> huh? We should have hit that one by now!
[03:00:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> o comes after e
[03:01:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://sylnt.us
[03:01:15] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03On the Road to Recovery after a Minor Stroke - SoylentNews ( https://soylentnews.org )
[03:01:26] * TheMightyBuzzard facepalms
[03:01:31] <Bytram> oh, you are looking WAY far ahead.
[03:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's some irony right there
[03:02:09] * Bytram fixes TheMightyBuzzard with a steely gaze
[03:02:28] <Bytram> all the better to get the wrinkles out
[03:02:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, *i* ain't the one who timed it
[03:02:33] <Bytram> lol
[03:03:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://sylnt.us
[03:03:58] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03YOURLS — Your Own URL Shortener | https://sylnt.us ( https://sylnt.us )
[03:04:02] <Bytram> I'll leave it to you to remind us when we are getting closer... there's something like three dozen chars rotated through each character position.
[03:04:38] <Bytram> so... from 'ded' to 'dfd' would be ~36 stories
[03:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> https://sylnt.us
[03:04:40] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03martyb - SoylentNews User ( https://soylentnews.org )
[03:05:01] <Bytram> so... from 'deh' to 'dfh' would be ~36 stories
[03:05:10] <Bytram> so... from 'deh' to 'dih' would be ~72 stories
[03:05:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> so, a few weeks
[03:05:58] <Bytram> so... from 'deh' to 'd[fghijklmno]h' would be ~10 * 36 stories
[03:06:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, i needa make a page for searching the shortened link db
[03:07:08] <Bytram> if you really want to skip 'doh' and aim for 'duh', you've got pqrstu which is another ~6*36 stories
[03:07:35] <Bytram> 16 * 36 is ~ 576 stories?
[03:09:08] <Bytram> We do about 15 stories per day on weekdays and about 10 per day on weekends.
[03:09:25] <Bytram> or about 95 stories per week
[03:10:16] <Bytram> so you are looking at the better part of 6 weeks until we get to 'duh', assuming my 36 chars estimate is correct.
[03:10:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, there's lots of good ones in the ds
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[03:11:11] <Bytram> so that looks like something like Dec 21st.
[03:11:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> #smake Sirfinkus
[03:11:34] * MrPlow smakes Sirfinkus upside the head with a metal gear
[03:11:46] <Bytram> biab
[03:11:49] <Sirfinkus> hey, watch it with that
[03:11:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> why, was it solid?
[03:12:10] <Sirfinkus> now I'm depressed, thanks
[03:12:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> miss the snake?
[03:12:40] <Sirfinkus> naw, not really
[03:13:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> damn, they made a lot of metal gear games i never even heard of
[03:14:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine time
[03:14:55] <Sirfinkus> I probably should play some of those at some point
[03:20:11] <chromas> The newer ones don't have 3 hour cutscenes though :(
[03:27:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha! how did i not think of this shit until just now? https://www.amazon.com
[03:35:13] <Sirfinkus> NERDS
[03:36:09] <Sirfinkus> oh wait, I've been watching Chemical Safety Board videos the past hour and a half
[03:36:11] <Sirfinkus> carry on
[03:37:34] <Sirfinkus> it's like those "seconds from disaster" shows you get on discovery, except condensed to 15 minutes and with no bullshit drama
[03:38:40] <Sirfinkus> https://www.youtube.com
[03:38:44] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03YouTube
[03:39:20] <Sirfinkus> fucking shit sound engineer at the beginning too
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[03:42:10] <Bytram> =g wikipedia SLS
[03:42:11] <ClownHatLinux> https://en.wikipedia.org - Space Launch System - Wikipedia
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[03:48:39] <chromas> the narrator sounds like the guy from that mormon cartoon
[03:49:08] <Bytram> ~arthur https://www.sciencedaily.com
[03:49:11] <exec> it has been only 7 seconds since the last submission - please wait
[03:50:36] <NotSanguine> hey bytram. I'm repeatedly loading pages without CSS on the site. Not every single page load, but more often than not. Perhaps there's an issue with one (or more) of the servers?
[03:53:03] <NotSanguine> I've cleared my cache/cookies a few times, but no soap. :(
[03:53:08] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: ^^^ any ideas?/ ISTR that janrinok reported same thing early this AM. I bounced the frontends something like 12-14 hours ago.
[03:54:24] * Bytram tries reloading the main page with a hard load "Ctrl+F5"... and it looks fine from my end (fwiw, I am using Pale Moon on win 7 Pro x64)
[03:54:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, not especially. that generally means it's time to bounce hydrogen and fluorine frontends
[03:54:56] <Bytram> again? After about 1/2 day?
[03:55:01] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[03:55:03] <NotSanguine> Bytram, TheMightyBuzzard: I was away (still logged in) for several hours and when I returned, I started seeing this. Maybe 10 or 15 minutes ago. ctrl-f5 has no effect for me
[03:55:22] <Bytram> NotSanguine: which browser are you using?
[03:55:27] <Bytram> and which OS?
[03:56:04] <NotSanguine> Firefox 60.6.2ESR on Windows 7.
[03:56:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> NotSanguine, load it again right now if you would
[03:56:32] <NotSanguine> Did so. I have CSS again.
[03:56:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> figures. won't break while i'm watching the log
[03:57:10] <NotSanguine> I loaded a bunch of pages and all seems okay.
[03:57:16] * Bytram just reloaded his messages inbox... all is fine
[03:58:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm... seeing a db error in the logs. gonna look into it.
[03:58:31] <NotSanguine> I suppose it could be just on my end -- the first time I cleared my cache and reloaded (15 mins ago or so) I got CSS again. Then it went away again. Perhaps not all of the front-ends were affected?
[03:59:33] <chromas> Firefox ESR vs Chromium RMS
[03:59:51] <NotSanguine> Bytram, TheMightyBuzzard: Thanks! I wouldn't bug you guys if I hadn't tried to resolve it on my end first.
[04:00:27] <chromas> They actually could stand to be bugged a lot more, so stop by any time :)
[04:00:51] <Bytram> NotSanguine: HTH! (Even if it is from the sidelines.)
[04:03:53] <NotSanguine> At this point, Vivaldi (2.6.1566.49) and IE11 (windows 7) and Midori 6.0 (Fedora 30) as well as firefox all seem fine.
[04:04:39] <Bytram> That's going to have to do it for as I need to hit the sack. Hope things work out okay!
[04:04:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in the process of bouncing the ndb nodes, so it's running off a cluster of one until i'm done
[04:04:59] <Bytram> s/r a/r me a/
[04:05:00] <NotSanguine> TheMightyBuzzard, Bytram: did you guys bounce the front-ends or was it all in my head?
[04:05:00] <exec> <Bytram> That's going to have to do it for me as I need to hit the sack. Hope things work out okay!
[04:05:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gnight Bytram
[04:05:06] * exec insatiably cracks open a cheap plastic cup of brass hooks for Bytram
[04:05:10] <NotSanguine> ''night bytram
[04:05:11] <Bytram> ~gnight TheMightyBuzzard
[04:05:13] * exec sneakily passes a hatful of politics to TheMightyBuzzard
[04:05:44] <TheMightyBuzzard> you win
[04:06:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> afk a few for nicotine while node 2 restarts
[04:07:24] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ thanks for tending the site's plumbing!
[04:07:24] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 360
[04:07:44] <Bytram> Now *that* is a nice, round number!
[04:08:27] <NotSanguine> Bytram, TheMightyBuzzard: I guess it was something odd on my end, even if clearing cache and restarting the browser didn't seem to make a difference. I appreciate your time and attention.
[04:15:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> node 2 is having "issues"
[04:15:54] <NotSanguine> I see that. No CSS right now
[04:16:02] <NotSanguine> will reload pages a few times if you'd like
[04:17:18] <NotSanguine> TheMightyBuzzard: And now CSS is back. Because you fixed it or because I'm on a different node now.
[04:18:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> just started restarting node 3
[04:18:27] <NotSanguine> A different node, apparently.
[04:19:15] <NotSanguine> I'll let you do your thing TheMightyBuzzard. And thank you!
[04:20:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> bounced the web frontends for good measure
[04:20:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> if it happens again, ping me here. have the log up watching.
[04:22:47] <NotSanguine> TheMightyBuzzard: Seems okay now. Will let you know if that changes. And thanks again!
[04:40:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, all the cluster nodes restarted and humming along
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[04:40:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> error logs tailing on both web frontends piped into a "grep css"
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[04:40:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be able to spot it if we have prollems overnight
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[05:17:40] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - TrendMicro Employee Sold Customer Info to Tech Support Scammers - https://sylnt.us - watch-out-for-insiders
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[06:54:28] <Runaway1956> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[06:54:30] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Great apes pass a false-belief test, hinting at a theory of mind"...
[06:54:52] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Great Apes Pass a False-belief Test, Hinting at a Theory of Mind" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:57:01] <Runaway1956> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[06:57:02] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Why more than 168,000 Valentine’s day text messages arrived in November"...
[06:57:20] <Runaway1956> Mmmm - maybe I should look at submissions queue . . .
[06:57:24] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Why More Than 168,000 Valentine’s Day Text Messages Arrived in November" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:01:19] <Runaway1956> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[07:01:21] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Vitamin E acetate found in all lung fluid samples tested from injured vapers"...
[07:01:42] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Vitamin E Acetate Found in All Lung Fluid Samples Tested From Injured Vapers" (13 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:09:47] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[07:09:48] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Hitting the Books: Did the advent of the first desktop computer lead to murder?"...
[07:10:10] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Hitting the Books: Did the Advent of the First Desktop Computer Lead to Murder?" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:13:38] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[07:13:39] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Apple will fix macOS flaw exposing portions of encrypted emails"...
[07:14:01] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Apple Will Fix macOS Flaw Exposing Portions of Encrypted Emails" (4 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:19:01] <Runaway1956> =submit https://thenextweb.com
[07:19:03] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Little-known aspect of US copyright law means creators can reclaim their work"...
[07:19:24] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Little-known Aspect of US Copyright Law Means Creators Can Reclaim Their Work" (18 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:21:35] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.wired.com
[07:21:37] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Empathy Is Tearing Us Apart"...
[07:21:59] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Empathy Is Tearing Us Apart" (23 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:26:41] <Runaway1956> *don'tsubmit stories on black friday buys
[07:27:10] <Runaway1956> *don'tsubmit stories on "best coffee makers"
[07:27:33] <Runaway1956> *don't submit stories on "best TV gifts for the holidays"
[07:27:49] <Runaway1956> I may have to delete that stupid feed, don't know why I included it
[07:29:02] <Runaway1956> Oh, wait - "best gifts for teenage boys" story? Hmmmm - probably teenage girls? Well, in my world, anyway. Today's incels and mgtows may not agree.
[07:29:39] <Runaway1956> *delete cnet news feed
[07:31:33] <chromas> you just need to install a filter
[07:32:03] <chromas> get yourself some deeplearn ai machine learning neural nets
[07:32:37] <Runaway1956> easier to delete a feed that is full of shit, isn't it?
[07:33:14] <chromas> sure it's full of holidays ads now, but after christmas, it'll have new year ads
[07:34:39] <FatPhil> saw my first rope-climbing santa yesterday
[07:35:11] <chromas> he had a rope? hope he wasn't near a college campus
[07:35:22] <FatPhil> so I guess it's gonna be 2 months of constant jinglebells in the streets from now on
[07:35:48] <Runaway1956> More like about six weeks FatPhil
[07:35:54] <FatPhil> little plastic ones
[07:36:03] <FatPhil> battery powered
[07:36:26] <Runaway1956> do they vibrate? Multiple purpose jingle bells
[07:36:30] <FatPhil> they still sell them into january here.
[07:36:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Sounds of Mosquito Mating Rituals Could Lead to Quieter Drones - https://sylnt.us - only-sound-I-want-to-hear-is-SPLAT
[07:36:44] <chromas> yeah, post-season discounts!
[07:36:53] <FatPhil> well, they climb ropes, so they're full of moving parts
[07:37:14] <FatPhil> More like a chain than a rope by the looks of it.
[07:38:14] <FatPhil> I do want to buy one and then modify it to climb the ~6m to my top rafter.
[07:39:42] <chromas> chains identifying as ropes now. what's the world coming to?
[07:45:32] <Runaway1956> Ooooooh, an assange story that has been deleted - looks interesting . . .
[07:47:21] <Runaway1956> found it!
[07:47:31] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.globalresearch.ca
[07:47:33] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Julian Assange: The Lynching of the Charismatic Geek - Global Research"...
[07:47:54] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Julian Assange: The Lynching of the Charismatic Geek - Global Research" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:54:35] <Runaway1956> Blame all the world's problems on the Germans - they did it first!
[07:54:47] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[07:54:48] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Prehistoric ape from Germany was a pioneer of two-legged walking"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[07:55:10] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Prehistoric Ape From Germany Was a Pioneer of Two-legged Walking" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[07:55:38] <Runaway1956> Somehow, I suspect that story to be bullshit, but it's a cool headline
[08:01:34] <Runaway1956> Interesting read - could make a good submission in an alternate reality - https://www.nytimes.com
[08:01:36] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03Opinion | A Stripper’s Favorite Client
[08:57:10] <FatPhil> Stopped reading at "hashtag". It's not a fucking hashtag.
[09:09:31] <Runaway1956> huh? #stripper isn't a valid hashtag?
[09:13:24] <FatPhil> now read for comprehension
[09:27:00] <chromas> # isn't a hashtag but #hashtag is
[09:27:12] <chromas> it's a tag that starts with a hash
[09:29:33] <chromas> https://www.youtube.com
[09:29:37] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03YouTube
[09:58:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Elusive Cancer-Related Protein Captured In Flight - https://sylnt.us - thar-she-goes!
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[12:03:37] <FatPhil> chromas++ gets it
[12:03:37] <Bender> karma - chromas: 262
[12:16:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 66 Million Year Old Dinosaur Battle Continues in Court - https://sylnt.us - Legalsaurus-Lex
[13:07:35] <carny> so we are enjoying our conversations on hashtag soylent?
[13:09:33] <janrinok> hi carny - I'm busy at the moment but will chat in a bit
[13:15:34] <carny> i think you missed my joke janrinok ;]
[13:18:51] <janrinok> probably a whoosh on my part
[13:49:52] <Runaway1956> =submit https://therealnews.com
[13:49:54] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Who Elected Zuckerberg Head of the Thought Police?"...
[13:50:16] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Who Elected Zuckerberg Head of the Thought Police?" (45 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:51:35] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.mintpressnews.com
[13:51:37] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "#Bernieblackout: The Media Isn't Even Hiding Its Anti-Bernie Bias Anymore"...
[13:51:59] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "#Bernieblackout: The Media Isn't Even Hiding Its Anti-Bernie Bias Anymore" (36 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:52:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, chromas, that's not a tag, it's a comment
[13:55:42] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.nytimes.com
[13:55:44] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "The Hidden Cost of Gold: Birth Defects and Brain Damage"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.nytimes.com )
[13:56:06] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "The Hidden Cost of Gold: Birth Defects and Brain Damage" (68 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[13:56:21] <Runaway1956> g'day buzzard
[13:56:32] <Runaway1956> dam I done it wrong
[13:58:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Runaway1956
[13:58:43] * exec dexterously ejaculates scrotal sacks of orange slices at Runaway1956
[13:59:00] * Bytram yawns
[13:59:00] * MrPlow flips a Skittle into Bytram's gaping mouth
[13:59:04] <Bytram> coffee++
[13:59:05] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5029
[13:59:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[13:59:10] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5030
[13:59:21] <Runaway1956> ~g'day TMB
[13:59:23] * exec smurfily synthesizes a 40 of unsigned bools from TMB
[13:59:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> blarg. time to put socks on and go be a plumber some more.
[13:59:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[13:59:43] * exec irrefutably internalizes a Borg cube of pain and suffering in Bytram
[13:59:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> man, you just can't win lately
[13:59:59] <Runaway1956> plumbing can be fun
[14:00:10] <Runaway1956> depending on who you are plumbing
[14:00:13] <Runaway1956> for
[14:00:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> no, laying pipe can be fun. plumbing is boring.
[14:00:31] <Runaway1956> I used that line in the Navy - and it worked
[14:00:54] <Runaway1956> Lt. Donnely, I need to take the day off and work on the plumbing
[14:01:10] <Runaway1956> next day - "Runaway, don't you live in Navy Housing?"
[14:01:34] <Runaway1956> Well, Yes Sir! But I didn't want Navy builders laying pipe for me!
[14:01:59] <Runaway1956> =submit buzzard
[14:01:59] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[14:01:59] <ClownHatLinux> Runaway1956, submit failed: No title.
[14:01:59] <Runaway1956> <Runaway1956> dam I done it wrong
[14:01:59] <Runaway1956> <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Runaway1956
[14:02:03] * exec arrogantly culturally appropriates a ciri of sunbeams from TheMightyBuzzard
[14:02:08] <Runaway1956> dafuq?
[14:02:41] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for babysitting the servers last night... did I read correctly that you *rebooted* servers? Which ones?
[14:02:43] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[14:02:44] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Post-apocalyptic fossils show rise of mammals after dinosaur demise"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[14:03:06] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Post-apocalyptic Fossils Show Rise of Mammals After Dinosaur Demise" (19 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:03:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> got over half a dozen more cpvc joints (butt joints, Ts, and elbows) to make and the pipe running to/from them. also some gas line to cut out and a tiny bit of framing that needs to go away so the pipes can come down to the sink.
[14:31:15] <Runaway1956> =submit https://www.reuters.com
[14:31:16] <ClownHatLinux> Submitting "Manure, trash and wastewater: U.S. utilities get dirty in climate fight"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.reuters.com )
[14:31:38] <ClownHatLinux> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Manure, Trash and Wastewater: U.S. Utilities Get Dirty in Climate Fight" (20 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:36:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ransomware, Data Breaches at Hospitals Tied to Uptick in Fatal Heart Attacks - https://sylnt.us - windows-tco
[14:47:01] <chromas> microsoft certified senior eugenics
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[14:50:20] * chromas conspiracies
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[14:59:40] <FatPhil> all ex-associates of the Clintons?
[15:01:44] <chromas> plus her he-males
[15:02:32] <chromas> all deleted by windows ce
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[15:21:00] <AzumaHazuki> welp. that paranoid saving i've been doing is paying off. way back in June I started getting premonitions my old T440s was on the way out
[15:21:27] <AzumaHazuki> been putting some $ aside every paycheck. today it failed to find the HDD 4 times in a row. I've made backups, just ordered an openbox Thinkpad E495 off fleabay :)
[15:21:59] <AzumaHazuki> FHD, 8GB/256GB, advertised with an R7-3700...this is going to be a 5+ year workhorse
[15:24:30] <chromas> 256GB? IS that an SSD?
[15:25:15] <AzumaHazuki> yes, an NVMe one :)
[15:25:19] <chromas> noice
[15:25:46] <AzumaHazuki> i always feel horribly guilty about buying anything big-ticket (well, for me this is big-ticket) even though I have 3x enough for it and no upcoming bills and am a month ahead on rent...
[15:26:18] <AzumaHazuki> hope like hell this lasts 5 years like the T440s did. And this thing's not dead yet, just...flaky. will keep as emergency backup machine
[15:27:16] <chromas> Gotta have something to connect to irc from
[15:27:25] <chromas> though I'm not sure 256gb is enough for windows 10
[15:27:59] <Bytram> AzumaHazuki: good that you planned ahead. Am curious, did you consider just replacing the drive or were there other issues with your existing box?
[15:28:17] <AzumaHazuki> lots of others. USB ports flaking out, one of the slots inside is already not working right...
[15:28:23] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:28:30] <Bytram> time to move along then
[15:28:49] <AzumaHazuki> i really like the T440s. it's been with me through good and bad times and always worked
[15:29:16] <AzumaHazuki> have to admit SATA and an i5-4200U are getting long in the tooth though
[15:29:39] <chromas> replace the hdd and turn it into a server box, folded up on a shelf somewhere
[15:29:46] <Bytram> hard to argue with success, OTOH "past performance is no guarantee of future results"
[15:30:35] <AzumaHazuki> will keep in my closet, just like I did with the T500 when the T440s arrived
[15:31:02] <Bytram> BTW, snf totally unrelated, but if anyone is in the market ffor a microSDXC card, this is a great deal $19.99 for 128GB: https://www.bestbuy.com
[15:31:04] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03SanDisk Extreme PLUS 128GB microSDXC UHS-I Memory Card SDSQXBZ-128G-ANCMA - Best Buy
[15:41:11] * Bytram remembers a time when finding a 1 GB spinny 3.5-inch HDD for less than $1000 was a *deal*
[15:42:59] <AzumaHazuki> thankfully we're no longer in the dark ages
[15:44:32] * Bytram also remembers looking at a memory board for a PDP-8 where one could *easily* see each of the core memory *bits* and the three wires on which each was strung.
[15:49:45] <AzumaHazuki> uphill in the snow both ways? :v
[15:50:13] <RandomFactor_> RLL encoding kicked the tail of basic MFM and made our ST-225s into 30MB powerhouses. Then we moved up to ST-4096 80MB full height monsters that we could push to 120mb. It's all been downhill from there.
[15:51:29] <RandomFactor_> If you had two floppy drives that pretty much sealed the deal. Lot less swapping.
[16:22:42] <Bytram> RandomFactor_: Yeah, I remember how much better a floppy was than a tape drive for program storage (and those were better than paper tape and punch cards, too)
[16:24:01] <Bytram> my first hard disk came a bit late, an ST-251 40MB 1/2 height 5 1/4" drive that had to be partitioned into 32GB and 8GB because DOS 3.x could not address more than 32 MB with FAT at the time.
[16:24:16] <Bytram> s/GB/MB/g
[16:24:18] <exec> <Bytram> my first hard disk came a bit late, an ST-251 40MB 1/2 height 5 1/4" drive that had to be partitioned into 32MB and 8MB because DOS 3.x could not address more than 32 MB with FAT at the time.
[16:32:55] <FatPhil> I think my first owned one was an ST-104, but I'm sure DOS (Hmmm, not sure if 3.x or 4.0) could make it one partition
[16:33:24] <FatPhil> memory's a bit rusty. not sure of the model number either. I think it was 104MB.
[16:35:35] <RandomFactor_> yes, you could do two ~30 mb partitions on the 251 if you did the RLL thing :)
[16:36:28] <RandomFactor_> heady days
[16:40:56] <RandomFactor_> I actually tried to resurrect RBBS on my machine a couple of months back. Wasn't succesful though.
[16:41:12] <FatPhil> RLL was just the physical layer encoding scheme, independent of the partitioning scheme above that.
[16:41:23] <FatPhil> unless I'm mistaken
[16:42:11] <RandomFactor_> You had different physical controllers for MFM vs RLL
[16:42:40] <FatPhil> MFM was RLL, though, wasn't it?
[16:43:26] <FatPhil> with a limit of 2 bits!
[16:43:45] <FatPhil> no, 4 bits?
[16:43:50] <FatPhil> it's been too long
[16:44:12] <RandomFactor_> yeah, trying to remember. I have memory of toss in the RLL, do a low level and partition and done
[16:44:16] <RandomFactor_> (and format)
[16:44:57] <RandomFactor_> But once you went RLL you couldn't go back supposedly (althoug I did and it worked fine)
[16:46:38] <RandomFactor_> "I guess it had something to do with the drive mechanics cost, but what exactly had to be better to be RLL capable? In a nutshell, a drive used for 2,7 RLL had to be capable of handling bit cells that are only 2/3rds the size of those in MFM (the datarate in RLL is typically 50% greater (7.5MHz) that that in MFM). Not all of the early drives were up to this. When IDE came in, almost all drives immediately went to RL
[16:56:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 15,000 Year Old Mammoth Trap Found in Mexico - https://sylnt.us - could-have-used-trunkquilizer-darts
[16:59:13] <RandomFactor> [03:14.33] --NerdRPG-- Cthulhu decides you can be useful in furthering his divisive ends. You have found the level 97 Linus's final bug-free Ready for the Desktop version of Linux! Your enemies do the three fingered salute in awe
[17:00:39] <FatPhil> but any partition can be encoded in any line code, as any sequence of bits can be encoded in any line code, these are separate layers.
[17:01:40] <FatPhil> the PC itself probably didn't have any control over the line code in the modernish PC era (1990...). You literally had an "MFM drive".
[17:03:12] <FatPhil> how did you compress the archive of your files? 9600/8-N-1
[17:08:27] <RandomFactor> ARc, Lzh, Pak, eventually ZIP (never liked ZIp) LZH was probably my favorite
[17:09:00] <RandomFactor> Yoshi
[17:15:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~sed on
[17:15:21] <exec> sed already enabled for 10#soylent
[17:18:10] <Runaway1956> peanut butter ++
[17:22:25] <RandomFactor> You use peanut butter for bait?
[17:24:13] <Runaway1956> Well, yeah, I can use peanut butter for bait - it catches little kids mostly
[17:24:25] <RandomFactor> https://i.imgur.com
[17:25:21] <RandomFactor> Shouldn't that have read "Be calm and ~sed on"
[17:26:00] <FatPhil> it was a rhetorical question - the compression creates a bitstring, the fact that it's encoded a particular way for replication is irrelevant.
[17:51:46] <RandomFactor> That's never rhetorical to a veteran of the archiver wars
[18:04:40] <RandomFactor> By far the best and surest method to spark debate is to post something that could be interpreted, no matter how much of a stretch, as *wrong*
[18:09:04] <RandomFactor> I tried to tell @Artemis that she was going to be a lander but was ignored.
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[20:34:29] <Ethanol-fueled> Last night there was a line of cars 20 cars long spilling out into the boulevard and shitting up traffic
[20:34:45] <Ethanol-fueled> that line of cars was in the drive-thru line for fucking Popeye's chicken
[20:34:57] <Ethanol-fueled> Man, shit like that makes me ashamed to be an American.
[20:35:23] <Ethanol-fueled> It's a fucking chicken sandwhich, not even gold-plated or cut with crack cocaine.
[20:36:06] <Ethanol-fueled> Popeye's ain't even nearly as good as Chick Fil-a with even worse of a wait for a fucking chicken sandwhich
[20:37:00] <Ethanol-fueled> The worst part about witnessing that disgusting spectacle is that I didn't even get to see any Blacks fighting and ramming each others' cars to be first to get a chicken sandwich
[20:38:20] <Ethanol-fueled> A FUCKING CHICKEN SANDWICH
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[20:44:07] <carny> If you are in one of the coutries with state firewall (Russia, Australia, Iran, …) most likely the older domains (.today, .is, .li, .fo) are blocked there and the newer (.vn, .ph, .md) work. It takes 1-2 years for a domain to get into the blacklist on state firewall (a single page with political propaganda is enough) and it is almost not possible to get out.
[20:45:01] <carny> https://blog.archive.today
[20:45:02] <ClownHatLinux> ^ 03Archive.is blog
[21:03:53] <RandomFactor> Mmmmm, Popeye's
[21:20:24] <pinchy> popeye having a sale eh?
[21:47:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Best Way to Stop Lights From Flickering (and Burning Out) When AC Unit Compressor Turns On? - https://sylnt.us - use-hurricane-lamps
[21:58:27] <AzumaHazuki> nice, clean, fresh, warm laundry :)
[22:07:18] <chromas> Spread it on your bed and roll around in it
[22:07:41] <AzumaHazuki> and undo all the folding?
[22:08:28] <chromas> yes
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[23:58:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, s'what i did. didn't feel like hanging it all up last night so i got two extra loads of blanket.