#Soylent | Logs for 2019-10-14
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[00:47:10] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Raspberry Pi 4 PCI Express: It Actually Works! USB3, SATA… GPUs? - https://sylnt.us - perhaps-appearing-in-RPi-5?
[00:52:42] <Bytram> !quote "8008135"
[00:52:42] <Bender> No quotes found with the text '"8008135"'
[00:54:26] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Looks like !quote foo is processed as: if ($foo ~ /^[0-9]+$/) { look up quote # $foo} else {search db looking for a match on string $foo}
[01:01:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> i expected so, yeah
[01:19:05] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: You might take a look at #fite... When I did a #fite of you, I got the expected "big" hits, but then I tried a #fite chromas, and, well, take a look and see
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[02:02:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, it goes by your starting healths
[02:04:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> no idea why it's taking so long though
[02:04:09] <TheMightyBuzzard> #pissoff
[02:04:09] <MrPlow> Off I shall piss...
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[02:12:41] <Bytram> ~blame
[02:12:43] * exec points at Bytram
[03:16:37] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Jack Ma Says 12-Hour Work Week could be the Norm - https://sylnt.us - wages-vs-prices
[03:18:15] <Bytram> =g site:soylentnews.org reboot schedule
[03:18:16] <upstart> https://soylentnews.org - SoylentNews Comments | Soylentnews Server Reboot Schedule ...
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[03:38:25] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Weekend Story Spacing for Long Columbus Day Weekend; Server Reboot Reminder - https://sylnt.us
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[04:25:02] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://www.washingtonpost.com
[04:25:04] <upstart> Submitting "Fort Worth police officer fatally shoots woman in her home while checking on an open front door"...
[04:25:25] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Fort Worth Police Officer Fatally Shoots Woman in Her Home While Checking on an Open Front Door" (1 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[04:28:28] <CA> The Jack Ma story is gone. https://sylnt.us
[04:28:29] <upstart> ^ 03Error ( https://soylentnews.org )
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[04:37:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Weekend Story Spacing for Long Columbus Day Weekend; Server Reboot Reminder [Updated] - https://sylnt.us
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[04:44:48] <chromas> CA: it was rescheduled for later. Dunno why
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[05:14:54] <Koekepan> I have a topic for submission, if anyone's awake.
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[05:17:27] <chromas> If you don't want to use the submission form you can use a bot to do the work. Try =submit [link]
[05:17:41] <Koekepan> =submit https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov
[05:17:43] <upstart> Submitting "Bill Text - AB-44 Fur products: prohibition."...
[05:18:05] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Bill Text - AB-44 Fur Products: Prohibition." (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:20:19] <chromas> Fur prohibition? Why do people even still live there?
[05:20:42] <Koekepan> It's actually funny because of the exceptions.
[05:20:51] <chromas> Maybe they don't want people scalping the homless
[05:20:55] <chromas> homeless
[05:21:28] <Koekepan> It doesn't apply to dog or cat fur, fur intended to be turned into leather, cowhide, deerskin, sheepskin or goatskin, or anything preserved by taxidermy.
[05:22:16] <Koekepan> But horse? Hang 'em high. Because reasons.
[05:22:46] <chromas> What if I turn it into horse leather?
[05:22:54] <Koekepan> Oh, then you're golden.
[05:23:01] <Koekepan> Or taxidermied horse.
[05:23:48] <chromas> Augment the bones with wire and sell the horses as posable statues
[05:23:53] <Koekepan> Rabbit? You're in big trouble, mister! ... unless you're stuffing it and turning it into a jackalope.
[05:25:55] <chromas> Does donating the guts to schools for biology class count? I've got a pile o' bunnies waiting to become a nice scarf but I want it all legal like
[05:25:55] <Koekepan> But you can coat yourself head to toe in kittycat, and go nuts.
[05:26:03] <Koekepan> Nope.
[05:26:19] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://elpais.com
[05:26:21] <upstart> Submitting "'Flygskam' y 'tagskyrt', los movimientos suecos que sacan los colores a las aerolíneas"...( 1 modified urls; https://elpais.com )
[05:26:21] <Koekepan> As per the law, the problem is owning it, and not either stuffing it or shaving it.
[05:26:43] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "'Flygskam' Y 'tagskyrt', Los Movimientos Suecos Que Sacan Los Colores a Las aerolíneas" (5 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[05:28:53] <chromas> Someone needs to create a furry pumpkin, and sell 'em in CA for halloween
[05:29:03] <Koekepan> But yeah, there's absolutely nothing in that law that prevents someone from getting all dolled up in Snoopy, Fido and Marmaduke.
[05:29:18] <Koekepan> Yeah, and Pongo for the pumpkin. A white pumpkin with black spots.
[05:32:59] <Koekepan> Anyway. Happy Columbus Day weekend to all. Or sad, if that's what you're into. Peace.
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[05:36:50] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - A New Hardware Implant Shows How Easy It May be to Hide Malicious Chips - https://sylnt.us - a-little-something-extra
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[06:51:12] <Runaway1956_> =submit https://www.nbcnews.com
[06:51:16] <upstart> Submitting "California law bans for-profit, private prisons, immigration detention centers"...
[06:51:38] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "California Law Bans For-profit, Private Prisons, Immigration Detention Centers" (16 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[06:51:58] <chromas> I can get on board with banning private prisons, but come on! Muh furs!
[06:52:29] <AzumaHazuki> private prisons are an abomination. the textbook exaple of a perverse incentive
[06:52:55] <Runaway1956_> Damn, 'Zumi, there's something we agree on!
[06:53:35] <Runaway1956_> Now, can we agree that kittens and puppies are good to eat?
[06:54:32] <chromas> What kind of puppies?
[06:55:02] <Runaway1956_> seal pups, collie pups, almost any kind of pup
[06:58:35] <chromas> not the chihuahuas though. old ladies need to keep them around because they vibrate
[06:59:55] <Runaway1956_> I don't believe that a chihuahua is really a dog
[07:03:05] <chromas> This is what hate speech looks like
[07:05:18] <Runaway1956_> Huh? I like noisy little monsters! I don't even hate children!
[07:41:59] <janrinok> chromas, no, no - this is eat speech
[07:43:01] <chromas> mmm, tasties
[07:44:06] <chromas> oh hey, janrinok. I added a checkmark on my subs script page to make the reskey optional. what happens if you try to sub or preview something without the key?
[07:44:38] <janrinok> I tied it yesterday(?) - it didn't do as you had hoped.
[07:44:50] <chromas> :'(
[07:45:46] <janrinok> I cannot think why not - I would have thought that the reskey was requested by me, but perhaps it is linked to your IP as it is your machine that is doing the requesting? I haven't looked closely at your code so I can't help much more
[07:45:48] <chromas> I wonder if it's a browser security policy or if it's rehash
[07:46:35] <janrinok> is the request made by the web page on my browser on in the php file running on your machine?
[07:46:53] <chromas> The reskey request is done on my machine
[07:47:08] <chromas> but when you go to preview or submit to sn, it's submitting the form directly to sn
[07:47:18] <janrinok> so, as long as the submission is also done from your machine it should work
[07:47:28] <janrinok> there's the problem then!
[07:47:29] <chromas> Might be a security thing to disallow submitting a form from another site
[07:47:43] <janrinok> exactly - to prevent flooding
[07:48:07] <janrinok> otherwise somebody could submit thousands of subs using anybody else's IP
[07:48:33] <janrinok> go to the other channel
[08:06:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - HOWTO Make Linux Run Blazing Fast (Again) on Intel CPUs - https://sylnt.us - pedal-to-the-metal
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[10:25:26] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - 50 Years After Internet Conception, Dark Side Stirs Fear - https://sylnt.us - if-there-is-too-much-shouting-on-the-internet,-REMOVE-THE-CAPS-LOCK-KEY
[10:39:09] <Runaway1956_> https://internet-map.net
[10:39:10] <upstart> ^ 03The Internet map
[10:40:07] <Runaway1956_> Kinda cool - interactive map lets you find stuff - map looks like a galaxy or something, hover over a dot on the map, you get a site name that you can put into your browser
[10:40:27] <Runaway1956_> hasn't been updated for 8 years, but it still works
[10:43:57] <Runaway1956_> and here's a map for themightybuzzard - https://thepornmap.com
[10:43:59] <upstart> ^ 03To help you find the best porn sites! - The Porn Map
[11:14:29] <Runaway1956_> http://endoftheinternet.com
[11:14:30] <upstart> ^ 03The End of the Internet
[11:36:17] <FatPhil> Guess what happens when you stare into an 9W LED (~30 LEDs), for science.
[11:44:10] <FatPhil> ah, finally my fovea returns...
[11:44:34] <AndyTheAbsurd> I suspect that it depends heavily on what the output frequency is...
[11:55:55] <FatPhil> visible. very visible.
[11:56:20] <FatPhil> trying to work out why they keep failing. I suspect it'sbecause they're cheap chinese shit.
[11:56:43] <FatPhil> 5000 hours? I get about 200.
[11:57:34] <FatPhil> However, it could be the supply, I think the electrician who renovated the flat had no skills for the job.
[11:58:30] <FatPhil> all types of bulb blow, filament, including branded halogen ones, and LED. I think we even tried CF.
[12:01:15] <AndyTheAbsurd> I should have said "wavelength" rather than "frequency" (though of course they're related). 610nm red LEDs are going to have a different effect than 450nm blue LEDs.
[12:02:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> But yeah, your descriptions sounds like crappy power into the device/panel/whatever.
[12:43:26] <FatPhil> we've even gone back to cheap (and now illegal, thanks EU!) heat globes costing only cents rather than "high efficiency" LEDs that cost 10 times as much, as they both have the same life (and we need heating 60% of the year, so waste is efficiency!)
[12:45:13] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - GitHub will Keep Selling Software to ICE, Leaked Email Says - https://sylnt.us - taking-their-ball-and-leaving
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[17:01:43] * Teckla loves his LED bulbs, because he's lazy, and almost never needs to replace them.
[17:02:01] <Teckla> Must have gotten lucky and purchased reliable ones.
[17:04:39] <AndyTheAbsurd> or you just don't have power that sucks
[17:05:58] <AndyTheAbsurd> I have one light fixture that I'm convinced hasn't destroyed more LED bulbs because it's got a dimmer switch, so I installed dimmer-compatible LEDs in it.
[17:06:09] <Teckla> AndyTheAbsurd: Good point.
[17:06:44] <AndyTheAbsurd> Power to it SUCKS and it flickers a little whenever something else in the house is on (which is always) and flickers a LOT if the A/C is running (and I live in Florida so the A/C runs frequently).
[17:07:35] <Teckla> We get flicked when high draw appliances start too. Old wiring, probably.
[17:07:45] <Teckla> flicker*
[17:15:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> meh, the light off them sucks complete ass. very hard to read by.
[17:16:42] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: What kinds of problems do you have with LED lighting for reading?
[17:17:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> printed text on paper. the room could look plenty bright but it's much, much easier to read under CFLs or incandescents.
[17:18:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> think ima find similar color temp cfls and put one in each fixture so's i get the best of both worlds.
[17:19:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> if that fails or cfls get too hard to find, ima put an incandescent in instead and buy an enormous box of them.
[17:21:08] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: I purposefully bought "warm" temp LEDs, and "40w equivalents" rather than 60. For some reason, my eyes like that combination best.
[17:21:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> i think it's the directionality of LED lighting that does it. doesn't bounce/scatter right.
[17:22:57] <Teckla> Ah, could be. Almost all of mine are behind lamp shades, which I bet scatters the light for me.
[17:24:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've always been a 100w fan. i like really being able to see, especially as the warranty on my eyes runs out.
[17:24:23] <Teckla> I definitely prefer it when LEDs are behind some kind of shade or cover, otherwise they seem really obnoxious.
[17:24:53] * Teckla 's eyes are terrible. :(
[17:25:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Brydge Sues Kickstarter for Selling iPad Keyboard It Claims is a Clone - https://sylnt.us - interesting-approach
[17:25:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> still not sure what we're doing for the library in the remodeled church. vaulted ceiling and we don't want to need a ladder to change bulbs. sconces are a given but i'm thinking bouncing some fluorescents off the white ceiling as well. maybe cover it with white grip tape for maximum scattering.
[17:26:22] <Teckla> I should mention that I generally have a bunch of 40w equivalents on at the same time. I like the room bright too.
[17:26:31] * TheMightyBuzzard nods
[17:27:01] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Are you religious? If you don't mind saying.
[17:27:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> i subscribe to the "fuck if i know" denomination.
[17:27:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> remodeling it into a house
[17:28:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> although, i do have a soft spot for christianity, what with so many disciples being fishermen.
[17:28:58] <Teckla> TheMightyBuzzard: Fair enough. :)
[17:29:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> small church + a shitload of work and money = enormous, badass house
[17:29:55] * Teckla is the same, and becomes a bit exhausted of everyone else being so damn sure (Christians, atheists, etc.)
[17:30:04] <Teckla> Heh.
[17:30:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> like 4800 ft^2, not counting the 2400 ft^2 decked attic that'll be going in.
[17:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> well, more like 2200. library is keeping the vaulted ceiling.
[17:32:14] * TheMightyBuzzard remaths that
[17:32:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> more like 250 loss for the library
[17:33:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> but that lets us run the book shelves up the full 25-30 feet to the ceiling.
[17:34:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> or just put cool shit up on the walls above the shelves if we don't want to have to climb
[17:34:26] <AndyTheAbsurd> Sounds like you're gonna go through Hell to assemble your Heaven.
[17:35:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah. be livable here before february but getting the upstairs (ground floor) all finished will take at least another year.
[17:36:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> mostly because we want fun things like half hardwood half sheetrock walls with a chair rail in most rooms upstairs and the entire library in hardwood.
[17:39:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> both expensive and time consuming but we got the place for like $30K.
[17:44:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, time for me to do battle with consciousness again. i predict a swift victory for at least a couple hours.
[17:44:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> naps++
[17:44:08] <Bender> karma - naps: 102
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[19:38:21] <Sulla> Any of you have experience with rejecting charges from purchases. Have you had better luck with paypal or credit card companies?
[19:46:38] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Stratolaunch, Which Built the World’s Largest Plane, is Changing Ownership - https://sylnt.us - winging-it
[20:03:22] <FatPhil> Sulla - you've got legal support with credit card companies, but basically bubkis from paypal, they're not financially regulated in the same way.
[20:04:35] <FatPhil> Also, don't let Visa charge you *anything*, they will imply that you have to pay the first $50, but you do not have to.
[20:05:25] <Sulla> Interesting
[20:06:04] <Sulla> Ended up just doing a journal about it before your response. But I'll be doing a credit card for any non-straightforward transactions in the future
[20:06:22] <Sulla> I just like the paypal 6 months 0 interest for ease in buying stuff for my kitchen online
[20:06:32] <FatPhil> on the assumption that the charge is absolutely nothing to do with you
[20:07:03] <Sulla> This is one where I bought something for my wife without doing my due diligence
[20:07:12] <Sulla> then realized it was stupid and cancelled, then the fun began
[20:07:13] <FatPhil> so why are you planning on "rejecting charges"
[20:07:32] <FatPhil> oh, that might be a different case regarding credit cards
[20:07:44] <Sulla> I cancelled an order, they refunded a portion, then said their side of the transaction was complete
[20:08:15] <FatPhil> Ooooh, OK, you'll need expert local advice, not some rando on the internet
[20:08:38] <FatPhil> You'll need to hunt out the smallprint.
[20:08:43] <Sulla> I got the whole thing resolved, just wondering peoples experiences in determining future options for making purchases
[20:09:36] <FatPhil> If the credit card worked out in the end OK, then even though there was hassle, I'd still say that was a +1 for credit cards.
[20:09:58] <Sulla> Paypal worked out for me, but was a butt getting it to do so
[20:10:04] <Sulla> spent like 3 hours just getting to a person
[20:10:44] <Sulla> Chinese companies found out that with paypal if they operate their finance/money separte from operations/"cust service" there is no proof for the customer tying the payment to the sale
[20:10:51] <FatPhil> I'm a raving anti-paypaller. (they act as if they were a bank but have none of the regulatory responsibilities.)
[20:10:53] <Sulla> so they get auto resolved in the vendors favor
[20:11:46] <Sulla> Finally got to a real person after all them hours and they set up the complaint in a way that would work out, it forced the company to prove they shipped the items, which they could not
[20:12:33] <Sulla> Evidently billing issues auto-resolve require proof from customer, and shipping issues require proof from vendor
[20:12:51] <Sulla> Ive only had to to it twice, and was much easier with visa
[20:13:25] <Sulla> with visa it told them "hey that 10 bucks was for something they never sent, when i complainted they never responded" and was resolved same day in my favor
[20:13:32] <Sulla> i blame robuts
[20:13:40] <Sulla> or robits
[20:13:45] <FatPhil> touch wood - never had such a complaint.
[20:13:51] <Sulla> no offence intended to our robit overlords
[20:21:26] <Sulla> But in general agree. The private non-finance company operating as a finance company is BS that lead to the crash in the 200s
[20:21:30] <Sulla> 2000s*
[20:27:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> #yt code monkey jonathan coulton
[20:27:42] <MrPlow> https://www.youtube.com
[20:52:33] * TheMightyBuzzard yawns
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[22:32:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, give MrPlow a test against chromas when you get a chance if you would
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