#Soylent | Logs for 2019-09-24
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[00:25:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - AT&T Tells Court: Customers Can't Sue Over Sale of Phone Location Data - https://sylnt.us - nip-it-in-the-bud
[01:29:31] <Bytram> chopchop1: does it go back to the full story... or does it just fail to use the #comment_blahblah ID to set the comment at the top of the page?
[01:29:43] <Bytram> chromas: does it go back to the full story... or does it just fail to use the #comment_blahblah ID to set the comment at the top of the page?
[01:29:54] <chromas> full story
[01:30:05] <chromas> it does go down to the comment
[01:30:26] <chromas> but it's just resource wasty loading the whole thing when I already had it open in another tab
[01:30:26] <Bytram> chopchop1: sorry about that, but chromas has been around forever and I am *so* used to typeing: C H <tab> to autocomplete his nick.
[01:30:48] <Bytram> you cold have come in via a direct link to that comment, it does not know
[01:31:03] <chromas> it could use the referer string
[01:31:14] <chromas> or just assume that since I came from the comment, that's where I wanna go
[01:31:28] <chromas> or use javascript for inline comment posting :D
[01:31:39] <Bytram> btw, I *just* booted up my new-to-me lappy for the first time with a Ubuntu 18.04.3 LTS DVD
[01:31:48] <chromas> cool
[01:31:52] <chromas> now install gentoo
[01:32:02] <Bytram> tried giving it a DNS of 1.1.1.1 but still cannot get to the net
[01:32:08] <Bytram> no drive installed yet
[01:32:37] <chromas> how did you set the dns?
[01:32:43] <Bytram> missing drive cover bay, so I *could* install a drive and hope it never wiggles loose
[01:32:49] <Bytram> umm
[01:33:05] <chromas> it probably has networkmanager and I think that ignores and/or screws with /etc/resolf.conf
[01:33:12] <Bytram> saw my SSID appear in the list, clicked the gear icon to setup
[01:33:28] <chromas> ah
[01:33:40] <chromas> can you do nslookup or anything?
[01:34:22] <Bytram> ping did not work
[01:34:38] <Bytram> nslookup dell.com
[01:34:49] <Bytram> Server: 127.0.0,53
[01:34:53] <chromas> hot glue the ssd
[01:35:09] <Bytram> Address: 127.0.0.53#53
[01:35:17] <chromas> do you have an ip address at all?
[01:35:22] <chromas> besides 127.*
[01:35:24] * Bytram needs a laarger dessk
[01:35:56] <Bytram> is strange... not showing up as being connected when I look at my phone
[01:36:10] <Bytram> only conncted device my phone shows is my old lappy
[01:36:24] <Bytram> maybe it needs a name for the new lappy?
[01:36:51] <chromas> did you actually connect or just set the dns host? :)
[01:37:08] <Bytram> btw, it's an i5 M 540 w/ 4 GB RAM and soon to have installed a 1 TB Samsung EVO 860 SSD
[01:37:59] <Bytram> U. complained I entered the wrong pwd, and then I tried again and it *seems* happy, but no worky
[01:40:45] <chromas> ubuntu 18.04. Does that gnome?
[01:40:55] * chromas doesn't remember when they were switching away from unity
[01:40:59] <Bytram> I thnk so
[01:42:14] <Bytram> oh, waiyt, my phone needs to know the mac address
[01:43:06] <chromas> does it give you a notification to poke and accept or do you have to type it in?
[01:43:36] <Bytram> gnome 3.28.2
[01:44:06] <Bytram> I have myphone set up to only allow 'allowed devices' to connect
[01:44:30] <Bytram> am trring to add this new lappy, but don't know where the MAC addresss is kept
[01:44:48] <chromas> Ah. Thought maybe it would announce a connection attempt and ask if you want to accept it
[01:45:03] <chromas> if you open up a terminal you can type ip address
[01:45:07] <Fnord666> windows?
[01:45:09] <chromas> there's also ifconfig I think
[01:45:12] <Fnord666> type ipconfig
[01:45:26] <chromas> ubuntu, but I can understand the confusion with windows :)
[01:45:51] <Bytram> ipconfig command not found
[01:45:57] <Fnord666> ifconfig on linux
[01:46:08] <Bytram> not found
[01:46:22] <Bytram> but can be nstalled with:
[01:46:28] <Bytram> sudo apt install net-tools
[01:47:02] <Fnord666> try 'ip a'
[01:47:04] <chromas> try ip
[01:47:05] <chromas> yeah
[01:47:34] <Bytram> that worked
[01:47:54] <Fnord666> and good evening gentlemen
[01:48:01] <Bytram> good evening
[01:48:10] <Bytram> I've got two to chose from
[01:48:13] <Bytram> eno1:
[01:48:18] <Bytram> and wlp2s0:
[01:48:22] <chromas> the second one
[01:48:41] <Bytram> k
[01:48:47] <chromas> I haven't seen eno devices before
[01:49:09] <chromas> but—at least in my experience—wlp are wireless adapters
[01:49:15] <Fnord666> en is the ethernet interface
[01:49:24] <chromas> what happened to eth?
[01:49:29] <Fnord666> wlp is wireless adapter
[01:49:35] <chromas> oh wait I have an en
[01:49:42] <chromas> but it's enp3s0
[01:49:55] <chromas> ubuntu has fewer characters
[01:50:12] <chromas> Fnord666++
[01:50:12] <Bender> karma - fnord666: 26
[01:50:14] <Fnord666> systemd happened
[01:50:39] <chromas> yeah but he needs more letters and numbers
[01:51:01] <Fnord666> eno are embedded NIC cards I think
[01:51:39] <Bytram> am making progress
[01:52:20] <Bytram> oh, that sounded better
[01:52:21] <Fnord666> the new naming schemes are a hot mess
[01:52:45] <chromas> looks like a net.ifnames=0 to the kernel fixes it
[01:52:56] <Bytram> ping soylentnews.org now worked!
[01:53:00] <chromas> or a udev rule
[01:53:08] <Fnord666> they are the "consistent network naming scheme"
[01:53:27] <chromas> they should just use the mac address for the name then
[01:53:35] <chromas> and also put the device into /dev
[01:53:37] <Fnord666> i need to hit the backscroll to see what the actual issue is
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[01:54:07] <AzumaHazuki> another 12 hour shift...was a 9 but the floaters who were in over the weekend were incompetent :v
[01:54:09] <chromas> he wasn't able to connect until he put the mac address into his phone, which is his access point
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[01:55:18] <Fnord666> btw the 'ip' command has replaced the ifconfig command in most cases
[01:55:32] <Fnord666> which explains why it's not installed by default
[01:55:53] <chromas> I like the ip command because the output is a lot cleaner and to-the-point than ifconfig
[01:56:48] <chromas> AzumaHazuki: incompetence seems the usual for pharmacies
[01:57:04] <AzumaHazuki> hell, that's bad
[01:57:19] <Bytram_> let's see if I can use an external kbd on this new-to-me lappy
[01:57:28] <AzumaHazuki> i've been told i've got some of the highest speed and accuracy they've ever seen, something like one or two bounced entries for incorrect data per month
[01:57:31] <Bytram_> YAYS!
[01:57:42] <Fnord666> Nice
[01:57:57] <Bytram_> AzumaHazuki++
[01:57:57] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 17
[01:58:40] * Bytram_ wonders if he can scrounge up a cable to connect the new lappy to his TV
[01:58:55] <Bytram_> prolly has wrong kinmd of connector
[01:59:44] <Fnord666> as long as you have hdmi on the tv...
[01:59:57] <chromas> You need a chain of lightning→hdmi→displayport→vga→svhs adapters
[02:00:51] <Bytram_> Need HDMMI on the monnitor (TV)
[02:01:00] <Bytram_> Think I have display port on the lappy
[02:01:01] <chromas> How old is the tv?
[02:01:10] <Fnord666> you missed DVI in there
[02:01:14] <chromas> oh yeah
[02:01:14] <Bytram_> =g Latitude 6410 video port
[02:01:15] <upstart> https://www.dell.com - Issue in VGA /Display port in Latitude E 6410 - Dell Community
[02:01:26] <Bytram_> =g Latitude 6410 video port -vga
[02:01:27] <upstart> https://www.youtube.com - Dell Latitude E5410 e6410 Laptop Power Jack Repair broken ...
[02:01:40] <Bytram_> =g Latitude 6410 ports
[02:01:41] <upstart> http://www.notebookreview.com - Dell Latitude E6410 Review
[02:02:48] <Bytram> Rear: LAN, DisplayPort-out, power jack
[02:04:03] <Bytram_> well, it's nice to know it works, but booting (and runngin) from a DVD is kinda painful.
[02:04:28] <Bytram_> think I'll shut it down for the night and call it a success
[02:04:34] <Fnord666> https://www.dell.com
[02:04:36] <exec> └─ 13Latitude E6410 Laptop Details | Dell
[02:04:37] <upstart> ^ 03Latitude E6410 Laptop | Dell
[02:04:55] <chromas> Yeah. Take out the optical drive and get a caddy for another ssd
[02:04:57] <Fnord666> looks like VGA, DisplayPort
[02:05:59] <Fnord666> He's already putting in a 1TB ASSD
[02:06:03] <Fnord666> He's already putting in a 1TB SSD
[02:06:04] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Trump Ukraine Call: What's This Story All About? - https://sylnt.us - Watergate-or-TeapotTempest
[02:06:12] <chromas> can't have too much storage
[02:07:10] <Fnord666> true. Added 6TB to my NAS last weekend
[02:07:59] <Bytram_> what do you use for your NAS?
[02:08:27] <chromas> Elephants Dream and Linux ISOs, of course
[02:09:03] <Bytram_> Looks like the max resolution I have avail from this N2M (New To Me) lappy is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz
[02:09:11] <Fnord666> freeNAS at the moment
[02:09:18] <Bytram_> nodnod
[02:09:28] <Fnord666> that's a decent resolution
[02:09:35] <Bytram_> this is... weird
[02:09:39] <Fnord666> for an onboard video card
[02:10:21] <Fnord666> was using D-Link NAS box (DNS-320) before
[02:10:24] <Bytram_> I type something on one lappy, it goes out my phone, to our servers in Dallas, then back to my phone, then to my other lappy, and then to my screen
[02:10:50] <Bytram_> 123
[02:10:52] <Fnord666> wait, what?
[02:11:01] <chromas> Don't forget the loop through the NSA warehouse
[02:11:08] <Bytram_> lol
[02:11:19] <chromas> or maybe that's a fork
[02:11:28] <chromas> oh wait, that's also in Dallas
[02:11:28] <Bytram_> I'm usng the IRC link on the site to type here
[02:11:51] <Bytram_> anyway, shutting it down, now.
[02:11:56] <Bytram_> afk for a bit
[02:12:00] <Fnord666> k
[02:12:20] <chromas> if you're in linux you can tether to your phone with the usb cable
[02:14:09] <Bytram> nodnod
[02:14:42] <chromas> I discovered it accidentally years ago with a sprint phone. it just showed up as a connection. didn't have to pay the tethering fee even
[02:14:44] <Bytram> I prefer to keep the number of physical connections in-and-oout of the connector to a minimum
[02:14:45] <Fnord666> be sure you have an adblocker on unless you like buring through data
[02:14:56] <Bytram> nod nod
[02:15:27] <Bytram> next on my list is to get a Raspi to use as a pi hole
[02:15:54] <chromas> as long as it sits between the phone and what you're tethering to it
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[02:16:43] <Fnord666> Only issue I have with that is that you may not have it with you all the time unless you VPN back to home base, then through the pi hole
[02:17:04] <Bytram> good point
[02:17:27] <Bytram> wish we had a VPN avail through SN
[02:17:31] <chromas> just run the pi hole os in a virtual machine on the lap and force all your data to go through it before going out to wifi
[02:18:01] <Fnord666> you start chaining a bunch of devices across the coffee shop, people start staring. Especially if they don't wee windoze...
[02:18:02] <chromas> ssh -NL 5432:localhost:5432 staff.soylentnews.org
[02:18:18] <Fnord666> oh that's an interesting idea
[02:18:24] <Bytram> indeed!
[02:18:46] <Fnord666> Might need to punch up the RAM and doesn't do anything for the rest of home base...
[02:19:30] <Fnord666> wait we have a login to staff.soylentnews.org?
[02:19:32] <Bytram> we're getting to the point that a whole data center can be virtualized... VMs, software-defined-networking, ...
[02:19:34] <Bytram> et.
[02:19:38] <Bytram> etc.
[02:19:58] <Bytram> okay, break (and munchies) time. biab
[02:20:09] <Fnord666> That would be "in the cloud", which really just means "on someone else's computer"
[02:20:09] <chromas> and the whole thing's run on a box under my bed
[02:20:39] <Fnord666> which whole thing again?
[02:20:54] <chromas> the virtualized data center cloud
[02:21:07] <Bytram> believe ir or not, slashdot started as a blog on a guy's computer in his dorm room "Chips and Dip" I think it was called
[02:21:17] <Fnord666> ah, ok. must keep you toasty in the winter
[02:21:22] <chromas> https://www.xkcd.com
[02:21:22] <upstart> ^ 03The Cloud
[02:21:23] <exec> └─ 13xkcd: The Cloud
[02:21:34] <Bytram> don't trip over the cloud
[02:21:36] <Fnord666> Rob?
[02:21:44] <Bytram> yep
[02:21:48] <Bytram> malda
[02:21:55] <Bytram> aka cmdr taco
[02:21:59] <Fnord666> yup
[02:22:24] <Bytram> I was following slashdot before they even set up nicks and UIDs
[02:22:47] <Fnord666> @cmdrtaco
[02:22:51] * Bytram strokes his gray^w white beard
[02:22:54] <chromas> he's thinking of that because chips, dips & cmdr tacos are on the brain as he hunts for munchables
[02:23:07] <Bytram> tru dat
[02:23:10] <Bytram> on my way
[02:23:12] <Bytram> afk
[02:23:13] <chromas> tacos++
[02:23:13] <Bender> karma - tacos: 16
[02:24:19] <Fnord666> ummm, tacos
[02:24:43] <chromas> you can have a login to the staff servers but I dunno if anyone set it up for you
[02:25:05] <chromas> maybe it depends on the jerb you signed up for
[02:25:11] <Fnord666> we are in National Hispanic Heritage Month after all
[02:25:51] <Fnord666> do you have a login?
[02:25:59] <chromas> Didn't know the Spaniards needed their own month now. Inquisition! Inquisition!
[02:26:03] <chromas> I do
[02:26:17] <chromas> oh if you had one, you'd know 'cause you've gotta generate a key and stuff
[02:26:29] <Fnord666> if so do I have a login, either an entry in /etc/passwd or a directory in /home?
[02:27:14] <Fnord666> so they only use ssh keys?
[02:27:32] <chromas> I don't see an entry in /home for you
[02:27:44] <Fnord666> guess not then
[02:28:02] <chromas> yes to ssh keys
[02:28:30] <Fnord666> not that I'm opposed. I use ssh keys all the time at work
[02:28:41] <chromas> they're using kerberos. I dunno how that relates to /etc/passwd but I don't see any staffs in it
[02:30:39] <chromas> oh yeah. forgot about my tmux session from a month ago. still running
[02:31:00] <Fnord666> ah, ok
[02:32:02] <Fnord666> been a while since I worked with kerberos
[02:32:03] <chromas> I think tmb and mechanicjay are the guys to talk to if you want access. at least, of the people who are usually around
[02:32:22] <Fnord666> probably a lot easier to deal with these days
[02:32:33] <Fnord666> kerberos i mean, not tmb
[02:32:34] <chromas> I've only used it to kinit
[03:21:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> hrm?
[03:23:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's not that hard. it's a goodly bit past my bedtime though, so email me a ssh pub key and i'll monkey with it when i get time tomorrow.
[03:24:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> it gets you access to a staff server and the staff-only wiki
[03:24:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's about it
[03:25:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> wiki is mostly admin-type stuff, so a lot of eds never bother unless they just really want a shell account on the staff server.
[03:27:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, gets you access to the staff instance of rehash too. which nobody uses.
[03:27:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, buggering off to bed.
[03:35:27] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Nine Words to Ruin Your Monday: Emergency Internet Explorer Patch Amid In-The-Wild Attacks - https://sylnt.us - I'm-shocked,shocked-I-say
[05:18:48] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - The Brain May Actively Forget During Dream Sleep - https://sylnt.us - yawn
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[06:45:49] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Most of the Mind Can’t Tell Fact from Fiction - https://sylnt.us - is-that-right?
[08:03:21] <FatPhil> =submit https://phys.org
[08:03:23] <exec> └─ 13Black hole at the center of our galaxy appears to be getting hungrier
[08:03:23] <upstart> Submitting "Black hole at the center of our galaxy appears to be getting hungrier"...
[08:03:46] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Black Hole at the Center of Our Galaxy Appears to be Getting Hungrier" (24 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[08:16:57] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Tesla's One Million Mile Battery Hopes - https://sylnt.us - one-MEEEELLION-miles
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[09:47:09] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why are Mountains So High? It Doesn't Add Up - https://sylnt.us - why-is-the-ocean-so-deep?
[10:59:55] <FatPhil> do real human beings ever "leverage synergies"?
[11:15:43] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Why is the Brain Disturbed by Harsh Sounds? - https://sylnt.us - tryouts-for-the-Voice
[11:27:21] <chromas> FatPhil: Obviously only after they equivocate their paradigm shifts
[11:34:49] <FatPhil> so the queen broke the law?
[11:35:00] <FatPhil> it was the queen who actually suspended government, after bojo asked her to.
[11:35:14] <FatPhil> Lock her up!
[11:37:28] <Bytram> FatPhil: buttery males!
[11:37:46] <Bytram> coffee++
[11:37:46] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4970
[11:38:02] <chromas> that's hillaryous
[11:38:12] <FatPhil> chromas++
[11:38:12] <Bender> karma - chromas: 261
[11:38:23] * chromas rubs himself in buttery males and heads to epstein island
[11:38:29] <Bytram> lol
[11:38:31] <Bytram> ~time x
[11:38:33] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:38 am
[11:39:05] <FatPhil> why's my ntp not working? looks like I've drifted 3 minutes
[11:39:12] <FatPhil> (raspberry pi)
[11:39:32] <chromas> systemctl status systemd-timesyncd
[11:40:21] <FatPhil> chromas--
[11:40:21] <Bender> karma - chromas: 260
[11:41:03] <FatPhil> how dare you insult my poor little pis by insinuating they have such software on them
[11:41:31] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~time timbuktu
[11:41:33] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:41 am
[11:41:47] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~time Schenectady
[11:41:49] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:41 am
[11:42:09] <AndyTheAbsurd> does this thing know where ANYPLACE is?
[11:42:16] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~time EDT
[11:42:18] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:42 am
[11:42:40] <Bytram> AndyTheAbsurd: ~time is borken
[11:43:23] <chromas> You just have to give it the name of a real place
[11:43:45] <Bytram> but, it *does* report (by default) the time in UTC and I find *that* to be helpful, and with a nod to the old-time Timex brand, I find it a convenient mnemonic to get time in UTC as: ~time x =)
[11:43:56] <Bytram> ~time PST
[11:43:58] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:43 am
[11:44:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> Schenectady is a real place...hell, I'm pretty sure I even spelled it right.
[11:44:11] <Bytram> you did
[11:44:18] <Bytram> ~time boston
[11:44:20] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:44 am
[11:44:23] * AndyTheAbsurd grew up nearby
[11:44:24] <Bytram> ~time miami
[11:44:26] <exec> location not found - UTC timestamp: Tuesday, 24 September 2019, 11:44 am
[11:44:40] * Bytram went to college nearby
[11:44:45] <AndyTheAbsurd> The other direction was Rensellearville, which is also hard to spell.
[11:45:30] <AndyTheAbsurd> RPI? SUNY Albany? Siena? or one of the other ones?
[11:45:31] <chromas> miami's gotta be fake
[11:45:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday Bytram
[11:45:37] * exec seductively cyberbullies a combinatoric explosion of cowbell at Bytram
[11:45:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday AndyTheAbsurd
[11:45:42] * exec unjustifiably sets a pile of boiled dog by AndyTheAbsurd
[11:45:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday FatPhil
[11:45:45] <Bytram> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:45:46] * exec retroactively snatches a shitton of nails from FatPhil
[11:45:47] * exec insatiably pisses a bunch of hot sauce on TheMightyBuzzard
[11:45:49] <AndyTheAbsurd> ~gday TheMightyBuzzard
[11:45:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> ~gday chromass
[11:45:51] * exec emphatically hurls a blockchain of snacks at TheMightyBuzzard
[11:45:52] * exec somewhat shamefully dereferences a pointer to a raid 0 volume of lettuce for chromass
[11:45:56] <chromas> ~g'day TheMightyBuzzard
[11:45:59] * exec transphobically crams a systemd journal of muchas grassy ass into TheMightyBuzzard
[11:46:04] <chromas> ~g'day martyBytram
[11:46:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh and...
[11:46:07] * exec communistically piles a pair of used panties full of segfaults on martyBytram
[11:46:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> coffee++
[11:46:07] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4971
[11:46:38] <chromas> ~g'day coffee
[11:46:40] * exec proverbially rubs a mountain of roux on coffee
[11:46:44] * Bytram decides he is gonna take a chance and mount an SSD in his (new2me) lappy that is lacking its drive cover to hold it securely in place
[11:47:07] <chromas> does the cover come separately?
[11:47:16] <chromas> or was it premature?
[11:47:20] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: thanks for that! I just *knew* I needed more cowbell! =)
[11:47:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> duct tape
[11:47:51] <Bytram> got an old dell laptop for a song: $25
[11:47:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> neato
[11:48:06] * Bytram actually got 3 of them
[11:48:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[11:48:15] <Bytram> i5 M 540
[11:48:21] <Bytram> 2c4t
[11:48:28] <Bytram> ~2.5GHz
[11:48:53] <chromas> how're the batteries holding up?
[11:49:59] * Bytram downloaded Ubuntu v18.04.3 onto a DVD and it was able to load and run
[11:50:14] * Bytram got a universal charger which seemed to work.
[11:50:47] <Bytram> is still at ~60% after yesterday's tests
[11:50:49] <Bytram> =)
[11:51:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> beowulf cluster?
[11:51:16] <Bytram> nope
[11:51:40] <Bytram> definitely gonna use 1 to port all my windows-based stuff to linux
[11:52:11] <Bytram> another, hopefully, for running a copy of our site in a VM for testing purposes
[11:52:27] <Bytram> other is prolly just gonna be for spare parts.
[11:52:44] <chromas> use the spare parts one for the server and skip the vm
[11:53:44] <Bytram> the battery on my "main" lappy (Dell Latitude E6400) gave up the ghost a long time ago, ditto for the backup battery for cmos settings
[11:54:12] <Bytram> these are Dell Latitude E6410s - so part compatible, but faster
[11:54:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, cmos batteries are cheap and easy to get replacements for.
[11:55:14] * Bytram is very sorely temped to just pull the hard drive from his old lappy and drop it into a new one and see if it boots okay, but is leery of possibly corrupting that image and having NO pc
[11:55:22] <chromas> aren't they all cr2032s now?
[11:55:28] <Bytram> no idea
[11:55:37] * Bytram hasn't pulled the back off to check.
[11:56:15] <Bytram> you mean, something I could prolly pick up at a target or walgreens or somesuch>
[11:56:19] <chromas> plug it into a lap but boot from a usb drive and copy the hdd contents over
[11:56:23] <Bytram> s/>/?/
[11:56:24] <exec> <Bytram> you mean, something I could prolly pick up at a target or walgreens or somesuch?
[11:56:44] <Bytram> brb, gonna start a load of laundry
[11:56:46] <chromas> yeah. at least desktops seem to always be cr2032s
[11:56:48] <Bytram> afk
[11:58:04] <chromas> ssh hostlappy "cat /dev/sda" >/dev/newdisk
[12:11:34] <Bytram> chopchop1: thanks for that. I was thinking that since I have a "Live" ubuntu image on my DVD, I was just going to use its tool to install it onto the SSD, locally
[12:11:42] <Bytram> chromas: thanks for that. I was thinking that since I have a "Live" ubuntu image on my DVD, I was just going to use its tool to install it onto the SSD, locally
[12:14:18] <chromas> You can do that
[12:14:41] <chromas> if you like gnome3
[12:14:43] <chromas> >:)
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[12:21:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, that ssh command is virtually certain to screw you.
[12:22:14] <chromas> well you've gotta be root, of course
[12:23:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> you've also got files changing underneath you and cat dealing with binary data when it's notorious for not playing nice with such.
[12:25:26] <chromas> you can direct to an image file if it makes you feel better
[12:25:29] * TheMightyBuzzard hates even attempting over the network backups of a mounted filesystem
[12:26:40] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least as an image
[12:27:22] <TheMightyBuzzard> rsync or scp would be fine because you're not having to fight files being written to in the filesystem while copying it.
[12:27:56] <chromas> the time I did that (or something similar) I couldn't get rsync or anything else to play with device nodes
[12:27:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> you may get an outdated version of a file but you won't get a corrupt image
[12:28:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> well yeah, you can exclude /dev/* because it's going to be recreated on boot nowadays.
[12:29:39] <chromas> No I mean reading a disk device and writing to another
[12:29:46] <chromas> there's probably a switch I didn't see though
[12:30:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> that's a job for dd not rsync
[12:30:24] <chromas> does dd work over the network?
[12:31:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> directly? no.
[12:32:32] <chromas> useless
[12:32:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> at least not that i've figured out how to manage
[12:32:40] <inz> I once tried dd if=/dev/sda | ssh newlaptop dd of=/dev/sda but it took way too slow
[12:32:56] <inz> s/slow/long/
[12:32:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> that works? huh.
[12:32:58] <exec> <inz> I once tried dd if=/dev/sda | ssh newlaptop dd of=/dev/sda but it took way too long
[12:32:59] <chromas> in my case, I wanted to upgrade to a bigger hdd but nobody at my sister's house had a computer with room for a second disk
[12:33:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> boot from usb and don't mount the fs if you want safety
[12:34:19] <chromas> yeah I used a distro install thumbdrive
[12:34:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> ahh, nod nod.
[12:34:35] <chromas> I think I ended up having to reinstall anyway because Windows wouldn't accept the resized partition
[12:34:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh
[12:34:51] <chromas> windows--
[12:34:51] <Bender> karma - windows: -25
[12:35:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have left it the same size and resized in windows
[12:35:22] <chromas> But at least I wasted a bunch of time using tools in a naughty fashion
[12:35:41] <chromas> can windows resize its own partition though?
[12:36:01] <inz> TheMightyBuzzard, it kinda did work, but after an hour or so, I grabbed a screwdriver and a sata-usb3 cable, and was done in less time than I anticipated
[12:36:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> chromas, yep.
[12:36:30] <chromas> news to me
[12:36:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> had to do it on my tablet when i gave up trying to get linux to work on it without booting from a thumb drive.
[12:38:11] <chromas> inz: did you set bs?
[12:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> smoke break
[12:38:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> nicotine++
[12:38:16] <Bender> karma - nicotine: 730
[12:38:39] <chromas> I didn't once when writing to a usb drive and it took many times longer than it needed to
[12:38:46] <chromas> not sure if the default is 1
[12:39:23] <chromas> now I just use cp to write usb images because it's less typing
[12:48:15] <janrinok> Bytram, once you get Ubuntu up and running, you can join in the systemd discussions that are ever so popular....
[12:51:51] <chromas> ls /bin/*ctl |wc
[12:53:40] <Bytram> janrinok: fun fun fun! ;)
[12:54:44] <chromas> isn't systemd essentially dead since rms stepped down though?
[12:56:01] <janrinok> don't blame RMS for Poettering's failures.
[12:56:33] <chromas> You're right; I was thinking of emacs. They look so much alike tho
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[12:59:32] <janrinok> lol
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[13:03:07] <inz> chromas, I did, something like 1M IIRC
[13:17:22] <chromas> I like dcfldd because it gives progress by default and automatically picks a good bs value
[13:17:32] <chromas> but then I gotta remember the name of the command
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[14:11:25] <cmn32480> #smake exec
[14:11:26] * MrPlow smakes exec upside the head with a horseshoe
[14:16:22] <FatPhil> https://www.youtube.com
[14:16:23] <upstart> ^ 03I Fought the Law - Boris Johnson x The Clash
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[14:35:58] <upstart> Submitting "Security Warning For 23 Million YouTube Creators Following ‘Massive’ Hack Attack"...
[14:36:20] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "Security Warning For 23 Million YouTube Creators Following ‘Massive’ Hack Attack" (28 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[14:36:22] <SoyCow2718> =submit https://diginomica.com
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[16:52:29] <upstart> Submitting "Quieter, Faster, Stronger: The Next Jet Age Is Coming"...
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[17:06:07] <cmn32480> #sammich
[17:06:07] * MrPlow whips up a vegan special sammich for cmn32480
[17:06:15] <cmn32480> #sammich
[17:06:15] * MrPlow whips up a tactical sammich for cmn32480
[17:06:23] <cmn32480> too much lead
[17:06:26] <cmn32480> #sammich
[17:06:26] * MrPlow whips up a turkey and cranberry sauce sammich for cmn32480
[17:06:34] <cmn32480> mmmmmmm
[17:06:37] <janrinok> just had chilli-con-carne
[17:06:40] <cmn32480> that'll work
[17:06:45] <cmn32480> poooo
[17:06:53] <cmn32480> chili sounds delightful
[17:06:57] <janrinok> it was
[17:07:08] <cmn32480> little cheese little onion and some jalapeno
[17:07:10] * FatPhil had a fricken murgh jalfrezi for lunch, and it had *almost no chillis* in it!
[17:07:17] * FatPhil was angry
[17:07:26] <janrinok> get your money back
[17:07:35] <cmn32480> give them the sammich back
[17:07:45] <janrinok> jalfrezi sans chilli - not a jalfrezi in my book
[17:08:34] <janrinok> is the food good where you are FP?
[17:08:34] <FatPhil> it was pretty hot, and there were a few tiny sub-slivers of chilli in it, but I want visible slices of fresh chilli.
[17:08:45] <janrinok> zactly
[17:09:12] <FatPhil> getting better, as we're finally discovering foreigners, and moving away from pork and potatoes.
[17:10:27] <FatPhil> now about 6 curry houses in walking distance. Bunch of mixed-asian-foods places, so can get passable Thai too.
[17:10:28] <janrinok> from my 3 years in Russia, the food was certainly filling and modern eating places were doing alright, but you had to look hard for a really good meal
[17:11:09] <FatPhil> Sometimes a hartscho is all you need.
[17:11:11] <janrinok> never saw a curry house though...
[17:11:28] <janrinok> I don't know hartscho
[17:12:01] <FatPhil> best hartscho and seljanka I've had were in St. Petersburg.
[17:12:23] <cmn32480> short guy in our office just had golf clubs delivered by UPS... before he saw the box from Calloway we put stickers on it that say "A Division of PlaySkool"
[17:12:27] <FatPhil> it's just a hearty soup, but can be utterly delicious.
[17:13:59] <FatPhil> cmn32480: you're as bad as me - every time we're in a furniture dept of a store, or in a suitably-equipped restaurant, and I see children's seats I'll say "that's your seat, Anna"
[17:14:10] <FatPhil> She fricken hates it, so I can't stop now.
[17:14:22] <cmn32480> lol
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[17:25:35] <FatPhil> anyone in .be or .nl?
[17:28:43] <Sulla> New conspiracy theory. Dems and Reps are creating news stories to shock the good market into falling so they can make money on the rebound. I want to know how many Dems and Republicans sold their stocks yesterday before they started the proceedings today
[17:29:45] <FatPhil> =submit https://www.ipsos.com
[17:29:48] <upstart> Submitting "It’s a fact, scientists are the most trusted people in world"...
[17:30:10] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "It’s a Fact, Scientists are the Most Trusted People in World" (11 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[17:31:18] <FatPhil> Sulla: pretty sure Trump is king pump-an'-dump, if you see what his China tariffs outbursts have done to several markets.
[17:32:19] <Sulla> Been paying attention and done great on copper companies
[17:33:23] <Sulla> The market seems to have accepted nothing will come from a deal but the baseline wants to keep going up. But when a tweet happens, even that changes nothing but sounds angry, they drop
[17:58:25] <FatPhil> Stocks are something I have no interest in playing with, almost from a moral perspective. I'd feel cleaner trafficking balkan preteens to Isle-de-Epstein than jumping onto a tech IPO!
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[17:59:17] <upstart> Submitting "The mysterious origins of an uncrackable video game"...
[17:59:39] <upstart> ✓ Sub-ccess! "The Mysterious Origins of an Uncrackable Video Game" (56 paragraphs) -> https://soylentnews.org
[18:00:04] <AndyTheAbsurd> SoyCow9427: by putting "uncrackable" in the title fo that story, the BBC has guaranteed that it will be cracked within 30 days.
[18:02:00] <Sulla> In general feel the same amount stocks, including retirement funds. I threw a small amount of money in I woulnd't be afraid of losing, but don't care too much to inflate, to have fun with it.
[18:02:21] <Sulla> When i made money on it last year (very little) i donated it to charity
[18:07:49] <SoyCow9427> =submit https://venturebeat.com
[18:07:50] <upstart> Submitting "Google wins fight to restrict right-to-be-forgotten ruling to EU search engines"...
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[18:08:49] <SoyCow9427> AndyTheAbsurd: possibly, but the uncrackable part isn't really what we normally think of when you use that term
[18:09:56] <SoyCow9427> It's really about a piece of code that algorithmically generates a maze but the authors weren't able to explain why it works
[18:10:37] <SoyCow9427> =submit https://www.cnet.com
[18:10:38] <upstart> Submitting "Amazon's Ring wanted to use 911 calls to activate its video doorbells"...
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[18:11:09] <SoyCow9427> =submit https://techcrunch.com
[18:11:10] <upstart> Submitting "Messaging app Kik shuts down as company focuses on Kin, its cryptocurrency – TechCrunch"...( 1 modified urls; http://social.techcrunch.com )
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[23:21:17] <Runaway1956> #submit https://dailycaller.com
[23:21:18] <MrPlow> Submitting. There is a mandatory delay, please be patient.
[23:21:43] <MrPlow> Submission successful. https://soylentnews.org
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