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[00:35:32] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Billionaire David Koch Dies at 79 - http://sylnt.us - R.I.P.
[00:35:48] <AzumaHazuki> hopefully they completed that new little annex in Hell in time
[00:39:35] <Bytram> nah, there's a special room for him in heaven, but he can't get there from where he is. so sad. See also: Lazarus.
[00:39:51] <Bytram> break time
[01:10:10] <chromas> Booo! The New MS Edge/Chromium fork doesn't run on the Linux www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download/
[01:34:44] <Bytram> =g rock 'em sock 'em robots
[01:34:45] <upstart> https://en.wikipedia.org - Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots - Wikipedia
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[02:36:45] <Ethanol-fueled> Groud control to Major Tom.
[02:37:50] <Ethanol-fueled> Ground control to Major Tom.
[02:38:03] <Ethanol-fueled> HAHAHAHHAHA
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[02:46:01] <Exaeta> TheMightyBuzzard: Can we please get a policy against long-term mod bombing?
[02:47:43] <Exaeta> Aristicraus (or someone else, but I know he admitted to mod bombing me) is clearly targeting me. If you aren't going to do anything about it because it doesn't reach 5 downmods in one day then I can just give him 4 downmods a day for the rest of eternity or something? :/
[02:48:06] <Exaeta> I don't see why this is allowed when it's clearly intentional
[02:49:47] <Exaeta> https://soylentnews.org
[02:49:48] <upstart> ^ 03SoylentNews Comments | WTF is Up With the "TROLL" Mods? ( https://soylentnews.org )
[02:50:19] <Exaeta> If that isn't aristicraus based on the speech patterns i'll eat my hat
[02:55:19] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Study Corroborates the Influence of Planetary Tidal Forces on Solar Activity - http://sylnt.us - time-and-tide-waits-for-nobody
[02:59:14] <Exaeta> I have suggested if someone mods a post troll and then other people mod it up that it should drop the modder's karma. And maybe a -1 karma just for using the troll mod until someone else mods the same comment troll or flamebait.
[03:39:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> Exaeta, you're not on the mod bombs list at all. that means in the past three days you haven't had even three downmods.
[03:40:34] <Exaeta> I mean that's because I've been posting AC to avoid mod bombs lol
[03:40:44] <Exaeta> Completely logged out
[03:41:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> why? one person can't affect your karma in any significant way if you're posting anything worth anyone's time.
[03:41:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> not even if they mod you four times every day.
[03:41:59] <Exaeta> They can when I only post like 2 or 3 comments a day.
[03:42:13] <TheMightyBuzzard> then they can only downmod you two or three times a day.
[03:42:28] <Exaeta> My kzrma is already down from 50 to 42 :/
[03:42:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> and you have the entire rest of the community to make up for those bad mods
[03:43:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyone who posts anything remotely controversial fluctuates between 40 and 50, that's to be expected.
[03:44:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> hell, ari took 17 downmods just today without getting mod bombed
[03:44:57] <Exaeta> It's a point system right? or am I misunderstanding how modding works
[03:45:32] <Exaeta> Your score is based on % upmod vs downmods or total upmods - downmods?
[03:45:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> karma's only important in that you don't want it to be negative, over 25 for the comment bonus.
[03:46:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> hmm? no, everyone gets ten points a day. that's 80K or so mod points out there to correct his every single day.
[03:46:26] <Exaeta> I mean karma points though, how to those work?
[03:46:44] <Exaeta> You lose one point if downmodded, gain one when upmodded?
[03:46:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> every upmod adds one, every downmod subtracts one.
[03:47:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> running total with a hard cap at 50
[03:47:25] <Exaeta> Which means I get downmodded if I post in low visibility threads.
[03:47:33] <Exaeta> Without the associated upmods.
[03:47:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't, dunno why that'd happen to you.
[03:48:10] <Exaeta> If I post on a main story I usually get the upmods too, which counters it.
[03:48:31] <Exaeta> But if I reply to a random comment on an old story, I just get a -1 offtopic :/
[03:48:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> it don't always happen for every comment but downmods don't happen for every comment either, so it balances out between 40 and 50 with you usually staying at 50.
[03:49:23] <Exaeta> Maybe it should be changed where karma is based on comment scores instead of mods.
[03:49:44] <Exaeta> Like a net promoter score
[03:50:01] <TheMightyBuzzard> karma ain't the site's value of you as a community member, it's just a tool to make sure folks contribute more than they troll
[03:51:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> accepted subs are worth three karma each by the way. lot of folks don't know that.
[03:51:16] <Exaeta> It needs tweaking, imo. Aristicraus is having a field day with the current system.
[03:52:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> only because it's got your drawers in a twist. ignore him and he'll get bored soon enough and go back to complaining about the eds not accepting his subs because they're alt-right sympathizers
[03:52:33] <Exaeta> lol
[03:52:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> he enjoys provoking a reaction, that's all he's doing it for.
[03:54:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> and like i said, 50 or 25 are the same as far as site code is concerned. ditto 0 and 24. negative karma is the only thing that actually costs you anything.
[03:55:22] <Exaeta> Yeah but getting 51% downmods and 49% upmods will eventually lead to a -50 karma or whatever
[03:56:34] <Exaeta> I would suggest switching it to a NPS style system. % comments net upvoted - % comments net downvoted is your Net Promoter Score i.e. karma, with some tweaks for giving out bad mods.
[03:56:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> sub one story a day, post two comments, and you're +1 for the day no matter how much he wants to downmod you.
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[03:57:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> and that's assuming nobody upmods you ever
[03:57:49] <Exaeta> It really depends on where I comment.
[03:58:10] <Exaeta> Aris somehow finds my comments no matter where I post them.
[03:58:38] <Exaeta> Nearly, anyway
[03:59:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> ain't that busy a site and he spends a lot of time on the place. one person disagreeing with his mod makes it wasted time on his part though.
[04:02:35] <chromas> Exaeta: Another way to get moar karmas is to sub stories
[04:03:12] * chromas didn't read I guess
[05:26:29] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Alleged "Snake Oil" Crypto Company Sues Over Boos at Black Hat - http://sylnt.us - what-the-factoring
[05:52:51] <Exaeta> Yeah maybe but there's so many that go up now I can't even read them all as is lol
[05:54:18] <chromas> Oh, nobody reads them. Someone reads a headline, subs the link; an editor gives it a time; people comment on the headline. No article reading required :)
[06:13:47] <TheMightyBuzzard> i read the headline. if that's interesting i read the summary. if that's interesting i read the comments. if they're interesting and the weather's too bad to go fishing i *might* read the article.
[06:29:42] <Exaeta> lol!
[07:48:16] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Federal Agency Turf War Over the 5.9 GHz Spectrum Could Hand 5G Victory to China - http://sylnt.us - "wave"-goodbye
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[10:06:45] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Phone Companies and State Attorneys General Join Forces to Fight Robocalls - http://sylnt.us - ANI-port-in-a-storm?
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[12:26:44] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - EU Officials Draft Plan to Take On Trump, China and US Tech - http://sylnt.us
[14:48:31] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - YouTube Banning Combat Robots, Mistaking Them for Animal Fights - http://sylnt.us - Rock-'Em-Sock-'Em-Robots
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[17:05:14] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - NASA Astronaut's Divorce Leads to Allegation of Criminal Wrongdoing in Space - http://sylnt.us - out-of-this-world!
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[17:34:43] <Sulla_> coffee++
[17:34:43] <Bender> karma - coffee: 4926
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[17:35:21] <janrinok> hi sulla
[17:35:37] <sulla> How is your ?morning?
[17:35:52] <janrinok> ...evening here - but good, how 'bout you?
[17:36:14] <sulla> Fine, fiscal year end so at work preparing audit papers
[17:36:38] <janrinok> hell I hate stuff like that. Fortunately, that is all in the past for me
[17:38:40] <sulla> Hah. Well its okay. In exchange for a few weeks of working 12 hour days I get an extra 7 vacation days a year and can work the month of June part time remote
[17:42:38] <sulla> I wonder what the tax ramifications would be for google changing from a platform to a publisher
[17:43:12] <sulla> I dont' tknow why i think there is a tax difference, as I think there is not
[18:08:07] <janrinok> beats me, I have enough problem trying to understand both the UK and French systems
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[19:27:00] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Neil Young on Sound Quality - http://sylnt.us - music-like-background-noises
[20:29:39] <AzumaHazuki> janrinok: I'm taking your advice and ramping up the posting rather than just downmodding. now let's see you put your money where your mouth is. call out people acting in bad faith
[20:30:02] <AzumaHazuki> we're long past the point where feigned neutrality in the interest of a professional demeanor wins anyone any internet points
[20:31:34] <FatPhil> I predicted you'd say that
[20:33:30] <sulla> and i predicted you predicted she would say that
[20:52:33] <sulla> Was the new Snow journal worth reading, or is it just a continuation in his quest to destroy his family?
[21:02:54] <AzumaHazuki> both, if you like dark humor
[21:03:08] <AzumaHazuki> i warned him over and over and over again. he refuses to listen. i feel so sorry for his wife and kids
[21:04:18] <AzumaHazuki> Hah. Cassandra syndrome strikes again. I should have been called Cassandra instead of Marissa.
[21:11:04] <sulla> I decided not to bother reading as it typically annoys me too much
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[21:12:11] <SoyCow2578> #submit https://www.tudelft.nl
[21:12:14] <MrPlow> Unable to find a summary for that page
[21:13:10] <SoyCow2578> doh
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[21:16:49] <AzumaHazuki> on the better side, woodwork progress. i got some poplar 1x4 S4S boards, buttjoined them together (no pocket joinery, ran outta screws) and just finished putting the second coat of high gloss black paint on them
[21:17:29] <AzumaHazuki> these will be the legs. i've got a length of 1x4 horizontally in each rectangle to stop them from wobbling. think i'll just get a nice plywood and some veneer edging rather than building a panel maybe
[21:19:27] <sulla> Nice
[21:20:22] <sulla> depending on your weight, you could probably get away with a 1/2in sheet of particle board (~10 bucks) and laminate it with vaneer
[21:20:33] <sulla> I have had to do that in the past with reasonable results
[21:21:24] <sulla> Have also had good luck with craiglist plywood
[21:21:43] <AzumaHazuki> am i just being a snob here by not wanting to use particle board?
[21:21:49] <sulla> no
[21:21:54] <sulla> not necessarily
[21:22:04] <AzumaHazuki> also my drill seems too powerful for the poor boards...one split a little >< so this is going to be a bit rustic
[21:22:23] <sulla> pre-drill when you can
[21:22:32] <sulla> Otherwise screws close to the edge will cause issues
[21:22:51] <sulla> I would only use particle board if I couldn't afford plywood, because sheets can be very expensive
[21:22:54] <AzumaHazuki> put it this way...i have had to improvise lack of clamps and, indeed, flat surfaces, by using packing tape to keep the boards as close to 90* as possible
[21:23:07] <AzumaHazuki> this is going to put the rough in rough-and-ready,
[21:23:19] <sulla> it happens. My saw isn't a perfect 90 and it drives me insane
[21:24:12] <sulla> Found this locally https://salem.craigslist.org
[21:24:13] <upstart> ^ 031/2" Hickory Plywood
[21:24:21] <sulla> very good price, super hard to find that cheap
[21:24:56] <AzumaHazuki> i'd feel better with a 1" surface...is it possible to bond two sheets of plywood face to face?
[21:25:18] <sulla> I don't see why not. you building a couch or a chair or what?
[21:25:59] <AzumaHazuki> desk
[21:26:12] <AzumaHazuki> i have zero furniture in this place
[21:26:44] <sulla> dimensions of the top?
[21:27:24] <AzumaHazuki> am thinking 48"x29"; my plan was a frame of 2x6s with a panel of 5 1x4s, which would leave a 1.5" gap in the back for cords and stuff
[21:30:28] <sulla> So you could build the top of the desk by taking a 4x8 sheet of OSB (oriented strand board), cutting it to get both sheets of 48x29 which would cost about 10 bucks. The ones here at least have a smooth and rough side, laminate rough sides together. use a border of 1x4 pine (two pieces should total like 8 bucks) to protect the edges of the strand board
[21:31:00] <sulla> then use some thick polyurethane on top
[21:32:46] <AzumaHazuki> doesn't OSB leak urea-formeldehyde though?
[21:33:42] <sulla> azumahazumi++
[21:33:42] <Bender> karma - azumahazumi: 1
[21:33:44] <sulla> had no idea about this
[21:33:45] <sulla> https://www.norbord.com
[21:33:46] <upstart> ^ 03Is OSB a Safe Building Material?
[21:33:55] <sulla> azumahazumi--
[21:33:55] <Bender> karma - azumahazumi: 0
[21:33:59] <sulla> azumahazuki++
[21:33:59] <Bender> karma - azumahazuki: 16
[21:34:48] <AzumaHazuki> hmm, this says it's not an issue...
[21:35:10] <AzumaHazuki> also don't get me (con)fused with my adoptive sister Hatsumi, LOL. Different people.
[21:37:01] <sulla> I have never smelled anything coming from it
[21:37:02] <sulla> https://www.youtube.com
[21:37:03] <upstart> ^ 03How to Get Shiny & Smooth OSB for Furniture
[21:37:07] <sulla> haven't watched yet, but looks pretty cool
[21:38:43] <sulla> As far as OSB strength goes, put it down in my attic so i can get around and not crawl on the rafters, I have caused one some damage by having all of the weight of my knee on one spot on a 12in wide section
[21:38:45] <sulla> but im a fatass
[21:38:55] <AzumaHazuki> ye gods, that is ugly
[21:39:18] <sulla> Use latex paint first to make it a flat homogenous surface?
[21:40:17] <AzumaHazuki> think i may just do 3/4" plywood on top of a rectangular 2x6 frame or something...or maybe get it cut to fit *in* the frame and pocket-join it in...?
[21:40:58] <sulla> I would put it on top, but thats just personal preference. 3/4 in will be expensive for plywood though
[21:41:03] <AzumaHazuki> yeah ><
[21:41:27] <sulla> I really think 1/2 or 9/16ths is totally fine
[21:41:49] <sulla> especially if it will just be on top
[21:41:57] <sulla> giving 1.5in of support in from each edge
[21:42:21] <sulla> you could do a 2x4 runner down the middle underneeth if you really wanted and you could stand on it
[21:43:24] <AzumaHazuki> yes, thinking something like that....2x6 frame with a piece down the middle, and just screw the plywood on top of it
[21:43:46] <sulla> 2x6 seems extreme, is 2x6 for asthetics?
[21:44:17] <AzumaHazuki> kind of. the legs are 1x4 in all dimensions, so i wanted them to have a wider top to screw into
[21:44:51] <AzumaHazuki> with a plywood top i could maybe get away with 1x6
[21:44:56] <sulla> For Sullas AC friend I made a computer deck. Desk is 8ft by 24in of 1/2 plywood
[21:45:05] <sulla> it has 2x4 surround
[21:45:13] <AzumaHazuki> nice
[21:45:14] <sulla> with 4x4s screwed into each corner
[21:45:20] <sulla> 2x4 down the center as extra support
[21:45:34] <sulla> has like three towers on it and four moniters and a pile of other shit cause he doesn't clean his room
[21:45:52] <sulla> desk could still hold more weight
[21:46:16] <sulla> total cost was ~40 bucks
[21:46:18] <AzumaHazuki> on a 1/2" plywood? that is amazing
[21:46:28] <sulla> it doesn't seem strong, but it is
[21:48:47] <Bender> [SoylentNews] - Deadly Superbug Outbreak in Humans Linked to Antibiotic Spike in Cows - http://sylnt.us - but-not-soycows
[21:52:03] <AzumaHazuki> hmm...the legs are 30" and i'm only 5'10". If a ply is that strong at 1/2" maybe I'll just skip all this overanalysis and go with it
[21:52:30] <sulla> I always overbuild things, so there is nothing wrong with that. but i know you are on a budget
[21:53:30] <AzumaHazuki> yeah, and these s4s's were $25, plus i had to buy all the idiot tools...am starting from zero here :/
[21:53:59] <AzumaHazuki> got a Kreg R3 jig set, a $50 Metabo corded drill (holy CRAP that thing is powerful...) and some PPE, dropcloths, paint, etc
[21:54:28] <sulla> no idea bout metabo. i'm hooked on the milwaukee for better or worse
[21:55:24] <AzumaHazuki> Hitachi
[21:55:37] <AzumaHazuki> a worker with sharp eyes and grey hair recommended it to me
[21:55:41] <sulla> As far as i know hitachi is good
[21:56:31] <sulla> been thinking about switching brands as ill only buy from the US, Europe, SK or Japan
[21:56:50] <AzumaHazuki> this thing feels like...well, coming from my old $30 battery-powered black and decker it's like going from rollerskates to a motorcycle
[21:56:59] <sulla> nice
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[22:09:51] <sulla> I need to find time to get working on my kitchen. I'm going to be building all the cabnetry for my kitchen in my playroom to lay everything out before I finalize it, to make sure the wife likes it. Then I have a spare kitchen while I replace the rotted rafters under my floor
[22:10:16] <sulla> you talking about doing woodworking is giving me the craving for working on my own
[22:10:33] <AzumaHazuki> i'm never going to be able to build anything except very basic, rough, cheap stuff
[22:10:43] <AzumaHazuki> but that's enough for me
[22:13:09] <sulla> I spend more time designing than I do building
[22:13:54] <sulla> Going to have to drive to buy that plywood i posted earlier, a lot of it, to make cabinets
[22:14:20] <sulla> which is gonna suck
[22:15:50] <sulla> I have several notebooks with all the designs for everything in the house, so when the house is passed down to whichever kid wants it, they know how things were built and why when modifications are necessary
[22:16:06] <AzumaHazuki> i have little money, no car, and am reliant on public transport and rare times off to get these things done. i also do not and at this rate will never own a home
[22:16:20] <AzumaHazuki> so all this stuff has to be both cheap and easy to disassemble into flat pieces
[22:16:37] <sulla> Is wise, original stuff i build was same way
[22:16:50] <sulla> I am working on a gaming table for DnD and call of Cthulhu and its very modular
[22:17:07] <sulla> Can be broken apart and turned into bookshelves when not in use
[22:17:16] <sulla> and made flat for easy transport
[22:17:42] <AzumaHazuki> we're communicating across a gap of 4 or 5 tax brackets, is what i mean
[22:18:18] <sulla> I wouldn't be so sure. If you are full time pharm tech you make twice what my wife does
[22:18:32] <AzumaHazuki> your wife makes only 10,000 a year?
[22:19:13] <sulla> You don't work for a very kind pharmacy, safeway out here pays 17/hour
[22:19:32] <AzumaHazuki> this is Erie, the town 30 years behind the rest of the northeast
[22:19:40] <AzumaHazuki> and i've been thrown back to ground zero, AGAIN.
[22:19:56] <sulla> Thats messed up
[22:20:11] <AzumaHazuki> 2 months in the womens' shelter. i finally got in here on the 15th
[22:20:40] <sulla> how much do appartments there cost?
[22:20:55] <sulla> i presume the low wages high appartment cost scam most towns have going?
[22:20:56] <AzumaHazuki> this one is a piece of crap but it's only 475 a month plus electric and internet
[22:21:30] <AzumaHazuki> it's 1/4 of one of those old depression-era houses that wouldn't sell for the price of its raw materials if offered but is tempting to cram poor fools like me into 4-8 deep
[22:22:04] <AzumaHazuki> Erie is a goddamn depressing place, especially if you go more than a mile or so from the city center. there are just under 100K people here
[22:22:41] <sulla> Makes sense. I was trying to buy a rental unit i lived at in alaska from the old owner who I used to rent from. Had 20 year tennants and was able to charge 600/month and include electricity, internet, and tv
[22:22:57] <sulla> wanted to keep it running because everyone who lived there was cool and i knew everywhere else was double that
[22:23:04] <sulla> didn't work out though
[22:23:33] <AzumaHazuki> my plan is to get PTCB certified like yesterday and hopefully get hired by St. Vincent, UPMC Hamot, Mill Creek, or the VA Hospital
[22:23:48] <AzumaHazuki> but i know what's coming. i know i probably only have a short time left to live...
[22:23:49] <sulla> I have heard that the VA is good to work for
[22:25:31] <sulla> the permonitions?
[22:26:16] <AzumaHazuki> it's not so much "Hi, I'm a psychic vision, this is what's going to happen and you can't fight fate!" so much as "I've seen what happens under these conditions before"
[22:27:09] <sulla> Employer being a shitshow again?
[22:27:12] <AzumaHazuki> plus, i'm all out of the will to live. i'm out here in Erie because of that (now ex-) friend of mind, the trafficking survivor. when all of us at the Wisconsin hospital lost our jobs she offered to rent a room to me here
[22:27:29] <AzumaHazuki> she turned out to be dangerous, manipulative, violent, and utterly crazed with c-PTSD
[22:27:48] <sulla> Oh joy
[22:28:00] <AzumaHazuki> after having my first paycheck coerced out of me and then yelled at for an hour about how I'm no better than any pimp or john who ever abused her (WTF) I just packed back up and went to the shelter
[22:28:11] <AzumaHazuki> oh, there was some hitting too. not done by me
[22:28:27] <FatPhil> baseball bats, or no?
[22:28:28] <AzumaHazuki> and a threat that if i ever called the cops she'd lie and say it was self-defense, and who are they going to believe, the younger lady or the old one
[22:28:35] <FatPhil> morning everyone
[22:28:56] <sulla> Morning FatPhil
[22:29:01] <AzumaHazuki> so yeah, 5 years of fucking bankrupting myself trying to help this woman and her poor elderly husband, and THIS is what happens to me
[22:29:30] <AzumaHazuki> no good deed goes unpunished and the better it is and the longer you do it the worst the spanking is. and it's not the fun kind with a pretty brunette in black lace
[22:30:12] <sulla> Thats awful. I so far have not been punished for my various good deeds, but it is no doubt coming
[22:30:43] <AzumaHazuki> not likely. you're wealthy, or at least comfortable. Mammon is the God of this country and poverty is both sin and Hell
[22:32:03] <FatPhil> because sin deserves hell. download my video explaining this at prageru.cunt
[22:32:16] <sulla> hah
[22:32:32] <AzumaHazuki> if things ever go utterly to shit, if the grocery stores are empty and people are killing one another for bread, i am committing suicide. i have the knowledge and means to do it painlessly, if slowly, thanks to all this pharmacology study
[22:32:46] <AzumaHazuki> so long as i'm not interrupted for 8-12 hours, i'll just fall asleep and never wake up
[22:33:00] <sulla> Just get on Benzos and nothing will matter. Its the cure for everything
[22:33:16] <AzumaHazuki> except benzo withdrawal
[22:33:23] <AzumaHazuki> watchu doo then ese?
[22:33:25] <sulla> Thats what more benzos are for
[22:33:30] <FatPhil> bozodiazepam
[22:33:46] * AzumaHazuki is...alarmed...at the number of opioid and benzo scripts she fills
[22:33:53] <sulla> it is very disturbing
[22:33:54] <FatPhil> s/bozo/bezo/ ?
[22:34:26] <sulla> People calling 15 days before a refill, complaining they are out, month after month
[22:35:11] <AzumaHazuki> yyyyup
[22:35:55] <AzumaHazuki> and we get a few who get...loud...with us when it's explained that 1) we can't fill before the effective date, 2) no, not even if you pay cash, and 3) keep this up and law enforcement will hear about it
[22:37:05] <sulla> Yeah. My wife is always going on about that. I'll occasionally get a call at the girls at the pharmacy need me to come down to the pharmacy and help them close up as there is a person hanging around and they want to avoid calling the police
[22:37:32] <sulla> get a call from the girls at*
[22:37:36] <sulla> words how do they work
[22:37:43] <AzumaHazuki> we had one woman come to pick up her script who had to be booted because she was freaking shooting up right there in the motherloving waiting alcove...
[22:37:59] <sulla> horrible
[22:38:05] <FatPhil> I remember the days when "drugs" were one thing, but "drugs" were completely different.
[22:38:51] <AzumaHazuki> we have half our kids on what's basically legalized speed and a bunch of adults hooked on oxys, but weed is still schedule 1...
[22:39:19] <FatPhil> :(
[22:39:20] <sulla> No money in pot
[22:39:40] <FatPhil> except when there is, and then it will take off, and not in a good way
[22:39:50] <sulla> Oregon is fully legal
[22:40:04] <sulla> But now they are making pot more legal than tobacco, and thats makin me mad
[22:40:34] <chromas> Get rich in the black market cigar industry
[22:40:51] <FatPhil> vapeing has put back nicotine addiction reduction by two decades, say some (figures available on googooing)
[22:41:31] <sulla> I do grow my own
[22:41:36] <sulla> oregon has great soil
[22:47:14] <sulla> its 4pm already, been working unpaid overtime for 9 hours now, another four or five to go
[22:47:34] <FatPhil> 01:50 here
[22:48:35] <FatPhil> not sure if more beer is required, or something stronger
[22:50:31] <sulla> Unfortuantely down here in oregon drinking on the job isn't allowed
[22:50:37] <sulla> I miss alaska
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