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[01:16:35] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Enlist Tiny Biomagnets For Faster Drug Discovery - https://sylnt.us - will-I-always-point-North?
[01:16:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, yeah, slept in till six. so four hours or so.
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[01:56:08] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Scientists Enlist Tiny Biomagnets for Faster Drug Discovery - https://sylnt.us - will-I-always-point-North?
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[02:44:14] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.wdam.com
[02:44:15] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[02:44:40] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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[02:48:24] <SoyCow1337> =submit If it sounds to good to be true... https://techcrunch.com
[02:48:26] <upstart> Submitting "Kickstarter darling EcoFlow Delta battery generator is not what it seems – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; http://social.techcrunch.com )
[02:48:48] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Kickstarter Darling EcoFlow Delta Battery Generator is Not What It Seems – TechCrunch" (28 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:48:53] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[02:48:54] <upstart> Submitting "Meet the makers of modular – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; http://social.techcrunch.com )
[02:49:17] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Meet the Makers of Modular – TechCrunch" (136 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[02:51:20] <chromas> Kickstarter darling $anything is not what it seems
[02:52:05] <chromas> Solar freakin' thorium plastic roadways now with Fontus
[02:56:04] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://thenextweb.com
[02:56:05] <upstart> Submitting "Ethereum ‘ICO architect’ arrested over alleged $12M cryptocurrency extortion"...
[02:56:15] <SoyCow1337> lol so true chromas
[02:56:27] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Ethereum ‘ICO Architect’ Arrested Over Alleged $12M Cryptocurrency Extortion" (19 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:09:23] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[03:09:25] <upstart> Submitting "Police raid "bulletproof" hosting company run out of former NATO bunker"...
[03:09:47] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Police Raid "bulletproof" Hosting Company Run Out of Former NATO Bunker" (7 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:09:58] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[03:10:00] <upstart> Submitting "More and more countries are mounting disinformation campaigns online"...
[03:10:22] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "More and More Countries are Mounting Disinformation Campaigns Online" (48 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[03:18:33] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.theverge.com
[03:18:35] <upstart> Submitting "Logitech is buying Streamlabs for $89 million"...
[03:18:57] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Logitech is Buying Streamlabs for $89 Million" (6 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:38:04] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.techradar.com
[03:38:07] <upstart> Submitting "Are fitness trackers the future of healthcare?"...
[03:38:29] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Are Fitness Trackers the Future of Healthcare?" (30 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:47:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Chinese Radio Telescope Hopes To Find Exoplanets "FAST" - https://sylnt.us - deep-dish
[03:52:58] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[03:53:00] <upstart> Submitting "Autoblow AI is a sex toy that promises ‘surprise’"...
[03:53:22] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Autoblow AI is a Sex Toy That Promises ‘surprise’" (19 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:53:55] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[03:53:56] <upstart> Submitting "Google faces scrutiny from Congress, DOJ over plans to encrypt DNS"...
[03:54:18] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Google Faces Scrutiny From Congress, DOJ Over Plans to Encrypt DNS" (4 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:54:45] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[03:54:47] <upstart> Submitting "Court says Tesla and Musk's tweet violated labor laws"...
[03:55:09] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Court Says Tesla and Musk's Tweet Violated Labor Laws" (4 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:56:02] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[03:56:04] <upstart> Submitting "Second SIM card attack can send texts and phone location data"...
[03:56:26] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Second SIM Card Attack Can Send Texts and Phone Location Data" (4 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[03:58:02] <SoyCow1337> =submit https://www.engadget.com
[03:58:04] <upstart> Submitting "State Department revives investigation of Clinton's private emails"...
[03:58:26] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "State Department Revives Investigation of Clinton's Private Emails" (4 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[04:47:23] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.aljazeera.com
[04:47:24] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:47:49] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[04:57:55] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[04:57:56] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[04:58:21] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[06:06:11] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why Much of the Internet is Closed Off to Blind People - https://sylnt.us - too-many-don't-see-the-problem
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[07:20:09] <FatPhil> https://blog.xkcd.com
[07:20:10] <upstart> ^ 03Serena Versus the Drones
[08:22:24] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.thisiscolossal.com
[08:22:25] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[08:22:50] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[08:26:56] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Microplastics In The Great Lakes Are Becoming Benthic - https://sylnt.us - we-didn't-think-this-through
[09:02:13] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.newscientist.com
[09:02:13] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[09:02:39] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[09:05:01] <Runaway1956> At first glance, Scott Miller is a spammer . . . amd second glance, and third - - - https://soylentnews.org
[09:05:02] <upstart> ^ 03Boutique Films and Photography Is the Preferred Wedding Photographer: SoylentNews Submission
[09:07:38] <chromas> weird that he put a name in there
[09:08:55] <chromas> https://soylentnews.org
[09:08:55] <upstart> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[09:09:23] <chromas> Runaway1956++ #thanks for the notice
[09:09:23] <Bender> karma - runaway1956: 16
[09:10:49] <chromas> I should reject it with the comment "fake and gay" but I'll leave it for an adult
[09:13:06] <FatPhil> a real adult, or would a fake and gay adult do?
[09:21:33] <chromas> depends; how many Xs are we talking?
[09:27:55] <Runaway1956> https://pirati.ca
[09:52:58] <chromas> qt-- #can't rotate text anymore
[09:52:58] <Bender> karma - qt: 12
[09:57:07] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Higgs Troika May Explain Baryon Asymmetry Problem - https://sylnt.us - Higgsldy-Piggsldy-my-dark-boson,-she-makes-matter-for-everyone
[10:00:31] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.nytimes.com
[10:00:31] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[11:15:00] <FatPhil> https://www.bbc.co.uk
[11:15:02] <upstart> ^ 03Asics apologises for porn playing on shop screens
[11:26:42] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ultrasound Can “See” When Tumor Cells Turn Genes On And Off - https://sylnt.us - sound-and-vision
[12:07:12] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Curious Case of the Missing Journal Entry - https://sylnt.us - WallOfText++
[12:17:20] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - SpaceX Provides Update on Starship with Assembled Prototype as the Backdrop - https://sylnt.us - about-twice-the-thrust-of-a-Saturn-V
[12:22:11] <Bytram> coffee++
[12:22:12] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4979
[12:31:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[12:31:17] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4980
[12:31:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[12:31:22] * exec skeptically internalizes a Superbowl of gas in Bytram
[12:31:31] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[12:31:33] * exec disturbingly deletes a keg of anger from TheMightyBuzzard
[12:32:03] <Bytram> You get calm and I gets the farts? :P
[12:32:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> tie then
[12:32:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> farts are funny
[12:42:51] <Bytram> How are your sinuses this morning? Feeling any better?
[12:43:20] * TheMightyBuzzard shurgs
[12:43:24] <TheMightyBuzzard> passable
[12:43:40] <Bytram> Well, it's gotta clear up one of these days! Hang in there!
[12:43:44] <Bytram> allergies--
[12:43:44] <Bender> karma - allergies: -45
[12:43:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> winter is coming
[12:44:01] <Bytram> that always helps for me, too.
[12:44:13] <Bytram> quick question, if I may wrt Site Vars?
[12:44:55] <Bytram> if I change the value of a site var, when does it take effect? Immediately? Do I have to bounce the front ends? Something else?
[12:49:45] <Bytram> specifically: approvedtags_attr_admin and approvedtags_attr
[12:53:33] <Bytram> what I am *trying* to do is to handle <ecode> content </ecode> where the content "word" wraps on narrow screens.
[12:54:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> depends on the var. generally after you bounce both web frontends
[12:54:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> ecode is not supposed to word wrap though
[12:54:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> like, specifically not supposed to
[12:55:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> wrapping would make any code inside it no work
[12:55:36] <Bytram> let's take this to #dev so I can find this in the future, if need be?
[13:17:34] * Teckla decides to detox on caffeine this week... misery...
[13:21:33] <Runaway1956> Hey - something odd - martyb sub about the missing journal entry keeps jumping to the top of the queue instead of moving to the front page
[13:22:48] <Runaway1956> I think I'll go look busy before the wife gets home, LOL
[13:32:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> Runaway1956, that'd be because he's still monkeying with it
[13:33:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> formatting issues
[13:45:55] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Ethereum ‘ICO Architect’ Arrested Over Alleged $12M Cryptocurrency Extortion - https://sylnt.us - It-would-be-a-shame-if-something-happened-to-your-ICO
[14:04:07] <Bytram> any CSS help would be appreciated on this one:
[14:04:11] <Bytram> I've got:
[14:04:59] <Bytram> <blockquote><div><p><tt> 'text' ...
[14:05:28] <Bytram> I want to add a horizontal scroll bar to the *DIV*
[14:05:40] <Bytram> i.e. adding:
[14:06:05] <Bytram> overflow-x: auto;
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[14:06:25] <Bytram> white-space: nowrap;
[14:07:35] <Bytram> what I have now, seems to apply the formatting in such a way that the entire document gets a scroll bar if the text is wider than the (/me waves hands) "display width"
[14:07:43] <Bytram> xuser: howdy!
[14:10:04] <Bytram> I guess what I am asking is: Is there a way to apply a style to an element, but only if it has a specific child and grandchild?
[14:17:08] <Bytram> I guess what I am asking is: Is there a way to apply a style to an element, but only if it has a specific child and grandchild?
[14:17:14] <Bytram> oops!
[14:37:33] <Runaway1956> Ahhhhh, the monkey in the works . . .
[14:38:46] <Runaway1956> Well, I'll go monkey with some more holes in the trailer
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[14:45:58] <FatPhil> Bytram: elements can't look within themselves, or past themselves, only at themselves, their prior siblings, and their parents.
[14:46:34] <Bytram> whew!
[14:47:21] <Bytram> that's kinda what I thought, but those folks have been busy since I last really dove into css, so wanted to make sure I was not missing something.
[14:47:36] <Bytram> Thanks SO MUCH for the confirmation!
[14:47:39] <Bytram> teamwork++
[14:47:39] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 47
[14:47:43] <Bytram> =)
[15:08:38] <FatPhil> the most annoying thing is that table data cells can't be given anything apart from the simplest of stylings by using a style on the column they are part of, because they're not children or siblings of the columns.
[15:09:09] <FatPhil> despite the fact that that would be the single most useful thing for a column to provide.
[15:39:28] <FatPhil> did this get subbed at all? https://www.newsweek.com
[15:39:30] <upstart> ^ 03Plan to Crush Native Mosquito Population With Gene-Edited Strain Fails
[15:42:22] <chromas> I didn't see it
[15:43:04] <Runaway1956> #submit https://www.swissinfo.ch
[15:43:06] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[15:43:32] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
[15:44:43] <FatPhil> #submit https://www.newsweek.com
[15:44:44] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[15:47:56] <Bytram> Runaway1956: try using the Upstart bot, instead: =submit
[15:48:04] <Bytram> gtg
[15:48:10] <Bytram> have a great day everyone!
[15:49:45] <Runaway1956> =submit https://fivethirtyeight.com
[15:49:46] <upstart> Submitting "How A Big Enough News Story — Like Impeachment — Could Warp The Polls"...
[15:50:08] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "How A Big Enough News Story — Like Impeachment — Could Warp The Polls" (0 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[15:50:57] <Runaway1956> I'll try to remember =submit
[15:56:35] <FatPhil> Runaway1956: just try any random character that's not a letter or number!
[15:56:49] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.newsweek.com
[15:56:51] <upstart> Submitting "Plan to Crush Native Mosquito Population With Gene-Edited Strain Fails"...
[15:57:13] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Plan to Crush Native Mosquito Population With Gene-Edited Strain Fails" (12 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
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[16:07:41] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Second SIM Card Attack Can Send Texts and Phone Location Data - https://sylnt.us - never-had-these-problems-with-POTS
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[18:27:22] <Sulla> martyb++
[18:27:22] <Bender> karma - martyb: 17
[18:27:34] <Sulla> bytram++
[18:27:35] <Bender> karma - bytram: 130
[18:27:43] <Sulla> good meta article
[18:30:18] <Bytram> Sulla: Thank you! I *may* have missed something, but I hope that it conveys to the community that integrity of the site *is* important, and that accusations are taken seriously. Now, please, wait about 3 centuries before making another allegation! =)
[18:31:45] <Sulla> I can't think of an allegation I won't claim to care about for fun
[18:32:25] <Sulla> Was going to make another 100+ donation but getting wrecked on home repair costs
[18:32:45] <janrinok> it's the thought that counts!
[18:33:00] <janrinok> get the house fixed first
[18:33:27] <Sulla> The two beams holding up my subfloor in the kitchen are so rotted you can poke your finger through them
[18:33:54] <janrinok> not a good sign - dry rot or damp?
[18:34:58] <Sulla> but to get to them i have to cut open subfloor, which means removing the cabinets. So wife decided she wants me to build brand new cabinets, wanted all "new" appliances. Gotten all the appliances (dishwasher, oven, stove, sink, fridge, microwave) all less than a year old for <1k total. Working on river table for island, had to take out a 10 foot section of wall between house and garage because it
[18:35:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, chromas got his peanut butter in my chocolate
[18:35:04] <Sulla> wasnt' supported, and another wall because the wife wanted
[18:35:05] * TheMightyBuzzard accuses
[18:35:15] <Sulla> house was grandpatrents
[18:35:23] <Sulla> drip leak for 30 years
[18:35:38] <Sulla> Leak has since been fixed so it should all be dry down there
[18:35:59] <Sulla> No basement and only a 2.5ft crawlspace, so have to cut open floor to get to it
[18:36:25] <janrinok> every job you do you seem to find at least one more. I've been in my place for 13 years now and there are still some minor jobs outstanding
[18:36:45] <Sulla> I find it fun, but exhausting
[18:37:23] <Sulla> I had to do the same thing in the bathroom, combined a full bath and a half bath into one large one. Contractor quote was 15k and I did it for 2k
[18:37:29] <janrinok> you will enjoy it all the more when you finish, as long as you are not over-critical of your own work
[18:37:40] <Sulla> Full kitchen remodel was quoted at 25k, it will take me ~5k
[18:38:05] <janrinok> congratulations - it is not easy but very rewarding
[18:38:08] <Sulla> Yeah
[18:38:30] <Sulla> Its been in the family for a while so its worth it
[18:38:53] <janrinok> define 'for a while'
[18:39:00] <Sulla> Then i get to work on building a new garage and a second story on it to connect to the house. Need room for another kid
[18:39:05] <Sulla> only since 59
[18:39:18] <Sulla> but it was constructed for my grandfathres non-sensical desires
[18:39:27] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: If chromas got his peanut butter in your chocolate, that's not *my* problem. =)
[18:39:48] <janrinok> 60 years isn't bad - you can have quite an emotional connection after 60 years
[18:41:08] <Sulla> Been having fun building cribs with the unused wood to gift on craiglist to those who need them
[18:41:22] <janrinok> that's a nice touch
[18:41:23] <Bytram> tell me about it! When my dad passed away, we ending up selling the old place. They'd been there 50+ years. No matter what happened in my life, there was always *there* I could return to. It was a bit rough adapting to it no longer being in the family.
[18:41:45] <Sulla> Yeah
[18:42:06] <Sulla> When my grandma was gettin gto the point where she couln't maintain it, alzheimers and all that, wife and i dropped everything to go take care of her
[18:42:24] <Bytram> good man
[18:42:25] <Sulla> Wasn't expecting any deal on the house for doing it, jsut was the right thing so she didn't have to go ot a home
[18:42:33] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:42:39] <Sulla> 4/5 family memebers ended up cutting is an amazing deal on the place
[18:42:48] <Sulla> So they all had a place to return to
[18:42:59] <janrinok> I don't get back to the UK often, but when I do I still drive past the house I grew up in and where my parents lived until they died
[18:43:38] <Sulla> Thtas always great, i grew up like four houses down, where my parents still live. My dad in particular would not have been able to handle the house being owned by someone else
[18:44:31] <Sulla> have a sweet sequoia in the yard that my grandfather planted the month they bought the place
[18:44:38] <janrinok> lots of very pleasant memories
[18:44:47] * Bytram notes that Pale Moon has suffered all kinds of abuse over the past 11 days while I was writing the investigation, reviewing and posting stories, and messing around with all manner of plugin/addon. Even after closing about 45 tabs and using about:memory and invoking garbage collection still shows it using 1.3 GB of Private Memory.
[18:45:05] <Sulla> Been lying to my kids that "the family line is strong as long as the trees live"
[18:45:12] <Bytram> Sequoia? Nice!
[18:45:42] <FatPhil> my parents moved from somewhere well-located to somewhere terribly-located when they started getting old. Not sure either my sister or I will have any interest in keeping it after dad dies.
[18:45:59] * Bytram regrets spending several months in San Jose (off and on) on business, and never heading up to see the BIG trees.
[18:46:08] <Sulla> lame
[18:46:32] <janrinok> FP - was it nearer to family or just a case of downsizing?
[18:47:14] <FatPhil> It's a little retirement village just outside london, I kinda find it depressing. It has local shops and doctors, and woodland walks, but not much else.
[18:48:04] <FatPhil> our family kinda spread out so we're not that well connected, all dotted around the Hertfordshire and nearby area (apart from me).
[18:48:44] <janrinok> are they happy there? It sounds like at least they have other people to meet and socialise with and some quality of life together
[18:49:25] <FatPhil> it was a downsizing too, and my dad spotted that the new place was an absolute bargain, and thought it was an OK time to move as my mum was getting frail.
[18:50:13] <FatPhil> my mum always used to complain that the previous place was better no matter where she was, so it's hard to judge how she really felt about any one place.
[18:50:23] <FatPhil> dadn
[18:50:25] <janrinok> I can understand their decision process then even if it is a place that you yourself cannot become attached to
[18:51:04] <FatPhil> dad's now started a little bridge club in the village, and is still active with the local church, so he seems quite happy there.
[18:51:19] <Bytram> prolly had a good chunk of equity in the old place, so having cash on hand, rather in equity might have been a factor, too.
[18:51:59] <janrinok> As we told our parents we'd rather that they enjoyed spending it while they were alive than leaving it to us when they died.
[18:52:12] <FatPhil> i think the new place was more expensive than the old place!
[18:52:33] <janrinok> lol - a plan not quite coming together then
[18:52:40] <FatPhil> he was sure that it would go up in value, because of demographic shifts
[18:53:13] <janrinok> keep your fingers crossed - it might
[18:53:15] <FatPhil> I think the evaluation for mum's will placed it at about 40% more than he paid for it.
[18:53:40] <Bytram> Really? Huh. Lower maintenance might have been a factor? I know that as my car gets older and older, I see the accumulation of little things here and there and starting getting the desire to get a new-to-me car that is in better shape (new cars just cost too much!)
[18:54:28] <FatPhil> downstairs bathroom and spare room which could be converted to a bedroom for a non-stair-climber was a feature.
[18:55:06] <FatPhil> however, he replaced the staircase with an extra-wide one so a stair-lift would fit more easily before he moved in.
[18:55:40] <FatPhil> everyone from the village who visited asked him how he got one like that, they were very jealous.
[18:55:44] * Bytram hopes he does not get much older as he has two floors below him, and no elevator, only stairs.
[18:55:57] <Bytram> sounds like he was one for thinking ahead!
[18:56:23] <FatPhil> his business was houses
[18:56:34] <FatPhil> the
[18:56:50] <Bytram> that 'splains it!
[18:57:32] <FatPhil> the "nice" flat here is an attic, but we'll not stay here forever, we've kept the first flat we bought as an office, and that's on the ground floor.
[18:58:26] <Sulla> Avoiding stairs can be a very good idea as one gets old
[18:59:27] <FatPhil> that's not as cozy as we'd like, but we have damp/wall issues, and hopefully within a decade of those being fixed on the outside, we'll be good. (metre thick limestone walls)
[19:00:33] <FatPhil> outer wall will be fixed in 2021, a couple of years later we'll re-do the internals.
[19:01:08] <FatPhil> don't like the fact that the housing association is going so deeply into debt, but work needs to be done, so it needs to be paid for.
[19:04:32] <Sulla> housing association?
[19:05:32] <janrinok> got to go guys - see you next time
[19:09:22] <FatPhil> Sulla: like a condominium in US-speak, I think. We all own a share of the housing association that manages all maintainance on the building, and pay into it every month.
[19:09:55] <Sulla> Owning appartments - ugh
[19:10:06] <FatPhil> paying rent - ugh!
[19:10:32] <Sulla> Neighborhoods do this stuff where they demand people pay into a homeowner association like 1-200/month so they can harrass you about what you can and can't have in your yard
[19:10:39] <Sulla> better dead than red
[19:11:09] <FatPhil> I think penn & teller did a Bullshit episode on lawns.
[19:12:19] <FatPhil> Have you ever noticed that when a European mentions something they like, an american will dive in with an example of how the US is absolutely unable to implement that same thing in any sane way at all. (universal healthcare, free education, ...)
[19:12:39] <FatPhil> The only common feature with all these bad implementations is the USA.
[19:13:26] <Sulla> Yeah. Most conservatives don't consider the possibility of cutting social security, medicare, or military funding, even when parts can be replaced by european models
[19:13:34] <FatPhil> are your homeowner associations democratically run?
[19:13:53] <Sulla> The ones I have expereince with start that way
[19:14:14] <Sulla> then just like every other system without checks and balances a couple of the more noisy folks gain power
[19:14:25] <FatPhil> yeah, you can't even implement democracy correctly either (*cough* electoral college *cough*)
[19:14:34] <Sulla> then they strong arm the existing people and be a general dick until the people who liek stuff move away
[19:14:55] <Sulla> Well, thats because we didn't want democracy
[19:15:05] <FatPhil> it sounds almost like a mafia!
[19:15:13] <Sulla> The only thing democratic was supposed to be congress and the senate
[19:15:21] <Sulla> then "smart people" were supposed to pick the president
[19:15:28] <FatPhil> if you've not seen /Bullshit/ you might like some of the episodes
[19:15:40] <Sulla> Seen most of it
[19:15:48] <chromas> we have the electoral college to counterbalance the russian voter influence
[19:16:02] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Logitech is Buying Streamlabs for $89 Million - https://sylnt.us - row-row-row-your...game?
[19:16:11] <Sulla> You could technically just buy electoral votes in states where they aren't tied to how the state voted
[19:16:21] <Sulla> So doesn't really stop russians
[19:16:37] <chromas> maybe that should be fixed instead of just removing the college
[19:16:53] <chromas> besides, electoral college is affirmative action and that'a s good thing
[19:16:54] <Sulla> That would be my preference
[19:17:10] <Bytram> My experience with a condo association (about 5 years) was quite pleasant. Attended the monthly meetings. Mostly listened during the first few to get a feel for things and asked a few questions. Once I got my feet under me, was able to make observations and suggestions that were generally well-received and some were implemented. All seemed to be on the up-and-up. No complaints from me on how it was run. Not saying that all are that
[19:17:10] <Bytram> good, but can state that it *is* possible to run them well.
[19:17:11] <Sulla> Electorcal college was to prevent the states that survive on manufacturing from choosing all the policy
[19:18:17] <FatPhil> not really, there are better ways to manage that.
[19:18:39] <Bytram> The electoral college was to not allow demagogues to hoodwink the general populace; the Elector had veto over the popular vote's choice and was supposed to use that vote to *inform* rather than *dictate* their vote.
[19:19:05] <chromas> FatPhil: but nobody's trying to implement something better; just to delete it
[19:19:08] <Bytram> *use that popular vote to inform them
[19:19:31] <Sulla> Removing the electoral college, at current percentages of voters vs general population, would result in farmers losing their vote entirelly in the presidential elections
[19:19:43] <Sulla> which i gues is fine, ill just move to alaska when they leave the union
[19:20:10] <chromas> alaska has the gibs
[19:20:16] <Sulla> kidna
[19:20:28] <Sulla> alaska gets gibs because the feds won't let us use >2/3 of our land
[19:20:50] <FatPhil> If only someone could invent a form of representation that was representative...
[19:20:51] <chromas> so the gibs go with the union?
[19:21:05] <Sulla> Yeah
[19:21:13] <Sulla> the state would make more using that land then they make in gibs from the feds
[19:21:13] <chromas> do EU citizens directly vote on EU things?
[19:21:26] <Sulla> The feds were also only supposed to handle war and trade
[19:21:28] <FatPhil> CPG Grey has a good vid on who owns the land in the US
[19:21:41] <chromas> is it the chinese?
[19:21:44] <Sulla> so state level real republics were supposed to be far more important
[19:22:15] <Sulla> but endless expansion of federal power (and the civil war negating the 10th amendment) killed that.
[19:22:28] <FatPhil> it will be!
[19:22:36] <FatPhil> anyway, AFK, watchin' movie
[19:22:48] <Sulla> The feds, according to the constitution as written, have no right to dictate the legality of pot, vehicle emissions, etc
[19:22:58] <Sulla> but "states rights" is now a bad word, so you gotta let them tell you what to do
[19:23:06] <Sulla> baby with bathwater etc
[19:24:21] * chromas reports Sulla for ungoodspeak
[19:26:04] <Sulla> reeeeeee
[19:26:19] <Sulla> give me liberty or give me the rat cage
[19:26:44] <chromas> right now, a metric dozen channers who identify as attack helicopters are on the way to your house
[19:27:20] <Sulla> Thats okay, I also identify as an attack helicopter
[19:27:27] <Sulla> are they big guys?
[19:27:45] <chromas> at least three hundred lbs
[19:28:33] <chromas> oh, there's a problem with metric. you don't get random units like dozen, which is mostly used to indicate smaller numbers, like 6
[19:28:50] <Sulla> correct answer was: for you
[19:28:54] <Sulla> only loss in the death of 8chan was /bane
[19:29:01] <chromas> oh oops
[19:29:57] * chromas creates 1024chan
[19:34:41] <Sulla> Wife bought cloths online, ended up being some chinese company
[19:34:58] <Sulla> Because they hadn't shipped, or been put together, but only just received the order i went to cancel it
[19:35:04] <Sulla> 15% cancellation "penalty"
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[19:57:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm in favor of those but i call them a "being a pain in my ass penalty"
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[19:58:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> FYI: most recent journals slashbox now updates every five minutes
[19:58:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> ditto top comments and some other junk
[19:58:49] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: Saw that... thanks! So, I take it my comment was (somewhat) in error?
[20:00:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> lil bit. took me half an hour of source diving to find out how it was even created, so don't feel too bad.
[20:01:02] <Sulla> it wasn't a complaint it was an observation
[20:01:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> really oughta be served up dynamically though. like on every main page load created anew.
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[20:01:07] * Bytram feels *much* better!
[20:01:27] <Sulla> queing stuff to take less processing power is logical, do it all day with large database queries
[20:02:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> now if we had a hundred million users that'd be another story but our journals tables are pretty tiny.
[20:02:20] <Bytram> there's something like at least 53 hard-coded cron update strings littered through the code
[20:02:20] <Sulla> How many journals do I need to post to drag down the site?
[20:02:29] <Sulla> need to nkow for research purposes
[20:02:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> think i may split the tasks off into individual scripts and make the control more fine grained
[20:03:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> could run the journal one once a minute and nobody'd notice
[20:03:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> Sulla, all of them
[20:04:33] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, i gotta run around town getting mower parts, church parts, and groceries. laters.
[20:04:37] <Bytram> just set em all up as stored procs and let the system keep everything nice and shiny and consistent and... burned to a crisp due to the resulting cascade of actions?
[20:04:45] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:04:54] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard++ thanks for looking into it!
[20:04:54] <Bender> karma - themightybuzzard: 359
[20:05:35] <Sulla> Have a good one
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[21:08:52] <FatPhil> just watched: https://www.imdb.com - my goodness, did US viewers not like it one little bit - their modal score is 1/10!
[21:08:53] <upstart> ^ 03The Day Shall Come (2019) - IMDb ( https://www.imdb.com )
[21:14:03] <FatPhil> not a patch on https://www.imdb.com , alas.
[21:14:05] <upstart> ^ 03Four Lions (2010) - IMDb ( https://www.imdb.com )
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[21:49:28] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.bbc.co.uk
[21:49:33] <upstart> Submitting "315 billion-tonne iceberg breaks off Antarctica"...( 1 modified urls; https://www.bbc.com )
[21:49:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> FatPhil, damn, now i wanna watch that
[21:49:55] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "315 Billion-tonne Iceberg Breaks Off Antarctica" (22 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[22:46:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EPFL Researchers Invent Low-Cost Alternative to Bitcoin - https://sylnt.us - money-for-nothing?
[22:55:10] <pinchy> it is time to redistribute TMBs wealth for the good of utopia
[22:58:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> i have wealth?
[23:01:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> i thought i kind of made a point of going fishing any time my income approached anything that could be considered beyond subsistence.
[23:33:38] <AndyTheAbsurd> TheMightyBuzzard: by now, you should have a wealth of frozen fish.
[23:44:18] <Bytram> !uid
[23:44:18] <Bender> The current maximum UID is 8607, owned by slashnot
[23:44:22] <Bytram> lol
[23:45:43] <Bytram> =nick 76
[23:45:57] <Bytram> =uid martyb
[23:59:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> AndyTheAbsurd, oh, a couple hundred bucks worth, sure, but no fisherman ever breaks even vs. their gear.