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[01:49:51] <AzumaHazuki> is the site having trouble? i can't connect
[02:05:51] <Fnord666> Working fine for me
[02:17:30] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Reflections in a Pop Star’s Eyes Told a Selfie Stalker Exactly How to Find Her - https://sylnt.us - I-know-where-you-were
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[02:37:26] <SoyCow4408> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[02:37:27] <upstart> Submitting "NASA’s new Artemis spacesuits make it easier for astronauts of all sizes to move on the Moon – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; http://social.techcrunch.com )
[02:37:49] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "NASA’s New Artemis Spacesuits Make It Easier for Astronauts of All Sizes to Move on the Moon – T" (14 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:39:05] <Bytram> =g artemis gordon
[02:39:06] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Ross Martin - Wikipedia
[02:39:37] <Bytram> Well! That sure took long enough!
[02:40:37] <SoyCow4408> =submit https://www.theverge.com What a piece of garbage.
[02:40:39] <upstart> Submitting "YouTube gets alleged copyright troll to agree to stop trolling YouTubers"...
[02:41:01] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "YouTube Gets Alleged Copyright Troll to Agree to Stop Trolling YouTubers" (10 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:43:04] <SoyCow4408> =submit https://www.vice.com
[02:43:07] <upstart> SoyCow4408, submit failed: HTTP request returned status code 503 (Service Unavailable)
[02:43:42] <SoyCow4408> =submit https://www.vice.com
[02:43:44] <upstart> Submitting "Pornhub Finally Removes Girls Do Porn"...
[02:44:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> try again, just bounced the web frontends
[02:44:06] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Pornhub Finally Removes Girls Do Porn" (9 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:44:22] <SoyCow4408> there we go
[02:44:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> the vice one i mean
[02:44:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, ya did
[02:44:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> must be bedtime
[02:45:29] <SoyCow4408> lol
[02:45:42] <Bytram> I'd think so too, but I'm still going strong atm, but I had the closing shift tonight and the opening shift tomorrow... at some point I'm gonna hit the wall. Hard.
[02:47:42] <Fnord666> That looks like a story that'll hit soylentils close to . . . . home
[02:52:02] <AzumaHazuki> mweh, my porn habits mostly consist of yuri scanlations and fiction, soooo~
[02:52:15] <AzumaHazuki> also it is a total lie that women aren't visual.
[02:56:26] <chromas> I thought they mostly preferred emacs over vi
[02:57:09] <AzumaHazuki> lies. lies and slander. nano is the one true editor
[02:57:40] <AzumaHazuki> i have to admit emacs is an interesting TUI but until it gets a decent editor...yeah. maybe somoene can write a nano mode for it?
[02:58:30] <Bytram> the thing that sold me on emacs is that *everything* is configurable and extensible.
[03:00:09] <Bytram> And, it doesn't have a special "coding language" for coding the changes; everything (the editor itself, the various modes, the commands, any kind of extension you could want, all of it) is implemented that same way: using elisp.
[03:01:51] <chromas> You could try atom
[03:01:59] <chromas> it's the same, but with javascript :D :D :D :D
[03:02:07] <Bytram> Ewwwww!
[03:02:20] <chromas> Don't you want to use a web browser for text editing?
[03:02:25] <Bytram> There's no need to go nuclear!
[03:02:27] <AzumaHazuki> no
[03:02:33] <AzumaHazuki> why would--arrrgh, jesus
[03:02:36] <chromas> it's modern. why do you hate progress?
[03:03:30] <AzumaHazuki> innovation isn't necessarily progress. don't strawman
[03:03:30] <Bytram> Old code tends to have had most of the bugs shaken out of it already; new code has bugs crawling around everywhere.
[03:07:20] <chromas> old and ugly. what you need is a nice webby 3.11 for workgroups text editor with monochrome icons and integrated block chain snippets
[03:07:57] <AzumaHazuki> you're trying too hard now :/
[03:08:19] <chromas> okay but using block chain to store text snippets is a pretty good idea
[03:08:50] <chromas> it's easy to find an already existing snipped and it has built-in copyright attribution
[03:10:47] <chromas> firefox--
[03:10:47] <Bender> karma - firefox: -26
[03:11:05] <chromas> Remember the olden days when clicking the empty part of a scrollbar would scroll just one page?
[03:11:45] <AzumaHazuki> gtk2 remembers!
[03:14:22] * chromas lays a summer sausage on gtk2's grave and presses F
[03:15:58] * Bytram just his "wall"; gonna try again to go to sleep.
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[03:21:08] <inz> FatPhil, I still strongly believe they gonna botch the qualification somehow
[03:36:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas++ # masterfully resurrecting an ancient troll
[03:36:20] <Bender> karma - chromas: 258
[03:36:59] <chromas> Ressurect it then run it into the ground ;)
[03:37:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> saving it for later
[03:38:00] <chromas> I found yet another set of html meta tags to get the url, page title and stuff from
[03:38:29] <chromas> AppLink, which I think is a facebook thing, even though they already had OpenGraph
[03:38:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'd ask about em but that'd require effort and caring
[03:38:49] <chromas> Just more shat to stuff into the bot
[03:39:07] * chromas will soon have the bloatiest bot
[03:39:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh please, you'll never top crutchy
[03:39:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> except geographically
[03:40:10] <chromas> Even geographically. We only haz the babby spiders and no roos
[03:40:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> right but we're up from him, thus top
[03:41:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, off i fuck to give that sleep thing another shot
[03:47:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - How Fake News Spreads Like a Real Virus - https://sylnt.us - always-wash-your-ports
[04:19:51] <chromas> https://blog.archive.org
[04:19:52] <upstart> ^ 032,500 More MS-DOS Games Playable at the Archive
[05:17:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - I Tried to Hack My Insomnia With Technology. Here’s What Worked. - https://sylnt.us - I-don't-think-that-word-means-what-she-thinks-it-means
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[06:45:52] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AMD Refreshes Embedded GPU Lineup, Launches Polaris-Based Embedded Radeon E9560 & E9390 - https://sylnt.us - new-kit-on-the-block
[07:32:07] <FatPhil> inz: 2 easy matches next, so they should waltz through to the last 20. However, Finland does have a reputation for being able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
[07:33:08] <inz> Yeah, so close so many times; not this close though.
[07:33:47] <FatPhil> I just hope it doesn't go to the playoff stage as (a) I can't work the fucker out, it's been designed by some right mega-einsteins, and (b) from what I've gleaned - they'd face someone way better than them on paper.
[08:09:45] <chromas> cAre you guys sportsing?
[08:20:49] <inz> chromas, no, theretizing on the end of the world
[08:20:56] <inz> chromas, or hell freezing over
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[08:24:32] <Bytram_> =submit https://www.latimes.com
[08:24:34] <upstart> Submitting "Human guinea pigs prepare for the world's longest direct flight: 20 hours"...
[08:24:55] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Human Guinea Pigs Prepare for the World's Longest Direct Flight: 20 Hours" (25 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:27:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Google Avoids Serving Repeat Ads With Machine Learning - https://sylnt.us - ads-pay-the-bills
[08:30:49] <Bytram_> Legcramps--
[08:30:49] <Bender> karma - legcramps: -12
[08:31:09] <Bytram_> Back to bed
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[08:45:34] <chromas> Nocturnal submissions by Bytram
[09:58:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Instacart Shoppers are Organizing a Nationwide Protest - https://sylnt.us - pick-your-own-veggies
[11:13:10] <janrinok> chromas - that's better than Nocturnal emissions by Bytram
[11:26:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Blind People Have Increased Opportunities, but Employers' Perceptions are Still a Barrier - https://sylnt.us - I-see-what-they're-saying
[11:56:04] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:56:04] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4997
[11:56:57] <Bytram> =g OMD lyrics
[11:56:57] <upstart> https://www.azlyrics.com - Orchestral Manoeuvres In The Dark Lyrics
[12:04:37] <Bytram> time to get ready for work
[12:04:40] <Bytram> afk
[12:45:35] <janrinok> bye Bytram !
[12:57:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Fire Blankets Can Protect Buildings From Wildfires - https://sylnt.us - very-hot-topic
[13:45:23] <FatPhil> macular_degeneration--
[13:45:23] <Bender> karma - macular_degeneration: -1
[14:04:29] <FatPhil> does upstart do any processing on the stories that it uploads to SN?
[14:05:08] <FatPhil> I keep noticing a repeated mangling of the text that I have to fix, and it's always in the same kinds of situations, so seems programatic
[14:05:12] <janrinok> yes - what are your looking for
[14:06:35] <FatPhil> e.g. instacart story
[14:06:35] <janrinok> each of the submission bots (exec, arthur, upstart) process a story in some form or other. Often they strip out unwanted content, change relative links to full links, remove .js etc
[14:06:44] <FatPhil> source has: Then, in April 2018,<a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/24/instacart-now-suggests-5-tip-default/"> Instacart began suggesting a 5% default tip </a>and reduced its service fee
[14:06:45] <upstart> ^ 03Page not found – TechCrunch
[14:07:48] <FatPhil> upstart/SN has: Then, in April 2018,<a href="https://techcrunch.com/2018/04/24/instacart-now-suggests-5-tip-default/"> Instacart began suggesting a 5% default tip</a>and reduced its service
[14:07:48] <upstart> ^ 03Page not found – TechCrunch
[14:08:11] <FatPhil> specifically: "tip</a>and"
[14:08:53] <janrinok> This is chromas' bot - so anything that I say must be taken with a pinch of salt.
[14:09:25] <FatPhil> The looks like someone's done a s{\s*</a>}{</a>} working on the principal that whitespace has no semantic meaning
[14:09:36] <FatPhil> however, it's rather useful as a word break!
[14:09:39] <janrinok> It looks like it is stripping the space from the link, but not inserting a space before 'and'. The first action is wanted but the latter might be a bug
[14:09:56] <FatPhil> The blind story also had problems with its "As researchers who study" links too
[14:11:16] <FatPhil> chromas: s{(\s+)</a>}{</a>$1}g would be a fix, if that's what you're doing
[14:11:23] <janrinok> The bot is written in D - which is a language that chromas is learning at the moment. So, even if I had the source, I wouldn't be able to do much to help you at the moment. (I'm also looking at D but I am at a very early stage!)
[14:11:54] <FatPhil> I started learning D about 15 years ago, when I had finally decided that C++ should be nuked from orbit.
[14:12:36] <FatPhil> Then Alexander Andriescu jumped ship from C++ to D and shat all over D too.
[14:12:44] <janrinok> it has improved considerably over the last few years - most people only use version 2 now which has major improvements. Might be worth another look if you have time to spare
[14:13:23] <FatPhil> Indeed, fortunately he removed some of the shit he added, and I've *almost* forgiven him.
[14:13:38] <janrinok> I've not found a project that requires the 'extra speed' over anything that I am doing in Python, so I haven't really got into it too much
[14:13:59] <FatPhil> My "speedy" scripting language is LUA
[14:15:00] <FatPhil> Current big task I'm writing I'm writing both a perl and a LUA version in lockstep (they're back ends for a website, and the front end selects randomly whether it calls the LUA or perl, so I find out very quickly if they've diverged
[14:15:04] <janrinok> There are other benefits but for the moment I'm sticking with Python, particularly as I can use micropython for many of my smaller projects that are stuck in remote places and rely on wifi or bluetooth
[14:16:40] <FatPhil> If python would give up its utterly insane "invisible things have semantic meaning" misfeature I'd give it a second chance. Perl's an abomination, but python did nothing to convince me it was any better.
[14:16:51] <janrinok> is that project for your own benefit or for a paying customer - I can't imagine why anyone would want that for anything other than how you describe it
[14:17:17] <AndyTheAbsurd> Trying to write anything in a "fast" language is premature optimization, I think. Computers are already pretty fast at most things - so let them do their thing and then if your program *actually* needs to be faster, figure out where the bottlenecks are and optimize those.
[14:17:29] <FatPhil> entirely for my own benefit - I was basically learning LUA on the fly.
[14:17:29] <AndyTheAbsurd> And I agree 100% with FatPhil on Python/Perl.
[14:17:44] <janrinok> I assume you mean spaces - I don't even notice them nowadays, and they are less distracting than having { } all over the place
[14:17:46] <FatPhil> So I'd prototype in perl, and then convert to LUA
[14:18:06] <FatPhil> of course they're less distracting - they're *invisible*
[14:18:43] <janrinok> well, they also don't cause me any problems, so I am quite happy with them
[14:19:07] <FatPhil> python pushers will say anything to defend their sick religion.
[14:19:16] <janrinok> lol
[14:20:01] <AndyTheAbsurd> typical of any language evangelist, really. =P
[14:20:02] <FatPhil> 3 internet points to the person who can, without searching, identify the origin of that line.
[14:20:16] <janrinok> if people were/are consistent with the placement of { } and ; I would agree, but it is often more difficult to see the flow of a program if they are not used consistently. In python, you are naturally consistent otherwise you program will tell you
[14:20:36] <janrinok> I pass
[14:22:25] <janrinok> What do you particularly like about LUA?
[14:24:38] <FatPhil> David A Scott, a troll/loon on comp.lang.asm.x86 and comp.lang.c back in the 90s, who used to criticise C.
[14:24:46] <janrinok> ty
[14:25:05] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Drug Can Extend Survival Rates For Heart Failure Patients - https://sylnt.us - keep-on-beating
[14:25:21] <FatPhil> He was the pretty much the reason c.l.a.x became moderated, he was notorious.
[14:25:26] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, what do you program in whenever you have a choice?
[14:26:29] <FatPhil> I liked LUA as it was lightweight, and had a compiler. Everything I've done in both language has had LUA twice the speed of Perl.
[14:28:05] <janrinok> several microcomputers are using it nowadays
[14:28:18] <FatPhil> Alas, the compiler doesn't work for modern versions of the language, but it's fast enough to p-code on parsing that it's not an overhead.
[14:28:43] <FatPhil> anything that runs for more than a fraction of a second will be at the same speed interpreted or compiled.
[14:29:15] <FatPhil> yeah, the lightweightness was what I was after, I didn't need a richness of libraries.
[14:29:40] <janrinok> brb - nurse has arrived
[14:30:27] <FatPhil> most of the discussion on the LUA mailing list is people linking C to LUA anyway, it's very much an "extend it as you see fit" language if you need something not in the main libs.
[14:30:45] <FatPhil> and the police?
[14:30:54] <FatPhil> ooops, wrong chan
[14:31:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> janrinok: whatever makes sense for the project. Most frequently, though, I'll work in Java or Perl. But I've also worked in JavaScript, bash, Python, VB.net, C#, a few others.
[14:31:47] <FatPhil> that's great timing for such a mistake. we're waiting for a mail from the police telling us our ID cards are ready.
[14:41:03] <janrinok> of course you are ....
[14:42:27] <AndyTheAbsurd> Anyone particularly familiar with Drupal v7.x?
[14:43:25] <janrinok> I'm doing computing backwards I think, compared with most others I talk to here. I started on mainframes doing realtime programming for avionic equipments using ALGOL, CORAL, ADA etc I'm now trying to set up web servers and trying my hand at what most people consider to be the starting bits of computing!
[14:44:00] <janrinok> AndyTheAbsurd, not me, I'm no help
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[14:45:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> janrinok: We all take different paths. I started with a CS degree in the early 2000s then detoured through QA and financial institutions' big iron before landing on a mostly-back-end role in a place where all of IT was the wild west for decades.
[14:46:07] <AndyTheAbsurd> The result of that "wild west" period is that we don't support *a* stack, we support *all* the stacks.
[14:46:12] <janrinok> lol
[14:48:27] <janrinok> I flew aircraft in the 70's, programmed software for aircraft in the early 80's, flight tested software for the mid-80's and then only did it for a hobby for a decade or so while I did other work. Got back into it in the 90's but it has been a hobby only for the last 12 years.
[14:49:50] <janrinok> I'm not short of other distractions but I find the programming keeps my brain active - although most people might disagree with that belief
[14:51:38] <janrinok> afk - time to prepare our next meal
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[15:24:25] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://krebsonsecurity.com
[15:24:26] <upstart> Submitting "“BriansClub” Hack Rescues 26M Stolen Cards"...
[15:24:48] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "“BriansClub” Hack Rescues 26M Stolen Cards" (38 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:24:57] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://slate.com
[15:25:01] <upstart> Submitting "The Lines of Code That Changed Everything"...
[15:25:23] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "The Lines of Code That Changed Everything" (74 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:28:14] <FatPhil> 20 goto 10
[15:28:20] <FatPhil> that's the line that changed everything
[15:28:29] <SoyCow9088> lol
[15:28:33] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://www.newscientist.com
[15:28:33] <upstart> SoyCow9088, submit failed: No title.
[15:28:43] <SoyCow9088> #submit https://www.newscientist.com
[15:28:57] <SoyCow9088> ~arthur https://www.newscientist.com
[15:30:09] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://www.fastcompany.com
[15:30:12] <upstart> Submitting "Amazon Prime Video is confusing its customers with bait-and-switch tactics, survey shows"...
[15:30:21] <SoyCow9088> Is there a bot union strike that I missed?
[15:30:34] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Amazon Prime Video is Confusing its Customers With Bait-and-switch Tactics, Survey Shows" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:30:34] <SoyCow9088> and is upstart a scab?
[15:30:44] <FatPhil> I said "fuck da bots" yesterday, and they've been grumpy ever since.
[15:31:21] <FatPhil> upstart's particularly angry as I criticised his regexp just today.
[15:31:43] <SoyCow9088> :)
[15:31:47] <SoyCow9088> =submit https://arstechnica.com
[15:31:48] <upstart> Submitting "In 2019, multiple open source companies changed course"...
[15:31:59] <FatPhil> oooh, these look like some good subs - thanks!
[15:32:07] <SoyCow9088> upstart needs some metamucil to get back to being regular
[15:32:10] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "In 2019, Multiple Open Source Companies Changed Course" (27 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:32:15] <FatPhil> I keep missing the interesting stories as they air, alas
[15:32:31] <SoyCow9088> thanks!
[15:33:34] <FatPhil> the temptation is to go off and read them now, but I often like to read the articles after I've seen the discussion points, so that I have something I can dive into a little bit more deeply when I read it.
[15:34:22] <SoyCow9088> then I shall post no teasers other than the titles above!
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[16:00:33] <chopchop1> wow a 5 page summary
[17:25:28] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - New Evidence Supports Giant Asteroid Impact 12 800 Years Ago - https://sylnt.us
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[20:26:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Twitter Will Limit the Reach of Tweets by Certain Politicians Who Break its Rules - https://sylnt.us - let's-wait-and-see
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[21:07:59] <FatPhil> https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com
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[22:07:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - YouTube Gets Alleged Copyright Troll to Agree to Stop Trolling YouTubers - https://sylnt.us - this-is-not-trolling-this-is-extortion
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[23:42:00] <AndyTheAbsurd> #submit https://www.sciencealert.com
[23:42:01] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:42:26] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[23:56:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> Should I submit hackaday's article on systemd-homed?
[23:56:43] <AndyTheAbsurd> Might be good for starting a weekend flame war.
[23:57:22] <AndyTheAbsurd> (There was a post on it on September 22nd but I don't think I read it, so I'm not sure if it's as detailed as this one.)